I don’t understand how this tool is any different than using quick mask mode with a brush to get a selection and then hitting generative fill. Seems exactly the same. Any time you have an active selection you will see generative fill in the contextual task bar. So whether you get that selection with a quick mask/brush or this selection brush doesn’t seem to matter. They both use a brush with a color overlay and the ability to paint with a specific opacity. Am I missing something?
You are absolutely right. This tool is just a bit easier to use compering to the quick mask, but the results are the same. I made a comparison test, and there is no difference. #Deke forgot about quick mask.
Nope, you’re not missing anything. You can, of course, tap Q to enter the quick mask mode, paint any and all manner of selection (highly articulated, if you’re so inclined), and press Q to exit. The Selection Brush offers painterly convenience. It’s right there, the Opacity value is immediately accessible, and you have only to tap Generative Fill. Just last year, at least a dozen TH-camrs were heaping praise on the Remove tool (I among them), and yet the simple fact is that any combination of selection tool + Gen Fill is better. If you prefer the experience of brushing in your edits, you now have the Selection Brush.
@@dekeNow I agree on everything you say. This new tool is giving us easier way to make selection with a Brush than to go to the Quick Mask mode. Because it is a Brush, work is in the same manner as regular brush tool which we can use in Quick Mask. Yes, it gives us Opacity and that is giving us better options for Generative "Retouch". The way you presented it, looks like there is a new tool for retouching, which is not a case. This is new way (or impoved old way) to make selection, and on that selection you are using the Generative Fill option. Thank you for showing this. It is very useful.
@@ZoranImsiragic you can use generative fill with Quick Mask as well as opacity, etc. This tool literally adds nothing other than allows the user to not press Q.
I notice a lot of dualism in the reactions... Some think it's exactly the same as the antique but still strong Quick Mask feature of version 2.5 back in 1993. Which is true, both technically and in speed (the number of steps it gets things done). Some say the new Brush Selection is absolutely brilliant and sooo much better compared to the old QuickMask. What's happening ? Like many new features in long-standing popular Adobe software, they're sometimes re-invented to do things in a different way. Those who have been using QuickMask since its inception, will stick to that. Those who always wondered "what's that funny mask icon in the toolbar and why does it turn everything red?" they'll be happy with the new Selection Brush. It's a matter of visibility, explorabiility. The QuickMask just sits there, statically, waiting for some one to understand what it does and what needs to be the next step (pickup up a brush). A tool feels more immediate, is much more inviting and explorable to new users of Photoshop (or users who never touched the QuickMask...) Hey, you could also compare it with the Brush tool in the Select & Mask panel with the View set to overlay. But that's the most conditional procedure, and more appropriate in combination with other features and tools of that panel. So all in all, it's a matter of the user's history and background, whether they prefer the one or the other method.
For sure. But I’ve actually grown more fond of the Selection Brush since I recorded this. (Well versed with quick mask, but you gotta press the Q key and it’s way up there in the top-left corner of the keyboard 😅)
I downloaded the update, expecting to find the brush I have always been asking for. Instead I get a wholly pointless brush that is worse than using a regular brush in quick mask, because in quick mask you can adjust flow rate which is way better than opacity for my money - so there's a step backward. BUT I really expected it to have an edge detect option like we see in lightroom/CR. Otherwise what's the point?? I hate the quick selection brush because it will jump out to areas I never asked for, I don't see why the developers cant see that an edge detecting brush that wont go where you don't tell it to would be the perfect selection tool. Its not like they cant do it - it exists in two of their other programs for god's sake!
Point taken. And, well, hey . . . Wouldn’t it be great if you could get some of those LR/ACR masks into Ps? I found a way that I’ll be sharing in the near future!
It’s things like this that annoy me to no end with Adobe. There are comments that are years old in their forums (and feature request forms, which Adobe doesn’t read) where graphic designers (like me) have been asking for real tools that we NEED to do our jobs. One is batch image processing updates. You CANNOT batch process images to PNGs in Photoshop unless you install some 3rd party script or create some finagled Action with dialog boxes and other craziness. WHY?????!!! Photoshop should be able to batch process any image that it can open, allow me to resize them to my specified dimensions, and then export them to any format PS can export to. But you CAN’T!!!! This is a huge part of my workflow at my job. We are paying Adobe to use their software and they are spending time on features like this instead of things that people who do WORK actually need.
Automation is one of those areas that gets a bunch of attention (about 15 years ago, now) and then dries up. (There are some recent scripting options-it’s on my list.) I keep hoping Photoshop will make it a mission to push new pro-level technology 24/7. Too much time is spent taking unfinished features from the past and repackaging them so that they’re more discoverable, resulting in bigger fatter unfinished features-that often makes automation that much tougher.
