Just got yourself a sub bro. Rarely see “pundits” taking accountability. As for KH… it wasn’t the comments about the “fringe lunatic” fanbase that rubbed everyone wrong. It was the incessant mentioning of Day’s job being in jeopardy. He tried to cloak it this time by acting like he opposes what Stephen A said, when in reality, he’s been hating on Day and this coaching staff since his kid signed with Michigan and no one (coaches) at OSU congratulated him. Herbie is salty AF right now and it’s seeping through his pours to where even Fowler was taken aback.
Kirk loses some credit on that though as he played for probably the OSU coach that Day is compared to. I.e I'm sure the same was said about John Cooper haters and they were proved right in the end. End of the day the fanbase is right to be mad and dragging Day. For comparison Cooper had a 5 year stretch where he was putting out teams as good as Days but could not win the games that mattered. The coach that followed him magnified that as well as the coach that followed Cooper is Jim Tressel so they went from they may win 10 or 11 games a year and win a rare bowl game to oh look we went undefeated and won a natty. I'm not saying Day deserves to be fired but he does deserve some heat. The beat down of UT actually proves that with how bad the Michigan loss was.
The Fairweather fans is a very small but loud part of OSU. The Rivalry game and Nebraska game where the outliers. This is what OSU has been all yr. Also Kirk bashed Indiana and SMU so where is the Tennessee hate? Not a single thing said about them or that lame ass schedule they played. 3 teams with 7 or more wins. The rest under .500!!! Cmon main.
There are no fair weather fans. Our fans love our team all the time. We rarely, if ever bash the players. The coaches know the standard before they take the job. Michigan, conference, and national. We didn't spring this on him. That being said, Day has enjoyed great support from the fans. We do not take coaching hires and firings lightly. Heck, John Cooper lasted 13 years. Don't give credence to Kirk. He turned on us when his son was at Clemson. He's the wrong person to address this. Go Bucks!
His former radio station he spent a decade or so at in Columbus spent all Monday afternoon telling stories about what a garbage human being Kirk was while he worked there
As a Buckeye fan, Kirk ain’t wrong. We have that part of our fan base. And like you said, so do others. Having that portion of your fan base is a good and bad. Good, they’re passionate and hungry. Bad, they’re sometimes the ones that bring a bad name. But, having that portion proves you have a top tier program and demand a standard of winning or improvement.
Firing Day is crazy. Herbstreit is a clown tho. Firing Day is crazy because their is noone else to replace him with. Herbstreit is a clown because he wants names in the playoffs and not records or earning it.
He talks about his love for college football. Yet wants to destroy it by adding all these SEC teams. As a Big Ten fan. I want to see ACC teams and Big 12 teams and SEC teams. And of course Big Ten teams. They start stuffing SEC teams in there just to please ESPN and their ratings. I guarantee you a ton of fans will quit watching.
Friendly reminder: Kirk made his rant about the insane Ohio State fan base, while they were playing a team whose fans literally canceled Greg Schiano from being hired
This is really simple. The top of the SEC is not all the strong. Once people like you see this, everything will make sense. Penn State would win the SEC this year and they are the third best team in the B10. Why would I say this? Did you see Louisville nuke UK. Did you see Miami nuke Florida. Did you see Georgia Tech outperform UGa for three quarters of a game and just blow it. Did you see South Carolina barely beat Clemson. The SEC really isn't all that much better than the ACC this year. Once you come to that conclusion. OSU spanking UT, and PSU spanking SMU wasn't all that hard to see. The SEC could have sent Bama, South Carolina or Ole Miss to happy valley and they would have been leaving with a double digit loss, and if the QBs of those school threw two pick sixes. PSU would have been spanking those SEC teams by 20 to 30. I'll concede that UGa and Texas are better than SMU, but nobody else in the SEC is. SMU is better than Clemson, which makes them better than everyone the SEC has except those top two, just based on the fact that Clemson played South Carolina even and played what was the only close first round game at Texas. Did you notice Clemson was the 12 seed, and got out gained by SMU by about 130 yards in the ACC final. SMU played horribly to start the Clemson game and came back and almost won. They did the same with PSU and got rolled. Those three B10 schools are playing big boy football.
Location, Weather and Game Time all matter in the NFL, not sure why folks thought it wouldn’t in college football. For two decades the SEC essentially got to play for championships and big bowl games with a location and weather advantage over the B1G. The CFP has changed that and some of those games will be played up north. Welcome to the new college football, SEC better learn to play in the cold or get home field advantage.
