Hey, I'm an Orthodox Christian. In regards to the Trinity. We don't expect for the nature of God to completely 'make sense' to the human mind. We are given as much as we can handle. To see the face of God would be so incomprehensible, that it would destroy us. We believe that we are in a fallen state and that the eye of our soul (nous) is clouded, so there is only so much that can be understood about the Holiness of God through the fallen reasoning of man. The two of you, and me are separate in persons but are one in human nature. Different persons, same nature. Different, and yet united. The one and the many. Multiplicity. You can see this truth reflected in all of creation, and in all of our relationships with each other. We believe that this is the only way that Love and Humility can exist, between distinct persons. Love cannot exist unless you have someone else to love. Humility cannot exist unless you have another person to be humble to. And this too, in some way is how the three persons of the trinity express Love and Humility to each other, and to us. Between persons. And this too as Christians is how we relate to God, from person to person. We believe that the essence of God is Love and that the Trinity reflects this. The understanding of the Trinity is as much superrational as it is rational. It is something that you can understand through participating in the life of the Church and with God; as much as you can understand it by just thinking about it. The thinking and the participating together give us more of the fullness in understanding the reality of WHO God is. Ultimately it is a mystery. We can't know everything, but we believe that God has revealed to us as much as we need in order to follow Him. God bless ☦
Thank you for your input and knowledge, it is greatly appreciated. I agree the nature of God and who he is, is beyond human comprehension. However this cannot be used to explain things such as the Trinity, as it is possible that the notion of the Trinity is based on error (as Muslims believe). There has to be other factors that prove Christianity aside from the Trinity as it would just be a matter of pure faith like someone believing in shiva or any other god/ belief unless you associate some kind of proof or rational belief with Christianity. Such as preserved prophecies or miracles for example and these factors definitely exist to a degree. That being said God being three persons include just that. Three persons. Who all are unlike each other but are all fully God. For many people this is contradictory and is illogical. Because we are saying three is one. When they are all separate by time location even capabilities and role. Again we obviously have bias but we love to look into the subject and we will continue to do so with as much as an open mind as possible. However the presence of several now deemed heretical beliefs surrounding the nature of God and development of the Trinity such as: Arianism Gnosticism Adoptionism Tritheism Patripassianism These beliefs push the notion that the idea of the Trinity by its nature is problematic and it was since the beginning. Describing the Trinity as superrational or beyond comprehension, suppresses the issue at hand rather than address it. If there is only one God but Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God well if they aren’t each other then they are in a way three beings despite us being told this isn’t the case. Beyond this, the Father seems to have a more prominent position as being the one to reach as none can go to the father except through the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus and the Holy Spirit both originated from the essence of the father. More can be said but this is why there are early now deemed heretical beliefs that the Father is a higher God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are lesser. God also becoming lesser than what he is, is also a contradiction as that falls out of Gods own definition of who he is. Jesus not knowing the hour and similar issues such as this have been explained away by him having two natures which is also a later development. We know God cannot cease to exist or become weak or not know things. A primary goal of this channel is to confront these issues and study the history of the church and nature of God and come to a more educated conclusion. I appreciate you investing your time in talking about this issue with us. We will look into this further, stay tuned. -Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS Very much a lay person here, with some United Methodist background and a heavy agnostic leaning, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think the Christian point of view is that we have the evidence that God did in fact choose to manifest in the flesh and live among us. Therefore there must be some way the weak-God paradox you're hung up on is a non-issue. The predominant interpretation seems to be that God basically split himself in a way that he didn't stop being divine, and retaining all the omnipotence that goes along with that. Rather, God-the-Son and God-the-Father coexisted and continue to coexist in parallel, as spiritual