This guy made a whole video about a tool that does absolutely everything you can already do in Quick Mask with any brush. Instead of pressing Q, you now hold shift and click through L to load this new brush. Adobe is great at adding things no one asked for and changing things that aren't broken.
I'm not seeing what is new with this tool really. The "opacity" thing, you could already do with Generative Fill. Just create a semi-transparent selection, using quick mask or however, and Generative Fill would use the underlying pixels to base its new pixels on. Here's the thing though: the original version of General Fill, in the beta last year, did a very useful job of this. (similar to "img2Img" in stable diffusion in theory). The later versions of Generative Fill they have seemingly deliberately (let's hope its not by accident) disabled or reduced the quality this feature. Its clear that in a few ways the quality of generative AI at the very beginning, when it was first introduced, was a lot more photo-realistic. Now it pays less attention to overall color and tonal value around it, and is definitely prioritising fantasy and fake-looking results. I've no idea what's going on, could be some legal issue, that's all I can think of. It's obvious that Adobe have a lot more power "under the hood", of these features, then they are allowing the public to have access to.
The advantage is that the Opacity value is that it’s right there. (And I think generally misunderstood.) If the tool had a direct tie-in to Gen Fill, I think people would be able to make more immediate sense of it. As for the art/fantasy bias, Midjourney and Dall-e have been going that way as well. I think it might be (shockingly) easier to pull off, and less obvious than photographic imagery when the results are screwy.
Hey I seriously thought that the new selection is supposed to select your entire person are objects when you hover over them you could change the color for the selecting object
@@BrianMackey2010 Hm, when I opened ver 25.11.0 today there was a widow popping up asking where I wanted to put the Selection Brush. Maybe check in Edit Toolbar?
I don’t understand how this tool is any different than using quick mask mode with a brush to get a selection and then hitting generative fill. Seems exactly the same. Any time you have an active selection you will see generative fill in the contextual task bar. So whether you get that selection with a quick mask/brush or this selection brush doesn’t seem to matter. They both use a brush with a color overlay and the ability to paint with a specific opacity. Am I missing something?
You are absolutely right. This tool is just a bit easier to use compering to the quick mask, but the results are the same. I made a comparison test, and there is no difference. #Deke forgot about quick mask.
Nope, you’re not missing anything. You can, of course, tap Q to enter the quick mask mode, paint any and all manner of selection (highly articulated, if you’re so inclined), and press Q to exit. The Selection Brush offers painterly convenience. It’s right there, the Opacity value is immediately accessible, and you have only to tap Generative Fill. Just last year, at least a dozen TH-camrs were heaping praise on the Remove tool (I among them), and yet the simple fact is that any combination of selection tool + Gen Fill is better. If you prefer the experience of brushing in your edits, you now have the Selection Brush.
@@dekeNow I agree on everything you say. This new tool is giving us easier way to make selection with a Brush than to go to the Quick Mask mode. Because it is a Brush, work is in the same manner as regular brush tool which we can use in Quick Mask. Yes, it gives us Opacity and that is giving us better options for Generative "Retouch". The way you presented it, looks like there is a new tool for retouching, which is not a case. This is new way (or impoved old way) to make selection, and on that selection you are using the Generative Fill option. Thank you for showing this. It is very useful.
@@ZoranImsiragic you can use generative fill with Quick Mask as well as opacity, etc. This tool literally adds nothing other than allows the user to not press Q.
@@AndrewJ1313 Yes. That is my point also.
Adobe is chasing its tail
I notice a lot of dualism in the reactions...
Some think it's exactly the same as the antique but still strong Quick Mask feature of version 2.5 back in 1993. Which is true, both technically and in speed (the number of steps it gets things done). Some say the new Brush Selection is absolutely brilliant and sooo much better compared to the old QuickMask. What's happening ?
Like many new features in long-standing popular Adobe software, they're sometimes re-invented to do things in a different way. Those who have been using QuickMask since its inception, will stick to that. Those who always wondered "what's that funny mask icon in the toolbar and why does it turn everything red?" they'll be happy with the new Selection Brush. It's a matter of visibility, explorabiility. The QuickMask just sits there, statically, waiting for some one to understand what it does and what needs to be the next step (pickup up a brush). A tool feels more immediate, is much more inviting and explorable to new users of Photoshop (or users who never touched the QuickMask...)