I felt this OSU coaching staff was in the way of the offense. The way they played vs the Vols is how we visualized this team could be with the amount of talent. Far as Kirk, he say he try to be professional, fair and unbiased. But he let his own personal emotions get the best of his in those comments. Fans have the right to be upset with Ryan Day. He 1-7 in big games which 4 of them he were favored and now he lost to unranked 21 point underdog Michigan. We all took up and had his back many of times. So if this team was holding back for the playoffs, then I apologize as well.
Guess what…that “lunatic fringe” subsection of fans was 100% correct. The coaching staff who designed the game plan for Michigan got it wrong. Day failed to abandon that game plan when it was obviously not producing results.
The only thing that led to this OSU team losing to that Michigan team was horrendous game planning on the Day's part (and their kicker missing two easy FG's). If you turn that offense loose with their passing game - it's a wrap. They roll straight to a national title
Penn State held OSU to 20 points. And he thought SMU would go into happy Valley, on a 15 degree day and get into a shoot out 😂 PSU is up there with the elite teams. Sure might not have the passing attack. But they have two great backs and a elite D
In fairness, yes Penn State only lost to OSU by one score, but it was a "Penn State can't do a thing to us so we're just going to sit on the ball to not turn it over" type of win. Once OSU got the lead it was over
I am an Ohio State fan and I doubt the team in big games simply because Day always loses big games. They always have elite talent but have 2 NCs since 2002. They have been in position to win several more but usually lose the big games
It's understandable for anyone who didn't watch a bunch of Buckeye games this year to look at the UM game and conclude that OSU had some glaring weaknesses. Inexplicably, they were mainly the result of Ryan Day's decision to prove how tough OSU is, and refusing to spread the field and get the ball to playmakers in space. This would have been forgivable if he had kept to that plan for the first half, then reassessed in the locker room and come out with a more normal game plan in the 2nd half. But for reasons I can't begin to understand, he kept at it, betting the outcome of the game on the ability of his offensive line, which was without its two best, award-winning players, to dominate a physical Wolverine DLine. The result accurately showed what the Buckeyes would look like if they tried that same game plan against another team with a big, physical DLine, but it showed very little about what they would look like if they were getting the ball out of Will Howard's hands within 2 seconds to edge players on screens and in-routes and crossing patterns, which had been their normal approach against good defenses all year. I think it's true that with their 2 best players out, the OL is still a potential weakness against a strong DL, with any game plan; and I very much fear that needing to win 4 consecutive games in the post season is going to result in another OL getting injured, which will simply doom them if they do make it to the finals, if not before. But that problem was made to seem much, much worse than it otherwise would have by Day's decision to stubbornly stick to "man ball" all the way through the UM game, long after the point it was clear that it wasn't working.
OSU/UM game has always been inexplicable. Future opponents of either should scout that tape at their own risk. Nothing reusable can be gleaned from it.
Respect you admitting when you were wrong. I’ll say the rivalry game is not something to base on how OSU will play because for some reason Ryan has a case of the yips when it comes to Michigan. Also, Herbstreit can eat a bag. No Buckeyes like him.
has an Ohio State fan after that coaching performance against Michigan I don't blame you for your doubts. that's the frustration that fans have with Ryan day for example Georgia loses because Beck throws three interceptions whatever but the energy of the team is always there. in the Ryan Day ear there's been a times where they came out like the Tennessee game and then you'll see them show up like they did against Michigan 3 weeks ago very flat no engery
We hated Kirk long before this. How about 2 years ago when he said two loss Alabama should be in the playoffs instead of one loss Ohio State. The dude never misses an opportunity to take a shot at Ohio State. He hates us. He literally sent his son to Michigan this year. Don't tell us to chill on Kirk. We can't stand him and that will not change.
I love all these people being mad at the committee for bad picks yet they all believed in the betting lines for every game. Why did they speak up then?
You guys look at us like a fan I grew up here in Columbus Ohio 35 years old been watching Ohio State ever since I was 6-7 years old. I don't give a damn what Kirk talking about I want to see my team win the big games F**k everything else🤷😢
And that's why they put the Ducks and Bucks to play in the qaurters. If this would have been Bama and the Dogs. They would have put them in the top and bottom bracket.
Typical Obnoxious SEC “expert” that thinks their conference is above everyone else. Bashing on Ohio State over a “rivalry” game where all bets and rankings don’t matter. Happens to the SEC teams too. Don’t forget Ohio State had the lead against Oregon multiple times and lost by 1 point and 1 second as they drove straight down the field setting up for a field goal. People seem to forget that.
