I am so glad that you produced this video. As with many others, I only became aware of our inevitable climate catastrophe because of Guy's work. I had the good luck to be able to see him speak live in Nevada City California, twice. Actually shook his hand, and he was very humble. It was so sad to see him de-platformed, as it were, so violently and crudely. As an electronics engineer, and somewhat educated in the technological sciences, I realize that technology will not save us. Neither will fascism, which it seems like we in the USA are headed towards at full speed.
Our courses are aligned. You could have been describing my introduction to NTHE too, almost verbatim, right down to being trained in electronics and later, studying other sciences - in my case environmental science and later still Earth and Ocean science. Though my concern and interest in all matters environmental started when I left the nuclear submarine service in 1981... And subsequently campaigned as a crew member (communications) in a well known maritime NGO. . But it was Guy who was the first 'Locutus' for the science collective, within the IPCC era. Showing us disciples [interlocutors] the way to disseminate the truth, the very uncomfortable truth to the non-science comprehending masses, where only those with Stage 5 Awakening are ideally qualified. . Remember, the Earth's biosphere [Gaia] is interconnected at all levels. As such, one should be mindful that the Earth is one giant organism and one should view the biosphere, within an holistic framework; physics, chemistry, biology, Earth & Ocean sciences, ecology, geology, paleontology, glacialogy, climatology, evolutionary biology, cybernetics and to be extra- thorough, an understanding of astronomy, geodectics, fluid dynamics can only help to broaden one's understanding within an holisitc framework. The importance is not the scientific minutae, that would be lost on any non-science ears, more the abililty to summerise and above all join-the-dots... Which, once one gets into the swing of it, becomes an enthralling, yet harrowing epistemological journey of discovery. The discovery that our species could quite possibly be the first to have evolved that begin to grasp the 'nature of the universe', yet in its truncated temporal existence, has caused the very circumstances for the demise of all species, life, on this pale-blue dot... . Thus, regarding the total annihilation of .... well arguably evolution itself, certainly in this stella suburb... The release of ionising radionuclides into the biosphere would have several vectors of impact; localised would be ground and surface contamination; aquefers and surface winds being primary transport vectors; and release into the atmosphere, where the real concern exists. With the interraction of atmospheric raidonuclide aerosols, comes the total dispersion of the ozone region resulting in the Earth's surface being bathed in lethal UV-A&B insolation. It is unlikely anthing organic would survive, including within the soils, which are already dying anyway. Deep in underground caverns possibly... . I too have argued with Guy on whether anything would survive the culmination of the current mass extinction, taking all into account. The most obvious talking point being extremophiles such as; tardigrades. Though I argued for the extremophile deep ocean vent colonies - who exist in a somewhat insular and localised chemotrophic system, well within the aphotic region of the oceans, so unlikely to be affected by UV radiation, or even radionuclide dispersion in the water column - but that might depend on many physical-oceanographic dymamics and time, not forgetting that even in these extreme environments, life on Earth is interconnected. Some have even speculated, that these oases of chemotrophic systems, might have well have kick-started life on Earth. . Apparently - *Deinococcus Radiodurans* is a common yet pretty indestructable organism - that's why micorbiologists call this polyextremophile - 'Conan the Bacterium' .... The most robust yet benign organism extant on Earth. It might be able to withstand extreme doses [ >5k grays] of ionizing radiation, dessication, UV radiation, oxidising and electrophillic agents, even the extreme vacuum of space, yet it has one Achillies-heel... Like everything else, it needs to convert energy to survive - eat. Thus, it lives on organic matter... Which would be in very short supply, if the planet's surface was irradiated and bathed in UV-A&B radiation. However, Conan may well end-up being the final surviving organism on this beleaguered Earth. The meek would truly have inherited the Earth... ;-) . At some point in the future, If a visiting alien xenoarcheologist, on an 'away mission' and had accessed human data/records, where the human colloquialism - ''The Great Dying '' [re: Permian-Triassic extinction event - 252My bce] was describing the third and largest mass extinction on Earth, whereby 96% of the Earth's biota were extirpated and yet was now viewing the aftermath of the 6/7/8th mass extinction event - with 100% extirpation of the planet's biomass and that as an alien, I could empathically share the same sense of irony... I would dub this ME - . ''The Great Format...'' 👽⌛💀
Yes, the only thing that could have saved us. Was for Bernie Sanders to have run for president, decades ago & WON ( aka, Not have been cheated by the DNC and one Hillary "War Hawk" Clinton. With Barack Obama and Joe Biden, getting assists. )
@@Deebz270 I've been mentioning GAIA ( GAIA Always wins in the end ) since first seeing the UK Mini Series, Edge of Darkness - 1985 with Bob Peck & Joe Don Baker. Great detective series, but is also a lot about what both Guy and Mr. Dowd here also mentioned. Nuclear Energy and the UK covering up it had an undercover Nuclear Power Plant under ground. Pecks daughter was part of a GAIA group, who broke into said power plant, trying to get proof they were lying about it. and the operators killed them all, including Pecks daughter. RIGHT IN HIS FACE. So now, of course, Peck had the biggest, most important cases of his life to solve. With a big hand from Mr. Baker of the USA! Joe Dons best role EVER by far. THEY broke into said power plant, and got the evidence needed to prove, his daughter and the GAIA group she was with, were right. If you've never seen this mini series, its a MUST SEE TV event. The sound track was done by Mr. Eric Clapton as well.
@@troyturton8197 I appreciate (and mostly align with) your heart on this, Troy, but the inevitability and unstoppability of biospheric and civilizational collapse go way, Way, WAY further back than any political party or politician. If you're curious to learn more, I recommend ANY of the videos at the top of this page: postdoom.com/resources/
what lovely podcast. I admire Guy McPherson greatly and fear that some of his detractors make more money selling 2050 goals for 'renewables'. I have written to Guy: "You are the lighthouse, not the rocks" ; subsequently he should brush off the people who are unable to see the evidence he so bravely presents. I hope he will be open to a discussion with you at some point.
some of the evidence he's presented has confused people. For example math professor Eliot Jacobson says he's debunked GEE's claim that we already passed 2 degree celsius but GEE is quoting Andrew Glikson. If you read Glikson his 2 degree celsius claim is based on including the Aerosol Masking Effect as a global warming equivalent. So unless someone is willing to figure that out on their own then they're going to get it wrong. Also GEE had some confusion on the Aerosol Masking Effect science but overall he was still accurate - it was just because a certain quote in the paper he was referencing was a misleading quote. You had to really study the paper to figure out the percentage range in the quote was based on two different kinds of aerosols.
As a millennial, I was always lectured by people (mostly much older than me) around me that it is my generation’s “responsibility” to somehow fix the climate, and the reason we can’t do it is because “my generation is too spoiled or too lazy”… I was always told that trading natural environment for technological progress is “good” and it is something “I should be grateful to.” My generation and those younger than us were born into this predicament. We had no choice. As a subscriber of your and McPherson’s channels, I found your messages healing and even liberating😊 thank you!
Thank YOU, Lacus, for this comment! Your generation is no more responsible than the previous 200 generations. You were born into an ecocidal train headed for self-destruction. You just happen to be lucky and blessed enough to know this and be alive now, at the glorious end. Celebrate it! The Grim Reaper will come for you and your loved ones soon enough. Now's the time to celebrate the gift of being alive and conscious!!
Excellent and Thank You for addressing this issue. I hope your words provide some healing for the pain Guy is suffering. I agree with all that you have to say in this video.
Than you for producing this great video in which you not only set the record straight about Guy’s work but but display remarkable kindness for soemone who displays symptoms of persecution.
I learned so much from Nature Bats Last podcasts, and Guy McPherson, who first influenced and enlightened me on climate/ecology/inevitable collapse. Concise. Not into making a lot of money from his talks...
I was first introduced to NTHE by watching McPherson material years ago and had to go through the stages of grief. Then I discovered you and Jenkinson, which helped me so much even when my mother recently passed. I was so grateful for the wonderful times I had with her. More recently I have begun to lose interest in finding reasons for our collapsing society and ecosystems, but being grateful for what it still provides .....I and my wife live on a small organic off grid farm in the finger lakes NY and find beauty here every day.....Namaste Mr. Dowd and thank you
Thank you, Basil! If you've not already seen it, I highly recommend my Post-doom conversation with Karen Perry: "15 BENEFITS of Collapse Acceptance" (note the TH-cam description box, as well): th-cam.com/video/mhKbOtZM01c/w-d-xo.html
I was moved to tears at the strength of your phrase "... they deserve my compassion, not my derision." The whole video was great, but that phrase really cut deep and reflects your nature brilliantly. It's too common and seductive to give glib and knee-jerk reactions to discomfort, apprehension, and a host of negative feelings. Scrolling social media, it's easy to deride others for their hopium-induced fanaticism and occasional cruel behavior. But like you say, anyone who gives over to those impulses deserves compassion, not derision. I think that line summarizes what you later say about love as an active noun. I want to thank you for being a light. Not just in the prophecy and truth telling, but by demonstrating honesty, forgiveness, compassion, and intentional speech in relationships even when it's not comfortable. It's very rare to see someone be so forthright with radical compassion like you are in these videos. Thank you as always for your work in this regard. I consider you a role model and will use that phrase as a guidepost.
Thank you for this kind, generous, and heartful comment, Lake! I was moved by your words as I just read this comment aloud to my beloved bride, Connie, as we sit on our porch in the early morning of another soon-to-be scorching summer day here in Ypsilanti, Michigan. Bless you!!
@@thegreatstory my wife and I like to vacation in Saugatuck Michigan in September, we would love to buy you dinner sometime! Your videos and commentaries on the coming ecological collapse are the best! ☺️🙏
Well said, Michael.I for one like Guy and value all he does. I woke up because of Guys' work, and have never been more content because I know the truth, you won't get that for any politician.
Thank you for this presentation it was honest and heart warming . It is the first time I've ever read all the comments most of them were thoughtful and appreciative and Pauline deserves much credit for her contribution thank you both.
Indeed! Mythically and quite playfully, I consider Pauline (she'll surely reach for the barf bucket if she reads this): "the Mother Mary of Abrupt Climate Collapse and NTHE". :-)
I am glad YT fed me this wonderful compendium from you, even 6 months late, as an appreciative subscriber to your work. Guy was my wake-up alarm in 2012, and I have been adjusting to a life without hopium since then. I would say you dipped below your excellent levels of fairness in "diverging" with Guy on "love" and "relation". (25:45) If you had felt how deeply he is in near-constant pain by what he is revealing to us, you would realize that it could only come from the deepest Love, and the feeling of Relation to us all. I believe he has hit bottom and come back so many times, his love of living together in Truth can be the only explanation. I think his approach to Compassion ("feeling with", "empathy") is challenging (and awakening) your own sense of Compassion, and he has stood alone in that, years ahead, waiting for the rest of us to catch up. At moments, it flashes upon me just how lonely and painful he must feel. To honor a prophet is indeed the correct thing, and yes, I share your love for him.
I am glad that you & Guy & Pauline are in communication. You are all people that we care about, and with whom we expect (or "hope") to share these final times. Guy is a conservation biologist and he extrapolates into climate science. He is probably the most useful integrator of these topics. As Pauline said, "he wears his heart on his sleeve" and we feel that with him. I would have nitpicked some of his conclusions on timing or effects of aerosols, Arctic melt, nuclear plants, and NTHE (I'd go for a Bell Curve die-off rather than a "lights out"), but that still would not reduce his overall contribution below, IMO, 120% correct. When he went on the lecture circuit, his voice represented my own. But I did not stick my neck out as he bravely did. The NBL community was essential for many of us while he kept it going. It launched me into some of my own major preparations. He arrived at his life-affirming conclusions ("only love remains") early on and has held to them firmly as the only valid philosophy we can take from all this "Chronicle of a Doom Foretold."
"A word is dead when it is said, some say. I say it just begins to live that day." -- Emily D. You and I both live in a world of words, as evidenced in this video. Concepts, citations, quotes. Wonderful words. Intellectuals over-intellectualizing. The "life of the Mind", a wonderful, academic life. So secure in our Ivy-hood. (Or Little Ivy) And yes, we love to read, and re-read, our own stuff. ("Did I get it right? Did I get it all out?" Edit, and edit again.) The intellectual world of words is a phase we need to go through, and as Emily implies, let it be the doorway to a greater Compassion for all beings. The shaman uses words, yes, but it is not the words which reach the spirit world. It is the heart that is speaking those words. I will never be the next Jim Morrison of the music world, but I can recognize when someone has brought that shamanic reach for spirit into our lives. Might this be what Guy has done with his life, going beyond all "safety or surprise" to take us lovingly toward The End?
Maybe relevant or not to this discussion, but one strong impression I carry of our possible final days comes from John Steinbeck, and the Joads' final scenes in the Grapes of Wrath. The water is rising in their boxcar shelter, they move to a barn, the baby is stillborn and people around them are starving. The story ends, but does not end. We are still deeply immersed in the lives of these people. This is the kind of deep immersion, despite all sadness, that Guy (and Pauline) wishes us to have. It is the appropriate respect for all that humans before us have suffered, silent and forgotten, and we now may be about to join them. “A large drop of sun lingered on the horizon and then dripped over and was gone, and the sky was brilliant over the spot where it had gone, and a torn cloud, like a bloody rag, hung over the spot of its going. And dusk crept over the sky from the eastern horizon, and darkness crept over the land from the east.” "''She looked up and across the barn, and her lips came together and smiled mysteriously." So much of our mental perambulation is our weak effort to deny we could be ending up like this.
Thank you for this wonderfully insightful, kindhearted and truly "fair" video. It was Guy who woke this nobody up to the coming catastrophe and I knew he spoke truth despite all the naysayers. Yes, his attitude could sometimes use improvement - but who IS perfect? - and look at the vitriol he has endured. You've done him a great service here. Sincerely.
I Luv the guy. He's been out there on the leading ragged edge for a very, very long time. Has sounded to me for a while now that his commitment to telling this truth has cost him a fair amount. My respect for him allows for much more forgiveness of faltering and stumbles than just a little bit of paranoia and self centeredness.
Yes, Guy is to Climate Change, what Michael Ruppert was to the subjects he covered and UNCOVERED for us. And Guy loved and Respected Michael Ruppert. Guy will probably end up, just as Ruppert did. Maybe Pauline, will make sure that doesn't happen.
Watching this while temperatures soar to 40 C (104 F) in parts of the UK. Politicians: …everything will be fine, we will pull a solution out of our a$$e$!
Yes, insanity and corruption rule the day, it seems. But, as I often say to my beloved bride, Connie, "Don't worry dear; it will all be over soon." :-)
I hope Guy watches this video. I don't know why he included u on the list of folks he believes defamed him but I think this video clearly demonstrates u don't belong on that list. I have followed Guy's work for around 15 years. I think Guy is sincere and there's no doubt he sacrificed a lot (a dream job as a full professor at a major university, his family, friends, home and status) in telling the truth as best he understood it. My only issue with Guy is that he has made hard predictions with accompanying dates that have not yet come to pass-thereby undermining his credibility. Around 2009 during the financial crisis Guy predicted that industrial civilization would collapse by 2012 due to energy shortages. Then he spent the next 6 years citing a projection by Dr. Maslowski published in 2013 that the arctic would be ice free by 2016 plus or minus 3 years. Guy hammered away incessantly with this projection as signaling the death knell for human civilization. Finally in 2019 Guy interviewed Dr. Maslowski who conceded that his projection was erroneous. At that point Maslowski was hesitant to project a future date for an ice free arctic other than speculating it was inevitable (which it probably is). The point however is that Guy looked a little foolish given his harping on the 2019 ice free deadline for so many years. This is the problem with hard predictions. When they don't come true within the specified time frame it tends to undermine one's entire argument. Even worse, it tends to obscure the basic truth that the arctic will most likely become ice free in the near future. Nonetheless Guy keeps repeating the same mistake. Over the last few years Guy has boldly predicted that humans will become extinct by 2026 due to climate change (and due in particular to the loss of food growing regions as a result of said climate change). That leaves only 4 years for this apocalypse to occur. And suppose civilization is still here in 2027? Guy will again be mocked for reckless predictions that didn't come true-further eroding his credibility and further obscuring the fact that humanity may actually be at risk of near term industrial collapse if not outright extinction. Like u I applaud Guy's courage and dedication. Guy sacrificed nearly everything to tell us what was really going on. And I think in the big picture he is correct. I just wish he would refrain from massive, specific Nostradamus like predictions that are ultimately speculative and beyond date specific accuracy. In closing I applaud you for posting this video and giving Guy the recognition and respect he deserves.
