The year 2035... "under an electron microscope you can clearly see the deviation of approximately 72 molecules on the hand dial. This is because even though the process of manufacturing is exactly the same, the production line is located near the mountain Amne Machin where the magnetic profile of the nearby rocks is affecting the calibration of nano-3D-printers".
I am struggling to reconcile the €59,500 price difference...... call me cheap but you can buy a small hobby farm in Portugal for the price difference or maybe a Porsche....... just saying
Wasn’t it mulberry whom found out the best fakes out there where actually being made by it’s own staff working at night using materials from mulberries very own suppliers, they where effectively genuine mulberry in everything except serial number (and the price tag 🏷 😬🤦🏻♂️)
Donny 5000, due to people like you fake (made in china) watches are being made. You guys are so shameless If you dont want to pay its price just dont wear them thats it! Cheap watches are there fucking wear them Please stop this fake watch culture. Please understand me its destroying many people 1st luxury watch experience
Musk -Tesla ....I truly can care less about your stupid luxury watch experience. My thoughts have nothing to do with what you buy. The person who pays $60,000 for a watch and the person who pays $150 for a fake watch both have one thing in common. They Both are proving to people (who really don't care) why they bought a watch. It's wealthy watch snobs as your self who look down upon us measly peasants because you have the blessings of mighty Odin, who ruin watch culture as a whole ....good day sir! Or madame.
See i have a girlfriend so i dont need to impress anyone I buy luxury watches bcoz it gives me a self satisfaction-the Quality, its weight , services...i dont bling or show them off And yeah only cheap dudes show off like who have a fake one, bcoz i ain't stupid to wear a 50,000£ watch in public and damage it JUST TO BLING
@@SVIMAZfromD5 Dude, buy yourself one authentic Aquanaut and one Nautilus, so ypu can enjoy false sense of freedom with some bling factor. It has nothing to do with slavery topic.
Each % of perfection cost more and more. This is geometric progression. You can buy nice authentic swiss made watch for 500 euro and you don't need to buy this fake. And, in 99% cases this watch will be better than fake patek.
@Delta Fox RW is a mid range wannabe luxury brand with no resale value cause they also produce quartz watches made in china. If thats ur best watch then so be it....just enjoy it as i will continue to wear my Rolex with its resale value continues to go up 😃😸
This watch is made for rich people and the brand is very niche at rich people. The replica is if you want to fool your rich friend since it isn’t even widely know to the general public like Rolex. A Patek Philipe for 60k is cheap if you consider that they made models that cost around 200k
It’s not theft; it’s the free market. If someone doesn’t want to pay 60k for a watch, he doesn’t have to. Stealing someone’s design and logo and telling other people that it’s the real thing IS theft.
You buy a prestige, a social statut etc...not the product. If you ask my opinion some of the Picasso's are shit...if you gave them to me ...fam I will show them to the world or sell them directly same result social statut....and even in my example people don't need to know how I get it or it loose value....so you see , it's just the prestige
Funnily enough, replicas are perfect for people who can actually afford a Patek Phillipe. Because in those social circles, it wouldn't matter and everybody would just assume it's real. You have a yacht and a beach house in Tuscany, of course that replica is real. There isn't a millionaire out there going around with a jeweller's loupe to scrutinize their acquaintance's watch. They'll just go "Oh is that a Patek? Nice, I should really get my hands on one of those, they look great."
I agree. But not if you are famous and in the hip hop industry. In France. Booba the most rich one from my country have been seen with a fake one on TV. He still mocked for that 2 years later
I summarize: 1. The Chinese knockoff offers insane fit & finish (for about $500) that puts all other competitors in it's price range to shame. 2. The Swiss "original" basically embodies a millionare tax
if they can replicate it at 1/10000 of the cost and is working as a watch, that means - such a marketing ripoff and overexpensive manpower of the original ! gofor fake !!!
@@wongraymond The Chinese are masters replicating stuff, but they are unable to create anything. Without the original (and I agree too expensive) no Chinese knockoff 😉
@@АлексейАлехин-ф5ъ ja neznaju kak ti palucil eti ciasi za 7 mesecav, ja v germaniji v oceredi 324, v god diler paluciajet 3-4 ciasiki, skolka mne jescio zdat, mazesch paschscitat? ;)
@@geminiFree Apart from most things we take for granted was `invented` by `Chinese like money and beer for starters , compass and rudder were pretty major too , toothbrushes , croossbow , paper ....
But i bet they never make perfect replica. Why? Because they make good profit making replica with flaws. So they make new version. Again and again. So, i think rep company like noob, ppf, jf, etc are deceive you guys. Why i think like this? Because when i see rep watch with nowaday quality, i think they can build exactly 100% perfect. But they won't. They just make super rep or NWBIG quality with some flaws. New version of their rep just fix some flaw not fix all flaw, meanwhile some youtube video or replica forum like rwi or rwg tell the difference between rep and gen so detail. So, i think better you buy gen.
And you are not dumping a truckload of dollar bills. For $300+ it's a quality watch regardless of it being fake, especially versus paying $40,000-$100,000+
igrotum is the only replica factory that sells and manufactures their watches themselves also have original serial numbers. That's why they are the best
at this point, i don't think even a person who has the real one knows these tiny differences anymore except from watch makers. honestly impressed with the replica for their craftsmanship at this price point.
@@MysticalGB I have seen VERY many clones and real ones, I would easy take a bet to spot the fake abd the original. They look very good for people who don't know what a Patek is. Too bad many people don't know the brand and they all just want a boring Submariner knock-off :D
People go for high end luxury items because they are well made. The fake had huge brushed lines on the bezel that make one think of it being hurriedly and haphazardly made. And they make it unpleasant to look at because they draw attention to themselves (and in a bad way, because they're not diamonds or something).
@@californiaplant-basedeater2761 It’s status that drives these purchases, not how well made the watches are. Chinese replica manufacturers spend $250 on producing a replica of a $30k watch and get it 99% right. Do you really think the genuine watch is worth 100x as much for the handful of minor improvements over the replica? Honestly, most of these differences aren’t going to be noticeable unless you have the genuine watch right next to you. I buy replicas even though I could easily afford the genuine watches. I think most of the people who get called out for wearing replicas are guys who work retail jobs and try to pull off a Rolex.
These replicas are getting too close for comfort. As a watchmaker l have found only one simple way to spot a fake Patek or Rolex. Ok you need to open the watch.... so maybe its not so simple. The balance wheel is regulated by small weights on the balance wheel. It's called a free sprung balance wheel and is very difficult to make and adjust. Most balance wheels are simply adjusted by changing the length of the spring using an extra arm that pinches the spring. All fakes use this method!! I know that sounds complicated but a two minute search with photos will give you all the Information you need and you will be able to spot a fake easily. It's not difficult. If the fakers learn to copy this too then lm giving up and going to sell straw hats and coconuts on a beach somewhere.
@@djordje4304 This type of balance regulating ineeds very high quality and specialist manufacturing plus it needs to be adjusted by hand by a watch maker which takes time, say minimum 30 minutes per watch. There is a reason why these watches are expensive. Simply put it would at best double the price and half their production. Most people buying fakes don't even know or care. Which thankfully for now makes it easy to spot them. If everyone here has looked up what l pointed out then you will never have to worry about buying a fake for now...
@@stephens2r338 VSF factory that is based in China and specializes in Omega replicas has a few models that copy the balance regulator and tend to be the most desired models, they use the clone Omega 8900 movement. However currently the beat rate is a bit higher then what Omegas run at 28,800 bph vs Omegas 25,600 or whatever they run at
@@jackson7962 thanks for your comment, l have looked at pictures of their movement and even though they look almost identical they still have the extra regulating arm. They do not have a free balanced movement.. When you know what to look for it's so easy to spot the fake. It's as obvious as spelling Roleks. Please take a few minutes to search, observe and learn. Afterwards you too will be just as qualified to spot a fake
some they cant , because they lack the specialized equipment to do so. or the movement is too big. but give it another 10 years and you wont be able to tell.
I’d love to see the factory in which this replica is made, and the processes they use. To achieve this level of finishing for this price... must be a pretty advanced workshop by anyone’s measure.
Two ways to look at it. Ya, maybe these replica workshops are pretty advanced...Or maybe it just goes to show how much you are overpaying for the real thing if these replica companies can thrive making watches of similar quality for less than 10% the price
it's not worth it, if I want a Patek (because it's not a Patek), and it's not worth it, if I want a watch (I can get a watch for 10 bucks), so how exactly is it worth it?
@@wellnesportstore9519 I don't mind if people buy them, I own a Patek out of respect and sentiment for this company and its heritage, not everyone has that sentiment and it's fine. Paying for a cherade to impress others is not uncommon, people build castles made out of cartoon to feel 'elevated'. The real question (for me) is what's going to be left from all of this for my grandchildren. I don't want them to inherit a fake mockery, masquerading as something divine. That would only be a testimony of my own vanity.
Fakes are illegal. Fake people buy fake watches. I don't even mind people buying homage watches... if they like the design and can't afford the price tag.
@@brianhsin678 Am I a fake human? Was I made in a lab? What do you know? Tell me! I need answers!! But seriously, your opinion is important to me. Please share more of your opinions. If I consider buying a fake watch but haven't yet, does that make me a potential fake human? And if I call it a replica, does that make me a replica human? If your greatest hero bought a fake watch, would that make them fake? I feel like your view is missing some nuance.
@@willfrank961 ask yourself why you want a fake watch. If it is the design, you have many homages made by legit companies, with equal or better QC. The only reason to have one, is to pass it off as something it is not. Furthermore, the repilca/fake market is tied with alot of other black market activity, including child labor.
@@brianhsin678 You can also buy a homage if you like the design and DO have the money for the original. Rolex is overpriced and makes use of useless premium materials (like on the dial). I would never ever want to support the brand. But I do love my $70 Pagani design Yaghtmaster with the grey dial.
If it is so hard to spot a fake, I think the luxury watch makers need to invest more into creating master pieces which cannot be cloned… it’s an absolute shame to pay for anything which can be replicated to such a degree. It significantly devalues the investment
My question is: Does it really matter? Both look stylish, and how many of your friends would know the difference? Both keep time, but do you really need accuracy when it's worn for appearance?
