No.. because then everything they say will be 100% true to them because they speak from the Bible and speak the word of “God” so knowing that they’ll be asked hard questions.. it probably will never happen
Any myth is just people going with their first theory. Their first explanation for something. If those people took a little bit more time to think about it, they would find better explanations. All of science is people finding explanations for unexplainable phenomena.
@@agenttriplea1937 what do you intend to accomplish by behaving this way? its probably you, not what people believe as they see, god. imagine being young and talking.
I really wish I had 3 hours to sit down on JRE and just have a rational and thoughtful talk about God and the Bible. I love how Joe handled this interview and others like it about the Bible and God, but I hope he brings out some people who actually think about these sorts of things for a living.
That the bible represents the compressed knowledge and philosophy of thousands of generations of humans put into a form that can be useful to anyone human today...which is only doable via storytelling? What's so hard about that? Do you also have trouble with the Lord of the Rings series? (Hint: Orcs, Elves, and Dwarves do not exist...they are all humans)
@@fortusvictus8297 Well I guess nothing but that's not how he articulated himself.. I was also being a little sarcastic, was hoping he may elaborate or tell me something new.
@@fortusvictus8297 The Bible does not represent "the compressed knowledge and philosophy of thousands of generations of humans." It doesn't contain any knowledge at all. What a joke.
This viewpoint is simply a kind of evolution of Christianity, it allows all of the teachings of the bible to remain intact, and it somewhat prevents the circumstance of someone questioning how, for example, Jesus fed five-thousand-it makes the bible a lesson more than a non-fictional word for word recount. This guy is still incredibly religious and devoted, just looks at it in a modern way.
Just as confident as a Christian declaring every other religion mythologies. Unless you can prove to me it’s possible for anybody on this planet to walk on water or survive several days inside a whale or what ever other supernatural claims in the Bible that defies the laws of physics then us rational people have no reason not to consider the Bible mythology
@@morenitomoreno1282 there was actually a dude who got swallowed by a whale and spat out later not too long ago in the US, but he wasnt in there for that long. Also the 3 day myth is a very common theme in religion because the sun rises and sets at the same place for 3 days during both solstices everywhere on earth. Peace
exactly, i like rogan but when it comes to Christianity, he seems totally ignorant and has elementary arguments that have been disproven hundreds of years ago but since the audience is young and have never heard the arguments, they think its new info.
Walking on water could relate to walking above a certain mindset, rising from the dead could relate to shedding one’s old consciousness and emerging “reawakened” . Of course I just kind of came up with that on the fly.
Please reread your copy of the Old Testament. It’s in there. Like he said, the New Testament IS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the retelling of the Old Testament. Also, the OT is the retelling of many other myths: Horus, Mithra, Dionysus, Appolonius, etc. For example, Attis of Phrygia: born on Dec 25 from a virgin, considered a savior of mankind, was crucified on a tree, he descended into the underworld and after three days, was resurrected. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. One can find 20 God myths predating the OT that have a list of at least 10-12 of the same attributes.
When a physicist explains physics to a child they don’t just show the child a complex mathematical formula, they tell the child a story they can relate to and begin their understanding.
I agree. The bible is mathematical formula and the story of it is also a result of that formula. The esoteric teachings of the human body/mind's potential is also.
Myths are figurative in the language. We're not _that_ figurative as we once were. To take what is written in the Bible literally, is to make a mistake, and to dodge thinking about what the meaning could be. Nothing is free.
@@thebeanymac Sure, the parables May have been examples for the people to relate to. But to say that nothing in Bible can or should be taken literally is simply a weak, un-supported opinion.
@@jamesh6650 Nope. The view has been long established, since the poets of old, since before the Bible. You haven't understood. Read Joseph Campbell as a start. Look at what George Lucas has to say, somewhere in his interviews, who studied Campbell. There are stark lessons in the Bible for a good life, like many other holy books, but only if the language is taught to you through various means, that is: _how_ to read such work. I've done that through the study of mythology, not what is told, but _how_ the stories are told. Mythology holds the oldest way we know to tell a story, to impart wisdom, and to entertain as well. Learning is only gained through effort, and reading works like the Bible are not easy.
well he's not saying "mythological" as in fake...he means "mythological" in the sense of the bible being a symbol for a much greater meaning..as in the "cross" is not God...the cross is a symbol of God..and God's work/love is everywhere
I’m glad I’m not alone, I turned it off to. Hit pause and started reading comments. Very similar to Listening to my half drunk neighbor on a Saturday afternoon.
So its the lesson that is true knowledge And with great power comer great responsibility. So we must learn from our self and the past. Our biggest enemy is knowledge which leads to arrogance and narcissistic
Some facts about the Bible (imaginatively named after the Ancient Greek for “book,” “biblos”): 1. the “book” is a collection of texts written by multiple authors over centuries. 2. The texts are examples of different genres, notably including laws (a favorite genre of the ancient near east, where the Old Testament was written in Hebrew), historical narrative, and Epistles (from the Latin word for “letter,” “epistula,” the letters were written in Greek, like the rest of the New Testament). 3. In terms of piecing together the past to learn about God (a primary purpose of the Bible), we couldn’t ask for better historical evidence, which again includes historical narrative and letters written by primary sources, for example Jesus’ disciples). 4. In terms of written history (historical documents pre-printing press written by hand) no other ancient or medieval text comes close to the amount of evidence we have arguing for the textual integrity of the individual texts that comprise the Bible.
Shame the modern world wants more proof as, by today's standards, there is no definitive/ultimate proof the Bible was written by the authors. I only need faith, and trust the one who said, paraphrasing here a bit, my facts speak for me
@John Mateus copy and pasted from a Protestant website: How Did the Apocryphal Books Become Part of Some Bibles? Actually no one knows for sure how the apocryphal books came to be part of some copies of the Old Testament. Many, however, think that the extra books were added when the Old Testament (originally written in Hebrew) was translated into Greek. This Greek translation of the Old Testament is called the Septuagint and was produced by Jewish scholars in Alexandria, Egypt about 250 B.C. This theory is based on the fact that the earliest copy of the Septuagint available today contains these extra books, while none of the Hebrew Scriptures contain them. These books, along with the rest of the Bible, were translated by Jerome into Latin around A.D. 400, but Jerome himself did not think they belonged in the Old Testament. Why Don’t We Accept the Apocryphal Books? (1) Even though the Septuagint existed in New Testament times and was available to the New Testament writers (the Book of Hebrews quotes from the Septuagint), there are no direct quotations from the Apocrypha in the New Testament nor does the New Testament refer to any apocryphal books as part of Scripture. (2) No general church council in the first four centuries of Christian history endorsed apocryphal books. While some early Christians thought highly of these books, others, such as Athanasius, Cyril of Jerusalem, Origen and Jerome opposed them. (3) While Augustine accepted the Apocrypha, his list is not exactly the same as that found in Catholic Bibles [for example, he omitted Baruch, which is in the Catholic Bible, and he included 1 Esdras, which is not in the Catholic Bible]. Furthermore, Augustine seems to have changed his mind from accepting the Septuagint as authoritative to later recognizing that only the Hebrew Scriptures were inspired. (4) Even the Roman Catholic Church did not officially recognize the Apocrypha as belonging in the Bible until the Council of Trent in A.D. 1546-Catholicism’s response to the Reformation. (5) The Apocrypha appeared in Protestant Bibles even before the Council of Trent and on into the nineteenth century but were placed in a section separate from the Old and New Testaments.
@John Mateus What the man's said above. No anger/offense towards you, but fuck Catholicism; They're the ones that first started to stereotype the idea of Jews being penny-pinchers solely bc they were fine with separation of church/temple and bank. Even though Calothics were basically bribing peasants to be 'cleansed' of their sins. That covered up pedophilia for centuries. No. Apocryphal is an understatement in regards to the book.
The greatest thing about biblical myths is that they beautifully illustrate eternal features of human nature and all the social problems we deal with. Even if you are an atheist it's worth studying those myths because they are great stories, excellently retold and they are mirrored by the world we live in today
It's also a huge guide to realities. For instance, there's a phrase in the bible where it states that killing a man in your home at night is fine, but if you kill him in your home in the day time, it's not ok. At first this might seem like non-sense, but in reality, yes society will factually treat you different, especially back then, if you kill someone at night vs the day time. Your neighbors would see you as defending your home at night but they would be super suspicious and probably convict you if you did it in the day time. Especially if you consider it before forensics and technology which was almost ALL of human existence
It was my study into religion which led to me and my current belief system where if there is a all mighty God, which I think there isn't, it is not a good being and simply doesn't care about anything besides itself.
But just as silly. While one can easily get a lot of wisdom out of the Bible, one can also get a recipe for disaster. This is true of all holy books and myths.
I agree both obviously chauvinist and narrow minded, Yet lacking the emotion content and empathy of a ROCK IN TYHE DIRT but filled with hypocrisy like most religious zealots in history always have been. Nailed it. Just Like Jordan Peterlips
Jordan Peterson is a huge disappointment on the topic of religion. To simple question like: Do you believe in god or resurrection? The meaning of words like god, belief, truth, dead or alive become totally incomprehensible. Suddenly he turns ultra postmodern, non binary, fluid...Depak Chopra-esque woo-woo.
Mythology, poetry, law, theology, philosophy, history--- the Bible contains all of this. Different books in different genres. It's very complex. I do appreciate Mamet's focus on the mythological and allegorical aspects.
@@jaygreen4121 LOL. No. Or are you one of those guys who thinks the 'wheels' Ezekiel encounters are aliens or UFOs? In a sense, they are. Nonhuman intelligences.
Rising from the dead was also OT (eg Samuel) but yeah you are correct (Also Job 9:8 refers to walking on water but this is in worship, not in actual recorded action so not quite the same)
Joe: (sets up a question with a framework that intentionally misses the point of what's happening) Mamet: (tries to answer with his limited understanding to the beat of his ability)
If you listen to this whole podcast, this dude is all over the place and makes very little sense. I really appreciate the tidbits joe can pull out of him that are truly good knowledge
Joe says two things people find hard to believe about the Bible from the Old Testament. But people (Lazarus and Jesus) raising from the dead and (Jesus) walking on water or both from the New Testament.
did any of you miss the line about myths being dramatic retellings or are you really all these type of narcissist atheists trying to pwn religion like its your step dad. incredible
Three people are raised from the dead in the Old Testament as well. 1 Kings 17:21-22, 2 Kings 4:35, and 2 Kings 13:21. All of them focused around the prophets Elijah/Elisha.
I hope he was walking on water...maybe they meant walking through water puddles and Lakes while baptizing people..or on something so fast like water skiing your really walking on water!! But it may have been literally aswell🤫
So much bias in the comments. No wonder JRE is hated by so many. Its crucial to understand that entertaining an idea and agreeing with it are two separate things. If anything, I'm glad that he brings on a variety of guests to share their perspective, regardless if I agree or not. I think he should have someone on the opposite side of David Mamet next so we can get a full exposure.
That's why I appreciate the show so much. I really don't understand where the hate comes from because he brings on so many different guests with different viewpoints. It's not misinformation or malice, it's a platform for discussion. People are scared of subjecting themselves to a larger forum, and in that fear and cowardice, they themselves end up being the ones that spread misinformation.
Well, he always has someone on the opposite side. He has never had a Christian apologist in the show ever. He has had almost exclusively atheists when discussing religion or people than don't focus on it like Ben Shapiro.
@@dan6481 This guy turned around and said PragerU is someone he listens to. The second I heard that you know he is a far right christian nut job that want to bring on the apocalipse because they get to go to heaven. Pretty evil ideology.
This is the same thing you're taught if you study at his Atlantic Theater acting school. His remark about rationality refers to the fact that you don't want to see a play where the conflict has a rational solution or its themes and subject matter are about rational issues.
*EVERY* book is written by a man with agenda and if you have to search like this for meaning its nonsense. Commandment 1 would be "Thou shalt not split the atom" not "Don't go making any statues of other people my poor little ego couldn't take it" 😏
The age of grace aka church age is soon coming to an end. Global financial collapse is being engineered by the agents of satan/nwo to bring about great reset. They want to collapse the dollar and wipe out everyone's finances to make them hungry and desperate enough to buy into their nwo system and recieve the coming mark of beast on hand or forehead. Without this no man can buy or sell. Revelation 13. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Police state/martial law coming soon. Quarantine centers aka concentration camps will be activated around the world from this covid agenda. America will be nuked and invaded by russia and china in near future thanks to treasonous us govt. Repent and seek jesus christ for salvation.