equals. And although the flesh/Son version of God got to experience the limitations of being human (aside from his communication with God-the-father and his miracle-working), his inevitable death could not ever really be the end of him, reinforcing the notion that there's more to being human than being just a sinful bag of bones, forever separated from God, with no hope of uniting with the infinite. In Christianity, you can have questions, doubts, and even extreme philosophical differences with things like this, and there may well be a church or denomination out there which agrees with you. Or at least, a lot of churches would regard your skepticism to be a normal part of one's spiritual journey, i.e. you are using your God-given brain as it was intended. In other words, having all the answers, a God-like complete understanding of truth, ultimate certainty, and feeling that you've got the morally correct model and opinion about anything & everything is generally *not* what faith is about, and is not what God or the church requires of you. Faith, rather, is about being uncertain: *not* knowing, and proceeding/believing anyway. It can involve asking tough questions like "how can X and Y both be true?" and "how does this not contradict that?" and "what is this even supposed to mean?". Likewise, having a solid, thoroughly rational understanding of the trinity is not a prerequisite to having faith and being Christian. As mere humans, we probably can't ever understand everything there is to know. The tone of your comments throughout the video suggests you're not comfortable with very much uncertainty. You want to believe God would not leave things ambiguous for us, that the entirety of truth must already be revealed in scripture. It's no surprise, then, that you related better to the structure and dogmatic approach of the Catholic church, and that you rejected some Protestant denominations as being too watered-down with modern values and too flexible (e.g. by focusing on Jesus's message of acceptance and brotherhood of all humankind, thus tolerating if not also accepting & ordaining non-heterosexuals). Understand that within Christianity, these same differences of opinion exist. Christians can feel the way you do, or quite the opposite. They may not feel welcome in every congregation, but they are still all Christian, if they believe in Jesus as "Lord and Savior" (notwithstanding the differences of opinion over "faith without works", baptism, transubstantiation, and so on.)
@@MuslimMindsUS Arianism came from a man who personally interpreted the Bible and wanted to create a reform in the third century AD. But since that was sucessfully rejected, it can be explained that even before Arianism, the Trinity could be easily understood. We do not question God's ways, for He is the All-knowing. 🥰💙. But I have got to admit that you are some of the only muslims that will look into other types of beliefs as openly-minded as possible. I respect you very much for that, brothers. God bless!
@@MuslimMindsUS just a side question.. if God is unlike anything in his creation according to Muslim belief, wouldn’t it make sense that he cannot be one in the same sense that humans are one? Just something to think about… I always hear the argument of it doesn’t befit God’s majesty to become a man.. I’ll liking that to say it doesn’t befit a King’s majesty to wear his servant’s uniform..but he can decide to do it anyway. Another view will be, it doesn’t befit Mark’s majesty to use be an avatar in meta? If we assume the avatars in meta are AI, will it be strange for him to create an avatar for himself to interact with his creation?? *this doesn’t fully explain the trinity but the avatar will also be Mark even if it was in meta…if mark decides to train an ai bot with his personality to control that avatar then that avatar is fully mark but totally separate from Mark.. every decision his makes in meta will be what Mark will make…
@@MuslimMindsUS - With respect to God becoming man and dying on the cross, the Christian God claims to love people, I don't recall the same being said for Islam's. If there is this difference, would it not make sense the two gods would behave different?
Yes understood! For us as Muslims thought, praying and asking anyone else other than Allah/God is "shirk" which means associating others with God. And as Muslims that is forbidden. Thanks for your comment Debbie! -Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS Hi, I know it is a long time since you posted this video, but I do want to point out that what we mean, as Catholics, when we 'pray' to Mary is to ask for her intercession. If you have read Jane Austin, many of her characters say things such as, "I pray thee tell," because the word pray simply meant ask. Now, with how many people interpret the word pray, saying that we are praying to Mary in the sense that she is a God is incorrect and is not in the teachings of the Catholic church.
so in other words, u worship her 😂 why would u pray for help from a dead woman? yall are no different than the muslims who pray and send blessings to their dead prophet lmfaooo
As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.
