He’s right you are. Nobody likes Ohio State go blue. Guys are a bunch of entitled whiny soft fans. Oh well I guess you’re just gonna have to deal with them because it’s not gonna stop.
How about when people on TH-cam tell you you’re an absolutely horrible person for being an Ohio State fan? Do you like that better? PS - you’re horrible
We might be crazy, when it comes to the Michigan game. However, Kirk is the last person who needs to be discussing it. He is a traitor. Woodson and Desmond wear their fandom loud and proud. Herbstreit has gone out of his way to distance himself from Ohio State. We're done with him.
@@Al-Rudigor the problem with your statement is that commentators are supposed to be non biased. OSU fans have shit all over him , do you blame him? You guys are absolutely nuts.
@litedawg you didn't try to comprehend what I said at all. We know that commentators on every network are open about their allegiance to their schools. They carry flags and dress in their colors. I liked that he was objective at first. I thought it showed class and professionalism. However, he went from being objective to being downright dismissive of his alma mater. The alma mater who gave him the opportunity to be where he is now. He became a complete SEC shill. In other words he's not objective about Ohio State. He hates them for some reason. When we loved him. We didn't turn on him for no reason.
Kirk won’t be allowed back in the woody once his kid is off the team. He reported on a meeting that was closed to the media. The senior huddle is a players and parents only meeting. He should be getting more crap from his fellow media members for breaking basic ethics rules.
He’s been banned from the Woody since Tressel was here. He has 0 access to the team or coaches. He’s only allowed in for team & family events. That’s it.
Ohio State is one of the winningest programs with 6 titles. That’s an average of 1 title every 20 years. This expectation fans have to win a title is completely delusional. Finishing the season with an opportunity to compete in the playoffs should be the only expectation. If you get that 1 title every 20 years… great. But if you set that as the goal then you’re setting yourself up for failure and for disappointment.
100% agree that's what I say to all the idiots that say enjoy your meaningless bowl game and think that it has to be a championship every year over 130 football teams and 1 national champion. You are setting yourselves up for disappointment with that mindset
Ohio and lunacy is like saying water is wet. Tell us something we don’t know. It’s culturally and emotionally defective and we can all blame it on Woody Hayes and his paranoia.
Tons of people in Columbus didn't go because of the cold weather (many are elderly) and MANY were hoping and expecting to go to either the Rose Bowl, semis, or title game!!!! They can't afford to go to all four! For Tennessee this was a FIRST and obviously ONLY chance they took it. Can't blame them at all. But the estimate according to the ticket sites it was 17,000 sold to Tenn addresses.
I’ve been an Ohio State fan my entire life. I feel terrible for Ryan Day and the team having to deal with these “lunatic fringe” comments and everything else making the rest of Buckeye Nation look terrible. BUT it still doesn’t deny the fact that he’s on the hot seat. And should be. There’s your answer.
The problem is Kirk goes out of his way to criticize Ohio State, either because he has to tow the party line at ESPN or to overcompensate for being labeled a homer. But both of those are not honest positions. It’s why Kirk is hated
I love how everyone is now all of a sudden ready to give OSU the natty and 2 weeks ago was fire ryan day.... OSU is good but they lost to Oregon once this year and Oregon has played much better sense then not to mention Jordan Burch missed the 1st game and is healthy and there team is rested I'm not saying they OSU won't win but it's not gonna be a given win
Nope. Only a school like a 10-2 Ohio State(should be 9-3 with a Nebraska loss) would think they’re better than the 13-0 team who not only beat them but also beat Penn State and Boise State. That’s not fringe, that’s facts.
Michigan fan here. There's nothing crazy about expecting the staff to live up to their own standards at least some of the time. The remedy at OSU now seems to be to lower the standards. Both Day and the OSU AD have started to downplay The Game. They are lowering the standards. Let me say that again Ohio State coaches and AD have started to lower the standards at Ohio State for the football program. I hope they keep him forever. And yes, I am aware that Harbaugh had a rough start at Michigan before turning it around. The difference is where they started from. They don't call him 3rd Base Day for no reason.
Bro no offense, but Harbaugh will always have a losing record AND a cheating scandal over his head. Nobody outside of Michigan takes Jim Harbaugh and the Natty Michigan won seriously. I’m not trying to be a bitter Buckeye, but standards are not being lowered. They will always consider Michigan step one.
You old enough to remember John Cooper? They tried that before and started to become a B+ program. Ohio State needs Michigan like Batman needs Joker. I'm not comfortable with the down play. I don't spend all season hoping TTUN goes undefeated so the game is what it's meant to be. Beating Michigan is not a side quest.
@@danarose2677 I do remember those days. I think the position of the OSU staff and AD is that in the playoff era, you don't have to win the regular season rivalry games in order to win the bigger trophies like the NC. That is correct. It didn't used to be that way. You used to have to win The Game in order to have a shot at the title. They feel like putting that much emphasis on one game is hurting the program. They may be right. But it's tight needle to thread trying to look at the bigger picture but still not losing your edge. IMHO - The Michigan/Ohio State rivalry game is a championship game. If you pull off the gas for that one, you might not be able to get back up to speed for the rest.
@@intrepidus3378 I understand the logic of the coaching staff. But being a fan of a bunch of grown men playing sports isn't logical, lol. I am a fan of the playoffs I guess, but it will never feel right winning a Natty without winning the B1G and beating Michigan. Not that it's a given that the Bucks will win.