Yeah but those watches are amazing investments they are all selling for way above retail like double. So if your lucky to find one at retail you’re getting payed 60k to wear the watch. This girls dumb saying a 60k mistake, no matter how cheap and nice the replica is it’ll never compare to the real one.
Wow how eye opening... Obviously if you dismantle a watch and melt everything down, the sum of it's parts will be less valuable than the assembled piece of art... Not one single person seriously in the market for a Patek is even a little bit concerned about price vs. function lmao. It's a bit like asking if a DaVinci is actually worth more than the paint and canvas it's made from. The answer is obviously yes. It's worth what people will pay for it.
@@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 The point stands. You will never be in the market for a Patek, so to you it's not worth the price. To many others it is.
@@jswanza lol You have no idea what my net worth is or what I'd be in the market for. Maybe I'm taking that wrong way. But, I'd be more interested in something that rarer.
@@skaramicke I would say people buy the real thing for appreciation, build quality, and/or as an heirloom. I was interested in getting a fake Rolex submariner when I graduate but I would rather spend 15k on a real one for appreciation and resale sakes. When it comes to high end real watches I would personally treat them as investments as well as being able to enjoy the “real” thing.
Every fake rolex I've seen or had, has held its time better than a real, certified rolex. I can't see why I'd pay for a real one, there are better, less fragile things to invest money into for the long term.
One of the left is real. I bought a fake Tag Heuer in Thailand for around $30 and the quality is crazy good. My mom, as I was living overseas and left the watch in US, took it to a jewelry shop to get a new battery and the lady who helped her at one of the oldest jewelers in town asked, "Honey, do you have insurance for this watch, it's really expensive?" 🤣🤣🤣
@Perkin Warbeck because companies that make the prices of their goods levitate sending watches with the dropper to dishonst resellers, is what they deserve, rolex most of all. More reek of desperation when someone thinks an object can make the difference.
If anything good comes from the pandemic it’s how the Basel world and luxury watch game needs to adjust and rethink how they do business and stop passing off the costs of marketing and advertising to the watch enthusiasts.
@@xander2033 But they have already faked the trademark. Pagani watches may look like Rolex watches but it clearly says Pagani on the dial. Not so here.
The machining work and instruments it takes to craft the polish finishes and attention to detail on small components are costly and economically unprofitable for mass production bare in mind maintenance and expertise it may require to operate.
MM79 peasant? what does that mean? If it’s supposed to be funny I’m trying to find the joke , if it’s supposed to be insulting I’m trying to find the put down. Fail!
They’ll be outside in the street trying to drag you in to buy soon. The current global crisis is a massive wake up for these brands and especially their retailers.
When I saw this video, I instantly realized, that actually... this is not truly original content, because identical videos appear first on german-speaking TenPastTen/Watchvice channel. All the production is made by that german-speaking guy and after that Jenni just repeats the same in English - for a broader auditory (compare the numbe of subscribers to their respective channels :) )
@@captainjacksparrow1 Well, because... this is not her content :) Only English-spoken narrative part. The rest is from here - th-cam.com/channels/Sebdzr3_pcmHVx9GHvXkfQ.html
Conclusion: almost same watch can be made for 600€ and they are making profit for selling a watch at this price. Patek and rolex are really overcharging us by a huge margin.
Not really. If you see the amount of work and the quality of the materials that go into a real luxury watch, you'll understand why the best watches are also ridiculously expensive. A fake watch maker doesn't have to spend anything on design and R&Dfor example.
@@duprie37 this assumes all luxury watch makers are being honest and pricing their watches according to the material value they provide. I know you're not that blue-eyed. If Patek sells a watch for 100k it doesn't mean they invested almost 100k in materials and finishing. It just means someone is willing to pay it.
Without the Patek and Rolex, what would the fake designers base their design off and sell knock-offs? why don't they just make their own brand? Name matters a lot.
Brand name matters a lot. But the biggest thing the fakes cannot replicate is heritage and servicibility. You buy a Patek for yourself, your child and even your grandchildren. Patek promises (and keeps its promise) to provide servicing for your timepiece indefinitely. No replica can do that.
It's a bizarre social disconnect because China has more than sufficient capabilities to produce higher-end watches. What they lack is the ideology of originality because the culture (and affiliated dictatorship) denounces creative pursuits and leads people into a perpetual state of "be like others." It truly is a shame as their talents go to waste.
@@nsjong Well said. I honestly believe if you paid them, and gave them more time and proper nurture to hone a craft, they have the manufacturing capacity and production capabilities to embarrass the world. It's not odd they're basically the main cog that allows the world to function. The sad part is, they're in the same rut the Japanese were back in the day (where they were ridiculed as having some of the shoddiest products). With geo politics shifting constantly, and them making chest pumping gestures quite often these days, they look like they're moving into industries no one remotely cared to consider them for. Isolationist dictatorship is not possible anymore with the amount of trade they conduct.. they're moving up and quick.
@@nsjong Sea Gull? They made a tourbillion lol. Not sure about wanting a watch called sea gull though. They could print it in Chinese so no one would know haha. There are some Chinese watch brands with a history. They could do remakes of watches as watches way back then were for the privileged. But nowadays most people would rather get a smart watch over a traditional watch especially when they are far cheaper in China.
If the differences between a 60.000 and a 500 euro watch are only somewhat noticeable under a microscope, it really makes you wonder about how much finishing and craftmanship matter to collectors and enthusiasts as they purport and how much the "big dick" and "look at me peasant" factors really come into watch pricing after all
The fake exists because the original does, with all its history and handcrafting, because the manufactures invented and never stopped researching mechanical intricacies and designers broke molds and innovated. Uncultured new money certainly gravitates towards status symbols, but collectors and enthusiasts are passionate about the craftsmanship and history and would much rather have an iconic Swatch or a Casio than an imitation high end watch.
@@mesteme I think that the point being made simply was that these watches, considering what they offer, are grossly overpriced. You are buying into the heritage and the brand more than the actual physical goods you get... After all, a $500 fake looks almost as good as the original, so I'd wager you'd be able to get a nigh-undistinguishable fake for $1000 or less. The other $49,000 you're paying is for the brand, or whatever abstract idea it is that they're selling to you.
@@RM-el3gw Except you're not just paying for the brand. The Nautilus wouldn't have been the Nautilus if it hadn't been for decades of research, mistakes, know-how, r&d, trials and error. It is silly to compare the bare production price of the two. No one would have made the imitation if the Nautilus hadn't been desirable, the Nautilus would not have been desireable if PP hadn't made it and to get to make it it requires incalculable resources over decades of both engineering from Patek and artistic talent and culture from Gerald Genta.
@@mesteme nah.. they're still over priced. They only got cloned because the demand is high but no one is willing to spend that much on a watch. Tons of stuff had a lot of r&d like in the tech industry. The only difference I can see are these watches are hand made. But seeing as the replicas are also hand made yet it cost just 1% of the real one is something to think about. Going back in the 60s and 70s, watched like Rolex costs a fraction of what they are today even if you factor in inflation. Sure the watches had some improvement in built quality but that doesn't justify the price at all. It just go rebranded as a luxury product over the decades.
Years back, I bought a low priced battery powered Casio for myself. Some friends liked it for its individual colour & design. For me,, it's rather a question of choosing between an affordable original or (likely a more expensive) fake one.
@@ragnarlothbrok936 and no one is trying to tell you what to do with your money. You asked why she didn't say where she got the fake. 99% of watch people, don't condone buying fakes. So why would she go against her moral compass and support a fake counterfeit watch maker? If it's your prerogative to buy a fake, find it yourself.
they will never have. You can be a master painter, you will never paint the Gioconda again. because the value does not simply reflect the quality, is a convention. And you can not became a convention overnight. Maybe her/his grandsons/daughter will
@@federicobrivio7569 they definitely already make watches to be able to create such a good clone, you simply don't know who made it. Btw a watch is not a unique piece, so that reasoning doesn't really apply.
@@v0ldy54 actually not. Part of the value is in the scarcity of the production, which is controlled. You trust that the brand produces a limited amount of watches for a limited period of time. Or better, part of the value is bound to the fact that the watches production could be limited in time and numbers.
I've got a £500 Richard Mille , in order to clone it spot on they had to but a selection of them , so they could reverse engineer them , because of the real price through the roof they are one of the best but also expensive They will often clone machinery that make the real ones , the only difference is sometimes you can get the odd crap AAA , because their quality control isn't a high standard
@@v0ldy54 don't compare a mass production item with a unique piece of art. if a painting was drawn and then programmed by Picasso with a Machine and the result controlled by him or his employees... you could compare the 2 worlds
The great thing about these types of watches in our day and age, is that you can always be wearing a tshirt, jeans, adidas and a patek phillipe, and if someone asks about it, you just say I made a ton of money on crypto.
If the fake one has a generic ETA movement it will run for longer than the legit Patel. And will be cheaper to service too in the 20 years in the first it needs service
@defia16bars again, im not gonna give you any links, but if you search for nautilus or aquanaut clone movement on google images you'll be able to find the particular factory, I've seen one in flesh a few months ago, its real
@defia16bars that's why it's so much easier to fake a watch that runs on basic eta movements, like tissot & low end longines or thick watches like panerai. No one is going to copy piaget's ultra thin.
Imagine some rich guy walking out of the store with a real one, then me driving by in a 1998 Toyota trecel waving my arm out the window with basically the same watch.
if you are driving a 1998 Toyota trecel, you probably can barely afford oil change and fuel for that car, let alone buying a fake that's more expensive than your actual car :P
Imagine......You care enough to buy a fake and he does not even see you as he goes past in his Ferrari....and if he did see you he'd know you're a fake.
@@petarmiladinovic4126 I'll have you know sir I skipped the oil change and took the bus for 2 weeks to save up for this tacky/dated watch thank you very much!
