3 TURNS FOR JUMPING

We spend a little time using the bladeprint as evidence. The general lesson here is that even a figure skating master can bumble the answer to two questions in a row. Watching this video through will be a good surprise test for y'all. Can you give a better answer than I did to both the spoon and double line questions? Criticism is welcome in the GARY MOVES space.

[@patriciawrona7136]

I think the spoon (basically a loop shape at the top of the three turn) is that the bottom toe pick was in contact with the ice throughout the turn, dragging from the entrance to the 3 turn, at the top of it, and on the exit as well. It is scraping that shape for the entire turn.

[@GaryBeacom-FigureSkater]

I think you are on the right track, Patricia, but sorry, I neglected to make clear the spoon is a filled in shape, so could only be made by scraping of blade as it turns at the midpoint of the turn. I just got back from the ice rink and confirmed my latest hypothesis: spoons can be avoided by pointing the toe to the very front of the blade at the point of the turn. The toe pick can even contact the ice ever so briefly at this instantaneous stop and reversal. A spoon can be on both forward and back turns if you don't respectfully point or flex the ankle to reach the very end of the blade at the point of the turn.

[@davidgibson8165]

Great video. I would think that the 2 foot take off for the Salchow should be okay as long as the free foot blade leaves the ice before the take off blade does. Otherwise they would have to use the same rule for loop jump ( when using the backward glide 2 foot entry )

[@GaryBeacom-FigureSkater]

You "would think", Dave? Ok, maybe it still fits the definition of "Salchow", but from judges perspective at least it is an inferior jump with any two-foot skating leading in. Loop included, and I must confess that mine is not as pure as I would like. Two-foot entries are a way of compensating for inferior skating skills. One-foot skating is part of the definition of Skating Skills, is it not? "A minimum of two-foot skating" has been part of the definition of the Figure Skating. Figures had minimal two-foot skating. Even back pushes were doable and more efficient on one foot at a time. So there!