@counselthyself I think u are absolutely correct about the danger of nuclear war. I don't think most people understand how dangerous the war in Ukraine is. If the U S. And NATO continue to send heavy weapons to Ukraine that kill lots of Russians, Putin may resort to tactical battlefield nukes. And if that happens God only knows where it goes from there. Shit could escalate very quickly and spiral out of control. But remember, Guy's prediction of near term human extinction is NOT based on the threat of nuclear war. It's based on his belief that we are about to lose the great food growing regions of the planet. If that happens he predicts widespread famine, disease and industrial collapse-including the meltdown of over 400 nuclear reactors and their spent fuel pools.
@@thegreatstory Thank u for a truly great and important video. I think your post is the most honest and comprehensive review of Guy's work that I've ever seen. The organization, detail and accuracy of your video really blew me away. Keep up the great work!
It should be noted that Dr. Guy McPherson has been more careful with making such predictions lately. I attribute his work with his partner, Pauline Panagiotou Schneider, with aiding him in that process.
Well said. Michael handled this with his usual class. I also agree that Guy's hard predictions do himself and climate awareness a disservice. These failed predictions not only further the arguments of climate skeptics and deniers, it fuels the arguments of the green advocates as well.
Good on you Michael. Cleared the air I hope. Guys personality is as it is but, as you say, like it or not he deserves nothing but our enormous gratitude, understanding and respect. I enjoyed yr honest, kind response.
Thank you for this video Michael, and thank you even more for sharing the extensive conversations in the comments section. Much of this conversation overlaps with a focus of mine for the past five years or so... I've been tracking the qualities of relationship, the relationship public dynamics, and the seemingly growing distance not only between warring political or cultural groups... but also between people who are very close to one another on a spectrum of being: Collapse-Aware, Collapse-Acceptant, Collapse-Doulas, Adoring Climate-Conscious Parents, Concerned Climate Scientists, Environmental Activists, and so on... one thing we all have in common is our awareness that we are, right now, in the midst of the most challenging, predicament-filled time in human history. We are all still deluged daily by the firehose of doom-filled headlines interspersed with major doses of cynical propaganda by corporations, governments and MSM. We are now globally able to gaslight the sensitive people among us for even the slightest mention of negative environmental or social indicators - much less the mention of the now ubiquitous human-caused collapse of Earth and Human Systems. We are clearly living through the shredding self-termination of our fossil fuel driven parade through a self.-devised Magical Kingdom. Somehow we Collapsatarians seem to think that we aren't as saturated in the Business as Usual shadow and cynical drivers, and trauma-filled stress behaviors, as the rest of the world. We are all very poorly equipped or trained or evolved to be facing this existential-level era. What I'm getting to with all of this is acknowledging the heartbreak involved as we watch each other be so very hard on each other... and are ourselves so very fragile, so saturated with the generations of trauma that came with that parade through the Magical Kingdom. I guess I'm inviting those who concur to continue to desaturate as best we can... and continue to tenderly reach out to one another. (I consider this long Comments thread one way of tenderly reaching out.) perhaps in small pockets around the world kindred wounded spirits can reach out in various ways, to find some healing, perhaps share practices for desaturating from BAU... to no-kidding, experience some of that special substance that some say will be the only thing that remains when this whole parade grinds to a halt.... love.* * Yes, this is a major tip of the hat to Dr McPherson and Pauline. Thank you both for holding out this candle of love for others to follow - and your deep integrity to keep offering up the most painful truth humans have ever had to consider. Thank you both. Dean Walker Living Resilience Poetry of Predicament Podcast / TH-cam channel
Beautiful, Dean...thank you, brother! And thanks for acknowledging Guy and Pauline's invaluable leadership and ongoing contributions to this larger community. I just read this aloud to Connie (sitting with coffees on our porch in Ypsi, Michigan in the early morning) and she thought it was excellent, too. Love you!
@@EnvironmentalCoffeehouse Official Debunking of the MEERS Project just received by Professor Raymond Pierrehumbert, the world's top expert on abrupt global warming... "Raymond Pierrehumbert 12:52 PM (1 hour ago) to me Yes, you are absolutely right. Ground mirrors have exactly the same problems regarding millennial commitment and risk of termination shock as stratospheric aerosols and marine boundary cloud brightening. There is no sense in which they “buy time.” They actually involve even greater risks than the considerable risks posed already by stratospheric aerosols, since hemispherically asymmetric albedo forcing, or altered land sea difference in albedo is known to cause major changes in circulation systems and rainfall. patterns. -Ray"
Brother Michael, I have much respect for your work. The resource page at Post Doom, I visit often. Thank you for the audio reading of "Overshoot." I listened to it several times.. I've read over a dozen books that I first heard of from you. I love your passion for the work that you are doing. I consider you as my brother. Guy's work has fed me so much information. I admire him. Keep up the good work. You have helped a lot. Peace to you. Much love and respect.
You're a good person Rev. This message should clear the air and even spark a friendship, it's an excellent effort in reaching your hand out to Guy... (You bet we all look forward to his response now, you've given me something to live for 🤣).
Thanks, Matt! Guy has been so wounded, I would't be surprised (and wouldn't hold it against him) if he doesn't watch this video, nor reply to me. I had to mae this video to be in integrity with myself and the larger doomer and post-doomer and collapse communities.
@@thegreatstory If you take Christianity seriously then you should read Professor David F. Noble's series of books - he was formerly at MIT in History. He writes a great expose on the "Religion of Technology" as his 1996 book and ties this to Christianity and also Platonic philosophy and mathematics. I've taken this to a deeper level also. His final book, "Beyond the Promised Land" takes this analysis of religion deeper back to Sumeria.
I'm about half way through your published youtube. Had to take a break a make a rare comment for me, that is, on this platform. You mentioned near the beginning that Guy has contributed something singular - his website summary of all the science literature, which is now five years old! I agree strongly with you here, this is, and was, his strongest contribution! But ..... it is 5 years old! This is a big problem, as I see it. I understand why he discontinued it, from what he later stated in the progression of his youtube presentations. Who else is out there that has, or perhaps is about to fill in this gap of where Guy stopped. I remember when I first saw his amazing summary, and downloaded the long list, and started going through the items. It was very liberating. I always looked forward to Guy's kernels of analyses that followed, even though they occurred every now and then. And, to end, I strongly agree with with the imperative, to be kind and compassionate to others, as you seem to understand!
Now that Michael has passed, I hope Guy comes to some healing around his broken relationships. Death makes this impossible for his relationship with Michael, but its imminence perhaps will nudge him toward fixing others. I have learned so much from both men, and have been able to adjust my life accordingly.
Thank you Michael for the great video. Wow. Every time, I just completely wowed. Love all of the references, love your commentary, and most of all your spirit of kindness, love, and positivity. So refreshing. Not to mention The gobs and gobs of information on the state of the biosphere and modern civilization you draw from are incredible. Love your work!
Wow, thank you, Aubrey, for this kind, generous, and enthusiastic note! Does an old guy (63) good to read such loving and encouraging words in the morning while I'm out on my porch drinking coffee. Bless you! 🙂
Hi Michael For starters I have really enjoyed your interviews over the years! A friend shared with me Guy on May 5th 2018 and boy did I become awake Fast! I share the David Roberts Ted talk "Climate change is Simple" often to people who are trying to get up to speed. David is a very effective communicator and he is able to communicate a complex subject in a nonthreatening way. David did a podcast interviewing Dr Ye last June which is the second one down on MEER's new website. Your knowledge and vast reading are impressive Michael. I would like to see an interview with you and Ye Tao sometime in the future. Thanks !
Dr. Yea Tao is, as far as I can tell, a truly amazing, brilliant, big-hearted man. Yes, perhaps I should schedule a PD convo with him because, currently, I'm not convinced his MEER project is not just another example of techno-hopium (see #5, especially). “Hopium” (definition)… 1. A comforting vision of the future that requires breaking the laws of physics, biology, or ecology. 2. Addiction to false (literally, impossible) hopes. 3. Irrational or unwarranted optimism that promises short-term relief but delivers crushing disappointment and despair when reality inevitably bites. 4. Any ‘hope’ that leads us to put off or not prioritize what matters most - individually and collectively. 5. Believing the climate crisis can be ‘fixed’ or ‘solved’ by doubling down on the very things driving ecocide. As I see it, these are the "Five Main Causes and Drivers of Collapse and Ecocide": 1. Anthropocentrism - human-centered religious values, worldview 2. Civilization - extractive, exploitative, totalitarian / overshoot-R-Us 3. Technology - science/tech: ‘Man: conqueror of nature’ / electricity 4. Progress - how we measure “wealth”, “wellbeing”, and “success” 5. Economics - trade/money systems that incentivize evil, ecocide SEE HERE: (scroll to bottom post): problemspredicamentsandtechnology.blogspot.com/search?q=More+Bright+Green+lies
This is a wonderful tribute to Guy McPherson and his work. I hope he receives it in the spirit intended. Most sad that we humans will become extinct so soon. I thought we’d be around at least until our sun started sputtering out and dying.
Guy has a true friend with M.Dowd, still standing at his side, faithful and true, although Guy has lost all trust it seems in anyone. hope Guy finds a way to figure out who his friends and foes really are, because it is so true: only love remains in the age of extinction. thank you Michael for being the way you are!
I am so glad that you decided to clear the air as far as Guy is concerned. It's sad that Guy isn't seeing his own worth. Like so very many he opened my eyes to the rapid and the irreversible course we humans are on. The opportunity to change course is in the rear view mirror now. We are along for the ride where ever it takes us. Guy and yourself are just telling the truth. To live our lives with intention for as long as we have left.
A very humble and heartfelt video of admiration for the much maligned Prof G. McP. Who does tend to take things to heart, but perhaps for obvious and understandable reasons. His bedside manner has improved considerably over recent years though and his dedication never falters. So thank you for your honesty Mike. We all know the awkwardness of our 'Locutus' ... And we love him for it.
Thanks for your words for Guy. I think he is the only one really telling and being honest with humanity and now his message is coming to terms with reality. I d like to hear more of the people you mentioned come to terms with recognizing they were wrong and apologize. Let's see who is really humble of that bunch.
You say, "I'd like to hear more of the people you mentioned come to terms with recognizing they were wrong and apologize." Yea, I'd love to see that, too!! Unfortunately, publicly admitting when we are/were wrong and apologizing for it is a skill-set in short supply these days... especially in the collapse-accepting community.
@@thegreatstory in simple words, ego is more powerful than truth even if it means the destruction of humanity. Taking with it the biosphere. I am even surprise at the magnitude of these words. See how insane humanity has become with materialism...? It's beyond insane.
Just finished the video, great job Michael! I have relationships that need work and have taken important lessons from your kind and honest approach.FWIW, I also cut my collapse teeth with Guy at NBL, still watch his stuff sometimes and I'm thankful for all his work. Collapse and grief work isn't easy stuff, thanks for your ongoing work at Postdoom, I'm learning a lot of healthy coping tools.
Wow, what a treat to read this comment first thing upon rising this beautiful morning! (I haven't even had my first cup of coffee yet. 🙂) Thank you, Philip!
I appreciate that you have tried to reach out to Guy, and you show a lot of understanding for his situation. It is unfortunate that he's been somewhat unforgiving towards you. As a lay person I found it very difficult to accept the reality of what he was saying but deep down I knew he was right, I'm pleased that Guy is not a lone voice on the matter of mankind's doom.
Update: Guy and Pauline have invited me several times over the last month or two to their community (Nature Bats Last) Zoom calls, which I've happily participated in.
Your work and Guy's have informed me of the impending and overwhelming catastrophy becoming reality all around us. Message written in 40C heat in the UK... nuff said.
As my children were growing up I used to take them with me on the occasional ‘save the planet’ demonstration. They used to ask why they had to come and I’d say ‘because my generation won’t take this opportunity to fix the problem, it’s going to be your generation that will have to fix the problem’. Then my kids grew up and started to say to me ‘it’s not our responsibility to fix the problem, we had little to do with creating the climate problem’. Then I grew up a bit and realised that it was going to be too late if we left it to our children to fix the problem and started doing everything in my own sphere of influence to get carbon neutral and went on a whole lot of demonstrations. Now I’m getting to be an old man I realise it’s already too late to fix the problem, I might die before the worst but my children will be trying to live through the hot house earth. That is how fast we have changed the planet.
Thanks for this, Ian! It's actually unfolding much faster and much worse than most people have any idea. Your children won't be living much (if any) longer than you. Virtually all of us will be living through TEOTWAWKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) simultaneously and will all pretty much be in the same boat at the same time. Also, just so you know... it was never possible to "fix" or "solve" the problem because we're dealing with a predicament, not a problem. See the top level videos on this page, if you'd like: postdoom.com/resources/ Also see: (A) 8-minute EPA segments from a 2013 episode HBO’s The Newsroom (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what climate scientists actually know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0 / And if you prefer reading to viewing, my sense of the future is summed up well in these four things: (1) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (2) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723 (3) Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/
Dowd on McPherson, is a perfect master class on how to clear the air. It is a thoroughly inspired & truth-telling piece of writing, informed by the anguish in Guy, that Michael so clearly hears. (Speaking from personal experience, anguish is a perfectly appropriate response to gaslighting, etc..) This is true compassion & empathic witness in action. It is unstopping the waters of my eyes as I write these words. It is an inspiration & an example to us all. There is not a whisper of quibble or equivocation. Even the one instance where Michael pretends to dissemble, it is only to emphasize his agreement by the faintness of his complaint. The only instance where Michael wants to make it clear he truly disagrees, he saves for the last. Here he makes it crystal clear, that he, Michael, contrary to Guy's misperception, actually Loves Guy's work & his person also & agrees with him in every essential. This is the single error he lays on his mentor. Guy has been believing that Michael, (by proxy?), has been speaking against him & Michael sincerely insists that the opposite is true. The rest is rumour. Michael improves on his praise by providing an extensive list of his picks of the best of Guy's work, which he recommends as essential & exemplary works in the NTHE corpus. Nobody else in the exploding NTHE community has been quite as much of a lightning rod as Guy. He was here early, he saw the picture clearly & he spread the word widely. It is no exaggeration to say that his name is a meme, indeed the meme, for doomer. This singular distinction means Guy carries a disproportionate weight. As Michael says, 'I can't imagine anyone who has had a bigger target on his back... Nobody has been shot at more than Guy McPherson, I think, because of the message he is carrying... I Love Guy McPherson because he has done more to bring our species' mortality to light than anyone else & I deeply honour him for that.' All the dirty tricks that the deniers, delayers, destroyers & moneyers can muster, need be applied to Guy alone & at once it tars & silences the community as a whole. He is our flag-bearer & our leader & target. Michael has bravely stepped up to help him plant that flag, singing robustly & lustily AfriZen's rousing Hymn of the Apocalypse all the while, 'She bats last & she's comin' out swinging... She's had all that she can take... It's payback time, motha-fuckas, it's payback time.' P.S.For my part I see no actual disparagement of Mother Nature in this song. The hatred & the violence expressed are the all-too-human ability to project our own failings, hard at work. It is the irony of this demonic projection onto Nature/Our Mother/The Earth, which I understand the songwriter to be referencing.)
Finally! someone speaking truth! McPherson got me into collapse after seeing one of his lectures many years ago. Now after researching climate change, meltdowns, geology and socio political sciences for many years I have come to the same conclusions as this video states. I've been saying exactly these things for a few years now.
No need. Life's circumstances (including the accelerating collapse of the biosphere and industrial civilization) are pretty rapidly showing that Guy was either prescient, or interpreted the peer-reviewed literature accurately, or both.
@@thegreatstory Exactly. I think a lot of us have been carrying deep felt anxieties that are finally proving warranted. I've been gaslit for two decades and really want to see some people with cameras on their faces as a type of vicarious "told you so".
Met Dr. G and his lovely partner Pauline at a recent workshop at his home. They were gracious and kind. I especially like that he has always said that he doesn’t enjoy the message he must give and waits for the day when someone will prove him wrong. That day has never yet come. Every time I check his evidence he has it right. And a look around world news today is not a contradiction of the message, it reinforces it. S0 I will continue to follow his work knowing that at the end, “ only love remains.”