@@thegenrl Yep, fact remains if you can afford a 50k watch, you don't care about a numnuts in a Toyota. He is not interested in fakes who wear fakes and buy knock off designer gear. He buys the real thing.🤣🤣🤣
@John Doe There are some Pateks that are affordable, vintage ones, I would go that route if I wanted a legit Patek, or just buy a fake on too if I wanted a nautilus
The dials on most swiss watches are so plain and basic that it makes it easy to clone. Am yet to see a clone of a Grand Seiko dial. What does this tell you ?
That the market demand is not there and it's not worth the opportunity cost. Better to make a new sub or SMP rep that will sell like hotcakes rather than a GS that will not.
@@Macca-95 well it doesn't change the fact they can make a sub so good that even for a watch seller like me, it is very hard to spot. we can still see it, but we always have to check everyting. if the chinese can do that for 500 dollars. i always wonder how can a rolex sub be above 6k
@@iaido01 Because people will pay it. They have lost any argument of quality that they may have had at one time. Now they sell $2000 watches for $8000 and people will buy them, so they keep charging it.
Well the initial price is still very high but is one third of it. The fact that they have stopped the production makes it a highly desirable watch for many thus the very high price of 60k in auctions or specialized websites « Chrono24 » so jf you want to speculate this is one to get. The one I wanted to buy was 25’000 asked them to keep it for me 2 months and they wouldn’t so went 2 months later and it was sold right away checked the price on the website and it was already 47’000 today 4 years later it is at 140’000 ! 🤷🏼♂️
Its really hard to tell which one is the original and the fake one if you're just a new watch collector. This video definitely gives us the idea on what differentiates the fake and the OG. Thanks for the video 😊🤟
@@leemartin2978 luxury goods, the margin tends to vary widely, with watches I'd be surprised at less than 3-400% to the manufacturer, obviously less to the reseller. If you think that's criminal, you'll never buy perfume again, their profit margins are in the 000%'s
@@leemartin2978 That's a lot! Even though I love the oyster perpetual but damn almost half the price is the markup. so we are basically paying for the name.
@@tonyd223 I know the markup on fragrances is a lot. I absolutely love perfume and have a minimalistic collection of niche and designer fragrances. the juice itself is quite affordable to make (for designer fragrances) but niche fragrances use more natural ingredients and oils hence they are in the $200 - $800 price range.
Something like a Rolex Submariner costs aprox $500 to produce out of the factory. That makes it around 1700% in markup. Which is perfectly in line with other jewlery items
I know a guy who purchased multiple super fakes of his favorite watches so he can wear them around 24/7 without worrying about them getting stolen or damaged. He keeps the real ones in a safe back at home, so they don't collect wear and tear. He goes to a lot of parties and fundraisers and hasn't ever had a single person ask him if his watch was fake or imply that it might be fake. And he told me that he got the idea from a friend of his who was a watch collector who did the same exact thing. And if you're ultimate goal is to pass the watch off as authentic to a perspective buyer you can even pay extra and get them to use a real cloned serial #, invoice & paperwork showing the watch was privately sold to you from the original owner that the watch was officially sold too and is probably still in possession of the real one. With this type of provenance rarely will a watch maker even open the watch unless they're a red flag like the weight being off or the material being the wrong type which both are taken care of with super fakes now. Heck, even the CNC machines they use to make the watch parts can produce a surface finish that is similar to a human manually lapping the parts and even leave patterns that look like the part was hand finished. Also, this isn't just happening with watches. This is also happening with designer clothing, bags, jewelry, shoes, etc. You name it and super fakes are being manufacture right that rival the real thing for quality of materials and construction. This has also been a huge problem for electronics lately. People have been selling Air pods Max super clones on Facebook for $300 that they buy for $150 that look, feel and weigh the same as real air pods max and even have interchangeable magnetic ear pads, proper markings and even register with the device as a proper air pods max but the sound quality isn't quite as good (it's good enough to fool anyone that hasn't listened to a real pair though). I even had a friend who picked up a pair for $300 and I told them they were probably fake when they said they got them from Facebook. The giveaway ended up being how the band adjusted and how it wasn't smooth as the real thing. But the packaging was perfect and it was shrink-wrapped when they purchased it. They fakes are so good now that even the Apple Store checks every single headset being returned to make sure the serial # on it matches a sale to the same person in their database and it matches between the packaging and the headset because they have been burned since even their employees can't tell them apart without pairing them and doing A-B testing. Future is going to get weird folks. Come hang out on my live stream sometime and we can talk about it.
Hi Jenni! I recommend you to do a video about the brand “Longines”. I think it provides the best performance related with it’s prices. it’s history since 1832.. I would be happy if you answer!
The replica guys in China thank you for pointing out the flaws that they need to fix for their next release. The real sad part is that you pay $60k for a "real" and you know it cost probably $1000 at best to make.
You're absolutely wrong, if you factor in the building, equipment, and work-time expenses for a swiss company, with $1000 you can't even make the clasp
@@gfilippou Have you ever seen videos where fake vs real are compared? There are some really good fakes that even the experts say on certain aspects look better made etc than the real deal. Fact is, just like anything, you're buying the hype and the name for the most part. Do you really think it costs $60K to make a patek? unless its laden with diamonds or a Richard Mille that costs $400k?
@@optimusprime1634 Of course it doesn't cost $60K to build as then the company would make no profit selling them. But an average Patek watchmaker makes about $100k/year with benefits and makes about 100 watches. So that's ~$10k watch for the manufacturing work. And I don't actually think a watchmaker can make 100 of these $60k model per year because of their complexities. Then of course they need to pay for sales, marketing, logistics, materials, real estate, and research and development of new stuff Patek is a high margin business but also high cost. In China however the "watchmaker" probably gets paid a few hundred bucks per month and the watch making is mostly automated and they spend $0 for development. So $60k for a watch is a crazy price but it really costs Patek more than $10k on average to make that watch. The company gross profit margin is somewhere around 40-50%... the same as Apple.
@@tn_onyoutube8436 you have no idea what you are waffling on about. High end reps have cloned movements that run at COSC especially if you have it serviced.
@@ralfybaby Sure, very high end ones, maybe. But most people are not talking about true high end. People who buy fakes, mostly buy $100 fakes. Now FUCK OFF and be rude to someone else. Asshole.
I do watch repair and this is the first time I’ve heard someone else take about the metal grain to spot a fake . I’ve always use that method and the weight method. High end watch companies use high grade stainless steel or solid gold and have a very distinct weight it’s not about being heavy or light it’s just the right weight or not . You can use the weight / feel method on any item from purses , game controllers to construction tools we’ve all picked up something cheap and something high end and you can immediately feel the difference.
Yes, my fake Rolex feels lighter than the real version, but also owning a real one, the fake is a more accurate timekeeper, cost only £200 (Real £4000 +) and if muged I'd feel a lot less annoyed handing it to the arsehole behind the weapon. He would have to get it apprised to know it wasn't pukka ; and if he sold it to another theiving twat, (as real,) he would mayby be looking for new knee caps later. Also the night "Lume" on the fake is pathetic! I'll continue to use my real one at home - and my fake - on holiday.
It’s curious the level of capability and resource available to the fakers. Human hands and extra finishing work aside, it’s kind of wild how much they ARE able to achieve at this price point. Makes one wonder where the 100x cost on the real one actually comes from. For starters, a stainless steel casing for a $60k watch? That should be titanium at the very least for that kind of money.
only an idiot like you would wonder and not see that those watchmakers actually designed and created the watches from scratch, of course taking a shortcut to copying that design would make much cheaper.
I really appreciate the original’s craftsmanship and the detail and quality of materials used but it’s just way out of range so a nice replica would be nice. I’m not going to go flaunting telling people I have one just used for my enjoyment until the day I can buy an original.
Among Chinese watches, you can also get a much nicer watch for the same amount of money that does not try to look like a Patek. Like a sugess tourbillion for example, which has a nice Tourbillion movement unlike the Patek.
It says that you don't know how to appreciate an original watch that is better than a fake one, and that you haven't been successful enough in life to afford a real one, so you buy a fake stuff
That’s impressive. You can see the difference if you investigate closely side by side but the reality of that happening in real life is pretty slim. Also demonstrates the brand markup on the genuine product, the finesse of the real deals quality details doesn’t quantify x100+ pricing.
If you can spot it then Replicators with specialists definitely seen and fixed it. It’s impossible to detect the differences even by OEM watchmakers if they don’t have an original to compare
I was going to start a proper collection of my own but a couple friends had the same Omega seamaster chronos - one fake and the other real. Put it this way - the look on the face of the real owner was enough. Apart from the fake being less than 1mm thicker we could not really tell the difference - even under the microscope. You’d only ever be ‘found out’ if you bumped into someone with a real one and a super magnifier. But worse - the real owner then sold his £7k watch and bought several replicas so now has a collection of high end watches which he can wear without fear of damaging etc. whereas he previously only wore his real omega to ‘nice places’ and had an everyday Seiko Prospex. But it was his face. Honestly - the colour drained before my eyes. He’s not looked back and tells me he feels even more smug now than he did with an authentic watch.
bravo jenni for the great comparison and being honest also! if someone does not have the original next to the replica, indeed it is very difficult unless someone is watch maker
So If I have a Ferrari, I can buy a fake and people are gonna be convinced? I think that the main focus is that no one is gonna give about your watch. Maybe 1% of the population and 0.5% can distinguish a fake from an authentic, especially if this good. So you should buy and use a watch if it pleasures you, if a 500€ fake Patek is your thing, go for it, if it's a 500€ Junghans, that's probably better. If it's a 60k Patek, well enjoy it. No one is ever gonna say something more than "oh nice watch!"
@@massx999 You are absolutely right, Sir. I have a number of high-quality (and quite expensive) watches, but I almost never get asked about them, no matter what "Society" I am walking in. Only my HEUER Monaco Gulf Edition 50th anniversary often attracts attention: it is anything but mainstream with its appearance , with the wonderful colours. But even a Seadweller J. Cameron Deep Sea blue (which is a real beauty for me !) Is hardly ever noticed. But I'm also pretty happy about it; it is much more relaxing not to be the center of attention ! Tom/Germany
So to actually be able to tell the difference, you need a microscope and a real version next to the replica. Yeah, PP can keep their 60,000 euro. I will take the 500 euro replica and invest the difference.
hahaha they making people look so stupid buying those overpriced watches, if factory was relocated in china with chinese master watch makers and they would cut costs that gen 60K watch would cost no more than 2000 USD for sure.
