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The most traumatizing part of this case is the fact that her husband had a solid alibi with 4 witnesses and a timestamped receipt. Like wtf? That's terrifying.
Leah Askey & The Judge (Christine Mennemeyer I believe It Was?? 🤔🤷♀️) 1000% Most Definitely Deserve Jail Time In My Opinion!!! Askey purposely blocked things that would've exonerated him, had evidence destroyed etc., & the Judge Absolutely Allowed Askey's Shit Show of a Witch Hunt Prosecution Go On Smh... Off With Both Of Their Heads I Say Lol!!! Throw them in there with Pam Hupp's Psychotic, Manipulative, Diabolical & Deplorable Ass! 🤦♀️🤷♀️💀💯👌🏼😂😭🙄
As for the judge she was also disbarred, she tried to run again to be a judge but someone else was given the job. Other than that there’s nothing else known about what she does now, but from an article I read it looks like she still defends her actions lol
I actually think the series is really well done. While at first Pam does seem a bit 'cartoonish' after a while that actually feeds into how sinister she really was.
exactly this. ive seen people complain the series is too campy but how else can you portray the stupid actions done by people involved? it wouldnt work in a serious series..
@@kevinlecointe4224 I am embarrassed to say this show has been like a drug to me. That's what I'm doing here. Pam was such a blatant amateur, it is confounding why it took so long to nail her. After all her cleverness, she now has a lifetime to mull it over. Perfect.
The last episode... she (her acting) creeped the hell out of me!! I think they chose a really good genre to tell this story. No matter how a drama was going to be made, it was going to offend the survivors, imho, because they are hurting.
This series shows that sometimes the police and the prosecution are not looking for truth but just for a conviction. Mr. Faria should have sued everyone.
The detectives and prosecutor should be fired, sued, and disbarred. They completely overlooked EVERYTHING. This is what happens when cops and prosecutors suck at their job, want to do as little work as possible and get a conviction for their records
From what I’ve gathered Russ filed a lawsuit against the lead officers on the case and the prosecutor Leah Askey, who to this day still defends her actions lol, and was awarded $2million however there’s no statements saying the officers were fired so they most likely were not and either transferred to a different department or allowed to retire early. As for the prosecutor? Lol she was voted out of office and apparently had had multiple cases of hers be investigated and overturned. She now works at a private law firm. That whole city is corrupt.
-Russ sued & won $2M. -The prosecutor still has her law license which should have been shredded. -from what I have read the officers involved are no longer with the department.
Say what you want about the limited series. No one can ever say Renee' Zellweger doesn't understand the assignment. She always shows up and never phones in a role.
The police dropped the ball on this one. The fact the husband had a alibi that would have been proven. It’s so easy to overlook stab wounds when you’re freaking out when you just found your wife’s body. I would have sued the hell out of everyone
If he killed her with dozens of stabs, he would have never tried to get out of it by saying she committed suicide. It was ridiculous that they took his statement to be evidence of guilt vs. evidence of innocence (i.e., evidence that he's someone who found a dead body and didn't know exactly what happened).
Well well well...January 2014 FOX NEWS 2 were the ones responsible for getting the retrial of the case. THERE! For all the liberals and general nutcases out there THIS goes to show that FOX gets to the bottom of everything! For 2 years FOX has been talking about the Hunter Biden laptop and ALL the MSM called it a conspiracy theory and a flat out LIE. NOW CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS are finally talking about it! America and the Western World it is time to WAKE UP! The news has been lying to you for years, especially the last TWO years. I've been watching the Mini-Series and decided to lookup this interview and was shocked that NBC acknowledged FOX as he ones that exposed this story and I just couldn't help myself by commented. Everyone needs to start reading and watching different NON MSM stations. I'm not saying FOX isn't one of the because Disney owns them and has since March 19th 2019. The Gateway Pundit pretty good if you're looking to expand your information...or possibly lack thereof. You be surprised at what you don't know which is scary as hell. Sorry to go on a rant but it's kind of hard not too because FOX really should have made the Series as they were the ones that broke it BUT because NBC is in the same bed they were able to make it. Start reading Independent news.
@Barb Wire saw a video where the present prosecuting atty is pressing charges against the past atty and law enforcement for their sloppy investigation and overlooking evidence!! Good for em!!
Renee Zellweger is awesome as Pam. The prosecution, judge and detectives all were incompetent. Russ and the daughters were treated horribly and unfairly.
They got the daughters to testify against Russ about arguments he had with their Mom and created a permanent rift. Russ was unable to forgive them for nearly sending him away to prison for life.
I've gotten hooked on this series. Renee Zellweger is brilliant and creepy in this show. The way she sips on cherry Dr. Pepper is hilarious. Hard to believe this actually went down in this day and age.
Not really. This is what "female empowerment" has gotten us. Pam is the natural result of allowing women to "live their own truth" no matter what reality shows.
Listened to the podcast and am definitely watching the series, but it's even more astonishing to see just how little the DA, judge, and law enforcement in that area seemed to care about facts over their own created narrative.
I think they're not trying to make the show be funny but what's laughable about it is that is how wrong the police and prosecutor got it. I mean they ignored all the signs that pointed to Pam. It's laughable how they were bad at their jobs and how they let Pam play them.
Louis was my friend's neighbor; as she has said "we understand the desire to watch these kind of tv shows and movies. When someone is murdered there is an innate desire to understand why and what happened.. but we do want folks to be mindful that behind any exciting dramatizations, any glamorous Hollywood spin, the reality is that the woman preyed upon a mentally disabled man and murdered him."
I always find it so strange that we're fascinated by "true crime" when, if it happened in our own lives, we'd be horrified and revolted. Thank you for pointing out the reality of the situation while understanding people's interest in the story.
