I suppose my main issue is the “quirky” side of mental illness gets the spotlight, not the hardships, the screaming and crying. It’s the wrong way to get the message out. I don’t blame the youth by any means, but it does hurt to feel my autism and PSTD trivialized after all the things people like me go through. Great video, very informative.
The bit about the terms “anxiety” “ADHD” “depression” being watered down into stress, short attention spans, and sadness is really fascinating to me. For the past year I’ve strongly suspected that I am autistic, and I’ve gotten the privilege to talk to a bunch of (formally diagnosed) autistic people and it really opened my eyes about something. When people think “autism” they don’t think of a watered down version of it, generally they think of an amped up version of it: children with special needs who wear headphones, rock in their seats, flap their hands, and scream in public. And while these kids do deserve attention, I can’t help but feel that it’s made it harder for the people on the spectrum who conform to society’s standards a bit more to seek the help they need. I’m really hesitant to talk to anyone, even my own family, about my struggles, because I’m afraid they’ll tell me that I’m ridiculous and that I’m nothing like other autistic people. I’ve seen Tik Tok videos of people saying they’re autistic and acting positively silly on camera for views and likes and whatever, and I feel like that has a more harmful effect than people “acting” depressed, anxious, etc on camera, because rather than normalizes it, it stigmatizes it further, makes it seem even more “other”. At least that’s my view. Sorry about the long ass comment lmao. This video is on a topic that really speaks to me.
I definitely agree, autism is seen far less positively by the public than any of the other diagnoses mentioned. That's probably partly due to removing diagnoses like Asperger's, which many (especially the older generations) were familiar with and understood it wasn't very noticeable. I hope you find a professional you can open up to!
after seeing both your king of the hill videos, it's quite clear you have some high level thinking that's not often seen, or heard on TH-cam, I would love to see you get a larger platform somehow, stuff like this has only 4,000 views as of posting this and that's criminal, there's a a reason though shit like this can't seem to break through the wall of 1's and 0's that is the algorithm. Kudos and keep making your voice heard and eventually people will listen. your explanations blow more popular content out of the water just so you know.
Interesting. I’ve never heard anyone take a historical perspective on this. Your conclusion about not blaming teenagers today for something that us been happening for centuries is well thought out
Yes, and though teens are generally more impressionable, I'd say it's true about adults and teenagers alike. We might blame others for their views, due to our flaw of assuming that a person has original authorship and ownership over all of their views. But it doesn't make sense to entirely blame people for their beliefs -- because that's kind of giving them too much credit. To some degree (and some of us more than others), we are all unknowing vessels for history's patterns, and unconscious about the fact. For those of us who don't know much about our placement in history, then we are unfamiliar with history's patterns, and so we make less sense of our present day. So how much do you blame a person like that? Well, not sure. Not 0%, not 100%.
My problem with promoting and normalizing mental illnesses is the fact, that sometimes it even hurts those who are sick. The most popular perception of those illnesses mostly focuses on some chosen aspects and not the full picture. Because of this watered down perception, people who are not sick or experience mild symptoms tend to exaggerate expected symptoms in order to be fitting into the group. This works as a perpetum mobile of further rooting the distorted perception. Because of that, people who live with those illnesses can even feel excluded from their own illness because it's different to the version seen by the public.
Yeah, I actually found this to be lumped in with the "it can present differently" argument, which often leans into the most stereotypical forms. Not helpful, only harms those who don't present classically.
As someone who has suffered from mental illness after a traumatic life event, I absolutely despise people making an aesthetic out of this. I really appreciate how this video essentially highlights the commercialization of mental illness. You've earned a subscriber.
I like to talk about ADHD a lot with people around me as I have it; officially diagnosed by a licensed professional. I like to talk about it because it's been stigmatized into this "lol so quirky" stereotype. This mixed with an over-diagnosis problem (namely having average clinics be able to make them) has over DECADES made so many people claim that it doesn't exist in the first place. Doesn't help that there are some that use it as a means to get their way. Conversely, & I say this coming from the subreddit, it's created this harsh defeatism in having it where everybody ONLY ever talks about their struggles with it; this does feel somewhat mirrored through other platforms. It's also become _kind of_ trendy, but not the same way depression & anxiety have... it's hard to explain. Personally, I feel both of these are very toxic (god, I hate that word now) because they feed into each other creating a self-fulfilling, & very self-destructive prophecy. The struggles of ADHD need to be discussed more, but when it's the only thing discussed, it becomes... exhausting & filled with self-hatred; if I'm honest, there's aspects of ADHD to love, albeit if serendipitously. Diagnosis is important, but not to where a misdiagnosis is so easy to happen. Discussion & education is the most important thing. That's why my username is what it is; if you understand ADHD, you know that it's not that far off. It's not a perfect solution, obviously, because people have made the assumption that I'm the type who makes it my entire personality. However, I use as a way of "wearing like a badge", so to speak. It opens up the conversation. An important one. Anyway, thanks for doing this video.
