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Gotenks Vs Kid Buu: Who Would Win?
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- Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks Vs Kid Buu: Who Would Win? @LSMMIKE explains in this Dragon Ball Z vs battle featuring the DBZ anime and manga.
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I do appreciate the line “I bet Piccolo’s in there slowing you down,” making it clear that it’s not that Piccolo’s power wouldn’t be a boost to Buu, but that Piccolo is actively doing everything he can to resist from the inside. Piccolo once again clutching out an important play that gets canceled by the Saiyan’s stupidity.
Piccolo power isn’t a boast to buu but can you imagine wild and unpredictable kid buu having piccolo’s intelligence would make him more dangerous
@@juswavvy9634Picolo is just him
If he was serious, Gotenks would annihilate Kid Buu. Unfortunately, he would probably mess around for a bit, giving Buu enough time to blow up the planet, killing Gotenks in the process.
Pretty much, or get turned into candy or get absorbed again.
Despite seeing how durable and regenerative Buu is, multiple times, Gotenks kept wasting stamina on stupid techniques to try and showboat. The Galactica Donut obviously has no effect on Buu, but he kept doing it anyway.
In the manga, Kid Buu was attempting to turn Goku into candy in one of the panels, Gotenks would have fallen for it.
If Buu doesn't get crazy pissed off first and pummels Gotenks to death. And THEN he blows up the Earth.
Even if he was serious, Kid Buu especially has crazy regen and stamina, while SSJ3 Gotenks' biggest weakness (other than his attitude) is his lack of stamina. He might be able to do it, but I'm not sure.
He could hold his breath and fly to New Namek….
@@CPhelps1247 1. I don’t think he could hold his breath for the necessary amount of time, 2. I highly doubt Gotenks knows where New Namek is in the first place
I love the small details Toriyama incorporated in the buu saga. Gotenks is childish and loves to make things a spectacle. He is focused on silly techniques and the funny poses he likely takes from observing saiyaman (Gohan) who got his hero poses directly from the Ginyu Force. This dynamic is hilariously highlighted in Fighterz.
I have been telling these fools that gotenks would stomp kid buu big ups to laughingstock media for breaking it down next time do kid buu vs the original fat buu that came out of the cocoon that match up would be more interesting than this
I wonder if there's some kinda sentai show in their universe, the great saiya man is absolutely inspired by that and I like to think Gohan was inspired by the comics he was reading
If Ssj3 Gotenks matched Super Buu, then Kid Buu wouldn't be that much a challenge if he fought seriously. You assessment is correct.
Wrong as fukk lol
Kid Buu is stronger than super boo
@@RobinDTonynah. He not
@@ParadiseDB7well if we use that logic than we can assume that kid buu is stronger than Buuhan right?
@@jirrelljkid buu is definitely arguably stronger and if its anime kid buu he’s definitely stronger
In terms of strength, Gotenks positively violates. If Gotenks is hypothetically bloodlusted and has his eyes solely on the prize, he'd annihilate Kid Buu. He was about to kill Super Buu, after all. Unfortunately, this is *Gotenks* we're talking about, and Gotenks beats nobody. Goten has a higher win-rate than him.
That's because trunks ruins the character with his traits from vegeta. Goten saw his own mother get turned into an egg and watched buu kill her do you think goten would play around nope he got right to training. But trunks is a slacker
Man’s had one real fight saying he beats nobody ain’t fair
@@longlivetheblackmamba2-8-24 He also got violated by Copy Vegeta. I hate that arc as much as the next guy, but it's canon to the anime. I like Gotenks a lot, but they never give him a dub. To his credit, he did defeat Hirudegarn's first form.
@@supagreatman2826 I agree. Trunks ruined them with that "let's make it a spectacle" bs
@@_Koyomi_ we talking about buu saga not after. Copy vegeta had all of vegeta power. What’s was after vegeta has god ki that’s a bad example
As soon as Gotenks breaks himself and Piccolo out of the room, he tells Super Buu to die because he’s ate everyone and attacks him.
He couldn’t harm Buu.
Needed Piccolo’s assistance.
And admitted that he couldn’t weaken Buu physically.
Buu’s Ki never diminished. Thus never took damage.
And Toriyama illustrated Gotenks with Pinocchio’s lying nose when Gotenks said he was the strongest.
1. Buu was def afraid when gotenks was about to blast him before defusing, AND gotenks had him on the ropes.
2. Piccolo assisted ONLY with the volleyball gimmick
3. Essentially all of the buus, yes all, have near infinite stores of stamina (no statements or signs of fatigue from any buus across all the fights) except ONLY when vegeta remarks when fat buu fought kid buu
4. Gotenks almost certainly throughout the entire story is a gag character so not sure what this point is supposed to prove? It’s prettt clear in the fight gotenks is relative to super buu
He could harm buu, he just couldn't keep the damage done to stick over time. Same with Buuhan vs Vegeto, we see Buuhan get wreaked and then after a brief period he's back to full if given the time. It's also why goku couldn't hurt fat buu or kid buu, goku didn't have the power to make any lasting damage before they'd heal up.
@@everettjohnson9374
Kid Buu’s Ki signature never dropped vs Goku, meaning Goku never damaged Kid Buu.
Vegetto permanently destroyed Buuhan’s head tentacle, which couldn’t be regenerated and had to be regrown from the rest of his body.
Meanwhile, Super Buu could regenerate from ash/smoke vs Gotenks. And Kid Buu could regenerate from nothing vs his own Ki blast, and from nothingness from Vegeta’s barrage of Ki blasts.
Super Perfect Cell vs Pre Majin Vegeta.
Super Janemba vs Ultimate Gohan. Thank You.
Damn I hope he see this lol
Mike you have been killing it lately. Your the best DBZ YT by far
Agreed. Even when I know the answer myself I still love to listen to him carefully explain the answers in such detail. Great content. It's a shame Super isn't really nuanced enough to give us interesting DB content
I always wanted to see Gotenks fight in SS2 form. It wouldn't burn out his fusion as fast, and he would still be extremely powerful. Twice as strong as his SS1-self but a quarter of his SS3-self.
I think Toriyama forgot about Ss2. Or that he just intended each time we see a SS it is actually the Ascended ss2 form?
@@JayKay-on2grIt’s as simple as aesthetics.
@@JayKay-on2gr think you’re right. Idk where, but I heard that apparently he thought ssj3 was ssj2 and so just completely forgot about the actual ssj2. Don’t quote me on that tho, might just be something fans made up
@@randomcommenter6498yeah, that's true. He said it in an interview years ago when BOG came out.
With SS1 doing what it did to buu, I would think that SS2 would be just enough with epic battle of course .
Some people really underestimate Gotenks. Even just in SSJ.
Last week I saw people on insta debating whether Gotenks in SSJ could be cell saga Gohan.
Must be crack that they're smoking.
Gotenks as a ssj solos the saga
That’s actually a good debate. That Gohan should be around Buu Saga Vegeta as ss2. Gotebks should clap him but that Gohan has also been freshly trained by Goku…definitely a good one. But Kid Buu washing Gotenks and it ain’t even close imo
I made two assumptions.
Pre-ROSAT Gotenks because Post-ROSAT Gotenks is OBVIOUSLY clappin 11 year old Gohan.
Assumption 2: they meant ss2 Gohan.
Gotenks disnt do that hot against Fat Buu before the Time Chamber. Ss2 11 year old Gohan coulda been stronger.