I was so disturbed by the scene of Louis's murder that I couldn't watch it. What a terrible thing to do to a good person & to take his life like he didn't matter to anyone! I am so glad that Hupp went to prison forever for this crime, even if her plea prevented her from hearing it come from a jury. Rest assured, though...she'll hear it from God. What you get away with here, you do not get away with There.
@@Mamacita82 His murder hit me hard when I heard him speak because it was obvious he was impaired and very vulnerable. Hell has a suite waiting for Pam Hupp with her name on the door.
Thank you for your statement. My brother is a little delayed and I can totally see him jumping in the car with some woman to make $1000. Of everything she did, that hit me the hardest
@@Mamacita82 It's heart breaking to hear his son went through a lot after he was murdered. I read he doted on his children and saw them off to school everyday. Their lives will never be the same.
Not only should Renee get nominated for an Emmy but she should win it just like Charlize Theron captured the essence of that other woman who was murdering men in Monster. There are very few REAL actresses & those two are in that small group. The others are just movie stars, not much depth to their movies but earning a ton of money. Like I've said before, they only have to fart & they make $5,000. Also, some people are criticizing the series because it seems comical or exaggerated, but Pam was that way. Just goes to show you how delusional narcissists can manipulate anyone. And if there's one in your life, you're living in a mental hell.
I remember watching this case on Dateline and watching over her police interviews and I am ASTOUNDED at how the cops dropped the ball on this one. I don't understand the negative reviews about the show. The way I see it, the reason for the "comedic portrayal" is to showcase how ridiculous and theatrical Pam Hupp was as a person and to portray herself as this so called victim, completely undermining people's intelligence and knowledge. The fact that she went so long as a free woman must have been rewarding in itself for her. Once she felt the heat, she couldn't keep up.
I went to law school and watching the first trial and the investigation on this show pissed me off. It was such incompetent handling the judge should be off the bench and the prosecutor disbarred
The series got off to a bit of a bumpy start and didn't seem to be able to decide what it wanted to be at first. But when it settled down and began to dive deeper, it became really fascinating. And Zellweger's central performance is a key reason for that. It's riveting. In fact, the entire cast is does excellent work here, really drawing you into the story with every successive episode.
I think that is because they wanted it to feel like how things went in real life. The level of entitlement that Pam Hupp was given is blatantly indicative of gender politics, especially the "believe her even when reality tells you different". Three peopled died.. two of which never would have if Pam was where she ended up sooner.
I keep reading comments on the same line, and I think people are missing the point. The show starts with Hupp telling her own story. She's a narcissist, so everything is self-aggrandizing and even ridiculous and incongruous at times, just like her version of events and her statements to the police. As the story unravels we get to see the story from a different perspective, which is even mentioned in one of the following episodes: Hupp's story is being told by someone else and the facade starts to fall. I thought it was actually rather brilliant.
@@miaferrari958 , oh I agree totally. I just think the real irony of it is in how so easily she was allowed to go unchallenged by many who should have seen through her. She isn't even that attractive in real life.... but remember this is a network that knows it is impossible to make anyone as hideous as Hillary Clinton no matter how much make up or prosthetic latex used as well...
How are investigators, lawyers DA and judges allowed to get away with such bs (countless times) when peoples freedom are at stake with NO real consequences??
@@chrissybabyist She also had multiple other cases of hers overturned after she was voted out of the DA’s office, in one of those cases it rumored she asked witnesses to lie on the stand
Even if the cops were dumb enough to believe Pam and think Russ did it, this should never have gotten past the DA. It's almost like they were too lazy to investigate her at all. If it weren't for that reporter, Russ might still be in jail today.
Thankfully it seems like Tina was the only sane one in this whole case. From sending the photos that didn’t turn out & shredding the disposal of evidence order, which I thought you had to keep evidence for a certain amount of time.
@@peggypeggy4137 The Dateline reporter did make his release happen. I don't think the police DA or Judge had any regard for the truth and were more than incompetent but also malicious. They also poisoned his relationship with his step daughters.
I’m enjoying the series. I think what happened to Betsy and her husband is awful. It’s scary tho coz their are more ppl out there like Pam, but haven’t been caught or someone else is in jail for the crime. They just think their is no way a woman could do such a terrible crime that took place like Betsy’s.
I love how in the show she's referred to as "a nice lady", because, yes, narcissists present themselves as very nice people. "Being nice" doesn't equal being a good person. It's part of their manipulation. They're so "nice" and helpful, and always there for you, but then they use that against you to mess you up emotionally (like in that scene when Betsy is DJing) or to gaslight you. When someone "really nice" flips and uses your trauma or insecurities to tear you down (specially when then they see you "happy"), run in the opposite direction. Not all narcissists are murderers, but they can really f*ck up your life.
Watched "The Thing About Pam"- Renee Zellweger was amazing in her transformation! It got the story of Betsy and Russ out there and captured attentions! Well done!!
I think they chose to depict this story as a dark comedy based on the outlandish way Pam presented herself and the way her witness testimony was ever-changing. At least that's the way I interpreted it as. Almost as if to say, "can you believe the audacity of this woman to have so many inconsistencies, and yet the prosecuting attorney and the local police dept. ate it all up as though it was gospel truth?" You really gotta wonder how so many people could be so gullible about something so blatent. Anyways, they had Russ pegged as the perpetrator from the word go, and worked the evidence to fit their agenda, as opposed to objectively looking at all angles. But it was ultimately Askey's tunnel vision that led this to trial, as she saw the opportunity to gain the notoriety to win her election.
The show is really GREAT!!! This killer's your friend, neighbor, babysitter, play auntie, cat lady, Sunday school teacher, and friendly lady standing in line at your local grocery store... that's frightening!!!
@@mewesquirrel6720 my apologies if I offended. The style and direction of the show was well acted. I knew about the story prior to watching the series. The victims are always overshadowed. I respect the lost of life. Let's remember to be mindful and respectful even in the virtual world.