It's interesting to hear your perspective on ADHD. Sounds like there's so much nuance within each individual diagnosis. One blanket approach for "mental illness" wouldn't fit, each would need to be approached in their own way.
So I’m someone who has been diagnosed with ADHD and bipolar II, and I definitely understand why people are mad about the misinformation because people don’t really understand the severity of living with certain mental health issues and how to adequately treat and create a maintenance plan. On the other hand the state of health coverage in the US and elsewhere are not be the best, especially in terms of mental health coverage, so self diagnosis is sometimes the only option people have to try to begin finding coping strategies. I wasn’t diagnosed with ADHD until I was a young adult because women tend to have ‘atypical’ presentations of symptoms even though they _are_ typical for women and young girls. If I had the internet and was able to find this info when I was younger I may not have spent so long thinking I just had to try harder than everyone around me because I thought I was just not as capable. I was also misdiagnosed for years with ‘atypical’ major depression until I was finally correctly diagnosed with bipolar II. Since you self report the symptoms that cause the most distress bipolar II is often hard to diagnose since it only has hypomania, which isn’t as outwardly obvious as mania. Even though SSRIs kickstart mania in me I still wasn’t correctly diagnosed because I had no conception of what mania or hypomania were. At the same time romanticism of mental illness is just as harmful, in my opinion, as the stigma. The end result is people not seeking help. Enough people don’t seek help due to stigma or because they play music, paint, or are otherwise creative and fear that their mental illness is what gives them the ability to create. I think the romanticization on places like tik tok furthers this idea of the ‘troubled artist’ and it’s just kind of a shame to be honest. But there are great people advocating for themselves and spreading good info as well so it’s a difficult subject.
Thanks for sharing, it really is a situation with pros and cons that don't lead to any specific 'right' answer. I'm glad you hung in there for a proper diagnosis. Always interesting comments from you Linsey!
@@talkinbout8159 thanks for making videos about topics like this. You always do a good job covering them while keeping them engaging. I also appreciate the wide variety of topics you cover on the channel.
This is one of those weird channels where it's good enough to justify being mainstream, but also small enough where people think you're being a contrarian for watching it for some reason.
there are two types of mental illnesses....Common mental disorders(CMD)- depression, anxiety ; Serious mental illnesses(SMI)- Schiz, Bipolar. Stigma of mental illness doesn't just affect the individual concerned , it affects the whole immediate family. I would have appreciated this analysis covering the family aspects too of this trend, if any
I have been watching and reading everything I can find about this topic and this video has been by far the most interesting; nowhere else did I see the historical precedent explored -- fascinating that thinspo was literally inspired by the "sickly Victorian child" image and that the "artsy sad girl" stereotype dates back to Ancient times.
feel the same happened to the trans community. it used to be a subgroup of people suffering from gender dysphoria. then it became hip because of the clout it got people so more people needed to be in. So the meaning of words got diluted, the diagnosis frowned upon, as is the desire to actually medically transition. All that just so people like Sam Smith can claim that wonderfull trans badge and have them pronouns. Meanwhile there's people like me for which being trans is not a joke nor fashion, dealing with years of self hatred and anxiety inducing waiting lists just so we can perhaps possibly get the care we need that still might end us up in a world that won't accept the best version of ourselves we've managed to create on our own. To me the whole ordeal is a sick joke and i hope the fad dies. Perhaps the fad dying could reverse those sinking trans acceptance numbers too.
@@talkinbout8159 i think if the people behind something appear genuine and serious, one is far more likely to take that party seriously. but if one of your role models is a man in a femme clown outfit, well... yeah...
A false face can lead a false impression on yourself. I love (I'm many ways) the way you frame your videos. And as I keep an open mind listen to you as you put certain thoughts in my head you always leave me to a really interesting conclusion. For my thoughts on the matter I don't know if I can put it in text. But I hope your day is going great as your your hobby tends to keep impressing me. Was both my eyes and great interest of what you weavering Have a blessed day man 👌
great vid, have seen this come by in serious capacity irl also holy shit i somehow got this vid in my recommended despite it only havin a thousand views hope the algorithm smiles upon you more
Tbh I don't like telling people I'm depressed since I've never actually been diagnosed. For all i know i could have just been sad. In the end i do feel there are some that deal with depression but at the same time i feel as though people say they are just for sympathy or because depression sounds more :0 omg he's depressed. While saying you're sad doesn't have that same hm effect(?)
