Doctor Who's Lost 90s Cartoon
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2023
- In recent years, Doctor Who has embraced the world of animations, but this wasn't always the case. In today's very in-depth video, I explore the history of Doctor Who's failed 90s cartoon "The New Doctor Who."
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On paper it seems like Dr. Who should work BETTER animated. It'd let you do crazier sci-fi stuff, make the reincarnation thing easier to handle, and let you visit older characters whose actors otherwise would be too old to reprise the role.
This. I just do not understand why they just don't give the Classic Doctors an animated series when the actors are still eager to play the characters. Big Finish shows they have a lot to go yet.
@@rayvenkman2087 I heard that big finishes high prices were so the company could stay afloat so it seems like even their audio dramas are already expensive adding animation would just make them more so I think It ultimately comes down to The Chronic problem of Doctor Who money
There was a pitch for a Doctor Who the Animated Series and it would have cycled through each of the eleven Doctors, starting with the First Doctor. The idea was to use the series to fill in gaps left in the series. There was one piece of concept art showed the First Doctor with two child companions, a boy from the 1920s and a girl from modern day. The BBC requested revisions, then ultimately passed on the concept, stating that they preferred to focus on the live-action series. Found it on Doctor Who's wiki.
When I first saw this video I could only think of how bad western animation was in the 90s, but now I just remembered a very underrated gem, Phantom 2040. Peter Chung's style fits perfectly with high concept sci-fi stories.
The first concept you covered honestly seemed the most like the doctor who we know and honestly sounded like a fantastic series.
Too bad there was a case of too many cooks and the whole thing just got drawn out, over complicated, and strayed far too far from the source material
So like Dr. who.
So many cooks. SO MANY COOKS!
It happens all too often.
I forget Dreamland is a thing every time until someone mentions it, it deletes itself from my brain
lmao it’s a silent
Wish I had this skill
Sorry, what were we talking about?
@@Grayvorn DREAMLAND! IF I HAVE TO REMEMBER IT SO DO YOU!!!!!
@@brewster_4 weirdly enough I love it actually. Although that is partly because two valued friends worked on it.
I love how the main criticism of the first draft concept was that it was too silly and American, only for each subsequent draft to become increasingly more silly and American.
And funny enough the first draft actually felt the most grounded and faithful to *Doctor Who* .
Which the current tv version is becoming
I unironically would have probably loved this as a kid. This was such an interesting and unique topic, thank you for bringing some more exposure to this lost gem.
I absolutely love the Mobius inspired designs for the show. Absolutely brilliant. A shame those late-stage re-writes screwed everything up.
Can you imagine if we'd gotten an incarnation of the Doctor exclusive to animation? God, that would've been a massive headache for future anniversary specials. Like, do you bring back the voice actor, what if he looks nothing like his incarnation in real life?
Ah 90s animation production, when the biggest concern wasn't "is it good?" but "Will it sell toys?"
That's 1980's. The 1990's was more creator driven by that time.
Very much a by-product of what happened with Star Wars, I think.
By the way, the Daleks planning to irradiate the planet was a nice touch. It’s a tribute to the first serial regarding the Daleks, where they come from an irradiated planet that came from a nuclear war between two major powers (gee, I wonder why they would have made *that* plot in the sixties 🙃)
The Doctor with the spiked hair and jacket looks like a character from Extreme Ghostbusters.
My dad started working for Tyco in 1994. It’s fun to know that he was only 2 years off from potentially working on Doctor Who toys. He was there through them being bought out by Mattel. His division was laid off in 2004. He was a model maker and worked on the models that a lot of radio controlled cars and Matchbox cars from the mid-90’s through early 2000’s were based on. Basically he was handed a blueprint and he carved a model by hand that they then turned into molds. The company didn’t start using computerized stuff until the tail end of his time there.
That art style in the thumbnail is _peak_ 90s 😯
I think it would still be amazing to have a Doctor Who animated series. I would love if it could be animated versions of Big Finush audios, or even some if the novels
An Anthology series with multipart stories that don't necessarily follow on from each other, possibly animated in different styles, might be the way to go with something like Doctor Who. The wilderness years has some very good material for this sort of thing.