PLEASE make note that investigative journalists broke this case. A strong and free press is massively important to the health of our democracy and the truth. I'm not talking about crazy right wing nuts or left leaning cable. I'm talking about major network news that we can rely on (I know they're owned by corporations, blah, blah) and your local news outlets. Not perfect, just SO important.
Renee Z was so good in this and looked almost just like that bat shit crazy woman! This was a really good show and made such gruesome crimes a little easier to hear about.
The weird thing is the amount of people who would unironically praise a female serial killer as the "ultimate girlboss". That is just plain disgusting and weird.
Left out an important detail... when Pam took that pen she tried to kill herself in the bathroom at the police station and stabbed her neck and her wrist many times. When they took her mug shot they had to bandage her neck because of all the pen holes.
Confirmation bias gets zero airtime, until now “Pam” is searing, excellent and very scary. How many “Pams” are watching this show and gloating? Love the art but not the underlying true crime. Hits close to home, pams are common as dirt.
The legit intelligence and forethought that she needed to have to pull all of this off and allude people for so long.... Can you imagine if it had been harnessed to put good into the world instead?
That’s just it - she wasn’t intelligent at all and made countless mistakes. The judge, prosecutor, and investigators were just outlandishly stupid and wanted their version of the story to be correct.
The Series Is AAA-Mazingggg!!! 10/10, Seriously Recommend... The Cast of Characters ALL Nail Their Respective Roles, But Reneé Zellweger as Pam Hupp is Chillingly Accurate & Devilishly Funny at the Same Time Lol!!! May Russ find some Peace after this Awful & Egregious Miscarriage of Justice on his End! Thank God for Joel Schwartz!!! And Props to the Creators for getting the Legendary Keith Morrison to Narrarate this Joint, as the Icing on the Cake Lmao! 🤯🤘🏻💯💪🏻😁
I tried to watch the show, and it wasn't anyone's fault that I couldn't finish it, I could tell the acting and production and writing were solid, I just found it so hard to watch because of what Betsy and then Russ were being put through.
Rene did a fantastic job making me hate Pam but laugh at the same time! The prosecutor and police department are straight up clowns, if anyone wants to commit a crime and get away with it go to Troy Missouri.
I'm watching. I have always loved Renee Zellweger, so I am happy to see her again! The case itself is such a frustrating one, the poor husband - I feel so badly for him.
Watched the last episode last night...great show the way they filmed it was so smart with drama and comedy at the same time. Renee Zellweger will get an Emmy nomination and rightfully should.....She was great in this show.
There is so much I feel the public was not aware of about this case. 1. It was revealed the prosecutor and lead detective on this case were having an affair. 2. They questioned Russell and gave him a polygraph test after he had been awake for over 24 hrs and was under the influence of Marijuana. 3. The change of benefiecery form did not even make it to the agent's desk until the morning after the murder.
Y'know, as big into true crime as I am, I'm surprised I hadn't heard of this case before the show, especially since the murder itself happened when I was a preteen. I didn't pay attention to the news back then, but I definitely should've heard of the case since then 🤔
The judge and the DA should have been disbarred. Also, the cops should have been fired. And the whole lot of them should have been arrested. Finally, the twelve jurors should never, ever, be allowed to serve on a jury again. Even with the suppressed evidence, Russ Faria had an airtight alibi. The DA's outrageous and unfounded theory, naming his friends as accomplices, should never have been factored into their decision.
I liked the tv show - it seemed like they were making fun of Pam’s lies and the incompetence of the prosecutors and police rather than the events of the case. It seemed like a really good depiction of the dark absurdity of her mental state rather than a mockery of the events
This happens every day…I experienced and kept silent about many things in a town and county in NJ m/10 minutes outside of Manhattan: judges bought off..bad cop standing behind a wall of blue..state records changed and attorney in bed w/them all. Trust me…It happens for lesser untrue crimes that are framed..all for ego..political power and connections…So to me: this is not shocking. For less: many have suffered, lied about and unjustly “ traumatized and tortured and many lives ruined..”. And many still alive and written records that prove as such…
This feels kinda fucked being based on something that actually happened. The actual woman who got murdered in 2011 lived in a neighborhood I used to live in. We basically heard horror stories there when I was younger. That, “Oh someone died there” and we always avoided the home like the plague.
@@przvany7213 not super young lmao. I’m 18, yet we didn’t live in the neighborhood when it actually happened. I think we moved there roughly a year or 2 after it happened
@@huskyloverlilac lol that is very young haha your comment makes sense now because you were a snack child when this happened so I can see why you would be scared of that situation
Watched the first episode last night. One of the phone calls to Betsy had the family dog barking on the recording. Ya think that would be a big clue that pam was there in the driveway.
I remember watching the documentary a while back and was shocked at the verdict, the prosecutors convinced the jury that the witnesses were in cahoots with the husband and even went as far as to keep his phone with them so he could go back to his house, kill his wife and make it back to the game night so it would look like he was with them the whole time. It was a clear miscarriage of justice and I’m glad he got a retrial and was released. It didn’t help that some of the wife’s family/friends didn’t have have nice things to say about him, they painted him out to be aggressive and violent even though he had never laid a hand on her, they did argue a bit and the marriage was far from blissful but that was blown out of proportion. Unfortunately sometimes when prosecutors want to get a verdict quickly, they don’t care who goes down, once they have a target on someone they won’t accept any other possibilities and tunnel vision happens.
It’s so odd to me that people judge how and what someone should feel, see, act and do when faced with a horrific moment in life. People respond to tragedy a myriad of different ways. “He didn’t see the stab wounds, and we found that suspicious”. Anything can seem suspicious once you’ve convicted someone in your mind.
If the guy who calls the police says the dead woman committed suicide and only describes the most obvious wounds, then when it turns out the dead woman has dozens of stab wounds, that's evidence the guy didn't murder the woman. If he stabbed her dozens of times he obviously wouldn't have used a lie that she committed suicide. Nevertheless, the investigators took his statement as proof of his guilt. 😒 This is a really troubling story. I hate to think of how many innocent people are in prison.
