CORRECTION: Yelena in the 2009 run is revealed to be Natasha in disguise. I only just finished reading it now which is my bad 😭 She was on the 2023 MCU synergy team so she’s technically been there, but part of my point has been disproven. It doesn’t change the fact that she still fits really well for the team and theme of the movie Anyways pls like and subscribe for more takes that will get people mad at me
I’ve always been excited for this since day one but honestly watching this just increased my hype. This feels like its gonna be something so different for the mcu and I can’t wait to see these characters get developed
Yelana is probably my favourite phase 4 character along with John walker since they’re just super interesting to me and the fact I’m getting a movie with both is something I’m really excited about
I agree.....while the Cosmic, multiverse storylines have been very hit-or-miss (Eternals, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, the Marvels, Loki)...I think the more Earthbound heroes and their stories are gonna be the breakthrough characters of this Saga, with Brave New World and Thunderbolts both picking up where several shows and movies left off.
@@WholeShebangYT I could be totally wrong as it points either way with what we know, we'll just have to see Not sure congress would prefer that one of their members is on a task force assassin team while also passing bills, he could even just be doing a thing to endorse Ross
I personally would prefer they introduce Tony Masters. Maybe they could give this version of Taskmaster a heroic send off and then introduce Tony Masters in a post credit scene. Maybe make him the blueprint for the photographic reflexes technology MCU Taskmaster uses. Tony Masters is one of my favourite comic characters. I know he's niche but I would really like an accurate representation of the character.
Its sad that, geeze if they wanted a female taskmaster, they could have gone with his daughter, Finesse. But instead they wanted the controversy and hate all for the sake of the "Twist" to full on gender bend Tony even though that was a man inside the suit for 90 percent of the movie
I knew next to nothing about this film, but after watching this I am more excited for this movie than almost anything else coming out before Fantastic 4, DoomsDay, and Secret Wars
Finally! Someone who likes Ghost as much as I do! She's so underrated because her introduction movie was mid. I'm excited to see what they do with her and how they'll develop her more. Not many people are excited for this but I'm still holding out hope 😭🔥
I think one of the most compelling things about the Thunderbolts* is the fact that most of their morally wrong actions were mostly caused by them being hurt. John Walker killed that one flagsmasher just a few scenes after the death of Lemar. Sure, it was wrong, but almost anyone in his situation would do something similar. Not only that, but his emotions were also amplified by the serum. It is all of that + the military training that he had that lead to the public execution. One of his most remarkable lines, in my opinion is, when he gets mad for them taking away his role of Captain America. He is literally calling out the U.S government for punishing him after he did exactly what they trained him to do. His anger is justified, and while his actions aren’t, it really just shows a real form of grey-morality. Ghost being an antagonist in AMATW makes her being in Thunderbolts* so interesting. Then, making her do contract kills is definitely the right decision. After years of being a weapon for S.H.I.E.L.D. she obviously struggles with feeling guilty for all bad things that she war groomed into doing. Therefore, her working as a contract killer for Valentina would work in a similar way that Bucky’s ‘amends’ worked. It’s just the government/authority figures manipulating them into doing certain things with the excuse of those things being good compared to their past backgrounds. Antonia honestly seems like a great choice for the team. Not only can they add the obvious trauma that she has experienced, but seeing her actually develop a personality will be very exciting. What I really hope for her is that they make her arc be both one of identity and trauma. She can definitely have a similar personality to Taskmaster in the comics if they write her correctly. Years of literal mind control could be a possible gateway to a small side story about identity (counting that her ability is to imitate others, seeing her develop her own fighting techniques during the film would be fun). I can definitely see what they’re trying to do with the team. An exploration of trauma, guilt, and a feeling of uselessness is what would make them stand out. Not only that, but seeing a group of anti-heroes that feels completely morally-grey is going to be really exciting. Ruthless fights and kills are definitely something that I want them to keep in the movie. They can be a great, iconic team, and I hope that the audiences receive them well enough for there to be at least a chance for a sequel.
