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As Chuck Yeager stated in his book "It is not the plane, it is the pilot". Chuck waxed a Colonel who was flying a captured Mig 15 and Chuck in a Sabre. The Colonel was pissed and made him exchange planes. Chuck beat him again flying the Mig 15.
"It's not the gun, it's the rifleman." Just before the company of bolt action armed troops get mowed down by the entrenched machine gun. As the effectiveness of the weapon goes up, inversely the relevance of the user need for skill goes down.
@@TheBashar327 likewise, a monkey with a machine gun will be outmatched by a special forces marksman. So while your point is true, there is a lot of room for exception.
Love the smoke and fire effects when a wing gets blown off. I think the aircraft itself should have the same effect, it’s weird to see a wing fragment go full fireball while a blown up fuselage only has a few feet of thin smoke and a candle.
Very good fight. Historically the F-86 proved better due to maintenance and properly isolated systems let it take more damage and keep flying. Pneumatic failures were common in the MiG-15. no backup system and due to centralized bottle fed system a cockpit seal failure also resulted in flight control and break failure. After my Friend Ed died due to losing his breaks from a cockpit seal leak I replaced the Nitrogen bottles with a pump with bottle backup and added a valve to isolate the cockpit seal as well as make a new seal with better materials. Many MiGs were sitting ducks due to this type of failure and easy pickings. This was probably the biggest factor that put the F-86 over the MiG-15 otherwise they were fairly even. The other big factor was poor training. The Russian pilots did much better than the poorly trained North Korean pilots. This was manly due to the un-commanded snap roll tendency in a descending right hand turn. The Russian pilots were able to manage this problem better and exploit it to achieving an advantage.
News flash , the Mig 15 was better than the F86 Sabre in climb rate , rate of turn and ceiling level and could fight on its terms . The Mig 15 was superior to the F86A and E model , sorry facts are the facts. It wasn't until the F86F that the Sabre was on equal footing.
Full on, "fangs out". USAF General Robin Olds used the term frequently. It is why Growling's logo is so appropriate. "I see what I want and go for it." Viper : "I like that in a fighter pilot." Growling : 😃
That last Sabre-pilot is going to get himself a really nice medal for what he managed to do there. Good thing he was able to eject! Edit: If he doesn't get captured, that is.
Love the early cold war jets, it would be cool if some one made modules for early bristish amd french jets too. Hunters and Ouragans would he cool to have
@@Xiphactinus On the other hand, at least South Korea isn't under the thumb of a murderous Communist regime and as a result is one of the most prosperous countries in the world, and not subject to repeated famines like the North. So there's that. And cue the excuses from Marxists like you as to why North Korea is a poverty stricken hell hole while the South is free and rich.
@@loumencken9644 not defending the DPRK, just saying that perhaps Korea was the first realisation that more bombs don't always win wars, as also shown in Vietnam. Perhaps it was the first truly modern campaign in that winning hearts and minds was potentially more important than winning by means of bombs dropped. On famines, I have heard that a decent level of DPRK deaths aren't from malnutrition, but NCDs like cancer, indicating some level of food security (whether or not the food in question is carcinogenic is another debate all together). If we're really going down the communism is when no food road, look at where I live, the UK. Empty shelves, and a shortage of HGV drivers to drive petrol to the petrol stations (both linked to the tory-led brexit) show shortages aren't necessarily exclusive to one economic model over another.
@@loumencken9644 in that time South Korea was a murderous anticommunist regime that destroyed any resistance against South Koreans who served Japan under occupation. So South Korean regime were not so different from nazis. And nowadays it is such a prosperous country even it's own citizens call it "hell" and dream to leave it.
MiG-15 is mid fuselage mounted, whereas F-86 is a low wing arrangement, therefore laminar flow characteristics are different at similar AOA. The fences simply delay wing stall that was not as pronounced in the Sabre.
@@debbiestimac5175 AFAIK the installation of slats in the initial production version of the F-86's (and the F-40 as a retrofit) was also partly to avoid the wing stall effect?
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Yes, this was indeed to address the same issue, though a much more elegant design than snow plow sized wing fences, don't you agree?