@@FunnyClementinelike Star Wars Visions
Yeah, I've long thought Doctor Who would work well in animation. I've done a couple of Big Finish animated scenes and I'm considering trying to do a whole story once my current project is done.
Someone has recently animated The Genocide Machine.
Animated versions of Big Finish audios could be possible for an animated series.
We do have animations of lost serial chapters in Classic Doctor Who
Dr. Who would actually lend itself very well to an animated format.
It would give the team and writers more freedom and creativity with the locations and character designs as well as avoid the pitfall of TV Budget CGI.
the doctor concept art looked so much like the animated Egon of Ghostbusters that I thought I had seen this show lol
I think the “Goes Hawaiian” thing was the go-to joke name for a sequel prior to “Electric Boogaloo” taking its place. There was an infamous sequel to Gidget called “Gidget Goes Hawaiian” where they weren’t able to get the lead actress back but made the movie anyway. Kevin Smith made a joke about “Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian” on his first “Evening with Kevin Smith” dvd.
I think it was proof that the David Cole guy was totally unqualified to do the job.
“Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian” actually was a proposed sequel to “Beetlejuice”. But I think you are right, it’s 100 percent a (very American) joke about this being a sequel series to the original show. The inappropriateness of the title must have been understood by its writer.
A shame the Doctor Who animated series never happened. Raven would have been an awesome character.
Dr Who in this cartoon looks like a odd fusion of Inspector Gadget and Vash the Stampede
I'd love to see an animated series of Paul McGanns adventures.
They could make animated features out of the wealth of Big Finish productions since all the voice work is done. They'd just have to pay additional licensing to use the voices again
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Yes. If it can't be live action, then animation is the next best thing for him. It would be cool to see adaptations of his audio works or new stories set after his movie.
Find me a Tardis and take me to the timelines where we have Dr. Who video games developed by golden age Konami and Capcom.
this "outside the normal TV canon" material is exactly what I like to watch from you :)
I mean there is no normal TV Canon
That one Doctor design, with the long jacket, spiked hair and glasses, gives me SERIOUS flashbacks to the reimagined Simon Belmont from 'Captain N & The Game Masters'
The title "Doctor Who Goes Hawaiian" may have been a reference to a script written for a proposed but never made Beetlejuice sequel called "Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian" that was supposedly abandoned because Warner Brothers wanted Tim Burton to focus on making a Batman sequel.
"Such and Such goes Hawaiian" was a running gag in the entertainment industry. A bit like everything being made by "ACME" when they needed a generic name for a company in a story. (Which featured prominently in Looney Tunes cartoons, for example.) It was a way of saying "Such and Such Goes Wild and Crazy" (like a Hawaiian shirt, crazy pattern)...and had a potential of everything being -nothing- like what it was originally. Which is why Beetlejuice 2 had the proposed title... it was going to be vastly different than the first movie. Likely, as it turns out, the same reasoning would apply for that DW animated script. Today, it's usually "Such and Such Goes Wild!" like the old reality videos "Girls Gone Wild!"
I'm really surprised that we've never gotten a Doctor Who animated series in all this time.
As a Canadian, as crazy as I was for Doctor Who, that final concept they landed on...is way too dorky 90's North American. Which is nuts, Due South was an amazing, well written show, so Cole had it in him to write good, compelling stuff. If it had come out during the great drought, I would have watched it, but boy, the first few scripts/concepts sounded way better. What a difference actually knowing the show makes.
i first started watching doctor who on netflix as a kid, my dad wanting to show me and my siblings something he enjoyed in college, but he put on the revival instead on accident and, in the process, made me a lifelong fan. if a doctor who cartoon had been made in the 90s i would've been all over that as a kid. kind of a shame it fell through the cracks. maybe someday...
