After the Question about MDX fuel consomption and alternatives: i own a Mazda CX90 Signature with HO 6 cyl. Since december. I drive about 450 km during week ends going at Le Massif ski station in the mountains of Charlevoix Quebec. My average fuel consomption for those trip is an amazing 7.8 l/100 km including those mountain climbing (doing that effortlessly downshifting only 1 or 2 gears and staying below 2500 rpm. Thanks to that relatively big 6 cyl with lots of torque). Even got as low as 7.1 l/100 km on the way back home. That’s at cruising speed of 116-118 km/h on the highway, in Quebec winter. Car computer gives me a global average of 9,1 l/100 k since I own the car. Nice surprise as it beats EPA numbers!
Andrea & Zack's driveway is amazing! You can see some of their guest house out the passenger-side window. Their main house is epic! Kids, forget about college. Ask your parents for AV gear.
I reside in the US. Not only the cost of EV cars are much higher, but so is the insurance. I looked into the 2024 BMW iX M60. The annual insurance was about $5,600 vs. the 2024 BMW X7 M60i at $2,900. The insurance for the 2024 BMW i7 is about $10,000 vs. the 2024 BMW 760i xDrive is about $3,900. Not to mention, in the US, we have numerous power outages that prevent those with electric cars from charging their cars at home. Electric companies like PG&E or Edison have increased the household rates by about 32%, which the cost of charging an EV car is almost as if you are spending over $3 dollars per gallon for a gas car. A friend of mine needed to change the battery for his 2015 Tesla. The cost was about $25,000 plus an additional $5,000 for California environmental fee. Overall cost of battery replacement was more than the value of the car. He donated the car and he said he will never get an EV car again. Mercedes, BMW, Audi, and Porsche to name a few have well over hundreds of thousands of brand-new 2023 or 2024 EV inventories that they can't push out. Porsche Tycan is one the most expensive EV cars and you can find thousands of 2023, 2022, or 2021 for sale for less than $70K. Ford dealers have thousands of EV cars and they are not even getting help from the manufacturer. GM CEO wrote to the Biden administration that they can't sell EV cars and it has cost the company about 1 billion dollar loss. More and more people are walking away from EV cars.
recently started watching this channel and really like it that the information shared is tailored for Canadian buyers such as the specific trims available here vs US. Love the show
Most of the time, it's never about savings. Most just want a newer vehicle. It is mostly more emotional than logical. Else, everyone will be keeping their cars for decades.
While I agree with that in the sense that it’s impractical to spend $ on a new car to save on gas vs just driving the existing one, sometimes folks priorities change like in our case, downsizing from 7-passenger to a 2 row. Our priority was not to get better fuel economy but rather practicality. It just so happened the new car we got was more fuel efficient than our 3-row SUV which was a bonus. Also, sold the 3-row for great price therefore, new SUV considered just an upgrade!
I have owned a CX-90 PHEV since September 2023 and I am getting pretty much the estimated fuel consumption, perhaps a little better, at just above 4L/100km (58mpg). That said, most of my trips are short ones in the city, I plug the car in whenever possible, and certainly every night. If you were doing longer trips regularly or aren't diligent about plugging it in that of course will make a big difference but for me, so far so good.
Regarding EV charge loss while parked up, my Model Y sat undriven and unplugged for five weeks last fall, with sentry mode off and cabin overheat protection on. It started at about 65% and went down to about 60%. No issues.
Finally someone asked about the fuel economy of the Acura MDX 2022 + model years. Reddit has a lot of disappointed owners due to that. But I did see some comments from people that after the engine break in the fuel economy improved for them.
I bought a 2023 kia forte Gt line, While waiting for service i looked at all the new cars interior (Sportage, Niro, sorento,ev9,ev6,etc) all had the long single panel duel screen. My car was the only one with a non digital guage cluster and separate screen. I’m glad it stands out from the rest. I have many tactical buttons!
I got the new Audi A3 just cause it has real buttons aswell!, it still have a digital cluster, but physical buttons on steering wheel and under infotainment system. Feels luxery after driving other cars where I have to stop, to go thru menus to find heat.
Buying a new car is an expensive way to save money at the pump. Absolutely............. but our new Rav 4 Prime is on the way to replace our Prius. We do want more ground clearance and the chance to try electric driving, so those were our justifications. Another great show.
I have a 2014 ram 1500 that I bought brand new. It has a good 8.4-in screen and a good addition of buttons. In fact, the screen has some redundant buttons as well. I think uconnect is the best I've tried in any of these vehicles. We also just bought a Subaru Outback touring XT. Very big screen, but minimal buttons and I think personally, the interface is pretty crappy and sometimes slow.
Really good episode. I have heard of "Vampire Drain" being an issue with some EV's, (Rivians). The owners manual should have some suggestions for storing the EV for a month or more. Harley Davidson for example suggests leaving the LiveWire's battery between 30% and 70% and mine has been siting in the shed since December 5th and the battery hasn't moved from the 69% it had when I parked it.
Zack said that you're not going to get good fuel economy with the 300 hp MDX. My 2017 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid with the 304 hp V6 gets 27 mpg in the city and 33 mpg on the highway. Acura definitely dropped the ball by dropping the MDX Sport Hybrid too soon. I love the MDX Sport Hybrid, no problems with over 7 years of use.
I can’t wait for this (EURO NCAP) if it means HVAC hard buttons, manually controlled HVAC vents, turn signal stalk, and an actual MID (instrument cluster)!!!!!!! I’m talking about you Tesla Model 3/Y. And a bunch of others to lesser degrees. I’d buy a Model Y tomorrow if it had proper controls. I’d even be willing to pay an extra few thousand dollars if their current design minimalism is actually saving then money.
