As a "headphone mixer" I have the greatest appreciation for what you have done here. I loved the monitor mix. Hands down. I suspect headphone mixing leads to a lot of detail finessing that adds up to a sterile mix. Thanks for doing this.
I have never mixed just using headphones. I track myself with headphones, mix down using monitors and double check through computer monitors, earbuds and Bluetooth speakers. That way I know what it's going to sound like over a range of listening devices.
Thank you so much for putting your brilliant ideas in place to make things to understand so easily. That idea of mixing through headphone and monitors gave a crystal idea of the differences you hear. And that helped me BIG TIME to choose these monitors as my very first studio monitos. I can't thank you enough for this. God bless you.
A very informative and instructional video. I enjoy all of your videos because you explain everything simply and thoroughly. Don't be concerned about broadening your topics because I think there are others like myself that want to learn all we can to improve our home projects. Thank you.
Great presentation, and content. Thank you. I've been playing around with some PEQ settings streaming music, and I've managed to eliminate a bass port him at around 550Hz, plus my room has a really hard 100Hz reinforcement that I'm stuck with, so dialled that back also, but found that these things can really punch hard with a 2-3dB lift at 50Hz with a Q of 3-4. I think they're brilliant as a pair of affordable desktop music speakers.
The difference between them is very minimal but the rokits were always known for more their deep response of bass and I think it's still pretty much better than yams.
Interesting video indeed. As a 100% headphone producer and listener, I could clearly hear the difference between your headphone mix vs monitor mix. The monitor mix you did sounded way better. Question though, are you using something like Sonarworks to correct the frequency response (both for your monitors and your headphones)? If not, would be interesting to see the difference between a headphone and monitor mix there.
Thanks dude! And yeah I am actually, I should have mentioned that during the vid. The CB-1s have a sonarworks preset, although I still felt the peaks in the upper midrange were pretty pronounced.
I agree, monitors sound fuller. The headphones sound different, not bad, they still sound good to me. Maybe more detail on the phones but I prefer a lot of bass in my mixes. It's more pleasant. High pitches and treble, little kids 😆, make me cringe. I love my daughter but her voice and high pitch squeals just hurt my ears.
Every single time there is a discussion on the KRK G4's the same comments appear about bloated bass from people who have never used these speakers. Even some professional reviewers are making the same claims. The only other decent review I've seen is from audio science review. As your measurements show, this is simply not a bass boosted monitor! (But can be, if desired, given the EQ control). Great review!
I have some Beyer Dynamics 900 pro and just got the KRK g4 5 and can't wait to hear the difference. I know headphones are good for certain things but I keep hearing that monitors are where the magic happens. Appreciate the video on this!
@@AudioHaze I spent a couple of years and a lot of money trying to like headphones and make them work. I owned some Focal Clears, a pair of Oppo PM1s and various other headphones, and I just gave up; speakers produce a far more natural and expansive soundstage for me, headphones just sound so closed in and un-natural to my ears.
@@The80shilling Exactly and it's so exhausting to mix on headphones and you get fatigued much faster compared to speakers. Btw can i ask the op where did you listen to both mixes am i dumb for not seeing any link or anything? İts not even in the video so where are those mixes?
Great video. I am about to get a pair of KRK, and this is what i was looking for. I also have a small room and there is not so many place for fancy studio setup. I listened it on iphone but still was able to hear a huge difference. Thanks for info!
I've owned all the entry level monitors and out of all of them my mixes translated the best almost instantly from the KRKS. Their mixes TRANSLATE. But I do like switching it up with some yammahas because sometimes all that detail is just "too much information" when I just want to volume check a vocal with a snare. If you listen to DSAUDIO's comparison on here vs Genelecs and Focals (world class brands) the difference is almost non-existent. And the classics are great too.
I've seen Dave Pensando using old school KRK 2 way near fields in one of his Pensado's place videos. Yeah they are somewhat popular with people who are amateurs or at the beginning of their sound journey, but that's not because the speakers themselves are lacking.
I prefer the monitor mix, listened on the iPhone 13 promax xD (actually love its speakers) Different lower notes and bass are easily distinguished from each other and feels punchier. The guitar volume is very different on the mixes and I can’t tell exactly what’s better, feels like each has its own “vision”
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuudddddeeeeee - at least plug in your AirPods. phones don't go below 400hz. that isn't the bass you're hearing - you're hearing overtones
great topic, i know my room is a bad cube and ive had top end prism neumann gear, and after years with ears :) i love my sony mdr7506 and not too loud but critical listening learning to identify problems in the music and the time it takes to learn compression and better mixing all add up, its annoying you can spend money on high end gear then your mate listens back on a phone speaker lol and the kick drum becomes a tiny little click lol, hey ho, at least it makes the music more important not the mix
Hi. Thank you for the video,. However, How can you do a speaker review in a completely untreated room and based on your mix output? I dont get it... sorry..
