heretic playthrough feels a bit underbaked. You lose a bunch of companions, you only have 1 that is heretic disposition, and don't get any special effects to really set it apart. I think something, such as having warp demons that come in due to warp instability be friendly towards you, or at least have them target enemies first.
@@demonic_myst4503 you have that even the replace in my experienced is bug as fuck but in heretical you can get 2 companions one been a CSM but not going to lie seems really unfinished like they released the game before finishing that path
5:30 She is kinda the navigator and they are neutral. Even loyalist Navigators helped the night lords because they are neutral parties. Now the knife ear also leaves because well, you are working with Chaos which Slaanesh does munch on their souls unless by the laughing god, stone shards or dark eldar tech.
honestly if the drukhari stays with a heretic just because they dont have to worry about slaanesh sucking their soul as long as their replenish their soul with suffering and excess then yrliet should be corruptible, probably not full on chaos eldar of course considering yrliets personality and the questionable circumstances of what or how chaos eldar are a thing besides the fact we know they exist on some planets especially within the eye of terror and i read something about chaos daemons princes of slaanesh, at least most of the very powerful ones, are mostly eldar that embraced slaanesh during the fall, but persuading her to follow the path of the dark eldar might be interesting. also one of the owlcat devs said if they make more DLC than what is currently planned,which is just void shadows and the one upcoming about imperial tithes thats gonna have an arbetes companion, they might explore more companion stuff and in his personal opinion that might not have anything to do with future development he said he would want to see the corruption of sister argenta into a heretic
Being a Rogue Trader, you have the licence to do whatever you want so long as you don't betray the Imperium or turn to Chaos. BUT, it doesn't stop your companions from leaving you to protect themselves. The Rogue Trader may have a ticket of immunity, but their retinue doesn't, a Rogue Trader's protection can only go so far and I'm glade this game has stark reminders that this is Warhammer 40K, not some fantasy universe where you can do what you want, it is the grim dark world of entrenched beliefs, entrenched attitudes and no one wins, they only endure; You can only get small victories that amount to nothing, the golden mean is an illusion and the only course of action you can take to keep stability and prosperity in your empire and maintain power to is to be an upstanding representative of the values of the Imperium, which means, fall in line and be dogmatic or toe the line and show a little tolerance as semi-iconoclastic such as the loyalist Primarchs as being the only path towards defeating Chaos. For the most part, the system exists because it has worked for thousands of years. Being Iconoclastic is tolerated because of your status, while being dogmatic is encouraged and preferred. Going the heretical path will make you an enemy of everyone and now you're the enemy too, your warrant won't protect you anymore, you're a pirate running a rogue state and the target of the wrath of the imperium. My run is semi-Iconoclastic and mostly Dogmatic; The *only* aliens I show any degree of tolerance towards are the Eldar as their enemies are our enemies and our differences are inconsequential next to the greater threat of the Archenemy; I know in the grand scheme of things the Eldar can be reasoned with and the blind hate towards them is out of fear and ignorance. But I am no fool, I know they don't care about humans and their interests are only in themselves, but I'd rather avoid being forced to kill a dying race who are better used as allies against chaos then wasting resources on destroying them too. As for all the other Xenos, they are enemies of mankind, they want to wipe out mankind and I in turn will deal with them swiftly. Of course I'd show the Tau the same level of tolerance as the Eldar, but the Tau exist on the other side of the Galaxy, so we'll never encounter them in this game, so it is a mute point.
It really doesn't work if you pay attention to the lore; half of the reason Chaos is so powerful is because the Imperium keeps feeding it everything it needs for its ascendancy. And the reason the aliens of the galaxy are so hostile, including the Tau and the Eldar, is precisely because the Imperium slaughtered every other alien that were not hyper aggressive. Tearing the sector away from the Imperium is quite literally the best thing you can do in this game.
Rouge Trader Tabletop has a book where an Inquisitor sends you to a remote and heretical world and Tau are there to reclaim an Ethereal that's being experimented upon.
@@1Maklak I found that book silly, because it represents lore conflict, not only is it a laughably lazy plagiarism of the Firewarrior video game but the Tau are not warp capable, so unless they somehow got there by bs luck because lazy writer, it makes no sense. Also it would take years to reach the Segnentum Ultra from the Khoronus Expanse by warp or webway and that would of been before the Great Rift formed. Now it is impossible.
@@foxdavion6865 True. The book mostly handwaves how the Tau got to the edge of Khoronus expanse and how they get home afterwards and basically says "they paid for the journey, don't worry about it".
Exactly it would break the game to lose her. They would have to immediately provide you with a new navigator who is heretical and at the inquisitions base no less.
@LeeroyGaming or shown how your nature influences her to change alignments. I thought I saw somewhere that you can corrupt the inquisititor companion if you romance him.
With the corrupting nature of Chaos, I'm sad that we can't corruption some of them (not even all and with hard quests each time that possible). Even if that sometime in BG3 companion follow the direction of the player to easily, in rogue trader I have the impression they are sometimes more unmoving figure than charaters.