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I worked with Pam at the State Farm branch in St Charles MO. CRAZY to think that many days, it was just her and I there together. I met Betsy a few times. This story just shocked me so much! I had moved away from MO by the time this all happened. Very scary!
I don’t think the series makes light of the situation. Possibly Keith Morrison’s narration gives it a somewhat mocking overtone but Pam herself was an evil clown- making up brain injury so she gave rambling answers, literally skipping out of the courtroom after retaining Betsy’s life insurance money, etc. I just wonder if Russ and his stepdaughters ever had an opportunity to reconnect and reconcile.
I think the ruined relationship between Russ and his stepdaughter is almost as sad as the murder itself. In the Dateline episodes (most recent), it looks like the hurt feelings may keep a reconciliation impossible. And I can’t blame Russ for feeling that way. I hope time will heal the pain and someday they can reconcile.
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@@sweis03 And on NBC
For what? I've been watching it on Hulu.😂😂
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The most traumatizing part of this case is the fact that her husband had a solid alibi with 4 witnesses and a timestamped receipt. Like wtf? That's terrifying.
The American Justice System. Some of our citizens get judge, jury and sentencing at the hands of Beat Cops.
I'm not sure if this part was fiction, but on the show the prosecutor accuses his friends of helping him.
That was true she accused them of being involved and they must of helped him 😵💫
This is literally my worst nightmare. It happens more often than we think. Weed out the narcs in your life!
@Cheyabbe Bacom I agree! The scary part is this could happen to anyone.
A person who binge-watches Scooby Doo could do a better job solving the Betsy Faria case than the prosecutor or any of the cops at the time
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lol, well said.
Bless you and thanks.
ZOINKS!
Scooby do himself.
This is wishful thinking but the judge and the DA deserve JAIL. PERIOD.
Leah Askey & The Judge (Christine Mennemeyer I believe It Was?? 🤔🤷♀️) 1000% Most Definitely Deserve Jail Time In My Opinion!!! Askey purposely blocked things that would've exonerated him, had evidence destroyed etc., & the Judge Absolutely Allowed Askey's Shit Show of a Witch Hunt Prosecution Go On Smh... Off With Both Of Their Heads I Say Lol!!! Throw them in there with Pam Hupp's Psychotic, Manipulative, Diabolical & Deplorable Ass! 🤦♀️🤷♀️💀💯👌🏼😂😭🙄
As for the judge she was also disbarred, she tried to run again to be a judge but someone else was given the job. Other than that there’s nothing else known about what she does now, but from an article I read it looks like she still defends her actions lol
yes; totally agree
Yes!!!
@@lilymei5367 The prosecutor needs to be disbarred too. They all had psychopathic traits and for that reason worked well together.
I actually think the series is really well done. While at first Pam does seem a bit 'cartoonish' after a while that actually feeds into how sinister she really was.
I am so impressed with Renée Zellweger's acting. I'm really glued to this show.
exactly this. ive seen people complain the series is too campy but how else can you portray the stupid actions done by people involved? it wouldnt work in a serious series..
@@kevinlecointe4224 I am embarrassed to say this show has been like a drug to me. That's what I'm doing here. Pam was such a blatant amateur, it is confounding why it took so long to nail her. After all her cleverness, she now has a lifetime to mull it over. Perfect.
The last episode... she (her acting) creeped the hell out of me!! I think they chose a really good genre to tell this story. No matter how a drama was going to be made, it was going to offend the survivors, imho, because they are hurting.
Wow another Pamela and Karen.
This series shows that sometimes the police and the prosecution are not looking for truth but just for a conviction. Mr. Faria should have sued everyone.
He did, he won $2M.
Wrongful convictions happen more than most people know or think they do.
This is really about how society holds white blonde women at the very top of the food chain, all else is below.
@@canaryinacoalmine7267 its sensationalism thats why this got the traction it has. I mean think about the drama behind this story.
@@chrissybabyist Tax money paid his much deserved award. The incompetent malicious police, prosecutor, and judge were unscathed.
The detectives and prosecutor should be fired, sued, and disbarred. They completely overlooked EVERYTHING. This is what happens when cops and prosecutors suck at their job, want to do as little work as possible and get a conviction for their records
From what I’ve gathered Russ filed a lawsuit against the lead officers on the case and the prosecutor Leah Askey, who to this day still defends her actions lol, and was awarded $2million however there’s no statements saying the officers were fired so they most likely were not and either transferred to a different department or allowed to retire early. As for the prosecutor? Lol she was voted out of office and apparently had had multiple cases of hers be investigated and overturned. She now works at a private law firm. That whole city is corrupt.
@@lilymei5367 crazy. I can't believe she wasn't disbarred. Actually I can believe it, the whole world is corrupt.
I'm agree with you, and not only that, they plant false evidence to convict the guy.
-Russ sued & won $2M.
-The prosecutor still has her law license which should have been shredded.
-from what I have read the officers involved are no longer with the department.
@@lilymei5367 The prosecutor was just as psychopathic as Pam Hupp.
Say what you want about the limited series. No one can ever say Renee' Zellweger doesn't understand the assignment. She always shows up and never phones in a role.
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Agreed. AMAZING ACTRESS!!!
@@deej5608 Renee Zellweger did good job Too 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
@@noemiarmas5773 Huh? That's what she said!
True story, it's crazy to think this is the same actress that flat out NAILED the Judy Garland role.
The police dropped the ball on this one. The fact the husband had a alibi that would have been proven. It’s so easy to overlook stab wounds when you’re freaking out when you just found your wife’s body. I would have sued the hell out of everyone
Yeah I really feel sorry for the husband I definitely would had sued
If he killed her with dozens of stabs, he would have never tried to get out of it by saying she committed suicide. It was ridiculous that they took his statement to be evidence of guilt vs. evidence of innocence (i.e., evidence that he's someone who found a dead body and didn't know exactly what happened).