You are awesome and I am so happy that finally someone is seeing the movie in a positive way and that this change could be great and I am even more excited because of some of the details you have explained🔥🔥
Glad to see someone else that likes Ghost, I've loved her character since i first saw antman and the wasp with how tragic her backstory was and how awesome her powers were. I was fully expecting her to show up in endgame due to Scott being trapped in the quantum realm, and since she needed the particles itd make sense for her to headback and free him... But instead we got rat Hopefully the movie explains where the fk shes been Also with how taskmaster is edited into the trailer at the end, I'm certain she dies early
I was all in for the Thunderbolts movie the moment Bucky pulled off the front wheelie and then obliterated the truck! It was simple, effective, and bad@**-classic Winter Soldier vibes. Everything else is just icing on the cake. Also team dynamics! There’s so much potential for juicy conflicts and interactions. which is one of the main reasons why i don't hate that they share similar abilities also your explanation of it being because they were recruited for the same type missions, fits. They all have a wide range of skills, set to the highest caliber, similar as they may be. Which means you can mix and match them however you want! Sure, it might not be as dramatic or suited for those super special unique missions; but it’s a solid foundation, keeps things flexible. It’s not about just one character having a key skill, and if they get knocked out the rest of the crew are screwed -instead another member can easily pic up were the downed man left off and completing the assignment
@@svprcrm7189 they could introduce some new villians like the suicide squad and give them the same no purpose storyline because they are considered stupid villians
I knew little about this team, but I was looking forward to it because I almost always prefer the smaller, lesser-known superheroes to the big names. Now that I see it's basically Marvel's Suicide Squad, it sounds pretty solid!
This is so real. I don’t want everything to be comic accurate, I want to see them change stuff and do cool mcu stuff. I’ve been so hyped for this movie since the team was announced. Also the midnight sons team should do a similar thing, no strange or ghost rider or mutants, it should be Agatha, Wong, Dane Whitman, blade, Jack Russell and Elsa bloodstone to start
@@georgehunt7187 If I wanted things to be 100% accurate, I’d just read the comics! I love when new directions are taken bc it feels fresh and unique to this universe Also I like that roster a lot, especially seeing Black Knight involved
It's one thing to make it your own but it's another to just make the team unrecognizable. John and yelena should have been the only ones confirmed for the team, but the rest? I mean, John, he is supposed to be the captain America stand in. But he's put on a team with 3 shield wielders and 3 super soldiers? Even ghost like.......cool for the design, but you made her wear an all back suit with a white head just like they did with the other person taskmaster, who also is another woman wearing all black and a white head? You had so many toys in the toy box to play with but they choose to more so make this a black widow sequel, over being a Thunderbolts movie?
7:16 completely agree with this! Ant Man and the Wasp is actually one of my most rewatched MCU films and my family loves to play it in the background all the time. And while my family doesn't seem to really have an opinion on Ghost, I really enjoyed her character. She's very similar to Bucky, but he is much more loved both because he's had 10 years of development and way more screentime. I hope more people appreciate her after this movie releases!
Is the change done out of completely misunderstanding the character and just doing whatever you want because you can? I feel that's a little unfair. I wanted to see Batman and Superman team up, not pretentious edge-lord "fan" fiction. Were we asking too much? 😞
Change can be good but in this case, they're throwing away one of best unique pitches for a hero team just to make another take on suicide Squad Plus I don't get why comic fans can't dislike unfaithful adaptations, no one gets upset over book fans blasting unfaithful adaptations
As someone who has not been keeping up with Marvel much at all, that leaked Thunderbolts trailer hooked me. This central shared struggle that every one of the characters is facing in their own ways brings me back to earlier MCU films, and it doesn’t just feel like a team pulling in a bunch of randoms. Can’t wait to see this, because ngl the premise is very promising.
@@TheMCA99 It's fine if you like but for me it just doesn't fit to have Red Hulk go up against Captains America. And for the record I would be saying that if it was Steve instead of Sam. They're both great heroes but neither is at powerhouse level to take on a Hulk
Man... Tony Masters is my favorite character in the comics. I'm honestly really sad to not see him but I'll still see the movie cause i love Red Guardian and Ghost.
Yeah, not quite sure why he’s on a team of antagonists last I checked he was actually a hero. I mean he’s a better hero than the weirdo who got super offended by him daring to ask him to be his wingman
@@creed8712 He's a damn near perfect soldier who has done all that was asked of him. Even after taking the super serum which they said would corrupt anyone other than Steve Rogers, he chose to save people over defending his own honour. Honestly at worst all John Walker has done is simply be put in the worst possible position of not being the Captain America that everyone loves and misses.
I like the lineup characteristically, but I kinda wish there were more meta humans rather than just a few super soldiers. I like ghost, and I wish in thunderbolts taskmaster actually copies peoples powers/attacks. Maybe not powers, but taskmaster with sentry’s abilities would be so sick.
When this movie was announced I was hoping it would be an adaption of Luke cages thunderbolts. How foolish I was back then. By know o was expecting for mutants to be a thing in the Mcu lol. By even though this team is made up of mostly super soldiers I’m excited to seeing their interactions they have the potential to not just be comedy gold but dramatic gold too
I don't know what it is about this film, but it feels like it will be a comfort MCU film. Not something really great like Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy, but I think it will be a ton of fun.