Gotenks doesn’t show us he’s on ss3 Goku’s level until after the chamber.
@@maniacslap1623 I would argue that Goku and Vegeta were stronger as SSJ2 during Boo Saga than Gohan SSJ 2 during Cell Saga BUT Vegeta was around 40 and Gohan 12 sooooooo....
Great video! I think you covered almost everything you could.
One of the arguments I hear for why Gotenks couldn't beat Kid Buu is how Goku's reaction to the prospect of Gotenks and Gohan coming to fight Kid Buu was kind of nonchalant compared to his reaction to the prospect of Buucolo vs Gohan.
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Anime: Kid Buu
Manga: Gotenks EASILY
When you mentioned the size & power requirements for fusion it just reminded me about the constant height fluctuations in Dragon ball , because Vegeta was nowhere near the height of Goku which makes me wonder what does Toriyama mean by "similar size"
Within a couple inches or height I'm sure I'm pretty sure they're both only 5'9" and 5'5" or 5'6" respectively
Buu arc most powerful to least
Vegito
Buuhan
Buutenks
Gohan
Gotenks
Superbuu
Kidbuu - Goku
Majin buu
Vegeta
crazy how many ppl were actually stronger than kid buu
Thank you for helping me get through my work days! Great content
Its crazy how many of these fights are so controversial yet dbz is seen as the time when power scaling was easy
It was really easy until buu saga
it's easy if we take feats instead of statements, elder kai and shin add so much unneeded nonsense, they hype up kid buu like he's stronger than buuhan, when clearly he isn't. everytime they open their mouths they add more confusion to the situation.
They actually downplay Kid Buu power wise. The Kai’s and the saiyans. They all underestimate Kid Buu lol
Also, they make multiple statements about the Fat Kai calming Buu’s soul when in fact, the feat of sealing someone that wasn’t capable of being sealed before implies more than just a calm soul. It implies a weakening.
In reality, everybody blew Buu to shyts multiple times, all versions that fought, were blown up by characters who we were told were stronger. None of it worked.
In the final fight, ss3 Goku hammers this point home by blowing up Kid Buu multiple times. They then use a technique that’s bare minimum 30x stronger than what Goku can produce on his own.
All the Buu’s were more powerful than the cast knew. The ending just doubles down on that.
Kid Buu was the strongest.
@@maniacslap1623 The first point is false because a downplay would mean that the character is actually strong when others think that he isn't, which isn't the case kid buu can't beat SS3 goku whereas Super buu buutenks and buuhan would beat Goku to the point where Goku doesn't even want to fight them. the kais words can't be taken seriously because time and time again they say something and it turns out either completely wrong or irrelevant they are exposition characters that don't do their job. and another thing is Goku doesn't downplay opponents HE KNOWS he can beat fat buu and kid buu and he knows he can't beat super buu and his variations. sensing ki has been an ability since the saiyan saga. the calming thing has absolutely 0 statements made about it. the only thing that we know is that it made buu reasonable that's it. and from the fights we know that kid buu is weaker than super buu. for the 3rd point what blowing him up easily means is that he has 0 durability and relies purely on his regeneration which is what was being hammered home. the characters say it time and time again, that if there's enough power output then they can kill him. Gotenks wasn't going all out against super buu and he even says he could've killed him with relative ease. Gohan 100% could've killed super buu as well but his arrogance always comes back to bite him. Vegito could've wiped out Buuhan. and Goku if not for the SS3 drain could've gathered enough energy to obliterate kid buu. They need the spirit bomb specifically because Goku couldn't gather energy in SS3 to one shot kid buu. it's actually absurd how much evidence we have for Kid buu being one of the weakest forms of buu and despite that there are still people that think that somehow kid buu is the strongest.
Part of the problem the last few years has been some more popular powerscalers really latching onto questionable sources like anime filler, databooks that have basically nothing to do with Toriyama, magazines that have nothing to do with TOriyama, statements from ANIME MOVIE WRITERS, etc. It's always a bit odd seeing something like "THE TRUTH ABOUT SUPER BUU VS KID BUU" and pretty much all evidence in favor of Kid Buu is anime filler or a magazine that says some shit like "GOKU AND VEGETA FOUGHT REPLICAS IN SUPER BUU'S BODY THAT WERE TOTALLY AS STRONG AS THE REAL WARRIORS!".
That and "well actually Goku was lying or just wrong" when it comes to his statements about being able to beat Kid Buu or lose to Super Buu which..... make no sense since Goku doesn't really lie much and when he does, it's either really obvious or he mentions it.
After the Elder Kaioshin says Kid Buu is the most difficult, Young KibitoKaioshin says yeah, Buu’s power was reduced by the absorptions and he’s now returned to his original self by losing all that he absorbed.
The fact of the matter is that Southern Kaioshin and Dai Kaioshin weakened Kid Buu far more than any Z fighter strengthened Super Buu.
The Grand Supreme Kai definitely. He’s the only one shown to weaken Buu but he’s also the only one who Buu had no reason to absorb…makes me think he planned it…which would make a lot of sense if your only other choice was death lol
The grand kai for sure, southern no. In universe it doesn’t make sense for the southern absorptions to weaken buu as well given the fact that the “soul” he gains is in direct relation to his power loss. Buff buu is definitely still VERY evil, and very much a mindless brute. Yeah he says absorptions, but what we see in universe begs to differ. We know for certain after the grand Kai’s absorption, his power dropped because he gained a soul at THAT absorption, not with the southern absorption
@@maniacslap1623
Re watch the fight with Kid Buu vs Southern Kaioshin. Kid Buu had no reason to absorb him.
Kid Buu is described as a being without reason. So to say he ever had a reason for anything I’d naivety.
And both the manga and anime state that both the Kaioshin (absorptions, plural; and souls, plural) weakened Buu.
@@bzdagoat
The Japanese manga and Japanese anime literally state that the absorptions (plural) weakened Kid Buu.
The English manga said the souls (plural) tamed Kid Buu. Which means to make less powerful and easier to control.
@@trailsandtribulations7137 the pluralism is really semantics, it’s pretty clear there is the correlation with having gotten a “soul” and weakening, in order to weaken you have to gain a soul n like I said buff buu very clear was still very much evil and wild. Hbd doesn’t fully gain a “soul” till absorbing grand kai as we see in his playful nature and always wanting sweets for example
I love the drawings you use in the thumbnails. The one of Gotenks here is awesome but I would've loved to have seen him as a SSJ3 in this art style for your thumbnail considering the title. As for the topic, it's a shame we never really see Gotenks as a SSJ3 or Kid Buy go all out as Gotenks was messing around (+ Buu was stalling for Gohan) and it didn't look like Kid Buu was taking his fight with SSJ3 Goku that serious either.
You have violated my feed enough...I subbed 😂 awesome content and thanks for rekindling my love for the manga
One thing I disagree with Laughingstock on is that the Spirit Bomb being comprised of only "genki" doesn't put the attack down, nor makes it weaker in any way.
Genki seems to be exponential in nature (when comparing it to the times he used it and the bit of energy he gathered vs Vegeta and Frieza...vs Kid Buu, he needed everyone's energy, including the Earth itself).
The 3 times Goku used the Spirit Bomb (vs Vegeta, vs Frieza and vs Kid Buu), his ultimate attack was always far stronger than his max power at the time.