Being diagnosed isn't as important as seeking help, whether that's from professionals or peers. I think that's the key difference, what are your motives? To garner sympathy or to shout into the void in hopes of finding help?
the background has so much great meme material. feels like you made a class presentation but halfway thru the teacher said it wasn't worth any points so you kept the script but turned the video into a huge shitpost
it's weird seeing the lists of diagnoses in a lot of these bios. i would have given anything to just be a normal basic-ass teenager instead of constantly in residential treatment. i wasn't deep or quirky. i was drugged and had to ask to use the bathroom i've lost so many friends to the illnesses they're trying on like costumes. kids i grew up with. friends abandoned on the street, sent to long term care wards because their family gave up on them, lost to drugs and by their own hands. i'm worried about the ones who really do have severe mental illnesses and post a list of their diagnoses next to a photo of their face. it's hard enough to make it in the world, with an invisible illness that you somehow can't hide. there's a reason so many of us live in poverty.
When you put it in perspective like this, I can understand a little better why people are pushing obesity to be seen as "beautiful". Only difference is that obesity is reversible and controllable unlike Tuberculosis. A sign of the times, I suppose.
i think this all culminates in that song which the minecraft youtuber dream put out a week or two ago, called mask, basically saying that hes depressed. im not saying its impossible for someone like him to have depression, but its the fact that he so many personal friends he can talk to, who he records with regularly and he makes a song saying he has to lie about how he's feeling? to millions of subscribers who some of them might be dealing with similar thoughts? it feels very disingenuous to me, but, like you said, its marketable.
Interesting. Yeah there's no reason to shout it to the world. Support won't come from anonymous internet strangers but from those close to you in real life.
I get this video isn’t the most pro tiktok but I saw a video on tiktok that really sums up mental health: mental health has been commercialised not destigmatised. It really bugs me when people say they are pro mental health but the only image they have of it are the people on the internet who have the ‘cute’ disorders or illnesses and then shit on those who don’t fit the image but may be struggling immensely.
Omg another amazing video! I was just thinking about looking into this the other day too! I’ve noticed more feminine men (I hope that doesn’t come off bad, I apologize if it does! Not sure what a better word would be) partaking in this stuff as well. Do you think there’s a different reason behind it?
As someone who did go through some serious anxiety and depression problems (actually diagnosed lol), I felt like I could barely share what was going on with my own family, let alone the whole internet, so when I see people like this, it feels so fake and attention-seeking, trying to stand out. I chose to study psychology because of the excellent work my own psychologist did so I know a little about it, sure mental illness isn't something to be ashamed of, but it's definitely not something to glorify either and no matter how much these people try and say they're "spreading awareness", they just want to feel validated.
@@talkinbout8159 Totally agree, and tbh I shouldn't just blanket everyone who posts about their mental illness as doing it for attention, but there certainly are those thatdo
It would be interesting to hear your take on the current trend of romanticization of mental illness that’s primarily focused on men. It’s cool to be “schizo” now and a lot of dudes want to emulate Travis Bickle or the joker.
I'm not sure how popular it is. In my personal experience it seems that those who identify as the Joker are mocked pretty ruthlessly. "I'm da Jokah baby!"
@@talkinbout8159 Dont understand how your king if the hill video went viral, and you make good quality content and for some reason it's not blowing up. Gonna subscribe though and I shared your video with others.
Visibility is important, but I just can't help feeling TikTok cheapens almost every form of expression. It's not necessarily the format, though I feel that "wrap it up in 30 seconds or less" mentality is doing something to our collective psyche that's... maybe not bad per se, but not wholesome either. It's more the community, what they value and how they express gratitude. They're well-meaning, absolutely. But that also means that they can easily be preyed upon. It creates an environment rife with misguided and outright manipulative actors using pain and sorrow purely to extract value from their audience. Case in point the countless cynical "if this showed up in your feed, you need to hear it" videos which feature a bored-looking teenager dryly reciting cliches and affirmations to try and seem more empathetic and thus gain attention. It's barefaced value extraction, and it literally permeates the app. Visibility is paramount to raising awareness. And TikTok is paramount to clout-chasing teens and twentysomethings who feel they're owed attention just for existing. I'm not sure the two intermingling is good, but I also don't want to make anyone feel bad for liking something that's, at it's very worst, mostly harmless. I'm just fearful of the trajectory such ubiquitous commercialism of things that should - in the name of decency - transcend our base instinct to make everything a monetary windfall. Anyway. Ramble over. Did I mention lately I love your content, sir? So glad I found this channel. Looking forward to the next one.
That was very well said! It's hard to express these concerns without having them reduced to the cliché "kids these days" complaint. I agree, it's the trajectory that's worrying. Social media is becoming faster, less genuine, and increasingly favorable towards those who will do anything for attention. Only time will tell where it takes us.