Well well well...January 2014 FOX NEWS 2 were the ones responsible for getting the retrial of the case. THERE! For all the liberals and general nutcases out there THIS goes to show that FOX gets to the bottom of everything! For 2 years FOX has been talking about the Hunter Biden laptop and ALL the MSM called it a conspiracy theory and a flat out LIE. NOW CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS are finally talking about it! America and the Western World it is time to WAKE UP! The news has been lying to you for years, especially the last TWO years. I've been watching the Mini-Series and decided to lookup this interview and was shocked that NBC acknowledged FOX as he ones that exposed this story and I just couldn't help myself by commented. Everyone needs to start reading and watching different NON MSM stations. I'm not saying FOX isn't one of the because Disney owns them and has since March 19th 2019. The Gateway Pundit pretty good if you're looking to expand your information...or possibly lack thereof. You be surprised at what you don't know which is scary as hell. Sorry to go on a rant but it's kind of hard not too because FOX really should have made the Series as they were the ones that broke it BUT because NBC is in the same bed they were able to make it. Start reading Independent news.
@Barb Wire saw a video where the present prosecuting atty is pressing charges against the past atty and law enforcement for their sloppy investigation and overlooking evidence!! Good for em!!
He did sue and was awarded $2million!
Renee Zellweger is awesome as Pam. The prosecution, judge and detectives all were incompetent. Russ and the daughters were treated horribly and unfairly.
They got the daughters to testify against Russ about arguments he had with their Mom and created a permanent rift. Russ was unable to forgive them for nearly sending him away to prison for life.
I've gotten hooked on this series. Renee Zellweger is brilliant and creepy in this show. The way she sips on cherry Dr. Pepper is hilarious. Hard to believe this actually went down in this day and age.
This day and age? Why do your say?
She acted just like the real evil Pam she was amazing in this serie
Not really. This is what "female empowerment" has gotten us. Pam is the natural result of allowing women to "live their own truth" no matter what reality shows.
This is what happens when police are lazy and prosecutors care more about convictions than justice. It happens more often than you think.
@@sowellsowell , sadly true.
I’m obsessed with the TV show! It’s so good. I look forward to it every week 😁
Me too!
I had never heard of it or her until today. Binged every episode today and can't wait for the next episode
Listened to the podcast and am definitely watching the series, but it's even more astonishing to see just how little the DA, judge, and law enforcement in that area seemed to care about facts over their own created narrative.
Sounds familiar doesn't it
Yeah.. that is happening on a national and global scale...
Bad Reviews?!?!? Why?!? Renee deserves an award for this performance!!!!! ;)
I think they're not trying to make the show be funny but what's laughable about it is that is how wrong the police and prosecutor got it. I mean they ignored all the signs that pointed to Pam. It's laughable how they were bad at their jobs and how they let Pam play them.
If they're not trying to make it funny, why the ridiculous fat suit?
@@cornnog because the real Pam was big not the actress
@@cicimonroe5611 Again, why the ridiculous fat suit? It's about as realistic looking as the ones used for Monica and Joey on Friends
I think it’s a very serious comedy, I don’t think it can be anything else.
@@cornnog I think it's better especially with the face prosthetics
Louis was my friend's neighbor; as she has said "we understand the desire to watch these kind of tv shows and movies. When someone is murdered there is an innate desire to understand why and what happened.. but we do want folks to be mindful that behind any exciting dramatizations, any glamorous Hollywood spin, the reality is that the woman preyed upon a mentally disabled man and murdered him."
I always find it so strange that we're fascinated by "true crime" when, if it happened in our own lives, we'd be horrified and revolted. Thank you for pointing out the reality of the situation while understanding people's interest in the story.
I was so disturbed by the scene of Louis's murder that I couldn't watch it. What a terrible thing to do to a good person & to take his life like he didn't matter to anyone! I am so glad that Hupp went to prison forever for this crime, even if her plea prevented her from hearing it come from a jury. Rest assured, though...she'll hear it from God. What you get away with here, you do not get away with There.
@@Mamacita82 His murder hit me hard when I heard him speak because it was obvious he was impaired and very vulnerable. Hell has a suite waiting for Pam Hupp with her name on the door.
Thank you for your statement. My brother is a little delayed and I can totally see him jumping in the car with some woman to make $1000. Of everything she did, that hit me the hardest
@@Mamacita82 It's heart breaking to hear his son went through a lot after he was murdered. I read he doted on his children and saw them off to school everyday. Their lives will never be the same.
Not only should Renee get nominated for an Emmy but she should win it just like Charlize Theron captured the essence of that other woman who was murdering men in Monster. There are very few REAL actresses & those two are in that small group. The others are just movie stars, not much depth to their movies but earning a ton of money. Like I've said before, they only have to fart & they make $5,000.
Also, some people are criticizing the series because it seems comical or exaggerated, but Pam was that way. Just goes to show you how delusional narcissists can manipulate anyone. And if there's one in your life, you're living in a mental hell.
oh god no she is horrible I barely got through it I would not recommend it
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I remember watching this case on Dateline and watching over her police interviews and I am ASTOUNDED at how the cops dropped the ball on this one. I don't understand the negative reviews about the show. The way I see it, the reason for the "comedic portrayal" is to showcase how ridiculous and theatrical Pam Hupp was as a person and to portray herself as this so called victim, completely undermining people's intelligence and knowledge. The fact that she went so long as a free woman must have been rewarding in itself for her. Once she felt the heat, she couldn't keep up.
This is horrifying. To Russ and the girls, I'm sorry. To Pam, we all answer for what we do.
Great series. I think Renee Zellweger should get an Emmy nomination for her portrayal.