Great video, you guys, very respectful very knowledgeable of Christianity and honestly very insightful on how many similar beliefs Muslims and Christians have. I also watch a lot of things contrary to my beliefs to strengthen my faith. 👏🏽
I'm protestant. And I find it strange, really, how there are so many different denominations inside of it. The truth is, there are only christians and not christians. (Those churches differ by interpretation, but its said in the bible that the one who interprets it is the wholy spirit, there is only one interpretation: God's interpretation. So we can call it now a fact, because God is immutable so his word will also be. Living by this you learn to let the bible interpret itself. Its not a book that you read, it's one that you study). Its okay if some differ only in costumes and habits, like not cutting your hair, watching tv etc. Because these are not salvation dependant issues. But once one of those falls short of the bible its immediately wrong. You asked for the standard. It is the bible. The written word of God
Hey Haíra, thanks for the comment! So from your explanation, you believe it’s up to the Bible to interpret itself, very interesting viewpoint! Yes there are indeed many differing denominations, it’ll take a while for me or Rohaib to get a good grasp on them all 😅. Glad you decided to watch and leave feedback, I hope you subscribe, more videos coming! -Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUSfor the record, he is correct, most Christians of all denominations except that each other are saved. A Catholic May disagree very much with a baptist, but both are likely to believe that the other is saved. Unfair to consider these groups denominations in the traditional sense, these are not enemies of one another and they do not hate one another, the division is often very cultural and based on secondary issues which the Bible isn't obvious about. Most of the differences between the denominations are surrounding politics- how should the church be structured? Should we have bishops, then you are Episcopalian. Should we have elders? Then you are a presbyterian. Should we have priests? Then you are Catholic or orthodox, should we have pastors and ministers instead of priests? Then you are Protestants. If we're not talking about the politics of the church denomination, then we're talking about mostly secondary questions, like soteriology (how are we saved). Calvinists believe that Free Will is an illusion and that we cannot choose to follow christ, that Christ has to force us to choose him first, while Baptists and pretty much everyone else agrees we have free will. Some think we should only have old music, some think we should have modern music, some think we should have no music at all(only Acapella). Some say we should all be dressed in suits and dresses, while most agree that jeans and t-shirts are totally acceptable. As you can see, most of these disagreements don't particularly matter in the long run. We have a separation because people prefer to be amongst people they are more similar to, however it is not uncommon for a presbyterian to join a Baptist church or a Baptist to join an Anglican church for a season. A long time ago, people used to introduce their religion by which denomination they were, nowadays most people agree to just call themselves Christian. We will always have our disagreements and debate about them, but most Christians today find it unhelpful to be angry at one another, considering we should believe that we are going to heaven together.
23:30 Hi, presbyterian here. Catholics don't really "worship" Mary, they more so pray for her to help ask her to pray for them. If that makes sense for you guys.
Hello Watermellish! Please be sure to subscribe for more videos coming out! Yes, we understand Catholics in their view dont "worship". However for us as Muslims, kneeling in front of a statute and asking for intercession from it is worshipping in our eyes, its setting up partners with God, which is a major sin in Islam. Thats why we as Muslims disagree with it, although we respect Catholics very much for their other practices. Hope that makes sense! -Hamza
As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.
For the trinity, I'd recommend you look up Monarchical trinitarianism. Also the Bible CLEARLY teaches Jesus is god, the biggest example being the beginning of John. Edit: Not to be mean, but their are factual errors in the "what is the Trinity" part of the video. First off, its a little rude to describe a religious doctrine held by mastermind theologians for two thousand years, longer that your own faith has been in this world, as "mental gymnastics" Although due to the layperson not knowing the complex theology involved, I can understand where this view would come from. Also, Jews in history were not entirely the same as today, Philo of Alexandria had a very similar view of God to the trinity, from just the Old testament! Also most of the passages that are brought up in an attempt to "debunk" the Trinity, are being misinterpreted, for example, the verse you cited, In context is just Jesus simply being rhetorical. I don't have the time to explain this in depth, but the youtube channel Inspiring Philosophy has multiple videos on the Trinity, and I'd recommend you watch them to get a better understanding, maybe you could react to them for a video.
Hey Endygonewild, I apologize for the offense in my statement, I did not intend on disrespecting. I chose my words casually and did not take into consideration the sanctity of the topic and was too casual. As for what I meant, these theologians had to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity for a good few centuries, so even the Trinity itself is not as clear as one may claim it is. Even the nature of Christ was debated because of the contradictory passages. I agree that what supports the divinity of Christ is tradition. But in a Trinitarian sense on Jesus being equal to the father, this is not clear from a non Christian reading of the New Testament. We will look into the channel you recommended. -Rohaib
Wow I'm incredibly impressed by how these two men and especially the one on the right is so knowledgeable about small details of the christian faith, even though they are muslim!