I'm going to have to strongly disagree with your conclusion about whether or not we should be stopping this, and your comparison to emo is exactly why. Cutting and self harm were a horrible trend when we were going to school. People got very seriously hurt, and even died. Even non-suicidal cutting led to permanent marks and infections for many people. Cutting also led to nerve damage for some. If there was anything that could have been done to stop the romanticization of self-harm, we should have done it- but the sheer force of social contagion was overwhelming. Today, with the romanticization of mental illness, people are convincing themselves that they have a very serious mental condition, and in doing so, stepping far off the path that could lead to healthier emotional self-understanding and development. But the real people they're hurting, are the people who actually have those mental conditions, and are seeing the spaces they built flooded with misinformation and trendy pretenders undoing the years and decades of hard work they've done to take control for themselves over the narratives of their condition. Even worse, they are straining already scarce psych resources which are needed for people who actually have these conditions.
I think the lesson to be learned is that we cannot change this. We couldn't stop the emo phase so why should we think we can change this or future generations. At that age no one wants to listen to 'well meaning adults.' It's been apart of the human experience for centuries. To think that suddenly we'd be able to change humanity for the better I think is naïve, although well meaning. That said, I am pretty nihilistic so my view is skewed. Appreciate the discourse!
Im not a fan of seeing an outsider to a topic take a single angle for a discussion with two sides of one argument for a spectrum of content. A lot of opinions here are pandering to the "unstable artist" argument that you've presented. This is giving off a very negative impression of this content, which is used for expression of people's struggles with mental illness. You've perpetuated the antiquated "sad girl" stereotype for a mental illness discussion on a modern platform. Maybe we should be discussing why people develop mental illnesses, and the absolute garbage fire that is the mental health industry rather than why it's "trendy."
@@talkinbout8159 But you've presented this trend with a black and white choose a side discussion. You've glossed over the depth of this situation to compare it to historical trends. All for a debate over whether or not people are lying for attention or telling the truth. Which is extremely harmful to society's perception of mental illness. Even though you've presented this as a discussion I feel that your choose a side format is harmful to the discussion. It would be entirely different to analyze why people act "sickly" to seem "cool" but instead you've presented reasons to avoid validating people's mental illness.
@@talkinbout8159 I mean I really feel like this video missed the Mark, and you seem to have done some surface level research on it. I say this because your points seem biased even though you claim they are not, and also because most of not all of your “negative points” are greatly discussed in the same community you criticize. And you straw-manned the positive arguments a bit which I also find a little iffy. I don’t have anything against you as a content creator, I have no idea who you are, but I feel like this video could have been researched a lot better. Not to mention implications that pre-modern medical confusion and romanization is anywhere near post-modern advancements in diagnosis and understanding, the over generalization of an entire category, and anecdotal hyperbolized “sources” and “info”.
I suppose my main issue is the “quirky” side of mental illness gets the spotlight, not the hardships, the screaming and crying. It’s the wrong way to get the message out. I don’t blame the youth by any means, but it does hurt to feel my autism and PSTD trivialized after all the things people like me go through. Great video, very informative.
I empathize with those like you the most, there's nothing quirky about it.
If you’re “aware” of “your mental illness”, you don’t have it.
@@Patrick3183 is this satire?
The bit about the terms “anxiety” “ADHD” “depression” being watered down into stress, short attention spans, and sadness is really fascinating to me. For the past year I’ve strongly suspected that I am autistic, and I’ve gotten the privilege to talk to a bunch of (formally diagnosed) autistic people and it really opened my eyes about something.
When people think “autism” they don’t think of a watered down version of it, generally they think of an amped up version of it: children with special needs who wear headphones, rock in their seats, flap their hands, and scream in public. And while these kids do deserve attention, I can’t help but feel that it’s made it harder for the people on the spectrum who conform to society’s standards a bit more to seek the help they need. I’m really hesitant to talk to anyone, even my own family, about my struggles, because I’m afraid they’ll tell me that I’m ridiculous and that I’m nothing like other autistic people.
I’ve seen Tik Tok videos of people saying they’re autistic and acting positively silly on camera for views and likes and whatever, and I feel like that has a more harmful effect than people “acting” depressed, anxious, etc on camera, because rather than normalizes it, it stigmatizes it further, makes it seem even more “other”. At least that’s my view. Sorry about the long ass comment lmao. This video is on a topic that really speaks to me.
I definitely agree, autism is seen far less positively by the public than any of the other diagnoses mentioned. That's probably partly due to removing diagnoses like Asperger's, which many (especially the older generations) were familiar with and understood it wasn't very noticeable. I hope you find a professional you can open up to!
@@talkinbout8159 Thank you! Keep up the great work :)
How can someone acting how they really act be more harmful than people pretending to act like a stigmatized interpretation of that person?
Stuff like this makes me glad I’m not heavily involved with social media, especially tik tok
after seeing both your king of the hill videos, it's quite clear you have some high level thinking that's not often seen, or heard on TH-cam, I would love to see you get a larger platform somehow, stuff like this has only 4,000 views as of posting this and that's criminal, there's a a reason though shit like this can't seem to break through the wall of 1's and 0's that is the algorithm. Kudos and keep making your voice heard and eventually people will listen. your explanations blow more popular content out of the water just so you know.