It seems to me that EVs are doing the same sales/price curve that gasoline cars went through at their introduction over 100 years ago. Automobiles started off as a plaything for the rich, useability was in question ("Get yourself a horse!"), manufacturers spring up everywhere, lower priced models are introduced for the masses, prices drop precipitously (the Model T went from from $780 in 1910 to $290 in 1924 -- the same car 14 years later was almost 1/3 the price), many many manufacturers were either acquired or went bankrupt eventually leading to the "Big 3" dominating the industry. Now that EVs are apparently repeating this cycle I think we can confidently say "I've seen this movie before".
😆 Zack call you manic! Well I am not sure about that. 😂 Anyway, thanks for answering my question and both of you made an interesting point about future price of EV. Great show Andrea! 👍🏻👍🏻☕️☕️
The availability of sedans may diminish but I don’t think they’ll go away. They’ll just be more exclusive. Sedans, assuming the same drivetrain, are more efficient and have lower emissions by a 12 to 15% margin, due to less weight, better aerodynamics.
On a Tesla model S, if you are constantly checking on it with your cell phone app, and/or you leave sentry mode on, you can see significant drain. My brother had this happen. But it didn’t completely drain.
Tesla is just about to release a software update, over the air, that will significantly reduce the battery use in Sentry mode, should be out very very soon...
Would your MDX answer change with the 2025 refresh that supposedly fixes the interior issues? I have heard Acura's are not selling well so you could likely offset any gas cost savings with a lower price for the MDX (still higher than the CX-90 and Highlander Hybrid though).
Congrats on #70! Folks who get well under EPA must have an iron foot or drive city only in stop and go traffic because I drive faster than the average person and I always get above the estimated EPA. In the winter time in my Integra Type S I always drive it in individual mode with everything sport+ besides suspension and I’m averaging around 8.5 L / 100Km which is close to the highway EPA #’s in the best weather conditions.
I am snow birding with my EV (Ioniq 5) plugged in back home. I set it for 70%. Why? To keep the 12V battery charged. The High voltage battery charges the 12V battery so best to keep it plugged in for extended time periods. I've been gone for 5 months so far with no issues ... other than the app times out after 4 consecutive days. Edit: this is the 3rd year I've done this with an EV.
The government wanted to incentivize EV adoption to help the environment, which is fine. There is actually an income limit and a cost limit for the car ($55k, ~7.5k higher than the average new car), so it's not exactly highest incomes here. The kicker is that the requirements on what cars qualify keeps jobs here and brings more for the batteries as well. The reality of it is that until there's more adoption, it won't get noticeably cheaper, so may as well get middle class people in and drop prices overall while making more NA jobs.
Congrats on 70th episode......come on people...there are stealth Canadian Camper guys with 1.39M subs...click like and subscribe!!!! Watching from Raleigh, NC every week!
Way too logical for many people to process. Akio Toyoda suggested the materials required for one EV battery could be used to produce eight plug-in hybrid batteries. Then there’s the charging stations issue. PHEVs, don’t need them, a normal household outlet works fine. The EPA compare side-by-side website says my PHEV emits on average 99 grams per mile, 30% of the harmful tailpipe emissions coming from the average 2024 ICE only auto, 319 grams per mile.
Agree with both of you re: pickup truck. Biased because my 23 Silverado has the 3.0 Duramax. At the time it was like $750 over the 5.3 but the $195 block heater comes standard. Can't beat the fuel economy I just topped up yesterday and it showed a range of 980 kms, for some reason I can never get it past 999. Diesel has come down to $1.56 in Muskoka. As for reliability my truck is 13 months old with zero issues, my 17 Sierra had zero issues as well.
When Zack said, "I'm going to my old line that I love to use" I expected "Buy what you want!", but no. Hot off the press: an interesting accessory will be available for the 2025 Volvo EC40 and EX40 (formerly C40 and XC40 Recharge): an electronic rear-view mirror with the camera integrated in the shark fin on the roof. Moreover, it will available for earlier years of those two models as well. It will be especially useful for the C40, which Zack has criticized more than once for the limited view through its letterbox rear window.
Where I am Diesel is 20-25 cents a litter more than gas so I bought the F150 with the 2.7L and my average is 9L/100 kM (my previous F150 with the 5.0L was around 13L/100kM). Goes up when towing of course, (but it was still around 15L, towing 6,000lbs) so it depends on how often you are towing.
I drive rural with a lot of big animals to work at 5am. It's always dark. I need a dark interior. Cx30 does well with outside lighting but more importantly inside light minimum.
About 2027,Quebec government had a new announcement regarding EV and PHEV vehicles that the program will end by the end of 2026. Ex: EV rebate to $4000 in 2025, $2000 in 2026 and $0 by 2027
The F150 hybrid 19/100 oof. Fun fact that the mileage for the power boost hybrid is to me… only nominally better mileage than my 2018 Ecoboost .. glad to hear the gain is in the towing!
How about voice activated controls, just ask Google to turn on the radio, heated seats, cooled seats, AC, heat, fan speed, lower my driver window, you got the idea??
Im surprised with the suv obsession in North America companies are not making wagon/hatch versions of their larger sedans. I could only imagine how fast a camry/accord wagon would sell here.
They won't. There's some sort of stigma with wagons. I like them, and a few others have attested to liking them, but there's a stigma of it looking like a wagon, but they'll buy a Forester in a heartbeat!
Evie's should be cheaper in the future than an ice vehicle because of many factors. The dropping cost of batteries. The switching over of the industry to electrification will bring the price down. The manufacturing costs to the manufacturer should be greatly lowered as they don't have to deal with. Trying to get a new generation of engines certified for emissions that cost the companies. Billions electrification means no emissions and no extra cost for the manufacturer to be placed on the backs of us on a per unit basis. So in the future electric cars should be substantially cheaper than any petrol car
Yes EVs are currently expensive, but you should factor operating costs into the calculation; We spend less to finance our 2023 EV6 AWD GT-Line than we spent on gas and oil changes running our 2011 Sorento AWD EX V6; I was spending $90-120 on gas every 4-5 days on my 70km daily commute plus errands and kid taxi duty, now I spend ~ $3/day in electricity. Then factor in maintenance and repairs on an older vehicle and we're way ahead. Other than charging at home, the only money I've spent in 25,000km so far is a few bucks on washer fluid. In the meantime I've gone from yet another CUV bubble-car, to smiling my face off in a fun to drive EV with 320hp and a ton of instant torque.
