Episode 188: Professor Guy McPherson - Will The World End Sooner Than We Think?
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- Welcome to the Human Performance Outliers Podcast with hosts Dr. Shawn Baker and Zach Bitter. For this episode, Professor Guy McPherson joined the show. Guy is an American scientist, professor emeritus of natural resources and ecology and evolutionary biology at the University of Arizona. He is known for the idea of Near-Term Human Extinction, a term he coined about the likelihood of human extinction by 2030.
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Well that was depressing!!!!! What I took from this - whether we are heading for extinction or not is: to be grateful, live in the present, not sweat the small stuff and most importantly nurture your relationships❤️
Therese Larfield I think this guy is trying to come to terms with his own mortality. I have faith in my grandchildren and the future and think they will address these issues long after I’m dead.
Actually, I think that takeaway is good no matter what. I heard a famous Beverly Hills priest who had given last rites to countless rich and famous people said about the same thing. Never heard anyone say let me see my Rolex or Roll Royce one last time. They want the people they love around them.
@@helenguilford3136 Hi Helen, sadly I suggest that you check out the worldwide insect loss.
@@helenguilford3136 Hi Helen, Oh I wish you were right. Then I check the worldwide loss of insects (90%), the loss of earthworms, the loss of wildlife (see WWF) and I remember how rich in life the farmfields were in the 1960s and that was after much wildlife loss already. The problem for humanity is the reduction in crop yields in the Northern Hemisphere. I am so sorry. Enjoy your family
@@geofffriend4161 Yes there's no doubt that humans are beating all other Life species except micro-organisms. I've never studied the topic but it's obvious. Because I've never studied the topic I'm clueless on time lines for the milestones. They call that a "Pyrrhic victory" when humans triumph so completely in their fecundity and scope/range against the other large, medium and (apparently) insect Life in the fun Game Of Life to achieve supremacy.
I appreciate when honest highly educated intellectual people tell the truth whether you want to hear or not and where it is positive or truly negative and pessimistic. I believe that a Pessimistic person is a well educated and observant Individual.
A terrestrial point,.. 8 days ago, in North Queensland, at a small flowing water hole beneath falls, (was beautiful) flowing well from recent rains, I sat and looked from a high vantage point, there were no birds, no birds, I looked and looked, I could see far and wide, no birds, I could not hear a bird, there were 2 butterfly's there were 3 small red dragon flies, one large red hornet, and a couple of stick insects, there were not even any ants not that I remember, this was all very strange, but not as unusual any more. 30 years ago at this spot, at dawn, you would not hear yourself think for birds., There has been a very fast decline in a lot of life up here in North Queensland, once the jungle used to sound like it was breathing at night the insects and life was so loud, the noise would go up and down all in unison and other calls also, now it is so much quieter, unless rain, but not the loud noise it used to be, even here now with light rain every thing is quite. The fire flies have gone also. when once as a child we got bottle fulls, in a very short time. No one notices.
Isn't that sad that no one notices
@@deirdre8752 Well it's more than sad, its could be classed as irresponsible, it's how far human society has divorced itself from Nature, It should be reasonably to think, that the ordinary observer could have told long ago that the Planet was being put under stress. That it takes science, and numbers and chemical compositions, and is still denied, by the masses, says that humans became very selfish and blind to many things about Nature. The Planet gave, always has, and instead of humans taking and giving back, it was rape. That the governing factor should have been intelligence, also tells us it is far from any governing factor, it could also be fact, it most likely is the main destroyer. In lot of ways, thinking and consciousnesses may have nothing to do with required survival of life on any Planet,, as in, humans can destroy a Planet with greater ability than a large asteroid can.
its happening everywhere here in Ohio insects are disappearing plants and trees all look like they're dying but most people just don't believe it
So sad. I was in North Queensland in 80s. Thank you for your reports.
on the surface we don't notice, but we notice. We notice and we are depressed about it.
Higher temperatures aren't going to kill us. We just need to learn how to eat dirt because that is all that we will have to eat.
Thank you for this discussion! I just vastly accelerated my plan to move to southern Portugal and leave all business bullshit behind me.
Rowing a boat to southern Portugal if you have to cross any seas I hope. Protect the Earth.
@@grindupBaker I think he's allowed a sail.
Go vegan. That is the only solution.
What he is saying is , No matter how many parties we have going on in each room, THE HOUSE IS ON FIRE...
This is one of the best interviews with Guy I have seen. Great job.
This Guy is My hero - I would have gladly follow him into the rainforest ;-)
Conservation biologist Michael Soule, in the 1970s, said that "large mammals" had "stopped evolving" due to "lack of habitat" - so it's not some crazy idea. It's well known in conservation biology as an academic discipline.