I've always liked Kirk, but I think he's playing into the MSM "keep the listeners angry and riled up." Even if he doesn't realize it. I've always thought that maybe he deserves to sound off a bit because of the way he was treated in Columbus during "Tatoo-gate." But now... it seems like he purposely likes to disparage OSU and the fans.
Yeah but I don’t we’re lunatic for wanting our coach to win big games with a 20 million dollar roster and going 1-4 against Michigan is unacceptable man it just is Tuis isn’t Auburn or Tennessee we’re winning 10 games is a good season when you literally lose to every other team that has equal talent..Make it make sense if anything this game only makes it worse because why did we not throw the ball the entire second half of the Michigan game?
Look if you coach at ohio state or a player you no what we expect you beat Michigan or you need to go we dont need a another cooper we need to stop hiring coaches that aint from ohio cooper or this NASCAR driver/day aint from ohio you dont beat Michigan you dont have a job simple and if the fans really push for him to be fired he will be fired its sad but the fans run ohio state always have and always will they will give the fans what they want that simple beleive it if u want but thats reality in columbus get over it people people from ohio dont get it so stop hiring coaches from outside the state problem solved
Thanks for taking the L. I wish ESPN would follow your lead.
ESPN is SEC they probably have backroom hand shake deal
The Penn State defense is elite. Abdul Carter is a beast.
Just got yourself a sub bro. Rarely see “pundits” taking accountability.
As for KH… it wasn’t the comments about the “fringe lunatic” fanbase that rubbed everyone wrong. It was the incessant mentioning of Day’s job being in jeopardy. He tried to cloak it this time by acting like he opposes what Stephen A said, when in reality, he’s been hating on Day and this coaching staff since his kid signed with Michigan and no one (coaches) at OSU congratulated him. Herbie is salty AF right now and it’s seeping through his pours to where even Fowler was taken aback.
Non-lunatic, massive OSU fan, and I couldn't agree with Herbie more. It needed to be said.
Kirk loses some credit on that though as he played for probably the OSU coach that Day is compared to. I.e I'm sure the same was said about John Cooper haters and they were proved right in the end. End of the day the fanbase is right to be mad and dragging Day. For comparison Cooper had a 5 year stretch where he was putting out teams as good as Days but could not win the games that mattered. The coach that followed him magnified that as well as the coach that followed Cooper is Jim Tressel so they went from they may win 10 or 11 games a year and win a rare bowl game to oh look we went undefeated and won a natty. I'm not saying Day deserves to be fired but he does deserve some heat. The beat down of UT actually proves that with how bad the Michigan loss was.
The Fairweather fans is a very small but loud part of OSU. The Rivalry game and Nebraska game where the outliers. This is what OSU has been all yr. Also Kirk bashed Indiana and SMU so where is the Tennessee hate? Not a single thing said about them or that lame ass schedule they played. 3 teams with 7 or more wins. The rest under .500!!! Cmon main.
There are no fair weather fans. Our fans love our team all the time. We rarely, if ever bash the players. The coaches know the standard before they take the job. Michigan, conference, and national. We didn't spring this on him. That being said, Day has enjoyed great support from the fans. We do not take coaching hires and firings lightly. Heck, John Cooper lasted 13 years. Don't give credence to Kirk. He turned on us when his son was at Clemson. He's the wrong person to address this. Go Bucks!
@@Al-RudigorYou're wrong.
Friendly reminder: Tennessee fans canceled Greg Schiano getting hired by whining
@@alanm03not going to say why they are wrong?
OSU's game plan improved more than their O-Line, I think.
GOD Bless ya Brother! GO BUCKS!
Herbstreet is such an elitist and panning for the man now. SEC writes his checks I mean ESPN
His former radio station he spent a decade or so at in Columbus spent all Monday afternoon telling stories about what a garbage human being Kirk was while he worked there
The Ohio State fans have disowned Kirk a long time ago he’s just a puppet for ESPN and the SEC he’s a Skip Balis wannabe
You damn right I'm 35 born and raised here in Columbus Ohio. Don't give a damn what that man is talking about
As a Buckeye fan, Kirk ain’t wrong. We have that part of our fan base. And like you said, so do others. Having that portion of your fan base is a good and bad. Good, they’re passionate and hungry. Bad, they’re sometimes the ones that bring a bad name. But, having that portion proves you have a top tier program and demand a standard of winning or improvement.
We have that part of the fanbase. Friendly reminder: Tennessee fans cried and screamed and stopped Greg Schiano from getting a job
Firing Day is crazy. Herbstreit is a clown tho. Firing Day is crazy because their is noone else to replace him with. Herbstreit is a clown because he wants names in the playoffs and not records or earning it.