Vs Vegeta, he didn't do much damage even after surpassing him with Kaioken X3 and a X4 Kamehameha. However, half of the Spirit Bomb almost killed Vegeta and did the most amount of damage that entire fight. Same with Frieza, x20 was blocked by Frieza with a little bit of damage, yet the Spirit Bomb almost killed him. Btw, he did all these feats with almost 0 energy like when vs Kid Buu.
With Kid Buu, the energy itself wasn't enough, he needed to add his SSJ power and detonate it. It's pretty clear when comparing it to the other times he used it
I never said the Spirit Bomb is somehow weaker because of it being comprised of Genki, just that the inclusion of Gohan’s power in it and Buu resisting doesn’t mean Kid Buu is stronger than Gohan, which people often contend. You also missed the entire point I made about how the energy from humanity and some others who all combined had less battle capabilities/power than Gohan multiplied that power many-fold. Something you can visually see depicted on screen.
Buu resisted because Goku had no energy left to detonate the bomb. If he had energy remaining and threw it, he would have killed Buu right away. That was proven when he had his energy restored by Porunga. And that was just SSJ1 Goku, which is obviously far less powerful than Gohan, Gotenks, or Kid Buu.
@@LSMMIKE I recognize that I may have misunderstood some parts of the video. Thanks for the reply. I will rewatch it again.
The one thing I still disagree with you on is the point you just made. The Goku who launched the Spirit Bomb at Frieza also had almost 0 energy, yet the attack didn't require for it to be "detonated" to almost kill Frieza who was way more powerful than Kaioken x20, let alone this Goku.
It seems Kid Buu was still able to block the attack and Goku needed SSJ to magnify the Spirit Bomb.
Knowing that the attack was created to destroy beings like Kid Buu, that is a very impressive feat for the little monster.
As I said in the video, the idea of requiring energy for detonation contradicts the previous examples of the spirit Bomb and likely was added by Toriyama at the last second to stretch out the ending and further increase the tension of the climax. If you really want to you can make an in-universe argument that he was drained even more by using SSJ3 than Kaioken, but it’s a stretch either way.
@@LSMMIKE I agree that it seems inconsistent when comparing it to the previous times he used it. Thank you for clarifying it for me. Guess some things will remain unclear due to Toriyama's sometimes forgetful nature.
I enjoyed discussing these points with you. Keep up the good content 😁
Thanks for watching. I appreciate it.
Bro, that spiritbomb feat is one one of the strongest feats in the entire series..... Vegeta got his ass handed to him by a tiny sprititbomb formed from plants and stuff on the earth. Frieza got his ass handed to him by one created by the entire Namek Solar system.... The one that killed Kid Buu was powered by The Z fighter, the androids, King Yemma and his entire work force, the namekians and the supreme kais AND the ENTIRE population of the earth..... No matter how you slice it, that's STRONG AS HELL.
For you to invalidate that feat is truly insane. At no other point in dragonball has anyone ever qualified the type of Ki energy used as a reason as to why an attack didn't work or is not as strong of an attack...... In dragonball, characters CANNOT stop, block, or deflect an attack stronger than themselves EVER. You WILL NOT find an instance where this is NOT true.
Frieza didn't do it. Vegeta didn't do it. For you to say Kid Buu WAS NOT stronger than the spiritbomb thrown at him is just an insane interpretation of things, given that whole rule. And proof from BOTH of those encounters, that they tried their damnest and could not stop the attack......
29:49 Detonate the explosion?????????? That's NOT how the spiritbomb works. Neither time Goku used this before did he actively work to detonate it..... Nor did anyone else. The one that got Vegeta, hit him instantly and started damaging him. Goku was wasted on the sidelines.The one that got Frieza, Goku was ducking for cover, it went off on it's own..... Here Goku actively threw his own power on top to push the attack over the edge..... The attack was STOPPED by Kid Buu's power and Goku then OVERLOADED IT WITH HIS OWN POWER. And after doing that, he was exhuasted again....
I usually agree with you takes on this, but here it seems like you had a conclusion in mind already, then interpreted things to support it.... I mean you literally gloss over the fact that BOTH Vegeta and Goku admit that they underestimated Kid Buu, in the manga..... and that Kid Buu never went all out against him....
Also, WEAKER character have time and time again have been shown to be able to distract, disrupt, hold off, and block character FAR more powerful than themselves. Examples:
- Goku holding Raditz so Piccolo can charge hte Speical Beam Cannon
- Gohan and Krillen vs Frieza MUTLTIPLE times
- Tien using the Tri-Beam on Semi-Perfect Cell
If this can happen here, noting the great power differences, then why can't this be the case for Fat Buu vs Kid Buu????
On top of that you say that Fat Buu no longer has the influnce of the Kais in him, so he's much weaker, well where the hell did they go???? They're not inside Kid Buu......So where are they. South Supreme Kai, who you say powered up Kid Buu IS inside Fat Buu still.....So honestly, his power SHOULDN'T have changed at all...... The only thing that's missing is the evil natural nature of the original Buu... The power from the Daikiaoshin and South Supreme Kai are still inside Fat Buu AND both of them are more powerful than Kid Buu individually.
Idk man, there's just SO much wrong in this video. You can interpret things how you _want_, but that doesn't disprove how others interpret things at all..... You haven't at all proven anything here.... The spiritbomb feat is HUGE, one of the strongest feats in the series. Goku couldn't fucking pull that off. Gohan and the other certainly couldn't.
If you want a REAL definitive answer to this question, PROVE that Gotenks could stop that Spiritbomb attack. Then me and anyone else who disagrees can't say anything.
Goku obviously wasn’t at full power at any of the times prior to Vs Kid Buu since Vegeta said Goku is stronger than he imagined after sensing every power up and the fight vs Fat Buu.
Thanks for the video 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great video as always. Myself I say no Kid Buu wins the fight. Because telling Gotenks not to play around is very tough if not impossible and I'll give you that Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu if not Buu's absorbed forms, so doubtful Gotenks wouldn't play around. But let's say Gotenks goes round two on the Kai's world, I still say no. Because Goku realized to me not only is Kid Buu far more powerful than almost anyone they had faced, but he can't be reasoned with like others, he has no desires of his own so he can't be tricked, and his stamina and regeneration are through the roof. Because even when Vegeta who pulled no punches against Majin Buu realized I have to use the Final Explosion it's strong enough to reduce him to shreds but Buu still got up, and when the Super Ghost Kamikaze attack was used on Super Buu that turned him to shreds and the shreds were reduced to ash if not smoke yet he still came back. The only attack that seemed to work was the Spirit Bomb, now whether that was do to magical or harnessing the good if not souls of all living things, or if at full power it's just that strong, does change the Spirit Bomb was the only thing to keep Buu down for good. So Gotenks doesn't have an attack that vould do that even if he tried a kamehameha I doubt it would far better than a super ghost attack. Also stamina Buu would have greater stamina than a full power SS3 Gotenks. Buu ironically takes the best aspects of all the major villains in DBZ, the overwhelming power of Freiza, Cell, and the Androids, but he also has the stamina of the Androids were he power doesn't really seem to go down, and he has Cell's regeneration to come back from pretty much anything but never looses stamina when regenerating. No matter the time Gotenks is Trunks vs Cell a less experienced fighter that wouldn't be able to put all this together in enough time to win, let alone having an attack to seal the deal.
Pure excellent breakdown dude
Two fights that look alike:
SS3 Gotenks vs Super Buu
SS Gotenks vs Kid Buu
Ik it's been 7mos since it was originally released but Goku's anime statement of "Buu is on a whole nother level" could be taken as "Wow this buu is on a whole other level, now we may actually be able to defeat him." It causes confusion either way but the tone and context of it is different in that regard.