The bass boosted thing comes probably from the ”classic” KRK monitors and also from popularity in bassy genres producers studios. The new generation seem to be much better monitors. BTW I never understood why someone would want a bass boosted monitor in a bass heavy genre beacuse you would tend to undercook the bass that way. (Thats not a probable danger though, it will beovercooked in any case!)
"BTW I never understood why someone would want a bass boosted monitor in a bass heavy genre because you would tend to undercook the bass that way." I have to imagine that it mostly comes from newer music producers not thoroughly understanding the difference between recreational speakers that are nice to listen to and balanced critical listening devices. I've heard people describe balanced, high end studio monitors as "flat" and "lifeless"... I'm like yeah, that's kind of the point.
I never thought the KRKs were boomy, bass focused. I've always thought they are mid-focused, flat and boxy. See Edward Smith's comparison against the Yamaha HS-5s, a box with a much clearer, much more detailed sound across the board.
Hi, I have a bit of a long winded question for you, apologies in advance. I've recently bought a Bugera 6262 212 combo amp, and the amp says it should be set to 16 ohms for internal speakers. I'm actually going to bypass the speakers and plug into an axetrack isolation cab I managed to get, it's a speaker and an SM57 in a sealed box. It uses the input from where the amp would usually go to a cab, so the amp gets full use, it just goes to the iso speaker instead of the combo speaker. The SM57 picks it up, there's an XLR out which I'm planning to connect to a Behringer UMC22. That plugs into a computer and has headphones out, but to be honest I'm not that bothered about recording, I'm basically using the whole setup as an analog attenuator with air and a mic rather than limiting the signal electronically. I'd like to get the output from the UMC22 to go to the speakers on the amp that I'm using instead of through PC or headphones, I asked on Amazon and someone said that the signal would need a power amp otherwise it would be too weak for the speakers. So my chain is: Guitar > amp section of combo > iso box with sm57 > xlr > Behringer UMC22 > ...... Can I output from the UMC22 into something , amplify without colouring the sound (at least not too much), then send to the speakers in my 6262 cab? Are you aware of a product like this? I'd rather use my amp speakers than buying more. I don't know, I'm very confused lol. Sorry it's such a long question and thanks for your time.
Hey! Okay so I think I understand, so you'd be using the outputs of the UMC22 to go back into your amp rather than just to studio monitors? Those are stereo outs so how would you route it? Just send one of the stereo outs into the cab for a mono signal? You'll have to go through some sort of DAW to make this happen, the interface won't do direct routing without first converting it into a digital signal, going through your computer, and then spitting it back out as an analog one. I'm not sure if these will need a boost after leaving the UMC22, you could try to adjust the output in the DAW before it goes back out to the amp, and if it doesn't meet your expectation you could try a cloudlifter to clean transparent gain between the UMC22 and combo amp speaker. If you want to try a more janky solution, you could try compressor guitar pedal if you have one lying around. Hope this helps a bit!
I'm confused since when are monitor mixes inferior to headphone mixes and how are headphone mixes reliant on monitors? How could those mixes be comparable...they are 2 entirely different processes
I purchased a brand new KRK Rokit 7 G4, but it quickly disappointed me. Both speakers have loud hissing noises, which is highly unpleasant when there is no music playing. We attempted to repair them but discovered that the issue was with the speakers themselves. /used balanced cable, tried other devices, none of which worked/ I've seen that many folks experience the same issues as I have. Even without audio input, the hissing noise remains, therefore I would not suggest it to anybody. At this pricing range, this is a huge letdown!
what would be the best option ? i see a 130 difference on amazon with 3 yr warranty on the classic 5s is 295$ and on zzounds the rokit 5 g4s are 426$ w 3 years so a 130 difference i do want the flat response for better mixing but can tweak it with the screen and put flat in general these have been my dream monitors would love the input from anyone thanks
You can mix on any monitors with some decent treatment and good reference tracks. You just have to know what their shortcomings are and have other systems to check on.
I’ve been using the 8s for years. Frequency response is remarkably flat and predictable. If anything they’re a little too much in the high end after like 14k in my room
Your mix reactions are on point, I thought the same thing especially about the guitar solo... it just melted away into nothing on the headphone mix. KRK mix was more balanced and all the mid and high end was present. Edit: Also, as a current owner of the Rokit 8 G4s and had previous generations of the KRKs, I think at least some of the bass monster meme of the KRKs come from G2/G3. The G4s changed a lot about the Rokits (for the better).
Interesting how the headphone mix ended up sounding both muddy and dry in comparison to the monitor mix. Have noticed that recording/mixing through headphones have a higher potential for ear fatigue too, one of the biggest benefits to separate speakers aswell.
Great review. You're right there is no way to review speakers without being subjective. I see a lot of blogs and comments saying these monitors are bass boosted or not good overall but you cant really take peoples opinion seriously. Thanks!