This professor quotes peer reviewed papers. He doesn’t make it up.
grindupBaker ha ha
He makes up the interpretation...into the totally wacko realm....
@@grindupBaker
You're what you accuse others of. Guy McPherson relates what is documented in peer reviewed scientific media as well as university studies he has access to. You, on the other hand, assert with no facts, links or evidence whatsoever. Do you really think we are all as ignorant _and thus as hopelessly stupid_ as your stance, which you don't actually voice other than a lame ad hominem attack.
grindupBaker CFM...🔥🌏🔥
Hey BH
No one's getting out alive
Thank you for this very interesting talk. People should be open-minded and learn something, no matter what they believe.
Thank you for very frank logical discussion. We have been homesteading for 7 years and never stop learning and adapting. The trick is to keep positive while not running away from the facts.If it comes soon it does. I believe there will be mass destruction of the human race and modern infrastructure but some people will survive. Good to keep learning all the skills in case that happens.
Good interview. Good guest as messenger, so much made aware of to look into. Good job!
Classy interview!!
1:13:58 “fear is a far greater motivator than hope is” kinda says it all....
Great info. Thanks!
I’m going to assume Greta Thunberg wasn’t available.
@@michalvalta5231
Now your insulting and disgusting. STFU.
😂😄😅🤣😂😄
54:39 "Self-care is important"
Yep, and that doesn't mean being selfish. But self-care doesn't make the corporations and despots loads of money, so it's not prioritised by those in charge, especially in the UK/US.
Shawn: “Well.... that’s a Happy thought” 😭
Make the meeting 2027 on April 1st. Just for laughs.
Avoiding the meat 🍖 topic at all costs and it’s role in the destruction of the planet 🌎
For 340 thousand of the last 350 thousand years humanity lived in harmony with nature as hunter gatherer it wasn’t until the advent of farming 10,000 years ago that the world fell apart. Destruction of forests and tilling of millions of acres of land to plant mono crops destroyed the environment for millions of animals and have driven them to extinction. Hunting is natural, planting is not.
Couldn't we produce the reflective aerosols for the purpose of reflecting sunlight?
i'm not saying he's wrong but that 2030 prediction hasn't aged well.
Methane in the Arctic.
"Hippasus" "It's not every day that a scientist has a new phenomenon named after them. ( The McPherson Paradox)...congrats!"
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"It's not every day that a scientist has a new phenomenon named after them". Yes Jim Hansen was stunned, to say the least, to find that his world-famous "Faustian Bargain" of 2-3 decades ago was now suddenly "The McPherson Paradox". It serves Jim right. If he's going to hide under a floppy hat and not copyright his science so he can sue the likes of the clown McPherson, then it serves Jim right.
grindupBaker I doubt that he (Jim Hansen) cares in the least!
Dammit! I wont get to see Marvel Phase 6!!!
So when do you think we will see the "Corona Viruses" version of the "911 twin tower" backlash on the aerosol masking effect??
@@grindupBaker sounds like you're having a Boo rattling moment.
Wait for it
Some good questions posed by Shawn, though I don’t think Guy adequately answered most of them.
Well, we only need to wait 6 years to see whether he’s right or not. He also talks as if he knows anything about the biom of the human gut. In truth we have only just begun to learn about the gut and the proper flora.
Before that you will be dead from the Wet Bulb Effect.
@@mypetcrow9873
Years before that. 2022?
ozone (holes?) are stable? Does that mean the ozone destroying pollutants are now stabilized? When will they drop??
Insects & birds here in Bainbridge Island, WA, USA are way way down. Even the ants. Government continues to spray pesticides & herbicides.
speaking of catastrophic . . . Chinese like (Sharks fin soup and ) Pangolin meat/scales so much that just by consuming theses animals they seem to have hastened the downward spiral . . . because COVID19 is said to have originated from unclean processing of bats , pangolin etc. the world's economy is grinding slower now leading to temperature spike. . . seems we can only hope for eruption of some big volcanoes to compensate for descending aerosols/particulates.
It was 30f yesterday and 50f today in Seattle. How do the trees survive?
lol
Take a look down by Medford,Or. Fir trees under 15 years old are dying by the ship load! In eugene you can see young fir trees dying. We have had 10 inches less rainfall in the last 5 years. Slugs are all but gone. Birds are noticeably fewer. So it looks like trees will not survive!
@@jamesbrefeld5209 How many chemical or industrial plants are in those areas?
@@stephenc4440 China is responsible for 60% of world industrial emissions I don't know the exact number.
Only about 8 billion short of total extinction.
Well said. :D
Thanks so much. Great interview.