I WAS AN ATHIEST UNTIL QUANTUN PHYSIC'S , PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND THE SHROUD OF TURIN LEFT ME NO ROOM TO DOUBT THAT INTELIGENT DESIGN IS THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION TO LIFE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING . I HAVE NOT READ THE BIBLE BUT I WILL SINCE I HAVE LEARNT THAT SOME OF THE MOST UNBLIEVEABLE STORIES IN IT ARE TRUE . GN FROM AUSTRALIA GOD AND BLESS ✌😇
If your gonna open up these discussions ,which I love, it would be awesome to bring in great Bible Scholars. Those who can give some true history on the history of the scriptures. There are plenty.
The scriptures aren't history, unless you want to talk about the council that wrote it. They may use real historical places or people but that's as far as it goes as them being historical. They are children's stories and nothing more.
@@Spectre-wd9dl Bro, Jesus was a real person and is well documented through multiple eye witness accounts. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This is real history.
@Jgehff Hkinkcle it’s the whole basis of western culture. Like it or dislike it. Believe it as literal or not. There are truths that run deep in the story’s told in that book.
I listened to this podcast today at work. While I echo a lot of this guys sentiments, he had an awfully hard time articulating them. This was no different than listening to my father in law after a couple PBR’s.
Joe is asking about the "preposterous" parts of the Bible and David is just saying that its just a part of the story for exaggeration but the lesson is still there. Just like MCU (which echos the Bible), there's total exaggeration but that doesn't mean the characters don't face dilemmas that a regular person goes through as well.
The Bible changed my life for the best, and it is completely true. Before yall write me telling me what a fool I am, save it, I've already heard it all. " I would rather be a fool to the world because I believe in God and his Word, than a fool to God, because I believe the world" (Basically)
I was an atheist who messed with witchcraft 7 months ago, it’s more real then people would like to admit. Do your research, science proves gods existence just stop being blind atheists.
@@andrewsmith9677 Amen, I used to dabble in all kinds of things, also. I learned my lessons the hard way and I'm so grateful to God and his angels for saving me. I'm so glad he saved you too, he wants to save everyone. God bless you on your journey, brother
So you read the bible, saw the mass murder and vile acts committed by your god and decided "yeah I like that"? And if the bible s true, why can no one prove it, and it is so easy to disprove?
But didn't "the world write/told you the word of God? That would mean your believing in the word of the world not God, unless you've had real experience with your "god" then you've been fooled by the word of the world
Two jokes are told at the end of the full podcast. After the first one Joe Rogan explains to David Mamet that it is not a good joke. Stone faced the Pulitzer Prize winner tells the second joke which is not meant to be funny and is given approval, but truly receives confirmation.
Give one example of one and we can tell you why... They inherently lie and refute evidence that is sometimes decades old. Speak up @LIFE IS AMAZING, show us these scholars and "outspoken" Christians. Couldn't be Jewish though right? They are not biblical scholars? What about Richard Dawkins? He talks at length about Christianity with far more eloquence, honesty and fact than any OUTSPOKEN CHRISTIAN aka an Atheist, you are one. Remember all men are created equal and there are 3000 Gods "all men" believe in, so you say 2999 don't exist and the definition of an Atheist is "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods." SO ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ATHEIST!!!! :)
When discussing ancient books, it’s has to be mentioned their lack of knowledge on simple things like weather. If I’m in ancient times with very limited knowledge and say it starts to thunder and lighting, I would think damn we pissed someone off up there! Or an earthquake would very well give the same but opposite directional thought?!? All I’m saying is stories are stories and we’re in the year 2022. Something’s from the Bible are pretty good for humanity, but to live your entire existence based on a book is insane.
Mamet is a unique filmmaker and screenwriter. Most of his films are exceptional and the ones that arent are still interesting because of his peculiar style
Man I would've loved to have Hitchens's take on Jordan Peterson, Trump and JRE. Beyond that, imagine all the talks we could've had between him and Douglas Murray, since him there's been an explosion of great female comedians and I would've loved to hear his take on whether he'd revise his old stance on whether or not women can be funny and so on. Hitchens really did die way too soon.
No shit. Mamet is going all Jordan Petersen here and it makes me sad. Let's circle the drain of attaching these old myths to modern life because they are sooooooo useful. Blah, blah, blah.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Joe would have let him talk and explain everything instead of trying to confuse or sidetrack him like most interviewers did.
The bible is thousands of years old and has been translated many times. Despite that, it is still relevant with applicable wisdom for those that are able to receive it.
See epic of Gilgamesh. It predates Old Testament by hundreds of years. They’re stories from Semitic people that were oral traditions before making their way to written word. It is a weapon used by .2% of population to control the rest of the world. More importantly, it is their tool for survival.
Dude is no one else gonna mention how at 2:30 - 3:15 he goes on this strange tangent about how he thinks atheists believe in global warming, want children to be trans, for men to be able to compete in woman’s sports, and that all of this is “human confusion, because we trust our senses and we trust our mind, and our mind doesn’t work real good.” “We’re very cunning but we’re not very smart human beings.” He then proceeds to say that ALL of this is the message of the Bible… pretty obvious he’s just making it up as he goes…
While you _can_ interpret the Bible as a message of humility, many people treat the Bible as a source of certainty and confidence. A common criticism of atheism is the lack of a frame of reference which is supposed to lead to decay of moral principles.
Oh your full of it, having no belief in a imaginary sky daddy is not a decay of “moral” I don’t need religion to tell me killing someone is wrong, or that I’m a good person based on so. And the worst argument I heard as well as others is this quote from the religious “if there is no god what’s stopping you from killing and raping everyone you want” and our answer is this, I have killed and raped everyone I wanted and that number is 0 you sick evil F###.
"A common criticism of atheism is the lack of a frame of reference which is decay of moral principles." Right, so by all means let's plant our frame of reference and set of morals squarely on a magical man in the sky and his teachings. Seems reasonable.
By this guys logic, the Bible would be no different than any other religious text as it imparts some wisdom on humanity. The issue is however is that a large majority of Christians do consider the the Bible to be the literal word of God and that the mythologies actually occurred. If all religious works were presented in the context of a collection of wisdom from previous generations, but not to be taken too literally….the entirety of world history would be different as there would likely have been much less religious war
I would argue that many don't, actually. How many people genuinely believe that the Bible is the literal word of God? If it was the majority of people calling themselves Christian believed that we wouldn't be in the world we are in today. I think it's like anything else, a small group of fanatics has the loudest voices and most strident position, but they are certainly not the majority of Christians.
@@scratchpenny just reporting in to say that i believe that the Bible is the literal word of God - am a Christian conservative evangelical. i also believe in UFO’s, so take that as you may (P.S. the Bible actually has chapters that can be interpreted as having UFO’s interacting with humanity - e.g. the account of the prophet Ezekiel)
That’s why there’s a separation of church and state. It’s just that some people don’t understand that there’s a new church and it’s called wokeism or whatever name you want to give it. Instead of confession I have to put a black square on my IG or shit like that.
@@KM-iv8mf Fair enough, but it's not the majority of professed Christians, in my estimation. As I am sure you know, you represent a particular sect but not the whole of Christendom. And many people believe in the tenets of Christianity but don't actually believe in Christ or God. I can't tell you how many Catholics I know are like that. And that's why I mentioned that our very secular society wouldn't be where it is today if most Christian people actually believed the Bible was the literal word of God.
Imagine writing the Bible originally as just a side project or joke. And then it falls into the hands of a random person and now the whole world is following whatever it is you wrote.
@@chuletajones6833 who is this person? It would have been interesting to have Ravi zacharias before he passed (and had his severe secret issues) I’m thinking of John MacArthur,Jack Hibbs, Denis Prager, I’m not well informed on good apologetic people but it would be a refreshing to have a pastor or well read practicing Jew (that’s not Ben Shapiro) on.
@@AdrianGarcia-ww1ik WLC is william lane craig. Ravi should stay forgotten because of how much of a fraud he was. I'm actually an Atheist but there are a few apologists who's intellect I hold in high regard. I've only ever seen WLC lose once and that was against sean carroll.
Anyone who has taken actual theology classes will learn, the Bible is a patchwork, 66 books over 40 authors over thousands of years.. it’s not metaphorical but it has metaphors, it isn’t all literal but it has tons of literal events historic people and events, it is all poetry but has tons of poetry, it has apocrypha but isn’t just apocrypha, … it’s all these things.
Ya, and once it's been downloaded in your head there's no getting rid of it. I didn't realize how much the devil played a part in my mind till I did lsd a few times. There that fucker was big as day trying to scare the shit out of me. I can thank those sweet old lady Sunday school teachers for the introduction, they apparently knew him well.👿
@@phaedrussmith1949 if Phaedrus is your real name I like it, though I probably wouldn't know how to pronounce it. I like your comment as well. Ya really gotta wonder what the world would be with out those pesky little words. Once you're introduced to them ya can't hardly 'see' without them. So Jesus said you must become as a child again, hmmm.
@@gabrieledwards1066 - What difference would it make? It's not what Ehrman knows about what is written, it's about what can be proven. Every theological argument by it's very nature is fallacious. Can Ehrman prove a God that created the Universe and everything in it actually exists? No..he cannot. So what does it matter how educated he is concerning the Bible? Why should anyone care what the Bible says if it cannot be proven to be divinely inspired?
@@donmiller2908 "it cant be proven therefore I choose not to look into it" prove to me that your gonna get your paycheck from your job next week. Prove it!!!!!! You cant prove it
There's some wisdom when David said: " Do you believe the Bible is the literal work of God? Rabbi says no." " But is it possible? Rabbi says yes." It's so easy to point out what is wrong with the bible, but it's not the details of the story that is as important as the message of the story imo. Events in the bible needs to be taken and read in the context it is presented in, for example, the creation of man in Genesis is a poem, to bring our the message of the limitations of man in contrast to the magnitude of God. If people read it with the lens of how you would read a newspaper article, we're missed the point of the story.
Interesting you mention Genesis without mentioning a world map or the Devil Himself . Search for Italy and zoom out a little bit . I’ll let you conclude on your own . Try a nighttime view , too . Brightest place on earth . “ Let There Be Light “ . Ok , no need for me to rant . Hope you look for yourself . Most never do .
It's easy to point out what's wrong with the bible when one doesn't believe and doesn't study it daily as it is intended to be but when you do believe, give your life to Christ and read it every day it becomes impossible to refute. I've read so much from scholars and philosophers and nothing comes close to the wisdom, sound philosophy, and moral fortitude the bible gives you. And that's just scratching the surface.
Will y’all just look at a map , search for Italy , and zoom out ? Will y’all try a nighttime view , too ? “ Let There Be Light “ can be seen as the brightest place on Earth . Welcome to reality . You’ve seen Our Creator with your own eyes . Most people never look . Will you admit to being able to see what we can all see ?
Just listened to the podcast. I like his view on the Bible; reasonable, sensible. AND…I wish I agreed with anything else he spoke on. Every difficult question was answered with “I don’t know”. Honestly…I didn’t understand any of his answers, not that he actually answered any ….they were only met with stories. Stories that were only loosely relevant. The last 2 hours were painful to listen to tbh.
Neither one of them even know what they are talking about. Joe starts by talking about to things that are from the New Testament, says they are in the old testament. Then David Mamet continues to say the old testament is bunch of stories. Imagine listening to two people talk about the bible that don't have a clue about what they are talking about!
He was very hard to listen to. I did like his biblical views, the few that he actually got out of his mouth. He’s still pretty archaic in his thinking though
Hey Joe, have John MacArthur, or James White, or Voddie Baucham or John Piper on your show sometime. Would love to hear a conversation between you and an intelligent Christian leader who doesn't believe what the bible says is a myth.
I don't think Piper would be a good fit. John MacArthur used to go on Larry King, so he might work. Voddie Bauchman also does JiuJitsu, so he might know how to talk to Joe. I also think Matt Chandler or JD Greer would be good guests
If Joe was smart, he wouldn't invite John MacArthur because MacArthur would blow Joe's mind with Biblical truth rooted in decades of scholarly research. I would pay for tickets to see that. Voddie would be great as well.