I am one of those mouthy Ohio State fans that does not like Ryan Day. When Ohio State plays like they did Saturday, there’s nobody in Ohio that wants him fired or any coach fired! But when they play like they did against Michigan and you can’t explain it. It’s like two different teams then yeah people are upset! People are tired of losing big games Clemson 19, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon at home a couple years ago, 4 straight to Michigan, Oregon again this year. That’s why Ohio State fans are jumping on Ryan Day. Be consistent play like you did Saturday night the rest of the way and you’ll have a parade if not pack your bags.
I like how the coach gets blamed yet it's the kids not showing up to play consistently. The o line actually played very well for once that's why the game went the way it did offensively.
Every time ohio state was shining kirk and reece did everything they could to bring up the michigan loss. I was about to mute it in all honesty. Crying about people being mad but bringing it up every 5 minutes 🤦🏼♂️
@@zenpool6142 bc it’s a big game. It’s been 4 years in a row with an L and especially this years Michigan team losing to them it’s bad. You act like they wouldn’t have talked about Michigan the same last year if they lost to OSU
That was completely frustrating. What fan wasn’t disgusted with their performance in the Michigan game?! What person has only 3 or 4 objectives on their job, and fail at all year after year- and still has job security? He also said there were 40k Tennessee fans there- only missed it by double!
Yeah, expecting your coaches to use the talent they recruit makes you a lunatic. Being disappointed when your coach loses consistently to your rival because he keeps trying to prove something to Lou Holtz makes you a lunatic. Expecting to win against a 6-5 team at home when your team is full of 4-5 star players makes you a lunatic
As an alumni and long time foot ball fan, the only thing that Ryan had not got it until this year is that he didn’t have solid defense. Despite all the great recruits and famous offense players, I never felt comfortable that Buckeyes can win national championships. Buckeyes never had good defense since 2014. I am very confident this year. Hopefully, it is not too late for Ryan. Yes. Some of fans have the right to be angry about losing four years in a row. Especially this year. Let us be honest , who want to show up and pay the ticket only to see Michigan players planting flag in the field.
22:56 Agreed! The “who do you hire?” Conversations only apply to the mids (Mich St, Penn St, LSU etc.) and lower echelon programs (Rutgers, Maryland, Arkansas, Syracuse etc.) .
For all you new fans not familiar with The BuckeyeNation. We are the largest and most notorious fanbase in all of CFB. I can take losing to ann arbor I can take the opposition talking slick. Thats part of sports in general. Herbert has issues with us which is fine and he makes it personal. He continues to use his platform to attack us and our staff. Ohio State is no different from any other top program. With that being said, Kirk is sensitive he reads our texts and he can't take it whenever we dish it back. Nobody in Buckeyenation cares about ESPN or GameDay. We don't care about Kirk or his feelings but we do care about our program and expect better when WE KNOW OUR TEAM IS CAPABLE OF DOING SO. There's a reason Tress banned him from The Woody and all of Buckeyenation agreed. Period.
Herbie is a lunatic for the SEC. Spent so much time talking about how good Tennessee was, while they were getting their asses handed to them. I mean, this is the same guy who was pissed Ohio State didn't congratulate him on his son going to TTUN. WTF did he expect? Lunatic alright.
The average Joe, who doesn't live in Ohio, care one bit about Ohio State football, and has 1/1000th of an ounce of sense, completely agrees with Herbie. Your desire to beat Michigan is so strong, that nothing else matters. That's fine. You'd certainly say 'it's an Ohio thing', and most of us college football fans would shrug and say 'okay'. I have a buddy who is a crazy Michigan fan, and he was saying the same thing about Harbaugh. Then when they won it all, he was ready to give the guy his firstborn. Some of us just aren't wrapped too tight. The nature of human beings I guess.
The only thing I am going to argue with is ppl buying tickets. Do you know how much those are? My friend who runs a medical building screenshot the prices and said no. The economy isn’t great, so fans who would want to be there and be loud can’t really afford it. So I’d ask not to base it off who is buying tickets.
Here's my thoughts (take it with a grain of salt). The lunatic fringe and the apathetic fan base are directly related. In my anecdotal opinion, these algorithms are force feeding fan bases content from the lunatic fringe (who IS the loudest and most aggressive) and changing the fan base's perspective causing anger and apathy. I'm pretty sure the algorithm is working because this is the 4th video today I've watched about Kirk, and I really don't care about him.
As a Buckeye I despise the do-or-die nature of this game. I want my program to win 11 games every year and occasionally win the title. I don’t care about specific regular season games. The superfan mentality creates a toxic environment, and all for a regular season game? In a year that we had a better record than them?
Herbie has experienced the lunatic fringe up close, they literally ran and him and his family out of Columbus. They expected him to be rah rah for Ohio State. He can't he has to be non partial, he is broadcasting games. He calls a great game, very good at his job. I used to get on him about engaging with people on twitter. Desmond doesn't call games, that's the difference. Kirk picked the Buckeyes over Tennessee. He loves Ohio State there is a great picture of him and Eddie George celebrating after they beat Miami for the National championship. We are so spoiled just like the Bama fans, we are delusional. OH
A lot of faithful Buckeye fans don't like Herbstreit. Even though he attended and played for Ohio State, he hasn't exactly been a loyal, faithful and compassionate Buckeye fan. Then you add stuff like this where he intentionally and openly targets, attacks and insults only "Ohio State" fans, it makes us dislike him even more. You have to wonder about a guy who won't stand up for and defend his alma mater, but instead talks bad about his alma mater fans behind their backs.