Well its not really about that. Id say 60.000 is for a normal jobber too highto consider. But let's say this would be about 6k rolex and a fake of it. I think you can ofc buy the fake - but it will never give you the same feeling of accomplishment like a real one, since many buy them to gift themselves for reaching a goal for example. It's not about the quality it's about the status that comes with it...
The replica is seriously impressive - I can see how the Patek might be worth more, but not 100x as much - maybe 5 or 10x given the higher cost of materials and the better finishing of the movement. I think we are a few years away from perfect 1:1 replicas for a fraction of the price.
Appreciate Jenni to pick a bad fake to tell us not to buy them. Trust me, I've seen fakes that even better than the real one. They just work a bit less precise and that's all.
The whole in house movement thing is a scam. Because that way you can only service the movement by the manufacturer themselves or authorised watch makers. Otherwise you actually lose the authenticity and your expensive watch gains the status of fake With an ETA or some other generic movement anybody can work in the movement. And they're very reliable
That's a moot point at the moment because there are several factories that manufacture Nautilus replicas and some versions are way closer in dial color to the original.
The one that Jenni shot and that we are currently discussing is clearly blue rather than blue-green. That there are other, better ones is fascinating but doesn't make my point in the slightest bit moot as it's irrelevant.
@@thefollandgnat can't speak for myself because I'm not into fake watches and can't speak for others either because from what I can tell there's a lot of energy thrown in this hobby/business depending on the angle of looking at it.
The year 2035... "under an electron microscope you can clearly see the deviation of approximately 72 molecules on the hand dial. This is because even though the process of manufacturing is exactly the same, the production line is located near the mountain Amne Machin where the magnetic profile of the nearby rocks is affecting the calibration of nano-3D-printers".
This could be a thing really.
I am struggling to reconcile the €59,500 price difference...... call me cheap but you can buy a small hobby farm in Portugal for the price difference or maybe a Porsche....... just saying
Wasn’t it mulberry whom found out the best fakes out there where actually being made by it’s own staff working at night using materials from mulberries very own suppliers, they where effectively genuine mulberry in everything except serial number (and the price tag 🏷 😬🤦🏻♂️)
@@firstnamesecondname5341 When was this do you have a article link?
@@firstnamesecondname5341 maybe this is why a lot of products come with a GUID aka NFT these days, hmm...
I think your doing a better job at selling the fake watch than justifying paying $60,000 for the real thing
Donny 5000, due to people like you fake (made in china) watches are being made. You guys are so shameless
If you dont want to pay its price just dont wear them thats it! Cheap watches are there fucking wear them
Please stop this fake watch culture. Please understand me its destroying many people 1st luxury watch experience
Musk -Tesla ....I truly can care less about your stupid luxury watch experience. My thoughts have nothing to do with what you buy. The person who pays $60,000 for a watch and the person who pays $150 for a fake watch both have one thing in common. They Both are proving to people (who really don't care) why they bought a watch. It's wealthy watch snobs as your self who look down upon us measly peasants because you have the blessings of mighty Odin, who ruin watch culture as a whole ....good day sir! Or madame.
I use my cell phone to tell time so why need a watch other than to impress the ladies with the flashy real or fake bling 😍
See i have a girlfriend so i dont need to impress anyone
I buy luxury watches bcoz it gives me a self satisfaction-the Quality, its weight , services...i dont bling or show them off
And yeah only cheap dudes show off like who have a fake one, bcoz i ain't stupid to wear a 50,000£ watch in public and damage it
JUST TO BLING
And yes i am not lucky, its self earned money it took me around 2 years to get my 1st luxury watch so plzzz!
I think the biggest tell is when your friend turns up in a £60000 watch when you know where he works XD
And...he's imigrant who pushing boxes in local DHL storage :DDD classic
@@SVIMAZfromD5 be happy that he is doing that instead of you
@@SVIMAZfromD5 Dude, buy yourself one authentic Aquanaut and one Nautilus, so ypu can enjoy false sense of freedom with some bling factor. It has nothing to do with slavery topic.
@@petemarx1129 Take towel and wipe your tears 🤣 joke always good only when u insult someone.... And I see that was a good joke:DD Good luck mate🤞👍🤣🤣
@@SVIMAZfromD5 just say Bitcoin bro
The attention to detail on Igrotum's replicas is incredible
Rolex lost a lot of money because of them.
After this leak, nothing will be the same.
You have no idea how big this is-it’s changing the replica game for good.
Since Igrotum hacked it, the prices of aftermarket watches have dropped significantly.
Nice, now I know where to buy mine!
The build quality and finish here, put a lot of legitimate Swiss brands to shame.
The last 1% takes 99% of the time.
Hi, just want you to know that we make Patek watches handmade.
Each % of perfection cost more and more. This is geometric progression. You can buy nice authentic swiss made watch for 500 euro and you don't need to buy this fake. And, in 99% cases this watch will be better than fake patek.
Nowaday its just like listening an original song by paying or recorded it from the internet free. Lol.
@@Demoni696 And the cost to a low paid chinese person is.? and that is if they are even being paid.Remember it is a criminal who is having these made.
why am i watching this? i can't even afford the fakes
We ALL want what we can't have.......
😂
But you can afford a high end cell phone foo 😂
@-- is worth cos u will get lots of dates and stuff 😂
@Delta Fox RW is a mid range wannabe luxury brand with no resale value cause they also produce quartz watches made in china. If thats ur best watch then so be it....just enjoy it as i will continue to wear my Rolex with its resale value continues to go up 😃😸
Where do you get such good clones?
Don't trust these fakes, buy from us
Who is us
This comment section is amazing 🤣
" Us" seems a reputable Name for a fake watches company to me 🤣
Bro these comments have me weak😂😂😂
H8Z10 has set a new standard for replica watches. Their craftsmanship is impeccable. Its hard to tell the difference from the originals
What is the website? A google search came up empty
Who cares, its still fake bro. Fake watch = fake person.
Website is h8z10
Shut up bot
@steelsteez6118 who the f cares about some pieces of metal lmfao 😂
The real theft takes place when you pay 60k for the authentic watch.
# Facts
Hahaha!
Especially when the watch is ugly like that
This watch is made for rich people and the brand is very niche at rich people. The replica is if you want to fool your rich friend since it isn’t even widely know to the general public like Rolex. A Patek Philipe for 60k is cheap if you consider that they made models that cost around 200k
It’s not theft; it’s the free market. If someone doesn’t want to pay 60k for a watch, he doesn’t have to.
Stealing someone’s design and logo and telling other people that it’s the real thing IS theft.
The most shocking thing about seeing a super rep is the realisation that the authentic costing loads of thousands actually isn't worth its price tag.
What’s the justification of the outrageous price again?! Is it the scarcity!
Of course when you look in this way it’s not worth it, a 2 dollar watch can tell the time just as well as one worth 2 million dollars.
@Search for watches i am. got a website?
The irony is, the real one is worth 5 times its original RRP. The fake is worthless.
You buy a prestige, a social statut etc...not the product. If you ask my opinion some of the Picasso's are shit...if you gave them to me ...fam I will show them to the world or sell them directly same result social statut....and even in my example people don't need to know how I get it or it loose value....so you see , it's just the prestige
Maker of the Super Clone:
Thank you.
Now we know where to improve in the next batch.
Anything is possible, the main issue here is cost. If you make the fake 1:1 to the real, you cant price it at 500
They know but they cant make it any better or else their production cost will be more. If they increase the price, it becomes less appealing.
they already knew what to improve.
If quality is good as replication with acurate function I will buy. Can you provide contacct info, please?
😂
Funnily enough, replicas are perfect for people who can actually afford a Patek Phillipe. Because in those social circles, it wouldn't matter and everybody would just assume it's real. You have a yacht and a beach house in Tuscany, of course that replica is real. There isn't a millionaire out there going around with a jeweller's loupe to scrutinize their acquaintance's watch. They'll just go "Oh is that a Patek? Nice, I should really get my hands on one of those, they look great."
I agree. But not if you are famous and in the hip hop industry. In France. Booba the most rich one from my country have been seen with a fake one on TV. He still mocked for that 2 years later
it's true. Also, many rich people actually DO use costume jewelry/watches etc in case of theft..
Until they figure out it's fake and you ruin your reputation.
Plus if you're caught, you just say 'the original is in my safe' and they believe you because they all have safes with watches in too
Bill Gates wears a Casio
I summarize:
1. The Chinese knockoff offers insane fit & finish (for about $500) that puts all other competitors in it's price range to shame.
2. The Swiss "original" basically embodies a millionare tax
if they can replicate it at 1/10000 of the cost and is working as a watch, that means - such a marketing ripoff and overexpensive manpower of the original ! gofor fake !!!
@@wongraymond The Chinese are masters replicating stuff, but they are unable to create anything. Without the original (and I agree too expensive) no Chinese knockoff 😉
Да в четверг не попали и я со 100 метров увижу подделку .Да оригинальные я ждал 7 месяцев и обошлись они мне в 75000€
@@АлексейАлехин-ф5ъ ja neznaju kak ti palucil eti ciasi za 7 mesecav, ja v germaniji v oceredi 324, v god diler paluciajet 3-4 ciasiki, skolka mne jescio zdat, mazesch paschscitat? ;)
@@geminiFree Apart from most things we take for granted was `invented` by `Chinese like money and beer for starters , compass and rudder were pretty major too , toothbrushes , croossbow , paper ....
Nobody:
Absolutely nobody:
China: thank you for the review, we’ll try to improve for you
😂😂
People genius enough to do work like this, totally lost as to what people are actually telling them xD
rafa , from where we can buy it
If they can see it and touch it, China will produce it!