GS as a "Honcho" Early on, the only slight advantage the F-86s had was the movable tail with allow them to higher speed dives. It wasn't until the D version that the F-86 could match the MiG-15 in speed, altitude and climb rate.
@@Cybetrexs but they were combat capable. I read about how early in the Korean War they straffed some South Korean runways, and Dean Hess talks about fighting them in his book Battle Hymn.
C'mon guys! F86s, just flying around aimlessly, each one by itself, waiting to be shot down by (expertly flown, aggressive) Mig15s... (Science fiction is good, but you have gotten us used to some challenging fights and/or some good humor!)
The MiG 15 and the F86 are so closely matched due to the fact that they were both derived from the wartime Messerschmitt P1101 program which was subsequently continued by both the Americans and the Russians after WW2.
Did they design the program to be realistic? As in the Mig 15 needing a crazy long runway for take off? Also the 15 not liking slow speeds for landing. The wings will start dipping at slow landing speeds
hello I watch many if your vids. I want to get involved but have so much anxiety about get started. question. do u use a keyboard or joystick and throttles. and also if I wanted to get started theres so much to learn. what a great resource.
Which model of the F-86 was that? The later models were much better opponents to the Mig than the early ones. Especially the F-86E or F models. At least that's what I remember off the top of my head anyway. I'll have to look into that again.
Wish I could see more inside this cockpit, I was trying to read the tag on the right of the instruments, I only could make out the top and the bottom. Something about launch into the air, and last word was included. I can read russian, but hard to see from video, I have no idea what the acronyms mean.
Could we have a combat between F86 Sabre and a Folland Gnat. Folland Gnats were very famously known as Sabre Slayers during the 1965 conflict between India and Pakistan.
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What would it take for you to consider flying against me in a war thunder Sim fight? I did just get dcs but I need a dedicated stick for my pc, so im still extremely limited in that respect for dcs... but it's be willing to help fund your entry to war thunder and get you at least to the middle of the tech tree while I work on getting my dcs upto snuff.. would you consider it?
GS: “I’ve joined the North Korean Air Force”
NSA: *remote access connected*
lol
Remember when they put a man on Saturn and back to Earth in 24 hours? That was awesome.
@@groundpounder0541 Or the 2 guys on the Sun! they went at night so they would not get burned.
I know somepony who was stuck on the moon for a 1000 years...
The NSA would begin playing DCS too I reckon!
The Mig-15 is so good the North Korean Air force still uses them
They are just poor lmao
@@krain.8245 The joke must be around here somewhere.
@@gimmeabreak4435 I haven’t found it, have you?
@@krain.8245 actually they have retired them
Now they use mig 21s and mig 29s which are non- functional
As Chuck Yeager stated in his book "It is not the plane, it is the pilot". Chuck waxed a Colonel who was flying a captured Mig 15 and Chuck in a Sabre. The Colonel was pissed and made him exchange planes. Chuck beat him again flying the Mig 15.
Yeah I read that book too he also brought the MiG faster than any of the Soviets thought it could go
"It's not the gun, it's the rifleman." Just before the company of bolt action armed troops get mowed down by the entrenched machine gun. As the effectiveness of the weapon goes up, inversely the relevance of the user need for skill goes down.
@@TheBashar327 likewise, a monkey with a machine gun will be outmatched by a special forces marksman. So while your point is true, there is a lot of room for exception.
@@lord_kerman did he break the sound barrier on mig-15?😂
pretty sure it was maverick who said that. also rooster reminded him that statement when they forced to do a dogfight with a felon using a tomcat.
jk
Meanwhile in war thunder: “let’s make these Korean War jets without missiles face SuperSonics with missiles”
play your advantage. U can out manuever any missile and any supersonic
@@ImTrashOnPurpose not really WT doesn’t like realism
@@Hydra_6544 you can tho
I remember this quote
"Hey guys , today we are flying in the MiG-15 NATO code *rather not say* "
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL'ed when GS said "look he's going into the vertical" while referring to a black speck in an almost 99% black screen.
I have to clean my monitor every time I watch you’re videos as I regularly find myself staring at specs of dust thinking it’s the bandit.