The difference between them is very minimal but the rokits were always known for more their deep response of bass and I think it's still pretty much better than yams.
I'm happy to hear that you preferred the monitor over the headphone mix. Me too. I just got a set of krks 5 g4's today and I'm still waiting to plug in so I'm just watching videos. I watched a few TH-camrs review them and say that they were bass heavy but still wanted to keep them over the other monitors because they just sound good. I've had the yamaha hs5 and they sound expansive and clear but lacked bass. I always found myself trying to change the the yamaha hs5 settings because they made my ears tired after long sessions. Overall, the yamaha's became too busy and kinda harsh for daily use.
TBH, I prefer the Adam Audio T and A series over KRK's any products for one single fact, that was not mentioned in this video: the high-end harshness. One of my main conserns when mixing (and this is especially true for home studios as well) is not in the low end, bc unless you're having a room treated well in the low end, the response curve of the speaker will be minor in comparison with the response of your room. You'll be better off checking it with SPAN. But adjusting a De-Esser, dialing in saturation, judging the volume of a hi-hat, boosting on a Pultec-style EQ, that matters more to me than having an accurate low-end response. As I said, there's countless ways to dial those in without even hearing it as it is, which is usually the case with home studios.
Nice insight here! So you're saying the Adam T handles high end response better in home studio environments? I personally haven't found the high end to be overly harsh, but haven't tried any other monitors in my room to be fair
@@AudioHaze I've used a lot of entry level monitors, including the G4, HS8, T7V, IN8 and for my ears, the G4 has the worst high-end accuracy from all. I'm not talking about the overall response, that's reasonably flat on paper, but you can't really tell the difference between a +1,5db or a +3db of gain reduction on a de-esser, or a can't tell the accurate saturation overtones because it's tweeter is overly distorted on its own. Don't get me wrong, they're nice to listen to music on, impresses clients a lot (especially with the yellow kevlar look) but I never achieved any transparent high-end on my mixes anything close to what I was capable of with the Adams.
@@skk6811 Los Monitores Adams son excelentes eso nadie lo puede negar yo tambien estoy interesados en comprar esos monitores debido a que son muy claros en su respuesta de frecuencias , Sin embargo eh pasado por muchos videos escuchando los krk rokit G4 y su respuesta de frecuencia es clara, plana y precisa, sin casi nada de realces en las frecuencias, similar a la que se podria escuchar en un monitor Adam , ahora si tu no lo escuchas que suenan muy bien los monitores krk g4 es por que ya has acostumbrado a tus oidos a los Monitores Adams eso hay que tomar en cuenta .
I demoed the KRKs and Adam Audio monitors in my studio for two weeks and settled on the KRKs. Both are great choices, but my mixes on the KRKs translated perfectly whether I was listening in the car or on AirPods or in another studio. I love the high end of the KRKs and the tight, punchy low end. To my ears, the KRKs are an unbeatable value.
Don't pay attention to the numbers, you are loved and appreciated! Love it and my trust meter overmodulates when you are on my screen 😊 Big thumbs up Ricky 👍👍👍
Thank you for the review. Coincidentally at the moment I'm choosing between these and Adam T5Vs. Leaning towards KRKs because from what I can hear of comparison recordings (it's silly I know but at least something), KRKs are less bright and have a little bit more low end which for prosumer like me might be a sweet spot in terms of balance between natural sound and fatiguing from long listening sessions. I have a somewhat nerdy question though. Do these Rokit 5s have certain maximum input level, in Vrms/dBU, like we see on headphone amplifiers? The manual only says that default 0.0 dB setting suited for +4dBU and in case of -10dBV one might want to dial +11dB of volume on the monitor. However I would like to know the actual limits of its amp in order to avoid clipping the signal and tune up my DAC properly. Thanks!
Glad I could help! But unfortunately I do not have an answer to that, I think thats beyond my scope in terms of what I know about the monitors and I don't want to give an educated guess and be totally wrong :/
Love how you explained the experienced detail between headphones and monitors. Also like how you transitioned and sectioned off each part of the Intrumental you produced. Sub and like here 👍
2 year old video,,,, don't wanna be dramatic but in music terms this is life changing,,,,, wow amazing content thank you, and i have just ordered my krk from sweetwater. thank you
About the app using the phone microphone, I saw a video where they used rca to jack 3.5 so the phone took it directly i guess. It is this video in case it is of help for anybody. th-cam.com/video/IpU0Gv576x4/w-d-xo.html
I agree they are great references for mixing validation for general listening. But they are not that good for mixing/mastering for any initial mix, too much bass in the frequency response curve. By experience, if your mix sounds good on the KRK Rokit 5 G4 and on the Yamaha hs5, there is a 99% chance it will pass the car stereo test. With the KRK Rokit 5 G4 alone, you are exposed to overcompensate the highs and not raising the lows enough is you are not careful. It's all about knowing your monitors and using them properly, the perfect monitor does not exist.