Dear Mr / Dr ? Dowd, forgive me if I have your title wrong but I do not know you nor you me. This video popped up on my feed and I initially dismissed it as I genuinely thought it was going to be a smear job on Mr McPherson rather than taking him on on the science which is perfectly legitimate, as courageously unwise as such a decision may be for some. So I was not just pleased, but genuinely moved to hear you speak of Mr McPhearson in the manner you have, I can say I certainly understand how he must feel given I have been writing articles on and speaking about the glaring incompatibility of perpetual growth capitalism with the immutable physics that govern a finite world, for the last decade. Ive had conversations with and had my writings read by thousands, I've taken on many a denier in debate in effort to make them understand physics at play and leave them to come to their own determination from there. To little benefit in the end. Some relevant quotes for our time from populare culture, and from Guy, "God gave us a garden... and we paved it." - The expanse "There are some things upon which science is Ill suited to advise." - Guy on matters of faith and a belief in a greater consciousness beyond the mere physical confines of our reality and those who would attempt to use science to decry such. For my part I am ever fascinated in (and frankly starved intellectually) ideas of how to rationalise God with our understanding of the universe. I was a raised a catholic and find myself explaining to many a right wing Christian that you can be rich or a Christian, not both simultaneously. And I have also tried to explain to them that the earth is not 6,000 years old and even the Vatican itself does not believe in that timescale nor of Genesis being literal. But "let there be light" is an awfully interesting way to describe the big bang using the more narrative speech of antiquity to my mind. You also find deep polarisation on the idea of a "planned" universe. Some Christians believe God literally created all things while skeptics to atheist's rightly point out and prove the absurdity of that notion, but neither of them ever stopped to think critically about the matter. To my mind, if I were a being of ability to create reality to my will, with a full awareness of existence that no creature on this earth nor even this universe possesses, I can think of no better example of that than to like a program, craft fundamental laws (Einstein / standard model of physics) and within that create multi dimensional algorithms to utilise and combine those laws in infinitely diverse ways (Quantum physics) that unless you are able to stand out side the universe to view it as a whole, to those inside inquiring into such, has characteristics akin to magic in its complexity and absurdity of quantum physics when viewed in reality. People say there are no miracles anymore, yet Ive seen a particle interact with another with no clear way for that to happen, Ive seen a particle in two places at the same time. There a miracles a plenty still to be seen, for although science has been my first love since I was 4, I have never been under the illusion that there is not more in heaven and earth than can be dreamt of in scientific philosophy. As for humanity, if it is our time then it is our time, I am fine with that, because I know this world will go on, that life will eventually recover, and that without us, in time, it will become a garden once more. p.s. Say a prayer for the dearly departed Michael C Rupert, without the foresight of whom, I would have never come to understand how little I knew back then.
Thank you for this in-depth and generous (and insightful!) comment, ArmyofAll! Here's a youtube playlist of mine that I'm quite certain you'll enjoy! 🙂 th-cam.com/play/PLcAlqMeyeaW9jp15vd-8nfmhf6Ka_jDug.html And here's my personal/media website: michaeldowd.org/
Thank you Michael for doing what you do - such important work. You have changed my life for the better during these frightening and crazy times. I was very surprised that your name was on Guy's hit list. You seem like a very ethical person, as is demonstrated in this video. All the best.
I am starting to fully appreciate the complexity of Guy McPherson and even moreso with your own analysis. His work is our future and immediate existential crossroad. Planning ones death is the only event we do just once.
You're most welcome. My "soul" forced me to do this. Everybody I know and love (including my wife) originally thought it was a bad idea to attempt it. Thankfully, they all now see and can feel (by watching this version) what my heart was telling me to do.
@@thegreatstory Love is an active noun exemplified in this thoughtful examination of the misunderstanding. Thanks again for sharing your thousands of hours of investigative research with me and the 🌎.
Put all the tipping points together and Guy is of course correct about imminent loss of habitat. Earth is about to look like her twin Venus, who unluckily started a bit closer to the sun. Humanity and it's morons will imminently destroy every living creature with the run away heating we started.
As the person who wrote the comment, "Only love remains, now stop asking me stupid questions"--Some Guy..I would say that is a sincerely accurate statement..I would also agree that if I had Guy's genes, experiences, etc., I would be the same person he is, like you clearly state several times..I can't help it's a contradiction I notice all the time within his videos..If I didn't notice glaring contradictions, I wouldn't follow this channel, it would be Greek to me...Guy has a bitterness that shines through the evidence he presents, is it understandable, probably so...But me acknowledging it, isn't untrue because he woke most of you guys from your slumber...We all have contradictions in our lives, that's just part of being human of course, on the other hand, when your public motto is, "Only love remains", and you constantly degrade people, that is just something I'm going to notice..Now, if Michael Dowd's motto was "only love remains", that would align with his behavior, there would be no obvious contradiction..All of that being said, I don't have anything against the Guy, just pointing out the obvious, don't shoot me for it..Peace....
Thank you so much for outing yourself, "real eyes realize real lies", and for this honest, generous, and heartful comment! Just in the last two days (largely thanks to Pauline being straight with me in a comment, below) I have come to the realization of just how unfair and counterproductive for the larger NTHE community it is for a neurotypical religious naturalist eco-theologian like me to judge a neurodiverse synthesis scientists and teacher like Guy according to MY definitions of love and healthy relating. I'm quite certain he's as big-hearted as I am; we just express it differently. I'll be mentioning this shift in my "Hopium Dealers Hall of Fame (with a Nod to Guy McPherson" video I hope to finish recording tomorrow. In any event, thanks, again, for this comment! Big cyberhug ~ Michael
@@practicetrack Not sure what you're referring to. For at least 4-5 years now I've known and have said that there's a way better than 50% chance in my mind that most mammals (including humans) will be extinct within 10-15 years and a better than 90% chance within 20 years. Functional extinction is a certainty. The near-term extinction of Homo colossus is a certainty. And the full blown, total extinction of Homo sapiens a strong likelihood, as I read the evidence, in the not-too-distant future. (I suspect by 2040 if not sooner.) Whether Guy is correct (NTHE by 2026-2030) remains to be seen. But I would't bet against it.
@@thegreatstory for those of us that recognize we don't have that much time, and then someone like Guy helps us see the science and info thay proves our theory was correct...no. you don't get to kick the can down the road and promote a hopoum furitistic date. It's disrespectful as hell man!
I‘m a gardiner in Germany and realized in 2018, that something had profoundly changed. So I started the Research and as I remember with a denier-video and 15 minutes hope. But it was so obvious false - and with more research I understood that it was worse than I thought. It‘s good to hear your very positive opinion on him, think you!
I understand why Guy Mcpherson is quite protective and isolated with his work and who he will interact with regarding his work. When you get attacked from all angles, all the time, you get tired of it. It wears you down. When the evidence is available in copious amounts that humanity is in deep do-do, why would you want to continue to listen to comments from the peanut gallery that you are wrong, or even nuts especially when those negative comments don't contribute in any meaningful way. Guy is taking the route I would take, share your message of what you see happening, provide the evidence, and allow others to come around on their own. For those who continue to deny what's happening, they will eventually receive their lesson in reality when the hourglass runs out. I feel like those of us who can see what's happening on this planet are like the officers on the bridge of Titanic around midnight on April 15, 1912. We know what's happened and we know how this will end, in very short order. When will the panic begin to take hold of society as our ship sinks? Because make no mistake, that panic is coming.
As a confirmed atheist i really appreciate your spiritual approach here, Michael. I am a confirmed doomer, and am constantly challenged when gently broaching this subject with people. Will definitely recommend this video. Be happy and healthy... BTW Have you read 'The Road Less Travelled' by M. Scott Peck? Great chapter on love...
Thanks, Russ! If you've not yet seen my best "Eco-theo" videos, I think you'll like them: th-cam.com/play/PLcAlqMeyeaW9jp15vd-8nfmhf6Ka_jDug.html There's nothing in them that any atheist can object to... I know because I've presented this material to hundreds of groups of humanists, atheists, skeptics, and freethinkers. Yes, I read Scott Peck's "The Road Less Traveled" twice as I recall, and agree that the chapter on love is excellent. decades ago. Unfortunately, Brother Scott was not able to live his own message very well. Still, a wonderful contribution!
Bravo! This video has been in the Recommended section TH-cam provides on my login for some time. When I saw the image, I immediately dismissed it as a likely a hit piece. After watching the video, I was pleasantly surprised and found it very honorable. Likewise, I have a great deal of respect for Guy even despite him being rather cruel to me in the course of what I felt were valid questions. I understand this is part of his defensive nature and don't hold it against him. Thank you for your interpretation.
Guy has always been a very cool person with me. He answers my email almost immediately. I consider him a great friend and a genuine person. His message is a hard one to swallow and without doubt many who cast a poor image of him are just suffering from Cognitive Dissonance. The human species on this planet was never going to last forever, Unfortunately our ignorance concerning our actions and the affects in unbalancing nature has caused a failure of further existence. Our inability to think about the consequences of our civilization is catastrophic for all life on our planet, something that is certainly very unique and extraordinarily in the entire universe. It is sad that our species has proven to be far less than intelligent life.
I first ran into Dr. McPherson's work about 12 years ago. At that time he was saying we would all be dead in 5 years. What is his current estimate of the NTHE timeframe?
Not sure he ever said 5 years in 2010 but, even if he did, I wouldn't hold it against him too severely. I believe (though am not certain) that he thinks most, if not all, plants and animals are likely to die this decade. Personally, I don't like pronouncements that can be interpreted as predications, which is why I tend to shy away from that kind of speech. But I, for one, surely wouldn't bet against anyone arguing that functional (if not absolute) extinction of many (perhaps most) species of fish, insects, trees, mammals, and vertebrates by 2040 is likely. My own sense of the future, for what it’s worth, is summed up well in these four things: (1) 8-minute EPA segments from a 2013 episode HBO’s The Newsroom (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what climate scientists actually know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0 (2) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (3) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723 (4) Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/
I am grateful on this focus on relationship. It makes the term scientific “community” more real. On matters of substance the edge of extinction is a reality. On matters of prediction for things ending, I think the degree of probability is the best way to speak of human extinction. I say that because Theologically there is possibility that is active, perceivable but not yet completely revealed or measured. I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s hopeless, meaningless reality as fully as many moderns seem to do.
Interesting video. I can't even imagine Michael of Paul Beckwith doing anything that would count as defaming towards Guy at least knowingly. I respect Guy for sticking to his guns along with the work that he has put into tying ecology and abrupt runaway climate change but he strikes me a broken person in his personal life. He comes across as rigid and untrusting to a fault but I can't deny intellect and work ethic
Guy is a complete anomaly. I don't know of one person who chose the path he chose and stuck with it. If you seek the truth and are unbending then that's admirable.
My interpretation of McPherson's angst is jealousy because he feels he was the original messenger of doom & now hordes of others have jumped on the bandwagon & he wants it for himself. His claims that others are plagiarising his work does come over as paranoia because such others are merely using the same data that he has accessed - for which he has no divine right to use just for himself. He also cries looking for some kind of sympathy about having to leave Belize & return to the US as if it constituted some noble great self sacrifice - which is suggestive of some form of narcissism. In summary, he has made valuable contributions in highlighting our doom trajectory, but there is room for the views of many others too, who he mostly seems to have alienated for whatever reasons, tho' paranoia springs readily to mind.
@@thegreatstory To be honest my first realization of the scale & depth of environmental threats came from Lester R Brown's writings in the early 1990s, & the videos of him discussing his book "World on the Edge". I became aware of McPherson's views later with its prophecies of doom, which caused me to seek out a broader spectrum of environmental reporting & views. He has stuck his neck out further than most by predicting dates for various apocalyptic end times. However he had a great opportunity to see his global dimming paradox unwind in 2020 as global industries closed down with Covid restrictions - but the sudden warming didn't happen, or is it a delayed effect which is catching up now?
@@mikeharrington5593 Mark Twain (or someone equally famous) said something along the lines of "Predicting is always risky, especially when it's about the future" 🙂 When I speak of Guy as "a modern-day prophet", I am, of course, only speaking naturalistically. From a religious naturalist perspective: religious-naturalist-association.org/ a "prophet" is simply one who speaks on behalf of reality with unflinching courage. It's got nothing to do with channeling an omniscient, otherworldly being, nor accurately predicting the future. Having said that, personally, I would not bet against McPherson being close to correct... few, if any, humans and other mammals and vertebrates by 2030. Personally ,I don't see any way that of avoiding or side-stepping MANY tipping points we have already passed, combined with the loss of aerosol masking, combined with dozens (or possibly hundreds) of nuclear meltdowns. Truly, we're at TEOTWAWKI and quite possible NTHE.
17:48 - 17:55 thank you for answering my question from a while ago. So you DO think it is physically possible to do something. But like me, you are convinced we wont do it...I think that is what most people don’t get. It will be like in the movie don’t look up. We might have the means to help ourselves, but our values are somewhere else. And aligning them with reality will take too long. That is the real reason we are in collapse.
21:48 Never heard that song for some reason, even though I follow Guy. I guess I never listened to the lyrics and just noticed the music in the back. But you singing that lyrics was cringe par excellence. You really brought home the point that your communication about mother nature is different. I am on your side. Nature does not hate us. Aliens would say that we hate nature. Nature is trying to save us all the time. We are just not listening and refuse any help. Thinking that we know better.
I believe that for most humans their brains are configured, with the aid of the ego, to reject the possibility that our species has developed a fatal flaw that will not only result in our extinction but that of much of the life support systems of this planet. If we had had such insights many of us might not have survived into adulthood and then added more of our kind, now over 8-billion and still climbing rapidly.
@@vernonbrechin4207 When I tell reasonable people that we are in overshoot they look at me as if I fell from the moon (best case) or start yelling at me for what an idiot or eugenicist I am to think that (worst case scenario). Very very rarely do I meet anybody that understands the problem of overshoot. They try to dismiss it on the grounds that the population growth factor is declining. They ignore the fact that its still on the exponential curve and they also ignore the fact that we are not the only organism on this planet that wants to thrive. Not to mention ignoring the fact that we depend on all other life for our own existence. To think humans can somehow survive while the rest of the planets is going into a mass extinction is the cherry on the cake of hubris. I am trying to have the talk with people also. My channels is more or less about the same thing. Just my approach is "a little" different. Not much more effective I have to say in hindsight...
@@KosaBrin Thanks for your comments! With respect to communicating collapse and overshoot to others, may find some of the videos on this page useful: postdoom.com/resources/ Here, too: postdoom.com/discussions/
I would like you to think on this: "Stone is the substance of stewards; metal is the stuff of destroyers and usurpers." That occured to me as I inventoried the impact my ancient style copper foundry has compared to my flint working station. This isn't the issue though; it isn't about the mess and toxic elements left from smelting and casting copper but is in fact the work I planned on doing with my copper axe. Without any effort the copper axe lets me level habitats before lunch, without realising. Where as with the stone axe there isn't enough time or tool to destroy in the same way. When I venture into the mountains with stone tools I feel I am part of the mountains. When I carry copper and steel I have a sense of control; a desire to rule. Our motivations and weaknesses have put us here, it isn't the steel. It is what powerful things do to our immature intellects and poor self discipline. The bank will always think money is the most important thing and they will convince you of that. Politicians think administrative powers are what is important and expect you to fuse that idea to you and make you pick a side. Then there is religion, which in my opinion, is the same as the politics. All this bickering. Yet all of our ancestors, as well as every single living thing lives. I believe we have all of us missed the point of this place, the only place in all the cosmos where we know there to be life.
Traditional peoples (including, to my knowledge, the Lakota of the North American Great Plains and the Luo of the Great Lakes region of East Africa) revere rocks, stones, and boulders as not only integral parts of the earthly environment but as actual sentient beings: persons, and ancestors, to be treated with the utmost respect.
Thank you, Chris, for this most insightful comment!! Dbagagna, thanks for your comment, too. I think the phrase "with the utmost resect" is key. Whether or not the non-animate parts of the biosphere are alive or conscious or whatever is secondary to this question: "Is how we're thinking about everything we rely on furthering humility or hubris? Does of way of languaging and thinking about various aspects of reality evoke RELATING with utmost respect or relating as a mere object to be used? I cover some of this in my video, "Sustainability 101: Indigenuity Is Not Optional": th-cam.com/video/bCZqpdOM8sg/w-d-xo.html
Chop Carry, thanks for sharing all this but the evidence simply doesn't support the claim that "many would agree" with you. This video has garnered nearly 600 comments and 98% of them are positive; some even moving me to tears. I've been called many things in my life but "passive aggressive" is not one of them. 🙂(I have no trouble being passive and can easily be aggressive, but I cannot ever remember being both at the same time. Did you watch this video to the end, where I speak about why I used the tombstone image? I invite you to do so, as well as to take some time and carefully read a few dozen of the comments. Still...thank you for voicing this! I did, in fact, pretty much ruin two perfectly good collegial friendships with my use of the tombstone pix... Beril and William.