He talks about his love for college football. Yet wants to destroy it by adding all these SEC teams. As a Big Ten fan. I want to see ACC teams and Big 12 teams and SEC teams. And of course Big Ten teams.
They start stuffing SEC teams in there just to please ESPN and their ratings. I guarantee you a ton of fans will quit watching.
Friendly reminder: Kirk made his rant about the insane Ohio State fan base, while they were playing a team whose fans literally canceled Greg Schiano from being hired
This is really simple. The top of the SEC is not all the strong. Once people like you see this, everything will make sense. Penn State would win the SEC this year and they are the third best team in the B10. Why would I say this? Did you see Louisville nuke UK. Did you see Miami nuke Florida. Did you see Georgia Tech outperform UGa for three quarters of a game and just blow it. Did you see South Carolina barely beat Clemson. The SEC really isn't all that much better than the ACC this year. Once you come to that conclusion. OSU spanking UT, and PSU spanking SMU wasn't all that hard to see.
The SEC could have sent Bama, South Carolina or Ole Miss to happy valley and they would have been leaving with a double digit loss, and if the QBs of those school threw two pick sixes. PSU would have been spanking those SEC teams by 20 to 30.
I'll concede that UGa and Texas are better than SMU, but nobody else in the SEC is. SMU is better than Clemson, which makes them better than everyone the SEC has except those top two, just based on the fact that Clemson played South Carolina even and played what was the only close first round game at Texas. Did you notice Clemson was the 12 seed, and got out gained by SMU by about 130 yards in the ACC final.
SMU played horribly to start the Clemson game and came back and almost won. They did the same with PSU and got rolled. Those three B10 schools are playing big boy football.
Ohio State is earning their respect. One game at a time. We are better than what the nation believes. We are coming for the natty! Go Bucks.😎
Location, Weather and Game Time all matter in the NFL, not sure why folks thought it wouldn’t in college football. For two decades the SEC essentially got to play for championships and big bowl games with a location and weather advantage over the B1G. The CFP has changed that and some of those games will be played up north. Welcome to the new college football, SEC better learn to play in the cold or get home field advantage.
I've always liked Herby, but attacking fans is over-the-top. Very unprofessional.
He's been disliked by the fan base for decades, and for good reasons.
@@mattstrathis4328 Maybe you. Troll...
I felt this OSU coaching staff was in the way of the offense. The way they played vs the Vols is how we visualized this team could be with the amount of talent. Far as Kirk, he say he try to be professional, fair and unbiased. But he let his own personal emotions get the best of his in those comments. Fans have the right to be upset with Ryan Day. He 1-7 in big games which 4 of them he were favored and now he lost to unranked 21 point underdog Michigan. We all took up and had his back many of times. So if this team was holding back for the playoffs, then I apologize as well.
Shout out oregon...as a buckeye my whole life welcome fam... excited 4 the Ducks, trojans, huskies to represent the big 10...
Guess what…that “lunatic fringe” subsection of fans was 100% correct. The coaching staff who designed the game plan for Michigan got it wrong. Day failed to abandon that game plan when it was obviously not producing results.
Kudos for being a stand up host
The only thing that led to this OSU team losing to that Michigan team was horrendous game planning on the Day's part (and their kicker missing two easy FG's). If you turn that offense loose with their passing game - it's a wrap. They roll straight to a national title
Thank you for pointing out that ESPN is basically TMZ.
Dude..PSU lost to Oregon and OSU by ONE score. There you go again sleeping on a B1G team. Like OSU-Michigan, PSU made the same adjustments.
As a Buckeye fan. That's fair honestly.
Penn State held OSU to 20 points. And he thought SMU would go into happy Valley, on a 15 degree day and get into a shoot out 😂
PSU is up there with the elite teams. Sure might not have the passing attack. But they have two great backs and a elite D
In fairness, yes Penn State only lost to OSU by one score, but it was a "Penn State can't do a thing to us so we're just going to sit on the ball to not turn it over" type of win. Once OSU got the lead it was over
We are all dumb at times... that makes us fans
I am an Ohio State fan and I doubt the team in big games simply because Day always loses big games. They always have elite talent but have 2 NCs since 2002. They have been in position to win several more but usually lose the big games
It's understandable for anyone who didn't watch a bunch of Buckeye games this year to look at the UM game and conclude that OSU had some glaring weaknesses. Inexplicably, they were mainly the result of Ryan Day's decision to prove how tough OSU is, and refusing to spread the field and get the ball to playmakers in space. This would have been forgivable if he had kept to that plan for the first half, then reassessed in the locker room and come out with a more normal game plan in the 2nd half. But for reasons I can't begin to understand, he kept at it, betting the outcome of the game on the ability of his offensive line, which was without its two best, award-winning players, to dominate a physical Wolverine DLine. The result accurately showed what the Buckeyes would look like if they tried that same game plan against another team with a big, physical DLine, but it showed very little about what they would look like if they were getting the ball out of Will Howard's hands within 2 seconds to edge players on screens and in-routes and crossing patterns, which had been their normal approach against good defenses all year.