Peter o'toole in drag sounds 100% like a doctor to me
Man I'd wish Nelvana's Doctor Who cartoon became a reality, it looked so good and fun. Plus I would've been excited as a kid if Nelvana's Doctor Who did a crossover episode with Care Bears as I was avid fan of both as a kid.
Much better than the modern trainwreck of a reboot.
@@The_Cosmic_Yog-Sothoth Yep modern Care Bears has lost it's golden age 1980s magic and fell from grace since the cgi 2000s series onwards to the current day. Also removing the Care Bear cousins from the new series was a fatal mistake.
Exactly.@@squallrowlandson8028
@@squallrowlandson8028 Actually the only CGI things that the Care Bears did in the 2000s were movies. TV shows featuring them in CGI didn't happen until the 2010s.
Also how bad is the new Care Bears show? I've never seen it and I only own a few pieces of merch.
This is such a weird, fascinating little corner of Doctor Who history. Great job collating all the information and presenting it in such an easily digestible way!
It's funny seeing this pick up more Americanisation, when the revival stuck to proper doctor who spirit and became a global juggernaut
The 2005 one that's clearly inspired heavily by Buffy and the 1996 American TVM's style?
I am in favor of the modern Dr. Who writers bringing back the Master's metal-bird henchman. Name him B3-AK or something.
This is so strange and i can’t believe this might of happened and also don’t let David Cole any where near doctor who and if he does send a dalek executioner on him he makes the timeless child ark seem like a really good story idea
"arc" 😂
That guy sounded like a moron. I don't know who he was, but I'm guessing he was friends with one of the owners of Nelvana back then. I'm totally with John De Klein saying that it was STUPID.
@@ShamrockParticle?
Thank you so much for posting this! I started working at Nelvana in 1991 as a layout artist on Beetlejuice. I met John De Klein and Ted Bastien and worked alongside them sometimes. I remember the Dr. Who concept drawings pinned up on the bulletin boards by Ted, and I was so interested in the possibility of that project coming to light! No one wanted to talk about it....and now I know why. Thank you also for posting that tribute to Ted at the end. He was a phenomenal artist who was never treated as well as he should have been by the executives at Nelvana. He was treated well at Guru, the studio that makes Paw Patrol though.
17:40 I think you'll find "Yes, we know who you are" is a perfectly normal thing for a Dalek to say.
Only to Harriet Jones, former prime minister
@@powpenguin7483Yes, we know who she is :P
"Your identity is known to us" is more Dalek
surprised you didn't talk about the first attempt at a Doctor Who Cartoon with Hannah Barbara's pitch which ended up being turned into a weird happy days spin-off.
That story is fake actually.
@@80sDisneyFanSo someone just thought that the Happy Days Gang were the perfect choice for time traveling adventures when Doctor Who was coming off its 70s hype?
@@KingRandor82 Idk man it was the 80's. There were other weird animated spin-offs of live-action stuff.
The picture of the doctor at 6:31 reminds me of Egon Spengler from The Real Ghostbusters.
More of Cole's suggestions:
1. K9 needs to be louder, angrier and have access to a time machine.
2. Whenever K9 isn't on screen, people should be asking "where's Awesome? ".
And look sad when they ask
So much of the doctor concept art reminds me of vash the stampede from the trigun manga, especially the one at 20:53 something about the massive overcoat. Weirdly, it kind of works for the character though, they both have the sort of whimsical kind of goofy but still strong, imposing and secretly very calculating characteristics.
Even if it was terribly different than the Doctor we know and love, its a shame this show didn't make it off the ground. It's just so novel, I'm sure even if it was rubbish most fans would have a soft spot for it.
The concept art was amazing, I kind of want a world where this existed for a few seasons in the 90s, then in the 2000 the series was revived like as it actually was by RTD. Also interesting how prominent the Rani was, and I like the half cyberman character.
It's cool to hear someone raise awareness about projects like this. I always wondered what this Doctor Who show would have been like, so thanks for doing this.