Honestly this whole argument is based on interpreting different comments goku made. The actual facts often disagree with what goku says.
1) to clarify goku did not explicitly say gotenks is stronger than him. He only said he told that to buu likely in an attempt to buy them time. And based on how the following scenes play out its likely that is not actually the case. At least not initially.
As a reminder as soon as the boys unlock fusion they go off to fight buu. In the Manga the fight happens off screen but it still happens. When they return they are badly beaten. Ie at least initially goku is greater than gotenks initial appearance since we know goku was stronger than the fat buu who beat gotenks handily.
2) super buu himself is actually most likely not that much stronger than the initial fat buu. What the fans call super buu is actually just the initial fat buu but not holding back due to the influence of the kais. He is tamed and restrained but we do see that when the fat buu gets angry his energy increases. Super buu is just a fat buu with rage boost by default.
3)this is open to interpretation but the scene where goku says super buu is stronger them is qualified by the phrase "like this". Ie miniaturized versions of themselves. They had no idea leaving buu would cause them to revert. Their whole plan was improvised since the fusion wore off. Remember they thought it was supposed to be permanent.
4) vegetas statements of we can take him don't make sense in any context. We already know vegeta is no match for the initial fat buu let alone kid buu who is clearly stronger. This just another example of vegeta being overconfident which is consistent withbhis character. It's explicitly stated buu is getting stronger. People can downplay that all they want but that is explicitly what is said by goku who has more insight than vegeta does. At least in Z. Also as a little side note the God ki aspect of kid buu could be a nice little retcon to explain why vegeta couldn't sense his full power. But obvious toriyama hadn't thought of that yet
Facts. They just heavily underestimated Buu from the jump. Literally, right out of the shell.
They had every reason to believe removing the Fat Buu would make him weaker. They wouldn’t know the Fat Kai was the only thing holding Kid Buu’s power back.
Super Buu knew this. He also knew once the Fat Kai was removed, he would no longer exist as a personality. He literally won’t be himself anymore.
They do this and there’s an immediate personality struggle with Super Buu being the first one “killed” followed by Buff Buu. Leaving Kid Buu, the original personality back in control.
We see this play out on screen but since Goku/Vegeta don’t understand exactly what’s goin on, following their narrative we come to false conclusions like they could “probably” take the small buu.
We then see Kid Buu. In the anime he sends a small blast to destroy earth. Vegeta stops it, he smiles and sends so much energy they couldn’t hope to stop it. Proving this narrative wrong.
The last underestimation was Vegeta saying Goku could win. He showed us repeatedly he couldn’t. Not with his own power. Leading to Vegeta suggesting the Spirit Bomb. A technique that uses outside energy and doesn’t require much energy to wield. Remember, the wish for Goku’s energy was Dende’s idea. This proves that Vegeta was wrong. Without that wish, they die.
The fact that it was Vegeta’s idea only highlights our characters at the idea. They both WANTED to fight Kid Buu. They’re saiyan lol They wanted to see if they could win with their own power. Vegeta realizes he doesn’t stand a chance almost instantly. Goku did a little better. Once it became clear they probably weren’t gonna win with their own power, Spirit Bomb.
And this leads to Goku making the wish for Uub. Because he couldn’t overcome Kid Buu with his own power.
Poetic lol
In Super, I like the God Ki thing but they missed the mark a little bit IMO like Kid Buu had God Ki from the Grand Supreme Kai. Cool but why not the South Supreme Kai? The Kai that, for all we know was still apart Kid Buu when Goku killed him?
LSM did a video about him and I’m like shyt, maybe they just forgot lol but I digress.
I think all the Buu’s are underrated. Him having multiple personalities makes him so interesting lol then his crazy absorption and the Kai’s just add to the cleverness of the character.
If Fat Buu was on that timing, Gotenks would’ve ran into battle and been killed instantly lol If Super Buu went to blow up the Earth, could Gohan have actually stopped him? We don’t know lol
Kid Buu doing what he did made me really question if anybody really stood a chance up to that point lol if any other Buu decided to go the Kid Buu route, who at the time could really stop it? Kid Buu only fought AFTER he blew up the Earth. Every other Buu didn’t try lol
This would be a great fight to see.
Super Buu vs Janemba would be a good “What if?” Fight!
The thing is kid buu didn’t exist in mind of Akita during the super buu arc. Such a missed opportunity.
Very interesting! Maybe a "Android 19 vs. Namek Frieza?"
Honestly Frieza could just cut of 19's hands off
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Not sure. 19 might be able to absorb the death saucers. I think the issue is that Frieza might need to get to 100% power which will drain fast due to low stamina and power draining.
@@johnquach8821 I don't think 19 could absorb the death saucers or maybe not even the death beam, but the Supernova and death Ball probably,
Frieza can’t sense Ki, he’d think 19 was a push over and get more and more of his Ki absorbed until it’s too late. Frieza is hard to kill but he does get tired.
“The very small increase he got from absorbing Piccolo” Why you do Piccolo like that? 😂
Hell absorbing Piccolo boosted his intelligence... He wasn't even able too properly speak until he absorbed Piccolo
I totally agree on all the points you make in your video.
and regarding the idea that kid buu is the strongest buu, apart from the obvious and logical arguments you put forward
I have the impression that people don't see goku's reaction.
against kid buu, he's confident and doesn't want to merge, even going one-on-one against kid buu (in the end, the two are on the same level if you don't take stamina into account).
against super buu, goku doesn't want to fight even with vegeta's help, he absolutely wants to merge with vegeta
against buupicollo , he wants gohan to beat him
against buutenks , he panics and goes straight into ssj3 and begs buu to wait for gohan to find the potala and merge with goku
against buuhan, goku is so desperate (as never before in the manga) that he's ready to fuse with dendé or satan, and even supposing that fusion would make him less strong, he still takes the risk of throwing the potala at satan a few seconds before feeling vegeta's ki.
fat buu and kid buu are the only buu goku can fight
the other versions of buu are simply in a different category of power, far far far superior to him and far far far superior to kid buu or fat buu original
That would have been an interesting fight to have seen, though, to be honest 🤔
I love your videos Man
I never understood why Gotenks was ALWAYS goofing off. I mean we saw how serious Goten and Trunks could be, yet every time they fused, it was like comedy hour, or in this case half hour.
Because individually they always had people above them. But as a fusion they were literally the strongest person in the universe (before Gohan shows up) that kind of power makes a kid over confident. It's like Gohan during the cell games if he wasn't so angry
They also enable each other really bad. Goten tends to defer to trunks, so they kinda bring out the worse in each other's bad habits.
Trunks is Vegeta's son.
Goten is Goku's son.
They're children of 7 and 8.
Do the math
These videos remind me of long threads in old dragon ball boards about who was stronger. When they use the namek dragon balls, don't they say "you're going to bring Gohan and the boys here, to fight buu?" And that's when vegeta says no, earth saves itself. Genki dama time. Was that anime only?
The Kid Buu disrespect is crazy lmao
Gotenks could have killed super buu if he would stop dicking around and kid buu is weaker than super buu
What disrespect? You mean the overrated power people think he has?