Many recent vehicles have excellent voice command capabilities that allow avoiding using screens and buttons. "Hey Porsche, I'm cold. Hey Porsche, set the right rear seat heater to level 3. Hey Porsche, navigate to Whole Foods grocery store. Hey Porsche, play 89.3 FM. Hey Google, send a text message to Bob Smith. Hey Google, why aren't Zach and Andrea using voice commands more often?" 🙂
Prices aside… Based on the fact that BC has actually had to import energy for the last year i think it’s probably good that transition over all to EVs is slow. BC is actually well positioned to absorb increased electrical demand compared to other provinces but even here it appears fragile. I agree with leasing if you’re making jump.
@@rodgood No idea what the American states are using to power their grids. But in Canada some provinces still have coal in the mix. BC which uses dams and hydro has traditionally been rich with this resource and energy, and has historically exported excess power to the states. However due to drought the last couple of years and increase demands on the grid we have slipped to importing last year… that to me is an indicator that we are barely meet current consumption and are vulnerable.
They should've kept the name Optima in my opinion. I loved my 2018 Optima sxl. I recently purchased a 2023 sorento sx. I would've purchased the k5 gt 2.5 turbo if it came with awd.
I’d argue that the infotainment screen is worse than cell phones. If you want to hide advanced features in there, I am onboard, but basic adjustments should be through buttons. Thankfully there are steering wheel radio controls.
Seems like terrible advice, depending on the time away. Long term storage of Lithium batteries should be at below about 80%, pretty much anywhere from 50-80 would be ideal. You shouldn't let it sit at 100 or 0 for long periods of time, and most cars even have daily charge limit settings so that you only charge to 100 if you actually need it, but don't on your day to day.
The Tesla manual recommends "ABC". I assume Tesla knows better than either of us. But you are right that the charge level for long tern parking should be set between 50 and 80% but still should be plugged in if a charger is available with ABC.@@Snerdles
All should go watch some of Sandy Munro's videos, fellow Canadian 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 who is a world renowned engineer with years in the auto industry, he worked for Ford back in the day. Listen to watch he says unbiased and honest about giga castings...they are stronger than traditional car construction and will not be thrown away like the uniformed are led to believe.
I hope they move away from putting everything in menu in the touch screen. Hopefully that means physical buttons will be back when I’m in the market for another car in a few years.
A little math may shine a light on the dependability issue: J D Power, aggregating the experiences of more than 80,000 verified owners for 2024, found Lexus the best, 135 dependability issues per 100 vehicles. But this means, for those of us that buy one car at a time, that one Lexus is likely to have one issue (1.34 rounds down to one). Ford was well down the list (but better than VW, Audi, Tesla). Ford had 239 issues per 100 vehicles. Doing the math again, one Ford will likely have two dependability issues. The average 2024 car, according to J D Power, had about two dependability issues (190 per 100 cars). Is this a big deal?
330,000 vehicles Results are from the 2023 Annual Auto Surveys, involving more than 330,000 vehicles. Data from the 2021 to 2023 model years (plus a few 2024 models) were averaged, provided a vehicle wasn't significantly changed over that time. Some ratings might be based on a single model year.
if you forget to charge your EV or the temp drops, how will that impact your life if you can't get to where you need to go when the range drops? Range, charge times, charge locations and repairability of EVs will hamper this market until those issues are resolved. 2027? I doubt it.
I recently just purchased a 2015 model S tesla, the electric motor and the 85 kW battery have both been replaced about 50 K miles ago, so far the car has been great, I get about 240 miles on a charge, this is my first electric vehicle, I think I may just stay with electric cars after this one, but would eventually possibly like to upgrade to an SUV electric vehicle, most likely a model y
I think EVs will reach price parity well before 2027. We're almost there already. In December 2023, the average transaction price for an EV in the US was $50,798 while the average transaction price for all vehicles was $48,759. That's only a $2k difference. (Source: KBB/Cox Automotive).
If left several months 12 Volts battery can be dead. If so, you cannot open and enter in the car. Also, 12 V battery is not charged by the big battery , the charging is working only if you drive the car. This is true at least with EQS. Thus, not using the car for longer time is really a problem for 12 V battery.
That depends on the car. Even in my PHEV it has a 12V protection system that if it detects the 12V battery low while off it will engage the drive battery to 'top up' the 12V battery. It gives up after a little bit though, so if you have some type of drain it won't just drain your drive battery completely.
15:39 If you want economy and the ability to tow 6500lbs all of the midsize trucks are a better option UNLESS you tow that weight most of the time. If you tow daily or long distances every weekend, the half-tons are a better choice.
Hi guys, can someone help me understand what is "dealer fee". I ordered a rav4 it just came in so i just got the bill of sale from the dealer in Ontario there's 999.00 dealer fee, it's my 2nd rav4 and the first one didn't have that fee last year
We are going to spend a little time with it and put something out in a few months. It just got clear coated, we are picking it up today, apparently it looks really good.
buttons - they say the Kia K4 is "button rich" in photos people have seen - a pushback to the lack of buttons. oh the back door handle vanishes to the back window.
I spoke to a lot of Quebec journalists on our last trip and they said, these rebates were not supposed to be around forever. They are not surprised they are going away and it will affect EV sales but not for a while because the Quebec government is doing it slowly.
@@andreaspencer9813 thanks Andrea. I agree with you and Zach; prices will still be higher for ev's when the provincial rebate runs out. But, hopefully by then, more hybrids will be available and more affordable for everyone. Sorry I don't have Instagram, but I really enjoy your QC&C videos. Cheers!