One minor personal critique: I know that the video is not about it, but reducing Rock & Rule to the words "Adult feature flop" is a little harsh. There were various internal reasons that sabotaged that film. It was intentionally buried by a changing of higher ups in charge of distribution that simply did not support the vision of the film's creators. Is that film perfect or even everyone's jam? No, but MGM/UA never even gave it the chance to flop, as it saw an astronomically small release and was basically DoA. So few people even know about that movie and how ambitious it was, so even just a couple sentences elaborating on its unique existence and production would be appreciated when recapping Nelvana's history as a company. Just my opinion tho.
Im glad you mentioned Moebius’ work on Tron. I love it when Doctor Who and Tron cross paths. I may sound like a colossal loser, but seeing two of my favorite things intermingle just for a bit is honestly way too satisfying.
If Marvel UK had done a Tron comic, Death's Head probably would've wound up in it!
You don't sound like a loser.
Doctor Who is awesome.
Tron is awesome.
Seeing our favorites cross paths is awesome.
You're not a loser. I also love Doctor Who and Tron and would feel the same way
@@jonothanthrace1530 Derivative, Yes? Memetic. Very Annoying.
Addictive, correct?
Definitely not a loser
Man a Doctor Who animated show would be great now
I am suprised none BBC producers never thought use anime to remake lost or incomplete episodes of Dr Who until after 2019
Based on the design of the Doctor in these production photos, I think I finally figured out the Doctor’s name: Egon Spengler!😲
Seriously, a lot of times the character model shown looks like an anime RGB Egon. Though not as much as the scientist from _Battle Angel: Alita._ 🙄
And the ape-cyborg looks rather like Tracy from that OTHER Ghostbusters cartoon
This show sounds *wild.* I need to see this.
EDIT: The first one, not the Time Crusaders, which seems like a watered-down version, or Cole’s rewrite, which was… 🤦♂️
They took "change the Doctor design." and just ran with it, right? Wild.
This is honestly fascinating. I'm glad this ended up in my recommended videos, because, otherwise, I never would've known this Doctor Who animated series almost existed
I liked the initial pitch with the design of The Doctor with the long coat looking like Egon Spengler from The Real Ghostbusters 😊
This is the first time I've ever heard the name "Ichabod Crane" pronounced as "Itch-a-bod." (it's usually Ick-a-bod).
For some reason in the late 80s and early 90s jokey titles parodying 'Gidget Goes Hawaiian' were really popular and was one of the potential sequel ideas for Beetlejuice among other things... It was not a long lasting fad.
Avi Arad was fired from Marvel studios pretty early on and only worked on things in name only because his only "successes" were actually getting it off the ground after already selling off the film rights to most of the characters. Then being shuffled off to TV so that Kevin Feige could do his thing and turn it into ya know, Marvel. Arad's only other major contribution was Inhumans (ugh) and he gets a name credit on the Sony Marvel stuff like Spiderverse and Mobius because he signed the rights contract that shared Spiderman and his characters with the other studio. He's also a Trump donor
😂🤣”He’s also a Trump donor” is the perfect dingleberry on top of the 💩 sundae that is your rap sheet for Avi “PUT VENOM IN IT, SAM” Raimi.
It's really no wonder Nickelodeon pushed for creator driven animation. Between the corporate greed of toy companies and the lack of respect for the people actually making the damned thing, it's a wonder we ever got cartoons at all back then. It sounds like a hellscape where nobody is happy with the final product.
It's weird that their Chewbacca homage was named Fran, because FFXII's Chewbacca homage was also named Fran
Imagine the look on Dave Filoni’s face if he wanted to introduce a Wookiee character nicknamed Fran, but was told by one of the REALLY nerdy interns that Square-Enix already created a similar character!
Definitely feels Cole had no knowledge / respect for the original source material. Probably should have approached a UK studio like Cosgrove Hall in the first place, kept it close to the original, but with plenty of toyetic designs for tyco, and we could have had a good show with a toy-line to go with it and everyone make money.