Speaking in tongues converted me to Christianity. When you or your wife start speaking in Hebrew/Arabic it’s the Holy Spirit. Youl never understand it until you experience it. God bless. (Good word this guy).
I've noticed something interesting and I'm not sure why it is but evertime a Jewish person interviews they always mention they are jewish and refer to it a lot. Even when I meet new friends the Jewish ones always mention in conversation they are Jewish. It's interesting to me.
Impossible because all you know of it is bullshit that you chose to believe as the truth. Embrace not knowing and don't be a dickhead to people around you. The end.
So maybe the people put together the Bible because it was a time when people would believe them to actually be true and they didn’t expect or prepare for a society that would progress so differently? Or the creators of the Bible actually thought it all true because they were as open to the stories as everyone else at the time?
His argument falls apart because we are living in a time when secretly, the people who control this planet are forcing revelations through technology and social conditioning.
@@dylanwestrand9507 Either way it completely rediculous to base ones life on those stories. Religion is evil. Bible is nothing but a tool to help control the masses.
The problem is when people continue to take it literally when we know better now, but they didn't know better then (back when these stories were created). I wouldn't even go as far as David takes it- he's basically presenting it as though they knew they were writing myths. I have no doubt there were some stretches added in over the years and through translations to add some flavor (like any modern day fish story), but my interpretation is that as far as the writers knew- what they were saying was, for the most part, true. For example- there are "great flood" stories in almost every religion and culture. Do I believe there was a "great flood" at some point in history? Yes. Do I believe the entire world was underwater and one boat carried two of every living thing aboard? No. That's not to say that as far as the people telling the story knew, the "whole world" might represent only a few square miles that they've ever seen and experienced. So as far as they know, it's accurate. And as far as how long this went on, how exactly are they keeping accurate time? Then as these people told their story to someone else, that person also had the same experience (albeit a different area, and different animals, etc.) and added in their two cents. Then this story got told to their grandchildren. Then- several thousand years later- all these clay tablets are found talking about these "similar" stories, translated into another language and lumped into one big story. And now we think of it as meaning one person "saved the world" story. That's what makes the most sense to me at least. But at the end of the day, none of these details really make a difference. The point is in the moral of the story and the wisdom passed along over thousands of years of human debauchery. Right from wrong. Good from bad. As long as that's the take away, who really cares about the literal meaning. In fact, the people that take it literally, are just as dangerous (if not, more) as the people that have no moral compass in life. Why? Because they use their literal interpretation of the Bible to justify immoral behavior. Which is almost worse than being ignorant to morality to begin with. But that doesn't mean that people should just toss the Bible because it doesn't "all add up". There are several lessons to be learned and many takeaways.
Why? So he will have a tiny little narrow view of everything from now on instead of an inquisitive mind that brings on awesome guests and explores a multitude of subjects?
I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word. Once you experience the holy spirit of God enter you then you KNOW it's not a myth. It's also not logical to say the Bible is full of myths when the books of the Bible that are Histories have been proven to be supported by archeologist over and over again. The problem is that there are too many part time scholars who THINK they know everything because they study a little here and there and then find something they don't like and want to harp on it. Without the holy spirit to guide you in pursuit of a greater understanding your just treading water in an endless ocean that is too great to comprehend by yourself. Yet what prideful man who is full of himself will ever admit he wasn't enough. Wont they always blame what they can't comprehend instead of taking a deeper look at themselves? Too much self pride always comes before a fall into humility. Know that God is not a myth. Instead understand that he is everything and everywhere. He is always there beside us even though he gives us the freedom to decide on our own if we will do good or evil. We are not little biological robots that are preprogrammed into slavery. We hold the responsibility for our own actions and choices. Freedom to choose good or evil means the responsibility for good and bad in the world is OURS. You are free to choose. I hope you make choices that bring joy and happiness into your life. The second commandment Jesus gave was to love yourself so that you could love your neighbor as yourself. If your heart if full of self loathing or hate then the world you create is one where everyone hates themselves and each other. The secret to loving yourself is to admit that you human and that you can make mistakes. Forgive yourself and ask others to forgive you too. Yet, forgiveness comes from repenting. Repenting means to be sorry for what you have done and to do your best not to do it again. Make peace with yourself by admitting to yourselves the wrongs you have done and then repent. As you gain forgiveness, you will find that you can look the person in the mirror in the eyes again and start to love again. Love yourself. Then love others as you love yourself too. It's your choice to make because you are not a slave but a person with the freedom to choose. Choose wisely and God bless =)
Condescending and arrogant people like you is the part of the reason people turn away from religion. When you say "I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word", you are implaying to have some degree authority or sense about what's the real word of god. You claim to experience the holy spirit of god when you wrote: "Once you experience the holy spirit of God enter you then you KNOW it's not a myth". How do you know for certain? because you feel it? because god himself enlighted you? How do you know it was not some psycological phenomena in the state of extacy? Yet you also say: "Wont they always blame what they can't comprehend instead of taking a deeper look at themselves? Too much self pride always comes before a fall into humility". Then you should take a deep look at yourself. Your first statement reflecs arrogant pride "I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word." Another claim of yours: "Know that God is not a myth. Instead understand that he is everything and everywhere. He is always there beside us even though he gives us the freedom to decide on our own if we will do good or evil." is a pantheistic view that plenty of PhD schoolars would disagree.
Everyone has a different interpretation of holy books. & everyone thinks they're right. Ironically, most people have never even bothered to read the entire book they're interpreting.
Exactly, so since that being the case, how do people justify their beliefs when they don't even know the whole truth of their own faith? When people say they are Christians, for the most part, that to me says they haven't even read it from cover to cover.because once you do, if your being honest, it's filled with historical inaccuracies, immoral positions, and a god who thinks eternal torture is justified punishment for the slightest infraction, wow sign me up!
I like what he said about the Rabbi when they asked him “Do u believe God wrote the Bible” “No” “Do u believe it is possible God wrote the Bible” “Yes”
I believe that the bible is a collection of stories that was passed down orally, or in written text over thousands of years by people that had the same supernatural experiences
@@edzanjero353 uhuh but think of the possibility that it did happen and just didn't get added because it sounded impossible, which is why he said "DID NOT happen"
@@edzanjero353 also those crazy impossible things that sound out of this world could have actually happened whether they were awake and sober or seeing a vision from a dmt or something else. Also this world is so crazy and complex that the bible doesn't seem too far fetched
I think we have the inner faculties to hold the 'both' in life. Parables seem like wondrous containers of knowledge, and yet non need be actually true to be useful. Love these type of discussions. Thanks!
That's an interesting angle I've never heard, he did a great job of explaining something very technical in the world of relationship between the believer and unbeliever...makes sense!
@@blindi6326 right!? Also to add to his angle, the Bible is also a book of metaphors that repeat the gospel, faith and overcoming the adversary, whatever that maybe.
It wouldn’t matter. You have to believe, and you have to be drawn by the Spirit. MacArthur is brilliant, and he could break it down so it is understandable, but they still wouldn’t believe. Unless you are ready the Spirit won’t draw you. And to be ready you have to be broken.
Damn I need to expand on this more , I grew up Christianity and sometimes I have thoughts about if I was conditioned to believe there is a hell and how it limits a lot of my actions.
It limits your interaction with evil/morally wrong aspects of the world, unless you want to go ahead and murder someone and you feel Christianity has held you back.
I think it’s about time Rogan has actual Theologians that can give an articulate argument of faith and the history of faith. It’s cool to hear different perspectives, but I have yet to see Rogan invite a heavyweight like William Lane Craig, James White, or Voddie Baucham. Not just the usual “it’s a myth” crowd.
Some places in the world are experiencing colder elements. Egypt, Texas and a few other places had snow. Now I'm in Canada and when it snowed in Texas we had nothing on the ground where I am. This is but a mild example to.
I'm an agnostic and I'm sure we all know what that is by now. But I've never liked the church but I like the teachings that came from their book. Organizations always prove to be corrupt at some point. They have a lot of good things to teach and things we can learn from. Whether we agree with the illogical logic that pops up in the myths.
I get this. I’m a Christian, and I go to a church where they believe the Bible and aren’t wishy washy about it, and the people are genuine, if they point out something in my life that’s not in line, it’s because they love me not to bring me down. Just saying this to encourage you or those reading, you might find a church that’s a blessing. If you don’t believe the Bible, you won’t have that foundation in common, so it is not going to be a fit. So it starts with the Bible. Strong man, don’t straw man it, investigate. Maybe you’ll be convinced. “Doubt your doubts”. Blessings to you~
@@vanessaburdine4865 I have no issues with the Bible it's the church as an organization I have an issue with. I believe that the Bible and books such as those are great in their teachings. But as things grow we as humans are prone to corruption. And I can't willingly choose to side with the church because I don't trust the organization as a whole. Also I say illogical logic because the myths/stories in the Bible seem illogical to someone who doesn't believe in it.
Nearly every fiction has some good things a person can get from it. The Bible also has some very immoral ways to live such as condoning slavery, sex slavery, and genocide.
The bible says on the seventh day he rested! it also says Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness that in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that in the water under earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God! and yet... EVERY single church has a statue of jesus on the cross... your not supposed to do that!
It's important to remember that he is using the word "myth" as a description of ancient stories and literature, not truth. There are two primary definitions of "myth": 1. A traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events; 2. A widely held but false belief or idea. (New Oxford American Dictionary) When someone says, "That's just a myth," they mean, "That's not true." When an anthropologist says, "This is their creation myth," he is describing a type of story or literature. That type of literature may or may not contain literal truth but often serves as a device to transmit existential truth and profound wisdom. Most people use the word "myth" primarily in its second sense, something that's not true. Even though most understand the word as it applies to ancient stories and literature, they automatically carry over the second sense of the word to mean the story contains no truth. That would be a mistake. Poetry is another example. If someone asked a poet if their poetry is true, in most cases, they cannot answer with a simple yes or no. Poetry is not often literally true but that does not mean it has no truth. In fact, some would argue that the truth transmitted by poetry is more profound than literal truth. I've come across two good descriptors for the early chapters of Genesis: "Mytho-History" and "Theologically Informed Saga". There are elements of literal and historical truth but they are told in the genre of myth. Their primary function is to transmit a truth beyond literal or historical truth. That's what he means when he refers to the Bible as "myth". I will nitpick and say it's a generalization to call the Bible myth. The Bible is not a book, it's a library of many books written by different authors over a long period of time. It has myth, poetry, history, letters, apocalypse, gospels, wisdom literature, and more. Each of those is a different genre. Just as we read a newspaper, novel, letter, or poetry according to their genre, the books of the Bible should be read according to their genre. When people argue whether creation happened in six days, it's obvious they do not understand the genre of literature they are dealing with. Ancient cultures did not have an understanding of modern scientific methods for acquiring and recording data nor did they have an understanding of modern historical narrative. When one reads literature through the wrong lens, it makes no sense. When read according to its genre, it can transmit profound truth.
only fundamentalist protestants believe the earth was created in 6 earth days. im a Catholic Christian and believe most of genesis is allegorical. the Catholic Church does not teach that Genesis is literal or fictional, one way or the other, but it is known that different books in the Bible are written in different ways.
@@crobeastness Diehard Catholic here for over 50 years...attended mass 6 days a week. Rome...aka...The Vatican is responsible for millions of deaths all in the name of jesus. How many children have been raped by catholic priests?
We have the selfish nature as Adam and Eve. No other “religious” books start out with 2 naked people being told not to eat a certain fruit . Human nature has not changed much
Since the bible has been rewritten probably a thousand times by the church it's actually them who are calling you "not very smart". Soon the bible must be rewritten again to fit the woke agenda, Jesus was a trans is next.
@@Kay-jg6tf of all the “modern” and corrupt versions of the Bible, there’s only one that is pure … the King James Version . It’s the only one authorized under a King, and has no copyright, with no provable errors . Every word is pure, just like God, and just like He had promised us . Psalms 12:6-7 “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.” King James… even the name is Jewish… “Jacob” Ecclesiastes 8:4 “Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?”