Mann… I am one of those people wishing for OG members like Songbird or Moonstone. Heck maybe even Atlas (didn’t hydra steal a vial of pym particles in Ant-Man 1? Couldn’t he be roped in with that) but your video made me understand what the MCU is doing. I’m still kinda bummed but I’ll let them cook
I’m definitely looking forward to seeing some of the returning cast, but I’m most interested in seeing how they depict Sentry. I’ve only read a couple of his comics but I think he’s very interesting when written well. If they could lean a bit into the “forgotten superhero” aspect I think it could be cool.
There's a theory out there about perhaps Red guardian did actually fight Captain America just not though one we know pre-endgame, and that the one that Red guardian actually fought was Steve after he'd taken back the stones.
Well, I’d just hope for it to be good. My concern is I hope they do characters like Sentry justice. I trust they will not repeat the same mistakes they’ve been doing for the past three years.
So you’re telling me Marvel is releasing a movie with Thunderbolt Ross as the villain, and then a movie with a team of villains called the Thunderbolts, and they’re unrelated?
Yes. In the comics, they had nothing to do with each other for like.. 20 years. OG Thunderbolts name was a Nazi reference(look up the Thunderbolts logo, its the SS Waffen logo) because Zemo was behind the team.
@@00pium_kingvampstan I hate how people are saying Sentry is going to be the villain but it's obviously gonna be Valentina. How stupid does Marvel think we are?!?
I love U.S Agent and thought he was the best part of FATWS, Wyatt Russel played him so well and I kinda found him the most likable. Excited to see some more.
Why wouldn’t she still be with him? They’ve known each other since they were kids, why would she walk out on her best friend right after Lemar just died? Like she’s clearly well aware who the flag smashers were and that they were responsible for Lemar’s death. He killed a flag smasher in revenge for his friend, an understandable move by any human emotion logic.
@@WholeShebangYT *THANK YOU!* Give her a girlfriend or someone else (not Kate Bishop!). Bucky should be with someone else. We got robbed of Romanoff and Barnes!
Yeah, to be honest I won't keep high expectations. Yes, most of the cast have been members of the Thunderbolts at some point, but they were used as the moral compases of their teams, and all the previous appearances of the team were less than spectacular on their depictions... Also, it's kind of disrespectful to call The Thunderbolts "Marvel's Suicide Squad." The only time they were anything like that was during The Initiative and kiiiiind of during Kingpin's reign. This team seems spiritually more in line with the Secret Avengers than anything else, and makes me wonder why they didn't chose that name and why they chose to disrespect The Thunderbolts.
I agree change is good. Seriously. But at the same time I love Dark Reign so much that I can't help but think about how good a full-ass saga of the mcu dedicated to adapting it would be. Just replace Norman Osborn with Justin Hammer (which would be necessary for Sony reasons) and it would be an epic political thriller. BUT I also realize the MCU is in absolutely in no state to adapt that series of stories, nor that version of the thunderbolts right now. So this is fine.
I was already on board when ghost is in the team now I just want to know who will their opposition be in thunderbolts who’s the main antagonists apart from void
Walker was never a villain. He was just as much a victim of the government’s mismanagement as the flag smashers though in distinctly different ways. The hate he gets has never made sense to me.
I LOVE YELENA, GHOST AND US AGENT!!! THEY ARE MY LIFE!!! I really want to see an interaction with Yelena and Kamala Kahn. They would have perfect chemistry.
I have various reasons why I do not like this film idea as one of them is that it doesn't have anyone from the comics or at least the ORIGINAL TEAM of Thunderbolts, we are dealing with different versions of certain characters from the comics...remember the Taskmaster issue and it doesn't feel right in a good way for me in my personal opinion. I feel like out of all of the Marvel films for 2025, this one is the one that I worry about the most because it feels like it is truly set up for failure regardless of the results of it all.
Heres the thing, majority of them are in mid movies, no one's gonna ask someone who was checked out of the multiverse saga to watch Blackwidow, Hawkeye tv show, Ant man and the wasp, and Falcon and the winter soldier to follow on their stories
The problem with the team is a lack of diversity in powers, aesthetics, and personality. Not only do they look and feel boring because most of them are "good at punching / good at shooting in jackets / leather," but many of them don't have distinct personalities because they are either copies of other characters or just plain poorly written.
@@jaydonsullivan5145 then it becomes a deadpool movie rather than a Thunderbolts movie. you'd have to make the other characters, at least a couple of them to be on par with Deadpool in order for that not to happen
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CORRECTION: Yelena in the 2009 run is revealed to be Natasha in disguise. I only just finished reading it now which is my bad 😭
She was on the 2023 MCU synergy team so she’s technically been there, but part of my point has been disproven. It doesn’t change the fact that she still fits really well for the team and theme of the movie
Anyways pls like and subscribe for more takes that will get people mad at me
This will either be guardians of the galaxy good or eternals bad, nothing in between…
@@God-k5b eternals wasn’t that bad tbh. Just should have been a show instead of a movie so they could expand on things better
@@Viqtor you can say the same about inhumans which was a god awful show lol.