@@ZathuriousAnd it surprised you... why? I am really annoyed when the games don't respect their characters (like Baldur's Gate 3 for example) and you can influence them just like that. Think about it, who are your companions in Rogue Trader: Abelard: 50 year old Naval officer who works as an advisor to your dynasty. You are going to influence him? Please, if anything, he should influence you. He is solid as a rock. Argenta: Completely fanatical religious warrior, condition and brainwashed beyond any measure, spent her life with one thought and one purpose on her mind - purge. You are telling me you are going to influence someone like that? Change their conviction? Pasqal: More machine than human, completely driven by computer logic. Also, I don't want to spoil the story for anyone, but if you finished his quest, you know. You can maybe influence a bit the outcome of his quest, but his conviction? Hell no. Yrliet and Marazhai: Centuries, if not millennia old individuals who consider you a little more than an animal (how we se cats and dogs basically), a lower life form. They hardly care what you think, let alone letting you influence their outlook. Ulfar: Superhuman who's brain is programmed and conditioned to the point where he even forgot his past life. While Space Marines can definitely fall to Chaos, it takes much much more than a Rogue Trader to do so. More likely is you'd get an axe in the head once he smells heresy. Heinrix: Really? Do I need to explain why you can't influence an Inquisitor?! While they do sway around and have questionable decisions and outlooks, they have them because they want them to, not because someone influenced them. They are on top of the food chain in the "influence" department. The only characters who's world view and conviction you could hope to somewhat influence are Jae and Cassia. And you can do that to an extent. Their core values remain (because, surprise, they are developed characters not a blank piece of paper) but you can influence how they accept things around them a bit. Even Jae, her character being a skilled manipulator and charismatic scoundrel, she is more suited to influence others than let others influence her. Leaving only Cassia, who's been sheltered her entire life up to that point, for you to have some influence over. I really liked that they approached their characters like actual established characters, and not mannequins for you to dress up and set in which ever way you want and them just falling in line. I think that is one of the best points of the game in fact - the story and characters, while set in WH40K universe, are more grounded than most out there. I can totally buy Abelard as a character, while I can't really buy Karlach, a leader of armies of Hell that slew countless demons and has an infernal engine for a heart... as a level 1 barbarian that has trouble with basic gnomes, and has a personality mix of a 2020 butch lesbian and an overexcited puppy who you can shove around as you please. Or Yrliet, Aeldari ranger who basically vomits on the thought of hugging a mon-keih, who has understanding of the world greater than your character ever will, who's culture is 60 million years old... over a spoiled gay-ish vampire who looks, acts and is as smart as if he just got out of the Californian Starbucks in 2020's.
Well, Cassia is the companion your choices have the most effect on. Also, she's the navigator and the game probably can't continue without one. I am surprised the Yirilet leaves since she's the one who sold you to the Drukahari. I do have one question though. If Iconoclast is your main focus, do they still leave?
Yrilet didn’t ‘sell’ you to the Drukhari. She flat out tells you that she got tricked in a moment of desperation by Marazhai. Marazhai also tells you he tricked Yrilet.
Well if you dont take Yrliet as a companion as i did in my first game as a dogmatic the story turns your advisor on Dargonus into the traitor. Now i finished the game as Ikonoklast and all members stayed. The next one will be as full heretic.
Eldar hate the chaos so in one hand Yrlet living you make sense but in the other hand I have the impression that she sould living you at an other moment than the imperial dogmatic.
I notice there's been no mention of the move "evil"-oriented companions (Marazhai specifically, and possibly Idira if she's allowed to follow her natural inclination toward heresy) raising serious objections to your leadership style if you go balls-to-the-wall Dogmatic. How odd. Also, you're not only losing 4 companions here. _You're gaining up to 4 future enemies,_ each of whom is powerful enough to become a real threat to you, and you simply...let them leave quietly, without even fighting them?! If I were in the Rogue Trader's position here, they'd get their throats slashed, and their corpses would be cremated promptly. (As tempting as it would be to have them continue working for me in the role of Servitors, keeping their bodies aboard my ship, even for that reason, might come back to haunt me later.) I figure it this way: if I'm evil enough that several people who've fought beside me through thick and thin (3 of whom are valuable Imperial assets) _openly_ declare that it's no longer worth it to remain my friend, I'm already on the shit list of at least the Inquisition, if not the whole Imperium. What could an evil Rogue Trader possibly have to gain from showing his/her enemies mercy by not disposing of them while s/he can?
Agree, should be an option for one of companions that are loyal to rogue trader no matter what to “deal” with dogmatic characters, marajai and idira surely would handle this with pleasure, pascal and Abelard - out of duty. But there also a way to kill them, just indirectly, you can give eldar to inquisition, execute argenta in act3 or just leave her to die there. Same with space wolf you can just don’t take him in, leaving only heindrix alive.
I literally burned most of the companions to death myself this run. My iconoclast run is like 100 some odd hours. Dogmatic run just about caught up to that progress but only 20 hours. All because i am not running around on wild goose chases for aliens or cold traders or unsanctioned psykers. All dead, gone. The silence and lack of interuptions has been wonderful. I only just gained a 7th party member in Ulfar but honestly I kinda struggle to see how to make him fit in my group composition. He's just Argenta but with more limited equipment options.
i was getting worried everyone would just keep on pretending that i didn't suddenly decorate the ships bridge with a hundred corpses hanging from the ceiling... or the human sacrifice... also the very obvious talking to chaos entities like we're old buddies in front of everyone. i wish they had more dialogue about it. i just got to the 'warning' and like it's cool that they finally acknowledge it but then you talk to them after and they just act like they didn't just accuse you of heresy
@@undefined4992 "you have to get rid of some party members, but don't have to" sounds a little... contradictory. Did you mean that it's optional to get rid of some so you can keep everyone if you want?