Don't know why your comment got held for review but I just saw it. Really appreciate it, thank you!
Interesting. I’ve never heard anyone take a historical perspective on this. Your conclusion about not blaming teenagers today for something that us been happening for centuries is well thought out
I was a dumb little teenager, I know I'd laugh at my antics.
Yes, and though teens are generally more impressionable, I'd say it's true about adults and teenagers alike. We might blame others for their views, due to our flaw of assuming that a person has original authorship and ownership over all of their views. But it doesn't make sense to entirely blame people for their beliefs -- because that's kind of giving them too much credit. To some degree (and some of us more than others), we are all unknowing vessels for history's patterns, and unconscious about the fact. For those of us who don't know much about our placement in history, then we are unfamiliar with history's patterns, and so we make less sense of our present day. So how much do you blame a person like that? Well, not sure. Not 0%, not 100%.
Emplemon sent me here, Glad he did. Good vid man
Depression is a helluva drug. I've been trying to quit for decades.
My problem with promoting and normalizing mental illnesses is the fact, that sometimes it even hurts those who are sick.
The most popular perception of those illnesses mostly focuses on some chosen aspects and not the full picture. Because of this watered down perception, people who are not sick or experience mild symptoms tend to exaggerate expected symptoms in order to be fitting into the group. This works as a perpetum mobile of further rooting the distorted perception.
Because of that, people who live with those illnesses can even feel excluded from their own illness because it's different to the version seen by the public.
Yeah, I actually found this to be lumped in with the "it can present differently" argument, which often leans into the most stereotypical forms. Not helpful, only harms those who don't present classically.
I appreciate the Lemon for sending me here. Great content, man. You've earned yourself a sub
Thanks! EmpLemon has blessed me.
"we shouldn't be outraged, we should be understanding"
i think we all need to internalize that
That Tuberculosis stuff was really surprising, its crazy how humans never change
Only if you describe it in the vaguest of ways like in the video
This is the first video I've seen that analyzed this topic with some actual depth and understanding.
Very well done.
EMPlemon recommended you and holy shit your content is good, hope you can reach much further in the future
thanks!
As someone who has suffered from mental illness after a traumatic life event, I absolutely despise people making an aesthetic out of this. I really appreciate how this video essentially highlights the commercialization of mental illness. You've earned a subscriber.
It always evolves to profit making, thanks
Looking through the comments I really appreciate how often you reply and keep the discussion going. Great work man.
I gotta talk about it with someone, thanks!
I have to thank EmpLemon for recommending this wonderful channel
I like to talk about ADHD a lot with people around me as I have it; officially diagnosed by a licensed professional. I like to talk about it because it's been stigmatized into this "lol so quirky" stereotype. This mixed with an over-diagnosis problem (namely having average clinics be able to make them) has over DECADES made so many people claim that it doesn't exist in the first place. Doesn't help that there are some that use it as a means to get their way.
Conversely, & I say this coming from the subreddit, it's created this harsh defeatism in having it where everybody ONLY ever talks about their struggles with it; this does feel somewhat mirrored through other platforms. It's also become _kind of_ trendy, but not the same way depression & anxiety have... it's hard to explain.
Personally, I feel both of these are very toxic (god, I hate that word now) because they feed into each other creating a self-fulfilling, & very self-destructive prophecy. The struggles of ADHD need to be discussed more, but when it's the only thing discussed, it becomes... exhausting & filled with self-hatred; if I'm honest, there's aspects of ADHD to love, albeit if serendipitously. Diagnosis is important, but not to where a misdiagnosis is so easy to happen.
Discussion & education is the most important thing. That's why my username is what it is; if you understand ADHD, you know that it's not that far off. It's not a perfect solution, obviously, because people have made the assumption that I'm the type who makes it my entire personality. However, I use as a way of "wearing like a badge", so to speak. It opens up the conversation. An important one.
Anyway, thanks for doing this video.
It's interesting to hear your perspective on ADHD. Sounds like there's so much nuance within each individual diagnosis. One blanket approach for "mental illness" wouldn't fit, each would need to be approached in their own way.
So I’m someone who has been diagnosed with ADHD and bipolar II, and I definitely understand why people are mad about the misinformation because people don’t really understand the severity of living with certain mental health issues and how to adequately treat and create a maintenance plan. On the other hand the state of health coverage in the US and elsewhere are not be the best, especially in terms of mental health coverage, so self diagnosis is sometimes the only option people have to try to begin finding coping strategies.
I wasn’t diagnosed with ADHD until I was a young adult because women tend to have ‘atypical’ presentations of symptoms even though they _are_ typical for women and young girls. If I had the internet and was able to find this info when I was younger I may not have spent so long thinking I just had to try harder than everyone around me because I thought I was just not as capable. I was also misdiagnosed for years with ‘atypical’ major depression until I was finally correctly diagnosed with bipolar II. Since you self report the symptoms that cause the most distress bipolar II is often hard to diagnose since it only has hypomania, which isn’t as outwardly obvious as mania. Even though SSRIs kickstart mania in me I still wasn’t correctly diagnosed because I had no conception of what mania or hypomania were.