Day always gets better when you upload
Love the smoke and fire effects when a wing gets blown off.
I think the aircraft itself should have the same effect, it’s weird to see a wing fragment go full fireball while a blown up fuselage only has a few feet of thin smoke and a candle.
War thunder has a decent bit of Korean era aircraft but it’s gonna take a lot of time for u to get there but it’s war thunder lol
kudos to that last Sabre pilot.
Very good fight. Historically the F-86 proved better due to maintenance and properly isolated systems let it take more damage and keep flying. Pneumatic failures were common in the MiG-15. no backup system and due to centralized bottle fed system a cockpit seal failure also resulted in flight control and break failure. After my Friend Ed died due to losing his breaks from a cockpit seal leak I replaced the Nitrogen bottles with a pump with bottle backup and added a valve to isolate the cockpit seal as well as make a new seal with better materials. Many MiGs were sitting ducks due to this type of failure and easy pickings. This was probably the biggest factor that put the F-86 over the MiG-15 otherwise they were fairly even. The other big factor was poor training. The Russian pilots did much better than the poorly trained North Korean pilots. This was manly due to the un-commanded snap roll tendency in a descending right hand turn. The Russian pilots were able to manage this problem better and exploit it to achieving an advantage.
Wait, you worked on Mig-15s???
the F 86 was not better NATO shill
At best the F 86 was even with the mig 15.
@@johndave117 in all fairness current events back up the statement that soviet maintenance was subpar at best or just completely forgone
News flash , the Mig 15 was better than the F86 Sabre in climb rate , rate of turn and ceiling level and could fight on its terms . The Mig 15 was superior to the F86A and E model , sorry facts are the facts. It wasn't until the F86F that the Sabre was on equal footing.
@@johndave117 not exactly John Dave the Mig was better than the F86A and E model , but the F86F was slightly better than the Mig 15.
The best of the video: "hold this.....!" That was fun dude great vid.....!
Now use the 37mm to intercept B-29's!
Gives me the vibes from that old dogfight show on the History channel back when it was good
GS went full "Mine Mine Mine Mine"
Full on, "fangs out". USAF General Robin Olds used the term frequently. It is why Growling's logo is so appropriate. "I see what I want and go for it." Viper : "I like that in a fighter pilot." Growling : 😃
What a vid! Love these Korean war uploads, the period is just in general so overlooked!
The Mig has a noticeable armament advantage. The Sabre needs a solid half second of gun time to do reliable damage. Mig can kill with a few rounds.
"Hold this." Click - BOOM! Lol. Thanks for the great vid.
Not only did the Mig-15s have a height and energy advantage, but they also had a numbers advantage too.
That last Sabre-pilot is going to get himself a really nice medal for what he managed to do there. Good thing he was able to eject!
Edit: If he doesn't get captured, that is.
Some superb flying there GS! 👌
Love these planes as much as WW2.
I may have to revisit these fighters. Jet aircraft … except without the BVR and weapons complexity. Looks fun.
Love the early cold war jets, it would be cool if some one made modules for early bristish amd french jets too. Hunters and Ouragans would he cool to have
NAILD IT once again my friend. Thanks for awsome contents.
thanks buddy much love, hope you're doing well boss.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Thanks brother i am. Same to you
More bomb tonnage was dropped on North Korea during the 3 years the war was hot than was dropped in the entire WWII Pacific campaign.
Didn't work out well for the US then eh? All that, and, for the first time, to come away without a win.
@@Xiphactinus On the other hand, at least South Korea isn't under the thumb of a murderous Communist regime and as a result is one of the most prosperous countries in the world, and not subject to repeated famines like the North. So there's that. And cue the excuses from Marxists like you as to why North Korea is a poverty stricken hell hole while the South is free and rich.
@@loumencken9644 Lmao pissy fit just to call him a marxist.
@@loumencken9644 not defending the DPRK, just saying that perhaps Korea was the first realisation that more bombs don't always win wars, as also shown in Vietnam. Perhaps it was the first truly modern campaign in that winning hearts and minds was potentially more important than winning by means of bombs dropped. On famines, I have heard that a decent level of DPRK deaths aren't from malnutrition, but NCDs like cancer, indicating some level of food security (whether or not the food in question is carcinogenic is another debate all together).