@@GoodEggGuyWhat they mean is it's presented as the Dogmatic "option" to kill several companions rather than recruit them. You can not take that option, not get the Dogmatic points, and things just continue as normal. But if you're taking the Dogmatic choice in all situations that will involve killing several companions.
@@GoodEggGuy sorry, wrote different comment before and didn't clear it. From roleplay perspective you have to get rid of them, like which loyal servant of The Emperor would have xenos and unsanctioned psyker on his ship. But game isn't forcing you to it
Can you actually change the conviction somehow? Like you could turn a character being good or evil in Pathfinder. Also Pascal is dogmatic too and doesnt leave.
It depends a lot on your choices before this point and if you choose to do their companion quest or not. I got everyone I recruited as a Iconoclast to stay since I chosen to help them with their companion quests and get positive outcomes. Only one I did not have as the dark Eldar companion because I chosen to kill him since he is a Dark Eldar.
@@orrthehunterIn the Iconoclast playthrough you're pretty much playing as an atypical Rogue Trader who is profit first, Imperium second and throughout the play though the dogmatic members of your retinue will constantly sook about it and your enemies will constantly mock you for it. But that is about as far as it goes. So long as you make no quarter when it comes to Chaos and xenos who are actual enemies, you'll be tolerated for your 'failings'. However, ultimately this path proves to be a righteous path because it is the direction the Imperium is destined to steer towards in the 42nd Millennium with the return of the loyalist Primarchs. This is the only reason Inquisition tolerates it, they know the grand picture here, because they know what is currently happening back in the Imperium beyound the Maw.
@@foxdavion6865 proft first side and Imperium last is not how my experience as a Iconoclast went. It is heavily based on choices as a Iconoclast what type of Iconoclast you are. My character took actions that lead even the more dogmatic companions to agree with my character eventually and are even thankful for my characters more Iconoclast based choices. Heck, I literally turn the Eldar beliefs around and among other things.
Basically if you werent Rogue Trader you would got shot, but since its Rogue Trader you are okay, except for ending, Where you need to work with Inquisitor and get the Warden of Expanse title otherwise you are too much pain in the ass.@@TheChairmaker
Being Iconoclast isn't in stark opposition to imperial dogma. You are more like skirting along the edges, which you can get away with thanks to your status of high ranking nobility and your usefulness.
also for those that dont know you get a secret companion for alignment path and i think it might be possible to get the heretic and iconoclast companion at the same time idk some people said so but still doesnt make up for the other 2-3 companions you lose. argenta, heinrix should be corruptible. yrliet...maybe? chaos eldar ARE a canon thing but rare and usually just in the eye of terror but marazhai stays with you so maybe just you could persuade her to give up her spirit stone and walk the path of the drukhari? Ulfar should be hardcore dogmatic and leaves if your not dogmatic enough period and would be good balance for the secret heretic companion and so just iconoclast would be stuck without a space marine in party. Heretic does feel pretty under baked and under whelming compared to the other paths but i get the feeling it was the last path to be worked on and the game was rushed. I think ideally some extreme companions should leave if you dont reach certain alignment goals by around this point but through out the game can be persuaded to be more dogmatic, iconoclastic, or heretical so you can keep them with like maybe 1 for each path to stubborn to change and always leave only to be replaced but whatever secret companion you get for the path you are on. dragon age kinda figured that out with companions leaving and being replaced with those befitting you alignment. hell owlcats previous game figured that out with companions leaving on a lich playthrough and being replaced with undead companions
At this point, am after the Dark City. I've lost only Cassie and based on quests perhaps Ablelard later. I've definitely got companions the others don't approve of. Yrilet and Marazhari.
He should have, because he is dangerously close to someone who deals with demons. Remember his first flight on RT vessel? Yeah. It’s counterintuitive, yet i didn’t played full heretic yet, so I have no guess on why he is not leaving.
Vistenza should have been a companion. You only see her "den" if you kill her, you should be able to join her in the den if you are heretical. The pirate Ryzza is also a heretic that could have joined. Instead we get the most boring heretic in all of 40K which is Calligos, I killed him despite knowing he was a secret companion, he was too annoying. Uralon is also boring but Im not a fan of Space Marines
It is painful cause you lose both argenta and yirileth and they are the best damage dealers in the game, the former more so than the latter cause of how imbalanced eldar/de eldar weapon are . I cant imagine beating higher difficulties without them
For me, Argenta was the MVP from level ~20 onward. If you build her right and have one or two officers to support her, she is a complete overkill. There is hardly a boss that can survive a single salvo from her. For example, for the final boss, on Normal difficulty, I think it took my Argenta 3 salvos to defeat him. And even that simply because you get scripted cut-offs where the boss makes certain moves so your salvo does not get to fully finish. I had her do 300-400 damage with a single bullet... and she was firing 12+ in a burst. Absolute beast - Yrliet could out-damage her per bullet fired, definitely, but in the sum of things, Argenta simply wins 10/10 times. Aeldari/Drukhari weapons are the strongest in the game, per single shot maybe, but when it comes to damage output, burst fire DPS is absolute king of the game.