I hate to see id4@ charge stations, they charge so slow, it takes forever for them to charge to 100%, the more id4, the longer line at the charge station,
The coming EURO NCAP regs are a God-send. I can't wait for the coming years when we are going to look back at all of the marketing speak of how 'streamlined" and "minimalist" all-screen controls like Tesla and the EX30 ... it's going to sound so dated and disingenuous in the coming years hopefully. Never trust the car industry to do what's right unless they are pushed, they pushed back on seat belts and air bags after all, they aren't being your friend with all-screen controls.
I too can’t wait for this (EURO NCAP) if it means HVAC hard buttons, manually controlled HVAC vents, turn signal stalk, and an actual MID (instrument cluster)!!!!!!! I’m talking about you Tesla Model 3/Y. And a bunch of others. I’d buy a Model Y tomorrow if it had proper controls. I’d even be willing to pay an extra few thousand dollars if their current design minimalism is actually saving then money.
Suzuki hasn’t sold a new vehicle in North America since 2011 model year … the SX4 was great, the Kashkai wasn’t a bad sedan. The rest were either built by GM or Nissan (full size truck) and they were 💩. So unless you can find an extremely low mileage SX4 … I would run away … fast!
@@rickferr1546 No…SX4 was and is built solely by Suzuki … I think Fiat sold the same car rebadged in parts of Europe. Toyota had nothing to do with the North American Suzuki cars during this era at least
@@Motormouth... yeah I really liked it too and now I’m waiting for the new Daytona and the new Omega Speedy. Oh well I waited 18 months for my 2023 Rav4 Prime so I’m used to waiting for things. Take care 😊
I think the diminishing number of sedan sales has a lot to do with the fact that they keep getting closer to the ground and keep getting more difficult for us big boys and girls to ingress and egress.
Once solid state batteries for EVS are produced in Mass to where the prices are reasonable, it will be game over for hybrids, game over for ice vehicles, all the used EV's with the old batteries will be ridiculously cheap cuz nobody will want them anymore. It's all going to go solid state batteries and once it becomes an economy of scale it'll be game over for everything else. This will all take place in the next next 8 to 10 years
I Understand what you said, But if Toyota says that they are going to be appearing in one of their vehicles in 2027-2028 which is 3 to 4 years from now, and I gave my estimate 8 to 10 years which gives them time to get the cost down and become more mainstream, why is that estimate much too early? My 10 year estimate is 6 years after Toyota would have them in their first vehicle at the furthest part of their estimate.@@Motormouth...
As EV technology inside the dashboard screen gets more complicated with the addition of new features and sub-menus, it will make it more difficult for older seniors who drive to navigate through these features and controls while driving. These screens are no different than texting and driving, and are a recipe for disaster as more of them are on the road.
I cannot understand why people spend over $70,000 on a luxury car then complain about its gas mileage. You buy the car for its luxury and powerful V6, not to save gas. Downgrading to a non-luxury hybrid won’t save money you’ve already lost on trading in the luxury car.
EV prices …. Seems like the rebates are using the same information as the marketing company…. But I am not convinced it will be there by 2027. I’d buy an EV if the prices were a bit lower.
I loved that Zack didn't help her disguise the slip of the tongue at 19:15 , but was quick to point it out. Bravo! LOL
After the Question about MDX fuel consomption and alternatives: i own a Mazda CX90 Signature with HO 6 cyl. Since december. I drive about 450 km during week ends going at Le Massif ski station in the mountains of Charlevoix Quebec. My average fuel consomption for those trip is an amazing 7.8 l/100 km including those mountain climbing (doing that effortlessly downshifting only 1 or 2 gears and staying below 2500 rpm. Thanks to that relatively big 6 cyl with lots of torque). Even got as low as 7.1 l/100 km on the way back home. That’s at cruising speed of 116-118 km/h on the highway, in Quebec winter. Car computer gives me a global average of 9,1 l/100 k since I own the car. Nice surprise as it beats EPA numbers!
Andrea & Zack's driveway is amazing! You can see some of their guest house out the passenger-side window. Their main house is epic! Kids, forget about college. Ask your parents for AV gear.
If you can afford a new MDX, you can probably afford the gas. Just sayin. Great review. Very entertaining!
You’re right. I can.
True… but burning money out the tailpipe isn’t everyone’s preference.
But yea, losing all that depreciation to just save some mine is a bad idea.
I reside in the US. Not only the cost of EV cars are much higher, but so is the insurance. I looked into the 2024 BMW iX M60. The annual insurance was about $5,600 vs. the 2024 BMW X7 M60i at $2,900. The insurance for the 2024 BMW i7 is about $10,000 vs. the 2024 BMW 760i xDrive is about $3,900. Not to mention, in the US, we have numerous power outages that prevent those with electric cars from charging their cars at home. Electric companies like PG&E or Edison have increased the household rates by about 32%, which the cost of charging an EV car is almost as if you are spending over $3 dollars per gallon for a gas car. A friend of mine needed to change the battery for his 2015 Tesla. The cost was about $25,000 plus an additional $5,000 for California environmental fee. Overall cost of battery replacement was more than the value of the car. He donated the car and he said he will never get an EV car again. Mercedes, BMW, Audi, and Porsche to name a few have well over hundreds of thousands of brand-new 2023 or 2024 EV inventories that they can't push out. Porsche Tycan is one the most expensive EV cars and you can find thousands of 2023, 2022, or 2021 for sale for less than $70K. Ford dealers have thousands of EV cars and they are not even getting help from the manufacturer. GM CEO wrote to the Biden administration that they can't sell EV cars and it has cost the company about 1 billion dollar loss. More and more people are walking away from EV cars.
Thank you for your answer to my MDX. I truly love every single thing else about this car!
Thanks for participating!
recently started watching this channel and really like it that the information shared is tailored for Canadian buyers such as the specific trims available here vs US. Love the show
Thank you so much, welcome aboard!
I can’t imagine how much you need to drive to save $$ on fuel vs buying a new car. Thank You for giving such an honest answer.
It’s not that much really. It cost me about $8 to drive 500km in an EV.
Most of the time, it's never about savings. Most just want a newer vehicle. It is mostly more emotional than logical. Else, everyone will be keeping their cars for decades.
