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- Should you use Sim Com? Why would you need to use it? Let's talk about it!
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I loved the Sim com! I use sign with people who can't speak but can hear. It helps get them excited about communicating to see hearing people sign. Many speech therapist want non verbal clients to use a computer to speak not their hands. But you always have your hands, they don't run out of power or break down!
qeroses That is a good point lol! I never thought of that reason for using Sim Com. Interesting.
Yes. I'm learning and teaching my daughter ASL. She has down syndrome and can't speak well. I use sim com around the house so she can learn the signs. It also helps me remember them. She has an AAC program but doesn't use it. She doesn't carry it with her everywhere. Also it's dificult for her to locate the words she wants to use. Her speech therapist.is not in support of her using sign. She wants her to use AAC instead. she would rather use her hands because she has then on her at all times and as long as she knows the sign she doesn't have to search for it on the iPad before communicating it to us like with AAC.
I think Sim Com has it's time and place but I rarely use it. As I come to the end of my ASL 4 class I have gotten more used to ASL grammar and I find it hard sometimes to remember signs in an English word order. ASL is very expressive and I'd rather do it properly than use Sim Com.
I think sim com is gr8 if you are hearing and wanna learn asl signs quicker.
TheOpenGrave not really .. it’ll hinder your acquisition of ASL because hen you simcom you will use English syntax.
@@Bfolks84 Youre not understanding me. If youre hearing and wanna learb asl signs. Sim com is perfect for that. I wasnt talking about asl as a second language. Just the signs.
TheOpenGrave I get what you’re saying... but it’s a little bit like saying “ if your French and want to learn English words... not as a second language just words.” If you’re going to learn vocabulary u might as well learn grammar and language as well.
@@Bfolks84 Well ofcourse. But in the beginning...learning a new language is very difficult. Just like any language you learn...ypu start just learning some words...then eventually move on to sentences, etc. Its no different with asl.
@marceloardz When using Sim Com you typically follow English word order because you are signing what you are speaking which is English. That is why it is not always as clear to the person watching the signing.
Thank you for explaining what sim-com means. I want to say, not to you, but in general. I think It's so sad that people always make a big deal out of little things. It shouldn't matter who's for or against it. What we need to learn to do is, to respect and accept what other people choose to do. That's it.
Makes total sense. 😊
I am HOH and always use simcom. If it’s what you’re comfortable doing. Then do it. You can’t please everyone and if they are offended. Then 🤷🏼 there at LOT more things to be offended over 🙄. People need to understand. The world doesn’t revolve around them.
I was learning ASL and found that if the person could sign the ASL word and voice it at the same time, I was able to memorize the sign easier and what it meant without any English grammar. That's basically how I learned English. I built a vocabulary and eventually got the grammar. After I moved, my new deaf friends became very emphatic about never "speaking" a sign. So sad! After the 6 years I put into ASL, I wasn't learning anymore, and lost my enthusiasm. Am I an anomaly? As you can see, my English is still pretty decent and so is my Spanish. That’s not the case with signing.
Thanks so much for talking about this. As a "terp" I've often been confronted with this dilemma. I honestly had no clue what it was called or even the sign for it!! Thanks:)
I am Deaf and use SimCom a lot. Why? My family and most of my friends are non-signing hearing people. If I want to sign around them, I have to voice as well. When I'm with Deaf friends, I am able to use ASL without SimCom. I'm not a fan of Simcom-ing myself, its difficult, I much rather use voice only or sign only, but there are times when I have no choice but to SimCom.
shelbykathleen11 Yeah I understand that. I do that too if I'm with Jenna and her hearing family sometimes.
Thanks Jill,
I only sim Con when I have a public speech and feel like need to support myself a little more deeply than what language level my interpreters use. Anyways till working on the speaking for myself but this is a good tool.
thanks
miller lena Ah I didn't think of that before.
My interpreters we do it. So how it works is my hand is over their hand so while there are talking to either my doctors or my nurses they’re signing while they are talking to them. So I will know what’s going on steel through tactile sign language. Or if it’s just the interpreter want to ask the doctor or the nurse their own question. My hand will still be over the interpreters hand so I can still know what the interpreter is asking the doctor or nurse for themselves. So I think doing voice and signing is good in this situation..
Yes, I'm sure it's a different situation when doing tactile sign language.