I respect Guy McPherson's work. I am not a scientist or person of note. I do think that he obsessed about all this, and has become paranoid of everyone.
No longer call myself a Christian, but I still really love that 1 Corinthians passage about love. At one time I remembered it word for word. Good to revisit it.
I appreciated this perspective, focusing on compassion. I've been wondering about some of the darker, more personal allegations against Guy McPherson, and if I'm honest, I still have some concerns about that. It's hard to say what might be disinformation, even after a ton of looking into it, and what might be a pattern of abusive behavior. But I do like how McPherson lays out his arguments, and his strident presentation is certainly appropriate, given the scale and magnitude and the way he's been scapegoated by more technoptimtismic actors in this domain.
Michael, I’ve followed you online, youtube, and Sound Cloud. I’m so thankful for your intellect, humanity and grace in this current broadcast and in all your past efforts. Please accept my deepest thanks.
McPherson is telling the truth. But hes obviously going through a lot. And the weight he is carrying must be isolating . We’re all going through emotional change. Quote from a song. CELEBRATE THE PARTIES OVER IM GOING HOME.
Thank you or the summary of Guy's work. I will watch/read the works that I have missed. Thank you for saying that animal life under the Earth will likely survive the upcoming collapse. I will research Stephen Jenkinson's work as you recommend so thanks for that as well.
You're most welcome, Diane. My hope is that, as a result of this video, more people will give Guy a fair hearing and come to appreciate the immeasurable challenges he has had to bear being the first one to give voice to (as I said in the video) "THE most repulsive scientific knowledge in human history."
I follow McPherson and have also thought he has a persecution complex. Not that he hasn't been persecuted. It is just that he cannot bend and cannot forgive.
Guy is one of my heroes and he is the one that has made the way i think about the world happen. The way that us humans have treat it like shit ,thinking it won't be biting us on the ass in return, but it is now going to do just that, this is the biggest and saddest joke that man kind has played on its self! Now i live my life to be the best man i can be and love the ones i love and live my life in the know, all 👍thanks to him!
If you're hesitant to share this one with others, perhaps one of the top ones on this page would be a better fit? You decide: postdoom.com/resources/ Also (especially) see the three videos on this page: postdoom.com/discussions/
I don't. I only mention, very briefly and practically in passing, "G🌎D" - and the difference is astronomical. Truly. See here if you're interested in knowing more about something that most people understandably don't give a shit about, but an "eco-theologian" like me values highly: "G🌎D - Owning Our Error, Accepting Our Fate" th-cam.com/video/DEDvM8Agmw4/w-d-xo.html
I have to respect anyone who is telling the truth about abrupt irreversible climate change and the devastating effects it is SOON to have on humanity and all life. (Surface life) I understand the desire to keep people blissfully ignorant, but some of us would rather know the truth and reality of the situation.
Sadly, few here get the impact of two of the great NEGATIVE feedbacks to warming: 1. The heat radiation and evaporation of open polar oceans in winter, as opposed to an insulating ice sheet. 2. The power of the "black body radiation" curve that increases outward radiance by the FOURTH POWER of temperature, AND shifts the spectrum of that radiation to find new outlets bypassing greenhouse gas effects.
@@dbadagna As I understand it, a "negative feedback loop" would like if the AMOC (Gulf Stream) shut down and caused cooling, rather than warming, in Europe and elsewhere. See here: energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Negative_climate_feedback and here: earthhow.com/climate-feedback-loops/ Most scientists see "positive" (self-reinforcing) feedback loops as the real issue, and what will probably do us in sooner rather than later (Bookhermit will no doubt take issue with this.) See here: www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/how-feedback-loops-are-making-climate-crisis-worse and here: dptv.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/buac20-912-sci-ess-posnegfeedbacks/positive-and-negative-feedbacks-in-the-earth-system/ and, finally, here (something I wrote that talks about multiple tipping points and feedback loops): howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/
@@firstnamelastname-ej7ul Thank you for jumping in on this important point. IMHO, those who believe or claim that negative feedback loops can or will offset or counteract the dozens of positive (self-reinforcing) once already in play are serious hopium addicts.
You'll never get in any trouble speaking the truth, if the truth you're speaking is what is generally believed to be true. To the degree that the truth you're speaking differs from common understanding, is the degree to which you WILL get into trouble. It doesn't matter how true your truth is which causes the trouble, but rather the degree to which your new truth upsets the apple cart. So when Guy, or anyone, speaks of a truth that literally spills all the apples, the persecution will be as merciless and intense as it has been. Michael's description of Guy as a prophet is exactly on target. Throughout all history prophets have been persecuted and isolated while alive and lionized after their death. The bible speaks of Noah as a hero, but he was only able to build one boat.
I think Guy has been on point, (in every sense) for so long, Its surprised me that he maintained his logical referenced position on the prospects of life on Earth. In the face of continuous, strenuous opposition and obstacles preventing his message achieving a wider audience and recognition. If he’s tired and bitter, I do understand him feeling that way, even if his targets for accusation of disrepute maybe misguided or simply mistaken. His long service to the truth of the matter makes me only have compassion for him as a tireless campaigner against the orchestrated media silent science of gradually lifting the veil of hope, on the ugly reality of life’s prospects on this planet. Sooner than we want or are prepared for, life will be inevitably hot, wet, hungry, thirsty, stormy, violent and shorter that we could ever imagine for ourselves, our family and our communities across the globe.
I can see why Guy doesn't want to talk to you. You list your interpretation of love as being divergent from that of Guy. When actually your interpretation of love is exactly what Guy is also saying. I respect the work that both of you are doing and will continue to listen to both of you.
Good observation, Carolyn. Pauline and discussed all this last year (here in the comments section) after I posted this originally. I received her input and adjusted my message in my next video: "Hopium Dealers Hall of Fame (with a Nod to Guy McPherson): th-cam.com/video/g59vxAbof2s/w-d-xo.html Since then I've communicated with Guy and Pauline many times, especially since they've been inviting me the last six months on to their weekly NBL zoom calls.
Ice plus heat equals water. Lots of ice plus lots of heat equals lots of water. Lots and lots of ice plus lots and lots of heat equals lots and lots of water.
When I talk about climate destabilization I say by 2050 the biosphere will be toast but it could be as soon as 2030. If I say 2030 they dismiss it. But if I say 2050 with a chance that it could be 2030 they do start looking around and consider what I say. When I said GM statement of 2026 they won't listen.
Not exactly a strength of brilliant neurodiverse men, in my experience. Pauline, his beloved, and I have had some really sweet (and clarifying) exchanges as a result of the comments section of this video and personal email exchanges, for which I am extremely grateful!
Considering the hate that Guy has endured he does deserve being cut a break if he is angry. His work had a positive effect on my life strange as that sounds
Referring to 18:08 Dr. Mcpherson agnowledged “The Deep Hot Biosphere” (Sort of) in this presentation th-cam.com/video/KSASEcQ22Qw/w-d-xo.html Beginning at 1:13:56
As I say in several of my more important videos: Six (Repulsive) Truths Most People Don’t Know 1. All human-centered civilizations destroy their habitat, then self-destruct. 2. Technology & the market can’t save us from the ecocide they always create. 3. Climate change is not our main predicament - ecological overshoot is. 4. We are decades into abrupt climate mayhem, unstoppable collapse, and a mass extinction that will likely include most forests, insects, fish, mammals, human by 2040. 5. Denying the above increases the likelihood (inevitability?) of scores (hundreds?) of nuclear meltdowns this decade or next. 6. Most people WILL deny all this as long as possible (and will suffer accordingly). On a related note, see here (140,000 views): th-cam.com/video/e6FcNgOHYoo/w-d-xo.html and here: postdoom.com/discussions/ and here: postdoom.com/resources/
@@thegreatstory Thank you Señor Dowd that was a genius writing a sinthesis. Seems the human brain & soul finds it hard to keep on daily life knowing there is no future, suppose thats why the people generate a menthal blockade shield wall to this truth. But some can.
I honestly try to listen to Guy. But I gave up having to sit through his whining about personal problems. To this very day during interviews, he launches into the same drawn-out pattern of complaint. I would be listening to everything he puts out if he stuck to the science. He's way too wrapped up in himself to present a coherent presentation. If he had stuck to the science and not tried so hard to be a celebrity, and to include his listeners in his personal despair, he would be accessible to more doners.
Yes, a number of people have told me this has basically been their experience, too. Personally, I think he's doing the best he can given the internal and external resources available to him and the fact that the vas, VAST majority of people are predisposed to utterly reject his core message. Thanks for your comment.
I too respect what Guy has been trying to do and his staying true to the science as he sees it. For this fidelity to the truth as he sees it he has payed a great price. I don’t blame Guy for being resentful bc his life has basically been ruined for having the balls to state what so many thousands of scientists that know how dire the situation is yet keep their mouths shut in fear of being ostracized just like Guy. Guy should try bragging about his willingness to endure the scrutiny of all these ppl unwilling to face reality or admit what they know to be true. I agree with the comment here that no one likes a victim or a whiner. Bill Cooper too got a lot of criticism but he wore his stripes with pride which made him more endearing. Guy should consider a podcast. The monologues get old. There he could defend his claims live with anyone disagreeing with him and let the truth speak for itself.
@@newdawnrising8110 he’s tired of defending the research done by in-the-field scientists. He has tried to remind people that he didn’t come up with the data! He just reads it and explains what it means in terms of living organisms and habitat. He’s tired of trolls. Which is why he stopped all comments on his videos. People can comment in the live chat during the premiere. And he will answer questions there. But he wants to spend more of his time living while we can. Not responding to trolls.
Thank you for this wonderful presentation. I will be sharing it with many people since I found it to be highly respectful towards Dr. Guy McPherson and his works. I see this as a great resource for other's to explore his works. I've stuck with Guy's presentations for at least six years despite some slight disagreements with some of his defensiveness that I expected due to some external attacks. I believe that Guy's efforts can be enhanced if he made an exception and followed through with your request to interview him.
'in a relationship with him for a variety of reasons', lmfao. Sorry dude, I am 10:20 in and found that comment really funny given a certain context hehehe. More seriously, I've found Guy a really engaging speaker and someone who has definitely influenced me in a positive direction. He also really liked a poem I once sent him.
What annoys me about McPherson is his inability to explain why climate is a fast moving train heading for the buffers. He waffles on about indiutrial civilisation etc and then drifts around appealing to emotions. That has lost him credibility. A scientific analysis of climate as a catastrophe also requires a scientific explanation of why capitalism, and NOT industrialisation per se, MUST end in disaster.
Of course capitalism must end in disaster. In fact, EVERY money-based economic system in human history has proven ecocidal precisely BECAUSE it treated the biosphere as merely an "it" to be exploited rather than a "Thou" or "community of kin" to be honored and respected and preserved as a primary sacred responsibility. If you're interested, my own sense of the near-term (and beyond) future is summed up well in these four things: (1) 8-minute EPA segments from a 2013 episode HBO’s The Newsroom (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what climate scientists actually know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0 (2) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/ (3) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723 (4) Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/
Thank you for clarification. I have watched Guy for a very long time and wondered how much persecution he has been through. His information is solid although I wish he had your charisma and presentation. I also wonder why you and Guy and others on the list make your videos, seems a bit pointless if doom is around the corner and unavoidable.
Pointless?!? Are you kidding! NOTHING gives me more joy and is more fulfilling than creating videos like these: postdoom.com/resources/ and engaging in inspiring conversations like these: postdoom.com/resources/ Personally, I can't think of a more glorious and soul-nourishing thing to do with my time and energy than educating people about what's inevitable and unstoppable so that they can, hopefully, "live life fully and love the life they live" in the time we have left. Join us in our summer 2022 8-part series, "Death, Dying, and Sacred Endings": postdoom.com/discussions/
@@thegreatstory yes, this is enjoyable for you and that is apparent with your presentation. I certainly take from Guy more of a cathartic exercise, a need to release the demons. I, however, started working at helping mitigate and adapt in 1997. Upon finding Guy and realizing the entirety of my adult life was a scam, the past few years have been lensed by futility. Getting everyone to know the interconnected pointless of doing or not doing, to me is the height of futility.
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I am so glad that you produced this video. As with many others, I only became aware of our inevitable climate catastrophe because of Guy's work. I had the good luck to be able to see him speak live in Nevada City California, twice. Actually shook his hand, and he was very humble. It was so sad to see him de-platformed, as it were, so violently and crudely. As an electronics engineer, and somewhat educated in the technological sciences, I realize that technology will not save us. Neither will fascism, which it seems like we in the USA are headed towards at full speed.
Thanks for this compassionate response, Tom. I fully agree.
Our courses are aligned. You could have been describing my introduction to NTHE too, almost verbatim, right down to being trained in electronics and later, studying other sciences - in my case environmental science and later still Earth and Ocean science. Though my concern and interest in all matters environmental started when I left the nuclear submarine service in 1981... And subsequently campaigned as a crew member (communications) in a well known maritime NGO.
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But it was Guy who was the first 'Locutus' for the science collective, within the IPCC era. Showing us disciples [interlocutors] the way to disseminate the truth, the very uncomfortable truth to the non-science comprehending masses, where only those with Stage 5 Awakening are ideally qualified.
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Remember, the Earth's biosphere [Gaia] is interconnected at all levels. As such, one should be mindful that the Earth is one giant organism and one should view the biosphere, within an holistic framework; physics, chemistry, biology, Earth & Ocean sciences, ecology, geology, paleontology, glacialogy, climatology, evolutionary biology, cybernetics and to be extra- thorough, an understanding of astronomy, geodectics, fluid dynamics can only help to broaden one's understanding within an holisitc framework. The importance is not the scientific minutae, that would be lost on any non-science ears, more the abililty to summerise and above all join-the-dots...
Which, once one gets into the swing of it, becomes an enthralling, yet harrowing epistemological journey of discovery. The discovery that our species could quite possibly be the first to have evolved that begin to grasp the 'nature of the universe', yet in its truncated temporal existence, has caused the very circumstances for the demise of all species, life, on this pale-blue dot...
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Thus, regarding the total annihilation of .... well arguably evolution itself, certainly in this stella suburb...
The release of ionising radionuclides into the biosphere would have several vectors of impact; localised would be ground and surface contamination; aquefers and surface winds being primary transport vectors; and release into the atmosphere, where the real concern exists. With the interraction of atmospheric raidonuclide aerosols, comes the total dispersion of the ozone region resulting in the Earth's surface being bathed in lethal UV-A&B insolation. It is unlikely anthing organic would survive, including within the soils, which are already dying anyway. Deep in underground caverns possibly...
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I too have argued with Guy on whether anything would survive the culmination of the current mass extinction, taking all into account. The most obvious talking point being extremophiles such as; tardigrades. Though I argued for the extremophile deep ocean vent colonies - who exist in a somewhat insular and localised chemotrophic system, well within the aphotic region of the oceans, so unlikely to be affected by UV radiation, or even radionuclide dispersion in the water column - but that might depend on many physical-oceanographic dymamics and time, not forgetting that even in these extreme environments, life on Earth is interconnected. Some have even speculated, that these oases of chemotrophic systems, might have well have kick-started life on Earth.