I went to law school and watching the first trial and the investigation on this show pissed me off. It was such incompetent handling the judge should be off the bench and the prosecutor disbarred
The series got off to a bit of a bumpy start and didn't seem to be able to decide what it wanted to be at first. But when it settled down and began to dive deeper, it became really fascinating. And Zellweger's central performance is a key reason for that. It's riveting. In fact, the entire cast is does excellent work here, really drawing you into the story with every successive episode.
I think that is because they wanted it to feel like how things went in real life. The level of entitlement that Pam Hupp was given is blatantly indicative of gender politics, especially the "believe her even when reality tells you different". Three peopled died.. two of which never would have if Pam was where she ended up sooner.
I keep reading comments on the same line, and I think people are missing the point. The show starts with Hupp telling her own story. She's a narcissist, so everything is self-aggrandizing and even ridiculous and incongruous at times, just like her version of events and her statements to the police.
As the story unravels we get to see the story from a different perspective, which is even mentioned in one of the following episodes: Hupp's story is being told by someone else and the facade starts to fall.
I thought it was actually rather brilliant.
@@miaferrari958 , oh I agree totally. I just think the real irony of it is in how so easily she was allowed to go unchallenged by many who should have seen through her. She isn't even that attractive in real life.... but remember this is a network that knows it is impossible to make anyone as hideous as Hillary Clinton no matter how much make up or prosthetic latex used as well...
How are investigators, lawyers DA and judges allowed to get away with such bs (countless times) when peoples freedom are at stake with NO real consequences??
As for the judge there’s little to no info on her but shes no longer a judge she was suspended and never put back to work from what I’ve read
The judge was best friends with Leah. Plus apparently a few of the jurors knew Leah & the judge. Small town, the fix was in.
@@chrissybabyist She also had multiple other cases of hers overturned after she was voted out of the DA’s office, in one of those cases it rumored she asked witnesses to lie on the stand
@@lilymei5367 Leah Askey changed her surname but whatever her new name is she should also be barred forever from practicing law.
@@loralieisa I agree and from what I read I believe her new name is Leah Channey
I cannot believe that the cops prosecutor and judge were this incompetent
I can
Even if the cops were dumb enough to believe Pam and think Russ did it, this should never have gotten past the DA. It's almost like they were too lazy to investigate her at all. If it weren't for that reporter, Russ might still be in jail today.
I can 😂
Thankfully it seems like Tina was the only sane one in this whole case. From sending the photos that didn’t turn out & shredding the disposal of evidence order, which I thought you had to keep evidence for a certain amount of time.
@@peggypeggy4137 The Dateline reporter did make his release happen. I don't think the police DA or Judge had any regard for the truth and were more than incompetent but also malicious. They also poisoned his relationship with his step daughters.
I’m enjoying the series. I think what happened to Betsy and her husband is awful. It’s scary tho coz their are more ppl out there like Pam, but haven’t been caught or someone else is in jail for the crime. They just think their is no way a woman could do such a terrible crime that took place like Betsy’s.
And the murder is the star witness in the case, how scary.
@@homemakerworld4786 I know. The cops were so stupid.
I love how in the show she's referred to as "a nice lady", because, yes, narcissists present themselves as very nice people. "Being nice" doesn't equal being a good person.
It's part of their manipulation. They're so "nice" and helpful, and always there for you, but then they use that against you to mess you up emotionally (like in that scene when Betsy is DJing) or to gaslight you. When someone "really nice" flips and uses your trauma or insecurities to tear you down (specially when then they see you "happy"), run in the opposite direction.
Not all narcissists are murderers, but they can really f*ck up your life.
Yes my MIL is one and I challenged her last year after begin gaslighted by her.
You’re spot on! Very hard for a “ normal” person to identify a narcissist , when in doubt just run! 🙏🏼
Alot of people who've been molested get that!!! Thst 'nicey-nice" and GOOD SOLID TRUSTWORTHY HONORABLE are not necessarily n and the same.
Watched "The Thing About Pam"- Renee Zellweger was amazing in her transformation! It got the story of Betsy and Russ out there and captured attentions! Well done!!
I think they chose to depict this story as a dark comedy based on the outlandish way Pam presented herself and the way her witness testimony was ever-changing. At least that's the way I interpreted it as. Almost as if to say, "can you believe the audacity of this woman to have so many inconsistencies, and yet the prosecuting attorney and the local police dept. ate it all up as though it was gospel truth?" You really gotta wonder how so many people could be so gullible about something so blatent. Anyways, they had Russ pegged as the perpetrator from the word go, and worked the evidence to fit their agenda, as opposed to objectively looking at all angles. But it was ultimately Askey's tunnel vision that led this to trial, as she saw the opportunity to gain the notoriety to win her election.
I really feel sorry for the husband pam is truly a evil person to do such a thing thank god she's in prison
Best docuseries I've watched yet in 2022. Renee deserves a freaking oscar.
EMMY, you mean.
The series is really good. I didn't know about the case until the show
The show is really GREAT!!! This killer's your friend, neighbor, babysitter, play auntie, cat lady, Sunday school teacher, and friendly lady standing in line at your local grocery store... that's frightening!!!
Monsters look just like you or me.
@@sharonjensen3016 that's what's scary
Don't describe a true story about some disgusting person as great. Those who died are not for your entertainment
@@mewesquirrel6720 my apologies if I offended. The style and direction of the show was well acted. I knew about the story prior to watching the series. The victims are always overshadowed. I respect the lost of life. Let's remember to be mindful and respectful even in the virtual world.
The performances are stellar. 😅👍🏽
Wow! I need a Bailey Sarian video on this!
They are just getting started with Pam Hupp Lol, there's much, much more to come!
Other true crime youtubers have done this case
Kendall Ray has a good one
@@GC-pq6vm thanks I'll go check it out. 😊
"That Chapter" did a good video. Also watch Dr. Todd Grande's show on this.