I'm a bit torn between the KRK Rokit 5 G4 and the Yamaha HS5s. I suspect they are both really similar. KRKs are a bit more modern, the Yammies have been around for about a decade without a refresh and pushing close to twenty years regarding the basic design (HS50 came out around 2005). I suspect the Yammies have slightly better build quality and possibly slightly less flattering than the KRKs.
Hi John here from Australia. I love my KRK 5 inch monitors. I also use them for transferring my 45 and 33 rpm vinyls to MP3 for personal use. They are magic.
Great review and great info. I just got some Eris 3.5s so I could stop trying to mix on some budget headphones. I’m glad you sneered the question about headphones and monitors.
You also have to factor in there have been like 4 revisions to this product line. So when someone reports a boosted bass response in KRK rockets, they are most likely talking about the older versions. Also, people just say KRK in general, without being more specific a lot of the time, and if you reviewed the 8's for example, you'd probably have a very different result. Sometimes people also confuse the low mids as the bass, which some of the original KRKs had a huge bump in. The newer ones are much flatter than the old ones, but this is because they mostly (apart from the classic line) now have active dsp in them, which they never used to.
Which KRK's would you recommend for a small room, producing electronic music styles such as DnB, Dubstep and down tempo hiphop? I'm after a good genuine flat response and not just monster bass.
I had a pair of vxt8s and my problem with those was that depth in the mix was flipped on vocals. I mixed the vocals to clearly sit infront in the mix. But in other speakers, the phone and headphones the vocals were in the back of the sound. They translated most tracks well, but vocals and some other sounds, they were very misleading.
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As a "headphone mixer" I have the greatest appreciation for what you have done here. I loved the monitor mix. Hands down. I suspect headphone mixing leads to a lot of detail finessing that adds up to a sterile mix. Thanks for doing this.
I have never mixed just using headphones. I track myself with headphones, mix down using monitors and double check through computer monitors, earbuds and Bluetooth speakers. That way I know what it's going to sound like over a range of listening devices.
Thank you so much for putting your brilliant ideas in place to make things to understand so easily.
That idea of mixing through headphone and monitors gave a crystal idea of the differences you hear.
And that helped me BIG TIME to choose these monitors as my very first studio monitos.
I can't thank you enough for this.
God bless you.
Ah thank you so much for the kind words! Glad I could help out in some way, you've made my day :)
A very informative and instructional video. I enjoy all of your videos because you explain everything simply and thoroughly. Don't be concerned about broadening your topics because I think there are others like myself that want to learn all we can to improve our home projects. Thank you.
Thanks dude!
Great presentation, and content. Thank you. I've been playing around with some PEQ settings streaming music, and I've managed to eliminate a bass port him at around 550Hz, plus my room has a really hard 100Hz reinforcement that I'm stuck with, so dialled that back also, but found that these things can really punch hard with a 2-3dB lift at 50Hz with a Q of 3-4. I think they're brilliant as a pair of affordable desktop music speakers.
Love the in depth way you're tuning the monitors! More nuanced than my set up for sure :) they definitely can get super punchy when dialed in properly
The difference between them is very minimal but the rokits were always known for more their deep response of bass and I think it's still pretty much better than yams.
Interesting video indeed. As a 100% headphone producer and listener, I could clearly hear the difference between your headphone mix vs monitor mix. The monitor mix you did sounded way better. Question though, are you using something like Sonarworks to correct the frequency response (both for your monitors and your headphones)? If not, would be interesting to see the difference between a headphone and monitor mix there.
Thanks dude! And yeah I am actually, I should have mentioned that during the vid. The CB-1s have a sonarworks preset, although I still felt the peaks in the upper midrange were pretty pronounced.
I agree, monitors sound fuller. The headphones sound different, not bad, they still sound good to me. Maybe more detail on the phones but I prefer a lot of bass in my mixes. It's more pleasant. High pitches and treble, little kids 😆, make me cringe. I love my daughter but her voice and high pitch squeals just hurt my ears.
Idk what was better: the song or your surprise with the final mixes. Awesome video o/
Thank you my friend!! It was nice to catch my genuine shock on camera lol
Every single time there is a discussion on the KRK G4's the same comments appear about bloated bass from people who have never used these speakers.
Even some professional reviewers are making the same claims. The only other decent review I've seen is from audio science review.
As your measurements show, this is simply not a bass boosted monitor! (But can be, if desired, given the EQ control).
Great review!
I have some Beyer Dynamics 900 pro and just got the KRK g4 5 and can't wait to hear the difference. I know headphones are good for certain things but I keep hearing that monitors are where the magic happens. Appreciate the video on this!
What you think about the monitors now?
I far prefer the monitors mix, vs the headphone mix. And yes, what a crazy difference, it's not subtle, and immediately apparent.