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Apparently - *Deinococcus Radiodurans* is a common yet pretty indestructable organism - that's why micorbiologists call this polyextremophile - 'Conan the Bacterium' .... The most robust yet benign organism extant on Earth. It might be able to withstand extreme doses [ >5k grays] of ionizing radiation, dessication, UV radiation, oxidising and electrophillic agents, even the extreme vacuum of space, yet it has one Achillies-heel... Like everything else, it needs to convert energy to survive - eat. Thus, it lives on organic matter... Which would be in very short supply, if the planet's surface was irradiated and bathed in UV-A&B radiation. However, Conan may well end-up being the final surviving organism on this beleaguered Earth. The meek would truly have inherited the Earth... ;-)
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At some point in the future, If a visiting alien xenoarcheologist, on an 'away mission' and had accessed human data/records, where the human colloquialism - ''The Great Dying '' [re: Permian-Triassic extinction event - 252My bce] was describing the third and largest mass extinction on Earth, whereby 96% of the Earth's biota were extirpated and yet was now viewing the aftermath of the 6/7/8th mass extinction event - with 100% extirpation of the planet's biomass and that as an alien, I could empathically share the same sense of irony... I would dub this ME -
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''The Great Format...'' 👽⌛💀
Yes, the only thing that could have saved us. Was for Bernie Sanders to have run for president, decades ago & WON ( aka, Not have been cheated by the DNC and one Hillary "War Hawk" Clinton. With Barack Obama and Joe Biden, getting assists. )
@@Deebz270 I've been mentioning GAIA ( GAIA Always wins in the end ) since first seeing the UK Mini Series, Edge of Darkness - 1985 with Bob Peck & Joe Don Baker. Great detective series, but is also a lot about what both Guy and Mr. Dowd here also mentioned. Nuclear Energy and the UK covering up it had an undercover Nuclear Power Plant under ground. Pecks daughter was part of a GAIA group, who broke into said power plant, trying to get proof they were lying about it. and the operators killed them all, including Pecks daughter. RIGHT IN HIS FACE. So now, of course, Peck had the biggest, most important cases of his life to solve. With a big hand from Mr. Baker of the USA! Joe Dons best role EVER by far. THEY broke into said power plant, and got the evidence needed to prove, his daughter and the GAIA group she was with, were right. If you've never seen this mini series, its a MUST SEE TV event. The sound track was done by Mr. Eric Clapton as well.
@@troyturton8197 I appreciate (and mostly align with) your heart on this, Troy, but the inevitability and unstoppability of biospheric and civilizational collapse go way, Way, WAY further back than any political party or politician. If you're curious to learn more, I recommend ANY of the videos at the top of this page: postdoom.com/resources/
what lovely podcast. I admire Guy McPherson greatly and fear that some of his detractors make more money selling 2050 goals for 'renewables'. I have written to Guy: "You are the lighthouse, not the rocks" ; subsequently he should brush off the people who are unable to see the evidence he so bravely presents. I hope he will be open to a discussion with you at some point.
Me too. But whether he is or not, I feel like I've been "faithful" to what Life wanted me to do in creating this. I hope it can be healing balm.
some of the evidence he's presented has confused people. For example math professor Eliot Jacobson says he's debunked GEE's claim that we already passed 2 degree celsius but GEE is quoting Andrew Glikson. If you read Glikson his 2 degree celsius claim is based on including the Aerosol Masking Effect as a global warming equivalent. So unless someone is willing to figure that out on their own then they're going to get it wrong. Also GEE had some confusion on the Aerosol Masking Effect science but overall he was still accurate - it was just because a certain quote in the paper he was referencing was a misleading quote. You had to really study the paper to figure out the percentage range in the quote was based on two different kinds of aerosols.
As a millennial, I was always lectured by people (mostly much older than me) around me that it is my generation’s “responsibility” to somehow fix the climate, and the reason we can’t do it is because “my generation is too spoiled or too lazy”… I was always told that trading natural environment for technological progress is “good” and it is something “I should be grateful to.”
My generation and those younger than us were born into this predicament. We had no choice. As a subscriber of your and McPherson’s channels, I found your messages healing and even liberating😊 thank you!
Thank YOU, Lacus, for this comment! Your generation is no more responsible than the previous 200 generations. You were born into an ecocidal train headed for self-destruction. You just happen to be lucky and blessed enough to know this and be alive now, at the glorious end. Celebrate it! The Grim Reaper will come for you and your loved ones soon enough. Now's the time to celebrate the gift of being alive and conscious!!
Excellent and Thank You for addressing this issue. I hope your words provide some healing for the pain Guy is suffering. I agree with all that you have to say in this video.
Thank you.
Than you for producing this great video in which you not only set the record straight about Guy’s work but but display remarkable kindness for soemone who displays symptoms of persecution.
Thank you for this generous comment, Brian!
I'm glad you produce this. I hope Guy sees and hears this so he can begin to heal.
Thanks, Edward...I hope so, too.
I learned so much from Nature Bats Last podcasts, and Guy McPherson, who first influenced and enlightened me on climate/ecology/inevitable collapse. Concise. Not into making a lot of money from his talks...
Yes, many of us -- including other colleagues that Guy has done his level best, it seems, to alienate -- value and benefit from his contributions.
I was first introduced to NTHE by watching McPherson material years ago and had to go through the stages of grief. Then I discovered you and Jenkinson, which helped me so much even when my mother recently passed. I was so grateful for the wonderful times I had with her. More recently I have begun to lose interest in finding reasons for our collapsing society and ecosystems, but being grateful for what it still provides .....I and my wife live on a small organic off grid farm in the finger lakes NY and find beauty here every day.....Namaste Mr. Dowd and thank you
Thank you, Basil! If you've not already seen it, I highly recommend my Post-doom conversation with Karen Perry: "15 BENEFITS of Collapse Acceptance" (note the TH-cam description box, as well): th-cam.com/video/mhKbOtZM01c/w-d-xo.html
I was moved to tears at the strength of your phrase "... they deserve my compassion, not my derision." The whole video was great, but that phrase really cut deep and reflects your nature brilliantly. It's too common and seductive to give glib and knee-jerk reactions to discomfort, apprehension, and a host of negative feelings. Scrolling social media, it's easy to deride others for their hopium-induced fanaticism and occasional cruel behavior. But like you say, anyone who gives over to those impulses deserves compassion, not derision. I think that line summarizes what you later say about love as an active noun.
I want to thank you for being a light. Not just in the prophecy and truth telling, but by demonstrating honesty, forgiveness, compassion, and intentional speech in relationships even when it's not comfortable. It's very rare to see someone be so forthright with radical compassion like you are in these videos. Thank you as always for your work in this regard. I consider you a role model and will use that phrase as a guidepost.
Thank you for this kind, generous, and heartful comment, Lake! I was moved by your words as I just read this comment aloud to my beloved bride, Connie, as we sit on our porch in the early morning of another soon-to-be scorching summer day here in Ypsilanti, Michigan. Bless you!!
@@thegreatstory my wife and I like to vacation in Saugatuck Michigan in September, we would love to buy you dinner sometime! Your videos and commentaries on the coming ecological collapse are the best! ☺️🙏
Well said, Michael.I for one like Guy and value all he does. I woke up because of Guys' work, and have never been more content because I know the truth, you won't get that for any politician.
Amen, Julie!
Very well said and spot on!
Thank you for this presentation it was honest and heart warming . It is the first time I've ever read all the comments most of them were thoughtful and appreciative and Pauline deserves much credit for her contribution thank you both.
Indeed! Mythically and quite playfully, I consider Pauline (she'll surely reach for the barf bucket if she reads this): "the Mother Mary of Abrupt Climate Collapse and NTHE". :-)
I am glad YT fed me this wonderful compendium from you, even 6 months late, as an appreciative subscriber to your work. Guy was my wake-up alarm in 2012, and I have been adjusting to a life without hopium since then.
I would say you dipped below your excellent levels of fairness in "diverging" with Guy on "love" and "relation". (25:45)
If you had felt how deeply he is in near-constant pain by what he is revealing to us, you would realize that it could only come from the deepest Love, and the feeling of Relation to us all. I believe he has hit bottom and come back so many times, his love of living together in Truth can be the only explanation.
I think his approach to Compassion ("feeling with", "empathy") is challenging (and awakening) your own sense of Compassion, and he has stood alone in that, years ahead, waiting for the rest of us to catch up. At moments, it flashes upon me just how lonely and painful he must feel. To honor a prophet is indeed the correct thing, and yes, I share your love for him.
I am glad that you & Guy & Pauline are in communication. You are all people that we care about, and with whom we expect (or "hope") to share these final times.
Guy is a conservation biologist and he extrapolates into climate science. He is probably the most useful integrator of these topics.
As Pauline said, "he wears his heart on his sleeve" and we feel that with him.
I would have nitpicked some of his conclusions on timing or effects of aerosols, Arctic melt, nuclear plants, and NTHE (I'd go for a Bell Curve die-off rather than a "lights out"), but that still would not reduce his overall contribution below, IMO, 120% correct.
When he went on the lecture circuit, his voice represented my own. But I did not stick my neck out as he bravely did.
The NBL community was essential for many of us while he kept it going. It launched me into some of my own major preparations.
He arrived at his life-affirming conclusions ("only love remains") early on and has held to them firmly as the only valid philosophy we can take from all this "Chronicle of a Doom Foretold."
"A word is dead when it is said, some say.
I say it just begins to live that day." -- Emily D.
You and I both live in a world of words, as evidenced in this video. Concepts, citations, quotes. Wonderful words. Intellectuals over-intellectualizing. The "life of the Mind", a wonderful, academic life. So secure in our Ivy-hood. (Or Little Ivy)
And yes, we love to read, and re-read, our own stuff. ("Did I get it right? Did I get it all out?" Edit, and edit again.)
The intellectual world of words is a phase we need to go through, and as Emily implies, let it be the doorway to a greater Compassion for all beings.
The shaman uses words, yes, but it is not the words which reach the spirit world. It is the heart that is speaking those words.
I will never be the next Jim Morrison of the music world, but I can recognize when someone has brought that shamanic reach for spirit into our lives.
Might this be what Guy has done with his life, going beyond all "safety or surprise" to take us lovingly toward The End?
Maybe relevant or not to this discussion, but one strong impression I carry of our possible final days comes from John Steinbeck, and the Joads' final scenes in the Grapes of Wrath. The water is rising in their boxcar shelter, they move to a barn, the baby is stillborn and people around them are starving. The story ends, but does not end. We are still deeply immersed in the lives of these people.
This is the kind of deep immersion, despite all sadness, that Guy (and Pauline) wishes us to have. It is the appropriate respect for all that humans before us have suffered, silent and forgotten, and we now may be about to join them.
“A large drop of sun lingered on the horizon and then dripped over and was gone, and the sky was brilliant over the spot where it had gone, and a torn cloud, like a bloody rag, hung over the spot of its going. And dusk crept over the sky from the eastern horizon, and darkness crept over the land from the east.”
"''She looked up and across the barn, and her lips came together and smiled mysteriously."
So much of our mental perambulation is our weak effort to deny we could be ending up like this.
Thank you for this wonderfully insightful, kindhearted and truly "fair" video. It was Guy who woke this nobody up to the coming catastrophe and I knew he spoke truth despite all the naysayers. Yes, his attitude could sometimes use improvement - but who IS perfect? - and look at the vitriol he has endured. You've done him a great service here. Sincerely.
Thank you!
"Yes, his attitude could sometimes use improvement"
That's the understatement of the year.
@@klondike444 I don't live with the man. Interesting that you apparently do....
@@randomcontent8459 Weird response...
I Luv the guy. He's been out there on the leading ragged edge for a very, very long time. Has sounded to me for a while now that his commitment to telling this truth has cost him a fair amount. My respect for him allows for much more forgiveness of faltering and stumbles than just a little bit of paranoia and self centeredness.
I love Guy, too. That's why I created this video.
Yes, Guy is to Climate Change, what Michael Ruppert was to the subjects he covered and UNCOVERED for us. And Guy loved and Respected Michael Ruppert. Guy will probably end up, just as Ruppert did. Maybe Pauline, will make sure that doesn't happen.
Watching this while temperatures soar to 40 C (104 F) in parts of the UK.
Politicians: …everything will be fine, we will pull a solution out of our a$$e$!
Me too. While Boris parties again. This time at Chequers. Bet they have air conditioning.
Yes, insanity and corruption rule the day, it seems. But, as I often say to my beloved bride, Connie, "Don't worry dear; it will all be over soon." :-)
o-man-o-man!
what an utterly pleasing surprise this video is.
Thanks, Simon!
I hope Guy watches this video. I don't know why he included u on the list of folks he believes defamed him but I think this video clearly demonstrates u don't belong on that list. I have followed Guy's work for around 15 years. I think Guy is sincere and there's no doubt he sacrificed a lot (a dream job as a full professor at a major university, his family, friends, home and status) in telling the truth as best he understood it. My only issue with Guy is that he has made hard predictions with accompanying dates that have not yet come to pass-thereby undermining his credibility. Around 2009 during the financial crisis Guy predicted that industrial civilization would collapse by 2012 due to energy shortages. Then he spent the next 6 years citing a projection by Dr. Maslowski published in 2013 that the arctic would be ice free by 2016 plus or minus 3 years. Guy hammered away incessantly with this projection as signaling the death knell for human civilization. Finally in 2019 Guy interviewed Dr. Maslowski who conceded that his projection was erroneous. At that point Maslowski was hesitant to project a future date for an ice free arctic other than speculating it was inevitable (which it probably is). The point however is that Guy looked a little foolish given his harping on the 2019 ice free deadline for so many years. This is the problem with hard predictions. When they don't come true within the specified time frame it tends to undermine one's entire argument. Even worse, it tends to obscure the basic truth that the arctic will most likely become ice free in the near future. Nonetheless Guy keeps repeating the same mistake. Over the last few years Guy has boldly predicted that humans will become extinct by 2026 due to climate change (and due in particular to the loss of food growing regions as a result of said climate change). That leaves only 4 years for this apocalypse to occur. And suppose civilization is still here in 2027? Guy will again be mocked for reckless predictions that didn't come true-further eroding his credibility and further obscuring the fact that humanity may actually be at risk of near term industrial collapse if not outright extinction. Like u I applaud Guy's courage and dedication. Guy sacrificed nearly everything to tell us what was really going on. And I think in the big picture he is correct. I just wish he would refrain from massive, specific Nostradamus like predictions that are ultimately speculative and beyond date specific accuracy. In closing I applaud you for posting this video and giving Guy the recognition and respect he deserves.
@counselthyself I think u are absolutely correct about the danger of nuclear war. I don't think most people understand how dangerous the war in Ukraine is. If the U S. And NATO continue to send heavy weapons to Ukraine that kill lots of Russians, Putin may resort to tactical battlefield nukes. And if that happens God only knows where it goes from there. Shit could escalate very quickly and spiral out of control. But remember, Guy's prediction of near term human extinction is NOT based on the threat of nuclear war. It's based on his belief that we are about to lose the great food growing regions of the planet. If that happens he predicts widespread famine, disease and industrial collapse-including the meltdown of over 400 nuclear reactors and their spent fuel pools.
Thank you SO much for this thoughtful, heartful, and detailed response!
@@thegreatstory Thank u for a truly great and important video. I think your post is the most honest and comprehensive review of Guy's work that I've ever seen. The organization, detail and accuracy of your video really blew me away. Keep up the great work!
It should be noted that Dr. Guy McPherson has been more careful with making such predictions lately. I attribute his work with his partner, Pauline Panagiotou Schneider, with aiding him in that process.
Well said. Michael handled this with his usual class. I also agree that Guy's hard predictions do himself and climate awareness a disservice. These failed predictions not only further the arguments of climate skeptics and deniers, it fuels the arguments of the green advocates as well.
Good on you Michael. Cleared the air I hope. Guys personality is as it is but, as you say, like it or not he deserves nothing but our enormous gratitude, understanding and respect. I enjoyed yr honest, kind response.
Thanks, Michael! I agree that Guy deserves my gratitude and honor. That's why I created this video, of course. Big cyberhug, ~ Michael
@@thegreatstory … and thanks fr the note of love at the end dear brother 🙏🏼 I missed it first time around as I didn’t quite get to the complete end!
@@LivingintheTimeofDying I was wondering if you made it that far (and why I asked you for a photo). 🙂
@@thegreatstory I’d forgotten and suddenly remembered as it came out. A treat. :-)
Thank you for this video Michael, and thank you even more for sharing the extensive conversations in the comments section.
Much of this conversation overlaps with a focus of mine for the past five years or so... I've been tracking the qualities of relationship, the relationship public dynamics, and the seemingly growing distance not only between warring political or cultural groups... but also between people who are very close to one another on a spectrum of being: Collapse-Aware, Collapse-Acceptant, Collapse-Doulas, Adoring Climate-Conscious Parents, Concerned Climate Scientists, Environmental Activists, and so on... one thing we all have in common is our awareness that we are, right now, in the midst of the most challenging, predicament-filled time in human history.
We are all still deluged daily by the firehose of doom-filled headlines interspersed with major doses of cynical propaganda by corporations, governments and MSM. We are now globally able to gaslight the sensitive people among us for even the slightest mention of negative environmental or social indicators - much less the mention of the now ubiquitous human-caused collapse of Earth and Human Systems.
We are clearly living through the shredding self-termination of our fossil fuel driven parade through a self.-devised Magical Kingdom.
Somehow we Collapsatarians seem to think that we aren't as saturated in the Business as Usual shadow and cynical drivers, and trauma-filled stress behaviors, as the rest of the world. We are all very poorly equipped or trained or evolved to be facing this existential-level era.