I liked the dark humor in the show. From the very start where she talks about her getting through her friend’s cancer
I love the show! I love true crime and Renee captures the essence of pam
PLEASE make note that investigative journalists broke this case. A strong and free press is massively important to the health of our democracy and the truth. I'm not talking about crazy right wing nuts or left leaning cable. I'm talking about major network news that we can rely on (I know they're owned by corporations, blah, blah) and your local news outlets. Not perfect, just SO important.
Renee Z was so good in this and looked almost just like that bat shit crazy woman! This was a really good show and made such gruesome crimes a little easier to hear about.
The weird thing is the amount of people who would unironically praise a female serial killer as the "ultimate girlboss". That is just plain disgusting and weird.
Do you see any such comments? You just made something up and then got offended by it!
Left out an important detail... when Pam took that pen she tried to kill herself in the bathroom at the police station and stabbed her neck and her wrist many times. When they took her mug shot they had to bandage her neck because of all the pen holes.
Kinda reminded us how Betsy was killed.
@@chrissybabyist wow never thought of that, good call, how true!
@@Cat32215 Can’t take full credit, Morbid: A true crime podcast brought it up when they covered the Betsy Faria case.
Yes, that was shown in the series. I don’t think they had much time to talk about the entirety of her “attempted” suicide on this Ms. Mojo video.
I’m totally hooked on the movie Something about Pam I wasn’t sure I was going to like it but I do very very much it’s so good 😊
I'm thinking Renee will win the Emmy for her performance.
I agree , because I watched the dateline when it originally aired , she had Pam down to a T.
Confirmation bias gets zero airtime, until now “Pam” is searing, excellent and very scary. How many “Pams” are watching this show and gloating? Love the art but not the underlying true crime. Hits close to home, pams are common as dirt.
Toxic friendship level 100
I'm hooked on it. It's on at the moment in Australia. There's still 2 more episodes to go . It's fascinating but sad at the same time.
What a horrible person. Oh my gosh. People like this should never get out of prison.
The legit intelligence and forethought that she needed to have to pull all of this off and allude people for so long.... Can you imagine if it had been harnessed to put good into the world instead?
That’s just it - she wasn’t intelligent at all and made countless mistakes. The judge, prosecutor, and investigators were just outlandishly stupid and wanted their version of the story to be correct.
@@kevin_parkerson right when I first learned of this case I was like no one is this stupid, but the detectives & prosecutors were.
The Series Is AAA-Mazingggg!!! 10/10, Seriously Recommend... The Cast of Characters ALL Nail Their Respective Roles, But Reneé Zellweger as Pam Hupp is Chillingly Accurate & Devilishly Funny at the Same Time Lol!!! May Russ find some Peace after this Awful & Egregious Miscarriage of Justice on his End! Thank God for Joel Schwartz!!! And Props to the Creators for getting the Legendary Keith Morrison to Narrarate this Joint, as the Icing on the Cake Lmao! 🤯🤘🏻💯💪🏻😁
I tried to watch the show, and it wasn't anyone's fault that I couldn't finish it, I could tell the acting and production and writing were solid, I just found it so hard to watch because of what Betsy and then Russ were being put through.
Yes, it gets depressing as the episodes go on. If I didn't already know that he would be exonerated, I don't know if I would be watching.
It ends up on a good note. Hupp is in jail where she belongs. Renee Zellweger plays her to perfection.
Rene did a fantastic job making me hate Pam but laugh at the same time! The prosecutor and police department are straight up clowns, if anyone wants to commit a crime and get away with it go to Troy Missouri.
I suppose the Karenicity is high in those parts of the USA. Lol
I'm watching. I have always loved Renee Zellweger, so I am happy to see her again! The case itself is such a frustrating one, the poor husband - I feel so badly for him.
Watched the last episode last night...great show the way they filmed it was so smart with drama and comedy at the same time. Renee Zellweger will get an Emmy nomination and rightfully should.....She was great in this show.
Honestly one of the best Dateline episodes ever.
I think it’s awful how they threw the victim’s husband under the bus like that, talk about stupidity and incompetence.
They were also malicious when they threw him under the buss. They knew they had no case and withheld discovery from the defense.
It’s amazing how easily the police and DA were manipulated and then the crappy DA blames everyone but herself.
The prosecutor for this case should be disbarred.
great writing . crazy true story. great acting.
There is so much I feel the public was not aware of about this case.
1. It was revealed the prosecutor and lead detective on this case were having an affair.
2. They questioned Russell and gave him a polygraph test after he had been awake for over 24 hrs and was under the influence of Marijuana.
3. The change of benefiecery form did not even make it to the agent's desk until the morning after the murder.
Considering Betsy, Louis Huffingberger, and her mother, why is the death penalty off the table?
She hasn't been tried for Betsy's or her mother's deaths. Yet. It won't be off the table should that happen.
Y'know, as big into true crime as I am, I'm surprised I hadn't heard of this case before the show, especially since the murder itself happened when I was a preteen. I didn't pay attention to the news back then, but I definitely should've heard of the case since then 🤔
Loved Renee in this..she really can show how a guilty person can pull the wool over everyone's eyes because the killer seemed "nice and normal."
The judge and the DA should have been disbarred. Also, the cops should have been fired. And the whole lot of them should have been arrested. Finally, the twelve jurors should never, ever, be allowed to serve on a jury again. Even with the suppressed evidence, Russ Faria had an airtight alibi. The DA's outrageous and unfounded theory, naming his friends as accomplices, should never have been factored into their decision.
Why was everyone so hell-bent on convicting him? Anti-male prejudice?
Renee is such a fascinating actress to watch, she’s always been one of thee best impersonators imo!
Her face is spot on w the makeup person!
Great job
If I was was Russ I'd sue for a shit tone of cash 💸
Least they can do is help with bills after wrongfully accusing me.
He got 2 million!