To be honest, for a long time, I didn’t even know that the term “sim com” existed. My grandparents are deaf, and their children (my dad and uncles) are hearing. So it is very commonplace for all of us in the family to talk and sign simultaneously, or even just switch back and forth between speaking English or silently signing. It depended on who you were talking to. Plus, ASL is very handy for us to communicate at long distances, or over loud noises. And funny stories seem twice as funny when retold through ASL. 😆 Language should bring people together, not drive them apart.
hi Jill just wanted to say that i love sim com it really helps me with my signing.i know its not true ASL but it really helps me as far as what signs to use for what words and helps me to learn new words. i Know that ASL is in a whole different order as far as putting together a sentences but sim com really helps me to learn easier.i can understand your signing.Its great! Love you guys !Please keep making your videos.hopefully by next year i will be able to understand both of you without captions or voice over. Thanks again !!
+Julie Martinez Yes practice makes perfect! Thank you so much for watching. If Sim Com helps you and works then that's fine. Do what works best for you. Over time you can transition to ASL. Good luck! You will do great :)
If you can you should
Hi Jill! Love your videos! I am on my way to become an interpreter. But I am still confused on how ASL sentence structure works. Can you please make a video explaining the basics and rules on how ASL sentence structure works? Thanks 😊
Sarah R Well I am not a great person for grammar but I will add it to the list!
Thanks for the video!! It definitely answered some of the questions I had about Sim Com, however I was wondering if you would use PSE or Spoken English grammar instead of ASL grammar when using Sim Com? I'm asking because speaking English and Signing with ASL grammar sounds complicated.
You're absolutely gorgeous! 😊 and I love all your videos. I'm still learning asl but want to be fluent. Could you teach how to sign welcome back? So many people have told me different things and I want to be sure! Thank you!
Lauren Thompson Wow thank you! I have added that to the list already. Will do it soon. :)
Thank you!
Please keep doing what you're doing. I liked it when you were doing Simcom. or you can do the voice over because I am HOH it helps.
[Jill] We don't do Sim Com anymore due to a change in belief, but we have all avenues of accessibility so everyone can understand. :)
I sign Sim Com with my mother/ father in law because they find lip reading helpful because I mostly sign PSE and they were raised with ASL. I have been trying to get more into signing ASL but I am so used to PSE that I find I am always messing up my grammar! I'm sure I'll get there eventually, but for now it's Sim Com for me!
Haters always hate.
I use SYMCOM because I am still learning ASL. But when I am done I may not as much but most of my family. So we use it for that too because they can't see what signed. And my daughter is nt fluent. In the autism Community that is also common to use as well. And I am free. Deaf blind autistic. I can both here and song. Which complicates things just a little bit. For others, not me. I understand, but hard for me to explain others. o
+LaVonnya Gardner Ah that is interesting. I never thought of that.
I'm learning ASL, I'm hearing. I usually have to mouth the word to make it clear to my classmates. When I'm translating word for word English, I sing along because it's usually a song lol. I think it's ok to use, as long as your intended audience understands. Bilingual people switch between languages Mid-sentence sometimes, I don't see how this is different. Idk, maybe I'm just not getting it.
[Jill] I think the main point is that SIM Com is using two languages at once. When you do this, it degrades both languages and communication is not as clear. The best way to communicate is using one language at a time. Switching language mid sentence is a different concept. It is very hard to compare to two spoken languages at the same time because that is physically impossible. I don't mean switching, but actually speaking two languages at the same time. Hope that makes sense.
Rogan Shannon made a good point which I think is why many people sim-com. You're using two different modalitites, one is hands, and the other's voice. However, if you're using your first language as a crutch, you won't improve and people won't understand you as clearly.
I grew up doing this. My mother was Deaf and my father was hearing. While signing, I would speak, but only enough to make sure I was understood by my father. My voice kind of shifted to the point that I sounded as if i was deaf. Dropping part of the word. I spoke and signed in ASL. I didn't follow English structure. As years went by and I began to sign with more people , other then my mother and father. I grew to realize just how difficult this was. I much prefer to sign, without speaking. It take a lot to focus for this way of communicating.
+pixiedust8587 Yes I have noticed that every once and a while I have a "deaf" sounding voice if I'm not talking all the way. Yes it is much easier to sign only.