What I'm getting to with all of this is acknowledging the heartbreak involved as we watch each other be so very hard on each other... and are ourselves so very fragile, so saturated with the generations of trauma that came with that parade through the Magical Kingdom.
I guess I'm inviting those who concur to continue to desaturate as best we can... and continue to tenderly reach out to one another. (I consider this long Comments thread one way of tenderly reaching out.) perhaps in small pockets around the world kindred wounded spirits can reach out in various ways, to find some healing, perhaps share practices for desaturating from BAU... to no-kidding, experience some of that special substance that some say will be the only thing that remains when this whole parade grinds to a halt.... love.*
* Yes, this is a major tip of the hat to Dr McPherson and Pauline. Thank you both for holding out this candle of love
for others to follow - and your deep integrity to keep offering up the most painful truth humans have ever had to
consider. Thank you both.
Dean Walker
Living Resilience
Poetry of Predicament Podcast / TH-cam channel
Beautiful, Dean...thank you, brother! And thanks for acknowledging Guy and Pauline's invaluable leadership and ongoing contributions to this larger community. I just read this aloud to Connie (sitting with coffees on our porch in Ypsi, Michigan in the early morning) and she thought it was excellent, too. Love you!
I really appreciate your comment, Dean :)
@@EnvironmentalCoffeehouse Official Debunking of the MEERS Project just received by Professor Raymond Pierrehumbert, the world's top expert on abrupt global warming... "Raymond Pierrehumbert 12:52 PM (1 hour ago)
to me
Yes, you are absolutely right. Ground mirrors have exactly the same problems regarding millennial commitment and risk of termination shock as stratospheric aerosols and marine boundary cloud brightening. There is no sense in which they “buy time.” They actually involve even greater risks than the considerable risks posed already by stratospheric aerosols, since hemispherically asymmetric albedo forcing, or altered land sea difference in albedo is known to cause major changes in circulation systems and rainfall. patterns.
-Ray"
Brother Michael, I have much respect for your work. The resource page at Post Doom, I visit often. Thank you for the audio reading of "Overshoot." I listened to it several times.. I've read over a dozen books that I first heard of from you. I love your passion for the work that you are doing. I consider you as my brother. Guy's work has fed me so much information. I admire him. Keep up the good work. You have helped a lot. Peace to you. Much love and respect.
Thank you, John! Peace and love to you, too, brother!
You're a good person Rev. This message should clear the air and even spark a friendship, it's an excellent effort in reaching your hand out to Guy... (You bet we all look forward to his response now, you've given me something to live for 🤣).
Thanks, Matt! Guy has been so wounded, I would't be surprised (and wouldn't hold it against him) if he doesn't watch this video, nor reply to me. I had to mae this video to be in integrity with myself and the larger doomer and post-doomer and collapse communities.
@@thegreatstory You are not short of integrity sir. Thanks for your work.
I hope Guy does a response follow-up, but without the very serious intro music.
@@juliebarks3195 Response is in, they wont be hugging it out. It's got Pauline truly pissed off!
Stay cool in that heat you're having.
Stay cool...
@@thegreatstory If you take Christianity seriously then you should read Professor David F. Noble's series of books - he was formerly at MIT in History. He writes a great expose on the "Religion of Technology" as his 1996 book and ties this to Christianity and also Platonic philosophy and mathematics. I've taken this to a deeper level also. His final book, "Beyond the Promised Land" takes this analysis of religion deeper back to Sumeria.
I'm about half way through your published youtube. Had to take a break a make a rare comment for me, that is, on this platform. You mentioned near the beginning that Guy has contributed something singular - his website summary of all the science literature, which is now five years old! I agree strongly with you here, this is, and was, his strongest contribution! But ..... it is 5 years old! This is a big problem, as I see it. I understand why he discontinued it, from what he later stated in the progression of his youtube presentations. Who else is out there that has, or perhaps is about to fill in this gap of where Guy stopped. I remember when I first saw his amazing summary, and downloaded the long list, and started going through the items. It was very liberating. I always looked forward to Guy's kernels of analyses that followed, even though they occurred every now and then. And, to end, I strongly agree with with the imperative, to be kind and compassionate to others, as you seem to understand!
Thank you for this. Guy certainly opened my eyes over a decade ago. Thanks for all these wonderful talks
You're most welcome.
Now that Michael has passed, I hope Guy comes to some healing around his broken relationships. Death makes this impossible for his relationship with Michael, but its imminence perhaps will nudge him toward fixing others.
I have learned so much from both men, and have been able to adjust my life accordingly.
Guy Mcpherson was the guy that waked me up and did make abrupt climate change intressting still today!!
Yup!
Thank you Michael for the great video. Wow. Every time, I just completely wowed. Love all of the references, love your commentary, and most of all your spirit of kindness, love, and positivity. So refreshing. Not to mention The gobs and gobs of information on the state of the biosphere and modern civilization you draw from are incredible. Love your work!
Wow, thank you, Aubrey, for this kind, generous, and enthusiastic note! Does an old guy (63) good to read such loving and encouraging words in the morning while I'm out on my porch drinking coffee. Bless you! 🙂
Hi Michael
For starters I have really enjoyed your interviews over the years!
A friend shared with me Guy on May 5th 2018 and boy did I become awake Fast! I share the David Roberts Ted talk "Climate change is Simple" often to people who are trying to get up to speed. David is a very effective communicator and he is able to communicate a complex subject in a nonthreatening way.
David did a podcast interviewing Dr Ye last June which is the second one down on MEER's new website.
Your knowledge and vast reading are impressive Michael. I would like to see an interview with you and Ye Tao sometime in the future.
Thanks !
Dr. Yea Tao is, as far as I can tell, a truly amazing, brilliant, big-hearted man. Yes, perhaps I should schedule a PD convo with him because, currently, I'm not convinced his MEER project is not just another example of techno-hopium (see #5, especially).
“Hopium” (definition)…
1. A comforting vision of the future that requires breaking the laws of physics, biology, or ecology.
2. Addiction to false (literally, impossible) hopes.
3. Irrational or unwarranted optimism that promises short-term relief but delivers crushing disappointment and despair when reality inevitably bites.
4. Any ‘hope’ that leads us to put off or not prioritize what matters most - individually and collectively.
5. Believing the climate crisis can be ‘fixed’ or ‘solved’ by doubling down on the very things driving ecocide.
As I see it, these are the "Five Main Causes and Drivers of Collapse and Ecocide":
1. Anthropocentrism - human-centered religious values, worldview
2. Civilization - extractive, exploitative, totalitarian / overshoot-R-Us
3. Technology - science/tech: ‘Man: conqueror of nature’ / electricity
4. Progress - how we measure “wealth”, “wellbeing”, and “success”
5. Economics - trade/money systems that incentivize evil, ecocide
SEE HERE: (scroll to bottom post): problemspredicamentsandtechnology.blogspot.com/search?q=More+Bright+Green+lies
This is a wonderful tribute to Guy McPherson and his work. I hope he receives it in the spirit intended. Most sad that we humans will become extinct so soon. I thought we’d be around at least until our sun started sputtering out and dying.
Thank you, BJL.
Guy has a true friend with M.Dowd, still standing at his side, faithful and true, although Guy has lost all trust it seems in anyone. hope Guy finds a way to figure out who his friends and foes really are, because it is so true: only love remains in the age of extinction. thank you Michael for being the way you are!
Thank YOU, Thunder storm, for this generous, heartful comment!
Don't forget Kevin Hester in NZ: a true compatriot of GM.
@@IanGrahamOld99 that is absolutly true, thank you.
@@IanGrahamOld99 I didn't; I agree. Did you turn off before here? th-cam.com/video/MXdMj-Mb6Z4/w-d-xo.html
what a great video. he is my hero as well and has clearly been traumatized. only compassion, understanding and love remain...
I am so glad that you decided to clear the air as far as Guy is concerned. It's sad that Guy isn't seeing his own worth. Like so very many he opened my eyes to the rapid and the irreversible course we humans are on. The opportunity to change course is in the rear view mirror now. We are along for the ride where ever it takes us. Guy and yourself are just telling the truth. To live our lives with intention for as long as we have left.
Thank you for this generous and supportive comment, Jimbo!
Beautiful humility and graciousness , lovely modeling for us all, thank you
Thank YOU for this generous comment, Stephen!
A very humble and heartfelt video of admiration for the much maligned Prof G. McP. Who does tend to take things to heart, but perhaps for obvious and understandable reasons. His bedside manner has improved considerably over recent years though and his dedication never falters. So thank you for your honesty Mike. We all know the awkwardness of our 'Locutus' ... And we love him for it.
Thanks for this comment!
Thanks for your words for Guy. I think he is the only one really telling and being honest with humanity and now his message is coming to terms with reality. I d like to hear more of the people you mentioned come to terms with recognizing they were wrong and apologize. Let's see who is really humble of that bunch.
You say, "I'd like to hear more of the people you mentioned come to terms with recognizing they were wrong and apologize." Yea, I'd love to see that, too!! Unfortunately, publicly admitting when we are/were wrong and apologizing for it is a skill-set in short supply these days... especially in the collapse-accepting community.
@@thegreatstory in simple words, ego is more powerful than truth even if it means the destruction of humanity. Taking with it the biosphere. I am even surprise at the magnitude of these words. See how insane humanity has become with materialism...? It's beyond insane.
Just finished the video, great job Michael! I have relationships that need work and have taken important lessons from your kind and honest approach.FWIW, I also cut my collapse teeth with Guy at NBL, still watch his stuff sometimes and I'm thankful for all his work. Collapse and grief work isn't easy stuff, thanks for your ongoing work at Postdoom, I'm learning a lot of healthy coping tools.
Wow, what a treat to read this comment first thing upon rising this beautiful morning! (I haven't even had my first cup of coffee yet. 🙂) Thank you, Philip!
youir presentation had me in tears of joy and sadness thank you for humanity and treuth
Wow, thanks for this generous comment, NL!
I appreciate that you have tried to reach out to Guy, and you show a lot of understanding for his situation. It is unfortunate that he's been somewhat unforgiving towards you. As a lay person I found it very difficult to accept the reality of what he was saying but deep down I knew he was right, I'm pleased that Guy is not a lone voice on the matter of mankind's doom.
Update: Guy and Pauline have invited me several times over the last month or two to their community (Nature Bats Last) Zoom calls, which I've happily participated in.
Your work and Guy's have informed me of the impending and overwhelming catastrophy becoming reality all around us.
Message written in 40C heat in the UK... nuff said.
Yup.
As my children were growing up I used to take them with me on the occasional ‘save the planet’ demonstration. They used to ask why they had to come and I’d say ‘because my generation won’t take this opportunity to fix the problem, it’s going to be your generation that will have to fix the problem’. Then my kids grew up and started to say to me ‘it’s not our responsibility to fix the problem, we had little to do with creating the climate problem’. Then I grew up a bit and realised that it was going to be too late if we left it to our children to fix the problem and started doing everything in my own sphere of influence to get carbon neutral and went on a whole lot of demonstrations. Now I’m getting to be an old man I realise it’s already too late to fix the problem, I might die before the worst but my children will be trying to live through the hot house earth. That is how fast we have changed the planet.
Thanks for this, Ian! It's actually unfolding much faster and much worse than most people have any idea. Your children won't be living much (if any) longer than you. Virtually all of us will be living through TEOTWAWKI (The End Of The World As We Know It) simultaneously and will all pretty much be in the same boat at the same time. Also, just so you know... it was never possible to "fix" or "solve" the problem because we're dealing with a predicament, not a problem. See the top level videos on this page, if you'd like: postdoom.com/resources/ Also see: (A) 8-minute EPA segments from a 2013 episode HBO’s The Newsroom (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what climate scientists actually know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0 / And if you prefer reading to viewing, my sense of the future is summed up well in these four things:
(1) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/
(2) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723
(3) Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/
Dowd on McPherson,
is a perfect master class
on how to clear the air.
It is a thoroughly inspired &
truth-telling piece of writing,
informed by the anguish in Guy,
that Michael so clearly hears.
(Speaking from personal experience,
anguish is a perfectly appropriate response to gaslighting, etc..)
This is true compassion &
empathic witness in action.
It is unstopping the waters of my eyes
as I write these words.
It is an inspiration &
an example to us all.
There is not a whisper
of quibble or equivocation.
Even the one instance where
Michael pretends to dissemble,
it is only to emphasize his agreement
by the faintness of his complaint.
The only instance where Michael
wants to make it clear he truly disagrees,
he saves for the last.
Here he makes it crystal clear, that he, Michael,
contrary to Guy's misperception,
actually Loves Guy's work & his person also &
agrees with him in every essential.
This is the single error
he lays on his mentor.
Guy has been believing that Michael, (by proxy?),
has been speaking against him &
Michael sincerely insists that the opposite is true.
The rest is rumour.
Michael improves on his praise by providing
an extensive list of his picks of the best of Guy's work,
which he recommends as essential &
exemplary works in the NTHE corpus.
Nobody else in the exploding NTHE community
has been quite as much of a lightning rod as Guy.
He was here early,
he saw the picture clearly &
he spread the word widely.
It is no exaggeration to say
that his name is a meme,
indeed the meme, for doomer.
This singular distinction means
Guy carries a disproportionate weight.
As Michael says,
'I can't imagine anyone who has had
a bigger target on his back...
Nobody has been shot at more than Guy McPherson, I think,
because of the message he is carrying...
I Love Guy McPherson because he has done more
to bring our species' mortality to light
than anyone else & I deeply honour him for that.'
All the dirty tricks that the deniers,
delayers, destroyers & moneyers can muster,
need be applied to Guy alone & at once
it tars & silences the community as a whole.
He is our flag-bearer &
our leader & target.
Michael has bravely stepped up
to help him plant that flag,
singing robustly & lustily AfriZen's rousing
Hymn of the Apocalypse all the while,
'She bats last &
she's comin' out swinging...
She's had all that she can take...
It's payback time, motha-fuckas,
it's payback time.'
P.S.For my part I see no actual disparagement of Mother Nature in this song.
The hatred & the violence expressed
are the all-too-human ability to project our own failings, hard at work.
It is the irony of this demonic projection onto Nature/Our Mother/The Earth,
which I understand the songwriter to be referencing.)
Damn, Marinus! What an amazing, passionate, compassion, wise, and absofukinlootly fabulous comment! Thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU!!
@@thegreatstory If you want to understand the Mother Nature theme song of Nature's Bat Last try studying Louis de Broglie's Law of Phase Harmony.
Finally! someone speaking truth! McPherson got me into collapse after seeing one of his lectures many years ago. Now after researching climate change, meltdowns, geology and socio political sciences for many years I have come to the same conclusions as this video states. I've been saying exactly these things for a few years now.
Thank you for this comment, "robin hood"!
I kinda wanna see Guy do a documentary where he confronts all the doubters and haters
No need. Life's circumstances (including the accelerating collapse of the biosphere and industrial civilization) are pretty rapidly showing that Guy was either prescient, or interpreted the peer-reviewed literature accurately, or both.
@@thegreatstory Exactly. I think a lot of us have been carrying deep felt anxieties that are finally proving warranted. I've been gaslit for two decades and really want to see some people with cameras on their faces as a type of vicarious "told you so".
Met Dr. G and his lovely partner Pauline at a recent workshop at his home. They were gracious and kind. I especially like that he has always said that he doesn’t enjoy the message he must give and waits for the day when someone will prove him wrong. That day has never yet come. Every time I check his evidence he has it right. And a look around world news today is not a contradiction of the message, it reinforces it. S0 I will continue to follow his work knowing that at the end, “ only love remains.”
Precisely... thanks so much for this comment, Jan!
Dear Mr / Dr ? Dowd, forgive me if I have your title wrong but I do not know you nor you me. This video popped up on my feed and I initially dismissed it as I genuinely thought it was going to be a smear job on Mr McPherson rather than taking him on on the science which is perfectly legitimate, as courageously unwise as such a decision may be for some.
So I was not just pleased, but genuinely moved to hear you speak of Mr McPhearson in the manner you have, I can say I certainly understand how he must feel given I have been writing articles on and speaking about the glaring incompatibility of perpetual growth capitalism with the immutable physics that govern a finite world, for the last decade. Ive had conversations with and had my writings read by thousands, I've taken on many a denier in debate in effort to make them understand physics at play and leave them to come to their own determination from there. To little benefit in the end.
Some relevant quotes for our time from populare culture, and from Guy,
"God gave us a garden... and we paved it." - The expanse
"There are some things upon which science is Ill suited to advise."