We will see what you are saying after the NCAA gets done with michigan. The old saying is cheaters never win and michigan is not special in that regard. You also have short term memory. michigan 3 and OSU 17 in 20 yrs previous.
Good Lord, people, educate yourselves. The soulless mouthpieces are the people engaged full-time in giving Ohio State rhetorical neck rubs and constantly making excuses for them regardless of their level of execution. Herbstreit told the truth about Ohio State and the lunatic fringe, which is less fringe at Ohio State than virtually any other school of its size, keeps proving him right. Think about the level of unbalanced necessary to vandalize a guy’s house because he (accurately) observes problems in your football team, particularly when it’s his job to be objective. Jim Harbaugh failed to deliver a single win against Ohio State in his first 7 years in Ann Arbor. Did he require armed security at his house the way Ryan Day did just 2 weeks ago? No. The rational Buckeyes need to reign in the psychobilly mouth breathers embarrassing your program; it’s not Kirk Herbstreit’s problem that he happens to see and report that Colonel Mustard is stalking Ryan Day in the kitchen with a wrench.
The problem with Herbstreit is his loyalty to Cooper, rightfully so. But us fans will not suffer another "Cooper Years". Day gets it though, and he is damn good but must produce a win and CC and eventually a Natty.
OSU has never won a National title in a season where they lost to Michigan. Ryan Day is a great coach but if he cannot beat Michigan then he doesn’t belong at OSU. No repeats of the Cooper era wanted here
Toe that ESPN company line Kirk. Hes made because all his kids werent good enough to play at osu and no one congratulated his son for being a walk on to the rivals.
Osu fan, The issue is not that ohio state lost to michigan again but how. Ryan day and chip kelley with this ohio state team only scored 10 points on a michigan team that was 6-5. That is the issue. Why didnt they change the play calling when what they were doing was not working.
Tennessee literally called themselves rabid lunatics, with the craziest fanbase in sports for 2 weeks, noone said a word about it and as soon as ohio state won everyone is calling osu fans the lunatics lmao. I gotta stop reading the comments cause yall are just not makkng sense no more
I’ve spent a lot of time with different fanbases. Every fan base has its fair share of crazies. However, in my own anecdotal experience, no fan base has more immature and irrational fans than Ohio State comprised of adults with an unhealthy obsession with OSU football.
You ever met Bama fans hahaha. There's so many ohio state fans I think people just see more of them than anyone else but spending 20 years in columbus I never understood why people say things about the fanbase cause I've never seen any of these things
Ryan Day should not be fired. This team has not looked this good in a while. What you do is you build on these years and you get stronger through the portal. Its about staying in striking distance every year. Look at Michigan, they won it last year and this year they are barely bowl eligible. So they beat Ohio State but they are not in the playoffs so who has it better? The goal is to be in striking distance of the natty every year and Ohio State is getting there. Chip and Day are a good combo. They are going to be successful. What if Georgia, USC, Oregon, Alabama, Michigan, Texas all pull the plug on their coach if they don't win the conference, beat their rival and win the natty? How long do you give a coaching staff before you replace them? 3 years? 5 years? 7 years? What is reasonable? At what point is it lunacy and what is reasonable fan expectations?
Ryan day wanted to out physical Michigan.That's why that game plan was the way it was. He wanted An old-fashioned win and got beat old-fashioned. For the 4th time. I stuck up for him the last 3 years. he gets to the natty, saves his job. Want him to be successful! Think he's a class act. You show up to the race and you have a vet and you get by aprius. For the fourth time you fire your mechanic.
Herbstreit is not liked around the Woody.... the story about how the fans drove him out of Cbus is a Lie. He was given an option concerning Cbus or marriage... you decide.
When you see how Ohio State demolished Tennessee then you should understand the BIG NEGATIVE RESPONSE LOSING TO MICHIGAN ... You saw the play calling IDIOCY. OSU had enough points (14) in 6 minutes & 51 seconds against Tennessee to beat Michigan. ALL THE INTELLIGENT BUCKEYE FANS SAW RUNNING UP THE MIDDLE AT MICHIGAN WAS STUPID (as it happened) & NO TARGETS TO J.J. SMITH IN THE 2ND HALF. Against a 6 - 5 BAD MICHIGAN TEAM THAT HADN'T WON ONE ROAD GAME ALL YEAR.
I’m convinced Day will resign after the season. Win or lose the national title. He had to have a security patrol for his family after the Oregon loss because of the moronic OSU fans who have no life and get their self esteem from the football team. Who would want to live with that?
The reality with Ohio and it's "lunatic fringe" which quite frankly that team has one of the most trashy and obnoxious fan bases on the planet. Ohio romanticizes beating Michigan for 20 years when Michigan had 2 horrible athletic directors and coaches in a row on top of a president that hated sports. Michigan was a dumpster fire. What did Ohio do besides beat Michigan that 20 years? Basically nothing. They have one dusty, crusty national championship from over a decade ago. What does Ohio do now Michigan has an aligned and competent culture from president down to athletic director and coach? They get their ass kicked again just like they did with John Cooper.
Kirk started losing hometown fans back when he said he would not send a child to play for Jim T. Day took Job its why he gets 10-12 million a year. Smith hired a guy with know prior head coach experience none. Truth is he was good OC but lets see he had Barrett as Sr Haskins as a Jr who was really good and became 1st round pick Justin Fields5 star first round CJ Stroud 4 star star first round his choice . The one who should been great was his McCord 3 years he was with Day he ended up being Average.