Absolutely! I'm glad I didn't use another monitor to compare, I think the headphones vs monitors here makes a bigger point of discussion
@@AudioHaze I spent a couple of years and a lot of money trying to like headphones and make them work. I owned some Focal Clears, a pair of Oppo PM1s and various other headphones, and I just gave up; speakers produce a far more natural and expansive soundstage for me, headphones just sound so closed in and un-natural to my ears.
@@The80shilling Exactly and it's so exhausting to mix on headphones and you get fatigued much faster compared to speakers. Btw can i ask the op where did you listen to both mixes am i dumb for not seeing any link or anything? İts not even in the video so where are those mixes?
Yeah i am a big dumbass for skiping the mid part 🤦
I like that German Sheppard portrait ... Whoever painted it has a good eye. 🤘🏻
Great video. I am about to get a pair of KRK, and this is what i was looking for. I also have a small room and there is not so many place for fancy studio setup. I listened it on iphone but still was able to hear a huge difference. Thanks for info!
I've owned all the entry level monitors and out of all of them my mixes translated the best almost instantly from the KRKS. Their mixes TRANSLATE. But I do like switching it up with some yammahas because sometimes all that detail is just "too much information" when I just want to volume check a vocal with a snare. If you listen to DSAUDIO's comparison on here vs Genelecs and Focals (world class brands) the difference is almost non-existent. And the classics are great too.
Nice take! Yeah the Yamahas are great for getting a sort of "big idea" opinion
I watched this for the review, but that jam was incredibly good.
Appreciate it my friend!
Basically what I expected.
...but, yes, I did not expect THAT much of a difference. Makes sense though.
I've seen Dave Pensando using old school KRK 2 way near fields in one of his Pensado's place videos. Yeah they are somewhat popular with people who are amateurs or at the beginning of their sound journey, but that's not because the speakers themselves are lacking.
I prefer the monitor mix, listened on the iPhone 13 promax xD (actually love its speakers) Different lower notes and bass are easily distinguished from each other and feels punchier. The guitar volume is very different on the mixes and I can’t tell exactly what’s better, feels like each has its own “vision”
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuudddddeeeeee - at least plug in your AirPods. phones don't go below 400hz. that isn't the bass you're hearing - you're hearing overtones
This is an awesome video man!! Wow!!! What a great shootout!!!
Thank you heaps man! Watched different review on these studio monitors, but yours was the best!
Wow thank you I really appreciate it my friend!
@@AudioHaze ❤️ simply the truth!!!
Thenkiu senpai. It really takes a weight out of my mind to listen that if some gear doesnt ring good, it is not appropiate for me
Yes good good we all need ideal noise boxes happy to help
Amazing video mate! Cheers!
Great video u have really helped me on bass I got discouraged from getting the krk speakers coz someone said they have too much bass
The KRK mix is really good I agree. The headphone mix was veiled in comparison
Great video, you are really talented, love the mix!
Fantastic video!! Keep it up buddy, you’re doing great work
Thank you so much my friend! More to come for sure, would love to dive more into audio monitors
great topic, i know my room is a bad cube and ive had top end prism neumann gear, and after years with ears :) i love my sony mdr7506 and not too loud but critical listening learning to identify problems in the music and the time it takes to learn compression and better mixing all add up, its annoying you can spend money on high end gear then your mate listens back on a phone speaker lol and the kick drum becomes a tiny little click lol, hey ho, at least it makes the music more important not the mix
Hahaha true truem, us audio engineers are all so picky about where are mixes are listened back on lol, I'm sure it bugs our friends
That monitor had a huge issue with capacitors failing and the company not supporting customers denying warranties.
interesting, haven't heard about this
KRK is owned by Gibson so nothing new
Leave the review,but the melody you created is f***ing awesome.. Loved how you played 🔥
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed the music :)
Great vid as always. What do u think of the monitors? Say, compared to Genelecs? Should we skip em n go right ahead to gennies or they hv value?
I like said video and give it said thumbs up.
This is like
Here’s what my snooker table looks like in black and white the grey ball is next to the grey ball.
It’s a mythic that they are very Bass havy I have them the g4 7 and im very impressed about this monitors
Hi. Thank you for the video,. However, How can you do a speaker review in a completely untreated room and based on your mix output? I dont get it... sorry..
The bass boosted thing comes probably from the ”classic” KRK monitors and also from popularity in bassy genres producers studios. The new generation seem to be much better monitors. BTW I never understood why someone would want a bass boosted monitor in a bass heavy genre beacuse you would tend to undercook the bass that way. (Thats not a probable danger though, it will beovercooked in any case!)
Oh yeah 100% agree with both points, I think the stereotype is I think even more directly related to how Skrillex used them back in the day?
"BTW I never understood why someone would want a bass boosted monitor in a bass heavy genre because you would tend to undercook the bass that way."