@@God-k5b That should have been a movie, low budget didnt do it favour
The constant blurring of the definitely-not-real trailer footage with the desperate text on top of it killed me every time
I’m glad that bit landed with someone 😭
If Sentry is not depowered significantly, then adding Abomination or Justin Hammer in some kind of Hulkbuster suit would be justified.
We need Hammer back. Its been too long
you could put 1000 hulkbusters sentry woudl clear easily.
@@g_l_o_o_m_y_y I still hope, we get the Armor Wars movie and that he is in it.
@@Blitzsen Excalty. But we all know Marvel will massively depower Sentry because they are terrible at writting stron characters.
Shut up @@ArishemTheJudge-19
Finally another person that cares about Ghost, love her and I am happy we are finally seeing her again
Ghost Cinematic Universe imo
Freaking LOOOVVVVEEE tangibility as a superpower. Can’t wait to see more of her!!!
I hope thunderbolts is Good
I’ve always been excited for this since day one but honestly watching this just increased my hype. This feels like its gonna be something so different for the mcu and I can’t wait to see these characters get developed
Yelana is probably my favourite phase 4 character along with John walker since they’re just super interesting to me and the fact I’m getting a movie with both is something I’m really excited about
I agree.....while the Cosmic, multiverse storylines have been very hit-or-miss (Eternals, Multiverse of Madness, Quantumania, the Marvels, Loki)...I think the more Earthbound heroes and their stories are gonna be the breakthrough characters of this Saga, with Brave New World and Thunderbolts both picking up where several shows and movies left off.
Took the words right out of my mouth, I'm so glad this movie is getting some love. One of the most underrated upcoming projects for sure
I'm sure bucky is more of a spokesman for congress rather than holding an actual seat in government
You’re probably right. I am a comic book TH-camr I don’t know shit about government
@@WholeShebangYT I could be totally wrong as it points either way with what we know, we'll just have to see
Not sure congress would prefer that one of their members is on a task force assassin team while also passing bills, he could even just be doing a thing to endorse Ross
LMAO yeah I’m pretty sure he canonically assassinated Kennedy too so it isn’t a great look
@@WholeShebangYT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT??
I feel like it doesn't really make sense for Bucky to be a congressman.
I personally would prefer they introduce Tony Masters. Maybe they could give this version of Taskmaster a heroic send off and then introduce Tony Masters in a post credit scene. Maybe make him the blueprint for the photographic reflexes technology MCU Taskmaster uses.
Tony Masters is one of my favourite comic characters. I know he's niche but I would really like an accurate representation of the character.
I also hope we get Tony, they gotta get him in here somehow
Its sad that, geeze if they wanted a female taskmaster, they could have gone with his daughter, Finesse. But instead they wanted the controversy and hate all for the sake of the "Twist" to full on gender bend Tony even though that was a man inside the suit for 90 percent of the movie
@@CryptidZeker415 it’s weird how they have easier options but always go with the option to annoy more people than not.
The explanation of all of their similar abilities because they are all sent to do the same mission is really good
I knew next to nothing about this film, but after watching this I am more excited for this movie than almost anything else coming out before Fantastic 4, DoomsDay, and Secret Wars
Same (other than daredevil)
I can't wait for this! As long as Bucky and Yelena don't die, I don't mind what will happen. I bet it will be good movie :)
Let's add U.S. Agent to that whole "don't die" thing.
@@Wolffman109 I have a strong feeling that Bucky will die though :( I don't want it to happen but that might happen
Somehow a hot take on the internet - progress is good
You’d be shocked at how many people never want anything to change
Finally! Someone who likes Ghost as much as I do! She's so underrated because her introduction movie was mid. I'm excited to see what they do with her and how they'll develop her more. Not many people are excited for this but I'm still holding out hope 😭🔥
i haven't seen the trailer yet, but you just convinced me for this movie
so excited for sentury too, and him being played by invincible? awesome
Then I’ve done my job 🫡
@@WholeShebangYT indeed you have
@@WholeShebangYTIs it still somewhere out there?
I think one of the most compelling things about the Thunderbolts* is the fact that most of their morally wrong actions were mostly caused by them being hurt.