Facts can't be disrespectful
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GODif they underestimated his power at first then it's fair to say goku and vegetas earlier statements aren't valid when scaling kid buu and super buu
@@elijahwatjen9839 yeah but if kid Buu was really stronger then super Buu which still wouldn't make sense because super Buu is a fusion of two buu's, they would actually need Gogeta or Vegito to win
On lore: My head canon is that Kid Buu “possessed” God Ki but could not access it. He didn’t know how. Thank Kami he never got around anyone who could utilize God Ki because he’d then just summon his own and be UI level and one shot the macrocosm.
I head canon that the Cell Jrs. Wandered around aimlessly before eventually finding 17s island. 17 had been training for like… a week, and so was already Perfect Cell level. Considering he’s SSB level by the time of the TOP 9 years or so later, and SSB is tens if not hundreds of thousands of times stronger than SS2, this is actually a reasonable linear growth rate for 17.
Love these videos keep em coming. I think whne it comes to Raw Power Gotenks has the edge but just like we saw him in his battle against Super Buu he is not as serious. Going up against a deadly opponent as Kid Buu would not be so mercyful. Kid Buu would ultimatly win.
I have 2 great questions. Would Gotenks has been able to reach ssj3 if Goten and Trunks didn't see and feel it?
And does beast Gohan have God ki? I thought Vegeta got super Saiyan God from fighting people with God ki. It was mentioned in battle of gods that Goku felt God ki and remembered it, or something like that.
If you pay attention you get the awnsers
Can you do a video on friezas transformation multipliers
30:35 i think on kid buu is just on another level of not stamina, ruthlessness and unpredictability.
Kid Buu Wins Gotenks is a Gag Character Despite Gotenks being far Superior in strength, the Character is just hard to be taken seriously his purpose is to be comedic relief and has never gotten anything done because of it. Maybe until Goten and Trunks are Adults it’s probably gonna always be that way.
Piccolo was confident that ssj1 Gotenks could handle Fat Buu, so ssj1 Gotenks is either comparable or stronger than the ssj3 Goku who battled Fat Buu and that's BEFORE Goten and Trunks trained in the time chamber.
Post Time Chamber SSJ1 Gotenks would be stronger than SSJ3 Goku was when he fought Kid Buu. SSJ3 Gotenks would literally OneShot Kid Buu 😅
Bruh didn’t one shot anything the whole saga yet he gone one shot Kid Buu? Fukk no. He blows up Kid Buu, Kid Buu comes back and it’s curtains.
Y’all see repeatedly nobody generates enough energy to kill any Buu until the Spirit Bomb. Y’all also see Gotenks blow Super Buu to shyts multiple times and it doesn’t work.
The anime does a good job at showing this. Go watch Goku point blank Kid Buu to the head and fail and tell me u really believe Gotenks could do it.
Goku outright states they should be able win and minutes later Kid Buu unleashes a blast that him and Vegeta cant stop. What does that tell u fam? That they had severely underestimated Kid Buu.
I just don’t see it. That’s before taking into account Gotenks personality, in which case, he definitely gettin washed. No ifs, no buts.
After reading through the comments, I'm glad to see a majority of viewers are thinking the same way; Gotenks is superior in power and takes the win BUT only if he takes things seriously and quickly ends Buu. Seriously, we know this kid would either get absorbed again of play with his prey for too long and Buu would just blow up whatever planet they are on and reform when it's all said and done.
Honestly, I don't even think Gotenks NEEDS to go Super Saiyan 3. Just Super Saiyan 1 Gotenks should be able to get the job done. He should only go SS3 if he NEEDS to and if he is trying to get the job done ASAP because remember SS3 Gotenks only lasts for 5 minutes. Once his energy runs out, he reverts back to base and then defuses quickly after.
I’m just here looking for that one comment about Mike giving credit, respecting the audience and such lol
Regular Full Powered Perfect Cell vs Buu Saga SSj1 Goku.
Goku neg diffs
Can u please do a video on why no one ever tried to master SSJ3. To reduce the stamina drain.
Because dbz ended and super quickly replaced it with ssjg thus making it a pointless form
@@exia7777and then replaced god with blue, blue with blue kk, blue kk with ui, etc. i hate super
@@_Meltedburrito same
If he wanted too, Gotenks could definitely win a decisive victory. But most likely he would play with his food due to the power gap, and because he’s a fool, and his power up would definitely fade before he has a chance to kill Kid Buu.
So, u saying he wasn’t trying against Super Buu? Cause I remember him trying and that shyt not working lol
@maniacslap1623 not at first. He plays around too much. And it’s heavily implied he was close maybe finishing Super Buu until his SSJ3 wore off. Does that mean he would killed him. Idk. Personally I don’t really think so, but regardless of that fact.
The fact of the matter that is that he is relevant to Super Buu. And Super Buu is far stronger than Kid Buu. So Gotenks would stomp Kid Buu if he really tried too.
Seriously... they are both crazy personalities. Kids are kids... they would both GOOF OFF
I feel like this can be used to Argue Gohans Superiority to Ssj3 Goku
I dont think Gotenks would screw around too much, like you said, he was already absorbed by Super Buu and knows very well the consequences of screwing around. But even if he does, somebody most likely Piccolo or Vegeta or even Goku, would let him know that he should finish it immediately.
Talking about this 20 years later
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See people who only watch the American dub and played the video game always believe kid buu was stronger
It's not just the dub the anime throws in one line about kid buu being stronger. But events in the anime contradict it. The manga is free of contradictions
@@psychotropicfan elder kai spouting nonsense is always what ruins it.
Kid buu easy, both would most certainly play around too much and that would frustrate Gotenks distracting them even further. Also we only can assume the regeneration is weaker, but it also isn't insane to think kid buu would still be able to come back from smoke, and Gotenks never showed a more destructive attack to handle that
Original Dragon Ball Z anime says “this is the purely evil, absolutely most powerful, ultimate Majin Buu” about Kid Buu.
And the original anime has Goku say Kid Buu is stronger than anyone he ever fought. Which includes Fat Buu, Buutenks, Buuhan, Super Buu, and Kid Buu.
The mistake in your video is that you are assuming Goku hadn't gotten way stronger since fighting buu. Filler doesn't mean it's a dream sequence or it didn't happen. Filler is just a term we use to describe something that was added for time. Fair enough, but like it or not, it's canon to the anime, to the story being told. So, Goku being a match for Gohan in only his SS form, makes him superior to SS3 Gotenks by a mile. And that Goku lost to Kid Buu while using a form that was over 4x stronger than the one he used against Gohan(until he used the SB)
You totally just skipped over this.
Super Saiyan gotenks easily would slap around kid buu. However, nothing is certain with any version of buu. I reckon kid buu finds a way to absorb gotenks.
Hence why they didn't fight on the kaio world. Kid buu would reabsorb gohan/gotenks. Buu almost got goku lol (when kid buu turned into a square and approached goku).
Gotenks getting washed. Don’t act like he wasn’t trying against Super Buu. He tried he failed. The Kid would blow his shyt like he tried to do with Goku. If he survives, he gettin hands until his fusion wear off.
It’s like the Gohan fight. We know Gohan coulda won but he lost because he was arrogant. With Gotenks, we don’t even know if he woulda won. He thinks he wins that fight multiple times. Even Piccolo thinks he wins at one point. Both wrong.
Notice Goku went from confidently saying he could, to running from his life when Kid Buu unleashed on the Earth.
Gotenks getting clapped and it ain’t even close.
The Kid Buu disrespect is amazing as usual. And this one statement by Goku seems to triumph over everything else.