There are people who rise from the dead in the Old Testament (look at the stories of Elijah and Elisha). Not so much walking on water, but certainly manipulating water (Red Sea, Joshua and the Jordan River, Elijah and the Jordan River, Elisha and the Jordan River, Elisha and raising the axe head).
One reference that no preacher, pastor, rabi, bible scholar or theologian has been able to refute or disprove is "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. In the 200 plus years since it was written, it is undisputed! And the reason it is undisputed is because it's indisputable... That's the problem with facts... They're indisputable!
The original Bible, the Torah was written in Hebrew which the letters are also used as numbers. The Torah is both numerical code and a collection of wisdom because everything in the universe is energy manifested through mathematics. The building blocks of everything is the 5 platonic solids, sacred geometry. The bible and most other religious teachings are really just deep understanding of mathematical patterns that repeat and express themselves from the tiniest aspects of creation to the cosmos and even within the human body/mind. From the fractal patterns in the branching and rooting of trees to create the most surface area to efficiently capture carbon and put it into the ground to the fractals of 5 in the body, head and 4 limbs then at the end of those limbs another fractal of 5. The brain is also a fractal, creating more folds to increase surface area for neurons without needing more space. The golden ratio expressed in a galaxy, pinecone, snail shell, sunflower, hurricane, and even the limbs of your body. The zodiac which is really more cosmic seasons. The Earth not only rotates (a day), orbits the sun (a year), but also is at a slight tilt creating a wobble. One cycle of this wobble taking around 25,920 years. The ancients divided the 360° path of the sun around the Earth, relative to the view from Earth, into 12 30° sections. Each section containing a constelation and taking around 2,160 years to pass thru. The vernal equinox being in front of the constellation of aries thus being the age of aries. Each star and planet giving off it's own frequency. The Earth's frequency, known as the Schumann resonance, being about 7.83hz. The sun being in front of each constellation giving off different intensities. These frequencies being associated with certain natural disasters, events in society, our emotions, personalities, even our purpose, all based on mathematics. These teachings in different religions and cultures are all the same info often written in metaphors and personifications due to persecution. Jesus not only representing a teacher of wisdom but also the SUN, and the 12 disciples being the zodiac. You'll see the zodiac in every culture. Even the pyramids are aligned with the sun or constellations. The names of the week are named after astrology. Sunday=Sun, Mon=moon,Tues=Mars, Wed=Mercury, Thurs=Jupiter, Fri= Venus, Sat= Saturn. More noticeable in other languages, the English versions come from Norse and other cultures. The Islamic symbol is the moon and venus. Even the story of Christ rising again is an allegory of the human body's anatomy. The claustrum produces an "oil" or cerebral spinal fluid, it flows down the 33 vertebrae of the spine and rises again if the body is in a state of homeostasis, rises back up the spine and hits the hypothalamus sits for 2-3 days and creates a bioelectric circuit causing the pineal gland (one example, genesis 32:30 mentions the pineal) to secrete more seratonin and dmt causing the individual to raise their consciousness. This is also the medical symbol, the caduceus, that represents healing and medicine. The rod is the spine, the 2 serpents are the left and right hemispheres of the brain, and the ball/pinecone on top is the pineal gland. The pineal gland also expressing the Fibonacci sequence/golden ratio. You're surrounded by symbolism, It's another language, again due to persecution and censorship which has been going on since the beginning of man. The ones that understand the true teachings either try to suppress it from the masses or try to share the teachings through symbolism due to persecution. You literally manipulate matter by your thoughts, emotions, and voice all based on mathematics and frequency. The pyramids, art from Leonardo da Vinci and countless others all express geometry that is reflected in the human body/mind. The 7 angels, 7 trumpets, 7 seals.... are the 7 "chakras" within the body which are just main energy centers that have clusters of nerves, connected to the endocrine system. The gonads/ovaries, pancreas, thymus, adrenal, thyroid, pineal, and pituitary glands which shouldn't be under or over producing certain hormones to connect the body, like an antenna, to the divine. Every aspect of our society has been engineered to prevent you from realizing this information to enslave you. John D Rockefeller for example created the board of education to create a "society of workers, not thinkers", he also monopolized the medical industry supressing cures for cancer, monopolized the oil industry, federal reserve, news and newspaper. Control the information people receive and you influence their choices and the way they see reality. Everything has been monopolized and the markets are manipulated, disasters are created, fear and division is pushed all for profit and control. This war of the mind has been going on since before biblical times so learn more about how sacred geometry is expressed in every aspect of reality and the human body/mind's potential.
I love the different all over viewpoints that come in this show. But i would love to see some extreme biblical scholars come on here
@@King-O-Hell Joe will tolerate any view point. Which is why his podcast is so successful.
Eric metaxas please
@@King-O-Hell i know but i really wish he would bring on experts and not people that just crap on Christianity with out hard evidence
No.. because then everything they say will be 100% true to them because they speak from the Bible and speak the word of “God” so knowing that they’ll be asked hard questions.. it probably will never happen
@@aaronnapier1167 what kinda hard evidence would satisfy you?
2:20 - "Any myth is a dramatic retelling of an underlying reality that can't be expressed rationally." - David Mamet
Perfectly put
Oh so this God of yours does have some limitations then?
Any myth is just people going with their first theory. Their first explanation for something. If those people took a little bit more time to think about it, they would find better explanations. All of science is people finding explanations for unexplainable phenomena.
@@agenttriplea1937This particular limitation is one that belongs to humans, not God.
@@asherujudo7383 Explain why murder is wrong with science.
@@agenttriplea1937 what do you intend to accomplish by behaving this way? its probably you, not what people believe as they see, god. imagine being young and talking.
Imagine learning about the bible from two individuals who have never studied the Bible.
Dang man, you just busting out logic and junk..👏✌
Praise Jesus
My thoughts as soon as he started talking
👏☝
Imagine believing a book as dumb as the Bible. Probably the dumbest book ever.
"We are very cunning but we aren't very smart" -David Mamet.
Hands down this quote will go into history.
Agreed
Except he applies it to everyone but himself.
David Mamet is very cunning....but not very smart.
That's not the whole sentence. He ends it with human beings. He was talking about people as a whole not nuts like himself
This almost seems deliberately misleading completely lacking substance
I really wish I had 3 hours to sit down on JRE and just have a rational and thoughtful talk about God and the Bible. I love how Joe handled this interview and others like it about the Bible and God, but I hope he brings out some people who actually think about these sorts of things for a living.
People who talk about fantasy books?
I’d like to see him interview Michael Heiser.
Agreed, bring on Jeff Durbin or James White
You or D wood!!
Like Bart Ehrman.
I'm confused as to Mamet's actual point of view
That the bible represents the compressed knowledge and philosophy of thousands of generations of humans put into a form that can be useful to anyone human today...which is only doable via storytelling?
What's so hard about that? Do you also have trouble with the Lord of the Rings series? (Hint: Orcs, Elves, and Dwarves do not exist...they are all humans)
Hollyhood, he can't see past it.
@@fortusvictus8297 haha you are just a savage 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@fortusvictus8297 Well I guess nothing but that's not how he articulated himself.. I was also being a little sarcastic, was hoping he may elaborate or tell me something new.
@@fortusvictus8297 The Bible does not represent "the compressed knowledge and philosophy of thousands of generations of humans." It doesn't contain any knowledge at all. What a joke.
What I find fascinating is how confident he sounds declaring the Bible a myth.
Especially after saying get in that church and get your shot together lol
This viewpoint is simply a kind of evolution of Christianity, it allows all of the teachings of the bible to remain intact, and it somewhat prevents the circumstance of someone questioning how, for example, Jesus fed five-thousand-it makes the bible a lesson more than a non-fictional word for word recount. This guy is still incredibly religious and devoted, just looks at it in a modern way.
Hes a Jew
Just as confident as a Christian declaring every other religion mythologies. Unless you can prove to me it’s possible for anybody on this planet to walk on water or survive several days inside a whale or what ever other supernatural claims in the Bible that defies the laws of physics then us rational people have no reason not to consider the Bible mythology
@@morenitomoreno1282 there was actually a dude who got swallowed by a whale and spat out later not too long ago in the US, but he wasnt in there for that long.
Also the 3 day myth is a very common theme in religion because the sun rises and sets at the same place for 3 days during both solstices everywhere on earth.
Peace
Joe get some actual biblical scholars on the show who know or can discuss God in a way your audience would probably never get the chance to
im not religious at all but this would be very interesting! I would definitely listen to an episode like this
exactly, i like rogan but when it comes to Christianity, he seems totally ignorant and has elementary arguments that have been disproven hundreds of years ago but since the audience is young and have never heard the arguments, they think its new info.
Yes get Dr Bart Ehrman!
@@Frederick.J.Marshall *Ehrman
@@Kaddywompous Corrected thanks!
Rising from the dead and walking on water is actually new testament.
Truthth-cam.com/video/O_1hq_luk-wo/w-d-xo.html
read Ezekiel
Walking on water could relate to walking above a certain mindset, rising from the dead could relate to shedding one’s old consciousness and emerging “reawakened” . Of course I just kind of came up with that on the fly.
My DNA is not related to Jesus Christ .
Please reread your copy of the Old Testament. It’s in there. Like he said, the New Testament IS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, the retelling of the Old Testament. Also, the OT is the retelling of many other myths: Horus, Mithra, Dionysus, Appolonius, etc. For example, Attis of Phrygia: born on Dec 25 from a virgin, considered a savior of mankind, was crucified on a tree, he descended into the underworld and after three days, was resurrected. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. One can find 20 God myths predating the OT that have a list of at least 10-12 of the same attributes.
JRE needs Voddie Baucham to give an accurate view of scripture.
Yeah or Dr. James White.
Hell yes! Love Voddie Bauchum
I would take the day off of work to listen to that podcast episode.
It’s unfortunate that Ravi Zachariah passed away. He would’ve been a fantastic guest as well.
As long as he doesn't bring up Calvinism.
When a physicist explains physics to a child they don’t just show the child a complex mathematical formula, they tell the child a story they can relate to and begin their understanding.
I agree. The bible is mathematical formula and the story of it is also a result of that formula. The esoteric teachings of the human body/mind's potential is also.
Myths are figurative in the language. We're not _that_ figurative as we once were. To take what is written in the Bible literally, is to make a mistake, and to dodge thinking about what the meaning could be. Nothing is free.
@@thebeanymac nah 😂
@@thebeanymac Sure, the parables May have been examples for the people to relate to. But to say that nothing in Bible can or should be taken literally is simply a weak, un-supported opinion.
@@jamesh6650 Nope. The view has been long established, since the poets of old, since before the Bible. You haven't understood. Read Joseph Campbell as a start. Look at what George Lucas has to say, somewhere in his interviews, who studied Campbell. There are stark lessons in the Bible for a good life, like many other holy books, but only if the language is taught to you through various means, that is: _how_ to read such work. I've done that through the study of mythology, not what is told, but _how_ the stories are told. Mythology holds the oldest way we know to tell a story, to impart wisdom, and to entertain as well. Learning is only gained through effort, and reading works like the Bible are not easy.
I've never seen such a mythical book be so accurate in my life.
Dude with the hat is a total loon ngl Moses story isn’t how he pictures it
well he's not saying "mythological" as in fake...he means "mythological" in the sense of the bible being a symbol for a much greater meaning..as in the "cross" is not God...the cross is a symbol of God..and God's work/love is everywhere
In what ways is the Bible accurate? Do you have examples?
If you want accurate, search miracles of the Qur'an
Lol give examples
Had to stop the podcast, this guy is a nut. Sure, he has some good points, like everyone else, but you can see right through him.
I don’t think he’s a nut. I just don’t think he’s as intelligent as he thinks he is. But yeah, he lost me 20 minutes in.
I’m glad I’m not alone, I turned it off to. Hit pause and started reading comments. Very similar to Listening to my half drunk neighbor on a Saturday afternoon.
Absolutely brutal podcast.
Well stated, and same here. Something about this guy doesn't seem right. His energy is spooky.
Couldn’t stand it either.
"Myth is this particular story that, although never happened, happens always." I love this quote from Olga Tokarczuk's Nobel Prize speech.
Okay Yoda
That's the best way of putting it ever.