@@licsor546 this person has a new MDX but wasn’t getting through fuel economy they wanted.
There's a gas vs hybrid savings calculator on a website called wallet burst, it's really interesting to use
While I agree with that in the sense that it’s impractical to spend $ on a new car to save on gas vs just driving the existing one, sometimes folks priorities change like in our case, downsizing from 7-passenger to a 2 row. Our priority was not to get better fuel economy but rather practicality. It just so happened the new car we got was more fuel efficient than our 3-row SUV which was a bonus. Also, sold the 3-row for great price therefore, new SUV considered just an upgrade!
I have owned a CX-90 PHEV since September 2023 and I am getting pretty much the estimated fuel consumption, perhaps a little better, at just above 4L/100km (58mpg). That said, most of my trips are short ones in the city, I plug the car in whenever possible, and certainly every night. If you were doing longer trips regularly or aren't diligent about plugging it in that of course will make a big difference but for me, so far so good.
That's great to hear, thank you for sharing this.
Congratulations both on your 70th show 🎉
Thank you very much!
@@andreaspencer9813 My pleasure!
Thank you!!
They look good for 70! 😅
@@andreaspencer9813 Always a pleasure and this is a milestone!
Regarding EV charge loss while parked up, my Model Y sat undriven and unplugged for five weeks last fall, with sentry mode off and cabin overheat protection on. It started at about 65% and went down to about 60%. No issues.
Leather jackets galore. Looking good and wild guys!
Practical take: Gotta do something with the cowhide if you eat beef.
Finally someone asked about the fuel economy of the Acura MDX 2022 + model years. Reddit has a lot of disappointed owners due to that. But I did see some comments from people that after the engine break in the fuel economy improved for them.
My neighbor said his .mpg is great compared to his 427 Corvette. He said the MDX ride was great compared to the Corvette
EPA rates the 2022 MDX at 21 mpg combined and the type S at 19 mpg, both on premium fuel.
I bought a 2023 kia forte Gt line, While waiting for service i looked at all the new cars interior (Sportage, Niro, sorento,ev9,ev6,etc) all had the long single panel duel screen. My car was the only one with a non digital guage cluster and separate screen. I’m glad it stands out from the rest. I have many tactical buttons!
I got the new Audi A3 just cause it has real buttons aswell!, it still have a digital cluster, but physical buttons on steering wheel and under infotainment system. Feels luxery after driving other cars where I have to stop, to go thru menus to find heat.
Buying a new car is an expensive way to save money at the pump. Absolutely............. but our new Rav 4 Prime is on the way to replace our Prius. We do want more ground clearance and the chance to try electric driving, so those were our justifications. Another great show.
Always great information from your channel. Here's to 70 more! 🥂
Thank you Andrea and Zack! Always enjoy your channel!
Love the Sierra promo video towing a plane! 17:59 "The everyday owner" 😂
I was thinking the same thing lol also... Planes are designed to be super light .... What does this prove lol
I have a 2014 ram 1500 that I bought brand new. It has a good 8.4-in screen and a good addition of buttons. In fact, the screen has some redundant buttons as well. I think uconnect is the best I've tried in any of these vehicles. We also just bought a Subaru Outback touring XT. Very big screen, but minimal buttons and I think personally, the interface is pretty crappy and sometimes slow.
First time I watched both of you. Love your comments and thinking Keep it going with the playful banter. Bravo!
Thank you very much!
Really good episode. I have heard of "Vampire Drain" being an issue with some EV's, (Rivians). The owners manual should have some suggestions for storing the EV for a month or more. Harley Davidson for example suggests leaving the LiveWire's battery between 30% and 70% and mine has been siting in the shed since December 5th and the battery hasn't moved from the 69% it had when I parked it.
Zack said that you're not going to get good fuel economy with the 300 hp MDX. My 2017 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid with the 304 hp V6 gets 27 mpg in the city and 33 mpg on the highway. Acura definitely dropped the ball by dropping the MDX Sport Hybrid too soon. I love the MDX Sport Hybrid, no problems with over 7 years of use.
I can’t wait for this (EURO NCAP) if it means HVAC hard buttons, manually controlled HVAC vents, turn signal stalk, and an actual MID (instrument cluster)!!!!!!! I’m talking about you Tesla Model 3/Y. And a bunch of others to lesser degrees. I’d buy a Model Y tomorrow if it had proper controls. I’d even be willing to pay an extra few thousand dollars if their current design minimalism is actually saving then money.
Tesla: “The best part is no part”.
It’s all in the Master Plan.
It seems to me that EVs are doing the same sales/price curve that gasoline cars went through at their introduction over 100 years ago. Automobiles started off as a plaything for the rich, useability was in question ("Get yourself a horse!"), manufacturers spring up everywhere, lower priced models are introduced for the masses, prices drop precipitously (the Model T went from from $780 in 1910 to $290 in 1924 -- the same car 14 years later was almost 1/3 the price), many many manufacturers were either acquired or went bankrupt eventually leading to the "Big 3" dominating the industry. Now that EVs are apparently repeating this cycle I think we can confidently say "I've seen this movie before".
You mean moving picture show!
😆 Zack call you manic! Well I am not sure about that. 😂 Anyway, thanks for answering my question and both of you made an interesting point about future price of EV. Great show Andrea! 👍🏻👍🏻☕️☕️
We are getting just under 18 mpg in town (in ECO mode) on a new 24 Pilot. Not great, but better than 12 mpg in our Suburban.
Plug in your Tesla if you leave it for a month. Sentry mode being on 24/7 and cabin overheat protection may drain the battery quite a bit.
We have a 2017 Mazda 6 Signature and love it. Very sad that we can not replace it.
There's a Mazda 6 wagon up the street from me. I'm very jealous of that owner.
The availability of sedans may diminish but I don’t think they’ll go away. They’ll just be more exclusive. Sedans, assuming the same drivetrain, are more efficient and have lower emissions by a 12 to 15% margin, due to less weight, better aerodynamics.