I believe that the israelite priests would eat from the sacrificed animals in the temple and Jesus' use of bread and wine at the last supper (to represent his body and blood) was analogous to him being the sacrificial lamb, and his priests (the aposltes) eating of the sacrifice. So not really pagan in that sense, although I can see how they appear similar.
Hey Pickguard1, thanks for the information! Very interesting… it is very different from Islamic belief for sure, still need to look more into the Eucharist and it’s history for sure, it does seem similar to pagan practices as you said but we are open to new info 😃 -Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS Also, Catholics and Lutherans say that it really is God because that's what Christ narrated in the Bible - see John 6. As they say "Is means 'Is'". The metaphorical interpretation didn't really exist until the 1800s. You maybe could look up the difference between "substance" and "accidents", there are some good videos out there on this topic. The "eating of God" has to do with the passover lamb, which takes away sins - according to Jewish tradition. To really understand Christianity you have to have a good background on the messianic prophecies in Judaism.
@@kingmarlin5043"the metaphor didn't exist until" incorrect, it was always viewed as metaphorical, but leading to a "spiritual presence", rather than the presence of the son. Keep in mind your view was only one of many within the catholic church UNTIL the reformation happened. Catholics were losing popularity and had to make themselves distinct, that's when they changed a bunch of beliefs from "maybe this, maybe that" to "if you don't believe this you're a heretic fit for the fire". So no, the metaphorical view of communion is not from 1800, that's ridiculous.
Glad you are interested in our vids Nicholas. We will definitely make more Islamic centered videos as well as reactions to Christian belief. We have a couple things in the works so stay tuned. -Rohaib
About the doctrine of justification. The bible says that we are saved by faith alone, because works can't justify us, they can't make us holy, we always fail ("our greatest works are like filthy rags before God"). That why we need a Savior, which is Jesus. But yes, works are also important. The bible says that "faith without works is dead". How does it work? A person is saved by believing in Christ, they are regenerated by the holy spirit, are born again. They receive a new nature from God that is aligned with his will. Then, a genuine christian, with those new desires will go on to do good works. Matthew 7 talks about how the bad tree has bad fruits and the good tree has good fruits. And how you can't find good fruit in bad trees. So, salvation is only by faith alone, BUT, someone who has truly been born again WILL have good works as a consequence of that transformation. It's faith = salvation + works That's a difference between protestants and Catholics. Because Catholics believe that its faith + works = salvation Protestants don't believe that simply because it's not biblical Also, we still have that carnal nature that desires what is opposed to God. So we can fall and sin again. But there's always true repentance. And it's a progressive work of the holy spirit within the person ("He who began a good work on you will finish it"), so they will keep growing in holiness and feeding the spirit and fighting against the flesh.
Hey Haíra, this was an interesting breakdown that other Protestant friends of mine have provided. I think this is more representative of the Christian faith then lots of other Protestant beliefs out there. Not excluding the importance of works but not fully relying on it. Thanks for your input! -Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS I think that too. For me, real historical Christianity is about that. Following God's revelation of Bible, as it is his written word. The scripture also puts the church, not as an institution, but as a gathering of believers. Like one body, Christ is the head and we are the members, voluntarily submitted to his leadership.
Hi, I just want to clarify the praying to the saints and the Virgin Mary as a Catholic. I will admit that it is similar to a prayer but there is a bit of a difference. Prayer generally involves a God or an object of worship, so for the catholic point of view, that would be just God. The communing with the Saints and Mary is more so a request for guidance from the human beings who have most closely walked the path of God. They are the pinnacle, in the Catholic view, of piety amongst humans and Catholics refer to their example. In the Catholic sacrament of Confirmation, we are now seen as fully grown adults in the eyes of the church, and we take a saint name to try to emulate a chosen saint and live our lives by their example.