21 and 22 Michigan was cheating... we KNOW this. 23 was the best team Michigan's had in at least 25 yrs. 24 was inexplicable and unacceptable. Not a chance in hell i'd fire him over it tho. He's finishing up his 6th season as a HC. Either we'll get the best of him or somebody else will cuz hes only going to get better. If Day wins Natty this year, his career mirrors the beginning of Smart's pretty closely
Just take the four Michigan losses out, again lost to Clemson lost Alabama lost to Georgia lost to Oregon at home lost Oregon again in Eugene too many big losses! then you had to four straight losses to Michigan. It’s gotta stop
Ohio State loses to Michigan, almost loses to Nebraska(people keep forgetting that) and loses to Oregon. Oregon beats Ohio State, Penn State, and Boise State and because Ohio State stomped a bad SEC team they’re ready to say they’re winning it all. Vegas is just profiting off all the hype that’s being created. They’re not winning anything. The season has shown the chemistry of their team is flawed. Bet wisely.
Day should absolutely not even be considerd to be fired. he lost to ttun 4 years in a row...well THREE of those years xichigans coaches had ALLof our signals! If you dont think that had a giant impact on those games you dont know what you are talking about. i have coached football at the hs level and i have agood idea of what that would mean. lost to ga in 22 semi. the game was in ga..we see today the impact of home field advantage. Mavin was KNOCKED OUT by a dirty hit .That changed the coarse of that game. That weird tripod thing that we have never seen before or after that gave ga a huge critical first down..and we still almost won..georgia 22 natty..your ass sucks canal water!
He has to take a dog to work due to mental health issues. Not hating on his problems. But he shouldn’t be insulting other people as lunatics and fringe!
You’ll be disappointed if you think Ohio State doesn’t cheat, particularly with recruiting pre NIL. Plus they have sign stealers too, as does Clemson, Alabama, USC, Georgia, etc
Ohio State has underachieved since day took over for the amount of talent they brought in since 2017. Beating Tennessee means nothing and kirk wants to gaslight everyone into forgetting the expectations for this team. Anything other making the title game is a failure this year for osu.
Pay Ohio State fans you are all cocky you all think your God’s greatest gift to football and you’re all soft. Get used to it that perception is not changing and you guys are gonna lose to Oregon next week go blue
When the entire football world was against Mich the response was 1 word…. BET!!! Ohio State and their fans are snowflakes and all you see is people crying on the internet about what the Bad Man said Yall won for god’s sake
Michigan definitely cares a ton about beating OSU, but they don’t care as much as the Bucknuts, who care to a delusionally toxic level. It’s simultaneously pathetic yet incredibly entertaining when something goes wrong and they lose their minds.
ESPN is the toxic "Lunatic Fringe" of college football
Bingo
People will not admit it but college football is the most popular sport because of ESPN’s investments
I’m sick of turning on the TV and hearing Kirk tell me how horrible I am for being an Ohio State fan
YES!!!
He’s right you are. Nobody likes Ohio State go blue.
Guys are a bunch of entitled whiny soft fans. Oh well I guess you’re just gonna have to deal with them because it’s not gonna stop.
How about when people on TH-cam tell you you’re an absolutely horrible person for being an Ohio State fan? Do you like that better? PS - you’re horrible
Kirk proved he’s a voice for bigger heads above him with Disney/abc/espn. Can’t trust his opinions for his own. Bought and paid for
Exactly
We might be crazy, when it comes to the Michigan game. However, Kirk is the last person who needs to be discussing it. He is a traitor. Woodson and Desmond wear their fandom loud and proud. Herbstreit has gone out of his way to distance himself from Ohio State. We're done with him.
@@Al-Rudigor the problem with your statement is that commentators are supposed to be non biased. OSU fans have shit all over him , do you blame him? You guys are absolutely nuts.
@litedawg you didn't try to comprehend what I said at all. We know that commentators on every network are open about their allegiance to their schools. They carry flags and dress in their colors. I liked that he was objective at first. I thought it showed class and professionalism. However, he went from being objective to being downright dismissive of his alma mater. The alma mater who gave him the opportunity to be where he is now. He became a complete SEC shill. In other words he's not objective about Ohio State. He hates them for some reason. When we loved him. We didn't turn on him for no reason.
@@Al-Rudigor no decent commentator carries flags for their team at their broadcast get lost clown you are the lunatic fringe
Kirk is still upset Pryor asked him his record against TTUN, and the fanbase didn't defend Kirk.
Herbie knows good and well that had Ryan Day and Ohio State lost to Tennessee, that Day would have been axed with a quickness.
Kirk won’t be allowed back in the woody once his kid is off the team. He reported on a meeting that was closed to the media. The senior huddle is a players and parents only meeting. He should be getting more crap from his fellow media members for breaking basic ethics rules.
He’s been banned from the Woody since Tressel was here. He has 0 access to the team or coaches. He’s only allowed in for team & family events. That’s it.
Ohio State is one of the winningest programs with 6 titles. That’s an average of 1 title every 20 years. This expectation fans have to win a title is completely delusional. Finishing the season with an opportunity to compete in the playoffs should be the only expectation. If you get that 1 title every 20 years… great. But if you set that as the goal then you’re setting yourself up for failure and for disappointment.
100% agree that's what I say to all the idiots that say enjoy your meaningless bowl game and think that it has to be a championship every year over 130 football teams and 1 national champion. You are setting yourselves up for disappointment with that mindset
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Perfect analysis! Let’s not forget that Michigan was being encouraged by their fan base to fire Harbaugh after his consecutive loses to OSU!