Hey, you could also compare it with the Brush tool in the Select & Mask panel with the View set to overlay. But that's the most conditional procedure, and more appropriate in combination with other features and tools of that panel.
So all in all, it's a matter of the user's history and background, whether they prefer the one or the other method.
For sure. But I’ve actually grown more fond of the Selection Brush since I recorded this. (Well versed with quick mask, but you gotta press the Q key and it’s way up there in the top-left corner of the keyboard 😅)
That is one very cool (Assuming a Cobra?) T-Shirt! :)
I see a big potential for this tool in the nex future, once it will be improved better and better !
I downloaded the update, expecting to find the brush I have always been asking for. Instead I get a wholly pointless brush that is worse than using a regular brush in quick mask, because in quick mask you can adjust flow rate which is way better than opacity for my money - so there's a step backward. BUT I really expected it to have an edge detect option like we see in lightroom/CR. Otherwise what's the point?? I hate the quick selection brush because it will jump out to areas I never asked for, I don't see why the developers cant see that an edge detecting brush that wont go where you don't tell it to would be the perfect selection tool. Its not like they cant do it - it exists in two of their other programs for god's sake!
Point taken. And, well, hey . . . Wouldn’t it be great if you could get some of those LR/ACR masks into Ps? I found a way that I’ll be sharing in the near future!
It’s things like this that annoy me to no end with Adobe. There are comments that are years old in their forums (and feature request forms, which Adobe doesn’t read) where graphic designers (like me) have been asking for real tools that we NEED to do our jobs. One is batch image processing updates. You CANNOT batch process images to PNGs in Photoshop unless you install some 3rd party script or create some finagled Action with dialog boxes and other craziness. WHY?????!!! Photoshop should be able to batch process any image that it can open, allow me to resize them to my specified dimensions, and then export them to any format PS can export to. But you CAN’T!!!! This is a huge part of my workflow at my job. We are paying Adobe to use their software and they are spending time on features like this instead of things that people who do WORK actually need.
Automation is one of those areas that gets a bunch of attention (about 15 years ago, now) and then dries up. (There are some recent scripting options-it’s on my list.) I keep hoping Photoshop will make it a mission to push new pro-level technology 24/7. Too much time is spent taking unfinished features from the past and repackaging them so that they’re more discoverable, resulting in bigger fatter unfinished features-that often makes automation that much tougher.
This guy made a whole video about a tool that does absolutely everything you can already do in Quick Mask with any brush. Instead of pressing Q, you now hold shift and click through L to load this new brush.
Adobe is great at adding things no one asked for and changing things that aren't broken.
Ooh, “this guy.” He burns me up!
and a freaking 14 minutes long video at that, jesus my man I thought it some new amazing feature.
I'm not seeing what is new with this tool really. The "opacity" thing, you could already do with Generative Fill. Just create a semi-transparent selection, using quick mask or however, and Generative Fill would use the underlying pixels to base its new pixels on. Here's the thing though: the original version of General Fill, in the beta last year, did a very useful job of this. (similar to "img2Img" in stable diffusion in theory). The later versions of Generative Fill they have seemingly deliberately (let's hope its not by accident) disabled or reduced the quality this feature. Its clear that in a few ways the quality of generative AI at the very beginning, when it was first introduced, was a lot more photo-realistic. Now it pays less attention to overall color and tonal value around it, and is definitely prioritising fantasy and fake-looking results.
I've no idea what's going on, could be some legal issue, that's all I can think of. It's obvious that Adobe have a lot more power "under the hood", of these features, then they are allowing the public to have access to.
The advantage is that the Opacity value is that it’s right there. (And I think generally misunderstood.) If the tool had a direct tie-in to Gen Fill, I think people would be able to make more immediate sense of it.
As for the art/fantasy bias, Midjourney and Dall-e have been going that way as well. I think it might be (shockingly) easier to pull off, and less obvious than photographic imagery when the results are screwy.
The photoshop ai/contextual task bar been almost a year available in beta mode, not new anymore
Hey I seriously thought that the new selection is supposed to select your entire person are objects when you hover over them you could change the color for the selecting object
its not available yet
It’s in Photoshop Beta.
@@dekeNow where do you get that?
It is there now, not only in Beta.
@@thisismereally not on mine :( says its in this update but its not showing up
@@BrianMackey2010 Hm, when I opened ver 25.11.0 today there was a widow popping up asking where I wanted to put the Selection Brush. Maybe check in Edit Toolbar?
why? it makes photoshop expensive. tell adobe to sell all softwares for $1/year
I don’t think they’ll *buy* into that one. 🤢
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Why would people talk about adobe?