I have to imagine that it mostly comes from newer music producers not thoroughly understanding the difference between recreational speakers that are nice to listen to and balanced critical listening devices. I've heard people describe balanced, high end studio monitors as "flat" and "lifeless"... I'm like yeah, that's kind of the point.
whats the song name?
i hope there is a release
I never thought the KRKs were boomy, bass focused. I've always thought they are mid-focused, flat and boxy. See Edward Smith's comparison against the Yamaha HS-5s, a box with a much clearer, much more detailed sound across the board.
I loved your song... It reminds me of starcraft zerg mision xD
Eyyy thank you, that was the goal! Sort of a darkwave rock vibe :)
Hi,
I have a bit of a long winded question for you, apologies in advance.
I've recently bought a Bugera 6262 212 combo amp, and the amp says it should be set to 16 ohms for internal speakers.
I'm actually going to bypass the speakers and plug into an axetrack isolation cab I managed to get, it's a speaker and an SM57 in a sealed box. It uses the input from where the amp would usually go to a cab, so the amp gets full use, it just goes to the iso speaker instead of the combo speaker. The SM57 picks it up, there's an XLR out which I'm planning to connect to a Behringer UMC22.
That plugs into a computer and has headphones out, but to be honest I'm not that bothered about recording, I'm basically using the whole setup as an analog attenuator with air and a mic rather than limiting the signal electronically. I'd like to get the output from the UMC22 to go to the speakers on the amp that I'm using instead of through PC or headphones, I asked on Amazon and someone said that the signal would need a power amp otherwise it would be too weak for the speakers.
So my chain is:
Guitar > amp section of combo > iso box with sm57 > xlr > Behringer UMC22 > ......
Can I output from the UMC22 into something , amplify without colouring the sound (at least not too much), then send to the speakers in my 6262 cab?
Are you aware of a product like this? I'd rather use my amp speakers than buying more.
I don't know, I'm very confused lol.
Sorry it's such a long question and thanks for your time.
Hey! Okay so I think I understand, so you'd be using the outputs of the UMC22 to go back into your amp rather than just to studio monitors? Those are stereo outs so how would you route it? Just send one of the stereo outs into the cab for a mono signal? You'll have to go through some sort of DAW to make this happen, the interface won't do direct routing without first converting it into a digital signal, going through your computer, and then spitting it back out as an analog one.
I'm not sure if these will need a boost after leaving the UMC22, you could try to adjust the output in the DAW before it goes back out to the amp, and if it doesn't meet your expectation you could try a cloudlifter to clean transparent gain between the UMC22 and combo amp speaker. If you want to try a more janky solution, you could try compressor guitar pedal if you have one lying around.
Hope this helps a bit!
I'm confused since when are monitor mixes inferior to headphone mixes and how are headphone mixes reliant on monitors? How could those mixes be comparable...they are 2 entirely different processes
I purchased a brand new KRK Rokit 7 G4, but it quickly disappointed me. Both speakers have loud hissing noises, which is highly unpleasant when there is no music playing. We attempted to repair them but discovered that the issue was with the speakers themselves. /used balanced cable, tried other devices, none of which worked/ I've seen that many folks experience the same issues as I have. Even without audio input, the hissing noise remains, therefore I would not suggest it to anybody. At this pricing range, this is a huge letdown!
Sorry to hear this! I haven't had to deal with this with my Rokit 5, but nonetheless I'm sorry your pair had this issue!
Not sure on speakers as I am just learning, but your music is kin Awsome
Eyyy thank you so much dude! Made my morning :)
loved how you put this together.....you/re talrnt shows
Thanks so much Bill!
I like the monitor mix. im getting these speakers
Enjoy them!
Is there any latency on these when playing instruments live through them? Bit worried that something with DSP is going to take time for processing.
Yep im getting some i need that kinda base control
what would be the best option ? i see a 130 difference on amazon with 3 yr warranty on the classic 5s is 295$ and on zzounds the rokit 5 g4s are 426$ w 3 years so a 130 difference i do want the flat response for better mixing but can tweak it with the screen and put flat in general these have been my dream monitors would love the input from anyone thanks
Can you do this with a pair of Adam Audio T5V monitors?
Thanks 🙏🏾
great video
Great video.
Thanks!
They dont have too much bass....they are not big enough for it. They are fine
5:50 guess the headphones will be the best because there is no acoustic treatment in the room...
Guess I was wrong but the could probably be even better with acoustic treatment
It certainly could, I do like to represent my studio how I assume most others will have their studio, meaning a semi-unprofessional set up
You can mix on any monitors with some decent treatment and good reference tracks. You just have to know what their shortcomings are and have other systems to check on.
I’ve been using the 8s for years. Frequency response is remarkably flat and predictable. If anything they’re a little too much in the high end after like 14k in my room
Less than a year ownership and the silly screen on the back is flashing - no sound! They're JUNK!