Cassia is a better damage dealer (and everything else) than both of those combined anyway. An Officer RT, Jae and her can clear Unfair without too much trouble, you don't even need anyone else for combat.
I played as an Iconoclast. No one left me, but I got companion slides at the end. Might as well all be dead. The game bugged to kingdom come. I wished they fixed it. But I guess they're too busy pushing the season pass and collector's edition.
While I understand why they leave I do wish we could corrupt them and to people who say that isn't possible sisters of battle and Inquisitors have fallen to Chaos. Now I'm in act 2 so I don't know their companion quests in detail but at least in both the tech priest and Inquisitors there is stuff that can corrupt some part of them while for the sister I'd say corrupt the artifact and give it to her and have that corrupt her. The Space Wolf I understand we can't corrupt so lets sacrifice him and get a Chaos Marine instead like a Thousand Sons or an Alpha Legion. It would go to show the grimdark setting with how even the greatest forces of the Imperium can fall to Chaos. That said I've got nothing for corrupting the Eldar girl.
Damn, thanks for the video but rather disappointed in how its handled in the game. I was hoping there would be more interaction. I do these crazy things for Chaos with literally all 3 of these people in my party and they rarely say anything. Then you just trigger a cut scene and they tell you they'll bounce at an arbitrary point in the story.
There is actually a way to keep your Dogmatic companions and Yrliet, even if you are rank 3 and above as Hereticus. You can repent your sins to Lord Inquisitor in chapter 4 and your Hereticus points will go to absolute zero. Companions will stay with you, if you do this.
thats rare i do it and they dont come back and the point stay the same so chageda save a tell all including the inquisitor to fuck off maybe was a bug? i finished the game relative fast in the release i could feel something were really bugged
Owlcat collects all the bad ideas in CRPGs and never listens to any feedback. It's like PF:KM again but with more bugs and less fun. Compare PF:KM - PF: WotR - W40k: RT. Literally zero progress in game design, RT is worse then KM in design, combat, story and bugs. Now look at someone like Larian: D:OS - D:OS2 - BG3. That's how you improve with every game tenfold.
sub 70 IQ take. owcat already made 2 different crpgs before this and probably well into development by the time bg3 came out considering rogue trader came out relatively not long after
heretic playthrough feels a bit underbaked. You lose a bunch of companions, you only have 1 that is heretic disposition, and don't get any special effects to really set it apart. I think something, such as having warp demons that come in due to warp instability be friendly towards you, or at least have them target enemies first.
Or a chaos marines to replace the space wolf
You get a chaos word bearer @@demonic_myst4503
@demonic_myst4503 each path has a secret character you can get
You get at least 2 companions are heretical RT
@@demonic_myst4503 you have that even the replace in my experienced is bug as fuck but in heretical you can get 2 companions one been a CSM but not going to lie seems really unfinished like they released the game before finishing that path
5:30
She is kinda the navigator and they are neutral.
Even loyalist Navigators helped the night lords because they are neutral parties.
Now the knife ear also leaves because well, you are working with Chaos which Slaanesh does munch on their souls unless by the laughing god, stone shards or dark eldar tech.
You think you would get an alternative set of companions like when you go lich in wrath of the righteous.
You do get a secret Chaos companion
And its antagonist, the problem the chaplain is underbaked for World bearer. @@TheChairmaker
You can corrrupt Heinrik as a female rogue trader and get a secret chaos marine companion.
Do note he is very easy to miss as it requires multiple optional pre reqs, one that occurs early in the game.
ah, but the lich companions are largely placeholders with little to no actual content. you might as well replace them with random hires.
If it were possible to corrupt characters, then Cassia would be a prime candidate (as well as Jae obviously).
honestly if the drukhari stays with a heretic just because they dont have to worry about slaanesh sucking their soul as long as their replenish their soul with suffering and excess then yrliet should be corruptible, probably not full on chaos eldar of course considering yrliets personality and the questionable circumstances of what or how chaos eldar are a thing besides the fact we know they exist on some planets especially within the eye of terror and i read something about chaos daemons princes of slaanesh, at least most of the very powerful ones, are mostly eldar that embraced slaanesh during the fall, but persuading her to follow the path of the dark eldar might be interesting.
also one of the owlcat devs said if they make more DLC than what is currently planned,which is just void shadows and the one upcoming about imperial tithes thats gonna have an arbetes companion, they might explore more companion stuff and in his personal opinion that might not have anything to do with future development he said he would want to see the corruption of sister argenta into a heretic
Being a Rogue Trader, you have the licence to do whatever you want so long as you don't betray the Imperium or turn to Chaos. BUT, it doesn't stop your companions from leaving you to protect themselves. The Rogue Trader may have a ticket of immunity, but their retinue doesn't, a Rogue Trader's protection can only go so far and I'm glade this game has stark reminders that this is Warhammer 40K, not some fantasy universe where you can do what you want, it is the grim dark world of entrenched beliefs, entrenched attitudes and no one wins, they only endure; You can only get small victories that amount to nothing, the golden mean is an illusion and the only course of action you can take to keep stability and prosperity in your empire and maintain power to is to be an upstanding representative of the values of the Imperium, which means, fall in line and be dogmatic or toe the line and show a little tolerance as semi-iconoclastic such as the loyalist Primarchs as being the only path towards defeating Chaos. For the most part, the system exists because it has worked for thousands of years.