It would seem we might be in for a test of Dr. McPhearson's theory. The economic slowdown resulting from the pandemic could very cause the temp spike he posits.
Well I doubt this message in the timescale discussed, but I see progress in sharp reverse, war and pestilence overtaking us, and massive death rates unimagined before within half a century at the furthest. Guy may be correct re our disappearance, but I suspect there is a little more time left. Not much though
Yeah, I figure, that is _here_ not islands, or a dozen places and people now being affected, we probably have a bit of time here. We'll be amongst the last perhaps.
But that Corona virus is kinda left field and could have some ramifications now. People not going to work, fear... You know, we don't actually need a physical event to cause apocalypse, we can self generate one you know.
Painfully wallered-out wagon rut.
its 2024 and i still think guys right the timing may be of but then again it mite not be but im glad for his work and god bless him, im a big fan of his work
I am trying to remember what his prediction date was?
More brilliant work from my co-host on Nature Bats Last on PRN.FM.
Guy mentioned Wet Bulb Temperatures. There is more details below;
kevinhester.live/2016/05/21/wet-bulb-temperature-soon-to-become-the-leading-cause-of-death/comment-page-1/#comment-273
OMG!! no one putting shit on Guy anymore in comments???
Climate change can also cause changes in the human microbiome, like the 2015 mass mortality event in saiga antelopes of Kazakhstan caused by their mutant Pasteurella multocida living in their tonsils, where sudden hot humidity of the otherwise semi desert changed their bacteria to killers causing haemorrhagic septicemia killing the individual aggressively, within 5-12 hours...
Will there be a hot spring in Wuhan?
Climate versus weather?
@Kiki Lula "Will there be a hot spring in Wuhan?" I don't know. Is it famous for the baths like Bath & Jellystone ?
bat soup special
The climate has been warming by 0.05 degrees Celsius per decade, this century. Ooh, scary.
Nice take on the huge 1997/98 El Nino fuckwit. You think Earth's climate knows how humans divide time into centuries based on their finger/thumb count. You are a fuckwit. You are a standard level 0 (bottom-of-toilet level) coal/oil shill-fuckwit as opposed to a high-quality one.
Respected Guy is it possible that human being may not be extincted completely, because some very rich people may try to make some safe houses on very high mountains where climate change may have very little impact and there they may spend few years before it becomes normacy???
Even the best "safe houses" are not habitat , so we are done , sorry .
I think I wouldn't be extincted completely, but I'd be completely worn out.
Enjoy the Coronavirus everyone! Disease, famine, lack of water, etc. Sound familiar?
Praise jeebus.
you never show any data. why is that?
Yea bro, I don’t know about all that.
I follow the research of a guy, Randal Carlson, who supports a strong theory that some previous mass extinctions were from meteor impacts and that past drastic climate changes were from that cause. Instant change, not gradual. Ie.Early hominids didn’t hunt the mammoth to extinction, ET asteroid impact and resulting catastrophe caused it, as well as losses of possible ancient civilizations.
“ it
62:26 is these ocean state changes that are
62:28 correlated with the great disasters of
62:30 the past impact can cause extinction but
62:35 it did so in our past only once that we
62:38 can tell whereas this has happened over
62:40 and over and over again we have
62:42 fifteen evidences times of mass
62:45 extinction in the past 500 million years
62:48 so the implications for the implications
62:51 the implications of the carbon dioxide
62:52 is really dangerous if you heat your
62:55 planet sufficiently to cause your Arctic
62:58 to melt if you cause the temperature
63:01 gradient between your tropics and your
63:03 Arctic to be reduced you risk going back
63:07 to a state that produces these hydrogen
63:11 sulfide pulses “
th-cam.com/video/Ako03Bjxv70/w-d-xo.html
@@Nhoj737 Show me how CO2 increases heat.
@@matchu4444 S.D..
so ... god says there is only one way for civilization to collapse, what else did god tell randal?
@@matchu4444 I described it here in a 3-part comment. You are a worthless fuckwit.
@ 42 mins: th-cam.com/video/6CXRaTnKDXA/w-d-xo.html
If I had a dollar for every time a climate nutcase predicted the end of the world.
@Donald McCarthy Another dollar for this moron... Yeah, you would be rich @Zaranthos. :D
@@michalvalta5231
You and three others are the only idiots here trolling.
Thanks again for the teachings...respectueuses salutations !
We’ll see.
At almost 50 years old I am done with all the Chicken Littles. Thank you for exploring interesting viewpoints. I do find our polluting of our habitat alarming, but we can all start by "clean up your own room Bucko!"
@Kio Revana
He listens to "Chicken Little's? I hear a warning so then I look into it, a thing called _due diligence._
I personally go to refereed peer reviewed science, and have actually never been fooled by any "Chicken Little".