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What microphone is that?
That would be the RE20 :)
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Puppies and kittens. I thought that we had a deal.
HAHA hey there was at least one mention of a kitten in this one lol
@@AudioHaze When in doubt add some kittens.
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Sub's man thank you!
me listening from 10 years old 15 euro trust speakers 🤔🤔😂
studio monitors for untreated room
Too much bass
I like, not only the content of the video, but also the way you talk, clearly, articulated, that's a sign of caring of listeners. Thanks.
Your mix reactions are on point, I thought the same thing especially about the guitar solo... it just melted away into nothing on the headphone mix. KRK mix was more balanced and all the mid and high end was present. Edit: Also, as a current owner of the Rokit 8 G4s and had previous generations of the KRKs, I think at least some of the bass monster meme of the KRKs come from G2/G3. The G4s changed a lot about the Rokits (for the better).
absolutely agree
I have been using KRK's few years now. Good price, very reliable and solid quality. I also use them to dial in my guitar parts.
Interesting how the headphone mix ended up sounding both muddy and dry in comparison to the monitor mix. Have noticed that recording/mixing through headphones have a higher potential for ear fatigue too, one of the biggest benefits to separate speakers aswell.
Great review. You're right there is no way to review speakers without being subjective. I see a lot of blogs and comments saying these monitors are bass boosted or not good overall but you cant really take peoples opinion seriously. Thanks!
Glad I could help!
The difference between them is very minimal but the rokits were always known for more their deep response of bass and I think it's still pretty much better than yams.
I'm happy to hear that you preferred the monitor over the headphone mix. Me too. I just got a set of krks 5 g4's today and I'm still waiting to plug in so I'm just watching videos. I watched a few TH-camrs review them and say that they were bass heavy but still wanted to keep them over the other monitors because they just sound good. I've had the yamaha hs5 and they sound expansive and clear but lacked bass. I always found myself trying to change the the yamaha hs5 settings because they made my ears tired after long sessions. Overall, the yamaha's became too busy and kinda harsh for daily use.
TBH, I prefer the Adam Audio T and A series over KRK's any products for one single fact, that was not mentioned in this video: the high-end harshness. One of my main conserns when mixing (and this is especially true for home studios as well) is not in the low end, bc unless you're having a room treated well in the low end, the response curve of the speaker will be minor in comparison with the response of your room. You'll be better off checking it with SPAN. But adjusting a De-Esser, dialing in saturation, judging the volume of a hi-hat, boosting on a Pultec-style EQ, that matters more to me than having an accurate low-end response. As I said, there's countless ways to dial those in without even hearing it as it is, which is usually the case with home studios.
Nice insight here! So you're saying the Adam T handles high end response better in home studio environments? I personally haven't found the high end to be overly harsh, but haven't tried any other monitors in my room to be fair
@@AudioHaze I've used a lot of entry level monitors, including the G4, HS8, T7V, IN8 and for my ears, the G4 has the worst high-end accuracy from all. I'm not talking about the overall response, that's reasonably flat on paper, but you can't really tell the difference between a +1,5db or a +3db of gain reduction on a de-esser, or a can't tell the accurate saturation overtones because it's tweeter is overly distorted on its own. Don't get me wrong, they're nice to listen to music on, impresses clients a lot (especially with the yellow kevlar look) but I never achieved any transparent high-end on my mixes anything close to what I was capable of with the Adams.
@@skk6811 Los Monitores Adams son excelentes eso nadie lo puede negar yo tambien estoy interesados en comprar esos monitores debido a que son muy claros en su respuesta de frecuencias , Sin embargo eh pasado por muchos videos escuchando los krk rokit G4 y su respuesta de frecuencia es clara, plana y precisa, sin casi nada de realces en las frecuencias, similar a la que se podria escuchar en un monitor Adam , ahora si tu no lo escuchas que suenan muy bien los monitores krk g4 es por que ya has acostumbrado a tus oidos a los Monitores Adams eso hay que tomar en cuenta .
I demoed the KRKs and Adam Audio monitors in my studio for two weeks and settled on the KRKs. Both are great choices, but my mixes on the KRKs translated perfectly whether I was listening in the car or on AirPods or in another studio. I love the high end of the KRKs and the tight, punchy low end. To my ears, the KRKs are an unbeatable value.
Don't pay attention to the numbers, you are loved and appreciated! Love it and my trust meter overmodulates when you are on my screen 😊 Big thumbs up Ricky 👍👍👍
"Trust meter overmodulates" is now one of my favorite phrases haha, and thank you so much!!
Thank you for the review. Coincidentally at the moment I'm choosing between these and Adam T5Vs. Leaning towards KRKs because from what I can hear of comparison recordings (it's silly I know but at least something), KRKs are less bright and have a little bit more low end which for prosumer like me might be a sweet spot in terms of balance between natural sound and fatiguing from long listening sessions.