At the same time romanticism of mental illness is just as harmful, in my opinion, as the stigma. The end result is people not seeking help. Enough people don’t seek help due to stigma or because they play music, paint, or are otherwise creative and fear that their mental illness is what gives them the ability to create. I think the romanticization on places like tik tok furthers this idea of the ‘troubled artist’ and it’s just kind of a shame to be honest. But there are great people advocating for themselves and spreading good info as well so it’s a difficult subject.
Thanks for sharing, it really is a situation with pros and cons that don't lead to any specific 'right' answer. I'm glad you hung in there for a proper diagnosis. Always interesting comments from you Linsey!
@@talkinbout8159 thanks for making videos about topics like this. You always do a good job covering them while keeping them engaging. I also appreciate the wide variety of topics you cover on the channel.
@@linseyspolidoro5122 That makes me happy, it's an unusual move to have such variety.
This is one of those weird channels where it's good enough to justify being mainstream, but also small enough where people think you're being a contrarian for watching it for some reason.
Niche content!
Great video. Commenting to boost engagement metrics.
Come on metrics!
Me too!
First one of your videos I've seen, on a topic that really speaks to me. Such a well argued point, and great production quality. Instant subscribe!
Thank you!
Getting in the comments before this video blows up.
Great work my friend.
Thanks!
Things you didn't realize could be ADHD: ADHD diagnoses or getting a prescription for ADHD medication
Things you didn’t realize could be adhd: what was I gonna say?
Jesus Christ, I didn’t think so many people had been screwed up like this in the 1700s. Maybe times weren’t so simple back then, after all.
there are two types of mental illnesses....Common mental disorders(CMD)- depression, anxiety ; Serious mental illnesses(SMI)- Schiz, Bipolar. Stigma of mental illness doesn't just affect the individual concerned , it affects the whole immediate family. I would have appreciated this analysis covering the family aspects too of this trend, if any
It certainly does. It often involves a lifetime of support and sometimes heartache. That is unless your teen is doing it for likes...
Keep it up bro, was super stoked to see another video so soon. Looking forward to the next.
Thanks! Might be a bit of a wait, the book I'm reading is a real chonker.
Hey, I thought this was a great well thought out video! Can't wait to see what you put out next!
thanks!
I have been watching and reading everything I can find about this topic and this video has been by far the most interesting; nowhere else did I see the historical precedent explored -- fascinating that thinspo was literally inspired by the "sickly Victorian child" image and that the "artsy sad girl" stereotype dates back to Ancient times.
The thinspo origin really fascinated me too but it makes a lot of sense.
Such a nice young man.
As someone with ADHD... I don’t remember what point I was gonna make. Killer vid though!
Thanks!
feel the same happened to the trans community. it used to be a subgroup of people suffering from gender dysphoria. then it became hip because of the clout it got people so more people needed to be in. So the meaning of words got diluted, the diagnosis frowned upon, as is the desire to actually medically transition. All that just so people like Sam Smith can claim that wonderfull trans badge and have them pronouns. Meanwhile there's people like me for which being trans is not a joke nor fashion, dealing with years of self hatred and anxiety inducing waiting lists just so we can perhaps possibly get the care we need that still might end us up in a world that won't accept the best version of ourselves we've managed to create on our own. To me the whole ordeal is a sick joke and i hope the fad dies. Perhaps the fad dying could reverse those sinking trans acceptance numbers too.
That's a good point, I imagine acceptance does go down as topics become "trendy." So that means, hopefully, the reverse is true.
@@talkinbout8159 i think if the people behind something appear genuine and serious, one is far more likely to take that party seriously. but if one of your role models is a man in a femme clown outfit, well... yeah...
I get it now-- they call it TikTok because users have the Tiks!
Very interesting video. You got a new sub well done
Thanks!
Your deadpan reading of Sailor Moon killed me
Came here from an Emp Lemon tweet, good video. Subbed.
A false face can lead a false impression on yourself.
I love (I'm many ways) the way you frame your videos. And as I keep an open mind listen to you as you put certain thoughts in my head you always leave me to a really interesting conclusion.
For my thoughts on the matter I don't know if I can put it in text.
But I hope your day is going great as your your hobby tends to keep impressing me. Was both my eyes and great interest of what you weavering
Have a blessed day man 👌
You're too kind, thank you!
great vid, have seen this come by in serious capacity irl also holy shit i somehow got this vid in my recommended despite it only havin a thousand views hope the algorithm smiles upon you more
Me too!