On a Tesla model S, if you are constantly checking on it with your cell phone app, and/or you leave sentry mode on, you can see significant drain. My brother had this happen. But it didn’t completely drain.
Yes, sentry mode uses a fair amount of power, but turns off once the state of charge is down to 20%.
Tesla is just about to release a software update, over the air, that will significantly reduce the battery use in Sentry mode, should be out very very soon...
Would your MDX answer change with the 2025 refresh that supposedly fixes the interior issues? I have heard Acura's are not selling well so you could likely offset any gas cost savings with a lower price for the MDX (still higher than the CX-90 and Highlander Hybrid though).
Slightly longer episode was great 👍🏻
Congrats on #70! Folks who get well under EPA must have an iron foot or drive city only in stop and go traffic because I drive faster than the average person and I always get above the estimated EPA.
In the winter time in my Integra Type S I always drive it in individual mode with everything sport+ besides suspension and I’m averaging around 8.5 L / 100Km which is close to the highway EPA #’s in the best weather conditions.
I am snow birding with my EV (Ioniq 5) plugged in back home. I set it for 70%. Why? To keep the 12V battery charged. The High voltage battery charges the 12V battery so best to keep it plugged in for extended time periods. I've been gone for 5 months so far with no issues ... other than the app times out after 4 consecutive days. Edit: this is the 3rd year I've done this with an EV.
The government wanted to incentivize EV adoption to help the environment, which is fine. There is actually an income limit and a cost limit for the car ($55k, ~7.5k higher than the average new car), so it's not exactly highest incomes here. The kicker is that the requirements on what cars qualify keeps jobs here and brings more for the batteries as well.
The reality of it is that until there's more adoption, it won't get noticeably cheaper, so may as well get middle class people in and drop prices overall while making more NA jobs.
@@SenecaRainethink you meant to make this a main section comment and not a response to someone else...
Congrats on 70th episode......come on people...there are stealth Canadian Camper guys with 1.39M subs...click like and subscribe!!!! Watching from Raleigh, NC every week!
Awe thank you!
Manufacturers can make 15 hybrids with the resources of ONE EV.
Let that sink in. 😮
Way too logical for many people to process. Akio Toyoda suggested the materials required for one EV battery could be used to produce eight plug-in hybrid batteries. Then there’s the charging stations issue. PHEVs, don’t need them, a normal household outlet works fine.
The EPA compare side-by-side website says my PHEV emits on average 99 grams per mile, 30% of the harmful tailpipe emissions coming from the average 2024 ICE only auto, 319 grams per mile.
Congrats on 70 episodes. You both are the best!
Thank you so much!
Fabulous show as always 🥰🥰
Thank you
TFL broke their brand new Taco recently (lost FWD) doing light off-roading. Still waiting to hear what broke.
They've revealed what broke in a new video like yesterday
Thanks for another interesting episode. Cheers.
Thanks for watching!
(Brian) I agree. Consistently entertaining with great banter.
Agree with both of you re: pickup truck. Biased because my 23 Silverado has the 3.0 Duramax. At the time it was like $750 over the 5.3 but the $195 block heater comes standard. Can't beat the fuel economy I just topped up yesterday and it showed a range of 980 kms, for some reason I can never get it past 999. Diesel has come down to $1.56 in Muskoka. As for reliability my truck is 13 months old with zero issues, my 17 Sierra had zero issues as well.
When Zack said, "I'm going to my old line that I love to use" I expected "Buy what you want!", but no. Hot off the press: an interesting accessory will be available for the 2025 Volvo EC40 and EX40 (formerly C40 and XC40 Recharge): an electronic rear-view mirror with the camera integrated in the shark fin on the roof. Moreover, it will available for earlier years of those two models as well. It will be especially useful for the C40, which Zack has criticized more than once for the limited view through its letterbox rear window.
Where I am Diesel is 20-25 cents a litter more than gas so I bought the F150 with the 2.7L and my average is 9L/100 kM (my previous F150 with the 5.0L was around 13L/100kM). Goes up when towing of course, (but it was still around 15L, towing 6,000lbs) so it depends on how often you are towing.
Nice shout put to TFL Trucks! They do real world reviews that are almost as good as yours!
I drive rural with a lot of big animals to work at 5am. It's always dark. I need a dark interior. Cx30 does well with outside lighting but more importantly inside light minimum.
About 2027,Quebec government had a new announcement regarding EV and PHEV vehicles that the program will end by the end of 2026.
Ex: EV rebate to $4000 in 2025, $2000 in 2026 and $0 by 2027
I think most manufacturers feel that the sales numbers in Canada are a spit in the bucket.
The F150 hybrid 19/100 oof. Fun fact that the mileage for the power boost hybrid is to me… only nominally better mileage than my 2018 Ecoboost .. glad to hear the gain is in the towing!
Well if you raise the price of gas vehicles high enough they will reach parity with EVs.
How about voice activated controls, just ask Google to turn on the radio, heated seats, cooled seats, AC, heat, fan speed, lower my driver window, you got the idea??
Mazzzzda all the way.
Im surprised with the suv obsession in North America companies are not making wagon/hatch versions of their larger sedans. I could only imagine how fast a camry/accord wagon would sell here.
They won't. There's some sort of stigma with wagons. I like them, and a few others have attested to liking them, but there's a stigma of it looking like a wagon, but they'll buy a Forester in a heartbeat!
Evie's should be cheaper in the future than an ice vehicle because of many factors. The dropping cost of batteries. The switching over of the industry to electrification will bring the price down. The manufacturing costs to the manufacturer should be greatly lowered as they don't have to deal with. Trying to get a new generation of engines certified for emissions that cost the companies. Billions electrification means no emissions and no extra cost for the manufacturer to be placed on the backs of us on a per unit basis. So in the future electric cars should be substantially cheaper than any petrol car
Love your jacket Andrea. 😎
Thank you very much!