Vegita pulls out Fat Buu from Super Buu stating Super Buu power will go down. It is stated to go up. But it must have gone back down due to Goku statement. Regardless that makes no sense. Regardless that no one ever says it. Regardless that Vegita once they defused stated fusion wasn’t necessary anymore as he was never that afraid of super Buu. And regardless that from a writing perspective it at worst makes no sense and at best is confusing if you have a character give a plan the plan is executed the intended result doesn’t happen but then it does happen but the writer doesn’t state it happens it must be inferred. Seriously?
Elder Kioshin states Kid Buu is the most dangerous or difficult (the Japanese word means powerful or dangerous or difficult depending on context according to Herms) That can’t mean power due to Goku statement. It must mean personality. Where has anyone been less intelligent and less powerful but been more difficult?
Goku states Vegita’s wish is to have Gohan and Gotenks fight with them. Somehow either could individually defeat him but he doesn’t say that. Even though Goku stated Gotenks can beat Fat Buu and Gohan can beat Buu with piccolo.
Goku makes a Genki Dama but that’s only Genki. Even though Vegita says Goku is going to get as much energy as he can. Even though a person puts his hands up and he states it took all my energy. Even though ogre in King Yama are on the ground as they gave energy too a physical showing that it is all ki. Even though the Namekians states categorically they gave all their Ki to the Genki Dama, Gohan must not have because Goku stated he can’t beat Super Buu but can beat Kid Buu so Kid Buu must be weaker. I guess Gohan unlike the namekians, king Yama, and random humans, didn’t want to defeat Buu as he only gave a small portion of his ki.
Goku was trolling to make buu want to wait on gotenks. The reason goku said the fusion would be stronger than him is becsuse he wants the new generation to save the earth not a dead guy. Motivation to sum it up.
I feel like it would end the same way it did super buu though better or worse depending on what you think
I hope Sparking Zero gets into some what ifs like this. Gotenks vs Kid Buu and Gohan vs Kid Buu Gotenks absorbed
Who would win between Ultimate Gohan vs Buff Buu?
I had always grown up with the notion of:
Kid Buu =< SSJ3 Goku =< SSJ1 Gotenks < SSJ3 Gotenks < Ultimate Gohan, which gives me some sense as to how this would play out.
I’m tired of the kid buu disrespect he would solo zeno 😠😂Jp but he would just blow up the planet then go to other world to get more smoke from the dead opp gotenks . I’m just playing. W video!!!!!!!!! Love watching ur videos
Gotenks could win, but he never takes anybody seriously.
Is there a reason he says chi instead of ki? Genuinely curious I just haven’t heard anyone else pronounce it that way.
Chi and Ki are the same concept. “Chi” is the Chinese pronunciation, “Ki” is the Japanese. The manga spells it using Chi, so manga readers tend to use that pronunciation.
I alternate pronunciations for Ki, character names and other elements throughout my videos, in part because my audience is comprised of various demographics who use varied pronunciations.
A Super Saiyan Gotenks vs Kid Buu would be a helluva fun fight. Pretty fucking hilarious I'd imagine too. They'd be fairly evenly matched I would think. Of course SS3 Gotenks should obviously beat Kid Buu but that should go without saying.
Don’t forget to mention when Vegeta says Goku is stronger than he imagined.
Just like with Dabura being felt and compared to Cell, then called stronger..
Vegeta sees and feels Goku’s SSJ3 display vs Fat Buu from Other World. The same display was felt in the Kaioshin Realm. Meaning if you’re in Universe 7’s living realm, Universe 7’s afterlife (Other World), or the Kaioshin Realm orbiting Universe 7, and Goku uses SSJ3, you will sense his Ki.
Which brings me to the next two times Goku transforms into SSJ3.
Once for Gohan on the Kaioshin Planet.
And once for Buutenks on Earth.
Since Vegeta was in Universe 7’s Other World, he’d be close enough to sense both SSJ3 power ups from Goku.
Yet when Goku powers up vs Kid Buu (what the Super Exciting Guide described as Full Power is credited as authored by Toriyama), Vegeta admits Goku is stronger than he imagined.
Meaning Goku vs Kid Buu is stronger than Goku was vs Fat Buu, for Gohan, and vs Buutenks.
1. Saiyans get LARGE boosts from: zenkais(near death) fighting long battles, or rage boosts. None of which occur for goku in any continuity other than kid buu. I’m between these ssj3 showings, we see no plausible instance (based on the aforementioned 3 items) to say goku got stronger
2. Goku fought fat buu not with the intent to win, but to stall him. The fight isn’t very long, and once trunks gets the radar goku powers down and we can clearly tell his stamina has just plummeted.
3. Since goku rlly was trying to stall, there’s no reason to believe he was using all his power. Dbz characters fight all the time without being at 100% during a fight. Especially in a fight where the objective is not to win, but stall. For example, cell vs goku. And when you actually analyze the fight, goku was putting it a lot more attacks than fat buu lol.
Hello, I'm new to your channel. I was wondering if you would make a video explaining why Vegeta skipped ssj3, and most importantly, why he couldn't reach ssj4 on his own. I find that disrespectful to Vegeta because he trains harder than Goku.
I believe him and Geekdom made a video on it together
He did do a video on it, 2 months ago
Ssj3 drains way too much power so he decided not to use it
Thank you for your generosity. I made a video about Why Vegeta Never Went SSJ3 which you can find here: Why Vegeta Never Became A Super Saiyan 3
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I have another video planned for later this year about why Baby Vegeta didn’t become an SSJ4, where I’ll discuss the machine and everything else.
@@LSMMIKEAwesome! That's one i'm looking forward to❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Imagine if gotenks learned the parapara damce with theyre ghosts. i know parara isnt really explained but if it could work on anyone it would be strong.
From a storytelling perspective, especially from a very by-the-book conventional writer like Toriyama, why wouldn't the final boss logically be the strongest?
Probably because Toriyama had written himself into a corner, Gotenks and Gohan by this point were somewhere around 8-10x stronger than Goku and therefore roughly around 30-40x stronger than Vegeta at a minimum, but he wanted the most popular characters in the ending.
The Spirit Bomb could legit be that strong. Goku’s never been shown to need his full power to use it and it’s been shown to hit wayyyy above its weight class. Look at what it did to Frieza, when Goku’s power level was 3M and he was exhausted lmao
Here’s a good question. When super Buu (ssj3 Gotenks absorbed) regressed to being mainly piccolo, how would the battle between Buu and Gohan go since Buu still has the mind of Piccolo and knows everything about Gohan?
Gohan would win easily, the fusion is a very high power boost, and its even stated by goku after the fusion timer runs out that gohan can now defeat buu with piccolo absorbed.
@@seksaouiabderraouf2531 true, Goku did say that. But Buu is alot smarter with Piccolo absorbed, and sometimes it’s the smarter fighter who wins. If Gohan doesn’t play around, he does obliterate Buu. That’s a big IF because we know how Gohan is when he has the upper hand.
If Gotenks was SERIOUS from the start then yes
Genki is the aspect of Ki that is energy, that is energy beams, that is aura.
Genki is influenced by Shoki and Yuki which results in the Chi level.
The Genki Dama is the title of the technique, but Goku collects Chi. Not Chi.
Goku can gather from inanimate objects.
20:00 you're wrong. Toryiama just had yet ANOTHER "the audience is dumb" moment, he was showing us yet again, "don't misjudge muh small person power" because it makes no sense. both vegeta and goku could sense kid buu's energy, yet they got easily handled afterwards.