Mmm yeah doctor who is British and if you remove that it’s a bit awkward 😅
Sounds like David Cole was a "closed system" and figuratively "fed off himself", like an Ouroboros but more phallic
What a brilliant mini documentary of what could have been
Oh what I would have given to see this show come to fruition
A classic case of too many cooks in the kitchen and nobody wanted to follow the recipe. It's astonishing. Dr. Who should have been easy to turn into a cartoon, what with the blue print already well laid out across 25+ seasons. Unreal.
Producers of movies and TV shows always think that the rule, "If it's not broken, don't fix it!" doesn't apply to them when adapting an already well established property. They almost always insist on "fixing" something that isn't broken.
@WyldstaarStudios More so in Hollywood and the current day hacks who smugly thinks they know better.
Why do you say 25 + why not just say 26 which is how many seasons it was at the time currently it's closer to 30 +
Actually it might be closer to 40
@@plantainsame2049 It was 4 months ago, so I'm not sure. Mostly likely because I was not sure of the exact number and took an educated guess. Much like you are doing yourself.
@@harlandmct classic had 26 and new is going onto its 14
So 40
Not included are the specials the other specials or the movie
I really like the idea of the new companions being used in a live action series. The main female companion named Raven and the Half Cyberman character but not so keen on the Alien Ape but some kind of Alien companion would make an interesting addition
Great video, dude. All I knew of this project was some bits of concept art, so was really interesting to learn about that whole pre-production process. Would be great to see more of this style of video from you in the future!
I recall hearing about two Beetlejuice sequels back in the 90s. One was titled Beetlejuice in Love. The other sequel was titled Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian.
I remember back in the 70s there were several TV shows and sitcoms that did at least one Hawaiian episode storyline.
Starsky and Hutch, the Jeffersons, and most famously the Brady Bunch. It was kind of a gag to do in the 90s.
I have NEVER heard of this! Thank you for the video and the very well-done research.
I did not know about this! Thank you very much for making this video! You really did an amazing job explaining the history of a possible animated series! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
"Harriet Jones. Former Prime Minister"
17:40 "Yes yes, I know who you are"
The original 2 ideas (before that crap concept with the cocktail party backstory) would probably have made for some amazing viewing. Especially with the fairly bizarre art style of Nilvana.
I keep learning about these failed animated series, the other day I discovered that there was a Spaceballs cartoon released in 2008, Mel Brooks produced it so I thought I’d give it a watch, much to my chagrin I now understand why it was only 13 episodes long
Wow. I didn't even know that there was a space balls animated series. It was obviously that bad it got buried then.
I tried to watch the original series chronologically but some of the episodes were like burnt in a fire and lost forever or something and the amount of other series and episode felt too daunting.
I usually just watch what I can and just fill in the gaps later as the BBC does whatever they can to restore some once lost events. This is probably the only known exception to my iron willed rule of never skipping canon events of any series. I know alot of episodes are never more and most likely never to be restored but that never stops my love for the ever eccentric doctor and crew.
The original taped missing episodes of Dr Who were originally wiped by the BBC so that they could reuse the tapes for other projects and cut down on storage space. Some of the 'lost' stories have been found and restored while others have been reproduced in an animation form. Which although they're not quite like the originals. Can still give you a good idea of what they were like back in the day. Although some have been lost forever. So animation is the only way forward for them but If you can get past the missing episodes and try to follow the series. You'll find a wealth of amazing science fiction stories. Which although clunky at times. Improve as the series progresses.
Even worse than an accident, the BBC recycled the tapes DELIBERATELY.
Much of what remains from the first two Doctors has come from copies sold overseas and later sent back to the BBC
Okay honestly? The Master with a gigantic metal bird robot would be incredible.
Yeah the plots here sound pretty janky, but those designs go hard.
4:29 The Doctor as 60's Disney villain?