@@GC-pq6vm good on him 👏 👍
Yes!! Watching. I feel so sorry for Russ. I feel so bad for Betsy's daughters and family. PH is a MONSTER!!!
This one of the funniest,sad & thrilling shows I have ever seen and it's Oscar worthy.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone put the stress on the second syllable in *integral* before.
Renee is great!!
This proves how flawed trials by juries are.
Incompetent police investigation and a biased/lazy district attorney's office.
I liked the tv show - it seemed like they were making fun of Pam’s lies and the incompetence of the prosecutors and police rather than the events of the case. It seemed like a really good depiction of the dark absurdity of her mental state rather than a mockery of the events
My name is Pam and I live in Rhode Island. When I saw his shirt in the show I was like AHH. POOR RUSS! He's been through SO MUCH
What the hell is going on?! How could the "detectives" and prosecutor not see this. This isn't a case that hind sight is 20/20 this is obvious.
They are so willing to believe women are dingbat airheads, that’s why.
I actually didn't know this was a true story 😲😲
I very surprised that she didn’t get to her husband before getting caught! That man is lucky to be alive!
This happens every day…I experienced and kept silent about many things in a town and county in NJ m/10 minutes outside of Manhattan: judges bought off..bad cop standing behind a wall of blue..state records changed and attorney in bed w/them all. Trust me…It happens for lesser untrue crimes that are framed..all for ego..political power and connections…So to me: this is not shocking. For less: many have suffered, lied about and unjustly “ traumatized and tortured and many lives ruined..”. And many still alive and written records that prove as such…
Sounds like Hudson County NJ. Though there are myriad other such locations in NJ.
Yup. Born and raised in Union County NJ. Rampant racism, xenophobia, and corruption.
@@loralieisa Hi and thanks for your response...Passaic County.....
@@fighttheevilrobots3417 Thanks for your response...Passaic County and against a woman and child...it is all so disgusting!!
Didnt know if I wanted to see this show but after seeing this I'm in...
I’m definitely watching PAM!
This feels kinda fucked being based on something that actually happened. The actual woman who got murdered in 2011 lived in a neighborhood I used to live in. We basically heard horror stories there when I was younger. That, “Oh someone died there” and we always avoided the home like the plague.
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Dang how young are you?
@@przvany7213 not super young lmao. I’m 18, yet we didn’t live in the neighborhood when it actually happened. I think we moved there roughly a year or 2 after it happened
@@huskyloverlilac lol that is very young haha your comment makes sense now because you were a snack child when this happened so I can see why you would be scared of that situation
Watched the first episode last night. One of the phone calls to Betsy had the family dog barking on the recording. Ya think that would be a big clue that pam was there in the driveway.
Yes I’m watching & I love Zellweger🌹
Just started it’s insane what this lady did
I remember watching the documentary a while back and was shocked at the verdict, the prosecutors convinced the jury that the witnesses were in cahoots with the husband and even went as far as to keep his phone with them so he could go back to his house, kill his wife and make it back to the game night so it would look like he was with them the whole time. It was a clear miscarriage of justice and I’m glad he got a retrial and was released. It didn’t help that some of the wife’s family/friends didn’t have have nice things to say about him, they painted him out to be aggressive and violent even though he had never laid a hand on her, they did argue a bit and the marriage was far from blissful but that was blown out of proportion. Unfortunately sometimes when prosecutors want to get a verdict quickly, they don’t care who goes down, once they have a target on someone they won’t accept any other possibilities and tunnel vision happens.
Totally amazing video Rebecca from ms mojo fantastic job like a boss.
It’s so odd to me that people judge how and what someone should feel, see, act and do when faced with a horrific moment in life. People respond to tragedy a myriad of different ways. “He didn’t see the stab wounds, and we found that suspicious”. Anything can seem suspicious once you’ve convicted someone in your mind.
I just binge watched the whole series yesterday! It’s great! What a weird story!
As a person who comes from St. Louis, this hits home and I’m so surprised I didn’t know any of this was happening 🤭
Don’t pay attention to the news?
Is that a question or statement?
I’ve enjoyed watching the show each Tuesday night. I didn’t follow the true life story but the Dateline show has me eager to see what happens next.
Renee's portrayal of pam was sooooo good omg the entire show was very well done but its like renee' became her
I don't think the TV show makes light of these crimes. Yes it's campy, but they are showing what this woman was like
Just finished this and omg how good is Renee playing pan she got her too a tee
If the guy who calls the police says the dead woman committed suicide and only describes the most obvious wounds, then when it turns out the dead woman has dozens of stab wounds, that's evidence the guy didn't murder the woman. If he stabbed her dozens of times he obviously wouldn't have used a lie that she committed suicide. Nevertheless, the investigators took his statement as proof of his guilt. 😒 This is a really troubling story. I hate to think of how many innocent people are in prison.
very very great crazy list I like it a lot very great job mis mojo
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I’m going home this evening after work to watch the series!
Show was dope...watch it all in a day...FML
🙋🏽♀️Me too!
I worked with Pam at the State Farm branch in St Charles MO. CRAZY to think that many days, it was just her and I there together. I met Betsy a few times. This story just shocked me so much! I had moved away from MO by the time this all happened. Very scary!
This is wild I live in Troy Missouri! I didn’t live here when these murders happened. But it’s wild I know some people that knew her
I don’t think the series makes light of the situation. Possibly Keith Morrison’s narration gives it a somewhat mocking overtone but Pam herself was an evil clown- making up brain injury so she gave rambling answers, literally skipping out of the courtroom after retaining Betsy’s life insurance money, etc. I just wonder if Russ and his stepdaughters ever had an opportunity to reconnect and reconcile.
I think the ruined relationship between Russ and his stepdaughter is almost as sad as the murder itself. In the Dateline episodes (most recent), it looks like the hurt feelings may keep a reconciliation impossible. And I can’t blame Russ for feeling that way. I hope time will heal the pain and someday they can reconcile.