Pablo Isaac facts 😂🤣😂
But i bet they never make perfect replica. Why? Because they make good profit making replica with flaws. So they make new version. Again and again. So, i think rep company like noob, ppf, jf, etc are deceive you guys.
Why i think like this? Because when i see rep watch with nowaday quality, i think they can build exactly 100% perfect. But they won't. They just make super rep or NWBIG quality with some flaws. New version of their rep just fix some flaw not fix all flaw, meanwhile some youtube video or replica forum like rwi or rwg tell the difference between rep and gen so detail.
So, i think better you buy gen.
One good thing when buying fake is that you don't worry if you got a fake or not... You are sure it's a fake one.
True. Because there are so many fake watches out there.
And you are not dumping a truckload of dollar bills.
For $300+ it's a quality watch regardless of it being fake, especially versus paying $40,000-$100,000+
@@markurry3149 Same as buying fake designer clothing........they can't afford it but want it....so sad for those people.
Nice one
She actually made the video to make a even more accurate fake
igrotum is the only replica factory that sells and manufactures their watches themselves also have original serial numbers. That's why they are the best
Oh good, a bot.
to anyone who is actually curious, ppf is the factory for a rep nautilus.... but no $700 rep will be the same as a 60k watch.
@@dankyden How do you know it's not a 3KF?
@@schraderclemens6122 I dont. I didnt say this was necessarily a ppf. I said ppf is the factory to look for if you want a rep nautilus, which is true.
Nice, now I know where to buy mine!
Where do people buy these really good clones?
In china 😂
@Luxury Lifestyle 69 who are you and how do we do business
Newyork city China town
@@iangomes1851 only people who can afford a real one should buy fake ones.. nobody believes Steven the stock boy in Wally Worlds Patek is real
Dhgate
at this point, i don't think even a person who has the real one knows these tiny differences anymore except from watch makers. honestly impressed with the replica for their craftsmanship at this price point.
I've owned 3 Pateks and although the replica looks great I could tell instantly. Give a Patek owners a little more credit.
@@MysticalGB The dial colour is an immediate give away along with the finish on the bezel. Otherwise it looks great.
@@MysticalGB I have seen VERY many clones and real ones, I would easy take a bet to spot the fake abd the original. They look very good for people who don't know what a Patek is. Too bad many people don't know the brand and they all just want a boring Submariner knock-off :D
People go for high end luxury items because they are well made. The fake had huge brushed lines on the bezel that make one think of it being hurriedly and haphazardly made. And they make it unpleasant to look at because they draw attention to themselves (and in a bad way, because they're not diamonds or something).
@@californiaplant-basedeater2761 It’s status that drives these purchases, not how well made the watches are. Chinese replica manufacturers spend $250 on producing a replica of a $30k watch and get it 99% right. Do you really think the genuine watch is worth 100x as much for the handful of minor improvements over the replica?
Honestly, most of these differences aren’t going to be noticeable unless you have the genuine watch right next to you. I buy replicas even though I could easily afford the genuine watches. I think most of the people who get called out for wearing replicas are guys who work retail jobs and try to pull off a Rolex.
These replicas are getting too close for comfort. As a watchmaker l have found only one simple way to spot a fake Patek or Rolex. Ok you need to open the watch.... so maybe its not so simple.
The balance wheel is regulated by small weights on the balance wheel. It's called a free sprung balance wheel and is very difficult to make and adjust. Most balance wheels are simply adjusted by changing the length of the spring using an extra arm that pinches the spring. All fakes use this method!!
I know that sounds complicated but a two minute search with photos will give you all the Information you need and you will be able to spot a fake easily. It's not difficult. If the fakers learn to copy this too then lm giving up and going to sell straw hats and coconuts on a beach somewhere.
Maybe replica manufacturers dont think its important to regular customers so they dont try to replicate it xD?
Stephen S2R but in theory can't you have a reeeeaallly good fake with a real automatic Rolex movement inside
@@djordje4304 This type of balance regulating ineeds very high quality and specialist manufacturing plus it needs to be adjusted by hand by a watch maker which takes time, say minimum 30 minutes per watch. There is a reason why these watches are expensive.
Simply put it would at best double the price and half their production. Most people buying fakes don't even know or care. Which thankfully for now makes it easy to spot them. If everyone here has looked up what l pointed out then you will never have to worry about buying a fake for now...
@@stephens2r338 VSF factory that is based in China and specializes in Omega replicas has a few models that copy the balance regulator and tend to be the most desired models, they use the clone Omega 8900 movement. However currently the beat rate is a bit higher then what Omegas run at 28,800 bph vs Omegas 25,600 or whatever they run at
@@jackson7962 thanks for your comment, l have looked at pictures of their movement and even though they look almost identical they still have the extra regulating arm. They do not have a free balanced movement.. When you know what to look for it's so easy to spot the fake. It's as obvious as spelling Roleks. Please take a few minutes to search, observe and learn. Afterwards you too will be just as qualified to spot a fake
so where’s the link for a replica? asking for a friend
That’s what I’m talking about!
seriously, I am wondering where one buys these super replicas
@@MrDrmorbid jtime ur welcome
Toupolloiul
@@b0zay what version pp or bp
China: “We make these changes. Thank you.”
😂😂😂
some they cant , because they lack the specialized equipment to do so. or the movement is too big. but give it another 10 years and you wont be able to tell.
I’d love to see the factory in which this replica is made, and the processes they use. To achieve this level of finishing for this price... must be a pretty advanced workshop by anyone’s measure.
What surprises me is how much do they pay their watch maker if they sale it for 500..
Maybe they make more than 2 per year so they can accept smaller margins lol
Yeh, just shows how much these companies make as profit.
Two ways to look at it. Ya, maybe these replica workshops are pretty advanced...Or maybe it just goes to show how much you are overpaying for the real thing if these replica companies can thrive making watches of similar quality for less than 10% the price
@@vivelajonny you’re now on the no fly list for Switzerland.
That is an AAA China watch. it cannot be compared to Ziarex watches because they sell real super clones, basically the same watches as the originals.
Bot?
Bro bot more obvious
@@JensMüller33 yes, you are.
Stop posting this under every videe about fakes
@@amostofi1999It’s a bot
The clone is amazing; and well worth the money.
it's not worth it, if I want a Patek (because it's not a Patek), and it's not worth it, if I want a watch (I can get a watch for 10 bucks), so how exactly is it worth it?
@@paimei7143 get your feeling out of it ITS WORTH IT
@@wellnesportstore9519 I don't mind if people buy them, I own a Patek out of respect and sentiment for this company and its heritage, not everyone has that sentiment and it's fine. Paying for a cherade to impress others is not uncommon, people build castles made out of cartoon to feel 'elevated'. The real question (for me) is what's going to be left from all of this for my grandchildren. I don't want them to inherit a fake mockery, masquerading as something divine. That would only be a testimony of my own vanity.
Where did you buy it, send me the website
@Replica Moissanite Watches send me a link
90% of design and finishing for 1% of the price. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Fakes are illegal. Fake people buy fake watches. I don't even mind people buying homage watches... if they like the design and can't afford the price tag.
@@brianhsin678 Am I a fake human? Was I made in a lab? What do you know? Tell me! I need answers!!
But seriously, your opinion is important to me. Please share more of your opinions. If I consider buying a fake watch but haven't yet, does that make me a potential fake human? And if I call it a replica, does that make me a replica human? If your greatest hero bought a fake watch, would that make them fake? I feel like your view is missing some nuance.
@@willfrank961 ask yourself why you want a fake watch. If it is the design, you have many homages made by legit companies, with equal or better QC. The only reason to have one, is to pass it off as something it is not. Furthermore, the repilca/fake market is tied with alot of other black market activity, including child labor.
@@brianhsin678 You can also buy a homage if you like the design and DO have the money for the original. Rolex is overpriced and makes use of useless premium materials (like on the dial). I would never ever want to support the brand. But I do love my $70 Pagani design Yaghtmaster with the grey dial.
@@willfrank961 you sound angry haha
If it is so hard to spot a fake, I think the luxury watch makers need to invest more into creating master pieces which cannot be cloned… it’s an absolute shame to pay for anything which can be replicated to such a degree. It significantly devalues the investment
They have pieces that can't be replicated this is not one of them
Exactly, no one is replicating ferraris where the only real way to spot the difference is bringing to Ferrari to a Ferrari dealership
Everything made by humans only bro .. whatever technology they make folks can copy and remake it for cheaper price
Stupid thing to say
see thats your problem, you view watches as investments
My question is: Does it really matter?
Both look stylish, and how many of your friends would know the difference?
Both keep time, but do you really need accuracy when it's worn for appearance?
YOU’D know. Fake watches are for fake people. Why tell the truth about anything?
It does. Would you rather have the original Mona Lisa worth 860 mil or ali express copy for 10? Same idea
First point.
There is absolutely no chance of me making a $60,000 mistake.
Yeah but those watches are amazing investments they are all selling for way above retail like double. So if your lucky to find one at retail you’re getting payed 60k to wear the watch. This girls dumb saying a 60k mistake, no matter how cheap and nice the replica is it’ll never compare to the real one.
you clearly haven't been married...
@@MarcoElkes wut
Exactly 👌
The real question is, "Is the original worth the price or are you paying for a name alone?"
If u wanna use a magnifying glass everytime u check the time
Wow how eye opening... Obviously if you dismantle a watch and melt everything down, the sum of it's parts will be less valuable than the assembled piece of art... Not one single person seriously in the market for a Patek is even a little bit concerned about price vs. function lmao. It's a bit like asking if a DaVinci is actually worth more than the paint and canvas it's made from. The answer is obviously yes. It's worth what people will pay for it.
@@jswanza DaVincis are far rarer than a Patek. This watch is nothing like a DaVinci.
@@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 The point stands. You will never be in the market for a Patek, so to you it's not worth the price. To many others it is.
@@jswanza lol You have no idea what my net worth is or what I'd be in the market for. Maybe I'm taking that wrong way. But, I'd be more interested in something that rarer.
I'm not for clones but this just shows how much someone is willing to pay, not for the watch, but for it to be a status symbol.
Also the movement quality.