It's sad that others agree with him. I imagine they are the same as he.
🔥🔥🔥🌏🔥🔥🔥
I never hear these kind of people address the pole shift. The pole shift seems worth mentioning when talking about climate change..
Hahahahahahanhaha rolling around on floor holding sides.
I also think the pole shift seems worth mentioning when talking about climate change. No wait, I'm getting confused, I meant I think that pole dancing videos should always be shown when talking about climate change. It engages the audience. Pole shift, pole dancing, I suppose these things are a matter of personal preference.
it can only get worse,the end is near and yes! this year 2020 is the end!.
We shall see🤞🏼
02/22/2022
Straight way question how much time Indians have before go extinct???
There are 1.3 billion Indians currently running amok on the earth
Probably 3 years
aaand I'm back!
Just in time before the world ended
@@yohannchandy9209 Yeah, because the "END IS NIGH", duh! :D
Hello again !!!
hello ! @@grindupBaker
I am sorry but this coco dude really pull doen seriousness of the podcast
I think if you looked up “ Debbie Downer” in the dictionary.. Guy’s face might just pop up.
A magic wand. My answer is balance.
Guy you keep mentioning the 1750 baseline, but what was the actual global average temperature in 1750 and what is it now.
I also see several references from other scientists about the importance of not exceeding 1.5 above baseline yet you’re saying we’ve already 2 degrees above baseline and will likely exceed 3 degrees by 2021.
There seem to be more than one baseline. Can you clear up the confusion using numbers and dates?
The anomaly is known far more accurately than actual global average temperature for technical reasons that I'm not getting into in a GoogleTubes comment but a person could study for a couple hundred hours if it interested them. Actual global average temperature now is ~14.7 degrees but that isn't really accurate to 0.1 degrees, probably not any better than +/- 0.5 degrees. The "negative impacts" list is based on individual temperature CHANGES of things (example, Fraser River salmon stock declines as river temperature rises & experiments indicate that +1.0 degrees is ~zero Fraser River salmon). Increase in global average temperature since 1735-1765 AD has been 1.32 +/-0.25 degrees so since it's ~14.7 degrees now it was ~13.4 degrees 1735-1765 AD but there's no purpose in a global average temperature other than assessing how much energy it should radiate to space. Internally, global average temperature is of no interest. The proxies measure past global average temperature RELATIVE TO the present global average temperature and then other scientists say "OK, it was 9 degrees higher global average temperature then than now and these flora & fauna were different and there was no ice and ......".
Mad professor?!?
He would have been better off sticking with pointing out that human population overshoot is killing the planet, putting a date of human extinction (2026) was a mistake, nobody knows when this shit show is coming down, but faster than previously expected and or thought might be in the mix, 🔥🔥🌏🔥🔥
MAD is one of the secret names of the Ancient of Days found in the 18 calls of Enoch,given to the great grandfather of Noah who survived the extinction flood by Gabrielle the spirit of the great star in Pisces Austrinus of ancient Persian astrology literature
He is in fact,a messenger of God
2027 is gonna be a good year can't wait
I love the HPO. But this nut did not make as much sense as Dr Mitloehner. It seems he fantasizes a lot of things and poses them as science. IDK, He is the expert after all, but my BS radar was spiking so high.
Who are you? I have never heard of you. Where did you get your PhD(s) and what are they in? Please share your published peer review papers in all topics relative to climate collapse as well as the books you have published on the same. “It seems...”. Gawd, what a towering intellect you have! You know nothing and your denial will not save you.
“Consider how small you are. Compared to your scream the Human dream doesn’t mean shit to a tree.”
The Jefferson Starship/Blows Against the Empire
@@mypetcrow9873 So Angry are we? You have too much sugar. So having more letters after your name will make you the most knowledgeable will it? And arguing to someone over youtube comments is a means to show how superior you are? :D Get stuffed! Do us all a favour and Eat some real Food start with Steak and calm the feck down. :D
@elguwapo
Absolutely correct. Guy McPherson clown-charlatan's WG1 climate science physical science is abominable drivel that's nothing like the actual WG1 climate science of the actual WG1 climate scientists. McPherson is essentially tying down the thousands (or is it tens of thousands ?) of hard-working, careful, studious WG1 climate scientists and spitting, pissing & shitting on them, treating WG1 climate science as if it were a worthless not-a-real-science joke science so any old ignorant fuckwit and charlatan such as McPherson can just make up their competing drivel based on zero real science, and then this godawful host bugger has the chutzpah to claim that there's some legitimate debate between McPherson clown-charlatan & the actual hard-working, careful, studious WG1 climate scientists. The host is a sickening piece of shit with zero interest in the topic and interest only in his own financial interest by his infotainment presentations. All these persons, and most of the worthless fucking nothing-to-inform-but-type-some-crap-anyway commenters down here absolutely sicken me and have for the last 7 years since I first started "debating" the coal/oil shill-fuckwits (before I stopped bothering with that waste of time). Sickening bastards all of them.