Being Iconoclastic is tolerated because of your status, while being dogmatic is encouraged and preferred. Going the heretical path will make you an enemy of everyone and now you're the enemy too, your warrant won't protect you anymore, you're a pirate running a rogue state and the target of the wrath of the imperium.
My run is semi-Iconoclastic and mostly Dogmatic; The *only* aliens I show any degree of tolerance towards are the Eldar as their enemies are our enemies and our differences are inconsequential next to the greater threat of the Archenemy; I know in the grand scheme of things the Eldar can be reasoned with and the blind hate towards them is out of fear and ignorance. But I am no fool, I know they don't care about humans and their interests are only in themselves, but I'd rather avoid being forced to kill a dying race who are better used as allies against chaos then wasting resources on destroying them too. As for all the other Xenos, they are enemies of mankind, they want to wipe out mankind and I in turn will deal with them swiftly. Of course I'd show the Tau the same level of tolerance as the Eldar, but the Tau exist on the other side of the Galaxy, so we'll never encounter them in this game, so it is a mute point.
It really doesn't work if you pay attention to the lore; half of the reason Chaos is so powerful is because the Imperium keeps feeding it everything it needs for its ascendancy. And the reason the aliens of the galaxy are so hostile, including the Tau and the Eldar, is precisely because the Imperium slaughtered every other alien that were not hyper aggressive.
Tearing the sector away from the Imperium is quite literally the best thing you can do in this game.
And also if you keep doing the things that they think of as unforgivable, of course they are going to abandon you even if you have the authority.
Rouge Trader Tabletop has a book where an Inquisitor sends you to a remote and heretical world and Tau are there to reclaim an Ethereal that's being experimented upon.
@@1Maklak I found that book silly, because it represents lore conflict, not only is it a laughably lazy plagiarism of the Firewarrior video game but the Tau are not warp capable, so unless they somehow got there by bs luck because lazy writer, it makes no sense. Also it would take years to reach the Segnentum Ultra from the Khoronus Expanse by warp or webway and that would of been before the Great Rift formed. Now it is impossible.
@@foxdavion6865 True. The book mostly handwaves how the Tau got to the edge of Khoronus expanse and how they get home afterwards and basically says "they paid for the journey, don't worry about it".
If you count handing them over to the Inquisition, sure you could say they left me.
You cant lose cassia cus its the navigator
Exactly it would break the game to lose her. They would have to immediately provide you with a new navigator who is heretical and at the inquisitions base no less.
That makes sense. You’d think they would have made her a different alignment
@LeeroyGaming or shown how your nature influences her to change alignments. I thought I saw somewhere that you can corrupt the inquisititor companion if you romance him.
Also you are her only conection now
In the Lion son of the forest, the chaos marines used a bounded demon as a navigator.
So Yrilet leaves me on heretic and gets executed (by me) on dogmatic, I guess it is not meant to be.
With the corrupting nature of Chaos, I'm sad that we can't corruption some of them (not even all and with hard quests each time that possible). Even if that sometime in BG3 companion follow the direction of the player to easily, in rogue trader I have the impression they are sometimes more unmoving figure than charaters.
The story quest for heinrix in act 2 should totally corrupt him in my opinion…..
Games workshop forbade them. Bc developers pretty much did this in their previous games
@@LeeroyGaming It's good to have some limits because then it shows that they have a backbone of Their Own
I was surprised by this too. There is no way to change the conviction of the companions.
@@ZathuriousAnd it surprised you... why? I am really annoyed when the games don't respect their characters (like Baldur's Gate 3 for example) and you can influence them just like that. Think about it, who are your companions in Rogue Trader:
Abelard: 50 year old Naval officer who works as an advisor to your dynasty. You are going to influence him? Please, if anything, he should influence you. He is solid as a rock.
Argenta: Completely fanatical religious warrior, condition and brainwashed beyond any measure, spent her life with one thought and one purpose on her mind - purge. You are telling me you are going to influence someone like that? Change their conviction?
Pasqal: More machine than human, completely driven by computer logic. Also, I don't want to spoil the story for anyone, but if you finished his quest, you know. You can maybe influence a bit the outcome of his quest, but his conviction? Hell no.
Yrliet and Marazhai: Centuries, if not millennia old individuals who consider you a little more than an animal (how we se cats and dogs basically), a lower life form. They hardly care what you think, let alone letting you influence their outlook.
Ulfar: Superhuman who's brain is programmed and conditioned to the point where he even forgot his past life. While Space Marines can definitely fall to Chaos, it takes much much more than a Rogue Trader to do so. More likely is you'd get an axe in the head once he smells heresy.
Heinrix: Really? Do I need to explain why you can't influence an Inquisitor?! While they do sway around and have questionable decisions and outlooks, they have them because they want them to, not because someone influenced them. They are on top of the food chain in the "influence" department.
The only characters who's world view and conviction you could hope to somewhat influence are Jae and Cassia. And you can do that to an extent. Their core values remain (because, surprise, they are developed characters not a blank piece of paper) but you can influence how they accept things around them a bit.
Even Jae, her character being a skilled manipulator and charismatic scoundrel, she is more suited to influence others than let others influence her. Leaving only Cassia, who's been sheltered her entire life up to that point, for you to have some influence over.