If we're really going down the communism is when no food road, look at where I live, the UK. Empty shelves, and a shortage of HGV drivers to drive petrol to the petrol stations (both linked to the tory-led brexit) show shortages aren't necessarily exclusive to one economic model over another.
@@loumencken9644 in that time South Korea was a murderous anticommunist regime that destroyed any resistance against South Koreans who served Japan under occupation. So South Korean regime were not so different from nazis. And nowadays it is such a prosperous country even it's own citizens call it "hell" and dream to leave it.
0:31 "Negative, Ghostrider, the pattern is full."
This looks so real. Very impressed.
That was fun to watch. Always great content.
Lovely day for a dogfight!
Very entertaining video GS!!! LOVE that freakin' cannon!!!
I Miss the good old days in warthunder
Fuckin eh
yeah, sabres vs migs was the shit
@@tomsonlarrson3318 now it's mig15 vs draken 🥶🥶
Is this guy trained to flight a Mig?
Lets listen to him...
"I found a bounch of my comrads..."
Yes its weeell trained hahaha
Often wondered why the F 86 Sabre was able to have “clean” wings while the MiG 15’s wings needed “fences” to control vortices.
The f sabres too had small fencess , migs wings were handmade
MiG-15 is mid fuselage mounted, whereas F-86 is a low wing arrangement, therefore laminar flow characteristics are different at similar AOA. The fences simply delay wing stall that was not as pronounced in the Sabre.
@@debbiestimac5175 AFAIK the installation of slats in the initial production version of the F-86's (and the F-40 as a retrofit) was also partly to avoid the wing stall effect?
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 Yes, this was indeed to address the same issue, though a much more elegant design than snow plow sized wing fences, don't you agree?
@@debbiestimac5175 hahaha 😂😂😂😂
*Amazing video, Well done!!!*
You should invite that last Sabre pilot for a match.
GS: "That was a good fight by the F86 Saber"
Apparently, not good enough. 😆
That one shot one kill was nice I enjoy fights over mig alley great video.
sound of cannon is without equal!! great action also! Thanks!
Growling Sidewinder®: "Just call me . . . *_Honcho_* . . ."
Proper air to air duelling. Nothing fancy. Guns and jets. The mig 15bis is my favourite.
GS as a "Honcho" Early on, the only slight advantage the F-86s had was the movable tail with allow them to higher speed dives. It wasn't until the D version that the F-86 could match the MiG-15 in speed, altitude and climb rate.
Were all those Migs players?! That's epic!
Hey Sidewinder, I have an idea for a video. You could do a ground target missian with the Mig 15 or F 4:)
Next time i would like to see how you do piloting an early Korean War battle, P-51D VS Yak 9U.
No combat-capable yaks in DCS.
@@Cybetrexs but they were combat capable. I read about how early in the Korean War they straffed some South Korean runways, and Dean Hess talks about fighting them in his book Battle Hymn.
@@Highice007 no, I mean in DCS, hence why i said “in dcs”. The only Yak module in DCS is a trainer with no munitions. Hard to dogfight with no guns.
@@Cybetrexs Ah ok good point.
I'm new to this game. Do the "blackout" scenes such as from 12:53 to 13:00 simulate loss of consciousness?
Yes due to G force
That battlefield 1942 music gets me every time 😆
People don’t think cannons be like they are, but they do.
You should find that f86 pilot and invite him on to the channel.
C'mon guys! F86s, just flying around aimlessly, each one by itself, waiting to be shot down by (expertly flown, aggressive) Mig15s...
(Science fiction is good, but you have gotten us used to some challenging fights and/or some good humor!)
Damn, you really were dogged in your pursuit of that last kill.
Would love to see a ca-27 model saber in game!
you betcha, bigger engine and armed with the 4x20mm cannon
@@enzannometsuke8812 armed with 2 Aden 30mm cannon.....
An F86 with the mig15's canon on it would have been an epic gen1 fighter.
