Cutting Perfect Dadoes and Grooves using a Router Edge Guide | Woodworkers Guild of America
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Dimensioning has long been the curse of the woodworker, but with a Micro Fence Router Edge Guide and Plunge Base Combination accessory, you can make the job less painful. Find out how you can use this product to take the guesswork out of routing dadoes and grooves and other woodworking techniques that require you to be precise to the millimeter.
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Eliminate a few steps... zero the caliper after you set it to the width of the first pass dado cut, then when you use the caliper to measure the material thickness that will go into the dodo, the display of the caliper will show the difference - without using a calculator. Then adjust the router guide fence by this amount... plus some glue allowance.
+cjorg16 Great tip!
Thank you so much for making these videos. I can not tell you how much it means to me that you share your knowledge. You are a remarkable craftsman. Such nice,clean precise work. Robert
I'm used to larger, corded routers th-cam.com/users/postUgkxfQ5_mgwq6PcudJvAH25t-I4D-3cTPz4z so this was a different experience for me. Basically, this is an incredibly sweet machine, fits well in the hand, etc. It has slightly less power than I'm used to, but that's understandable. Maneuvering freehand takes some practice. These days, it's especially nice to be able to avoid power cords. This is above the level of a hobbyist but below a pro level.
I like the sign on your door. God bless.
Thank you for showing how to use the guide tool and math.
I'm glad that you used the metric setting on your caliper.
My buddy teases me all the time because I order plans in metric dimensions. And when I build a piece using his plans. They are in standard. But I find metric is easier and I get better results precision wise using metric.
So suck it steve!
I think he is using 'decimal inches' system and the not the 'metric' system.
Thanks for the clear simple advice and guidance. As usual.
Never heard of a micro fence till this video. Thanks a lot for a very clear explanation!! I just have to figure out all those turns made on the fence dial. I am a novice to routers. Just bought a Dewalt 1.25 HP router and practicing on it.
I was having a frustrating woodworking day. When u said u made each little piece of that inlay, I almost threw my tablet across the room. LOL
Perfect timing.
I'm about to do a project with Brass Square Stock Inlay and this will come in very handy.
I just wish my fence wasn't such a sloppy clunker. I'll have to rig another micrometer.
Thanks
Cool vid. Very technical and concise
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, ,
Thank you for answering me, Paul. Unfortunately, the guide you have on the router in this video is WAY OUT of my price range at this time. Not implying you were or are selling the guide, LOL. I like it & wouldn't mind having one for my router, so I guess I'll be waiting for my "rich uncle to get out of the poor house 😔".
So you are converting imperial inches into a decimal form of inches in order to make a calculation that would be impossible without the help of the decimal conversion. Once you have finished the decimal calculation you are converting back to imperial inches.
This may seem like a silly question but wouldn't this be incredibly easy just to it all in metric mm???
P.S Yes I know that the micro fence is imperial so you are stuck. But surely this example shows how making a move towards metric would make so much sense.
hitler used metric
True.
He also used water.
Michael Woodrum True. I think it was a joke.
Definitely a joke, and ends a conversation. But had to point out there logical fallacy. Sorry about all the comments. It said it didn't submit, so I hit it again.
Thanks for the video! For the sake of everyone's ears it would be great if you could turn down the volume for the clips where you're cutting!
Yes, it is available in metric, and has been for a number of years
I went to price that Micro Fence base for your small Bosch Colt and saw that it costs a cool $400. Beautiful piece of gear, though.
You got the dado the right size but is it where you want it ? When you increase the width by roughly 1/4 inch didn't you do it all on one side ? You moved the center line of the dado by about 1/8 inch? Don't know if that makes any difference in this case or not.
Clamp a straight edge on, More stable.. Mlcs sells plywood bits that fit new plywood dimensions..
"I too will something make and glory in the making"
Очень интересный упор!
+Юрий Примаченко чем?
Thanks for sharing. Great presentation as usual. I have a question
If cutting a slot with the grain is a groove and across the grain is a dado,...then can I call a slot in plywood a grado?
+Jeff Harmed Yes you can but be sure to properly trademark this
Jeff Harmed so if a slot with the grain is a groove and across the grain a dado, when would I use a plough plane? Would the slot/groove then be called a plough but change again to a rabbet when on the edge? Why not just call it a slot regardless of where the grain is?