I am not personally deaf but my cousin is. Most of my family know very little sign language with the exception of his parents. When I am communicating with him I speak while signing because it helps me keep track and I honestly don't think I could sign without talking too. On the flip side, my aunt and uncle will exclusively sign and not talk at the same time. In turn, leaving the rest of my family out of their conversation. I would like to get to the point where I do not need to talk and have the correct grammar. but if I am around non-deaf people I will likely use both.
yesterday I toured a college that is a great college for sign language and deaf studies. While I was communicating with many deaf people, my dad was standing there awkwardly because he doesn't know any sign language, so I started to kind of talk and sign, and interpret what others said, to allow him to understand, but after I started doing this, a few of the kids in the interpreter program began to use sim com as well. But I noticed two of the students in the interpreter program managed to use asl grammar, while the others signed more in pse. Anyways, I just thought I would share this with you since it just happened and it relates to your video, thanks for the video. I wasn't aware that a lot of people are strongly against it.
langdon gund Yeah everyone is different and uses different modes of communication. I think you making your Dad feel included is great! Yeah it is controversial topic in some areas.
+langdon gund This sounds awesome! May I ask what college it was? I am interested...
As someone who is still learning sign...I don't really like to mix even though some of my classmates do, because I find it hard enough as it is to learn the grammar of Austrian sign language, and I don't want to get confused...all though I can see how there is a time and a place for it.
nowisgood4me Yes I think if you are focusing on grammar and still learning it is best to keep your languages separate. It confuses me too.
I don’t care for simcom.. cuz I’m really bad at it and usually both languages suffer when I do it... but I do use it mostly in these two instances : 1. Im with other interpreters and we are socializing many times we’ll go into simcom. 2. Or when I’m hanging with my dear friend who grew up oral but at 16 learned sign language. He simcoms and prefers English word order with lots of mouthing cuz he reads lips.... on another note... when your around interpreters we actually start to use ASLnglish * me finding something after looking for a bit* interpreter “ oh PAW-FIND?” Haha... or “ you’re such a CHAW HEAD”.
Thank is true (about the both languages suffering). It does have it's times and places for use.
One thing I've heard of people using, kind of like 'extreme Sim Com', is key word signing. So you might say "Let's go to school now" and sign SCHOOL NOW or GO SCHOOL or maybe even just SCHOOL. It's more often used with hearing kids learning ASL as a supplement (baby signing or to help with a disability). I know Deaf purists probably would hate this, and I can see how a fluent signer wouldn't like it because it's hard to get the message from a few key words, but it's really nice for a beginner who is better in speech than sign.
I would suggest that you do not learn by Sim Com. I think that it can be confusing. I wouldn't suggest this. But if it works for someone then that's what they should do. Everyone is different.
I want to be an ASL Interpreter but I definitely cannot sign in ASL and speak in English at the same time. Is simcom something you need to be able to do to be an amazing interpreter?
No, it's actually hard to do SimCom well.
@@TheStews So SimComming is not required to be able to do to be an interpreter and you can still be a great interpreter without being able to simcom?
I interpret for a couple of my deaf coworkers at my job. I prefer to not use sim com because i find it easier to just use the one language, however when I ama talking with a hearing and a deaf coworker at the same time, or chatting with hearing coworkers in front of my deaf coworkers I do tend to use sim com for easy of conversation and speed.
Is simultaneous interpreting different than using simcom to interpret. I've watched your video on the difference between simultaneous and consecutive interpreting.
Yes it is. Simultaneous interpreting means that someone else is signing OR speaking and then the interpreter interprets into the other while that person is signing or speaking. SimCom is when a person is signing and speaking at the same time. SimCom is a mode of communication, not a style of interpreting.
I believe I use it a little bit. I am currently in an ASL 3 class and whatever I or my classmates talk to each other in spoken lanaguage, we also sign as well so oir deaf teacher (in which I love having one btw) in included in the conversation if he wanted to give some input.
As a hearing person, I would rather teach my future children sign language at first (if they are hearing) and then have them learn English as a second langauge. I believe communication is key and the benefits of sign language, as we all know, uses gestures and easier to understand if you learn sign language.
If I had a deaf child, having some knowledge of ASL would prove to be useful and I would already be prepared to have a way to communicate with my future children :)
Yes it's important when teaching children language, you don't mix (or try not to) cause I've heard that it can be confusing and delay language development (but I'm not a professor or researcher so take that with a grain of salt).