@@elguwapo
That's a crappy rebuttal that skips over the issue. All you have really.
Rather than attack/ address him, how about something viable. Oh yeah, you got squat. Unless your counting hubris (thinking you're correct rather than look into it), ignorant assertions (same) and cognitive dissonance (ad hominium, avoiding the issue, side tracking and crappola like "angry are you" So lame and disingenuous).
@@kilbridemeredith8742 I had no intention to post a rebuttal. I simply stated an opinion, I hope you know the difference. I listened to what he had to say as carefully as I could. But it felt that even Dr Baker and Mr Bitter were being very kind and careful with the words they chose in regards to this persons expert opinions, after all it is his field.
Excellent Podcast 🙂👍 #Yes2Meat. #MeatHeals. #EatMeatSaveThePlanet. 🌎🐄🦀🐑🦐🦌🍤🦆🦞🥩🥚🐟🦴🧀 😋😋😋 .
Tomas Edison wanted ur power plant in the backyard. Fill up, water, .3BR engine keep you alive. Light is the resource needed, the substance to sustain yourself. We need controllable le light to survive.
But can we "naturally " live in a wide range of climate? If we lived naked, no matter who, we all would be living in the tropics.
Jerry R it’s the ability to grow food that’s the problem
So, what do I do?
If when Van Gogh's dead body was found and his few remaining things were being collected there were some used paint brushes, probably sent to him from his brother, these brushes would be of little value. The painter gives value to the brush, the paint, the canvas. This body's life is but a tool of the painter, painting on this grand canvas we call a universe. That which is is not finite. This universe is a finite thing. A canvas. Be the painter not the paint.
Please have Alex Epstein on to discuss climate and give another side. Check out his Google Talk
Why do you want to listen to Alex Epstein again?
The absolute irony of you promoting meat in this video is beyond hilarious.
The sun goes nova every 12068 years. This guy dont hVe a clue
That's a very noval idea
Enjoyed this informative episode with Guy McPherson but, Animals are not "products". I hope you will get a different sponsor next time so I can give you a thumbs up.
I don´t think anyone care were you put your thumbs
@@hansasperger9305
Hey, shit for brains. There is a little icon... Am I going too fast for you troll?... That one can "thumb up or down". Got it? Idiot.
And it wouldn't be there if no one cared either. Double idiot. LoL.
59:17 the only true statement he said the entire time.
And yet he asserts a timeline with such (unjustified IMO) confidence. This guy is an Ancel Keys-type character.
Shawn and Zach: get Tony Heller on here to refute.
Freestyle .. lost and ya don’t even know it. You’ll see.
Adam, your suffering from confirmation bias and terminal complacency so you cannot possibly be a carnivore.
John Thom I don’t understand what *_you’re_* getting at. Can you elaborate?
@@wadeinn463 Chicken Little speaks!
Saving the Earth is straight forward. Figure out how to block solar radiation worldwide through atmospheric reflective technologies of the kind advocated by the Arctic Methane Emergency Group, and the physical implementation of the well understood concept of nuclear fusion in functioning tokamaks, again extremely feasible given the sheer size of human civilization. We are thinking beings, discoverers of the unknown. If there is not currently a known way to reverse or mitigate the effects of climate change, there is most definitely a way in principle. Which makes it discoverable. Are we really saying humanity cannot figure out how to influence its environment sufficiently for geological changes to occur? Even though thats exactly what we've done with our human carbon emissions? If we can change the climate, we can direct the climate. If we die, it will be a choice.
As a medium I asked the spirit world about this situation. They said there will be a delay in our plans. In philosophy all new beginnings at first look like endings. In a spiritual life we are always at the beginning. Guy is very amusing.
Doomsday amuses me, but in fact it is tragic to die of hunger and thirst
Dying is ok. Living and dying are sides of the same coin. It's time to die. Be at peace.
Well thanks for nothing. I was just starting to feel more chipper after various aches going away and now this. I wish I'd watched a movie instead now.
Wish you could do the same interview with a really knowledgeable person Dr Patrick Moore
Hence the Georgia guidestones. They may be right.
This guy is nonsense about the CO2. Reproduce it in a lab. Oh wait you can't? He's correct about the other stuff though.
@Ecotopian Emissary Link please.