Saying a 67-10 coach is coaching for his job isn’t rational
Ohio and lunacy is like saying water is wet. Tell us something we don’t know. It’s culturally and emotionally defective and we can all blame it on Woody Hayes and his paranoia.
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Tons of people in Columbus didn't go because of the cold weather (many are elderly) and MANY were hoping and expecting to go to either the Rose Bowl, semis, or title game!!!! They can't afford to go to all four! For Tennessee this was a FIRST and obviously ONLY chance they took it. Can't blame them at all. But the estimate according to the ticket sites it was 17,000 sold to Tenn addresses.
I’ve been an Ohio State fan my entire life. I feel terrible for Ryan Day and the team having to deal with these “lunatic fringe” comments and everything else making the rest of Buckeye Nation look terrible. BUT it still doesn’t deny the fact that he’s on the hot seat. And should be. There’s your answer.
The standard is the standard man.
Buckeye nation exit doesn’t have to do a lot. Nobody likes you guys as a fan base you’re cocky and soft. Go blue
He’s not on the hot seat
Terrelle Pryor was right about Herbstreit
If OHIO STATE wins the Nat'l Championship it will be great , BUT IT WILL STILL HAVE AN ASTERISK NEXT TO IT FOR DIEHARD BUCKEYE FANS
Then put your money where your mouth is and don't celebrate it.
Yo the lunatic fringe is the Tennessee fans that traveled up to Columbus and thought in their heart of hearts they had a chance! Bahahahah
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they talked so crazy to. delusional lunatics lmao
The problem is Kirk goes out of his way to criticize Ohio State, either because he has to tow the party line at ESPN or to overcompensate for being labeled a homer. But both of those are not honest positions. It’s why Kirk is hated
Was a lot of orange in the stands at kickoff. They didn’t last long at the game. The Ohio State fans buried them with all the chants.
Kirts just mad at Ohio State fans because they had been making fun of his son and the fact that hes going to Michigan all week.
I think people forget school was out as well. So the student population was a lot lower.
I love how everyone is now all of a sudden ready to give OSU the natty and 2 weeks ago was fire ryan day.... OSU is good but they lost to Oregon once this year and Oregon has played much better sense then not to mention Jordan Burch missed the 1st game and is healthy and there team is rested I'm not saying they OSU won't win but it's not gonna be a given win
Gosh, could this be the lunatic fringe fan base?
Nope. Only a school like a 10-2 Ohio State(should be 9-3 with a Nebraska loss) would think they’re better than the 13-0 team who not only beat them but also beat Penn State and Boise State. That’s not fringe, that’s facts.
Michigan fan here.
There's nothing crazy about expecting the staff to live up to their own standards at least some of the time.
The remedy at OSU now seems to be to lower the standards. Both Day and the OSU AD have started to downplay The Game. They are lowering the standards.
Let me say that again
Ohio State coaches and AD have started to lower the standards at Ohio State for the football program.
I hope they keep him forever. And yes, I am aware that Harbaugh had a rough start at Michigan before turning it around. The difference is where they started from. They don't call him 3rd Base Day for no reason.
Bro no offense, but Harbaugh will always have a losing record AND a cheating scandal over his head. Nobody outside of Michigan takes Jim Harbaugh and the Natty Michigan won seriously. I’m not trying to be a bitter Buckeye, but standards are not being lowered. They will always consider Michigan step one.
You old enough to remember John Cooper? They tried that before and started to become a B+ program. Ohio State needs Michigan like Batman needs Joker. I'm not comfortable with the down play. I don't spend all season hoping TTUN goes undefeated so the game is what it's meant to be. Beating Michigan is not a side quest.
@@danarose2677 I do remember those days.
I think the position of the OSU staff and AD is that in the playoff era, you don't have to win the regular season rivalry games in order to win the bigger trophies like the NC. That is correct. It didn't used to be that way. You used to have to win The Game in order to have a shot at the title. They feel like putting that much emphasis on one game is hurting the program. They may be right. But it's tight needle to thread trying to look at the bigger picture but still not losing your edge.
IMHO - The Michigan/Ohio State rivalry game is a championship game. If you pull off the gas for that one, you might not be able to get back up to speed for the rest.
@@intrepidus3378 I understand the logic of the coaching staff. But being a fan of a bunch of grown men playing sports isn't logical, lol. I am a fan of the playoffs I guess, but it will never feel right winning a Natty without winning the B1G and beating Michigan. Not that it's a given that the Bucks will win.
You went 7-5 worry about your on standards😂
I am one of those mouthy Ohio State fans that does not like Ryan Day. When Ohio State plays like they did Saturday, there’s nobody in Ohio that wants him fired or any coach fired! But when they play like they did against Michigan and you can’t explain it. It’s like two different teams then yeah people are upset! People are tired of losing big games Clemson 19, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon at home a couple years ago, 4 straight to Michigan, Oregon again this year. That’s why Ohio State fans are jumping on Ryan Day. Be consistent play like you did Saturday night the rest of the way and you’ll have a parade if not pack your bags.
Same
you are misguided and wrong. dead wrong
@lostbuckeye22 he's not the big games we play the team doesn't show up
I like how the coach gets blamed yet it's the kids not showing up to play consistently. The o line actually played very well for once that's why the game went the way it did offensively.
