Your theory seems intuitive. I thought the same as well naturally, but I think the relationship between surface area and friction is much more complicated than it appears. Surface area isn’t an included variable in the equation we use to determine friction. This is also pretty misleading.. it really depends on certain properties of the two objects. For hard material that’s dry, like two pieces of metal, friction should be independent of area, but for sticky or softer things, like tires on a road or tape, surface area does affect the amount of friction. Something on the molecular level determines it.. I’m unsure. So you’re correct in a sense but it’s complicated, haha. Unsure how surface area affects hard plastic when there’s lube involved but it’s something I should look into. 🫠
I think it's a cool system, something new and unique, but we all just saw lotus switches are even more stable than the gateron probes, and at least right now the lotus switch comes in packs of 90 for half the cost of 3x35 packs from gateron, and it comes with a set of matching plate mount stabs and a key tester. Think there's kind of a clear winner... Thanks for the quality content and the extra helpful suggestions.
You were talking about the switches, but YOU NEVER EMPHASIZED THE PC FOREVER 🔥🗣. I also loved how concise the voiceover was; it didn't feel like it was your first. It was just enough to not feel like rambling but also not so scripted that it felt like a robot. You really nailed it, mate :D
Tried out their Melody switch which has the same kind of dual-rail. Hard to tell too much on that specific switch due to a click jacket but performance was nice overall. Gateron factory lube has been really hit-or-miss for me. In some cases. I've had a great experience (such as with the Mini "i"). In other cases, I've had a good 15-20% of the switches sounding over-lubed and dull, requiring either lots of time spent cleaning them up or spending more money to get enough good ones out of the box (CM, Quinn). Still, always like seeing attempts at innovation or unique switch design.
For sure! It's nice to see bigger manufacturers experimenting with new things and new lubing techniques. I hope one day the majority of switches will come ready to be used with no work needed
i think the main gamechanger for wobble are the tolerances. so if the dual rail system would theoretically allow them to make the tolerances tighter than normal then it will do jackshit if they dont actually produce them with tighter tolerances. Just changing the geometry of the guiding geometry alone physically cant do much if the tolerances arent tight. just my 2 cents
Yeah, your reasoning makes sense to me. For what it’s worth, the tolerances seems tighter on these than they do on older Gateron switches. I think that’s what’s contributing to tighter fitting housings and less stem wobble, not so much the dual rail.
dual rails means more surface area and more friction. Not sure if its enough to be noticeable in any way.
Your theory seems intuitive. I thought the same as well naturally, but I think the relationship between surface area and friction is much more complicated than it appears.
Surface area isn’t an included variable in the equation we use to determine friction. This is also pretty misleading.. it really depends on certain properties of the two objects. For hard material that’s dry, like two pieces of metal, friction should be independent of area, but for sticky or softer things, like tires on a road or tape, surface area does affect the amount of friction. Something on the molecular level determines it.. I’m unsure. So you’re correct in a sense but it’s complicated, haha.
Unsure how surface area affects hard plastic when there’s lube involved but it’s something I should look into. 🫠
Nope, try look on theory of friction, even the equation in physics doesn't include surface area
The moment you did the sound test of the switches in the same spot, it earned my subscription immediately LOL
It just wouldn’t make sense any other way haha
I think it's a cool system, something new and unique, but we all just saw lotus switches are even more stable than the gateron probes, and at least right now the lotus switch comes in packs of 90 for half the cost of 3x35 packs from gateron, and it comes with a set of matching plate mount stabs and a key tester. Think there's kind of a clear winner...
Thanks for the quality content and the extra helpful suggestions.
I really appreciate that! I agree, it's really tough to justify spending twice the price for switches that aren't as good..
Which lotus switch are you talking about?
They were talking about HMX Lotus switches, which you can get from Unikeys!@@z3us89
You were talking about the switches, but YOU NEVER EMPHASIZED THE PC FOREVER 🔥🗣. I also loved how concise the voiceover was; it didn't feel like it was your first. It was just enough to not feel like rambling but also not so scripted that it felt like a robot. You really nailed it, mate :D
Hahaha, the problem was if I mentioned the PC Forever I would have rambled on about it entire video. Thanks for the kind words my guy!
Excellent video, thank you for the informative perspective.
I appreciate that! Glad you found it informative!
Tried out their Melody switch which has the same kind of dual-rail. Hard to tell too much on that specific switch due to a click jacket but performance was nice overall. Gateron factory lube has been really hit-or-miss for me. In some cases. I've had a great experience (such as with the Mini "i"). In other cases, I've had a good 15-20% of the switches sounding over-lubed and dull, requiring either lots of time spent cleaning them up or spending more money to get enough good ones out of the box (CM, Quinn). Still, always like seeing attempts at innovation or unique switch design.
For sure! It's nice to see bigger manufacturers experimenting with new things and new lubing techniques. I hope one day the majority of switches will come ready to be used with no work needed
i think the main gamechanger for wobble are the tolerances. so if the dual rail system would theoretically allow them to make the tolerances tighter than normal then it will do jackshit if they dont actually produce them with tighter tolerances. Just changing the geometry of the guiding geometry alone physically cant do much if the tolerances arent tight. just my 2 cents
Yeah, your reasoning makes sense to me. For what it’s worth, the tolerances seems tighter on these than they do on older Gateron switches. I think that’s what’s contributing to tighter fitting housings and less stem wobble, not so much the dual rail.
how can people live with that constant clicking .. is beyond me,
thanks for the demo :)
theres wayyyy to many saliva sounds for me to stomach
LOL