I still don't rally care which version of Buu is stronger and I still wonder why none of dragonball fights ever end in draws/ties apart from maybe in the Universal Survival tournament arc in Super.
I always looked at Gotenks as a disgrace even though hes a kid. If they bring him back in a Super movie. Hopefully hes more serious and not a joke like he been.
Kid Buu might not be the most powerful but he is the most dangerous bc he isn’t held back by any other motivations. He goes from planet to planet destroying them immediately-along with himself, just to regenerate and move onto the next target. This threat is more concerning to the Z warriors because he doesn’t waste time with vanity, pleasure or proving himself strongest like the other forms of Buu.
Lol what?? Kid Buu was playing around with SSJ3 Goku. Anyway powergap is hugh between SSJ3 Gotenks and Kid buu.
@@francisgomes9976 oookay? Definitely a dragonball fan. You can’t read clearly, because the first thing I said is kid buu isn’t the strongest. Kid buu tries to immediately destroy each planet he goes to. None of the other buu forms do that. He also tries to immediately destroy the planet of the Kai’s immediately before goku and vegeta interrupt him and fight. Watch the anime
@@cslack813 I have already read your first post, you said "kid Buu may not be blah blah but he is most dangerous"
Lol now you are saying "cz how he destroys/blows up each planet right way" , so what does destroying planet had to do with this fight?? 😂😂
Is he going to pull a Freeze move?? That's not what he did when Goku and Vegeta/fat Buu were fighting him.. he didn't go for destroying planet.
This video is about SSJ3 Gotenks vs Kid Buu fight.. it's not about who can destroy the planet fastest 😂😂😂
@@francisgomes9976 are you always this stupid? My comment was never about the fight. If you were familiar with the anime you would know that the whole reason people thought kid buu might be the strongest is because they call him the “most dangerous” form of buu. Specifically Supreme Kai says this. Which brings us back to my first comment…
@@francisgomes9976 yeah power gap is huge, ssj3 gotenks DESTROYS kid buu.
Toriyama is also on record stating that Buu actually probably doesn’t know his own power. So all of Buu’s statements (most notably Super Buu, Buutenks, and Buuhan’s) are unreliable in-story, and discredited out-of-story.
This is also evidence in-story as well when Buutenks thinks Goku and Gohan fusing would be futile against him and when Buuhan thinks Goku and Vegeta fusing would be no match for him, and when Buuhan thinks he’ll make Vegetto suffer, and when Buuhan thinks he became stronger and omnipotent when he absorbed Vegetto.
Super Buu is very egotistical, and like many db villains, just assumes he can’t be beaten. He doesn’t fully realize he can’t beat gohan or vegito till he fights them and sees “oh snap, these guys are stronger than me”. Same with cell and frieza. And this out of story quote from toriyama makes no sense, one because you use the term “probably” so you can’t say for certain they are all unreliable given the fact that yes, there’s a chance on a case by case basis.
@@bzdagoat
Buuhan says he’ll make Vegetto suffer AFTER Vegetto beat him up a bit. Haha
@@bzdagoat
I only used the term “probably” because that’s what Toriyama himself said.
The evidence is in the story.
@@bzdagoat He would not even give goku time to fuse with gohan. He knew lol.
The fight would objectively go however Kid Buu wanted it to go.
If Kid Buu wanted to drag it out and dance on him like he did Goku, he would. And it’d look like Gotenks was fairing well, like it looked like Goku did.
But if Kid Buu put forth effort to finish Gotenks from the beginning, then Kid Buu would slaughter Gotenks. Quickly.
As he would do to Ultimate Gohan.
Facts
1. Idk why people act like kid buu was dancing on goku the ENTIRE fight 😭😭
2. It was one panel and one scene kid buu was dancing and mocking goku because like all the other buus their stamina and regeneration are off the charts.
3. When he danced goku literally was mad and referenced buu taking his time in regenerating himself.
4. If characters are holding back in dragon ball, you will find statements, instances in a fight where one person takes the advantage and keeps it, etc. example, cell vs goku. Frieza vs everybody.
5. If kid buu is far above goku, it makes no sense for him to not beat the crap outta goku immediately LIKE HE DID VEGETA. Sure vegeta was way weaker than goku, but according to y’all, they are all fodder to kid buu? A mindless, incarnation of evil? Why would an insane character entertain someone way weaker than him and make it seem like goku was holding his own?
6. In the entire fight, the two are fighting relative. Kid buu has stamina and regeneration (like all the other buus) and ssj3 goku’s energy is plummeting like crazy. Which toriyama makes SEVERAL statements about in universe for us the readers to understand.
7. Ultimate gohan slaughters kid buu
Kid buu! Gotenks ego will be his undoing as always and kid buu will gladly play with him to drag things out
Yep, he defuse and dead meat, I like gotenks but he isn't ready for kid buu
Y’all are reaching 😂
Personally I don't think gotenks has the firepower needed to obliterate Buu. He definitely would overpower buu But would he have enough in him to keep him from regenerating? I feel like compared to a super Buu kid buus regeneration is on a different level.
That’s what I’m saying. Like Goku used the Spirit Bomb for no reason…Gotenks would be clapped as soon as soon Buu woke up. I can think of hypotheticals where he COULD win, knowing what we know, he won’t lol
You have no evidence to support his regeneration is better
Goku is Vastly weaker than Gotenks as Stated multiple times
Of course buu can regen against a weaker opponent
Please read manga
I’m reading, he was vastly stronger than Goku lol or was the Spirit Bomb for no reason?
If Gotenks took the fight seriously and tried to kill Buu immediately, then yeah he'd definitely win. As far as raw power goes Gotenks is much stronger than Buu. The issue is he's as arrogant, if not more so, than Vegeta and would likely screw around and burn through his energy without actually killing Buu.
I don't see Gotenks behaving in a way completely uncharacteristically of him so I'll say Kid Buu will win despite being outclassed in power.
Facts. And it’s not even close. More likely Gohan could but even that’s debatable.
That stamina/regeneration ain’t going anywhere and the only scenarios Gotenks wins is if we disregard that lol
But fans gon fans
If he had a technique like the Spirit Bomb, whole different argument. Or something like the Tri-Beam. He would definitely use it and it might work the first time.
It was kind of interesting how much stronger buutenks was than gohan. There is a feat from gohan that briefly impressed buutenks and that’s when he broke out of the ring constraints he was put in. So I can see gohan being able to easily beat buuiccolo. But this was in the anime, that said it seems to add up to show how close gohan was to buutenks just not enough to keep up that intensity.
Vegeta’s statement about Kid Buu is directly about physical size in the Japanese manga. The same phrase was used to describe Bulma’s microband for shrinking earlier in the series. To which Goku responds that they MIGHT be able to manage something like this.
Vegeta was directly speaking of size. And Goku was unsure if they could win.
In the Viz version, it’s ambiguous because it just says “little friend” and because Goku says “yeah we can take him”. To which they were both proven badly mistaken. Lol
Sure they remarked about his size, but you can’t seriously say for certainty goku WAS NOT sensing kid buu’s ki…they just were moments ago lol. They were proven to be mistaken NOT JUST because kid buu was necessarily (I don’t think so) vastly stronger than goku, but because of the stamina drainage of ssj3, to which toriyama makes it VERY CLEAR that’s why goku couldn’t beat him in several panels
@@bzdagoat
Read the whole manga. There’s two panels AFTER Goku concedes defeat vs Kid Buu that he’d need to train for a rematch. Stated twice. Two separate occasions.