@ the player should get some of the blame, but the game plan obviously was completely different than the Michigan game and that’s on the coaches
Every time ohio state was shining kirk and reece did everything they could to bring up the michigan loss. I was about to mute it in all honesty. Crying about people being mad but bringing it up every 5 minutes 🤦🏼♂️
@@zenpool6142 bc it’s a big game. It’s been 4 years in a row with an L and especially this years Michigan team losing to them it’s bad. You act like they wouldn’t have talked about Michigan the same last year if they lost to OSU
Always loved listening to Ari and Bill.
I live in Columbus and a die hard Buckeye, and I like you Ari. Always thought you were a great writer when you were here
Measured people don't get angry and lash out online. You'll never hear what they think.
That was completely frustrating. What fan wasn’t disgusted with their performance in the Michigan game?! What person has only 3 or 4 objectives on their job, and fail at all year after year- and still has job security?
He also said there were 40k Tennessee fans there- only missed it by double!
Desmond Howard is loyal to Michigan. Herbstreit is loyal to money.
Yeah, expecting your coaches to use the talent they recruit makes you a lunatic. Being disappointed when your coach loses consistently to your rival because he keeps trying to prove something to Lou Holtz makes you a lunatic. Expecting to win against a 6-5 team at home when your team is full of 4-5 star players makes you a lunatic
My opinion, Herbstreit at times goes out of his way to be critical of OSU, to make it look he is not a Homer.
As an alumni and long time foot ball fan, the only thing that Ryan had not got it until this year is that he didn’t have solid defense. Despite all the great recruits and famous offense players, I never felt comfortable that Buckeyes can win national championships. Buckeyes never had good defense since 2014. I am very confident this year. Hopefully, it is not too late for Ryan. Yes. Some of fans have the right to be angry about losing four years in a row. Especially this year. Let us be honest , who want to show up and pay the ticket only to see Michigan players planting flag in the field.
22:56 Agreed! The “who do you hire?” Conversations only apply to the mids (Mich St, Penn St, LSU etc.) and lower echelon programs (Rutgers, Maryland, Arkansas, Syracuse etc.) .
It was a century ago that OSU lost in back to back seasons, 1922, 1923 and 1924.
For all you new fans not familiar with The BuckeyeNation. We are the largest and most notorious fanbase in all of CFB. I can take losing to ann arbor I can take the opposition talking slick. Thats part of sports in general. Herbert has issues with us which is fine and he makes it personal. He continues to use his platform to attack us and our staff. Ohio State is no different from any other top program. With that being said, Kirk is sensitive he reads our texts and he can't take it whenever we dish it back. Nobody in Buckeyenation cares about ESPN or GameDay. We don't care about Kirk or his feelings but we do care about our program and expect better when WE KNOW OUR TEAM IS CAPABLE OF DOING SO. There's a reason Tress banned him from The Woody and all of Buckeyenation agreed. Period.
Herbie is a lunatic for the SEC. Spent so much time talking about how good Tennessee was, while they were getting their asses handed to them. I mean, this is the same guy who was pissed Ohio State didn't congratulate him on his son going to TTUN. WTF did he expect? Lunatic alright.
The average Joe, who doesn't live in Ohio, care one bit about Ohio State football, and has 1/1000th of an ounce of sense, completely agrees with Herbie. Your desire to beat Michigan is so strong, that nothing else matters. That's fine. You'd certainly say 'it's an Ohio thing', and most of us college football fans would shrug and say 'okay'. I have a buddy who is a crazy Michigan fan, and he was saying the same thing about Harbaugh. Then when they won it all, he was ready to give the guy his firstborn. Some of us just aren't wrapped too tight. The nature of human beings I guess.
Buckeye fans are toxic. They love Day and Howard when they win but when they lose they get death threats.
The Fire Ryan Day campaign starts up again Jan 1st
The only thing I am going to argue with is ppl buying tickets. Do you know how much those are? My friend who runs a medical building screenshot the prices and said no. The economy isn’t great, so fans who would want to be there and be loud can’t really afford it. So I’d ask not to base it off who is buying tickets.
Has ESPN jumped the shark?
Can't say GUN!!
Love the Happy Days reference
No one is mentioning that the Skull Session was only half full. That's embarrassing.
Herbie is a great ladies man
Here's my thoughts (take it with a grain of salt). The lunatic fringe and the apathetic fan base are directly related. In my anecdotal opinion, these algorithms are force feeding fan bases content from the lunatic fringe (who IS the loudest and most aggressive) and changing the fan base's perspective causing anger and apathy. I'm pretty sure the algorithm is working because this is the 4th video today I've watched about Kirk, and I really don't care about him.
As a Buckeye I despise the do-or-die nature of this game. I want my program to win 11 games every year and occasionally win the title. I don’t care about specific regular season games. The superfan mentality creates a toxic environment, and all for a regular season game? In a year that we had a better record than them?
Desmond Howard just picked against Michigan on Saturday
Just remember Herbie was QB of a team that lost 3 games and tied 1. He’s used to being a loser
Herbie has experienced the lunatic fringe up close, they literally ran and him and his family out of Columbus. They expected him to be rah rah for Ohio State. He can't he has to be non partial, he is broadcasting games. He calls a great game, very good at his job. I used to get on him about engaging with people on twitter. Desmond doesn't call games, that's the difference. Kirk picked
the Buckeyes over Tennessee. He loves Ohio State there is a great picture of him and Eddie George celebrating after they beat Miami for the National championship. We are so spoiled just like the Bama fans, we are delusional. OH
So if Ohio state beat Michigan every year but never got to the playoff, they would be happy lol
A lot of faithful Buckeye fans don't like Herbstreit. Even though he attended and played for Ohio State, he hasn't exactly been a loyal, faithful and compassionate Buckeye fan. Then you add stuff like this where he intentionally and openly targets, attacks and insults only "Ohio State" fans, it makes us dislike him even more. You have to wonder about a guy who won't stand up for and defend his alma mater, but instead talks bad about his alma mater fans behind their backs.