I really liked that they approached their characters like actual established characters, and not mannequins for you to dress up and set in which ever way you want and them just falling in line. I think that is one of the best points of the game in fact - the story and characters, while set in WH40K universe, are more grounded than most out there.
I can totally buy Abelard as a character, while I can't really buy Karlach, a leader of armies of Hell that slew countless demons and has an infernal engine for a heart... as a level 1 barbarian that has trouble with basic gnomes, and has a personality mix of a 2020 butch lesbian and an overexcited puppy who you can shove around as you please. Or Yrliet, Aeldari ranger who basically vomits on the thought of hugging a mon-keih, who has understanding of the world greater than your character ever will, who's culture is 60 million years old... over a spoiled gay-ish vampire who looks, acts and is as smart as if he just got out of the Californian Starbucks in 2020's.
Thanks for the heads-up!!😊
Well, Cassia is the companion your choices have the most effect on. Also, she's the navigator and the game probably can't continue without one. I am surprised the Yirilet leaves since she's the one who sold you to the Drukahari.
I do have one question though. If Iconoclast is your main focus, do they still leave?
Yrilet didn’t ‘sell’ you to the Drukhari. She flat out tells you that she got tricked in a moment of desperation by Marazhai. Marazhai also tells you he tricked Yrilet.
Could have been replaced by just another MPC that stays in the navigation chamber instead of joining you on missions.
Just finished an iconoclast run, got to level 4 iconoclast, and no one left. Had the full nerd brigade for act 5
Turns out if you fix everyone’s issues and they like working for you they don’t leave
Well if you dont take Yrliet as a companion as i did in my first game as a dogmatic the story turns your advisor on Dargonus into the traitor. Now i finished the game as Ikonoklast and all members stayed. The next one will be as full heretic.
Eldar hate the chaos so in one hand Yrlet living you make sense but in the other hand I have the impression that she sould living you at an other moment than the imperial dogmatic.
Did you have a stroke?
Question.
If these companions leave you, because you're a heretic, do they take all thier equipment with them, or is it returned to you?
I notice there's been no mention of the move "evil"-oriented companions (Marazhai specifically, and possibly Idira if she's allowed to follow her natural inclination toward heresy) raising serious objections to your leadership style if you go balls-to-the-wall Dogmatic. How odd.
Also, you're not only losing 4 companions here. _You're gaining up to 4 future enemies,_ each of whom is powerful enough to become a real threat to you, and you simply...let them leave quietly, without even fighting them?! If I were in the Rogue Trader's position here, they'd get their throats slashed, and their corpses would be cremated promptly. (As tempting as it would be to have them continue working for me in the role of Servitors, keeping their bodies aboard my ship, even for that reason, might come back to haunt me later.)
I figure it this way: if I'm evil enough that several people who've fought beside me through thick and thin (3 of whom are valuable Imperial assets) _openly_ declare that it's no longer worth it to remain my friend, I'm already on the shit list of at least the Inquisition, if not the whole Imperium. What could an evil Rogue Trader possibly have to gain from showing his/her enemies mercy by not disposing of them while s/he can?
If you're going balls to the wall dogmatic neither of those companions would make it to this point.
@@Leonson1 Ah, yes. Good point. I'd had a brain-fart when writing my OP, causing me to miss that.
Agree, should be an option for one of companions that are loyal to rogue trader no matter what to “deal” with dogmatic characters, marajai and idira surely would handle this with pleasure, pascal and Abelard - out of duty.
But there also a way to kill them, just indirectly, you can give eldar to inquisition, execute argenta in act3 or just leave her to die there. Same with space wolf you can just don’t take him in, leaving only heindrix alive.
I literally burned most of the companions to death myself this run. My iconoclast run is like 100 some odd hours. Dogmatic run just about caught up to that progress but only 20 hours. All because i am not running around on wild goose chases for aliens or cold traders or unsanctioned psykers. All dead, gone. The silence and lack of interuptions has been wonderful. I only just gained a 7th party member in Ulfar but honestly I kinda struggle to see how to make him fit in my group composition. He's just Argenta but with more limited equipment options.
i was getting worried everyone would just keep on pretending that i didn't suddenly decorate the ships bridge with a hundred corpses hanging from the ceiling... or the human sacrifice... also the very obvious talking to chaos entities like we're old buddies in front of everyone. i wish they had more dialogue about it. i just got to the 'warning' and like it's cool that they finally acknowledge it but then you talk to them after and they just act like they didn't just accuse you of heresy
Okay, but who do you lose if you go full Iconoclast and if you go full Dogmatic? What are the break points for those "alignments"?
For iconoclast - noone. Dogmatic means you have to get rid of some party members, but don't have to.
@@undefined4992 "you have to get rid of some party members, but don't have to" sounds a little... contradictory. Did you mean that it's optional to get rid of some so you can keep everyone if you want?
@@GoodEggGuyWhat they mean is it's presented as the Dogmatic "option" to kill several companions rather than recruit them. You can not take that option, not get the Dogmatic points, and things just continue as normal. But if you're taking the Dogmatic choice in all situations that will involve killing several companions.
@@GoodEggGuy sorry, wrote different comment before and didn't clear it. From roleplay perspective you have to get rid of them, like which loyal servant of The Emperor would have xenos and unsanctioned psyker on his ship. But game isn't forcing you to it
@@undefined4992 I see. Interesting choices.