That is really wonderful. I've never heard that saying. I'll certainly hold it close, thanks, I now love it too :)
So its the lesson that is true knowledge
And with great power comer great responsibility. So we must learn from our self and the past. Our biggest enemy is knowledge which leads to arrogance and narcissistic
This is brilliant. I’m going to find this speech.
Some facts about the Bible (imaginatively named after the Ancient Greek for “book,” “biblos”): 1. the “book” is a collection of texts written by multiple authors over centuries. 2. The texts are examples of different genres, notably including laws (a favorite genre of the ancient near east, where the Old Testament was written in Hebrew), historical narrative, and Epistles (from the Latin word for “letter,” “epistula,” the letters were written in Greek, like the rest of the New Testament). 3. In terms of piecing together the past to learn about God (a primary purpose of the Bible), we couldn’t ask for better historical evidence, which again includes historical narrative and letters written by primary sources, for example Jesus’ disciples). 4. In terms of written history (historical documents pre-printing press written by hand) no other ancient or medieval text comes close to the amount of evidence we have arguing for the textual integrity of the individual texts that comprise the Bible.
Shame the modern world wants more proof as, by today's standards, there is no definitive/ultimate proof the Bible was written by the authors. I only need faith, and trust the one who said, paraphrasing here a bit, my facts speak for me
66 books by 40 authors.. the oldest book being the book of job
Well said
@John Mateus copy and pasted from a Protestant website:
How Did the Apocryphal Books Become Part of Some Bibles?
Actually no one knows for sure how the apocryphal books came to be part of some copies of the Old Testament. Many, however, think that the extra books were added when the Old Testament (originally written in Hebrew) was translated into Greek. This Greek translation of the Old Testament is called the Septuagint and was produced by Jewish scholars in Alexandria, Egypt about 250 B.C. This theory is based on the fact that the earliest copy of the Septuagint available today contains these extra books, while none of the Hebrew Scriptures contain them. These books, along with the rest of the Bible, were translated by Jerome into Latin around A.D. 400, but Jerome himself did not think they belonged in the Old Testament.
Why Don’t We Accept the Apocryphal Books?
(1) Even though the Septuagint existed in New Testament times and was available to the New Testament writers (the Book of Hebrews quotes from the Septuagint), there are no direct quotations from the Apocrypha in the New Testament nor does the New Testament refer to any apocryphal books as part of Scripture. (2) No general church council in the first four centuries of Christian history endorsed apocryphal books. While some early Christians thought highly of these books, others, such as Athanasius, Cyril of Jerusalem, Origen and Jerome opposed them. (3) While Augustine accepted the Apocrypha, his list is not exactly the same as that found in Catholic Bibles [for example, he omitted Baruch, which is in the Catholic Bible, and he included 1 Esdras, which is not in the Catholic Bible]. Furthermore, Augustine seems to have changed his mind from accepting the Septuagint as authoritative to later recognizing that only the Hebrew Scriptures were inspired. (4) Even the Roman Catholic Church did not officially recognize the Apocrypha as belonging in the Bible until the Council of Trent in A.D. 1546-Catholicism’s response to the Reformation. (5) The Apocrypha appeared in Protestant Bibles even before the Council of Trent and on into the nineteenth century but were placed in a section separate from the Old and New Testaments.
@John Mateus What the man's said above. No anger/offense towards you, but fuck Catholicism; They're the ones that first started to stereotype the idea of Jews being penny-pinchers solely bc they were fine with separation of church/temple and bank. Even though Calothics were basically bribing peasants to be 'cleansed' of their sins. That covered up pedophilia for centuries. No. Apocryphal is an understatement in regards to the book.
The greatest thing about biblical myths is that they beautifully illustrate eternal features of human nature and all the social problems we deal with. Even if you are an atheist it's worth studying those myths because they are great stories, excellently retold and they are mirrored by the world we live in today
Written by a bunch of people who to THIS VERY DAY BELIEVE WOMEN ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS
@@bryanpinto5819 source?
It's also a huge guide to realities. For instance, there's a phrase in the bible where it states that killing a man in your home at night is fine, but if you kill him in your home in the day time, it's not ok.
At first this might seem like non-sense, but in reality, yes society will factually treat you different, especially back then, if you kill someone at night vs the day time. Your neighbors would see you as defending your home at night but they would be super suspicious and probably convict you if you did it in the day time. Especially if you consider it before forensics and technology which was almost ALL of human existence
@@bryanpinto5819 They are.... 😏
It was my study into religion which led to me and my current belief system where if there is a all mighty God, which I think there isn't, it is not a good being and simply doesn't care about anything besides itself.
Joe needs to have Dr. Michael Heiser on his show while he is still with us.
Or Dr. Tim Keller.
Oh I totally agree on this!
Wendell Berry
Dr. Hugh Ross, Victoria Jackson too
among other genuinely SavED believers :0)
Yes! Bring on Heiser!!!
His take on the bible and its usefulness reminds me of Jordan Peterson's take, although Mamet here is more concise and simple in his explanation.
But just as silly. While one can easily get a lot of wisdom out of the Bible, one can also get a recipe for disaster. This is true of all holy books and myths.
I agree both obviously chauvinist and narrow minded, Yet lacking the emotion content and empathy of a ROCK IN TYHE DIRT but filled with hypocrisy like most religious zealots in history always have been. Nailed it. Just Like Jordan Peterlips
@@edgardevice calm down preacher
Jordan Peterson is a huge disappointment on the topic of religion. To simple question like: Do you believe in god or resurrection? The meaning of words like god, belief, truth, dead or alive become totally incomprehensible. Suddenly he turns ultra postmodern, non binary, fluid...Depak Chopra-esque woo-woo.
@@edgardevice yes it is a book of war and sacrifice...but also truth..and a remix of sumerian/babylonian myth..atrahasi epic = noah
Mythology, poetry, law, theology, philosophy, history--- the Bible contains all of this. Different books in different genres. It's very complex. I do appreciate Mamet's focus on the mythological and allegorical aspects.
You forgot about sci Fi
@@jaygreen4121 LOL. No. Or are you one of those guys who thinks the 'wheels' Ezekiel encounters are aliens or UFOs? In a sense, they are. Nonhuman intelligences.
It's not complex at all. It's honestly no more complex then a children's book. If you read it you'll see how incredibly 1 dimensional it really is.
@@LordDTwigo You give the most blanket statement that makes me think you’ve never read it
@@DCshandle
I have read the entire old testament and roughly 40% of the new testament
David Mamet has the kind of insight into religion that one would expect from an old New York playwright.
Wow Joe rising from the dead and walking on water was the new testament not the old lol.
Rising from the dead was also OT (eg Samuel) but yeah you are correct
(Also Job 9:8 refers to walking on water but this is in worship, not in actual recorded action so not quite the same)
Joe rose from the dead?? Sick, dude. That's news to me
Neither of these dudes know enough about the bible to have this conversation lol
@@petatersandgravye2n even death couldn't cancel him
Joe: (asks a very clear and concise question)
Mamet: Well let me tell you a story...
Joe: (sets up a question with a framework that intentionally misses the point of what's happening)
Mamet: (tries to answer with his limited understanding to the beat of his ability)
Joe “r/whoosh” Rogan
If you listen to this whole podcast, this dude is all over the place and makes very little
sense. I really appreciate the tidbits joe can pull out of him that are truly good knowledge
Redbelt is a favorite of mine. Oleanna is also very timely.
Joe says two things people find hard to believe about the Bible from the Old Testament. But people (Lazarus and Jesus) raising from the dead and (Jesus) walking on water or both from the New Testament.
did any of you miss the line about myths being dramatic retellings or are you really all these type of narcissist atheists trying to pwn religion like its your step dad. incredible
Three people are raised from the dead in the Old Testament as well. 1 Kings 17:21-22, 2 Kings 4:35, and 2 Kings 13:21. All of them focused around the prophets Elijah/Elisha.
Does it really matter?
I hope he was walking on water...maybe they meant walking through water puddles and Lakes while baptizing people..or on something so fast like water skiing your really walking on water!! But it may have been literally aswell🤫
@@chris-cy5ed Read the scriptures yourself. God will reveal himself to you. Start with the Gospels ( First four books of the new testement ).
So much bias in the comments. No wonder JRE is hated by so many. Its crucial to understand that entertaining an idea and agreeing with it are two separate things. If anything, I'm glad that he brings on a variety of guests to share their perspective, regardless if I agree or not. I think he should have someone on the opposite side of David Mamet next so we can get a full exposure.
That's why I appreciate the show so much. I really don't understand where the hate comes from because he brings on so many different guests with different viewpoints. It's not misinformation or malice, it's a platform for discussion. People are scared of subjecting themselves to a larger forum, and in that fear and cowardice, they themselves end up being the ones that spread misinformation.
Well, he always has someone on the opposite side. He has never had a Christian apologist in the show ever. He has had almost exclusively atheists when discussing religion or people than don't focus on it like Ben Shapiro.
He’s only hated by the woke NPCs
My DNA is not related to Jesus Christ .
@@dan6481 This guy turned around and said PragerU is someone he listens to. The second I heard that you know he is a far right christian nut job that want to bring on the apocalipse because they get to go to heaven. Pretty evil ideology.
Real Bible talk on JRE is always a treat!
It would be nice to hear from someone who actually believes it and defends it. I.E. Dr. James White, or Doug Wilson
It’s weak because they Joe and the other guy are in agreement, let’s get someone who believes in the Bible
It's very easy for someone who has never met Christ or even gave a little effort to live thr Bible to say it is a myth.
@@jdominguez777 OK, but lets not discredit this podcast, there is also something valuable here as well.
@john heiskell Apparently you haven't met Him.
This is the same thing you're taught if you study at his Atlantic Theater acting school. His remark about rationality refers to the fact that you don't want to see a play where the conflict has a rational solution or its themes and subject matter are about rational issues.
Explain the bible to me… “well an octopus walked into a bar”
*EVERY* book is written by a man with agenda and if you have to search like this for meaning its nonsense. Commandment 1 would be "Thou shalt not split the atom" not "Don't go making any statues of other people my poor little ego couldn't take it" 😏
He did say he translated that bible from ancient Hebrew him self and it was ez
The age of grace aka church age is soon coming to an end. Global financial collapse is being engineered by the agents of satan/nwo to bring about great reset. They want to collapse the dollar and wipe out everyone's finances to make them hungry and desperate enough to buy into their nwo system and recieve the coming mark of beast on hand or forehead. Without this no man can buy or sell. Revelation 13. New world order led by obama and pope francis is coming. Police state/martial law coming soon. Quarantine centers aka concentration camps will be activated around the world from this covid agenda. America will be nuked and invaded by russia and china in near future thanks to treasonous us govt. Repent and seek jesus christ for salvation.
I WAS AN ATHIEST UNTIL QUANTUN PHYSIC'S , PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND THE SHROUD OF TURIN LEFT ME NO ROOM TO DOUBT THAT INTELIGENT DESIGN IS THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION TO LIFE THE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING . I HAVE NOT READ THE BIBLE BUT I WILL SINCE I HAVE LEARNT THAT SOME OF THE MOST UNBLIEVEABLE STORIES IN IT ARE TRUE . GN FROM AUSTRALIA GOD AND BLESS ✌😇
My DNA is not related to Jesus Christ .
If your gonna open up these discussions ,which I love, it would be awesome to bring in great Bible Scholars. Those who can give some true history on the history of the scriptures. There are plenty.
I agree 100%. There are two sides of the coin.
@Your momz Other man > when we look at the data there doesn't seem to be free will.
The scriptures aren't history, unless you want to talk about the council that wrote it. They may use real historical places or people but that's as far as it goes as them being historical. They are children's stories and nothing more.
@@Spectre-wd9dl Bro, Jesus was a real person and is well documented through multiple eye witness accounts. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. This is real history.
@@dengi2452 one day
What about the supposed evidence of Roman chariots found in the bottom of the Red Sea?
Two guys talking about a book that neither of them understand.
@Jgehff Hkinkcle it’s the whole basis of western culture. Like it or dislike it. Believe it as literal or not. There are truths that run deep in the story’s told in that book.
It’s not quantum physics, dude!!! It’s simple stories and fairytales
I listened to this podcast today at work. While I echo a lot of this guys sentiments, he had an awfully hard time articulating them. This was no different than listening to my father in law after a couple PBR’s.