@@skaramicke Incorrect...
@@skaramicke I would say people buy the real thing for appreciation, build quality, and/or as an heirloom. I was interested in getting a fake Rolex submariner when I graduate but I would rather spend 15k on a real one for appreciation and resale sakes. When it comes to high end real watches I would personally treat them as investments as well as being able to enjoy the “real” thing.
Every fake rolex I've seen or had, has held its time better than a real, certified rolex. I can't see why I'd pay for a real one, there are better, less fragile things to invest money into for the long term.
@@saint3211 Exactly.....👍
One of the left is real. I bought a fake Tag Heuer in Thailand for around $30 and the quality is crazy good. My mom, as I was living overseas and left the watch in US, took it to a jewelry shop to get a new battery and the lady who helped her at one of the oldest jewelers in town asked, "Honey, do you have insurance for this watch, it's really expensive?" 🤣🤣🤣
She was just trying to sell you insurance. Dealers won’t tell you if you have a fake if they can sell you something.
Is there even any quartz Tag expensive enough to need an insurance?
@@svdragunov I don't know, probably wanted to sell the insurance, but the point was...just goes to show how good that fake is made.
If you are buying a watch just because you like the looks, there is no reason to pay 59.500$ more.
But you have to know that this kind of things are not made for you..... not for me too
Lolo Bibi Who cares? Fuck this gatekeeping
@@Cedrikkkk Being in a financial situation to drop 60k on a timepiece is not gatekeeping.
@Perkin Warbeck because companies that make the prices of their goods levitate sending watches with the dropper to dishonst resellers, is what they deserve, rolex most of all. More reek of desperation when someone thinks an object can make the difference.
@Perkin Warbeck shorter of about 59.500$, not bad as i said if you're getting something just because you like the apperance.
I have to admit that after watching this video…I was very impressed with the perfection of the replica…and I still can't believe it!!!!
Conclusion: The Swiss Watch Industry has been ripping us off for almost 100 years now
Buy Grand Seiko.
@@JDDD33 I'm not on that level of watch game. I have a humble 6 piece watch collection and the flagship is my Omega SMP300.
@@theoneandonly7213 the SMP300 is a nice watch
That's for sure !!
If anything good comes from the pandemic it’s how the Basel world and luxury watch game needs to adjust and rethink how they do business and stop passing off the costs of marketing and advertising to the watch enthusiasts.
I goes goosebump every time I look to the authentic Patek watch! My whole life will never get it on hand haha
The clone is so good that I cannot quite figure out why the people who made it couldn't accurately match the original 5711's dial colour.
Because if they make the watch with 7 (or more) differences ,compared to the real version, they are less responsible for making a fake version.
@@xander2033 But they have already faked the trademark. Pagani watches may look like Rolex watches but it clearly says Pagani on the dial. Not so here.
The machining work and instruments it takes to craft the polish finishes and attention to detail on small components are costly and economically unprofitable for mass production bare in mind maintenance and expertise it may require to operate.
@@xander2033 you mean legally responsible? Is this in the copyright law or something?
@张秋风
I need a High End Rep
There’s no reason a watch needs to cost $68,000. Even if it is made by tiny Swiss elves in a cave in the alps.
MM79 peasant? what does that mean? If it’s supposed to be funny I’m trying to find the joke , if it’s supposed to be insulting I’m trying to find the put down. Fail!
MM79 oh you’re a watch review troll. Have fun weirdo.
It doesn’t, at least not new. It only gets to that point on the second-hand market, because so few of them are made.
tboneta2 just ignore him. He’s clearly an utter moron going around calling people peasants on TH-cam 😂
Bravo 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 well said !!
Buy from an authorized dealer?
If only that was possible.
where can I buy the clone?
Rover Waters watch my channel
They’ll be outside in the street trying to drag you in to buy soon. The current global crisis is a massive wake up for these brands and especially their retailers.
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@@RoverWaters I want buy one clone too, just because it's beautiful and cheap .I like the design
Watches can be cloned, but Jenni cannot. She is one of a kind!
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I never thought I would find a channel like yours. You legit have the best camera angles and very in depth reviews 😗
Lol just try London Watch Collector
He is the best
She's nothing compared to him
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@@Anirudh679173 oh yes mate.
Let's help our fellow men instead of this woman
When I saw this video, I instantly realized, that actually... this is not truly original content, because identical videos appear first on german-speaking TenPastTen/Watchvice channel. All the production is made by that german-speaking guy and after that Jenni just repeats the same in English - for a broader auditory (compare the numbe of subscribers to their respective channels :) )
@@captainjacksparrow1 Well, because... this is not her content :) Only English-spoken narrative part. The rest is from here - th-cam.com/channels/Sebdzr3_pcmHVx9GHvXkfQ.html
Conclusion: almost same watch can be made for 600€ and they are making profit for selling a watch at this price. Patek and rolex are really overcharging us by a huge margin.
Not really. If you see the amount of work and the quality of the materials that go into a real luxury watch, you'll understand why the best watches are also ridiculously expensive. A fake watch maker doesn't have to spend anything on design and R&Dfor example.
@@duprie37 this assumes all luxury watch makers are being honest and pricing their watches according to the material value they provide. I know you're not that blue-eyed. If Patek sells a watch for 100k it doesn't mean they invested almost 100k in materials and finishing. It just means someone is willing to pay it.
@@willfrank961
Facts, as Nico Leonard said, I could say this is the retail price but it's not what the watch is actually worth.
Without the Patek and Rolex, what would the fake designers base their design off and sell knock-offs? why don't they just make their own brand? Name matters a lot.
Brand name matters a lot. But the biggest thing the fakes cannot replicate is heritage and servicibility. You buy a Patek for yourself, your child and even your grandchildren. Patek promises (and keeps its promise) to provide servicing for your timepiece indefinitely. No replica can do that.
Imagine a microbrand watch for 500$ with that kind of finish and decoration on a SW200.
Tbh i thought the same thing
It's a bizarre social disconnect because China has more than sufficient capabilities to produce higher-end watches. What they lack is the ideology of originality because the culture (and affiliated dictatorship) denounces creative pursuits and leads people into a perpetual state of "be like others." It truly is a shame as their talents go to waste.
@@nsjong Well said. I honestly believe if you paid them, and gave them more time and proper nurture to hone a craft, they have the manufacturing capacity and production capabilities to embarrass the world. It's not odd they're basically the main cog that allows the world to function. The sad part is, they're in the same rut the Japanese were back in the day (where they were ridiculed as having some of the shoddiest products). With geo politics shifting constantly, and them making chest pumping gestures quite often these days, they look like they're moving into industries no one remotely cared to consider them for. Isolationist dictatorship is not possible anymore with the amount of trade they conduct.. they're moving up and quick.
In that price range, Steinhart makes surprisingly good Rolex hommages equipped with Swiss movements
@@nsjong Sea Gull? They made a tourbillion lol. Not sure about wanting a watch called sea gull though. They could print it in Chinese so no one would know haha.
There are some Chinese watch brands with a history. They could do remakes of watches as watches way back then were for the privileged. But nowadays most people would rather get a smart watch over a traditional watch especially when they are far cheaper in China.
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If the differences between a 60.000 and a 500 euro watch are only somewhat noticeable under a microscope, it really makes you wonder about how much finishing and craftmanship matter to collectors and enthusiasts as they purport and how much the "big dick" and "look at me peasant" factors really come into watch pricing after all
Nicely said Matt! Totally agree with you.
The fake exists because the original does, with all its history and handcrafting, because the manufactures invented and never stopped researching mechanical intricacies and designers broke molds and innovated. Uncultured new money certainly gravitates towards status symbols, but collectors and enthusiasts are passionate about the craftsmanship and history and would much rather have an iconic Swatch or a Casio than an imitation high end watch.
@@mesteme I think that the point being made simply was that these watches, considering what they offer, are grossly overpriced. You are buying into the heritage and the brand more than the actual physical goods you get... After all, a $500 fake looks almost as good as the original, so I'd wager you'd be able to get a nigh-undistinguishable fake for $1000 or less. The other $49,000 you're paying is for the brand, or whatever abstract idea it is that they're selling to you.
@@RM-el3gw Except you're not just paying for the brand. The Nautilus wouldn't have been the Nautilus if it hadn't been for decades of research, mistakes, know-how, r&d, trials and error. It is silly to compare the bare production price of the two. No one would have made the imitation if the Nautilus hadn't been desirable, the Nautilus would not have been desireable if PP hadn't made it and to get to make it it requires incalculable resources over decades of both engineering from Patek and artistic talent and culture from Gerald Genta.
@@mesteme nah.. they're still over priced. They only got cloned because the demand is high but no one is willing to spend that much on a watch. Tons of stuff had a lot of r&d like in the tech industry. The only difference I can see are these watches are hand made. But seeing as the replicas are also hand made yet it cost just 1% of the real one is something to think about.
Going back in the 60s and 70s, watched like Rolex costs a fraction of what they are today even if you factor in inflation. Sure the watches had some improvement in built quality but that doesn't justify the price at all. It just go rebranded as a luxury product over the decades.
Years back, I bought a low priced battery powered Casio for myself. Some friends liked it for its individual colour & design. For me,, it's rather a question of choosing between an affordable original or (likely a more expensive) fake one.
This is an incredible advertisement for replica watches
It would be the better choice to get the 500 buck one and actually wear it than have the "authentic" one and keep it in the safe ....
Yes, if it runs well, the $500 fake would be a bargain as long as you only pay $500 for it. Why didn’t she tell us where she got it?
@@HQBergeron Most watch people don't condone buying fakes.
@@JettyLife23 most people have no authority to tell other people what to do with their money
@@ragnarlothbrok936 and no one is trying to tell you what to do with your money. You asked why she didn't say where she got the fake. 99% of watch people, don't condone buying fakes. So why would she go against her moral compass and support a fake counterfeit watch maker? If it's your prerogative to buy a fake, find it yourself.
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I want to buy one just to support whoever put the time into making such a fine clone. One day they could have their own line of watches.
they will never have.