John Walker killed that one flagsmasher just a few scenes after the death of Lemar. Sure, it was wrong, but almost anyone in his situation would do something similar. Not only that, but his emotions were also amplified by the serum. It is all of that + the military training that he had that lead to the public execution. One of his most remarkable lines, in my opinion is, when he gets mad for them taking away his role of Captain America. He is literally calling out the U.S government for punishing him after he did exactly what they trained him to do. His anger is justified, and while his actions aren’t, it really just shows a real form of grey-morality.
Ghost being an antagonist in AMATW makes her being in Thunderbolts* so interesting. Then, making her do contract kills is definitely the right decision. After years of being a weapon for S.H.I.E.L.D. she obviously struggles with feeling guilty for all bad things that she war groomed into doing. Therefore, her working as a contract killer for Valentina would work in a similar way that Bucky’s ‘amends’ worked. It’s just the government/authority figures manipulating them into doing certain things with the excuse of those things being good compared to their past backgrounds.
Antonia honestly seems like a great choice for the team. Not only can they add the obvious trauma that she has experienced, but seeing her actually develop a personality will be very exciting. What I really hope for her is that they make her arc be both one of identity and trauma. She can definitely have a similar personality to Taskmaster in the comics if they write her correctly. Years of literal mind control could be a possible gateway to a small side story about identity (counting that her ability is to imitate others, seeing her develop her own fighting techniques during the film would be fun).
I can definitely see what they’re trying to do with the team. An exploration of trauma, guilt, and a feeling of uselessness is what would make them stand out. Not only that, but seeing a group of anti-heroes that feels completely morally-grey is going to be really exciting. Ruthless fights and kills are definitely something that I want them to keep in the movie. They can be a great, iconic team, and I hope that the audiences receive them well enough for there to be at least a chance for a sequel.
Absolutely love to hear all of this insight. The themes in this movie are really gonna hit
Marvel hasn't been dealing with the themes of trauma in the most mature ways.
Underrated moment was the namor analogy. Change is good!
You are awesome and I am so happy that finally someone is seeing the movie in a positive way and that this change could be great and I am even more excited because of some of the details you have explained🔥🔥
It makes me happy hearing someone else is excited for this
Thunderbolts is probably what I'm most excited for that isnt an Avengers movie
Glad to see someone else that likes Ghost, I've loved her character since i first saw antman and the wasp with how tragic her backstory was and how awesome her powers were.
I was fully expecting her to show up in endgame due to Scott being trapped in the quantum realm, and since she needed the particles itd make sense for her to headback and free him... But instead we got rat
Hopefully the movie explains where the fk shes been
Also with how taskmaster is edited into the trailer at the end, I'm certain she dies early
I had never heard of thunderbolts before this but I was weirdly hyped for some reason and seeing this video has increased the hype for me
I was all in for the Thunderbolts movie the moment Bucky pulled off the front wheelie and then obliterated the truck! It was simple, effective, and bad@**-classic Winter Soldier vibes. Everything else is just icing on the cake.
Also team dynamics! There’s so much potential for juicy conflicts and interactions. which is one of the main reasons why i don't hate that they share similar abilities also your explanation of it being because they were recruited for the same type missions, fits.
They all have a wide range of skills, set to the highest caliber, similar as they may be. Which means you can mix and match them however you want! Sure, it might not be as dramatic or suited for those super special unique missions; but it’s a solid foundation, keeps things flexible. It’s not about just one character having a key skill, and if they get knocked out the rest of the crew are screwed -instead another member can easily pic up were the downed man left off and completing the assignment
I’m really looking forward to this project!!!
This could be good. The characters won’t be the reason it is bad. Hopefully the writing is there.
Looks good just wish they had more villians other than 3 super soldiers, wish they had real taskmaster, abomination, & add some new people to the team
@jacobochoa-fy6ve yea abomination could fit the no purpose theme of the story. he's just sitting in a cell last i remember?
@@svprcrm7189 they could introduce some new villians like the suicide squad and give them the same no purpose storyline because they are considered stupid villians
You might just be the most positive marvel fan I’ve ever seen and it’s so refreshing to hear someone so positive for a change
I knew little about this team, but I was looking forward to it because I almost always prefer the smaller, lesser-known superheroes to the big names. Now that I see it's basically Marvel's Suicide Squad, it sounds pretty solid!
This is so real. I don’t want everything to be comic accurate, I want to see them change stuff and do cool mcu stuff. I’ve been so hyped for this movie since the team was announced. Also the midnight sons team should do a similar thing, no strange or ghost rider or mutants, it should be Agatha, Wong, Dane Whitman, blade, Jack Russell and Elsa bloodstone to start
@@georgehunt7187 If I wanted things to be 100% accurate, I’d just read the comics! I love when new directions are taken bc it feels fresh and unique to this universe
Also I like that roster a lot, especially seeing Black Knight involved
@@WholeShebangYT exactly, we have the comics, the movies shouldn’t just be live action remakes
What about Moon Knight?