- Guy on matters of faith and a belief in a greater consciousness beyond the mere physical confines of our reality and those who would attempt to use science to decry such.
For my part I am ever fascinated in (and frankly starved intellectually) ideas of how to rationalise God with our understanding of the universe. I was a raised a catholic and find myself explaining to many a right wing Christian that you can be rich or a Christian, not both simultaneously. And I have also tried to explain to them that the earth is not 6,000 years old and even the Vatican itself does not believe in that timescale nor of Genesis being literal. But "let there be light" is an awfully interesting way to describe the big bang using the more narrative speech of antiquity to my mind.
You also find deep polarisation on the idea of a "planned" universe. Some Christians believe God literally created all things while skeptics to atheist's rightly point out and prove the absurdity of that notion, but neither of them ever stopped to think critically about the matter. To my mind, if I were a being of ability to create reality to my will, with a full awareness of existence that no creature on this earth nor even this universe possesses, I can think of no better example of that than to like a program, craft fundamental laws (Einstein / standard model of physics) and within that create multi dimensional algorithms to utilise and combine those laws in infinitely diverse ways (Quantum physics) that unless you are able to stand out side the universe to view it as a whole, to those inside inquiring into such, has characteristics akin to magic in its complexity and absurdity of quantum physics when viewed in reality.
People say there are no miracles anymore, yet Ive seen a particle interact with another with no clear way for that to happen, Ive seen a particle in two places at the same time. There a miracles a plenty still to be seen, for although science has been my first love since I was 4, I have never been under the illusion that there is not more in heaven and earth than can be dreamt of in scientific philosophy.
As for humanity, if it is our time then it is our time, I am fine with that, because I know this world will go on, that life will eventually recover, and that without us, in time, it will become a garden once more.
p.s. Say a prayer for the dearly departed Michael C Rupert, without the foresight of whom, I would have never come to understand how little I knew back then.
Thank you for this in-depth and generous (and insightful!) comment, ArmyofAll! Here's a youtube playlist of mine that I'm quite certain you'll enjoy! 🙂 th-cam.com/play/PLcAlqMeyeaW9jp15vd-8nfmhf6Ka_jDug.html And here's my personal/media website: michaeldowd.org/
Thank you Michael for doing what you do - such important work. You have changed my life for the better during these frightening and crazy times. I was very surprised that your name was on Guy's hit list. You seem like a very ethical person, as is demonstrated in this video. All the best.
Thank you for your kind and generous comment!
I am starting to fully appreciate the complexity of Guy McPherson and even moreso with your own analysis. His work is our future and immediate existential crossroad. Planning ones death is the only event we do just once.
Precisely...thanks for this comment!
I am glad you made this. Thanks!
You're most welcome. My "soul" forced me to do this. Everybody I know and love (including my wife) originally thought it was a bad idea to attempt it. Thankfully, they all now see and can feel (by watching this version) what my heart was telling me to do.
@@thegreatstory Love is an active noun exemplified in this thoughtful examination of the misunderstanding. Thanks again for sharing your thousands of hours of investigative research with me and the 🌎.
Put all the tipping points together and Guy is of course correct about imminent loss of habitat. Earth is about to look like her twin Venus, who unluckily started a bit closer to the sun. Humanity and it's morons will imminently destroy every living creature with the run away heating we started.
There's not enough carbon on planet earth to turn us into Venus
@@MrDac0wgirl 🤣Facts dont stop me! I like the metaphor
@@mhdhunter good for you! YOLO
Well said, Matt.
Love you Matt :)
As the person who wrote the comment, "Only love remains, now stop asking me stupid questions"--Some Guy..I would say that is a sincerely accurate statement..I would also agree that if I had Guy's genes, experiences, etc., I would be the same person he is, like you clearly state several times..I can't help it's a contradiction I notice all the time within his videos..If I didn't notice glaring contradictions, I wouldn't follow this channel, it would be Greek to me...Guy has a bitterness that shines through the evidence he presents, is it understandable, probably so...But me acknowledging it, isn't untrue because he woke most of you guys from your slumber...We all have contradictions in our lives, that's just part of being human of course, on the other hand, when your public motto is, "Only love remains", and you constantly degrade people, that is just something I'm going to notice..Now, if Michael Dowd's motto was "only love remains", that would align with his behavior, there would be no obvious contradiction..All of that being said, I don't have anything against the Guy, just pointing out the obvious, don't shoot me for it..Peace....
Thank you so much for outing yourself, "real eyes realize real lies", and for this honest, generous, and heartful comment! Just in the last two days (largely thanks to Pauline being straight with me in a comment, below) I have come to the realization of just how unfair and counterproductive for the larger NTHE community it is for a neurotypical religious naturalist eco-theologian like me to judge a neurodiverse synthesis scientists and teacher like Guy according to MY definitions of love and healthy relating. I'm quite certain he's as big-hearted as I am; we just express it differently. I'll be mentioning this shift in my "Hopium Dealers Hall of Fame (with a Nod to Guy McPherson" video I hope to finish recording tomorrow. In any event, thanks, again, for this comment! Big cyberhug ~ Michael
Guy is the Guru of climate collapse
Agreed.
@@thegreatstory then why did you always downplay extinction to some far off date? No, man!
@@practicetrack Not sure what you're referring to. For at least 4-5 years now I've known and have said that there's a way better than 50% chance in my mind that most mammals (including humans) will be extinct within 10-15 years and a better than 90% chance within 20 years. Functional extinction is a certainty. The near-term extinction of Homo colossus is a certainty. And the full blown, total extinction of Homo sapiens a strong likelihood, as I read the evidence, in the not-too-distant future. (I suspect by 2040 if not sooner.) Whether Guy is correct (NTHE by 2026-2030) remains to be seen. But I would't bet against it.
@@thegreatstory for those of us that recognize we don't have that much time, and then someone like Guy helps us see the science and info thay proves our theory was correct...no. you don't get to kick the can down the road and promote a hopoum furitistic date. It's disrespectful as hell man!
@@practicetrack Chill. I'm friend, no foe. I fully accept that this is probably the last decade for 80-100% of humanity.
I‘m a gardiner in Germany and realized in 2018, that something had profoundly changed. So I started the Research and as I remember with a denier-video and 15 minutes hope. But it was so obvious false - and with more research I understood that it was worse than I thought.
It‘s good to hear your very positive opinion on him, think you!
Thanks for your comment.
It's a very human thing to fight over personal stuff at the edge of the precipice.
Thanks for this summary of your work and colleges. Yes, you have always supported Guy McPherson as indeed we all should.
Thank you, David.
I understand why Guy Mcpherson is quite protective and isolated with his work and who he will interact with regarding his work. When you get attacked from all angles, all the time, you get tired of it. It wears you down. When the evidence is available in copious amounts that humanity is in deep do-do, why would you want to continue to listen to comments from the peanut gallery that you are wrong, or even nuts especially when those negative comments don't contribute in any meaningful way.
Guy is taking the route I would take, share your message of what you see happening, provide the evidence, and allow others to come around on their own. For those who continue to deny what's happening, they will eventually receive their lesson in reality when the hourglass runs out.
I feel like those of us who can see what's happening on this planet are like the officers on the bridge of Titanic around midnight on April 15, 1912. We know what's happened and we know how this will end, in very short order. When will the panic begin to take hold of society as our ship sinks? Because make no mistake, that panic is coming.
thank you and looking forward to your next stuff
thanks, bro
As a confirmed atheist i really appreciate your spiritual approach here, Michael. I am a confirmed doomer, and am constantly challenged when gently broaching this subject with people. Will definitely recommend this video. Be happy and healthy... BTW Have you read 'The Road Less Travelled' by M. Scott Peck? Great chapter on love...
Thanks, Russ! If you've not yet seen my best "Eco-theo" videos, I think you'll like them: th-cam.com/play/PLcAlqMeyeaW9jp15vd-8nfmhf6Ka_jDug.html There's nothing in them that any atheist can object to... I know because I've presented this material to hundreds of groups of humanists, atheists, skeptics, and freethinkers.
Yes, I read Scott Peck's "The Road Less Traveled" twice as I recall, and agree that the chapter on love is excellent. decades ago. Unfortunately, Brother Scott was not able to live his own message very well. Still, a wonderful contribution!
Bravo! This video has been in the Recommended section TH-cam provides on my login for some time. When I saw the image, I immediately dismissed it as a likely a hit piece. After watching the video, I was pleasantly surprised and found it very honorable. Likewise, I have a great deal of respect for Guy even despite him being rather cruel to me in the course of what I felt were valid questions. I understand this is part of his defensive nature and don't hold it against him. Thank you for your interpretation.
Thanks, Tim! Delighted that you moved past your initial reaction to the image. 🙂
Excellent travail, bravo et merci beaucoup !
Guy has always been a very cool person with me. He answers my email almost immediately. I consider him a great friend and a genuine person. His message is a hard one to swallow and without doubt many who cast a poor image of him are just suffering from Cognitive Dissonance. The human species on this planet was never going to last forever, Unfortunately our ignorance concerning our actions and the affects in unbalancing nature has caused a failure of further existence. Our inability to think about the consequences of our civilization is catastrophic for all life on our planet, something that is certainly very unique and extraordinarily in the entire universe. It is sad that our species has proven to be far less than intelligent life.
Wonderful, Winstin! I agree with your comment fully. And I'm delighted that you and Guy have a good relationship.
I first ran into Dr. McPherson's work about 12 years ago. At that time he was saying we would all be dead in 5 years. What is his current estimate of the NTHE timeframe?
Not sure he ever said 5 years in 2010 but, even if he did, I wouldn't hold it against him too severely. I believe (though am not certain) that he thinks most, if not all, plants and animals are likely to die this decade. Personally, I don't like pronouncements that can be interpreted as predications, which is why I tend to shy away from that kind of speech. But I, for one, surely wouldn't bet against anyone arguing that functional (if not absolute) extinction of many (perhaps most) species of fish, insects, trees, mammals, and vertebrates by 2040 is likely.
My own sense of the future, for what it’s worth, is summed up well in these four things:
(1) 8-minute EPA segments from a 2013 episode HBO’s The Newsroom (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what climate scientists actually know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0
(2) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/
(3) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723
(4) Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/
I am grateful on this focus on relationship. It makes the term scientific “community” more real.
On matters of substance the edge of extinction is a reality.
On matters of prediction for things ending, I think the degree of probability is the best way to speak of human extinction. I say that because Theologically there is possibility that is active, perceivable but not yet completely revealed or measured. I don’t subscribe to Nietzsche’s hopeless, meaningless reality as fully as many moderns seem to do.
Interesting video. I can't even imagine Michael of Paul Beckwith doing anything that would count as defaming towards Guy at least knowingly. I respect Guy for sticking to his guns along with the work that he has put into tying ecology and abrupt runaway climate change but he strikes me a broken person in his personal life. He comes across as rigid and untrusting to a fault but I can't deny intellect and work ethic
Thanks for your comment!
Guy is a complete anomaly.
I don't know of one person who chose the path he chose and stuck with it.
If you seek the truth and are unbending then that's admirable.
My interpretation of McPherson's angst is jealousy because he feels he was the original messenger of doom & now hordes of others have jumped on the bandwagon & he wants it for himself.
His claims that others are plagiarising his work does come over as paranoia because such others are merely using the same data that he has accessed - for which he has no divine right to use just for himself. He also cries looking for some kind of sympathy about having to leave Belize & return to the US as if it constituted some noble great self sacrifice - which is suggestive of some form of narcissism.
In summary, he has made valuable contributions in highlighting our doom trajectory, but there is room for the views of many others too, who he mostly seems to have alienated for whatever reasons, tho' paranoia springs readily to mind.
Thanks for your comment, Mike.
@@thegreatstory To be honest my first realization of the scale & depth of environmental threats came from Lester R Brown's writings in the early 1990s, & the videos of him discussing his book "World on the Edge". I became aware of McPherson's views later with its prophecies of doom, which caused me to seek out a broader spectrum of environmental reporting & views. He has stuck his neck out further than most by predicting dates for various apocalyptic end times. However he had a great opportunity to see his global dimming paradox unwind in 2020 as global industries closed down with Covid restrictions - but the sudden warming didn't happen, or is it a delayed effect which is catching up now?
@@mikeharrington5593 Mark Twain (or someone equally famous) said something along the lines of "Predicting is always risky, especially when it's about the future" 🙂 When I speak of Guy as "a modern-day prophet", I am, of course, only speaking naturalistically. From a religious naturalist perspective: religious-naturalist-association.org/ a "prophet" is simply one who speaks on behalf of reality with unflinching courage. It's got nothing to do with channeling an omniscient, otherworldly being, nor accurately predicting the future. Having said that, personally, I would not bet against McPherson being close to correct... few, if any, humans and other mammals and vertebrates by 2030. Personally ,I don't see any way that of avoiding or side-stepping MANY tipping points we have already passed, combined with the loss of aerosol masking, combined with dozens (or possibly hundreds) of nuclear meltdowns. Truly, we're at TEOTWAWKI and quite possible NTHE.
Great discussion
17:48 - 17:55 thank you for answering my question from a while ago. So you DO think it is physically possible to do something. But like me, you are convinced we wont do it...I think that is what most people don’t get. It will be like in the movie don’t look up. We might have the means to help ourselves, but our values are somewhere else. And aligning them with reality will take too long. That is the real reason we are in collapse.
21:48 Never heard that song for some reason, even though I follow Guy. I guess I never listened to the lyrics and just noticed the music in the back. But you singing that lyrics was cringe par excellence. You really brought home the point that your communication about mother nature is different. I am on your side. Nature does not hate us. Aliens would say that we hate nature. Nature is trying to save us all the time. We are just not listening and refuse any help. Thinking that we know better.
I believe that for most humans their brains are configured, with the aid of the ego, to reject the possibility that our species has developed a fatal flaw that will not only result in our extinction but that of much of the life support systems of this planet. If we had had such insights many of us might not have survived into adulthood and then added more of our kind, now over 8-billion and still climbing rapidly.
@@vernonbrechin4207 When I tell reasonable people that we are in overshoot they look at me as if I fell from the moon (best case) or start yelling at me for what an idiot or eugenicist I am to think that (worst case scenario). Very very rarely do I meet anybody that understands the problem of overshoot. They try to dismiss it on the grounds that the population growth factor is declining. They ignore the fact that its still on the exponential curve and they also ignore the fact that we are not the only organism on this planet that wants to thrive. Not to mention ignoring the fact that we depend on all other life for our own existence. To think humans can somehow survive while the rest of the planets is going into a mass extinction is the cherry on the cake of hubris. I am trying to have the talk with people also. My channels is more or less about the same thing. Just my approach is "a little" different. Not much more effective I have to say in hindsight...
@@KosaBrin Thanks for your comments! With respect to communicating collapse and overshoot to others, may find some of the videos on this page useful: postdoom.com/resources/ Here, too: postdoom.com/discussions/
@@KosaBrin we are nature. Our love and hate are nature.
I would like you to think on this: "Stone is the substance of stewards; metal is the stuff of destroyers and usurpers." That occured to me as I inventoried the impact my ancient style copper foundry has compared to my flint working station. This isn't the issue though; it isn't about the mess and toxic elements left from smelting and casting copper but is in fact the work I planned on doing with my copper axe. Without any effort the copper axe lets me level habitats before lunch, without realising. Where as with the stone axe there isn't enough time or tool to destroy in the same way.
When I venture into the mountains with stone tools I feel I am part of the mountains. When I carry copper and steel I have a sense of control; a desire to rule. Our motivations and weaknesses have put us here, it isn't the steel. It is what powerful things do to our immature intellects and poor self discipline. The bank will always think money is the most important thing and they will convince you of that. Politicians think administrative powers are what is important and expect you to fuse that idea to you and make you pick a side. Then there is religion, which in my opinion, is the same as the politics. All this bickering. Yet all of our ancestors, as well as every single living thing lives. I believe we have all of us missed the point of this place, the only place in all the cosmos where we know there to be life.
Traditional peoples (including, to my knowledge, the Lakota of the North American Great Plains and the Luo of the Great Lakes region of East Africa) revere rocks, stones, and boulders as not only integral parts of the earthly environment but as actual sentient beings: persons, and ancestors, to be treated with the utmost respect.