You can be a master painter, you will never paint the Gioconda again. because the value does not simply reflect the quality, is a convention. And you can not became a convention overnight.
Maybe her/his grandsons/daughter will
@@federicobrivio7569 they definitely already make watches to be able to create such a good clone, you simply don't know who made it.
Btw a watch is not a unique piece, so that reasoning doesn't really apply.
@@v0ldy54 actually not. Part of the value is in the scarcity of the production, which is controlled.
You trust that the brand produces a limited amount of watches for a limited period of time.
Or better, part of the value is bound to the fact that the watches production could be limited in time and numbers.
I've got a £500 Richard Mille , in order to clone it spot on they had to but a selection of them , so they could reverse engineer them , because of the real price through the roof they are one of the best but also expensive
They will often clone machinery that make the real ones , the only difference is sometimes you can get the odd crap AAA , because their quality control isn't a high standard
@@v0ldy54 don't compare a mass production item with a unique piece of art. if a painting was drawn and then programmed by Picasso with a Machine and the result controlled by him or his employees... you could compare the 2 worlds
The great thing about these types of watches in our day and age, is that you can always be wearing a tshirt, jeans, adidas and a patek phillipe, and if someone asks about it, you just say I made a ton of money on crypto.
More likely to get mugged before u can even explain it’s fake or pretend it’s real especially lately criminals have been emboldened
A jaka jest różnica wagi tych dwóch zegarków? Czy nie można w ten sposób odróżnić oryginału?
Can’t wait to see more makers with these skills actually floating a brand of their own and offering actual original designs. Sign me up.
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"As replicas get better and better it is becoming increasingly difficult to(...)" justify Pateks prices
If the fake one has a generic ETA movement it will run for longer than the legit Patel. And will be cheaper to service too in the 20 years in the first it needs service
So where do they sell this horrendous fakes again? I want to take a look for my self.🤔
Lol
You'll be suprised, they sell 1:1 clones if you need deep enough in the interwebs.
pellettron2240 TrustyTime ....China Noob Watch. Always pay min 500 dollars....plus to get the best replica.
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Check @watchclonkinguk on Instagram they have everything lol
Hopefully this video should give the cloners better info to improve the replicas ;)
Using x1000 microscope : "ah we found shockingly differentces"
defia16bars Uhm... no.
There’s a patek clone already, even the movement..
@defia16bars you can search on the internet, Im not gonna do any advertisement for replica watches..
@defia16bars again, im not gonna give you any links, but if you search for nautilus or aquanaut clone movement on google images you'll be able to find the particular factory, I've seen one in flesh a few months ago, its real
@defia16bars that's why it's so much easier to fake a watch that runs on basic eta movements, like tissot & low end longines or thick watches like panerai. No one is going to copy piaget's ultra thin.
Imagine some rich guy walking out of the store with a real one, then me driving by in a 1998 Toyota trecel waving my arm out the window with basically the same watch.
if you are driving a 1998 Toyota trecel, you probably can barely afford oil change and fuel for that car, let alone buying a fake that's more expensive than your actual car :P
Imagine......You care enough to buy a fake and he does not even see you as he goes past in his Ferrari....and if he did see you he'd know you're a fake.
@@rorywquin rofl what? the guy is walking out of the store dummy, no Ferrari in frame 😂😂
@@petarmiladinovic4126 I'll have you know sir I skipped the oil change and took the bus for 2 weeks to save up for this tacky/dated watch thank you very much!
@@thegenrl Yep, fact remains if you can afford a 50k watch, you don't care about a numnuts in a Toyota. He is not interested in fakes who wear fakes and buy knock off designer gear. He buys the real thing.🤣🤣🤣
Real ones should come with a replica for everyday wear in case of damage and/robbery.
No 👎
I've heard of this before... Hmm
Interesting...
@@mako9579 I'd rather not blow 60k on a fcking watch, instead on something more important
@John Doe There are some Pateks that are affordable, vintage ones, I would go that route if I wanted a legit Patek, or just buy a fake on too if I wanted a nautilus
Great insights! How about their movement longines L888.3 vs tudor Calibre MT5400? Which one is better?😊
The dials on most swiss watches are so plain and basic that it makes it easy to clone. Am yet to see a clone of a Grand Seiko dial. What does this tell you ?
people are not intersted in GS (yet) when the time comes. they will make a shitty copy if it
Damn right JD!
That the market demand is not there and it's not worth the opportunity cost. Better to make a new sub or SMP rep that will sell like hotcakes rather than a GS that will not.
@@Macca-95 well it doesn't change the fact they can make a sub so good that even for a watch seller like me, it is very hard to spot. we can still see it, but we always have to check everyting. if the chinese can do that for 500 dollars. i always wonder how can a rolex sub be above 6k
@@iaido01 Because people will pay it. They have lost any argument of quality that they may have had at one time. Now they sell $2000 watches for $8000 and people will buy them, so they keep charging it.
i only buy on superclone watch
This is a scam..be aware from previous experience.
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Excellent video, you just convinced me to buy a fake instead of the authentic one. There is no justification for the price difference.
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no no no way. "There is no justification for the price difference"
Except for the obvious fact those who bought this only 3 years ago made nearly £150,000 in appreciation since.
Excellent video. You've convinced me to buy a Casio. Go, go CASIO!
Well the initial price is still very high but is one third of it. The fact that they have stopped the production makes it a highly desirable watch for many thus the very high price of 60k in auctions or specialized websites « Chrono24 » so jf you want to speculate this is one to get. The one I wanted to buy was 25’000 asked them to keep it for me 2 months and they wouldn’t so went 2 months later and it was sold right away checked the price on the website and it was already 47’000 today 4 years later it is at 140’000 ! 🤷🏼♂️
Top-tier craftsmanship!
I really like the brushing on the fake more as it gives tougher look
Great job! 🙂
Absolutely. I actually like the clone better. And if I scratch it.... oh well
How can i get that fake pp
You can get homages, they are pretty good.
@@rodrigopalma5829 go to reddit and r/Reptime
Its really hard to tell which one is the original and the fake one if you're just a new watch collector. This video definitely gives us the idea on what differentiates the fake and the OG. Thanks for the video 😊🤟
From a distance maybe, but pretty obvious from the opening shot.
I wonder how much is the markup on these high end watches...
38% on a Rolex apparently
@@leemartin2978 luxury goods, the margin tends to vary widely, with watches I'd be surprised at less than 3-400% to the manufacturer, obviously less to the reseller. If you think that's criminal, you'll never buy perfume again, their profit margins are in the 000%'s
@@leemartin2978 That's a lot! Even though I love the oyster perpetual but damn almost half the price is the markup. so we are basically paying for the name.
@@tonyd223 I know the markup on fragrances is a lot. I absolutely love perfume and have a minimalistic collection of niche and designer fragrances. the juice itself is quite affordable to make (for designer fragrances) but niche fragrances use more natural ingredients and oils hence they are in the $200 - $800 price range.
Something like a Rolex Submariner costs aprox $500 to produce out of the factory. That makes it around 1700% in markup. Which is perfectly in line with other jewlery items
I know a guy who purchased multiple super fakes of his favorite watches so he can wear them around 24/7 without worrying about them getting stolen or damaged. He keeps the real ones in a safe back at home, so they don't collect wear and tear. He goes to a lot of parties and fundraisers and hasn't ever had a single person ask him if his watch was fake or imply that it might be fake. And he told me that he got the idea from a friend of his who was a watch collector who did the same exact thing. And if you're ultimate goal is to pass the watch off as authentic to a perspective buyer you can even pay extra and get them to use a real cloned serial #, invoice & paperwork showing the watch was privately sold to you from the original owner that the watch was officially sold too and is probably still in possession of the real one. With this type of provenance rarely will a watch maker even open the watch unless they're a red flag like the weight being off or the material being the wrong type which both are taken care of with super fakes now. Heck, even the CNC machines they use to make the watch parts can produce a surface finish that is similar to a human manually lapping the parts and even leave patterns that look like the part was hand finished.
Also, this isn't just happening with watches. This is also happening with designer clothing, bags, jewelry, shoes, etc. You name it and super fakes are being manufacture right that rival the real thing for quality of materials and construction. This has also been a huge problem for electronics lately. People have been selling Air pods Max super clones on Facebook for $300 that they buy for $150 that look, feel and weigh the same as real air pods max and even have interchangeable magnetic ear pads, proper markings and even register with the device as a proper air pods max but the sound quality isn't quite as good (it's good enough to fool anyone that hasn't listened to a real pair though). I even had a friend who picked up a pair for $300 and I told them they were probably fake when they said they got them from Facebook. The giveaway ended up being how the band adjusted and how it wasn't smooth as the real thing. But the packaging was perfect and it was shrink-wrapped when they purchased it. They fakes are so good now that even the Apple Store checks every single headset being returned to make sure the serial # on it matches a sale to the same person in their database and it matches between the packaging and the headset because they have been burned since even their employees can't tell them apart without pairing them and doing A-B testing.
Future is going to get weird folks. Come hang out on my live stream sometime and we can talk about it.
Cant stopping laughing looking at the comments section - thanks Elle for getting the conversation going.
Hi Jenni! I recommend you to do a video about the brand “Longines”. I think it provides the best performance related with it’s prices. it’s history since 1832.. I would be happy if you answer!
The replica guys in China thank you for pointing out the flaws that they need to fix for their next release. The real sad part is that you pay $60k for a "real" and you know it cost probably $1000 at best to make.
Brand name is one hell of a price
You're absolutely wrong, if you factor in the building, equipment, and work-time expenses for a swiss company, with $1000 you can't even make the clasp
@@gfilippou Have you ever seen videos where fake vs real are compared? There are some really good fakes that even the experts say on certain aspects look better made etc than the real deal. Fact is, just like anything, you're buying the hype and the name for the most part. Do you really think it costs $60K to make a patek? unless its laden with diamonds or a Richard Mille that costs $400k?