I recently discovered this a bit ago because I was thinking: what if one were to be speaking one thing and signing another? It could theoretically double your communication output, though It would leave out deaf people, this is true. I picture it as being reading something whilst talking on the phone. Theres a potential for huge ratio of time-to data output.
+OsyenVyeter Unfortunately languages do not work that way. It is impossible (as far as I know) to have two languages at the same time and be accurate.
I don't know if it was already commented, but in Switched at Birth, I think (not sure) that Daphne often uses SimCom with hearing people. Is that a good example? It seems like she sings differently with Deaf people vs hearing but since I'm new maybe I'm getting it wrong. Is that a true example? Just trying to learn to differentiate.
+Kristen Sconce I'm not big on that show but I'm sure it is. Because English and ASL grammar are different and they are different languages you will most likely notice a difference in how a person signs when they Sim Com and when they don't yes.
When I'm signing in class I don't use SimCom but I sometimes do end up mouthing the word I'm signing and my teachers yells at me for it.
I'm sorry to hear that. Try practicing more by yourself without mouthing the words. It will become more intuitive in time. :)
Your teacher is an ass.
Ahhhhhhh so -that- is what SimCom is! Thank you for explaining it ...
I am Deaf myself, (Deaf parents, and a Deaf daughter)... However, I find myself using SimCom (now there's a name for whatever the heck I was using lol) when talking to my hearie hubby (basically I talk like a nagging fish wife and he's mostly used to my speech enough to pretend to ignore me :D oh does Jenna gets frustrated if you acknowledge her by nodding but don't look directly at her when she's talking to you?) - or to hearing mates ...
But when I'm around Deafies - I just use Auslan (Australian SL.... Australian version of ASL lol)...
Thing is - my brain just can't help but switched onto the English mode when talking to hearies and Auslan mode when talking to Deafies.
I can't seem to talk to hearies in Auslan for some reason. I'm kinda curious if anyone feel this way or I'm forever weird (and proud of it, naturally).
Love your & Jenna's videos!
+Tina Merraine Well I don't think I tend to nod without looking at Jenna. So no frustration there. Never had an issue with hearing people either I don't think. I find that what style of sign language I use really depends on the person. If the person is a ASL user and no talking then I will match. If they Sim Com then I guess it depends. Sometimes I will Sim Com with Jenna at home just because I want to talk. Weird thing but sometimes I just want that vocal sensation. Other times I just sign. THANKS!
Is sim com like PSE?
Often when you Sim Com, you use PSE style.
No one can tell you Sim Com is wrong. I mean, these are your (your and your wive's) videos, no one can tell you what to do with your contents. Of course you can (and you should) take into consideration your audience preferences. If you notice a lot of people commenting asking you for voicing-over instead of Sim Com you may opt for it, but you don't have to. Personally, I don't know how you can sign strictly in ASL while speaking without falling into Signed English. I manage to do so for 2 sentences, then I fall into signing in Signed Italian (I'm Italian) 😅 by the way, I really like your videos ❤️
That is true. I can't tell anyone what to do. You cannot sign strictly ASL and speak in English (I've heard of 1 or 2 people do it, but never seen it myself). Using two languages with different grammar at the same time is not gonna work. So happy you like the videos!
what sign are you using at 0:37 is that the sign for popular???
+Ben Simon yes POPULAR
+ASL Stew Thank you i try to improve my signing everyday day. And i sign SIMCOM sometimes to people who cant sign just so i get practice. Instead of talking to myself i even sign to myself. Is that good practice??
+Ben Simon Yes that is good practice get more comfortable with signing and just to help remember signs (doesn't help grammar but i'm sure you know that lol). :)
+ASL Stew i took 4 asl classes in college trust me i know the grammar lol? I had a Deaf teacher that anytime saw us sign English she would walk up and say vocally and sign "ENGLISH ENGLISH." Not going to lie it scared me. So trust me i know thr grammer. Now that i look back on her teacher even though she was a ball buster she was and is a good teacher and she is a lesbian like you and your wife and i am gay. GO GAY ASL.
+Ben Simon HAHA yay gay ASL! I'm glad to hear you had such a great (while scary) teacher. :)
I talk and sign when I am with my boyfriend and when I am with my boyfriend and his family I have to sign well I am talking with his family so he know what I am saying
+tanya quinton I do that with Jenna's family too sometimes.