We will see what you are saying after the NCAA gets done with michigan. The old saying is cheaters never win and michigan is not special in that regard. You also have short term memory. michigan 3 and OSU 17 in 20 yrs previous.
Ohio States “lunatic fringe” is probably more people than most programs total fanbase. Lunatic fringe… I know you’re out there…
Herbstreit is a soulless mouthpiece for his billionaire bosses
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Good Lord, people, educate yourselves.
The soulless mouthpieces are the people engaged full-time in giving Ohio State rhetorical neck rubs and constantly making excuses for them regardless of their level of execution. Herbstreit told the truth about Ohio State and the lunatic fringe, which is less fringe at Ohio State than virtually any other school of its size, keeps proving him right.
Think about the level of unbalanced necessary to vandalize a guy’s house because he (accurately) observes problems in your football team, particularly when it’s his job to be objective.
Jim Harbaugh failed to deliver a single win against Ohio State in his first 7 years in Ann Arbor. Did he require armed security at his house the way Ryan Day did just 2 weeks ago? No. The rational Buckeyes need to reign in the psychobilly mouth breathers embarrassing your program; it’s not Kirk Herbstreit’s problem that he happens to see and report that Colonel Mustard is stalking Ryan Day in the kitchen with a wrench.
ND lunatic fringe wanted Freeman fired and Leonard benched week 2...and they were loud and booing at the games. But they were just idiots
The problem with Herbstreit is his loyalty to Cooper, rightfully so. But us fans will not suffer another "Cooper Years". Day gets it though, and he is damn good but must produce a win and CC and eventually a Natty.
Spot on Ari
lost to the suckie duckies at their stadium with a terrible call at the most critical point of the game. Day is a great coach.
OSU has never won a National title in a season where they lost to Michigan. Ryan Day is a great coach but if he cannot beat Michigan then he doesn’t belong at OSU. No repeats of the Cooper era wanted here
Toe that ESPN company line Kirk. Hes made because all his kids werent good enough to play at osu and no one congratulated his son for being a walk on to the rivals.
Osu fan,
The issue is not that ohio state lost to michigan again but how.
Ryan day and chip kelley with this ohio state team only scored 10 points on a michigan team that was 6-5. That is the issue. Why didnt they change the play calling when what they were doing was not working.
Tennessee literally called themselves rabid lunatics, with the craziest fanbase in sports for 2 weeks, noone said a word about it and as soon as ohio state won everyone is calling osu fans the lunatics lmao. I gotta stop reading the comments cause yall are just not makkng sense no more
I’ve spent a lot of time with different fanbases. Every fan base has its fair share of crazies. However, in my own anecdotal experience, no fan base has more immature and irrational fans than Ohio State comprised of adults with an unhealthy obsession with OSU football.
You ever met Bama fans hahaha. There's so many ohio state fans I think people just see more of them than anyone else but spending 20 years in columbus I never understood why people say things about the fanbase cause I've never seen any of these things
Yea your name says all I need to know about u
Kirk’s a buckeye, but he doesn’t come off as one
Ryan Day should not be fired. This team has not looked this good in a while. What you do is you build on these years and you get stronger through the portal. Its about staying in striking distance every year. Look at Michigan, they won it last year and this year they are barely bowl eligible. So they beat Ohio State but they are not in the playoffs so who has it better? The goal is to be in striking distance of the natty every year and Ohio State is getting there. Chip and Day are a good combo. They are going to be successful. What if Georgia, USC, Oregon, Alabama, Michigan, Texas all pull the plug on their coach if they don't win the conference, beat their rival and win the natty? How long do you give a coaching staff before you replace them? 3 years? 5 years? 7 years? What is reasonable? At what point is it lunacy and what is reasonable fan expectations?
Ryan day wanted to out physical Michigan.That's why that game plan was the way it was. He wanted
An old-fashioned win and got beat old-fashioned. For the 4th time. I stuck up for him the last 3 years. he gets to the natty, saves his job.
Want him to be successful! Think he's a class act. You show up to the race and you have a vet and you get by aprius. For the fourth time you fire your mechanic.
i’d be mad to if i only through 4 touchdowns in a season as a starting qb dude stunk lmao
Pretty sure Dez picked USC over Michigan....
Herbstreit is not liked around the Woody.... the story about how the fans drove him out of Cbus is a Lie. He was given an option concerning Cbus or marriage... you decide.
When you see how Ohio State demolished Tennessee then you should understand the BIG NEGATIVE RESPONSE LOSING TO MICHIGAN ... You saw the play calling IDIOCY. OSU had enough points (14) in 6 minutes & 51 seconds against Tennessee to beat Michigan. ALL THE INTELLIGENT BUCKEYE FANS SAW RUNNING UP THE MIDDLE AT MICHIGAN WAS STUPID (as it happened) & NO TARGETS TO J.J. SMITH IN THE 2ND HALF. Against a 6 - 5 BAD MICHIGAN TEAM THAT HADN'T WON ONE ROAD GAME ALL YEAR.
Kirk genuinely thinks he’s bigger than Ohio State 🤡 Ryan Day aint Torg. Herbie ain’t doin anything
What’s with the Zach smith hate?
It’s not the biggest robbery in college football. That’s such a laughable take
Herbie cheating on his wife again
Ari must have been in a food coma in 2019 Day did dominate Michigan and win a Big Championship.