Joe is asking about the "preposterous" parts of the Bible and David is just saying that its just a part of the story for exaggeration but the lesson is still there. Just like MCU (which echos the Bible), there's total exaggeration but that doesn't mean the characters don't face dilemmas that a regular person goes through as well.
Yep it was hard to listen to, cringe at time, full of s*** and flawed beliefs
@@mr.nmtrue5059 see this is why you can't believe you don't have the brain power
Lol, Occasionally I’m that same kind of father in law. We try our best.
@@thephilosopher7173 "The mcu ehos the bible" well.... elaborate on that please.
Joe needs to have Douglas Wilson on the podcast if he wants to ask questions about the Bible.
I bet they have not read the Bible at all from front to back I’m still learning thank you for all glory to him
Love how Joe mixes the OT with the NT..and don't miss a beat..🤠
The Bible changed my life for the best, and it is completely true. Before yall write me telling me what a fool I am, save it, I've already heard it all. " I would rather be a fool to the world because I believe in God and his Word, than a fool to God, because I believe the world" (Basically)
I was an atheist who messed with witchcraft 7 months ago, it’s more real then people would like to admit. Do your research, science proves gods existence just stop being blind atheists.
You can find that in the bible also. Those who don't believe will think you're crazy.
@@andrewsmith9677 Amen, I used to dabble in all kinds of things, also. I learned my lessons the hard way and I'm so grateful to God and his angels for saving me. I'm so glad he saved you too, he wants to save everyone. God bless you on your journey, brother
So you read the bible, saw the mass murder and vile acts committed by your god and decided "yeah I like that"? And if the bible s true, why can no one prove it, and it is so easy to disprove?
But didn't "the world write/told you the word of God? That would mean your believing in the word of the world not God, unless you've had real experience with your "god" then you've been fooled by the word of the world
The Bible has a lot of in-depth wisdom that can be applied in our daily lives.
And is full of fictional stories
@@dahleno2014 as well as your mind.
yea and so does green eggs and ham
@@JA-ut8fi what.
Truthth-cam.com/video/LJnJqWIjI60/w-d-xo.html...unbelievabl
Two jokes are told at the end of the full podcast. After the first one Joe Rogan explains to David Mamet that it is not a good joke. Stone faced the Pulitzer Prize winner tells the second joke which is not meant to be funny and is given approval, but truly receives confirmation.
Joe Rogan is the only guy who could have David Mamet on his podcast for 3 hrs and not once ask about any of his movies
I feel for David as I understand where he’s coming from with Hollywood and movies. Who doesn’t miss the 80’s and 90’s final era of the big screen.
@MINI DIVA go away!
@@Levestire ❤️
....Have you guys never seen an A24 film?
Anyone who isnt white or a man.
@@sfdko3291 First and only was Tragedy of Macbeth, and that was mind blowing. Simple, but extremely mind blowing.
All these years and Joe’s still yet to have a single biblical scholar or even just an outspoken Christian on the podcast
Because they're nuts, dishonest, or not really that intelligent to begin with
KANYE WAS ON
No thanks, we're way past that.
Give one example of one and we can tell you why... They inherently lie and refute evidence that is sometimes decades old. Speak up @LIFE IS AMAZING, show us these scholars and "outspoken" Christians. Couldn't be Jewish though right? They are not biblical scholars? What about Richard Dawkins? He talks at length about Christianity with far more eloquence, honesty and fact than any OUTSPOKEN CHRISTIAN aka an Atheist, you are one. Remember all men are created equal and there are 3000 Gods "all men" believe in, so you say 2999 don't exist and the definition of an Atheist is "a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods." SO ALL CHRISTIANS ARE ATHEIST!!!! :)
My DNA is not related to Jesus Christ.
When discussing ancient books, it’s has to be mentioned their lack of knowledge on simple things like weather. If I’m in ancient times with very limited knowledge and say it starts to thunder and lighting, I would think damn we pissed someone off up there! Or an earthquake would very well give the same but opposite directional thought?!? All I’m saying is stories are stories and we’re in the year 2022. Something’s from the Bible are pretty good for humanity, but to live your entire existence based on a book is insane.
Mamet is a unique filmmaker and screenwriter. Most of his films are exceptional and the ones that arent are still interesting because of his peculiar style
It's too bad that we lost Christopher Hitchens. Joe interviewing him would have been a good one!
Man I would've loved to have Hitchens's take on Jordan Peterson, Trump and JRE. Beyond that, imagine all the talks we could've had between him and Douglas Murray, since him there's been an explosion of great female comedians and I would've loved to hear his take on whether he'd revise his old stance on whether or not women can be funny and so on. Hitchens really did die way too soon.
Hitch woulda dropped the hammer on those octopuses.
No shit. Mamet is going all Jordan Petersen here and it makes me sad. Let's circle the drain of attaching these old myths to modern life because they are sooooooo useful. Blah, blah, blah.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Joe would have let him talk and explain everything instead of trying to confuse or sidetrack him like most interviewers did.
I’m sure Christopher Hitchens wishes he were still here too lol
The bible is thousands of years old and has been translated many times. Despite that, it is still relevant with applicable wisdom for those that are able to receive it.
Yes so is the Quran. You just have to be willing to accept it as true
@@meacham723 Quran was built off the Bible. Go to the source; the Bible
@@meacham723 quaran is unchanged where the bible has been changed numerous times
Just as much as Harry Potter.
See epic of Gilgamesh. It predates Old Testament by hundreds of years. They’re stories from Semitic people that were oral traditions before making their way to written word. It is a weapon used by .2% of population to control the rest of the world. More importantly, it is their tool for survival.
Dude is no one else gonna mention how at 2:30 - 3:15 he goes on this strange tangent about how he thinks atheists believe in global warming, want children to be trans, for men to be able to compete in woman’s sports, and that all of this is “human confusion, because we trust our senses and we trust our mind, and our mind doesn’t work real good.” “We’re very cunning but we’re not very smart human beings.” He then proceeds to say that ALL of this is the message of the Bible… pretty obvious he’s just making it up as he goes…
Mamet has an excellent book called “writing in restaurants”
While you _can_ interpret the Bible as a message of humility, many people treat the Bible as a source of certainty and confidence. A common criticism of atheism is the lack of a frame of reference which is supposed to lead to decay of moral principles.
Please demonstrate that this "decay of moral principles" even exists.
@@Thomas-ht9cn atheism +
Oh your full of it, having no belief in a imaginary sky daddy is not a decay of “moral” I don’t need religion to tell me killing someone is wrong, or that I’m a good person based on so. And the worst argument I heard as well as others is this quote from the religious “if there is no god what’s stopping you from killing and raping everyone you want” and our answer is this, I have killed and raped everyone I wanted and that number is 0 you sick evil F###.
Ya, I’m classic atheist. I don’t care what you believe in, as long as it doesn’t hurt me.
New atheism is: I don’t believe in god, so you can’t either.
"A common criticism of atheism is the lack of a frame of reference which is decay of moral principles." Right, so by all means let's plant our frame of reference and set of morals squarely on a magical man in the sky and his teachings. Seems reasonable.
By this guys logic, the Bible would be no different than any other religious text as it imparts some wisdom on humanity. The issue is however is that a large majority of Christians do consider the the Bible to be the literal word of God and that the mythologies actually occurred.
If all religious works were presented in the context of a collection of wisdom from previous generations, but not to be taken too literally….the entirety of world history would be different as there would likely have been much less religious war
I don't think that's true. People kill each other over politics, religion was often the pretext. Look at the hatred today.
I would argue that many don't, actually. How many people genuinely believe that the Bible is the literal word of God? If it was the majority of people calling themselves Christian believed that we wouldn't be in the world we are in today. I think it's like anything else, a small group of fanatics has the loudest voices and most strident position, but they are certainly not the majority of Christians.
@@scratchpenny just reporting in to say that i believe that the Bible is the literal word of God - am a Christian conservative evangelical. i also believe in UFO’s, so take that as you may (P.S. the Bible actually has chapters that can be interpreted as having UFO’s interacting with humanity - e.g. the account of the prophet Ezekiel)
That’s why there’s a separation of church and state. It’s just that some people don’t understand that there’s a new church and it’s called wokeism or whatever name you want to give it. Instead of confession I have to put a black square on my IG or shit like that.
@@KM-iv8mf Fair enough, but it's not the majority of professed Christians, in my estimation. As I am sure you know, you represent a particular sect but not the whole of Christendom. And many people believe in the tenets of Christianity but don't actually believe in Christ or God. I can't tell you how many Catholics I know are like that. And that's why I mentioned that our very secular society wouldn't be where it is today if most Christian people actually believed the Bible was the literal word of God.
Imagine writing the Bible originally as just a side project or joke. And then it falls into the hands of a random person and now the whole world is following whatever it is you wrote.
Bro got jiu-jitsu beanie on 💀💀
It would be great to have a scholar in Biblical apologetics on the show
Seriously. He’s basically had everybody else and said he won’t do politics, so why not finally trying those people.
what is there to apologize for
WLC would be a good interview.
@@chuletajones6833 who is this person? It would have been interesting to have Ravi zacharias before he passed (and had his severe secret issues)
I’m thinking of John MacArthur,Jack Hibbs, Denis Prager, I’m not well informed on good apologetic people but it would be a refreshing to have a pastor or well read practicing Jew (that’s not Ben Shapiro) on.
@@AdrianGarcia-ww1ik WLC is william lane craig. Ravi should stay forgotten because of how much of a fraud he was. I'm actually an Atheist but there are a few apologists who's intellect I hold in high regard. I've only ever seen WLC lose once and that was against sean carroll.
Anyone who has taken actual theology classes will learn, the Bible is a patchwork, 66 books over 40 authors over thousands of years.. it’s not metaphorical but it has metaphors, it isn’t all literal but it has tons of literal events historic people and events, it is all poetry but has tons of poetry, it has apocrypha but isn’t just apocrypha, … it’s all these things.
So, what you're saying is that the Bible is words.
Ya, and once it's been downloaded in your head there's no getting rid of it. I didn't realize how much the devil played a part in my mind till I did lsd a few times. There that fucker was big as day trying to scare the shit out of me. I can thank those sweet old lady Sunday school teachers for the introduction, they apparently knew him well.👿
@@phaedrussmith1949 if Phaedrus is your real name I like it, though I probably wouldn't know how to pronounce it. I like your comment as well. Ya really gotta wonder what the world would be with out those pesky little words. Once you're introduced to them ya can't hardly 'see' without them. So Jesus said you must become as a child again, hmmm.
Well said. Even by getting one of the Great Courses off audible, Bart D. Ehrman for instance, a lot of that is within grasp of anyone.
I can agree with that
Is Joe back on Spotify?
He KNOWS the Bible is a myth! Wow…. Finally someone who knows everything. Tell us more oh mighty one.
Scriptures in the Bible star that it’s a parable or an Allegory
Lmao right dude should write his own Bible since HE knows all
All you gotta do is actually read the Bible and you will know it's bullshit.
Yeah it’s more likely that all this crazy outlandish shit actually happened lol sure
@@usernamesta3334 lmao all kinds of crazy outlandish shit happening today man so anyone's guess
I would like to see someone who actually knows the bible thoroughly and the history of it to be on JRE
Won’t happen, cause it’ll be a sin 😂💀. Can’t even breath these days without offending god
Dr. Bart Ehrman. Hands down.
Northrop Frye but he’s passed on…
@@gabrieledwards1066 - What difference would it make? It's not what Ehrman knows about what is written, it's about what can be proven.
Every theological argument by it's very nature is fallacious. Can Ehrman prove a God that created the Universe and everything in it actually exists?
No..he cannot. So what does it matter how educated he is concerning the Bible?
Why should anyone care what the Bible says if it cannot be proven to be divinely inspired?
@@donmiller2908 "it cant be proven therefore I choose not to look into it" prove to me that your gonna get your paycheck from your job next week. Prove it!!!!!! You cant prove it
There's some wisdom when David said: " Do you believe the Bible is the literal work of God? Rabbi says no." " But is it possible? Rabbi says yes." It's so easy to point out what is wrong with the bible, but it's not the details of the story that is as important as the message of the story imo. Events in the bible needs to be taken and read in the context it is presented in, for example, the creation of man in Genesis is a poem, to bring our the message of the limitations of man in contrast to the magnitude of God. If people read it with the lens of how you would read a newspaper article, we're missed the point of the story.