Yes EVs are currently expensive, but you should factor operating costs into the calculation; We spend less to finance our 2023 EV6 AWD GT-Line than we spent on gas and oil changes running our 2011 Sorento AWD EX V6; I was spending $90-120 on gas every 4-5 days on my 70km daily commute plus errands and kid taxi duty, now I spend ~ $3/day in electricity. Then factor in maintenance and repairs on an older vehicle and we're way ahead. Other than charging at home, the only money I've spent in 25,000km so far is a few bucks on washer fluid.
In the meantime I've gone from yet another CUV bubble-car, to smiling my face off in a fun to drive EV with 320hp and a ton of instant torque.
Many recent vehicles have excellent voice command capabilities that allow avoiding using screens and buttons. "Hey Porsche, I'm cold. Hey Porsche, set the right rear seat heater to level 3. Hey Porsche, navigate to Whole Foods grocery store. Hey Porsche, play 89.3 FM. Hey Google, send a text message to Bob Smith. Hey Google, why aren't Zach and Andrea using voice commands more often?" 🙂
Prices aside… Based on the fact that BC has actually had to import energy for the last year i think it’s probably good that transition over all to EVs is slow. BC is actually well positioned to absorb increased electrical demand compared to other provinces but even here it appears fragile. I agree with leasing if you’re making jump.
Let me quess was it from a Natural Gas generator ,in an American State ?
@@rodgood No idea what the American states are using to power their grids. But in Canada some provinces still have coal in the mix. BC which uses dams and hydro has traditionally been rich with this resource and energy, and has historically exported excess power to the states. However due to drought the last couple of years and increase demands on the grid we have slipped to importing last year… that to me is an indicator that we are barely meet current consumption and are vulnerable.
They should've kept the name Optima in my opinion. I loved my 2018 Optima sxl. I recently purchased a 2023 sorento sx. I would've purchased the k5 gt 2.5 turbo if it came with awd.
They can bring back buttons, except where it involves gearshifts and emergency brakes. Those should go back to handles and shifters.
I’d argue that the infotainment screen is worse than cell phones. If you want to hide advanced features in there, I am onboard, but basic adjustments should be through buttons. Thankfully there are steering wheel radio controls.
Love your show. Tesla recommends "ABC", or "always be charging". They say it's better to keep electric car charged while away.
Seems like terrible advice, depending on the time away. Long term storage of Lithium batteries should be at below about 80%, pretty much anywhere from 50-80 would be ideal. You shouldn't let it sit at 100 or 0 for long periods of time, and most cars even have daily charge limit settings so that you only charge to 100 if you actually need it, but don't on your day to day.
The Tesla manual recommends "ABC". I assume Tesla knows better than either of us. But you are right that the charge level for long tern parking should be set between 50 and 80% but still should be plugged in if a charger is available with ABC.@@Snerdles
In Kia’s the battery is 110% of the cost! 😂
What do y'all think about GM selling you driving habits to you insurance company. Do you think it will hurt sales.
All should go watch some of Sandy Munro's videos, fellow Canadian 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 who is a world renowned engineer with years in the auto industry, he worked for Ford back in the day. Listen to watch he says unbiased and honest about giga castings...they are stronger than traditional car construction and will not be thrown away like the uniformed are led to believe.
I hope they move away from putting everything in menu in the touch screen. Hopefully that means physical buttons will be back when I’m in the market for another car in a few years.
The JD Power 2024 reliability survey cites over 80,000 respondents. Why can’t I find how many respondents are cited by consumer reports?
Survey's are sketchy at best
A little math may shine a light on the dependability issue:
J D Power, aggregating the experiences of more than 80,000 verified owners for 2024, found Lexus the best, 135 dependability issues per 100 vehicles. But this means, for those of us that buy one car at a time, that one Lexus is likely to have one issue (1.34 rounds down to one).
Ford was well down the list (but better than VW, Audi, Tesla). Ford had 239 issues per 100 vehicles. Doing the math again, one Ford will likely have two dependability issues.
The average 2024 car, according to J D Power, had about two dependability issues (190 per 100 cars).
Is this a big deal?
330,000 vehicles
Results are from the 2023 Annual Auto Surveys, involving more than 330,000 vehicles. Data from the 2021 to 2023 model years (plus a few 2024 models) were averaged, provided a vehicle wasn't significantly changed over that time. Some ratings might be based on a single model year.
if you forget to charge your EV or the temp drops, how will that impact your life if you can't get to where you need to go when the range drops? Range, charge times, charge locations and repairability of EVs will hamper this market until those issues are resolved. 2027? I doubt it.
I recently just purchased a 2015 model S tesla, the electric motor and the 85 kW battery have both been replaced about 50 K miles ago, so far the car has been great, I get about 240 miles on a charge, this is my first electric vehicle, I think I may just stay with electric cars after this one, but would eventually possibly like to upgrade to an SUV electric vehicle, most likely a model y
I think EVs will reach price parity well before 2027. We're almost there already. In December 2023, the average transaction price for an EV in the US was $50,798 while the average transaction price for all vehicles was $48,759. That's only a $2k difference. (Source: KBB/Cox Automotive).
Well said and another misconception and generalization that many fall too
If left several months 12 Volts battery can be dead. If so, you cannot open and enter in the car. Also, 12 V battery is not charged by the big battery , the charging is working only if you drive the car. This is true at least with EQS. Thus, not using the car for longer time is really a problem for 12 V battery.
That depends on the car. Even in my PHEV it has a 12V protection system that if it detects the 12V battery low while off it will engage the drive battery to 'top up' the 12V battery.
It gives up after a little bit though, so if you have some type of drain it won't just drain your drive battery completely.
@@Snerdles maybe with Phev is Ok. Not with Mercedes EQS
400k subscribers incoming!
15:39 If you want economy and the ability to tow 6500lbs all of the midsize trucks are a better option UNLESS you tow that weight most of the time. If you tow daily or long distances every weekend, the half-tons are a better choice.
Hearing about the Toyota Highlander Hybrid makes me wonder when the Mercedes GLC 43 AMG will be available in Canada?