I think it's true that with their 2 best players out, the OL is still a potential weakness against a strong DL, with any game plan; and I very much fear that needing to win 4 consecutive games in the post season is going to result in another OL getting injured, which will simply doom them if they do make it to the finals, if not before. But that problem was made to seem much, much worse than it otherwise would have by Day's decision to stubbornly stick to "man ball" all the way through the UM game, long after the point it was clear that it wasn't working.
I’m an OSU fan and actually really agree with Kirk.
All right, as long as you're willing to admit that. - Chubbs Peterson😂
OSU/UM game has always been inexplicable. Future opponents of either should scout that tape at their own risk. Nothing reusable can be gleaned from it.
9:06 A lot of our fan base been sick of Kirk they ran him out of town…
Respect you admitting when you were wrong. I’ll say the rivalry game is not something to base on how OSU will play because for some reason Ryan has a case of the yips when it comes to Michigan.
Also, Herbstreit can eat a bag. No Buckeyes like him.
Diehard PSU fan here. Oregon and OSU, yes, but it’s a mistake to leave Texas off that list.
Future opponents (and prognosticators) should scout the OSU/UM game, for either team, at their own risk. It's weird and always has been.
has an Ohio State fan after that coaching performance against Michigan I don't blame you for your doubts. that's the frustration that fans have with Ryan day for example Georgia loses because Beck throws three interceptions whatever but the energy of the team is always there. in the Ryan Day ear there's been a times where they came out like the Tennessee game and then you'll see them show up like they did against Michigan 3 weeks ago very flat no engery
We hated Kirk long before this. How about 2 years ago when he said two loss Alabama should be in the playoffs instead of one loss Ohio State. The dude never misses an opportunity to take a shot at Ohio State. He hates us. He literally sent his son to Michigan this year. Don't tell us to chill on Kirk. We can't stand him and that will not change.
I love all these people being mad at the committee for bad picks yet they all believed in the betting lines for every game. Why did they speak up then?
You guys look at us like a fan I grew up here in Columbus Ohio 35 years old been watching Ohio State ever since I was 6-7 years old. I don't give a damn what Kirk talking about I want to see my team win the big games F**k everything else🤷😢
Where did you play college football? if you did not play you can not comment, me letter PSU 1969-71
The Kansas City Chiefs would be 6-6 in the SEC!
I hate the chiefs but get real man
And that's why they put the Ducks and Bucks to play in the qaurters. If this would have been Bama and the Dogs. They would have put them in the top and bottom bracket.
Typical Obnoxious SEC “expert” that thinks their conference is above everyone else. Bashing on Ohio State over a “rivalry” game where all bets and rankings don’t matter. Happens to the SEC teams too. Don’t forget Ohio State had the lead against Oregon multiple times and lost by 1 point and 1 second as they drove straight down the field setting up for a field goal. People seem to forget that.
I've always liked Kirk, but I think he's playing into the MSM "keep the listeners angry and riled up." Even if he doesn't realize it.
I've always thought that maybe he deserves to sound off a bit because of the way he was treated in Columbus during "Tatoo-gate." But now... it seems like he purposely likes to disparage OSU and the fans.
Was the Ohio State O-Line that humming or was the vaunted SEC front 7 just that mediocre. TUN’s DLine was way better at 6-6.
Yeah but I don’t we’re lunatic for wanting our coach to win big games with a 20 million dollar roster and going 1-4 against Michigan is unacceptable man it just is Tuis isn’t Auburn or Tennessee we’re winning 10 games is a good season when you literally lose to every other team that has equal talent..Make it make sense if anything this game only makes it worse because why did we not throw the ball the entire second half of the Michigan game?
Look if you coach at ohio state or a player you no what we expect you beat Michigan or you need to go we dont need a another cooper we need to stop hiring coaches that aint from ohio cooper or this NASCAR driver/day aint from ohio you dont beat Michigan you dont have a job simple and if the fans really push for him to be fired he will be fired its sad but the fans run ohio state always have and always will they will give the fans what they want that simple beleive it if u want but thats reality in columbus get over it people people from ohio dont get it so stop hiring coaches from outside the state problem solved
Mich probably cheated... just going from past behavior