Interesting you mention Genesis without mentioning a world map or the Devil Himself . Search for Italy and zoom out a little bit . I’ll let you conclude on your own . Try a nighttime view , too . Brightest place on earth . “ Let There Be Light “ . Ok , no need for me to rant . Hope you look for yourself . Most never do .
It's easy to point out what's wrong with the bible when one doesn't believe and doesn't study it daily as it is intended to be but when you do believe, give your life to Christ and read it every day it becomes impossible to refute. I've read so much from scholars and philosophers and nothing comes close to the wisdom, sound philosophy, and moral fortitude the bible gives you. And that's just scratching the surface.
@@RSST662 how about you stop being vauge and just share the details
@@flatlinerkingit’s actually the Devil .
Will y’all just look at a map , search for Italy , and zoom out ? Will y’all try a nighttime view , too ? “ Let There Be Light “ can be seen as the brightest place on Earth . Welcome to reality . You’ve seen Our Creator with your own eyes . Most people never look . Will you admit to being able to see what we can all see ?
I’m hoping my family understand all this one day before it’s too late because they are years behind and have a lot of work to do
Just listened to the podcast. I like his view on the Bible; reasonable, sensible. AND…I wish I agreed with anything else he spoke on. Every difficult question was answered with “I don’t know”. Honestly…I didn’t understand any of his answers, not that he actually answered any ….they were only met with stories. Stories that were only loosely relevant. The last 2 hours were painful to listen to tbh.
ye 100% agree with you. Wouldn't recommend a listen
Questions being met with stories…. sounds like the Bible to me!
haha i picked up on it from him talking about his movie or some shit
Neither one of them even know what they are talking about. Joe starts by talking about to things that are from the New Testament, says they are in the old testament. Then David Mamet continues to say the old testament is bunch of stories. Imagine listening to two people talk about the bible that don't have a clue about what they are talking about!
He was very hard to listen to. I did like his biblical views, the few that he actually got out of his mouth. He’s still pretty archaic in his thinking though
*”The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith; The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.”*
- _Catechism of the Catholic Church,_ paragraph 118
The warrior tribe god Yahweh teaching humans how to commit genocide.
Jesus loves u all.....JC is the real MVP
cringe
Your mother is my MVP
@@DadsCigaretteRun Aaaayyyoooo
@@DadsCigaretteRun Thank u ,glad she finally found love
Good to see this interview and that of de Becker. Both serious discussions worth watching.
Dave's plays QUALITY WISE are the best but how does he get away with the evil of less then 2 hour plays!!!!!
The symbolism of biblical stories is really interesting, reminds me of Jordan Peterson’s biblical series
His biblical series is my favorite by far
The difference is Jordan Peterson puts together a compelling case for his view on the Bible. This guy… I don’t think he knows what he’s talking about
symbolism for being a jerk to anyone who isn't like you and its ok because you believe in god
@@DadsCigaretteRun This comment is repeated under multiple usernames on this comment section. Pretty sure this is a bot farm posting this.
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Hey Joe, have John MacArthur, or James White, or Voddie Baucham or John Piper on your show sometime. Would love to hear a conversation between you and an intelligent Christian leader who doesn't believe what the bible says is a myth.
I don't think Piper would be a good fit. John MacArthur used to go on Larry King, so he might work. Voddie Bauchman also does JiuJitsu, so he might know how to talk to Joe. I also think Matt Chandler or JD Greer would be good guests
Voddie baucham would be the best
William Lane Craig
If Joe was smart, he wouldn't invite John MacArthur because MacArthur would blow Joe's mind with Biblical truth rooted in decades of scholarly research. I would pay for tickets to see that. Voddie would be great as well.
yes
Speaking in tongues converted me to Christianity. When you or your wife start speaking in Hebrew/Arabic it’s the Holy Spirit. Youl never understand it until you experience it. God bless. (Good word this guy).
This guy is a nut job! Please have someone on with sound Christian theology. I wish you guys would interview Voddie Baucham!
I've noticed something interesting and I'm not sure why it is but evertime a Jewish person interviews they always mention they are jewish and refer to it a lot. Even when I meet new friends the Jewish ones always mention in conversation they are Jewish. It's interesting to me.
I wish JRE would bring on a guest who can explain the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Yeah and still just get a bunch of people who cower and aren’t true believers if he did. People are too afraid to hear the truth
Jonathan Pageau when???
you mean the gospel of thomas? the thing most christians deny
Impossible because all you know of it is bullshit that you chose to believe as the truth. Embrace not knowing and don't be a dickhead to people around you. The end.
The gospel of judas
Imagine having to take a drink every time Rogan called Mamet out for some bat-shit crazy idea that leaped from his mouth.
It’s not that crazy. Taking DMT to understand the world and yourself is just as crazy to me.
" The Bible is actually two octopuses walking into a bar" 4:50 nice 👍
Prayers for you both. 🙏
His argument falls apart because people DO take it literal. And it was written in a time when those myths couldn't be debunked easily.
So maybe the people put together the Bible because it was a time when people would believe them to actually be true and they didn’t expect or prepare for a society that would progress so differently?
Or the creators of the Bible actually thought it all true because they were as open to the stories as everyone else at the time?
His argument falls apart because we are living in a time when secretly, the people who control this planet are forcing revelations through technology and social conditioning.
@@dylanwestrand9507 Either way it completely rediculous to base ones life on those stories. Religion is evil. Bible is nothing but a tool to help control the masses.
and they are doing it through numbers suggested in the bible.
The problem is when people continue to take it literally when we know better now, but they didn't know better then (back when these stories were created). I wouldn't even go as far as David takes it- he's basically presenting it as though they knew they were writing myths. I have no doubt there were some stretches added in over the years and through translations to add some flavor (like any modern day fish story), but my interpretation is that as far as the writers knew- what they were saying was, for the most part, true. For example- there are "great flood" stories in almost every religion and culture. Do I believe there was a "great flood" at some point in history? Yes. Do I believe the entire world was underwater and one boat carried two of every living thing aboard? No. That's not to say that as far as the people telling the story knew, the "whole world" might represent only a few square miles that they've ever seen and experienced. So as far as they know, it's accurate. And as far as how long this went on, how exactly are they keeping accurate time? Then as these people told their story to someone else, that person also had the same experience (albeit a different area, and different animals, etc.) and added in their two cents. Then this story got told to their grandchildren. Then- several thousand years later- all these clay tablets are found talking about these "similar" stories, translated into another language and lumped into one big story. And now we think of it as meaning one person "saved the world" story. That's what makes the most sense to me at least.
But at the end of the day, none of these details really make a difference. The point is in the moral of the story and the wisdom passed along over thousands of years of human debauchery. Right from wrong. Good from bad. As long as that's the take away, who really cares about the literal meaning. In fact, the people that take it literally, are just as dangerous (if not, more) as the people that have no moral compass in life. Why? Because they use their literal interpretation of the Bible to justify immoral behavior. Which is almost worse than being ignorant to morality to begin with. But that doesn't mean that people should just toss the Bible because it doesn't "all add up". There are several lessons to be learned and many takeaways.
He's got a potential career making kidnapper demand phone calls
i want to see joe come full circle and say he’s a believer
Why? So he will have a tiny little narrow view of everything from now on instead of an inquisitive mind that brings on awesome guests and explores a multitude of subjects?
I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word. Once you experience the holy spirit of God enter you then you KNOW it's not a myth. It's also not logical to say the Bible is full of myths when the books of the Bible that are Histories have been proven to be supported by archeologist over and over again.
The problem is that there are too many part time scholars who THINK they know everything because they study a little here and there and then find something they don't like and want to harp on it. Without the holy spirit to guide you in pursuit of a greater understanding your just treading water in an endless ocean that is too great to comprehend by yourself. Yet what prideful man who is full of himself will ever admit he wasn't enough. Wont they always blame what they can't comprehend instead of taking a deeper look at themselves? Too much self pride always comes before a fall into humility.
Know that God is not a myth. Instead understand that he is everything and everywhere. He is always there beside us even though he gives us the freedom to decide on our own if we will do good or evil. We are not little biological robots that are preprogrammed into slavery. We hold the responsibility for our own actions and choices. Freedom to choose good or evil means the responsibility for good and bad in the world is OURS.
You are free to choose. I hope you make choices that bring joy and happiness into your life. The second commandment Jesus gave was to love yourself so that you could love your neighbor as yourself. If your heart if full of self loathing or hate then the world you create is one where everyone hates themselves and each other.
The secret to loving yourself is to admit that you human and that you can make mistakes. Forgive yourself and ask others to forgive you too. Yet, forgiveness comes from repenting. Repenting means to be sorry for what you have done and to do your best not to do it again. Make peace with yourself by admitting to yourselves the wrongs you have done and then repent. As you gain forgiveness, you will find that you can look the person in the mirror in the eyes again and start to love again.
Love yourself. Then love others as you love yourself too. It's your choice to make because you are not a slave but a person with the freedom to choose. Choose wisely and God bless =)
Jesus saves. And all these Hollywood Freemasons/Satanists will find out what they have coming.
We’ll said brother. 2:13 gave me a good laugh to start my day.
You're just a garden variety fanatic. Relax.
To my understand, repent means you turn away from your sin and turn toward God.
Condescending and arrogant people like you is the part of the reason people turn away from religion. When you say "I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word", you are implaying to have some degree authority or sense about what's the real word of god.
You claim to experience the holy spirit of god when you wrote: "Once you experience the holy spirit of God enter you then you KNOW it's not a myth". How do you know for certain?
because you feel it? because god himself enlighted you? How do you know it was not some psycological phenomena in the state of extacy?
Yet you also say: "Wont they always blame what they can't comprehend instead of taking a deeper look at themselves? Too much self pride always comes before a fall into humility". Then you should take a deep look at yourself. Your first statement reflecs arrogant pride "I love when the lost try to act like an authority on God's word."
Another claim of yours: "Know that God is not a myth. Instead understand that he is everything and everywhere. He is always there beside us even though he gives us the freedom to decide on our own if we will do good or evil." is a pantheistic view that plenty of PhD schoolars would disagree.
Everyone has a different interpretation of holy books. & everyone thinks they're right. Ironically, most people have never even bothered to read the entire book they're interpreting.
Exactly, so since that being the case, how do people justify their beliefs when they don't even know the whole truth of their own faith? When people say they are Christians, for the most part, that to me says they haven't even read it from cover to cover.because once you do, if your being honest, it's filled with historical inaccuracies, immoral positions, and a god who thinks eternal torture is justified punishment for the slightest infraction, wow sign me up!
I like what he said about the Rabbi when they asked him
“Do u believe God wrote the Bible”
“No”
“Do u believe it is possible God wrote the Bible”
“Yes”
Funny joke , but in reality God breathed out The Bible and men simply dictated…
I believe that the bible is a collection of stories that was passed down orally, or in written text over thousands of years by people that had the same supernatural experiences
Some...but only some. Others actually happened.
@@edzanjero353 thats what I'm saying, obviously some people would've over exaggerate what actually happened
@@baker1714 ...possibly, but I think the opposite, that the speaker is exaggerating what he purports DID NOT happen. The Exodus is a good example.
@@edzanjero353 uhuh but think of the possibility that it did happen and just didn't get added because it sounded impossible, which is why he said "DID NOT happen"
@@edzanjero353 also those crazy impossible things that sound out of this world could have actually happened whether they were awake and sober or seeing a vision from a dmt or something else.
Also this world is so crazy and complex that the bible doesn't seem too far fetched
I think we have the inner faculties to hold the 'both' in life. Parables seem like wondrous containers of knowledge, and yet non need be actually true to be useful. Love these type of discussions. Thanks!
But they are true! That’s the beautiful: The Bible is truthful and useful. Happy Easter!
Nicely said.
That's because Modern culture has a materialistic, gutted version of "true" as their dogma, in their own version of "pleasure" religion
Yes true. Stories have merit.
But when you add...believe these things or burn in hell for eternity...it changes how useful they are
@@jejuislandtrekker8113 Happy Easter and late Equinox to you too!
That's an interesting angle I've never heard, he did a great job of explaining something very technical in the world of relationship between the believer and unbeliever...makes sense!