Hi guys, can someone help me understand what is "dealer fee". I ordered a rav4 it just came in so i just got the bill of sale from the dealer in Ontario there's 999.00 dealer fee, it's my 2nd rav4 and the first one didn't have that fee last year
Andrea, when will we get to see review of your new GTI? Look forward to watching a real car/real hot hatch.
We are going to spend a little time with it and put something out in a few months. It just got clear coated, we are picking it up today, apparently it looks really good.
Big difference between cost of vehicles and the price the manufacturer sells them for. This is not a cost plus industry.
Great talk even with the slip of the tongue 😜😂
buttons - they say the Kia K4 is "button rich" in photos people have seen - a pushback to the lack of buttons. oh the back door handle vanishes to the back window.
Zach, the Quebec government has decided to phase out subsidies for EVs completely by January 1, 2027. Will that have an impact on EV sales?
It sure will
I spoke to a lot of Quebec journalists on our last trip and they said, these rebates were not supposed to be around forever. They are not surprised they are going away and it will affect EV sales but not for a while because the Quebec government is doing it slowly.
@@andreaspencer9813 thanks Andrea. I agree with you and Zach; prices will still be higher for ev's when the provincial rebate runs out. But, hopefully by then, more hybrids will be available and more affordable for everyone. Sorry I don't have Instagram, but I really enjoy your QC&C videos. Cheers!
Hi, your car is amazing with the panaromic sunroof, what car is this?
Hybrid are way better for the foreseeable future,in my option. 🍻😎🚗💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦 from Chilliwack
You mentioned ford will focus on hybrids. I read a few weeks ago, Ford EV division lost on average $66k /vehicle in 2023
I hate to see id4@ charge stations, they charge so slow, it takes forever for them to charge to 100%, the more id4, the longer line at the charge station,
Instead of Giga - go with our favorite - Dongle
The coming EURO NCAP regs are a God-send. I can't wait for the coming years when we are going to look back at all of the marketing speak of how 'streamlined" and "minimalist" all-screen controls like Tesla and the EX30 ... it's going to sound so dated and disingenuous in the coming years hopefully. Never trust the car industry to do what's right unless they are pushed, they pushed back on seat belts and air bags after all, they aren't being your friend with all-screen controls.
I completely agree. Well said.
I too can’t wait for this (EURO NCAP) if it means HVAC hard buttons, manually controlled HVAC vents, turn signal stalk, and an actual MID (instrument cluster)!!!!!!! I’m talking about you Tesla Model 3/Y. And a bunch of others. I’d buy a Model Y tomorrow if it had proper controls. I’d even be willing to pay an extra few thousand dollars if their current design minimalism is actually saving then money.
If the insurance companies will write off damaged EV’s, I wonder how many of the remaining parts can be recycled.
Are Suzuki SUVs any good are they reliable do they have any issues?
Suzuki hasn’t sold a new vehicle in North America since 2011 model year … the SX4 was great, the Kashkai wasn’t a bad sedan. The rest were either built by GM or Nissan (full size truck) and they were 💩. So unless you can find an extremely low mileage SX4 … I would run away … fast!
@@thomobrien1854 the sx4 was made by Toyota?
@@rickferr1546 No…SX4 was and is built solely by Suzuki … I think Fiat sold the same car rebadged in parts of Europe. Toyota had nothing to do with the North American Suzuki cars during this era at least
Zac did you see the new white dial omega speed master moonwatch ?
I did and really like it, but I have something else in my next
@@Motormouth... yeah I really liked it too and now I’m waiting for the new Daytona and the new Omega Speedy. Oh well I waited 18 months for my 2023 Rav4 Prime so I’m used to waiting for things. Take care 😊
I think the diminishing number of sedan sales has a lot to do with the fact that they keep getting closer to the ground and keep getting more difficult for us big boys and girls to ingress and egress.
I really like the k5, sad to see it go. Hopefully Hyundai will continue to sell the Sonata.
Once solid state batteries for EVS are produced in Mass to where the prices are reasonable, it will be game over for hybrids, game over for ice vehicles, all the used EV's with the old batteries will be ridiculously cheap cuz nobody will want them anymore. It's all going to go solid state batteries and once it becomes an economy of scale it'll be game over for everything else. This will all take place in the next next 8 to 10 years
Solid state at at volume is a long way off.
I Understand what you said, But if Toyota says that they are going to be appearing in one of their vehicles in 2027-2028 which is 3 to 4 years from now, and I gave my estimate 8 to 10 years which gives them time to get the cost down and become more mainstream, why is that estimate much too early? My 10 year estimate is 6 years after Toyota would have them in their first vehicle at the furthest part of their estimate.@@Motormouth...
Does the government incentive apply to hybrids?
Andrea can confirm this but i think it is for EV's only, i never had an incentive when i purchased my Hybrid in 2021
I am part of the dying breed as I have no plans to ever buy an suv or a van.
Isn't Kia releasing K4 in Canada on March 21?
It will be unveiled at the New York Auto Show.
As EV technology inside the dashboard screen gets more complicated with the addition of new features and sub-menus, it will make it more difficult for older seniors who drive to navigate through these features and controls while driving. These screens are no different than texting and driving, and are a recipe for disaster as more of them are on the road.
Zack said it best…”Buying a new car is an expensive way to save money at the pump.” You’ve already bought the car, enjoy it.
Another way to say it: if you’re going to buy a new car anyhow, then check out how you can save the most fuel.
Toyota GH Hybrid is very expensive, I could not find anything below 60K so you are not saving any money in the end.
19:16.....Got it!😂
I cannot understand why people spend over $70,000 on a luxury car then complain about its gas mileage. You buy the car for its luxury and powerful V6, not to save gas. Downgrading to a non-luxury hybrid won’t save money you’ve already lost on trading in the luxury car.
EV prices …. Seems like the rebates are using the same information as the marketing company…. But I am not convinced it will be there by 2027. I’d buy an EV if the prices were a bit lower.