Hey, we completely understand y’all’s viewpoint on that. It’s just our Muslim viewpoint that asking anyone other than god for anything is considered Shirk, the biggest sin in Islam. For example, we don’t ask our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for anything, only God. So that’s why we have that viewpoint, hope it makes sense. Full respect to all our Christian brothers and sisters. -Hamza
I’m a little confused as to how this works. Granted, I am not a Catholic, nor am I a Muslim, I am a Protestant. But even so, I feel like something has to be not quite right here. From what I know, Shirk is Islam’s interpretation of idolatry. Generally, Christians view idolatry as attempting to use things which are not god to fill the hole left by stepping away from him. As I understand it, in Islam, Shirk is a very literal interpretation of this, and the presupposition is that when we commit idolatry, we not only subconsciously are trying to replace god’s divine nature, but we literally begin ascribing godlike attributes to things that are not god. That’s why Shirk can encompass both idolatry and polytheism, whereas in Christianity, usually those are thought of as separate problems. (Though, I think there’s a real Pearl of wisdom which I believe has it’s roots in Judaism, that idolatry is the root of all sin, as every time we sin, we by definition are putting something inappropriate above god. My pastor told me this once, and I find it a very interesting way to think about things) Back to the topic at hand. As I understand it (and keep in mind this is my view as an outsider) Catholics, when they pray to saints, aren’t asking for a spiritual grant. It’s more of a request for knowledge or guidance. Surely Islam does not forbid students to ask for wisdom from teachers or experts? I think this “teacher pupil” relationship is what Catholics are talking about. It just so happens that these experts are no longer alive on earth. Not so much a prayer to grant spiritual clarity, but rather a conversation to ask how to attain it. So while I understand that asking mortals, however pious, for things that are only God’s to give, I don’t think that’s what Catholics are doing when they pray to the saints. I really enjoy these videos. I think that it’s important, particularly in the modern west, for people of Abrahamic faiths to find common ground. While there are obviously huge, fundamentally insurmountable theological differences between us, there are also enough shared commonalities to build a shared moral framework, one that recognizes the shortcomings of the civilization around us. In talking with muslims, I realize that while our views about the nature of God are very different, often our views about the sorts of good people he wants us to be are the same. I hope we can continue to understand each other more, not just so that we can experience opinions that differ, but so that we feel comfortable when we find those opinions that do not differ. Peace be with you both!
muslims send blessings to muhammad when they pray. they usually always involve him in their prayers. the catholics aren't any better because they are praying to dead people.
As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.
Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️
Actually traditional Lutherans and Calvinists would accord completely with your description of the relationship between faith and works. The Bible even says in the book of James Chapter 2, "Faith without works is dead". Works do not earn salvation, but rather they are the proof of faith. They are not how we are saved but but how we *know* if we are saved. They are the outward proof of the inward state of the heart. So someone who claims to be Christian but is living an un-Christian and sinful life clearly has no real saving faith. The problem is 'faith alone' is misunderstood by many people to mean what you were saying, that you just need to have some kind of nominal adherence to Christianity and you're going to heaven no matter what you do. But the Bible in the epistles of the Apostle Paul specifically condemns those who would use faith/grace as a pretext or licence to sin. And its interesting, the way you describe the Islamic understanding of predestination and free will it sounds similar to the Arminian position within Protestantism, whereby God foreordains who will go to Heaven and Hell, based on His foreknowledge of how they will choose to respond to the call of salvation.
Thanks for the clarification on “faith alone” and the pointing out the similarities of predestination with the Arminian position, very interesting to learn! -Hamza
Yeah, I grew up Baptist, and simply put faith is necessary and works just show that your faith is true. Good works are works of the Holy Spirit in us guiding us. Salvation of the soul and afterlife have less to do with God works in the sense that heaven is not meritable. And that's a pretty big core in Baptist theology, one can't earn salvation but their good deeds can be seen as a reflection of their salvation.. It's the result of faith and not an absolute requirement. Of course this becomes a pretty big issue when talking about murder and more serious sins against humanity where at that point you just hope the murderer doesn't sincerely believe and only says he does for fear of the afterlife and not because of Jesus dying for the sins of humanity. It's supposed to be pretty altruistic of Jesus and very humble of you to say you're unworthy of heaven although it does carry Calvinistic ideas of self-hatred in a slightly more palatable way. 😂 We, in essence, do good for the sake of good, God, humanity, and integrity. And never salvation. Salvation is separate from good works so that we don't do good works out insincerity and fear and the self-benefit but for God and humanity, and in a sense for the self as well since integrity is very internal.