@@Wolffman109 oh yes, completely forgot but he has to be there
It's one thing to make it your own but it's another to just make the team unrecognizable. John and yelena should have been the only ones confirmed for the team, but the rest? I mean, John, he is supposed to be the captain America stand in. But he's put on a team with 3 shield wielders and 3 super soldiers? Even ghost like.......cool for the design, but you made her wear an all back suit with a white head just like they did with the other person taskmaster, who also is another woman wearing all black and a white head?
You had so many toys in the toy box to play with but they choose to more so make this a black widow sequel, over being a Thunderbolts movie?
7:16 completely agree with this! Ant Man and the Wasp is actually one of my most rewatched MCU films and my family loves to play it in the background all the time. And while my family doesn't seem to really have an opinion on Ghost, I really enjoyed her character. She's very similar to Bucky, but he is much more loved both because he's had 10 years of development and way more screentime. I hope more people appreciate her after this movie releases!
Thunderbolts has the chance to be the new Guardians of the Galaxy if the people behind it truly care about the characters
@@xxx_rotfd_xiii_xii3619 my thoughts exactly!!!
Do NOT tell comic fans that change is good, that is not something they want to hear
It's like chocolate to them and they're a dog 😭
Is the change done out of completely misunderstanding the character and just doing whatever you want because you can? I feel that's a little unfair. I wanted to see Batman and Superman team up, not pretentious edge-lord "fan" fiction. Were we asking too much? 😞
@@solivagen435 James Gunn killed my gerbil
Change can be good but in this case, they're throwing away one of best unique pitches for a hero team just to make another take on suicide Squad
Plus I don't get why comic fans can't dislike unfaithful adaptations, no one gets upset over book fans blasting unfaithful adaptations
@@liamlennon3316 I would say that the comic book version of the team is the actual "copy of the Suicide Squad"
They've been like that for years, no?
Zemo as the villain! I can see it
The Baron will return, he HAS to..
As someone who has not been keeping up with Marvel much at all, that leaked Thunderbolts trailer hooked me. This central shared struggle that every one of the characters is facing in their own ways brings me back to earlier MCU films, and it doesn’t just feel like a team pulling in a bunch of randoms. Can’t wait to see this, because ngl the premise is very promising.
you did the impossible.
i am hyped for a marvel project again :D
The characters are all top tier (besides task master.) my only issue is they’re so under powered
14:59 they better not f the sentry up
I kind of hope they show him normal at first and then make him go extremely whacky
This is the only Marvel movie I'm currently looking forward to
idk cap 4 looks cool
This cap 4 and fantastic 4 might be good
@@TheMCA99 It's fine if you like but for me it just doesn't fit to have Red Hulk go up against Captains America. And for the record I would be saying that if it was Steve instead of Sam. They're both great heroes but neither is at powerhouse level to take on a Hulk
I hope they'll do something cool with Taskmaster
Honestly my second most anticipated mcu movie rn the tone looks very great
Man... Tony Masters is my favorite character in the comics. I'm honestly really sad to not see him but I'll still see the movie cause i love Red Guardian and Ghost.
I have high hopes for this movie!
Biggest takeaway from this is how much undeserved disrespect was thrown towards my man John Walker.
Yeah, not quite sure why he’s on a team of antagonists last I checked he was actually a hero. I mean he’s a better hero than the weirdo who got super offended by him daring to ask him to be his wingman
@@creed8712 He's a damn near perfect soldier who has done all that was asked of him. Even after taking the super serum which they said would corrupt anyone other than Steve Rogers, he chose to save people over defending his own honour. Honestly at worst all John Walker has done is simply be put in the worst possible position of not being the Captain America that everyone loves and misses.
@@Diamondmite remember that the next time Sam talks about how hard it is to be captain America that the last guy got shat on
I like the lineup characteristically, but I kinda wish there were more meta humans rather than just a few super soldiers. I like ghost, and I wish in thunderbolts taskmaster actually copies peoples powers/attacks. Maybe not powers, but taskmaster with sentry’s abilities would be so sick.
When this movie was announced I was hoping it would be an adaption of Luke cages thunderbolts. How foolish I was back then. By know o was expecting for mutants to be a thing in the Mcu lol. By even though this team is made up of mostly super soldiers I’m excited to seeing their interactions they have the potential to not just be comedy gold but dramatic gold too
Adapting Luke’s Thunderbolts in a sequel would be a great way to naturally bring him back to the MCU tbh
The trailer looks sick
I don't know what it is about this film, but it feels like it will be a comfort MCU film. Not something really great like Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy, but I think it will be a ton of fun.