I've used this technique for a while now, and had a question regarding router safety. When making the first dado, should one be pulling the router to them or pushing away from themselves?
I know for subsequent cuts, you should ALWAYS use conventional cutting and not climb cutting. But I'm not sure about that first one.
do those micro adjust fence come in a metric version?
this looks like a great fence. i just picked up a second hand bosch plunge 2hp router with no fence. i wonder if this one would fit
How difficult would it be to cut three smallish, parallel channels in a piece of stock under two inches in width using an edge guide like this?
What an imperial nightmare! I'm so glad Australia is metric
I grew up with both and use both. Imperial is no more difficult than metric. It's all based on what you're used to.
At 3:10, you measured the width of the dado at 0.49" (essentially 0.50"). You mentioned that you are using a 1/2" bit.
Doesn't the bit size correspond to the diameter of the shank?
If that is true, then how could the width of the dado also be 1/2" wide? I thought it would be wider than 1/2" due to the width of the bit.
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Both measurements are important. 1/2" can refer to the size of the shank, and/or the size the the dado/groove that will be produced by the bit, referred to as the cutting diameter. In this case, the bit was both 1/2" shank as well as a 1/2" cutting diameter.
Paul
When tightening the set screw on top how does it sit on the threads not to damage them?
what about if the dado is 40 inches away from the closest edge?
Exactly, in addition to thinking “You’re going to finish that $250 bookcase in about three weeks at that rate”, I was also wondering how he plans to handle the dados in the middle of the sides.
I just go at end of board and mark with a pencil height and width and set blade to 1/2 then to a 1/4 :) no need to buy a $50 dollar piece or more :)
That does answer a lot question about the thickness of wood and bit size.
I have a question here. Bosch has there own, micro edge guide. And your using a the
Micro Fence guide. Is it that much better ? The Micro Fence is About $100 on Amazon, Up to $400. So is it that much better, that is a lot of money. I know the M.F. " Micro Fence" will fit most routers.
But I have a ROUTER 1611 EVS with the older version micro guide 1052. They make a newer version 1054 and I have heard that it is very good. Bosch micro edge guide runs about $35 on line Home Depot. Would I be better to up grade or just keep what I have ?
And if you do suggest to upgrade , up grade to what ?
+William Wynn The choice here comes down to how much precision you require. If your current setup is working for your requirements, then I wouldn't encourage you to run out and upgrade. If you start to run into limitations, then perhaps it is time to explore. The MicroFence is great and delivers outstanding precision for even the most demanding applications. I don't have direct experience with either of the Bosch guides that you are describing, but in looking on line at the 1054 it looks to be a well made unit. I don't if you can expect the same level of accuracy as you would see with the MF, but I would expect good quality in general from Bosch based on my experience with other Bosch products that I use.
does the sign on the door read, ( I too will something make and glory in the making) ?
+Todd Laplante Yes, that is correct!
Nice trick. Why did you cut in the wrong direction on the first pass with the router? I know you supposed to always go in the direction of the spinning bit. Was there a reason for that?
Hello. For edge treatments, you always want to move the router such that the feed direction opposes the cutter direction. On the first pass of a dado the bit is cutting on all sides simultaneously, so feed direction doesn't matter.
Thanks
Paul-Woodworkers Guild of America
WoodWorkers Guild Of America - Thank you for replying. I fully understand cutter, feed direction concept. It’s the reason why I asked. Also, thanks for the explanation as to why you did that. I’ve just always know that you should always cut in the direction of the spinning bit/cutter on a router.
you just woke up my wife. audio leveling please...
Seriously. (Whispers) Let's cut some wood. (Audio level 9000) WIZZRRRRRRRRrrrRRRrrrrrr. RIP headphone users.
I understand these vids are old, but you think audio levelling when running tools would’ve been common sense.
If you are watching it while riding subway, you would have woke up the homeless.
Put earmuffs on her when you see him doing it.
Question. Who makes the guide that you were using? Where did you get the micro adjustable guide? Thank you, in advance for your response!