@@optimusprime1634 Of course it doesn't cost $60K to build as then the company would make no profit selling them. But an average Patek watchmaker makes about $100k/year with benefits and makes about 100 watches. So that's ~$10k watch for the manufacturing work. And I don't actually think a watchmaker can make 100 of these $60k model per year because of their complexities. Then of course they need to pay for sales, marketing, logistics, materials, real estate, and research and development of new stuff Patek is a high margin business but also high cost. In China however the "watchmaker" probably gets paid a few hundred bucks per month and the watch making is mostly automated and they spend $0 for development. So $60k for a watch is a crazy price but it really costs Patek more than $10k on average to make that watch. The company gross profit margin is somewhere around 40-50%... the same as Apple.
@@gfilippou maybe $10, and only if clasp is very expensive to build.....
@ 0:22 at the start of the video this means pricey products are actually cheap to make so one should not pay for stickers/brands no value in brands
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I think it's pretty good for the 59500€ difference in price. You must spend quite a lot of time on replica watch forums to know all this 😉
I need a link for the fake. it's $59,500 Cheaper and it's just as beautiful. I'm sure the fake tells us what time it is, Pun Intended. ;o)
You’d be surprised - most fakes have very poor movements, even if they look good, and often don’t last past a year or two.
@@tn_onyoutube8436 Hmm how do you know this 🤔
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@@tn_onyoutube8436 you have no idea what you are waffling on about. High end reps have cloned movements that run at COSC especially if you have it serviced.
@@ralfybaby Sure, very high end ones, maybe. But most people are not talking about true high end. People who buy fakes, mostly buy $100 fakes.
Now FUCK OFF and be rude to someone else. Asshole.
@@tn_onyoutube8436 waffle
I do watch repair and this is the first time I’ve heard someone else take about the metal grain to spot a fake . I’ve always use that method and the weight method. High end watch companies use high grade stainless steel or solid gold and have a very distinct weight it’s not about being heavy or light it’s just the right weight or not . You can use the weight / feel method on any item from purses , game controllers to construction tools we’ve all picked up something cheap and something high end and you can immediately feel the difference.
Yes, my fake Rolex feels lighter than the real version, but also owning a real one, the fake is a more accurate timekeeper, cost only £200 (Real £4000 +) and if muged I'd feel a lot less annoyed handing it to the arsehole behind the weapon. He would have to get it apprised to know it wasn't pukka ; and if he sold it to another theiving twat, (as real,) he would mayby be looking for new knee caps later. Also the night "Lume" on the fake is pathetic! I'll continue to use my real one at home - and my fake - on holiday.
Jenni, I would love to get your take on who makes the best clones. Best Replica, or Swiss Replica ??? Thank you.
Any chance of getting a replica of the replica in the $5 range.
To be honest I can't see much reason to spend 60K euro for that little difference
actually you’re paying the diff for the movement, and of course the brand premium
It’s curious the level of capability and resource available to the fakers. Human hands and extra finishing work aside, it’s kind of wild how much they ARE able to achieve at this price point. Makes one wonder where the 100x cost on the real one actually comes from. For starters, a stainless steel casing for a $60k watch? That should be titanium at the very least for that kind of money.
Even if it were gold, it wouldn't be worth 60K. It's called marketing and fools who pay nonsense.
only an idiot like you would wonder and not see that those watchmakers actually designed and created the watches from scratch, of course taking a shortcut to copying that design would make much cheaper.
I really appreciate the original’s craftsmanship and the detail and quality of materials used but it’s just way out of range so a nice replica would be nice. I’m not going to go flaunting telling people I have one just used for my enjoyment until the day I can buy an original.
It has artificially inflated price tag so that people buying it can show their status.
Among Chinese watches, you can also get a much nicer watch for the same amount of money that does not try to look like a Patek. Like a sugess tourbillion for example, which has a nice Tourbillion movement unlike the Patek.
Obsessed with the elegance of Swissarex.
You are a SWISSAREX SHILL.
What does it say when a watch can be made almost identically for 0.8% the price?
Exactly!!
It says that you don't know how to appreciate an original watch that is better than a fake one, and that you haven't been successful enough in life to afford a real one, so you buy a fake stuff
Moronism.
An apple watch is by far more advanced than any of the swiss brands. Buy yourself a killo of gold and an apple wach and you will be better off.
I prefer to buy an apple watch and a kilo of gold. The result is the same.
“Thank you for alerting us to these issues; we will address them.” -China
That’s impressive. You can see the difference if you investigate closely side by side but the reality of that happening in real life is pretty slim. Also demonstrates the brand markup on the genuine product, the finesse of the real deals quality details doesn’t quantify x100+ pricing.
Unless someone has much exposure to watches, I doubt that they'd value the watch much as it is usually not a brand normies likely heard of
If you can spot it then Replicators with specialists definitely seen and fixed it.
It’s impossible to detect the differences even by OEM watchmakers if they don’t have an original to compare
6:40 What is the brand of the leather case?
Hi Jenni, thank you so much for educating us on real and fake watches!
I was going to start a proper collection of my own but a couple friends had the same Omega seamaster chronos - one fake and the other real. Put it this way - the look on the face of the real owner was enough. Apart from the fake being less than 1mm thicker we could not really tell the difference - even under the microscope. You’d only ever be ‘found out’ if you bumped into someone with a real one and a super magnifier. But worse - the real owner then sold his £7k watch and bought several replicas so now has a collection of high end watches which he can wear without fear of damaging etc. whereas he previously only wore his real omega to ‘nice places’ and had an everyday Seiko Prospex. But it was his face. Honestly - the colour drained before my eyes. He’s not looked back and tells me he feels even more smug now than he did with an authentic watch.
bravo jenni for the great comparison and being honest also! if someone does not have the original next to the replica, indeed it is very difficult unless someone is watch maker
These are great videos, and it’s going to make the replicas work harder. Eventually, there will be no visible difference between real and fake.
Hope so because it’s insane nowadays brands putting a price on a watch over 100k.
Fake watch company : "Put that correction for the next batch!"
...and "Thanks Jenni for the free promotion of our fake and illegal watches... almost 2.000.000 views... wow! Thanks again, Jenni".
This should be the last comparison.. as legend says the have perfected the it
It’s costs them more money!
There is always someone who copies your homework, but still ending up with higher grades.
Not always. Remember when Cartman complained to the teacher that he got lower grades than Token when it was his math test he copied? :-D
Very clear n detail of comparison. Others tried but you did the best job. 👍👍
OK but if you arrive in a Camry and cheap clothes then no-one is gonna be convinced
So If I have a Ferrari, I can buy a fake and people are gonna be convinced? I think that the main focus is that no one is gonna give about your watch. Maybe 1% of the population and 0.5% can distinguish a fake from an authentic, especially if this good.
So you should buy and use a watch if it pleasures you, if a 500€ fake Patek is your thing, go for it, if it's a 500€ Junghans, that's probably better. If it's a 60k Patek, well enjoy it. No one is ever gonna say something more than "oh nice watch!"
I won't be surprise if Warren Buffet drives a Camry
@@massx999 You are absolutely right, Sir. I have a number of high-quality (and quite expensive) watches, but I almost never get asked about them, no matter what "Society" I am walking in. Only my HEUER Monaco Gulf Edition 50th anniversary often attracts attention: it is anything but mainstream with its appearance , with the wonderful colours. But even a Seadweller J. Cameron Deep Sea blue (which is a real beauty for me !) Is hardly ever noticed. But I'm also pretty happy about it; it is much more relaxing not to be the center of attention ! Tom/Germany
@guess what hmmm how do you know this? How are you going to substantiate this claim? His point went completely over your head didn't it? 🤦♂️
@@massx999 Great perspective. It's all about perception.
So to actually be able to tell the difference, you need a microscope and a real version next to the replica. Yeah, PP can keep their 60,000 euro. I will take the 500 euro replica and invest the difference.
hahaha they making people look so stupid buying those overpriced watches, if factory was relocated in china with chinese master watch makers and they would cut costs that gen 60K watch would cost no more than 2000 USD for sure.
Well its not really about that. Id say 60.000 is for a normal jobber too highto consider. But let's say this would be about 6k rolex and a fake of it. I think you can ofc buy the fake - but it will never give you the same feeling of accomplishment like a real one, since many buy them to gift themselves for reaching a goal for example. It's not about the quality it's about the status that comes with it...
This kind of watch u buy when u catch your goal not if you are a looser in business, but business dont make all too ;)
Yeah wtf
But muh crime! *buys Hershey slave chocolate*
China: Thanks. We'll fix that.
There isn't much to fix haha.
China - caca
When it comes to fine imitation watches, amzwatch delivers. I've bought from them several times, and I've never been let down.
The replica is seriously impressive - I can see how the Patek might be worth more, but not 100x as much - maybe 5 or 10x given the higher cost of materials and the better finishing of the movement. I think we are a few years away from perfect 1:1 replicas for a fraction of the price.
i would pay 10k for it not a penny more unless i had money to shit and buy shit you dont need...
Appreciate Jenni to pick a bad fake to tell us not to buy them. Trust me, I've seen fakes that even better than the real one. They just work a bit less precise and that's all.
So you're saying this isn't a great rep of the Patek?
The whole in house movement thing is a scam. Because that way you can only service the movement by the manufacturer themselves or authorised watch makers. Otherwise you actually lose the authenticity and your expensive watch gains the status of fake
With an ETA or some other generic movement anybody can work in the movement. And they're very reliable
The colour gives the game away immediately. That's what's really shocking.
That's a moot point at the moment because there are several factories that manufacture Nautilus replicas and some versions are way closer in dial color to the original.
The one that Jenni shot and that we are currently discussing is clearly blue rather than blue-green. That there are other, better ones is fascinating but doesn't make my point in the slightest bit moot as it's irrelevant.
Why would you want to get one in any colour?
@@thefollandgnat can't speak for myself because I'm not into fake watches and can't speak for others either because from what I can tell there's a lot of energy thrown in this hobby/business depending on the angle of looking at it.
@Ron P But you were telling me to get the white one.
The replica is amazing, but the perfection of the Patek is really on a different level
That watch is bought on SUPERCLONE WATCH (just google it and you will know what am i talking about)
this is a scam, please do not search for this
Bullshit
Scam