33:03 I disagree completely with your take. In my opinion, without the cashflow of a toyline, it would have been impossible to make the show. What a lot of creatives and fans fail to realize is that virtually all aspects of any creative work, regardless of medium, cost money. A lot of money. There was no chance some millionaire Whovian was going to come along and write Nelvana a blank check. Merchandizing was the only practical way for them to get the money they needed. Based on what this video tells us, what killed The New Doctor Who wasn’t Nelvana selling out, it was the BBC refusing to compromise.
This!, man. So much beloved media really only existed because it was not-so-secretly a toy commercial.
The original concept, I probably would have ultimately liked. The whole Doctor Who in name only part, No. I'm glad things went as they did instead. The logo with the watch is pretty cool though As to the Peter O'Toole in drag remark, no, those sketches look like Roger in 101 Dalmations and the others look either like Egon Spengler from The Real Ghostbusters and a weird take on Tom Baker. I'm going to assume she was making some remark based on O'Toole's Elizabeth the 1st costume in Rebecca's Daughters
"Roger in 101 Dalmations"
You know, I see it. That one just looked like a not-British person's idea of the most English Englishman ever.
@@MattMcIrvin Which is why oddly, it also seemed the most appropriate of the iders.
I think “Doctor Who Goes Hawaiian” is probably a reference to the 1990 abandoned Beetlejuice Sequel script “Beetlejuice Goes Hawaiian” by Mars Attacks screenwriter Jonathan Gems. Seems like someone heard that script was floating around Hollywood at that time and decided to riff on it.
A Doctor Who series I would love to see would be centered around the events of The Last Great Time War and how it ended.
Well done my man! I`m Canadian and knowing that Nelvana(Pride of Canada!) almost created what I believe could of started a major amalgamation of Doctor Who-erie! Cheers from Quebec!
The First or Second versions feel like they would have been a success. In some alternate time line "Dr. Who and The Time Crusaders" is a beloved 90's scifi cartoon. The Doctor traveling to even more far out worlds with new "Crusaders" joining while older ones committed to some planet Everytime the toy line needed as refresh along with a brad new regeneration of the Doctor. The third version just changed too much and got pulled in too many directions.
This blond Doctor looks like if Danny Kaye were alive and in his prime, cast in the role, and then turned into a cartoon character.
Didn't expect to see Rock and Rule mentioned. That movie is fantastic. In a way that you need to be under certain influences to truly enjoy it.
Amazing. I'm 52 and Dr Who was still the most important thing in my life back in the 90's, but I don't remember this at all.
Thank you for bringing this to light. I never knew of the proposed animated Doctor Who, and upon hearing all the changes it underwent, not to mention interferences by studio heads (which is why many of today's movie and TV shows end up failing miserably), it's a good thing that an animated series wasn't made. As an American, I've long been a Doctor Who fan, entering into the series during Tom Baker's tenure (like most North American fans who enjoyed the original series before its end in 1989). So, to hear all the various concepts, it really does sound like people didn't do their homework, which is actually not surprising given that many US film franchises that were turned into cartoon series seemed more in name only and not actually basing their series on the source material (again, not unlike movies based on other media forms, such as comics and video games). Honestly, beyond the first proposed stories, and even that can be debated, those who tried to introduce more weirder and out of touch ideas seem like they were taking inspirations from bad LSD trips. If ever a North American animated company or distributor of a foreign company, such as those in Japan, I would definitely want it to have the familiar British feel to it, or at the very least as Sydney Newman had originally conceived.
I originally thought this was going to be related to an animated pitch I recall seeing in the late 1990s at a Chicago Visions convention. It was one of the few times I’ve been in a room full of strangers that all looked at each other and thought ‘This isn’t happening’.
That was the Karen McCoy pitch. The latest issue of Vworp! Vworp! (from which the information and images in this video comes) also covers the full Karen McCoy story as well as photographs from that slide show of images put on at Visions.
Knowing the character designer worked on Clone High, I would've loved for him to have drawn The Doctor in that show's style if he were still with us.
the animated doctor almost looks like the chief from the (1994-1999) cartoon where in the world is Carmen Sandiego. (voiced by Rodger Bumpass)
Way back in Tom Barker era, In Key to Time stories didn't Doctor install randomizer circuitry which made it impossible for them decision exactly choice time period?