Plunge Base & Edge Guide Combination provided by Micro Fence. For more information, visit www.microfence.com. Paul
@@Wwgoa Thank you.
Doesnt seem to useful if you have say a 6ft long piece and you need to cut a dado across the middle?
Just one question: Who provided that router guide? I missed it the first 6000 times it was on the screen.
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Hi Andrew, Here is the information you requested: microfence.com/
What is the brand name of your router edge guide?
Please excuse my ignorance, but when you get your first dado, and you want to make more along that same long piece, do you just put the guide in the dado you just cut?
I've never worked with that guide, but if it fits, go for it. If the reach is sufficient you could simply adjust it and repeat the process to create an additional dado. In woodworking there are many ways of doing every task. Experimenting and looking for techniques that provide CONSISTENT quality results is key.
saludos
A few pieces of scrap and you can make a jig that will give you the right size every time with no measuring and no $200.00 fence.
Are there any such jigs for a piece this large? I guess though if you are making you're own jig you can make it as large as needed for your type of work. (The guy should have been a machinist)
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You can make it as big as you want and as complicated as you want. All you really need is two straight boards and four clamps. With these, you can cut the dado the right size first time, there is no measuring or calculations and you can do it in less than half the time that it is done here.
I was gonna make the same comment, but ya beat me to it. I use aluminum as a track system that works well with my clamps.
Why so difficult. Firstly it is in inches and secondly you don't need a caculator when you work in metric and metric calipers. Zero the callipers on the thickness of the board and then measure the dado and that will give you the difference. It is like looking for a ink pen that will work upside down. Use a pencil.
its not "how to do" but more like "look what i have".
Right! I was like "Wow, that's a cool fence . . ." (after Googling) . . . "Wow, I don't have $900 to spend on a router fence"
You can accomplish the same thing with $5 in bolts, nuts, and scrap metal. It wont be as user friendly but it'll do the job.
It's called "product placement" on television shows. An ad.
What router bit are you using?
+herbsu43 It’s a 3/8” up cut spiral.
Why not just use undersized plywood router bits-problem solved.
Because it’s a product that’s sponsoring the channel. You guys still don’t understand how this works?
Works great George but too much math for me.
Why is he using this primitive method, to slow , and what's with all the math? TH-cam is full of videos showing how to make an adjustable router dado jigs.
+mateollios 67 There are multiple approaches to nearly every woodworking operation, and the method that George suggests here is valid and actually not very time consuming once you get the hang of it. (ZD: 3609)
could save you a lot of time, metric system.
Really sweet video, thanks. Check out Woody Hyezmar’s book, the plans look really fun, google him if you want to see what I mean.
This device would be much easier to use if it was metric. Converting inches to a decimal seems like an unnecessary complication when MM is decimal
English world shows how it can be stupid over and over again. The International System is metric because it makes more sense.
I agree completely!
It depends how you were brought up, if you learnt imperial then you think in imperial and the metric is very confusing and no doubt nice versa. Although many understand both systems.
It's a great way for the tooling industry to cash in. I have to buy two sets of tools because everything I own is mix and matched.
$220 ?!?!?!? PASS!
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Show of hands of who wants to pay $219 for that micro fence he's using!!!
For the love o god people, use metric !
Just use MMs so much easier....
Can't you just rezero your caliper at one of the dimensions? That would give you the difference and no calculator..and no remembering. Or did I miss something. i.e., measure the groove..zero the caliper. You don't care what it is. That's your reference. Zero the caliper again AT THAT WIDTH. Now measure the target from that point and viola. And eliminates round off and accumulation errors. Never measure when you can transfer.
If I would have read further down I see that someone else came up with this too. But I didn't steal it. Honest.
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Thank you for your suggestion.
Paul
u suppose to cut clock wise man ...
WRONG
pourquoi guide "América"? soyez modeste ; l'heure n'est plus à l'amérique ,elle est plutôt à"LA GRANDE CHINE"
Only three countries in the world use Imperial: The USA, and two very poor countries: Myanmar (Burma), and Liberia. Yet the USA uses something like ... nine-millimeter bullet.
Oi!!!
Shouts most of England
That is the ugliest dado I think I've ever seen. Its either the bit, your technique or the jig.
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