Thank you, Chris, for this most insightful comment!! Dbagagna, thanks for your comment, too. I think the phrase "with the utmost resect" is key. Whether or not the non-animate parts of the biosphere are alive or conscious or whatever is secondary to this question: "Is how we're thinking about everything we rely on furthering humility or hubris? Does of way of languaging and thinking about various aspects of reality evoke RELATING with utmost respect or relating as a mere object to be used? I cover some of this in my video, "Sustainability 101: Indigenuity Is Not Optional": th-cam.com/video/bCZqpdOM8sg/w-d-xo.html
This presentation expressed a lot of humility.
Thanks for your comment!
I appreciate this video a lot - like so many others I've heard the last few months.
Chop Carry, thanks for sharing all this but the evidence simply doesn't support the claim that "many would agree" with you. This video has garnered nearly 600 comments and 98% of them are positive; some even moving me to tears. I've been called many things in my life but "passive aggressive" is not one of them. 🙂(I have no trouble being passive and can easily be aggressive, but I cannot ever remember being both at the same time. Did you watch this video to the end, where I speak about why I used the tombstone image? I invite you to do so, as well as to take some time and carefully read a few dozen of the comments. Still...thank you for voicing this! I did, in fact, pretty much ruin two perfectly good collegial friendships with my use of the tombstone pix... Beril and William.
I respect Guy McPherson's work. I am not a scientist or person of note. I do think that he obsessed about all this, and has become paranoid of everyone.
Yea, it can happen to the best of us, for sure. I'm just grateful I didn't have to deal with all the slings and arrows he did.
Mr. Dowd you are no longer with us in the flesh.
God bless you and may you rest in peace.
No longer call myself a Christian, but I still really love that 1 Corinthians passage about love. At one time I remembered it word for word. Good to revisit it.
I appreciated this perspective, focusing on compassion. I've been wondering about some of the darker, more personal allegations against Guy McPherson, and if I'm honest, I still have some concerns about that. It's hard to say what might be disinformation, even after a ton of looking into it, and what might be a pattern of abusive behavior. But I do like how McPherson lays out his arguments, and his strident presentation is certainly appropriate, given the scale and magnitude and the way he's been scapegoated by more technoptimtismic actors in this domain.
Yup. I agree. Thanks for commenting.
Michael, I’ve followed you online, youtube, and Sound Cloud. I’m so thankful for your intellect, humanity and grace in this current broadcast and in all your past efforts. Please accept my deepest thanks.
Wow, thank you for this comment. I've got a big smile on my face!
Couldn't have said it better - totally agree. Deepest thanks, Michael!
McPherson is telling the truth. But hes obviously going through a lot. And the weight he is carrying must be isolating . We’re all going through emotional change. Quote from a song. CELEBRATE THE PARTIES OVER IM GOING HOME.
We have to turn of the nuclear plants now, which will take 60 years to decommission. We are in struggle.
Unfortunately, I don't see any way of avoiding dozens of nuclear meltdowns, and quite possibly hundreds of them.
Thank you or the summary of Guy's work. I will watch/read the works that I have missed. Thank you for saying that animal life under the Earth will likely survive the upcoming collapse. I will research Stephen Jenkinson's work as you recommend so thanks for that as well.
You're most welcome, Diane. My hope is that, as a result of this video, more people will give Guy a fair hearing and come to appreciate the immeasurable challenges he has had to bear being the first one to give voice to (as I said in the video) "THE most repulsive scientific knowledge in human history."
I follow McPherson and have also thought he has a persecution complex. Not that he hasn't been persecuted. It is just that he cannot bend and cannot forgive.
In my (albeit limited) experience, that's not uncommon for brilliant neuro-diverse people - men, in particular.
Guy is one of my heroes and he is the one that has made the way i think about the world happen. The way that us humans have treat it like shit ,thinking it won't be biting us on the ass in return, but it is now going to do just that, this is the biggest and saddest joke that man kind has played on its self! Now i live my life to be the best man i can be and love the ones i love and live my life in the know, all 👍thanks to him!
Good for you, Phillip! Thanks for honoring Guy, too!
LOL !
"... Even if we woke up the next morning as Eco-Saints...."
Not happening, Baby!
Yup, I agree. 🙂
I’m in conflict as to weather to share this with others. I might connect but is it right for me to potentially turn the unaware lives upside down?
If you're hesitant to share this one with others, perhaps one of the top ones on this page would be a better fit? You decide: postdoom.com/resources/ Also (especially) see the three videos on this page: postdoom.com/discussions/
@@thegreatstory thanks
i'm confused a bit- why mention the work "god" in any of this?
I don't. I only mention, very briefly and practically in passing, "G🌎D" - and the difference is astronomical. Truly. See here if you're interested in knowing more about something that most people understandably don't give a shit about, but an "eco-theologian" like me values highly: "G🌎D - Owning Our Error, Accepting Our Fate" th-cam.com/video/DEDvM8Agmw4/w-d-xo.html
I have to respect anyone who is telling the truth about abrupt irreversible climate change and the devastating effects it is SOON to have on humanity and all life. (Surface life)
I understand the desire to keep people blissfully ignorant, but some of us would rather know the truth and reality of the situation.
Sadly, few here get the impact of two of the great NEGATIVE feedbacks to warming:
1. The heat radiation and evaporation of open polar oceans in winter, as opposed to an insulating ice sheet.
2. The power of the "black body radiation" curve that increases outward radiance by the FOURTH POWER of temperature, AND shifts the spectrum of that radiation to find new outlets bypassing greenhouse gas effects.
Thanks for posting this here, Bookhermit. You're right, few people are aware that negative (self-limiting) feedbacks even exist.
@@thegreatstory I can't understand it.
@@dbadagna As I understand it, a "negative feedback loop" would like if the AMOC (Gulf Stream) shut down and caused cooling, rather than warming, in Europe and elsewhere. See here: energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Negative_climate_feedback and here: earthhow.com/climate-feedback-loops/ Most scientists see "positive" (self-reinforcing) feedback loops as the real issue, and what will probably do us in sooner rather than later (Bookhermit will no doubt take issue with this.) See here: www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/how-feedback-loops-are-making-climate-crisis-worse and here: dptv.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/buac20-912-sci-ess-posnegfeedbacks/positive-and-negative-feedbacks-in-the-earth-system/ and, finally, here (something I wrote that talks about multiple tipping points and feedback loops): howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/
@@firstnamelastname-ej7ul Thank you for jumping in on this important point. IMHO, those who believe or claim that negative feedback loops can or will offset or counteract the dozens of positive (self-reinforcing) once already in play are serious hopium addicts.
You'll never get in any trouble speaking the truth, if the truth you're speaking is what is generally believed to be true. To the degree that the truth you're speaking differs from common understanding, is the degree to which you WILL get into trouble. It doesn't matter how true your truth is which causes the trouble, but rather the degree to which your new truth upsets the apple cart. So when Guy, or anyone, speaks of a truth that literally spills all the apples, the persecution will be as merciless and intense as it has been. Michael's description of Guy as a prophet is exactly on target. Throughout all history prophets have been persecuted and isolated while alive and lionized after their death. The bible speaks of Noah as a hero, but he was only able to build one boat.
Thank you for your comment, Bill! (Of course, I wholeheartedly agree.)
I think Guy has been on point, (in every sense) for so long, Its surprised me that he maintained his logical referenced position on the prospects of life on Earth. In the face of continuous, strenuous opposition and obstacles preventing his message achieving a wider audience and recognition. If he’s tired and bitter, I do understand him feeling that way, even if his targets for accusation of disrepute maybe misguided or simply mistaken. His long service to the truth of the matter makes me only have compassion for him as a tireless campaigner against the orchestrated media silent science of gradually lifting the veil of hope, on the ugly reality of life’s prospects on this planet. Sooner than we want or are prepared for, life will be inevitably hot, wet, hungry, thirsty, stormy, violent and shorter that we could ever imagine for ourselves, our family and our communities across the globe.
Wow, REALLY well said, Siri! Thank you. (I fully agree with you, of course.)
Well timed for me Michael. Just watched his conversation with Stuart Scott again. And indeed saw the video where you were referred to.
Would you mind sharing that link, I’ve difficulty finding it🙏
@@deirdreryan6253 Hi Deirdre. The conversation with Stuart Scott was in two parts. Part 1 here: th-cam.com/video/RQJi2s0kefM/w-d-xo.html
I can see why Guy doesn't want to talk to you. You list your interpretation of love as being divergent from that of Guy. When actually your interpretation of love is exactly what Guy is also saying. I respect the work that both of you are doing and will continue to listen to both of you.
Good observation, Carolyn. Pauline and discussed all this last year (here in the comments section) after I posted this originally. I received her input and adjusted my message in my next video: "Hopium Dealers Hall of Fame (with a Nod to Guy McPherson): th-cam.com/video/g59vxAbof2s/w-d-xo.html Since then I've communicated with Guy and Pauline many times, especially since they've been inviting me the last six months on to their weekly NBL zoom calls.
@@thegreatstory Thanks for this reply. I am looking forward to viewing Hopium Dealers Hall of Fame.
Ice plus heat equals water.
Lots of ice plus lots of heat equals lots of water.
Lots and lots of ice plus lots and lots of heat equals lots and lots of water.
Well said, Bob!! 🙂
When I talk about climate destabilization I say by 2050 the biosphere will be toast but it could be as soon as 2030. If I say 2030 they dismiss it. But if I say 2050 with a chance that it could be 2030 they do start looking around and consider what I say. When I said GM statement of 2026 they won't listen.
Really excellent! I think I'll use that approach myself...thanks!!
Guy doesn’t seem to be interested in olive branches.
Not exactly a strength of brilliant neurodiverse men, in my experience. Pauline, his beloved, and I have had some really sweet (and clarifying) exchanges as a result of the comments section of this video and personal email exchanges, for which I am extremely grateful!
Well done!
Thanks.
Considering the hate that Guy has endured he does deserve being cut a break if he is angry. His work had a positive effect on my life strange as that sounds
Referring to 18:08
Dr. Mcpherson agnowledged “The Deep Hot Biosphere” (Sort of) in this presentation th-cam.com/video/KSASEcQ22Qw/w-d-xo.html Beginning at 1:13:56
Excellent...thank you!! (Not surprised and quite delighted, actually.) Good find...or if you're Guy, thanks! 🙂
Yes shure.
Look, one question;
How long do we have until starvation/ Mad Max/ Cannibal end pases???
As I say in several of my more important videos: Six (Repulsive) Truths Most People Don’t Know
1. All human-centered civilizations destroy their habitat, then self-destruct.
2. Technology & the market can’t save us from the ecocide they always create.
3. Climate change is not our main predicament - ecological overshoot is.
4. We are decades into abrupt climate mayhem, unstoppable collapse, and a mass extinction that will likely include most forests, insects, fish, mammals, human by 2040.
5. Denying the above increases the likelihood (inevitability?) of scores (hundreds?) of nuclear meltdowns this decade or next.
6. Most people WILL deny all this as long as possible (and will suffer accordingly).
On a related note, see here (140,000 views): th-cam.com/video/e6FcNgOHYoo/w-d-xo.html and here: postdoom.com/discussions/ and here: postdoom.com/resources/
@@thegreatstory
Thank you Señor Dowd that was a genius writing a sinthesis.
Seems the human brain & soul finds it hard to keep on daily life knowing there is no future, suppose thats why the people generate a menthal blockade shield wall to this truth.
But some can.
I honestly try to listen to Guy. But I gave up having to sit through his whining about personal problems. To this very day during interviews, he launches into the same drawn-out pattern of complaint. I would be listening to everything he puts out if he stuck to the science. He's way too wrapped up in himself to present a coherent presentation. If he had stuck to the science and not tried so hard to be a celebrity, and to include his listeners in his personal despair, he would be accessible to more doners.
Yes, a number of people have told me this has basically been their experience, too. Personally, I think he's doing the best he can given the internal and external resources available to him and the fact that the vas, VAST majority of people are predisposed to utterly reject his core message. Thanks for your comment.
I too respect what Guy has been trying to do and his staying true to the science as he sees it. For this fidelity to the truth as he sees it he has payed a great price. I don’t blame Guy for being resentful bc his life has basically been ruined for having the balls to state what so many thousands of scientists that know how dire the situation is yet keep their mouths shut in fear of being ostracized just like Guy.
Guy should try bragging about his willingness to endure the scrutiny of all these ppl unwilling to face reality or admit what they know to be true. I agree with the comment here that no one likes a victim or a whiner.
Bill Cooper too got a lot of criticism but he wore his stripes with pride which made him more endearing.
Guy should consider a podcast. The monologues get old. There he could defend his claims live with anyone disagreeing with him and let the truth speak for itself.
@@newdawnrising8110 Guy has a fairly long history of podcasting, actually. See here: naturebatslast.podbean.com/
@@newdawnrising8110 Good suggestion!
@@newdawnrising8110 he’s tired of defending the research done by in-the-field scientists. He has tried to remind people that he didn’t come up with the data! He just reads it and explains what it means in terms of living organisms and habitat.
He’s tired of trolls.
Which is why he stopped all comments on his videos. People can comment in the live chat during the premiere. And he will answer questions there. But he wants to spend more of his time living while we can. Not responding to trolls.
Thank you for this wonderful presentation. I will be sharing it with many people since I found it to be highly respectful towards Dr. Guy McPherson and his works. I see this as a great resource for other's to explore his works.
I've stuck with Guy's presentations for at least six years despite some slight disagreements with some of his defensiveness that I expected due to some external attacks.
I believe that Guy's efforts can be enhanced if he made an exception and followed through with your request to interview him.
I would still LOVE to have a "post-doom conversation" with Guy! The invitation is always open.
'in a relationship with him for a variety of reasons', lmfao. Sorry dude, I am 10:20 in and found that comment really funny given a certain context hehehe. More seriously, I've found Guy a really engaging speaker and someone who has definitely influenced me in a positive direction. He also really liked a poem I once sent him.
guy mcpherson's history of failed predictions speaks for itself
What annoys me about McPherson is his inability to explain why climate is a fast moving train heading for the buffers. He waffles on about indiutrial civilisation etc and then drifts around appealing to emotions. That has lost him credibility. A scientific analysis of climate as a catastrophe also requires a scientific explanation of why capitalism, and NOT industrialisation per se, MUST end in disaster.
Of course capitalism must end in disaster. In fact, EVERY money-based economic system in human history has proven ecocidal precisely BECAUSE it treated the biosphere as merely an "it" to be exploited rather than a "Thou" or "community of kin" to be honored and respected and preserved as a primary sacred responsibility. If you're interested, my own sense of the near-term (and beyond) future is summed up well in these four things:
(1) 8-minute EPA segments from a 2013 episode HBO’s The Newsroom (the most accurate portrayal on American TV of what climate scientists actually know, but never say): www.dropbox.com/s/orq3tops40gftzo/The%20Newsroom%20%202013%20Environmental%20Protection%20Agency%20report%28EPA%29%3A%20Richard%20Westbrook%20scenes_1920x1080_MOV.mov?dl=0
(2) Overshoot: Where We Stand Now - guest post written by me: howtosavetheworld.ca/2021/09/21/overshoot-where-we-stand-now-guest-post-by-michael-dowd/
(3) Time's Up: It's the End of the World, and We Know It - Salt Lake City Weekly cover article - by Jim Catano (features me and several colleagues): www.cityweekly.net/utah/times-up/Content?oid=17298723
(4) Climate Change and the Mitigation Myth - by Mark Brimblecombe: markbrimblecombeblog.wordpress.com/2021/01/18/climate-change-and-the-mitigation-myth/
Thank you for clarification. I have watched Guy for a very long time and wondered how much persecution he has been through. His information is solid although I wish he had your charisma and presentation. I also wonder why you and Guy and others on the list make your videos, seems a bit pointless if doom is around the corner and unavoidable.
Pointless?!? Are you kidding! NOTHING gives me more joy and is more fulfilling than creating videos like these: postdoom.com/resources/ and engaging in inspiring conversations like these: postdoom.com/resources/ Personally, I can't think of a more glorious and soul-nourishing thing to do with my time and energy than educating people about what's inevitable and unstoppable so that they can, hopefully, "live life fully and love the life they live" in the time we have left. Join us in our summer 2022 8-part series, "Death, Dying, and Sacred Endings": postdoom.com/discussions/
@@thegreatstory yes, this is enjoyable for you and that is apparent with your presentation. I certainly take from Guy more of a cathartic exercise, a need to release the demons. I, however, started working at helping mitigate and adapt in 1997. Upon finding Guy and realizing the entirety of my adult life was a scam, the past few years have been lensed by futility. Getting everyone to know the interconnected pointless of doing or not doing, to me is the height of futility.