I just want Bucky to play a central role in this film. He's been sidelined in so many movies.
Mann… I am one of those people wishing for OG members like Songbird or Moonstone. Heck maybe even Atlas (didn’t hydra steal a vial of pym particles in Ant-Man 1? Couldn’t he be roped in with that) but your video made me understand what the MCU is doing. I’m still kinda bummed but I’ll let them cook
I wanted that version too! But I’m glad to see you can at least see their vision, I faith faith they’re cooking
4:32 LMAAOOO THIS CAUGHT ME SO OFF GUARD 😭
not in this case to be fair, but in general comic accuracy is better a good example being my goat. IRON FIST
They should always strive to be accurate to the comics when they can! We don’t talk about what Netflix did to Iron Fist in that first season…
@@WholeShebangYT preach 🗣
I’m definitely looking forward to seeing some of the returning cast, but I’m most interested in seeing how they depict Sentry. I’ve only read a couple of his comics but I think he’s very interesting when written well. If they could lean a bit into the “forgotten superhero” aspect I think it could be cool.
Redemption done well is amazing storytelling.
There's a theory out there about perhaps Red guardian did actually fight Captain America just not though one we know pre-endgame, and that the one that Red guardian actually fought was Steve after he'd taken back the stones.
You really make Ghost sound interesting
John Walker shouldn’t be vilified for his actions. He just did what soldiers are trained to do
Well, I’d just hope for it to be good. My concern is I hope they do characters like Sentry justice. I trust they will not repeat the same mistakes they’ve been doing for the past three years.
I'm all for this team, whether it's comic or not.
this is a video I've been waiting for thank you for validating my feelings on the thunderbolts ummm... may the odds ever be in your favor 😅
I can’t wait honesty
I just wish zemo was in the team 😢
I feel like there’s definitely an angle to fit him into this too, a shame he isn’t there but I pray he is in a sequel
@@WholeShebangYT Zemo's either Dead or in Wakanda's prison since the last time we saw him in Falcon and the Winter soldier.
Hes in the movie. I saw his name on the cast poster
@@toyanthaog5109 Damm.I guess he lives another day.Shame.
So you’re telling me Marvel is releasing a movie with Thunderbolt Ross as the villain, and then a movie with a team of villains called the Thunderbolts, and they’re unrelated?
Yes. In the comics, they had nothing to do with each other for like.. 20 years. OG Thunderbolts name was a Nazi reference(look up the Thunderbolts logo, its the SS Waffen logo) because Zemo was behind the team.
I think it will be detached from him atm, bc it’s being set up by Valentina, or it’ll be revealed in the post credits of Captain America.
Mind you, it IS called "Thunderbolts*" with an asterisk. 😀
@@00pium_kingvampstan I hate how people are saying Sentry is going to be the villain but it's obviously gonna be Valentina. How stupid does Marvel think we are?!?
@@wiinterflowers4277 I don't get how this is related to what I said at all lol
Why can't a movie be about them finding purpose without Helena stating flat out 'there's something wrong with me I have no purpose'
Yelena my b
Zemo was set up so well in the end of Falcon and winter soldier. It’s a shame they are not using him.
I love U.S Agent and thought he was the best part of FATWS, Wyatt Russel played him so well and I kinda found him the most likable. Excited to see some more.
Good vid 👍
I still think they are missing Red Hulk. They are called the Thunderbolts but they are missing their namesake, Thunderbolt Ross??? Makes no sense.
If you watched far enough into the video you would've learned that the Thunderbolts are NOT named after Ross
@@WholeShebangYT Nah they are you clearly havent read comics, and my point still stands Red Hulk should be in this movie
I feel like Frank Castle is missing in this roster
@@alexanderlori7651 if a sequel happens then i could def see him on that team. Especially since he’s set to debut back in DD born again
Exactly what they said, I hope to see him in the sequel but they gotta properly reintroduce him in DD first
So damn excited!
Actually both Ghost and Taskmaster are gender swapped in the MCU
That’s true! I just didn’t mention it bc Ghost (thankfully) didn’t get as much backlash as Taskmaster did
@WholeShebangYT She should've gotten more backlash. Race and gender swapping are wrong. Stop saying, "Thankfully."
@@TitanBolt99 it can make a character more interesting though. it’s not necessary if you don’t have a good story to go with it
@TitanBolt99 What’s so wrong about it.
6:26 forgot the Dora were in FAWS
How the hell is John Walker’s girl still with him lmao
The biggest plot hole in the entire MCU fr
Bro did nothing wrong
Why wouldn’t she still be with him? They’ve known each other since they were kids, why would she walk out on her best friend right after Lemar just died? Like she’s clearly well aware who the flag smashers were and that they were responsible for Lemar’s death. He killed a flag smasher in revenge for his friend, an understandable move by any human emotion logic.