Heresy grows from idleness.
Can you actually change the conviction somehow? Like you could turn a character being good or evil in Pathfinder.
Also Pascal is dogmatic too and doesnt leave.
It depends a lot on your choices before this point and if you choose to do their companion quest or not. I got everyone I recruited as a Iconoclast to stay since I chosen to help them with their companion quests and get positive outcomes. Only one I did not have as the dark Eldar companion because I chosen to kill him since he is a Dark Eldar.
you can turn pascal towards heretical with some decisions
@@orrthehunterIn the Iconoclast playthrough you're pretty much playing as an atypical Rogue Trader who is profit first, Imperium second and throughout the play though the dogmatic members of your retinue will constantly sook about it and your enemies will constantly mock you for it. But that is about as far as it goes. So long as you make no quarter when it comes to Chaos and xenos who are actual enemies, you'll be tolerated for your 'failings'. However, ultimately this path proves to be a righteous path because it is the direction the Imperium is destined to steer towards in the 42nd Millennium with the return of the loyalist Primarchs. This is the only reason Inquisition tolerates it, they know the grand picture here, because they know what is currently happening back in the Imperium beyound the Maw.
@@foxdavion6865 proft first side and Imperium last is not how my experience as a Iconoclast went. It is heavily based on choices as a Iconoclast what type of Iconoclast you are.
My character took actions that lead even the more dogmatic companions to agree with my character eventually and are even thankful for my characters more Iconoclast based choices. Heck, I literally turn the Eldar beliefs around and among other things.
@@orrthehuntertrue, yeah basically it's a case of thinking "what would Guilliman or the Lion do?" So I took the same approach as you did.
thanks for the gentle spoil my g, just started my heretic pyro
I thought they were empty threats. Was using Ulfar, Yrilet. Welp time for mercs haha
do they also leave if your iconoclast? because technically iconoclast is also going against the empire.
No
Iconoclast is still within the bounds of what is acceptable for a Rogue Trader. They aren't happy but it's not a dealbreaker.
Basically if you werent Rogue Trader you would got shot, but since its Rogue Trader you are okay, except for ending, Where you need to work with Inquisitor and get the Warden of Expanse title otherwise you are too much pain in the ass.@@TheChairmaker
Being Iconoclast isn't in stark opposition to imperial dogma. You are more like skirting along the edges, which you can get away with thanks to your status of high ranking nobility and your usefulness.
Until the ending, you can get away with it if you give Nomos to Inquisitor but otherwise they panic and crusade you@@bauerhans-christian5616
Nice to know as Ulfar and Argenta are 2 I am most concerned about having besides Cassia
also for those that dont know you get a secret companion for alignment path and i think it might be possible to get the heretic and iconoclast companion at the same time idk some people said so but still doesnt make up for the other 2-3 companions you lose. argenta, heinrix should be corruptible. yrliet...maybe? chaos eldar ARE a canon thing but rare and usually just in the eye of terror but marazhai stays with you so maybe just you could persuade her to give up her spirit stone and walk the path of the drukhari? Ulfar should be hardcore dogmatic and leaves if your not dogmatic enough period and would be good balance for the secret heretic companion and so just iconoclast would be stuck without a space marine in party.
Heretic does feel pretty under baked and under whelming compared to the other paths but i get the feeling it was the last path to be worked on and the game was rushed. I think ideally some extreme companions should leave if you dont reach certain alignment goals by around this point but through out the game can be persuaded to be more dogmatic, iconoclastic, or heretical so you can keep them with like maybe 1 for each path to stubborn to change and always leave only to be replaced but whatever secret companion you get for the path you are on. dragon age kinda figured that out with companions leaving and being replaced with those befitting you alignment. hell owlcats previous game figured that out with companions leaving on a lich playthrough and being replaced with undead companions
Thanks for the video
so far heretical has been too evil to me idk if i will ever choose any of those choices
At this point, am after the Dark City. I've lost only Cassie and based on quests perhaps Ablelard later. I've definitely got companions the others don't approve of. Yrilet and Marazhari.
0:57 this guy says Final Minal
The inquisitor guy already dipped on me and I just got to footfall… wonder if that is avoidable or not
I left him in commargh. Don't know why there weren't special interactions with Calcazar. Was laughing when I left him there to rot haha
He will return later. Dude's secretly a bro though haha.
To paraphrase Kirk Lazarus, 'You never go full heretic'
So as long as i dont have any heretical, im save ?
How about Marazhai? Isn't he an evil Drukhari? He won't have any problem with Heretical character
He should have, because he is dangerously close to someone who deals with demons. Remember his first flight on RT vessel? Yeah.
It’s counterintuitive, yet i didn’t played full heretic yet, so I have no guess on why he is not leaving.
Great, thanks!
I just created another companion which was far better.
Companions that leave you are the most annoying ones.
all i know is blood...anything for it...for the emperor!
Is this only on heretic or iconoklast too?
what if i dont recruit this companions untis this quest is over?
All of the said companions are either auto recruited , or if you miss your chance at them you don’t get another chance.
Vistenza should have been a companion. You only see her "den" if you kill her, you should be able to join her in the den if you are heretical.