@Ecotopian Emissaryprincipia-scientific.org/global-warming-alarm-is-built-on-200-year-old-discredited-science/
@@matchu4444
A denier non peer reviewed link. Ties with Heartland, which is slowly changing their stance. Get real.
Fkn hell humans are stupid, WASF
@@kilbridemeredith8742 Sounds like you're the troll
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Like WWII storing carbon is a manufacturing rate. Sun shade the earth, launch all rockets. Advanced energy technology, compared to the current, new is needed.
Trees are not surviving due to the micronized metals being sprayed into the atmosphere that are clogging up their root systems. These metals are also killing the soil microbes that help plants take up water and nutrients.
@counselthyself
Correct. Unproven unsubstantiated assertions should be and to the critical thinker, to be dismissed out of hand.
I listen in bed.
What the hell are you guys doing? This guy should be straight jacketed and munching on thorazine.
Eating carnivore would remove all these doomsday thoughts
Get real. Do some due diligence rather than dismiss out of hand. Your not as clever or amusing as you think you are BTW. Just another heads up.
Four years later. Still clueless?
??????????
In the climate change movement, people are usually classed as being either “doom and gloom” or “tech fix.” This one is obviously the former. I think that, on the whole, we just don’t have the knowledge to make any predictions in the field of climate change. People interpret it pessimistically to optimistically, as they are inclined, then cherry pick the data that supports them.
But as for the thesis itself, that is, that all human life will end some day, I’ve never had a problem with that. As you become an adult, if you have managed to accumulate any wisdom at all, you understand that all things pass and come to terms with your own impending death. The death of the whole human species is just an extension of that.
Let's try to keep in mind the dietary papers are all peer reviewed, and they suck! The coming problem is the next glacial expansion period which will reduce arable land and probably food supply. Feeding 8 billion people takes a lot of food, so climate may fix human overpopulation but it will take some time. It will come from the cooling trend, not a degree or two of warming, and either way, won't happen in my lifetime or even my grandchildren's lifetime. It should be pointed out that Arctic ice is within the historic norms and there is no indication that will change.
I have no idea why he thinks trees can't handle a single degree of temperature change! Where I live a degree is far less than the weekly noise. Our temperatures often fluctuate 20°C during a week. Further, trees have been with us since temperatures on earth were 7 or 8°C higher than today. I think he's working on a problem that doesn't exist. Carbon dioxide is the most important gas and removing carbon dioxide for sequestration is foolish.
He doesn't seem to understand Australia's fires are not the most severe of the last 100 years! Half an hour of this alarmist quack is enough to waste!
How many denialist bloggers do you follow? Let me guess, probably Heller and Crowder and of course drumpf (Chinese conspiracy also weaponized coronavirus). Drumpf is a fucking idiot and Heller and Crowder follow closely behind. The science is there for those willing to crawl out of their echo chamber and suspend ideology.
@@charleslindsey6789, I'm aware of Tony Heller, I agree with him. I'm not sure who Crowder is. I'm also aware of Patrick Moore and agree with him as well. I believe Tony Heller and Patrick Moor could find common ground. I made up my mind about the climate alarmism way back in the 1980's, before I knew who Tony Heller and Patrick Moore were. I can't say I'm a fan of Trump beyond his attitude to the Paris Accord, which I think is the correct attitude. I'm not an American so I don't vote for anyone, my sympathies are with the American people because both parties appear completely messed up. So, interesting times!
You really shouldn't use the word "denialist" because it indicates you are part of the Alarmist religion and are not smart enough to form an opinion for yourself. This link contains most of the data you need to form an opinion, it clearly shows present levels of atmospheric CO2 are extremely low and that temperature is completely independent of CO2. Without correlation there can be no causation. www.biocab.org/Geological_Timescale.jpg It's an ugly fact that gets in the way of the hypothesis that CO2 causes global warming. Clearly anyone claiming to be part of the scientific consensus is either not a scientist or simply wrong. And, if you prefer to appeal to authority, Tony Heller is an engineer and Patrick Moore has a doctorate in science and was one of the very early members of Greenpeace.
The other piece of information that is useful is that the Alarmists claim CO2 sits in the atmosphere like a blanket, holding in heat, but the Connollys, who also hold PhD's in science, have studied all the data from weather balloons and determined measurements taken where this heat is supposed to be do not indicate the heat is present -- in other words, there is no greenhouse effect caused by CO2 or anything else, it is a figment of some Alarmist's imagination. Another ugly fact that ruins the hypothesis.
@@grindupBaker, you are rude, ill informed and quite conflicted! There is no evidence that CO2 or CH4 causes a greenhouse effect and there is no evidence CO2 affects temperature. If you want more detail see my previous post to Charles Lindsey, above.