I think a major problem with religion today is that people haven't heard this "angle"
@@blindi6326 right!? Also to add to his angle, the Bible is also a book of metaphors that repeat the gospel, faith and overcoming the adversary, whatever that maybe.
You mean the Beaver and the Unbeaver
@@smackatoo 🤣 nice I see what ya did there!
You should watch Jordan Peterson's biblical series
Joe missed the whole explanation that some stories in the Bible can be exaggerations of a underlying reality
Those last couple sentences are very important.
I wish Joe would have on a theologian like John McCarthur or someone similar.
It wouldn’t matter. You have to believe, and you have to be drawn by the Spirit. MacArthur is brilliant, and he could break it down so it is understandable, but they still wouldn’t believe. Unless you are ready the Spirit won’t draw you. And to be ready you have to be broken.
@@wobblayed558 I agree, but I believe God uses teachers to share God's word, which I believe has the power to draw men to him.
The hardest myth to understand was the plot of “Red Belt” 😂😂😂
Red Belt is an amazing story. One of my favourites.
Damn I need to expand on this more , I grew up Christianity and sometimes I have thoughts about if I was conditioned to believe there is a hell and how it limits a lot of my actions.
It limits your interaction with evil/morally wrong aspects of the world, unless you want to go ahead and murder someone and you feel Christianity has held you back.
@@simeondias966 that’s an extreme version less extreme is smoking cannabis or getting piercings
Don’t you have a mind to think what right or wrong? Why do you need the sky daddy and fairy tales??
@@osamaqtaitat key words in comments like this are usually “grew up” aka my whole life.
Can we all just take a moment to admire how Jaimie doesn’t fuck up any of the grammar in the titles
I think it’s about time Rogan has actual Theologians that can give an articulate argument of faith and the history of faith. It’s cool to hear different perspectives, but I have yet to see Rogan invite a heavyweight like William Lane Craig, James White, or Voddie Baucham. Not just the usual “it’s a myth” crowd.
You want the “bend of backward to justify your belief” crowd.
But it is a myth
@@brandonjackson6270 why
@@backyardchickens6755 how am I justifying my beliefs?
James White lol
"you can tell the Earth is burning up because sometimes it cools down" wtf, blowing a lot of hot wind
He was trolling bra
And cold breezes......
This guy is a legit nut bag
Some places in the world are experiencing colder elements. Egypt, Texas and a few other places had snow. Now I'm in Canada and when it snowed in Texas we had nothing on the ground where I am. This is but a mild example to.
He was being facetious.
I wish Joe would talk to someone who knew about Rudolf Steiner or Manly P Hall
I'm an agnostic and I'm sure we all know what that is by now. But I've never liked the church but I like the teachings that came from their book. Organizations always prove to be corrupt at some point. They have a lot of good things to teach and things we can learn from. Whether we agree with the illogical logic that pops up in the myths.
I get this. I’m a Christian, and I go to a church where they believe the Bible and aren’t wishy washy about it, and the people are genuine, if they point out something in my life that’s not in line, it’s because they love me not to bring me down. Just saying this to encourage you or those reading, you might find a church that’s a blessing. If you don’t believe the Bible, you won’t have that foundation in common, so it is not going to be a fit. So it starts with the Bible. Strong man, don’t straw man it, investigate. Maybe you’ll be convinced. “Doubt your doubts”. Blessings to you~
@@vanessaburdine4865 I have no issues with the Bible it's the church as an organization I have an issue with. I believe that the Bible and books such as those are great in their teachings. But as things grow we as humans are prone to corruption. And I can't willingly choose to side with the church because I don't trust the organization as a whole. Also I say illogical logic because the myths/stories in the Bible seem illogical to someone who doesn't believe in it.
Nearly every fiction has some good things a person can get from it. The Bible also has some very immoral ways to live such as condoning slavery, sex slavery, and genocide.
Have you read The Great Controversy by Ellen White ?
The bible says on the seventh day he rested!
it also says Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness that in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that in the water under earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God!
and yet... EVERY single church has a statue of jesus on the cross...
your not supposed to do that!
It's important to remember that he is using the word "myth" as a description of ancient stories and literature, not truth. There are two primary definitions of "myth": 1. A traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events; 2. A widely held but false belief or idea. (New Oxford American Dictionary)
When someone says, "That's just a myth," they mean, "That's not true." When an anthropologist says, "This is their creation myth," he is describing a type of story or literature. That type of literature may or may not contain literal truth but often serves as a device to transmit existential truth and profound wisdom. Most people use the word "myth" primarily in its second sense, something that's not true. Even though most understand the word as it applies to ancient stories and literature, they automatically carry over the second sense of the word to mean the story contains no truth. That would be a mistake.
Poetry is another example. If someone asked a poet if their poetry is true, in most cases, they cannot answer with a simple yes or no. Poetry is not often literally true but that does not mean it has no truth. In fact, some would argue that the truth transmitted by poetry is more profound than literal truth.
I've come across two good descriptors for the early chapters of Genesis: "Mytho-History" and "Theologically Informed Saga". There are elements of literal and historical truth but they are told in the genre of myth. Their primary function is to transmit a truth beyond literal or historical truth.
That's what he means when he refers to the Bible as "myth". I will nitpick and say it's a generalization to call the Bible myth. The Bible is not a book, it's a library of many books written by different authors over a long period of time. It has myth, poetry, history, letters, apocalypse, gospels, wisdom literature, and more. Each of those is a different genre. Just as we read a newspaper, novel, letter, or poetry according to their genre, the books of the Bible should be read according to their genre.
When people argue whether creation happened in six days, it's obvious they do not understand the genre of literature they are dealing with. Ancient cultures did not have an understanding of modern scientific methods for acquiring and recording data nor did they have an understanding of modern historical narrative. When one reads literature through the wrong lens, it makes no sense. When read according to its genre, it can transmit profound truth.
Very well put
Bro wtf?
only fundamentalist protestants believe the earth was created in 6 earth days. im a Catholic Christian and believe most of genesis is allegorical. the Catholic Church does not teach that Genesis is literal or fictional, one way or the other, but it is known that different books in the Bible are written in different ways.
Somehow I feel like you didn't hear him say "Two octopus walk into a bar."
@@crobeastness Diehard Catholic here for over 50 years...attended mass 6 days a week. Rome...aka...The Vatican is responsible for millions of deaths all in the name of jesus. How many children have been raped by catholic priests?
Message of the Bible: "We (human beings) are very cunning but not very smart."
We have the selfish nature as Adam and Eve.
No other “religious” books start out with 2 naked people being told not to eat a certain fruit .
Human nature has not changed much
Have some respect
@@dilondo6531 what's being disrespected, friend?
Since the bible has been rewritten probably a thousand times by the church it's actually them who are calling you "not very smart".
Soon the bible must be rewritten again to fit the woke agenda, Jesus was a trans is next.
@@Kay-jg6tf of all the “modern” and corrupt versions of the Bible, there’s only one that is pure … the King James Version .
It’s the only one authorized under a King, and has no copyright, with no provable errors . Every word is pure, just like God, and just like He had promised us .
Psalms 12:6-7 “The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.”
King James… even the name is Jewish… “Jacob”
Ecclesiastes 8:4 “Where the word of a king is, there is power: and who may say unto him, What doest thou?”
Is this the guy who did the opening narration of Starfox 64
I'd like to learn more from him on this topic.
Dude definitely smokes DMT
@Boluga no
T BET NY LEFT NUT THAT YOUR WRONG ... 🤖
"we're very cunning but we're not very smart" Describes humanity perfectly....
Love this quote!
They criticize “particularly the Old Testament”… *references two New Testament passages. The complete ignorance of the Bible’s critics is astonishing…
There are people who rise from the dead in the Old Testament (look at the stories of Elijah and Elisha). Not so much walking on water, but certainly manipulating water (Red Sea, Joshua and the Jordan River, Elijah and the Jordan River, Elisha and the Jordan River, Elisha and raising the axe head).
One reference that no preacher, pastor, rabi, bible scholar or theologian has been able to refute or disprove is "The Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. In the 200 plus years since it was written, it is undisputed! And the reason it is undisputed is because it's indisputable... That's the problem with facts... They're indisputable!
I’m with u
The original Bible, the Torah was written in Hebrew which the letters are also used as numbers. The Torah is both numerical code and a collection of wisdom because everything in the universe is energy manifested through mathematics. The building blocks of everything is the 5 platonic solids, sacred geometry. The bible and most other religious teachings are really just deep understanding of mathematical patterns that repeat and express themselves from the tiniest aspects of creation to the cosmos and even within the human body/mind. From the fractal patterns in the branching and rooting of trees to create the most surface area to efficiently capture carbon and put it into the ground to the fractals of 5 in the body, head and 4 limbs then at the end of those limbs another fractal of 5. The brain is also a fractal, creating more folds to increase surface area for neurons without needing more space. The golden ratio expressed in a galaxy, pinecone, snail shell, sunflower, hurricane, and even the limbs of your body. The zodiac which is really more cosmic seasons. The Earth not only rotates (a day), orbits the sun (a year), but also is at a slight tilt creating a wobble. One cycle of this wobble taking around 25,920 years. The ancients divided the 360° path of the sun around the Earth, relative to the view from Earth, into 12 30° sections. Each section containing a constelation and taking around 2,160 years to pass thru. The vernal equinox being in front of the constellation of aries thus being the age of aries. Each star and planet giving off it's own frequency. The Earth's frequency, known as the Schumann resonance, being about 7.83hz. The sun being in front of each constellation giving off different intensities. These frequencies being associated with certain natural disasters, events in society, our emotions, personalities, even our purpose, all based on mathematics. These teachings in different religions and cultures are all the same info often written in metaphors and personifications due to persecution. Jesus not only representing a teacher of wisdom but also the SUN, and the 12 disciples being the zodiac. You'll see the zodiac in every culture. Even the pyramids are aligned with the sun or constellations. The names of the week are named after astrology. Sunday=Sun, Mon=moon,Tues=Mars, Wed=Mercury, Thurs=Jupiter, Fri= Venus, Sat= Saturn. More noticeable in other languages, the English versions come from Norse and other cultures. The Islamic symbol is the moon and venus. Even the story of Christ rising again is an allegory of the human body's anatomy. The claustrum produces an "oil" or cerebral spinal fluid, it flows down the 33 vertebrae of the spine and rises again if the body is in a state of homeostasis, rises back up the spine and hits the hypothalamus sits for 2-3 days and creates a bioelectric circuit causing the pineal gland (one example, genesis 32:30 mentions the pineal) to secrete more seratonin and dmt causing the individual to raise their consciousness. This is also the medical symbol, the caduceus, that represents healing and medicine. The rod is the spine, the 2 serpents are the left and right hemispheres of the brain, and the ball/pinecone on top is the pineal gland. The pineal gland also expressing the Fibonacci sequence/golden ratio. You're surrounded by symbolism, It's another language, again due to persecution and censorship which has been going on since the beginning of man. The ones that understand the true teachings either try to suppress it from the masses or try to share the teachings through symbolism due to persecution. You literally manipulate matter by your thoughts, emotions, and voice all based on mathematics and frequency. The pyramids, art from Leonardo da Vinci and countless others all express geometry that is reflected in the human body/mind. The 7 angels, 7 trumpets, 7 seals.... are the 7 "chakras" within the body which are just main energy centers that have clusters of nerves, connected to the endocrine system. The gonads/ovaries, pancreas, thymus, adrenal, thyroid, pineal, and pituitary glands which shouldn't be under or over producing certain hormones to connect the body, like an antenna, to the divine. Every aspect of our society has been engineered to prevent you from realizing this information to enslave you. John D Rockefeller for example created the board of education to create a "society of workers, not thinkers", he also monopolized the medical industry supressing cures for cancer, monopolized the oil industry, federal reserve, news and newspaper. Control the information people receive and you influence their choices and the way they see reality. Everything has been monopolized and the markets are manipulated, disasters are created, fear and division is pushed all for profit and control. This war of the mind has been going on since before biblical times so learn more about how sacred geometry is expressed in every aspect of reality and the human body/mind's potential.
So do you see the Bible as a work to help the masses by ascended teachers or is Jesus actually the Son of God and the events in it are true?