I’m convinced Day will resign after the season. Win or lose the national title. He had to have a security patrol for his family after the Oregon loss because of the moronic OSU fans who have no life and get their self esteem from the football team. Who would want to live with that?
Andy, faithfully carrying on the eSpin BS. Not talking about the TN thrashing, just BS.
Michigan fans are loving all of this Ohio state negativity and controversy. Keep it coming
The reality with Ohio and it's "lunatic fringe" which quite frankly that team has one of the most trashy and obnoxious fan bases on the planet. Ohio romanticizes beating Michigan for 20 years when Michigan had 2 horrible athletic directors and coaches in a row on top of a president that hated sports. Michigan was a dumpster fire. What did Ohio do besides beat Michigan that 20 years? Basically nothing. They have one dusty, crusty national championship from over a decade ago. What does Ohio do now Michigan has an aligned and competent culture from president down to athletic director and coach? They get their ass kicked again just like they did with John Cooper.
Kirk always pics Ohio when he picks games. Not sure what you guys are talking about
It is NOT the general sentiment. It just gets clicks.
Kirk started losing hometown fans back when he said he would not send a child to play for Jim T. Day took Job its why he gets 10-12 million a year. Smith hired a guy with know prior head coach experience none. Truth is he was good OC but lets see he had Barrett as Sr Haskins as a Jr who was really good and became 1st round pick Justin Fields5 star first round CJ Stroud 4 star star first round his choice . The one who should been great was his McCord 3 years he was with Day he ended up being Average.
21 and 22 Michigan was cheating... we KNOW this.
23 was the best team Michigan's had in at least 25 yrs.
24 was inexplicable and unacceptable. Not a chance in hell i'd fire him over it tho.
He's finishing up his 6th season as a HC. Either we'll get the best of him or somebody else will cuz hes only going to get better.
If Day wins Natty this year, his career mirrors the beginning of Smart's pretty closely
Desmond Howard picked USC to beat Michigan Ohio boy
Just take the four Michigan losses out, again lost to Clemson lost Alabama lost to Georgia lost to Oregon at home lost Oregon again in Eugene too many big losses! then you had to four straight losses to Michigan. It’s gotta stop
Ohio State loses to Michigan, almost loses to Nebraska(people keep forgetting that) and loses to Oregon. Oregon beats Ohio State, Penn State, and Boise State and because Ohio State stomped a bad SEC team they’re ready to say they’re winning it all. Vegas is just profiting off all the hype that’s being created. They’re not winning anything. The season has shown the chemistry of their team is flawed. Bet wisely.
Oregon almost loss to Boise and Wisconsin? Going to be a good game, OSU should be favored though
Day should absolutely not even be considerd to be fired. he lost to ttun 4 years in a row...well THREE of those years xichigans coaches had ALLof our signals! If you dont think that had a giant impact on those games you dont know what you are talking about. i have coached football at the hs level and i have agood idea of what that would mean. lost to ga in 22 semi. the game was in ga..we see today the impact of home field advantage. Mavin was KNOCKED OUT by a dirty hit .That changed the coarse of that game. That weird tripod thing that we have never seen before or after that gave ga a huge critical first down..and we still almost won..georgia 22 natty..your ass sucks canal water!
He has to take a dog to work due to mental health issues. Not hating on his problems. But he shouldn’t be insulting other people as lunatics and fringe!
GO BLUE
M GO BLUE!!!
Why has everyone conveniently forgot that michigan cheated for 3 of those seasons that they WON! We are giving Ryan Day hell for that.
You still on that? We own you 4-0
You’ll be disappointed if you think Ohio State doesn’t cheat, particularly with recruiting pre NIL. Plus they have sign stealers too, as does Clemson, Alabama, USC, Georgia, etc
So what was the excuse this time?
We won this last game FAIR so whats your excuse now? Cant wait till oregon destroys you again
Mostly in the 2022 where connor must of shot up the o line with some magical drink or something to open up 5 yard wide holes right?
the cheating matters...alot
He voted for Kamala Harris
10:39 we don’t like you cause youre a crybaby lol like Zach Smith is Voldemort
Herbie is a joke
Ah... would have been great to see all thay orange present during a win. But alas tennesee sucked.
Ohio State has underachieved since day took over for the amount of talent they brought in since 2017. Beating Tennessee means nothing and kirk wants to gaslight everyone into forgetting the expectations for this team. Anything other making the title game is a failure this year for osu.
Pay Ohio State fans you are all cocky you all think your God’s greatest gift to football and you’re all soft.
Get used to it that perception is not changing and you guys are gonna lose to Oregon next week go blue
The lunatic fringe has invaded this comment section. Herbie is correct 🤣🤣🤣
When the entire football world was against Mich the response was 1 word…. BET!!! Ohio State and their fans are snowflakes and all you see is people crying on the internet about what the Bad Man said Yall won for god’s sake
Actually, the one word was CHEAT.
@ that’s fine bro. We don’t care and Ohio can’t do anything about it. 13-10 homie
@ Ohio State fans are so good at talking but not so good at winning
Yeah that damn connor got michigan a whopping 62 passing yards this year... and somehow still bet ohio state
@@nathanv4320 bro it was less than a month ago and they act like they forgot
Michigan definitely cares a ton about beating OSU, but they don’t care as much as the Bucknuts, who care to a delusionally toxic level. It’s simultaneously pathetic yet incredibly entertaining when something goes wrong and they lose their minds.