UCK...just do what you want to do. It is your life do what works for you.
PEOPLE AGAINST SIM COM please comment on this we all understand that it’s not a real language just like here in the Bay Area there’s “Spanglish”(I know dumb street term) where you start a sentence in English and incorporate Spanish words: “hey a donde vas i was waiting for you para que vengas a las movies” it’s just so many people are Spanish speakers it’s the most normal thing that’s how I see sim com you feel comfortable with both languages so you use them at the same time I just can’t see how that’s offensive in any way we’re not saying it is asl we’re sayin we’re more comfortable with it
I started learning asl by chance in college and ended up loving it I didn’t have the funds to keep going but loved it so much I kept learning new signs and practicing but I realized that because it had made it easier for me to hear and see the sign I was learning sim com not asl and I didn’t mind because at the end of the day I just wanted to be able to communicate with this wonderful community that I hadn’t had the chance to even learn about until after high school and now watching these videos of deaf people judging/shaming even another deaf person for using it really makes me want to stop trying
Well, first the comparison is not the same. In Spanglish you are switching between two languages. First speaking English, and then Spanish (or vice versa) even if just one word at a time. You cannot physically speak both at the same time. SIM COM is trying to do two languages with different grammar and many other aspects physically at the same time. By doing this, you are degrading both languages and making it harder to understand. Hopefully that makes sense. There are times when it can be appropriate, but in general it is better to stick to one language at a time.
ASL Stew you’re right that wasn’t the best example but I can you tell me how it’s degrading or hard to understand if that’s how you read books too, again I’m not trying to offend its honest questions
If a Deaf/HH person elects to SimCom, then that is absolutely their choice. I prefer to only sign, never voice around Deaf people, RARELY SimCom and never for any length of time. It's a personal decision. I think that when hearing people SimCom it's a disservice to sign language. You can't preserve the structure or essence of ASL if you SimCom. Not to mention, when I watch videos of people SimCom-ing I sometimes find it very difficult to follow if I don't have the volume on. Now imagine how it is for Deaf people.
More often than not it is interpreters who I see SimCom-ing among themselves and I just don't get it I guess. ASL is so much easier to me, more beautiful, more concise, and more considerate for Deaf people in the vicinity. But again, it's each person's choice.
[Jenna] Some people has hard time letting go of English sometimes.
I am not a fan of Sim Com. I am Hard of Hearing myself, I despite Sim Com because it's somewhat a insult to the true language of American Sign Language. If you're going to sign then ASL and if you're going to speak then English or other spoken language but separately!
Yes that is what is normally the best choice but there are times that SimCom is the best method to make sure everyone gets access to "somewhat" of a language (I understand SimCom is not a full language).
As long as it is understood that Sim Com is not a language at all. :P Sim Com is like speaking English and French at same time, can you? Absolutely not. That's the same way with Sim Com. ASL and one spoken language? Very rarely that anybody can do so. I am fluent in Sim Com but after learning about sim com more depth I try to avoid sim com as much as I possibly can out of respect for ASL itself. Even though ASL is not my primary language because when I was born (born hard of hearing, actually might as well say Deaf because I only have about 10-15% in my right ear), only class there were available was SEE and I had no choice but learn SEE and raised with SEE until I do more research to learn that SEE is not a language either while ASL is so took me a great while to convert from SEE to ASL signer.
Yes doing one language at a time is always best if possible.
PEOPLE AGAINST SIM COM please comment on this we all understand that it’s not a real language just like here in the Bay Area there’s “Spanglish”(I know dumb street term) where you start a sentence in English and incorporate Spanish words: “hey a donde vas i was waiting for you para que vengas a las movies” it’s just so many people are Spanish speakers it’s the most normal thing that’s how I see sim com you feel comfortable with both languages so you use them at the same time I just can’t see how that’s offensive in any way we’re not saying it is asl we’re sayin we’re more comfortable with it
I started learning asl by chance in college and ended up loving it I didn’t have the funds to keep going but loved it so much I kept learning new signs and practicing but I realized that because it had made it easier for me to hear and see the sign I was learning sim com not asl and I didn’t mind because at the end of the day I just wanted to be able to communicate with this wonderful community that I hadn’t had the chance to even learn about until after high school and now watching these videos of deaf people judging/shaming even another deaf person for using it really makes me want to stop trying