During the fight, Goku said no matter what he did, Kid Buu’s Ki didn’t drop a bit. Not one bit. Kid Buu didn’t exert energy vs Goku. He didn’t try. He was dragging the fight on for fun. While Goku was maxed out. It’s not close.
And Goku didn’t think he could win without charging for a minute - then charged for OVER a minute and conceded that it wasn’t enough to beat Buu.
Then in Super, Goku admits he had no chance on his own.
@@trailsandtribulations7137 1. i've never said ssj3 goku > kid buu? idc if people believe kid buu stronger than him, I just debunk peeps who wanna say he was WAY stronger. like tens of times for example
2. uh sir it's pretty apparent goku could not beat kid buu bc of th estamina drain that is stated multiple times in all material? I mean their fight literally ends with goku losing his energy, NOT being bested by buu lol.
3. newsflash, none of the buu's ki realy ever drops. All the buus have insane levels of regeneration, regardless if you want to say kid buu's is more potent. I mean, vegeta straight up says the fat buu's ki is going down when he fights another majin lol.
I never understood why people ignore the fact that ALL the buu's kept coming back regardless if they were fighting someone weaker, equal, or stronger than them.
4. Not a single statement supports the idea that kid buu didn't try at all. Again, kid buu was dancing and dragging out his regeneration for TWO PANELS and like 20 seconds in the anime. You're really gonna look at that and swear kid buu wasn't trying at all? Gee, I mean, why didn't he just start beating the brakes off goku then? The same insane, chaotic character we are talking about.
5. watch and read the dancing sequence that you wanna give the most credence to over an entire fight where neither kid buu nor goku took the upperhand and kept it the entirety of the fight my friend. Kid buu dances for two panels and like 20 seconds in the anime. Relax.
6. YOU can't say someone is holding back a lot without evidence. in db, when someone is holding back, it's stated, someone takes the upperhand and keeps it, or exposition characters reveal it to the audience. Any of these things occurs in the kid buu fight my friend? No. What does that mean then? Your belief that kid buu was holding back is HEADCANON. Anyways, I had fun debunking your claims (and once they were debunked, you left them alone and went onto something else, kinda like how I debunked your claim of ssj3 goku looking better than ultimate gohan, lol). Probably won't respond again, it was cool debunking your headcanon, fabrications, and over reliance on bad writing on toei as well as out of universe materials to make in universe claims.
In the anime, Kid Buu blasts Hercule and he doesn’t die.
The OP is right, his power rises, drops and THEN Goku and Vegeta state they can probably take him. The writer makes u imply he’s weaker then has him blow up the planet, with Goku and Vegeta standing right there, the same two that just said he could take him. They were definitely overmatched.
Gotenks and Gohan woulda put on a better show but without something like the Genki-Dama everybody was getting washed.
Gotenks got clapped off screen by Fat Buu in manga. On-screen in anime. Do u believe he woulda stood a chance, even as super saiyan, before he went into the time chamber? Goku said he would. If he hadn’t unlocked ss3 would he have stood a chance against Super Buu as a super saiyan? Cause he got clapped lol
Gotenks was strong for a child. Nowhere near what people think and if I have to assume 10 things for him to get the dub, he probably couldn’t get the dub lol
@@maniacslap1623
Goku said SSJ Gotenks would be a gamble vs Fat Buu. And Piccolo said Fusion hadn’t been enough yet, implying past tense. And one of the physical copies of the manga has a description of what’s going on on the back and says Fat Buu was already unbeatable and got even stronger when he transformed into Super Buu. So SSJ Gotenks would have lost to Fat Buu, too.
Of course, this is prior to their one week of training in the Time Chamber.
Also, Goku > Gohan > Gotenks
At the time
Would Cell have stood more of a chance against SSJ2 Gohan if he hadn’t made seven Cell Jrs?
Did each Cell Jr. (who were powerful enough to destroy the likes of SSJ Vegeta and Goku) take away from Cell’s overall power? Or was SSJ2 Gohan so far beyond Cell that it wouldn’t have mattered even if he hadn’t made the Cell Jrs?
Lol SJJ2 Gohan was far far beyond Cell, it wouldn't matter. And we don't even know if Cell producing JRs takes toll on his power level
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In the Japanese version of the manga, Goku only says “damn it” when Buutenks charges him.
Viz has you confused with “noooo”.
And in the anime, Buutenks says SSJ3 Goku isn’t as bad as Ult Gohan. Which is a compliment.
Translations do not change the fact that goku went to earth to fuse with gohan because he knew he nor gohan can beat buutenks unfused. Literally flat out stated. Also, in no version of the story does buutenks compliment goku lol
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Goku was going before he had the idea of the Fusion Dance with Ultimate Gohan and before he had knowledge of the Potara Fusion. The Kaioshin literally asked him if he had a plan and he was stumped. He was just going to do the only thing he knew how - fight to save his son and Earth.
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And in the original Japanese anime and Japanese version of Kai, Buutenks compliments Goku in both versions when Buutenks returns from the Ki blast barrage and is hanging upside down.
Long story short. Ssj Gotenks stomps KidBuu. Ssj3 is overkill
Wow I actually never ever thought about this fight at all. But I’m agreeing with the comments saying Kid Buu would get annihilated by a serious Gotenks.
But if we have to make an assumption, a heavy one at that, what does that tell u lol
Lemme make an assumption too, assuming Kid Buu decides to blow up the Kai world instead of actually fighting, Gotenks getting cooked just like Goku and Vegeta almost did if it wasn’t for Kibito.
You are still a wrestling fan deep down.
The fact of the matter is!
Kid Buu dominates because without any absorption to rely on, he can use God ki.
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If Kid Buu had God ki, that would pretty much contradict all the scaling in the Buu arc entirely. How would SS3 Goku even be able to hurt him?
Kid Buu couldn't use it,it was locked within
The whole idea was a way for Toyotaro to try and make Uub relevant retroactively after they introduced numerous characters far beyond the power of Kid Buu, which in turn made Uub’s potential seem inconsequential. However, based on how God Ki(and Buu’s absorption) actually works, Kid Buu never would have kept it after the split and without the ability to harness/convert it, the God Ki would have reverted to normal Ki.
But, as is often the case, Toyotaro didn’t actually think this idea through when he added it into the manga, or realize the greater implications it had on the story.
God ki doesn't = stronger necessarily, since broly didn't have god ki and he was stronger than both goku and vegeta who had god ki.
The god ki was lying dormant it would seem.
Ass pull to beat Moro + Bad writing I would say lol
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Kid Buu wouldn’t be smart enough to avoid the Super Ghost Kamikaze. Imagine how powerful SSJ3 Ghosts would have been!
Kid Buu Wins Mid-High Difficulty
Kid Buu is already toying with ssj3 goku and remember that this ssj3 goku didn't hold back like when he fought fat buu also he held the spirit bomb which contains most of Z Fighters and some earthling population also goku stated that kid buu has gotten a lot powerful and dangerous when he last faced him so this just proves that kid buu would absolutely beat super buu also not to mention that gotenks recklessness and childish behavior would led to his easier defeat.
Just for fun:
Vegito>>>>Buuhan>Buutenks>>Ultimate Gohan>Kid Buu>Buff Buu>Buuccolo>Gotenks=Super Buu>Evil Buu>SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu>>SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
I noticed you never make videos on dragon ball super. I know we all hate that series 😂