The pirate Ryzza is also a heretic that could have joined. Instead we get the most boring heretic in all of 40K which is Calligos, I killed him despite knowing he was a secret companion, he was too annoying. Uralon is also boring but Im not a fan of Space Marines
It is painful cause you lose both argenta and yirileth and they are the best damage dealers in the game, the former more so than the latter cause of how imbalanced eldar/de eldar weapon are . I cant imagine beating higher difficulties without them
Exactly!
Mercenaries duh make your own argenta with hookers and blackjack
Really earning their arrogance there.
For me, Argenta was the MVP from level ~20 onward. If you build her right and have one or two officers to support her, she is a complete overkill. There is hardly a boss that can survive a single salvo from her. For example, for the final boss, on Normal difficulty, I think it took my Argenta 3 salvos to defeat him. And even that simply because you get scripted cut-offs where the boss makes certain moves so your salvo does not get to fully finish.
I had her do 300-400 damage with a single bullet... and she was firing 12+ in a burst. Absolute beast - Yrliet could out-damage her per bullet fired, definitely, but in the sum of things, Argenta simply wins 10/10 times.
Aeldari/Drukhari weapons are the strongest in the game, per single shot maybe, but when it comes to damage output, burst fire DPS is absolute king of the game.
Cassia is a better damage dealer (and everything else) than both of those combined anyway. An Officer RT, Jae and her can clear Unfair without too much trouble, you don't even need anyone else for combat.
Nice to see a fellow yolomouse user in the wild lol
I just lost all my characters with most recent patch corrupting all my save files….
Typical Owlcat. 😢
Eww. :(
They must be having scrap code in their engine.
Bunch of radical heretics.
For the Emperor!
Jae will leave you latter too according to some people
Who will leave if You go Full Iconoclast ?
Nobody. Only Heretics lose companions for obvious reasons (you court THE closest thing to the biggest bad in Warhammer).
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you can always hire out help....
omg man..u kick me in the balls....i am just begin chapter 4 and turn full heretic....shit!
lol sorry, this made me chuckle irl
I played as an Iconoclast. No one left me, but I got companion slides at the end. Might as well all be dead. The game bugged to kingdom come. I wished they fixed it. But I guess they're too busy pushing the season pass and collector's edition.
Cassia and Pasqal staying doesn't make much sense. Even Abelard staying is a huge stretch. The game really needs more heretic companions.
While I understand why they leave I do wish we could corrupt them and to people who say that isn't possible sisters of battle and Inquisitors have fallen to Chaos. Now I'm in act 2 so I don't know their companion quests in detail but at least in both the tech priest and Inquisitors there is stuff that can corrupt some part of them while for the sister I'd say corrupt the artifact and give it to her and have that corrupt her. The Space Wolf I understand we can't corrupt so lets sacrifice him and get a Chaos Marine instead like a Thousand Sons or an Alpha Legion. It would go to show the grimdark setting with how even the greatest forces of the Imperium can fall to Chaos. That said I've got nothing for corrupting the Eldar girl.
I might buy this game when it goes on sale for 90% off.
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My headcanon is that Cassia is full stockholm syndrome.
Damn, thanks for the video but rather disappointed in how its handled in the game. I was hoping there would be more interaction. I do these crazy things for Chaos with literally all 3 of these people in my party and they rarely say anything. Then you just trigger a cut scene and they tell you they'll bounce at an arbitrary point in the story.
There is actually a way to keep your Dogmatic companions and Yrliet, even if you are rank 3 and above as Hereticus. You can repent your sins to Lord Inquisitor in chapter 4 and your Hereticus points will go to absolute zero. Companions will stay with you, if you do this.
I mention this in the video lol (somehow I don’t think you watched the video for very long 😳) but it was bugged in my save unfortunately.
thats rare i do it and they dont come back and the point stay the same so chageda save a tell all including the inquisitor to fuck off maybe was a bug? i finished the game relative fast in the release i could feel something were really bugged
way to go zapping any sense of roleplay or replayability out of the game, but i'll give you 3/10 for your kermit impersonation
Owlcat collects all the bad ideas in CRPGs and never listens to any feedback. It's like PF:KM again but with more bugs and less fun.
Compare PF:KM - PF: WotR - W40k: RT. Literally zero progress in game design, RT is worse then KM in design, combat, story and bugs.
Now look at someone like Larian:
D:OS - D:OS2 - BG3. That's how you improve with every game tenfold.
U mad, owlcat made a jump from fantasy to space fantasy, and there is no change or growth in here for u.
While larian made three same fantasy games.
owlcat copycat a lot of BG3 stuff but theie grapic quality a joke
which things did they copy?
Thankfully, they didn't copy anything.
sub 70 IQ take. owcat already made 2 different crpgs before this and probably well into development by the time bg3 came out considering rogue trader came out relatively not long after
@@kobold7466 owlcat always have retro graphic aka ;outdated graphic for all their games
@@lufasumafalu5069 goal post shifting and no one gives a fuck about graphics in their CRPG. BG3 sucks dick anyway
Unsubbing. The insane spoiler in the title really fking ticked me off. What the hell man?
It's not a spoiler as it only happens via a route that is obvious for them to leave you on. 💀
How can one be so sensitive on the internet?
its not an issue of sensitivity and not the definition of spoiler, this was a really bad clickbait attempt, shadowsift is right
dude the alignments are *dialogue driven*, what did you expect?