I would've loved a cartoon like this on PBS.
Everything I heard you say about the third version of this idea sounds like the guy never watched Doctor Who but got told Douglas Adams had worked on the show at some point and instead read the Hitchikers Guide to the galaxy. Surprised the timelords were not drunk on pan-galactic gargle blasters!
Having watched the Droids and Ewoks shows from Nelvana as a kid, this sounds like exactly what they would do with Doctor Who. Take an already well established world and it's characters with an enthusiastic audience, and then completely change most of what that built-in audience loves about it.
From what little i remember of the Droids TV series, it seemed to have its charm.
Huh? Droids and Ewoks follow the movies pretty closely
@@chuth2768 The Empire is barely in Droids at all, and the only two recognizable characters are Artoo and Threepio. The fight against the Empire is completely missing. The Rebel Alliance is completely missing. Ewoks had absolutely nothing to do with what was seen in Return of the Jedi, although I could let that slide for a cartoon, considering there was essentially zero character development for any of the Ewoks.
They had a cute icebear though
@@WyldstaarStudios Both cases are Prequels, and in the case of Ewoks the Empire didn't even exist at that time. In fact timeline-wise it might even precede The Phantom Menace, but in any case Endor is a backwater, and the Empire only came there to build the Death Star Shield Generator, and did so precisely BECAUSE it was a backwater.
Another funny/sad thing I noticed that you didn't mention explitcitly is how all the scripts/bibles had Raven/Rowan as the main companion... and yet she is nowhere in the toy list you show. Classic toy company thinking.
"We don't need no stinkin' girl toys"
This video is so well made, I found it very easy to follow and learnt a lot! Great work!
I didn't even know there was a cartoon series in the works. It's a shame it never to fruition but perhaps that's a blessing in disguise because as you say, it may have prevented the live action relaunch we ended up getting. I just hope Dr who doesn't get grinded down to the ground like it was in the 80s.
Yeah i don’t want to live in a timeline where it didn’t come back in the 2000’s and David Tentant became my favourite of the few guys I’ve seen (I keep forgetting the 9th doctor’s name 😅)
@@gracekim25 Christopher Eccleston
Well, I think it's safe to say David Cole was probably one of the main factors of why this show never happened.
The original script and ideas by John De Klein are leagues ahead of what David Cole did. Especially because John actually knows the backstory of Doctor Who.
3:25 This is the best design, it's Tom Capaldi!
Funny how the first treatment was actually the doctor we all know and love. Yet people who obviously aren't fans or know anything about the source material were writers.
Does anyone else remember Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century?
I find it interesting that the perspective on the UK side is that the toy production is to blame for the failure of this show to launch, whereas, from the North American perspective, pretty much no cartoon show would be able to get launched at all during this time period without profits from such toy deals xD
I think that really goes to show the divergence in strategies between the two areas on how children's media is addressed at the time, and the general distance of corporate sponsorship in UK vs embrace of it in North America.
Copyright is a real nightmare in the UK.
That second pitch sounds perfectly promising, why did they feel the need to change it?
This whole progression sounds likeva classic children's game "telephone," where one child starts a phrase and it progresses through a ring of children one by one until the last child loudly offers the final version of the phrase.
The whole game is a "degradation of signal" exercise.
Much like the disastrous animation attempt's many forms on its way to never happening.
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And I thought the 96 relaunch was bad.
Yikes.
Such an interesting and well made watch, I hade no idea any of this even happened, so Thankyou!
So glad this series did not happen! Thank you for your work on this, never knew this was an actual thing! 😂
That morbius joke was uncalled for :p
Bring back De kline
31:12
"These Ninja Turtles are amazing, I wouldn't be surprised if they made toys of them one day..."
- some hack at the BBC, probably
Dr who was kinda unknown in my country before Christopher Eclerson, so if I was a kid I wouldt have no fucking clue about what dr who was but I would probably love this show.