Tbh I don't like telling people I'm depressed since I've never actually been diagnosed. For all i know i could have just been sad. In the end i do feel there are some that deal with depression but at the same time i feel as though people say they are just for sympathy or because depression sounds more :0 omg he's depressed. While saying you're sad doesn't have that same hm effect(?)
Being diagnosed isn't as important as seeking help, whether that's from professionals or peers. I think that's the key difference, what are your motives? To garner sympathy or to shout into the void in hopes of finding help?
Great to see you get a boost from a bigger youtuber, solid video.
Made my day.
Tiktok, Twitter and Tumblr people try not to fake your disorders and act depressed for attention challenge (the most impossible challenge)
Also I said hi to your friend. Can't wait to hear the day I'm talking about and I'm listening to.
I gotta get working on one of those..
Found you because emp tweeted about you great vids 👍
Sir lemon got me here, good shit actually
Amazing video dude. Enlightening as always.
Fantastic, hope this hits a million views, keep it up bud!
the background has so much great meme material. feels like you made a class presentation but halfway thru the teacher said it wasn't worth any points so you kept the script but turned the video into a huge shitpost
Not worth any points!?? Man.. why am I still doing this
Mr Emp of all the Lemons sent me here.
Video ended too soon ;( I wanted to hear more!
Fantastic video as usual
it's weird seeing the lists of diagnoses in a lot of these bios. i would have given anything to just be a normal basic-ass teenager instead of constantly in residential treatment. i wasn't deep or quirky. i was drugged and had to ask to use the bathroom
i've lost so many friends to the illnesses they're trying on like costumes. kids i grew up with. friends abandoned on the street, sent to long term care wards because their family gave up on them, lost to drugs and by their own hands.
i'm worried about the ones who really do have severe mental illnesses and post a list of their diagnoses next to a photo of their face. it's hard enough to make it in the world, with an invisible illness that you somehow can't hide. there's a reason so many of us live in poverty.
TikTok mental illness: or how an entire generation placeboed themselves.
When you put it in perspective like this, I can understand a little better why people are pushing obesity to be seen as "beautiful". Only difference is that obesity is reversible and controllable unlike Tuberculosis. A sign of the times, I suppose.
That might be slightly different, I'd have to look into it
@@talkinbout8159 Possibly. It was just a thought I had. Great video btw!
@@Jiggleslinky Thanks! Obesity is a hot topic, definitely interesting, but definitely a cultural hot potato of a topic.
Emperor Lemon recommended you. Dode's got taste.
i think this all culminates in that song which the minecraft youtuber dream put out a week or two ago, called mask, basically saying that hes depressed. im not saying its impossible for someone like him to have depression, but its the fact that he so many personal friends he can talk to, who he records with regularly and he makes a song saying he has to lie about how he's feeling? to millions of subscribers who some of them might be dealing with similar thoughts? it feels very disingenuous to me, but, like you said, its marketable.
Interesting. Yeah there's no reason to shout it to the world. Support won't come from anonymous internet strangers but from those close to you in real life.
I get this video isn’t the most pro tiktok but I saw a video on tiktok that really sums up mental health: mental health has been commercialised not destigmatised. It really bugs me when people say they are pro mental health but the only image they have of it are the people on the internet who have the ‘cute’ disorders or illnesses and then shit on those who don’t fit the image but may be struggling immensely.
What's stylish always becomes monetized.
Omg another amazing video! I was just thinking about looking into this the other day too! I’ve noticed more feminine men (I hope that doesn’t come off bad, I apologize if it does! Not sure what a better word would be) partaking in this stuff as well. Do you think there’s a different reason behind it?
Actually yes! I'm reading up on that now and will be in my next video.
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Always appreciated.
As someone who did go through some serious anxiety and depression problems (actually diagnosed lol), I felt like I could barely share what was going on with my own family, let alone the whole internet, so when I see people like this, it feels so fake and attention-seeking, trying to stand out. I chose to study psychology because of the excellent work my own psychologist did so I know a little about it, sure mental illness isn't something to be ashamed of, but it's definitely not something to glorify either and no matter how much these people try and say they're "spreading awareness", they just want to feel validated.
Feeling validated is important, knowing who actually needs that versus attention is difficult though. Hope you're doing well now.
@@talkinbout8159 Totally agree, and tbh I shouldn't just blanket everyone who posts about their mental illness as doing it for attention, but there certainly are those thatdo
Incredible video mate
You just got one new subscriber, meeeeeee.
thanks for the shirts
It would be interesting to hear your take on the current trend of romanticization of mental illness that’s primarily focused on men. It’s cool to be “schizo” now and a lot of dudes want to emulate Travis Bickle or the joker.
I'm not sure how popular it is. In my personal experience it seems that those who identify as the Joker are mocked pretty ruthlessly. "I'm da Jokah baby!"
good.
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Commenting solely to bump.
Always appreciated
@@talkinbout8159 Dont understand how your king if the hill video went viral, and you make good quality content and for some reason it's not blowing up. Gonna subscribe though and I shared your video with others.