I have a major respect for Muslims and Religion of Islam. One of my closest friends is Muslim and I encourage him to always stay his path and purpose. We have to Love each other and share compassion on top of paying servitude towards others and casting no judgement as we all make mistakes. What do we do with the experience? I’ve been all over the place when it comes to Christianity since I was kid I was confused just like you. I’ve come to terms that I’ll will try my absolute hardest to be righteous and stick to the commandments. For my fellow Christian family bless your Muslim brothers as well. God Bless us all!! Inshallah!! ❤
@@MuslimMindsUS I appreciate both of your time,generosity,vulnerability to be open-minded to the other Abrahamic Religions. Been binging and watching your videos since this one 🙏🏾keep informing us many more people need to be informed especially In the U.S
@@MuslimMindsUS I appreciate both of your time,generosity,vulnerability to be open-minded to the other Abrahamic Religions. Been binging and watching your videos since this one 🙏🏾keep informing us many more people need to be informed especially In the U.S
Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️
Hi guys, I'm Lía, from the city of Rosario in Argentina. My native language is Spanish so I am going to use Google Translate. Let's hope there are no errors. A medieval tradition tells the following story: One day Saint Augustine (philosopher, theologian and saint of the Catholic Church) was walking along the seashore, turning over in his head many of the doctrines about the reality of God, one of them the doctrine of the Trinity. Suddenly, he looks up and sees a beautiful child, who is playing in the sand, at the edge of the sea. He watches him more closely and sees that the boy runs towards the sea, fills the bucket with sea water, and returns to where he was before and empties the water into a hole. So the child does it over and over again. Until Saint Augustine, immersed in great curiosity, approaches the child and asks him: "Hey, child, what are you doing?" And the boy answers: "I am taking all the water out of the sea and I am going to put it in this hole." And Saint Augustine says: "But, that is impossible." And the child responds: "It is more impossible to try to do what you are doing: Try to understand the mystery of God in your little mind."
In short, it is not necessary for us to understand God. In fact it is impossible for our human minds because the finite can never encompass the infinite. What we can do is spiritually experience the divine nature. How do we do it? LOVING. God is love. Love is the key to the kingdom of Heaven. That is why Jesus said: "I leave you only one commandment: love one another as I have loved you."
7:53: One way I like to think of the Trinity as being 3 in 1 is like us humans: Body + Mind + Soul are 3 separate entities but they are combined to make 1 person. Or another way of explaining it is if you have 3 drops of water and combine them they become one. Hope this helps :)
That's the heresy of partialism. Not my opinion, not a Christian, but the official stance is that what you just described is enough to be thrown out of the church (for many denominations)
@@captainpandabear1422Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
@captainpandabear1422 Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️
You should do UsefulCharts' series on Christian denominations too. It goes more into the history of these groups. It is divided in 8 episodes. There are also two upcoming episodes on the denominations of Judaism and Islam.
The trinity is the father, Son, and Holy Spirit which is the one God.. God is a generic term for nature not person.. three distinct persons.. this doesn’t equate to three distinct beings since they partake within the same nature.
I hate when they try to compare Christianity and Islam together like ofc they’re gonna have different beliefs they’re literally different religions ofc they’re different
As a Catholic, love the reaction to the church. I’ve been currently reading things like The Book of Mormon and the Qur’an since they claim to be a final revelation from God Y’know, and I gotta say that Islam compared to Mormonism makes more sense but still a bit skeptical. Love watching your vids, helps me know more
As an Anglo-Catholic Christian who draws heavily on theological aspects of Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy, I can honestly say I love this video so much. I have the utmost respect for Muslims and Islam in general, though I disagree with some elements, a common morality can usually be found. I am very curious to learn more about the Sunni-Shia divide and the different islamic schools. The major thing many non-Muslim Americans seem to collectively obsess over is Jihadism, Wahhabism, and how these interpretations of the Qur'an affected various caiphates throughout history and things that affected the Iranian Revolution of 1979 or the Ottoman Empire dealing with the Umayyad Caliphate. I will definately subscribe and am eager to watch more videos to educate myself through your words.