Obviously you are not in agreement with the IPCC and the rest of those who claim the glaciers are retreating and the Arctic sea ice is shrinking, if you believe "The next glacial expansion period started 7,000 years ago ..."! I think "glacial expansion period" is a satisfactory phrase to describe what is coming. We have been in the current ice age for the last 1.6 million years, give or take, so your "(colloquial "ice ages")" isn't an accurate description of advancing glaciers; and, whether glaciers are presently advancing or retreating, they have not progressed far enough to cause us problems.
I can't imagine why you have so much animosity toward coal and oil. Coal and oil are responsible for most of the creature comforts you enjoy. Without them you would be living in a cave somewhere trying to scratch out a living from fairly barren ground. You are welcome to continue ranting but should be aware you are showing your ignorance.
Your ignorance is fucking stunning! No wonder we're fucked.
Again wrong
You need to balance this guy's pessimistic view with that of Patric Moore. This guy is not even an atmospheric scientist and claims that without 20% of the aerosols spewed into the atmosphere a spike of 1 deg C would occur. How can he even postulate that without an actual understanding of atmospheric science! He doesn't even understand that he is projecting the global mean temperature as if that is how the planet actually works. Good question by Dr. Baker at 1:05:46 which addresses this.
Zach, no one is saying its a myth. The planet has warmed yes by how much? That is one point of debate. Is that due to man's activity? No one knows, another point of debate, Is it harmful, probably not, that is another point of debate. How the heck did you guys stumble into this ecologist?
Again, this guy doesn't even understand how CO2 works and its limits.
Patric Moore - Ecologist
Richard Lindzen - Atmospheric Physicist
William Happer - Physicist
These are the people you should interview. Include Alex Epstein who WILL give you the big picture and author of the Moral Case for fossil fuels.
Australia was left without controlled fires and made illegal by environmentalists. Aborigines used to do it until it was outlawed.
Methane doesn't stay in the atmosphere long. The moment it is exposed to oxygen the atoms come apart from O2 and CH4 into CO2 and water. This guy is a fearmonger.
Here is the latest view of arctic ice. See how close it is to the median extent from 1981 to 2010.
Shawn Baker there is nothing to be done. CO2 is NOT the main driver of the climate period. The earth has powerful cycles that cannot be easily changed by 400 ppm of gas that logarithmically can't trap heat the more the gas is available in the atmosphere.
Oh and he says at 58:18 we know almost nothing about planet earth YET he is CERTAIN that we are headed for extinction BY 2030. Is he even listening to himself?
Zack, there was a time there was no ice on either pole.
GUY, YOU SHOULD STOP.
This guy's predictions will be added to this list.
cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions
I guess he didn’t read the news that the Australian bush fires were set by arsonists.
"Voidisyinyang Voidisyinyang" typed "@grindupBaker maybe he just does math differently than you do. I already posted the math of the studies he cites - and his math is accurate".
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@Voidisyinyang Voidisyinyang No it isn't the simple aspect of math. It's that you haven't read & understood those papers, and neither has Mcpherson. The reality is precisely as I stated it in my comment within the usual uncertainties of the papers. As far as your opinion goes, your opinion is based on nothing at all because you have no understanding of the topic (and likely no interest) so you must rely on whatever Mcpherson's ludicrous mis-interpretations are. That's the common situation everywhere so your having zero comprehension is normal.
Sir, with the greatest respect to you, I believe you've gotten bogged down as an uninitiated member of the public I respectfully believe your wrong. sorry sir
Omg..... hair on fire conspiracy bs...
Why would you even entertain this type of nonsense
Yeah, it's really sad - giving these wackos platform to spread bullshit... How many extinction predictions did we have already? How many times were we supposed to be flooded by the oceans because of the melting polar ice? Al Gore promised all the ice will be gone by 2014... Meanwhile, the ice doesn't give a shit and keeps thickening... :D Crazy people with "END IS NIGH" signs are nothing new. They just went more mainstream. But they generally know it's a scam - why else would Al Gore buy a Malibu beach house if he REALLY believed the propaganda he spreads? That house should have been flooded already. He KNOWS he spreads lies.