I have a somewhat nerdy question though.
Do these Rokit 5s have certain maximum input level, in Vrms/dBU, like we see on headphone amplifiers? The manual only says that default 0.0 dB setting suited for +4dBU and in case of -10dBV one might want to dial +11dB of volume on the monitor. However I would like to know the actual limits of its amp in order to avoid clipping the signal and tune up my DAC properly. Thanks!
Glad I could help! But unfortunately I do not have an answer to that, I think thats beyond my scope in terms of what I know about the monitors and I don't want to give an educated guess and be totally wrong :/
I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure they have built in limiters so you won’t get any clipping no matter how loud you go
Im wearing Sennheiser HD-280 Pro's listening to this and from these headphones, your monitor mix sounds better that your headphone mix.
I have the 5 neighbors are banging on my wall and I have it low with the bass at the lowest level possible 😩
Love how you explained the experienced detail between headphones and monitors. Also like how you transitioned and sectioned off each part of the Intrumental you produced. Sub and like here 👍
Conclusion... I need to stop mixing in headphones and pick up some KRK monitors. I'll take your word for it. Thanks.
NICE, you'll love them :)
2 year old video,,,, don't wanna be dramatic but in music terms this is life changing,,,,, wow amazing content thank you, and i have just ordered my krk from sweetwater. thank you
About the app using the phone microphone, I saw a video where they used rca to jack 3.5 so the phone took it directly i guess. It is this video in case it is of help for anybody. th-cam.com/video/IpU0Gv576x4/w-d-xo.html
Great review. I'd add only the OLDER KRK's didn't have those attenuation options and probably had a little to do with the bad "bassy" rap...
Nice thanks for the info!
I agree they are great references for mixing validation for general listening. But they are not that good for mixing/mastering for any initial mix, too much bass in the frequency response curve. By experience, if your mix sounds good on the KRK Rokit 5 G4 and on the Yamaha hs5, there is a 99% chance it will pass the car stereo test. With the KRK Rokit 5 G4 alone, you are exposed to overcompensate the highs and not raising the lows enough is you are not careful. It's all about knowing your monitors and using them properly, the perfect monitor does not exist.
It is your room, not the monitors.
You sound amateur
I'm a bit torn between the KRK Rokit 5 G4 and the Yamaha HS5s. I suspect they are both really similar. KRKs are a bit more modern, the Yammies have been around for about a decade without a refresh and pushing close to twenty years regarding the basic design (HS50 came out around 2005). I suspect the Yammies have slightly better build quality and possibly slightly less flattering than the KRKs.
80% monitor mixing, and 20% headphone.
I wonder if it would have given closer results to the KRK’s had you used open back headphones.
Great video.
Good point
Just purchased KRKs and found this video, made me confidence. Man the difference. Wow.
Hahaha glad I could relieve any post-purchase anxieties
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I think your headphones are in mono :D
this was one of the best reviews I ever seen period. I subscribed from this video. the monitor sound a lot more open than the cans.
Wow thank you!! And yes definitely, I was shocked as you could tell in the reaction section lol
Monitor mix all the way!
Hi John here from Australia. I love my KRK 5 inch monitors. I also use them for transferring my 45 and 33 rpm vinyls to MP3 for personal use. They are magic.
Love it! And cheers from Brooklyn :)
best comparison ever , thanks
This is such a unique way to give perspective on a monitor. Excellent content.
Great review and great info. I just got some Eris 3.5s so I could stop trying to mix on some budget headphones. I’m glad you sneered the question about headphones and monitors.
It's incredible how different the song is after the mixing. Really interesting video!
right??? the differences in the mixes so still crazy to me
You also have to factor in there have been like 4 revisions to this product line. So when someone reports a boosted bass response in KRK rockets, they are most likely talking about the older versions. Also, people just say KRK in general, without being more specific a lot of the time, and if you reviewed the 8's for example, you'd probably have a very different result. Sometimes people also confuse the low mids as the bass, which some of the original KRKs had a huge bump in. The newer ones are much flatter than the old ones, but this is because they mostly (apart from the classic line) now have active dsp in them, which they never used to.
Which KRK's would you recommend for a small room, producing electronic music styles such as DnB, Dubstep and down tempo hiphop? I'm after a good genuine flat response and not just monster bass.
Came to watch the review, Stayed for the talent
Great review and track and mix (monitor version haha). I love how much work you put in and I think it may have sold me on the KRK Rokits!
I found the headphones much more flat
6.41... yes ... just play
I had a pair of vxt8s and my problem with those was that depth in the mix was flipped on vocals. I mixed the vocals to clearly sit infront in the mix. But in other speakers, the phone and headphones the vocals were in the back of the sound. They translated most tracks well, but vocals and some other sounds, they were very misleading.
That monitor mix sounds so open and clean
Thanks for super informative contents man. And great music too. The Korean subtitle sucks tho.