Next GS Video: Joining the North Korean AirForce IRL
Would love to see the ME 262 and maybe the Ho 229 against some Mig 15s, F 86s, or F9Fs.
Man, that 37 mils dont give a second chance!
Gotta love that Rolls Royce engine....the one in the MIG! RR sold Spey engines to China in the 1970s and even tried to sell them Harriers!
I love your comments, sitting by myself and laughing!!
I would like to see more of those 37mm cannons at work.
Great Video 😎👍👍
Hey brother. How about an iron eagle rematch. F16 vs Kfir. Of course you gotta drive the Kfir against the F16.
Love the videos!
That said, a what if video vs B17, B29, P51 would be cool.
Original Battle field theme song.. nice choice.
Here's your hot peace for the TH-cam algorithm
Beautiful close-in knife kills.
Give us moar killcam!
I've got no cannon sound effects. Surely those big guns make an audible bang in the cockpit?
The MiG 15 and the F86 are so closely matched due to the fact that they were both derived from the wartime Messerschmitt P1101 program which was subsequently continued by both the Americans and the Russians after WW2.
I'd argue the MiG-15 borrows more from the Ta. 183.
Did they design the program to be realistic? As in the Mig 15 needing a crazy long runway for take off? Also the 15 not liking slow speeds for landing. The wings will start dipping at slow landing speeds
Real artistry!
Does DCS has the Australian F86 with 20mm canons and the Avon engine?
The Aussie Sabre would be a better match for a MiG-17.
No
They should have the Australian version to compare
hello I watch many if your vids. I want to get involved but have so much anxiety about get started. question. do u use a keyboard or joystick and throttles. and also if I wanted to get started theres so much to learn. what a great resource.
Like to see some F8 Crusader action.
Ever want to recreate the mig, sea fury battle?
finally some dogfights in the MIG 15
Would be great to see Saab Tunnan, Gloster Meteor F.8, F9F Panther and other contemporaries v MiG-15
And the Hawker Sea Fury?
5:57 *OUR KILL*
Lold
@@GrowlingSidewinder Total Tally: One kill, two shared, one probable. ;)
Which model of the F-86 was that? The later models were much better opponents to the Mig than the early ones. Especially the F-86E or F models. At least that's what I remember off the top of my head anyway. I'll have to look into that again.
A good old fashioned furball at 15,000 feet!
I have this Jet in war thunder, sadly I have to go against Harriers and A4s because game balance isn't a thing in War thunder
lol ya asking this thing to dogfight harriers is pretty dumb tbh.
Working the good old Nudelmann-Richter 37 and 23
Question. Have you put the F-105D, in the air yet?
Ah, ur a Russian pilot eh Growling Song Lee? Riiiight 😆 Make sure to salute Kim when you take off!
What's that "winking" indicator on the left side of the cockpit?
Wish I could see more inside this cockpit, I was trying to read the tag on the right of the instruments, I only could make out the top and the bottom.
Something about launch into the air, and last word was included. I can read russian, but hard to see from video, I have no idea what the acronyms mean.
So is DCS the modern version of the Microsoft CFS?
Surprised at the ranges these could fly
I love the mig15 haha. Wee need those cannons on the mossie
Really wanted to get into this game and flight simulators but can't afford to set up little… I am really curious what you used to play
can also thrmig-15bis were armed with 2-23mm cannos and also one 37-mm cannon.
Can you do the English electric lighting!!!!!
What about the F9F panther vs the mig15bis?
F9F are not available in that sim
is there also mission to destroying b 29 or p 80?
Dog fights in the Korean war were very similar to "jousting" on horses.
What version of the battlefield theme is being used at 2:10?
A version that was only made for GS. You wont find it anywhere.
Can you put saab j29 tunnan against mig 15? 🙂
Could we have a combat between F86 Sabre and a Folland Gnat. Folland Gnats were very famously known as Sabre Slayers during the 1965 conflict between India and Pakistan.
Hindus will enter jahannam on the day of judgement
Eh, I hate learning and having fun. I fox 2 you sir, fox 2 YOU.
Here comes *Honcho* !
front gear on those mig-15s looks like it's gonna fall off during take off..