Guy Mcpherson's statement on his Web Log site which is (a direct quote) "The impact of the aerosol masking effect has been greatly underestimated, as pointed out in an 8 February 2019 article in Science. As indicated by the lead author of this paper on 25 January 2019: “Global efforts to improve air quality by developing cleaner fuels and burning less coal could end up harming our planet by reducing the number of aerosols in the atmosphere, and by doing so, diminishing aerosols’ cooling ability to offset global warming.” The cooling effect is “nearly twice what scientists previously thought.” That this February 2019 paper cites the conclusion by Levy et al. (2013) indicating as little as 35% reduction in industrial activity drives a 1 C global-average rise in temperature suggests that as little as a 20% reduction in industrial activity is sufficient to warm the planet 1 C within a few days or weeks" is a super-massive lie by way of super-massive exaggeration. My initial cursory review of scientific papers "The roles of aerosol direct and indirect effects in past and future climate change" (May 20, 2013) of Hiram Levy Larry W. Horowitz,M. Daniel Schwarzkopf, Yi Ming, Jean-Christophe Golaz,Vaishali Naik and V. Ramaswamy and "Analysis of polarimetric satellite measurements suggests stronger cooling due to aerosol-cloud interactions" (February 8, 2019) of Otto P. Hasekamp, Edward Gryspeerdt and Johannes Quaas, additional to the well-known "surface climate response" indicates a minimum of FOUR LARGE ERRORS in Mcpherson's drivel that he speaks in the video (I give exact quotes and times):
Guy McPherson at 16:27 "as little as 20%"
Guy McPherson at 16:33 "temperature spike of 1 degree Celsius" (McPherson means for his "as little as 20%")
Guy McPherson at 16:40 "I'm talking about days or weeks".
I'll be studying the topic enough to put ranges best-to-worst on this as and when I find spare time. I intend to do my best to not let the clown-charlatan Guy McPherson get away with the appalling filth of the three direct quotes I just listed because this is precisely as bad as the coal/oil shills' filth. Those 3 HUGE MASSIVE lies just preceding make McPherson as bad as the coal/oil shills when intentionally misinforming / disinforming his audience of low-brain-functionality low-education sycophantic acolytes on WG1 climate science for the purpose of promoting his Brand and whatever it is that he gets out of that. It's quite sickening. I've no idea how good his ecology/forestry stuff is because I don't study that and I don't babble about the important stuff. I can only go by McPherson's lazy lying MASSIVE mis-statements regarding important WG1 climate science and infer then that his ecology/forestry stuff is probably just as lousy. Perhaps McPherson should stick with promulgating whatever the fuck it is that he's actually bothered to study rather than lying to an uneducated audience about stuff that he clearly knows sweet fuck all about. For now, until I've put the numbers together in easy, easily-referenced form for the few persons who actually care at all about reality I just note that McPherson is definitely going to end up between 2.4x and 4.8x exaggeration of the reality as described by scientific papers for the total warming effect of reduction of industrial pollution with his "as little as 20%" and "temperature spike of 1 degree Celsius", and also his "I'm talking about days or weeks" is ~160x as bad as (~160x quicker than) the well enough known (within +/-15%) actual value for the global warming time line. That's why "lying" is the only correct word. If he'd been off by as much as 50% exaggeration then "exaggerating" or "cherry picking" would describe it but with his exaggerations being in the large ranges I just gave "filthy lying" is the only accurate description of what Mcpherson did.
Sorry guys, veganism is the only solution. As serious as McPherson claims to be, he and the host here are utter fools for for thinking otherwise. Poor McPherson. He has a chip on his shoulder because of being kicked out of his little intellectual circle.
Unfortunately, he loses credibility because of that. He may have gone 'rogue' in terms of his studied buddies but he is just as much in ego as they are, only for different reasons. Unfortunately, that clouds his judgement. Can you hear how super excited he is to be working with his Harvard 'friends?' All he was ever looking for was acceptance into his fraternity brotherhood.
We don't have much time left on this planet. It is less than 10 years. Don't look to science, including McPherson, for the solution. Science is actually the problem.
It's too late. We're cooked. Guaranteed.
In the climate change movement, people are usually classed as being either “doom and gloom” or “tech fix.” This one is obviously the former. I think that, on the whole, we just don’t have the knowledge to make any predictions in the field of climate change. People interpret it pessimistically to optimistically, as they are inclined, then cherry pick the data that supports them.
But as for the thesis itself, that is, that all human life will end some day, I’ve never had a problem with that. As you become an adult, if you have managed to accumulate any wisdom at all, you understand that all things pass and come to terms with your own impending death. The death of the whole human species is just an extension of that.
In the climate change movement, people are usually classed as being either “doom and gloom” or “tech fix.” This one is obviously the former. I think that, on the whole, we just don’t have the knowledge to make any predictions in the field of climate change. People interpret it pessimistically to optimistically, as they are inclined, then cherry pick the data that supports them.
But as for the thesis itself, that is, that all human life will end some day, I’ve never had a problem with that. As you become an adult, if you have managed to accumulate any wisdom at all, you understand that all things pass and come to terms with your own impending death. The death of the whole human species is just an extension of that.