@@WholeShebangYT is it really a plot hole though? I mean nobody abandoned Clint after he went on a 5 year murder spree
If they had only added zemo and abomination I would have loved the team
i dont know about bucky tho feels like character regression since thunderbolts is serving as a assassin team
i love ghost so much
4:34 Yelena: “and I will keep it that way” (I really hope they keep her comic book sexuality, it would be so meaningful)
They really need to keep that faithful. I don’t wanna see her end up with Bucky, they need to let her be ace
@@WholeShebangYT *THANK YOU!* Give her a girlfriend or someone else (not Kate Bishop!). Bucky should be with someone else. We got robbed of Romanoff and Barnes!
Yeah, to be honest I won't keep high expectations. Yes, most of the cast have been members of the Thunderbolts at some point, but they were used as the moral compases of their teams, and all the previous appearances of the team were less than spectacular on their depictions...
Also, it's kind of disrespectful to call The Thunderbolts "Marvel's Suicide Squad." The only time they were anything like that was during The Initiative and kiiiiind of during Kingpin's reign.
This team seems spiritually more in line with the Secret Avengers than anything else, and makes me wonder why they didn't chose that name and why they chose to disrespect The Thunderbolts.
This will either be guardians of the galaxy good or eternals bad, nothing in between…
The fact that I don't care about any of these characters would seem to indicate otherwise, on a personal level.
The only ones I care about are Bucky and Sentry. The rest.. nope.
I agree change is good. Seriously.
But at the same time I love Dark Reign so much that I can't help but think about how good a full-ass saga of the mcu dedicated to adapting it would be. Just replace Norman Osborn with Justin Hammer (which would be necessary for Sony reasons) and it would be an epic political thriller.
BUT I also realize the MCU is in absolutely in no state to adapt that series of stories, nor that version of the thunderbolts right now. So this is fine.
Dark Reign is really underrated and I’d love to get some kind of adaption of it
why do i have a feeling red guardian will die in this
I was already on board when ghost is in the team now I just want to know who will their opposition be in thunderbolts who’s the main antagonists apart from void
Could the leaked version be improved with any generative AI tools that are currently available?
Welp
You have definitely earned a sub from me
Maybe there will be more people in the beginning but they get killed by sentry
I just hope we get songbird eventually
Walker was never a villain. He was just as much a victim of the government’s mismanagement as the flag smashers though in distinctly different ways. The hate he gets has never made sense to me.
And starting this movie im assuming people are going to start calling him by his new superhero name white wolf
I really hope they add red hulk and possibly red hulk to the team since they’re already established
I LOVE YELENA, GHOST AND US AGENT!!! THEY ARE MY LIFE!!! I really want to see an interaction with Yelena and Kamala Kahn. They would have perfect chemistry.
I have various reasons why I do not like this film idea as one of them is that it doesn't have anyone from the comics or at least the ORIGINAL TEAM of Thunderbolts, we are dealing with different versions of certain characters from the comics...remember the Taskmaster issue and it doesn't feel right in a good way for me in my personal opinion. I feel like out of all of the Marvel films for 2025, this one is the one that I worry about the most because it feels like it is truly set up for failure regardless of the results of it all.
Heres the thing, majority of them are in mid movies, no one's gonna ask someone who was checked out of the multiverse saga to watch Blackwidow, Hawkeye tv show, Ant man and the wasp, and Falcon and the winter soldier to follow on their stories
I’d prefer if they just passed the Taskmaster mantel onto an actual character.
The problem with the team is a lack of diversity in powers, aesthetics, and personality. Not only do they look and feel boring because most of them are "good at punching / good at shooting in jackets / leather," but many of them don't have distinct personalities because they are either copies of other characters or just plain poorly written.
I honestly can’t wait. Love Yelena, Bucky, and US Agent, so I’m super hyped
Put Deadpool on the team in the sequel let it be Marvels suicide squad. Box Office 📈
@@jaydonsullivan5145 then it becomes a deadpool movie rather than a Thunderbolts movie. you'd have to make the other characters, at least a couple of them to be on par with Deadpool in order for that not to happen
@@MammothMorals I mean are the suicide squad movies not ss movies because Harley Quinn is in them? Are they Harley movies?
@@jaydonsullivan5145 exactly! great example of why it wouldn't work.
I'm still keeping my expectations low for this movie since the last few MCU movies were a two pack of @ss. With a few exceptions, obviously
I need to see a Red Guardian vs Steve Rogers series set in the 60s
Vulture should've been in this movie, not Morbius
Bro huh