EmpLemon brought me here
good video
I looked at this.
Visibility is important, but I just can't help feeling TikTok cheapens almost every form of expression.
It's not necessarily the format, though I feel that "wrap it up in 30 seconds or less" mentality is doing something to our collective psyche that's... maybe not bad per se, but not wholesome either.
It's more the community, what they value and how they express gratitude. They're well-meaning, absolutely. But that also means that they can easily be preyed upon.
It creates an environment rife with misguided and outright manipulative actors using pain and sorrow purely to extract value from their audience.
Case in point the countless cynical "if this showed up in your feed, you need to hear it" videos which feature a bored-looking teenager dryly reciting cliches and affirmations to try and seem more empathetic and thus gain attention.
It's barefaced value extraction, and it literally permeates the app. Visibility is paramount to raising awareness. And TikTok is paramount to clout-chasing teens and twentysomethings who feel they're owed attention just for existing.
I'm not sure the two intermingling is good, but I also don't want to make anyone feel bad for liking something that's, at it's very worst, mostly harmless.
I'm just fearful of the trajectory such ubiquitous commercialism of things that should - in the name of decency - transcend our base instinct to make everything a monetary windfall.
Anyway. Ramble over.
Did I mention lately I love your content, sir? So glad I found this channel. Looking forward to the next one.
That was very well said! It's hard to express these concerns without having them reduced to the cliché "kids these days" complaint. I agree, it's the trajectory that's worrying. Social media is becoming faster, less genuine, and increasingly favorable towards those who will do anything for attention. Only time will tell where it takes us.
Emperor Lemon sends me, I subscribe.
Same
Good video.
This is just Emplemon's second channel isn't it
I wish.
MMmmmm, languor!
Victim culture has scrambled the minds of gen Z.
He literally talks about the issue historically, extending long before gen z.
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I'm going to have to strongly disagree with your conclusion about whether or not we should be stopping this, and your comparison to emo is exactly why. Cutting and self harm were a horrible trend when we were going to school. People got very seriously hurt, and even died. Even non-suicidal cutting led to permanent marks and infections for many people. Cutting also led to nerve damage for some. If there was anything that could have been done to stop the romanticization of self-harm, we should have done it- but the sheer force of social contagion was overwhelming. Today, with the romanticization of mental illness, people are convincing themselves that they have a very serious mental condition, and in doing so, stepping far off the path that could lead to healthier emotional self-understanding and development. But the real people they're hurting, are the people who actually have those mental conditions, and are seeing the spaces they built flooded with misinformation and trendy pretenders undoing the years and decades of hard work they've done to take control for themselves over the narratives of their condition. Even worse, they are straining already scarce psych resources which are needed for people who actually have these conditions.
I think the lesson to be learned is that we cannot change this. We couldn't stop the emo phase so why should we think we can change this or future generations. At that age no one wants to listen to 'well meaning adults.' It's been apart of the human experience for centuries. To think that suddenly we'd be able to change humanity for the better I think is naïve, although well meaning. That said, I am pretty nihilistic so my view is skewed. Appreciate the discourse!
you didnt have to show me obese hat kid and you know it
You know I did.
@@talkinbout8159 damn you
Im not a fan of seeing an outsider to a topic take a single angle for a discussion with two sides of one argument for a spectrum of content.
A lot of opinions here are pandering to the "unstable artist" argument that you've presented. This is giving off a very negative impression of this content, which is used for expression of people's struggles with mental illness.
You've perpetuated the antiquated "sad girl" stereotype for a mental illness discussion on a modern platform.
Maybe we should be discussing why people develop mental illnesses, and the absolute garbage fire that is the mental health industry rather than why it's "trendy."
We most certainly should be discussing that. This video is just examining a very particular trend.
@@talkinbout8159 But you've presented this trend with a black and white choose a side discussion. You've glossed over the depth of this situation to compare it to historical trends. All for a debate over whether or not people are lying for attention or telling the truth. Which is extremely harmful to society's perception of mental illness.
Even though you've presented this as a discussion I feel that your choose a side format is harmful to the discussion. It would be entirely different to analyze why people act "sickly" to seem "cool" but instead you've presented reasons to avoid validating people's mental illness.
@@talkinbout8159 I mean I really feel like this video missed the Mark, and you seem to have done some surface level research on it. I say this because your points seem biased even though you claim they are not, and also because most of not all of your “negative points” are greatly discussed in the same community you criticize. And you straw-manned the positive arguments a bit which I also find a little iffy. I don’t have anything against you as a content creator, I have no idea who you are, but I feel like this video could have been researched a lot better. Not to mention implications that pre-modern medical confusion and romanization is anywhere near post-modern advancements in diagnosis and understanding, the over generalization of an entire category, and anecdotal hyperbolized “sources” and “info”.