5:44 as a catholic whos studying and looking to convert to orthodox christianity, the trinity is something that you can't think about too much because its something so complex and would only confuse you the more you try wrapping your head around it comparisons/metaphors usually lead to heresy and trying to demonstrate it would only leave to endless debates on god's nature rather than what god actually is the one thing that helped me grasp the trinity is taking in what the trinity means in its most basic form god is one body, one essence god has three persons that are individual in nature but codependent in essence the father creates, the son redeems, the holy spirit guides another way of explaining it is that god (the father) is eternal, his word (son) and spirit are also eternal, since god didnt create his word or spirit they share the same essence, god his word and his spirit united as a triunity, or trinity the persons can interact with each other, but its not three separate gods interacting with another jesus (gods word) came to earth fully human but with divine essence from the father through the holy spirit i get that this is really confusing no matter how you try to understand, but its hard to understand because we're comparing the nature of god to the nature of his creation, and thats to say that god cannot be more than his creation, creations of only one nature, one person i also get that with every explanation of the trinity, it only leads to more questions and this is really where faith and oneness with god comes into play, and faith is something you cant really force upon people (im not making the implication that the rest is entirely up to faith nor that you two "dont have the faith" to understand) i hope this helps brothers, i also studied islam and i respect your guys efforts to learn about different beliefs/religions and i appreciate the open mindedness as-salamu alaykum
Great video! I love talking with Muslims about religion because they know a good amount about what they are talking about and actually care about the truth. The most clear evidence that Jesus claims to be God would be in Mark 14:62, Jesus said, "Yes, I am he, and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the power of God, the Powerful One, and coming on the clouds of heaven." This is because Daniel 7:13-14 says “the Son of Man will come in a white cloud with power and great glory, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” Also I find it interesting that Muslims always seem to say they don’t believe Jesus is A God. In Christianity Jesus isn’t a God he is just God along with the rest of the Trinity. I think the language of A god is taught to make Christian’s sound polytheist. I’m sure someone has mentioned it but the book seeking Allah finding Jesus is amazing. If you could review that book I would love to hear a Muslims response to why it’s wrong!
Appreciate the kind words Caleb, I will try and look into that book sometime soon. Please be sure to subscribe to the channel, will really help us grow! -Hamza
First of all, great video! Even though I disagree with your viewpoints, I think you did a great job being charitable and good faith. The same channel that released this video also did one where he explains the trinity called "The Trinity explained in 5 minutes" and I would be very interested to hear your opinion about that.
Hey Nova, thanks for watching and sharing feedback! Like mentioned in the video, we are here to learn, not criticize other religions or views, so we appreciate you pointing that out! That sounds interesting, we will definitely check it out and get that video out soon, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss it!
Gentlemen, thank you for this video. I found it very interesting to hear your opinions on the subject matter. In my life I've probably had more Muslim friends than from any other religion (as a Christian.) We've always gotten along well and have shown respect ... which is key, and which is what you all did here. I was brought up in the Church of the Nazarene (it would be under the Holiness section and came from the Methodists.) As an adult I felt it was not as closely representative of my belief and experience as would be The Anglican/Episcopalian Church so I changed denominations around the age of 30. I respect all major religions that seek truth, seek to do good, and that point in the direction of God. I think it is not my place to judge another person's journey in faith but is up to me to be the best person I can be within my own experience. In the Bible it states that God is Love ... God IS love ... so love must be of utmost importance. Loving God and neighbor seems to me to be the two most important commandments. To me as a Christian the miracle of Christ and the reason we worship Him is that we believe God came to experience humanity on earth through Christ. That God could do such a thing for humanity is itself a miracle. The fact that Islam acknowledges Jesus I think is beautiful although I understand it is on the level of a prophet. I wonder what you all think of something we hear sometimes in a more modern viewpoint about what is called "The Christ Consciousness." Would be interesting to hear your view on that. Thank you again for a kind and thoughtful review of Christian denominations. There were some that were also new to me too, so I found that additionally educational. Salam, Tim
Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say, “let the Lord rescue him.(R) Let him deliver him,(S) since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤ Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself. Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs. More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
Methodist here! Salaam, brothers of the book! To explain the trinity, as I have studied and understand it, it is known as the three in one. God can be whatever God wants to be, but this is his nature as we Christians have come to understand it. -God the Father is the supreme God-head, the Father in heaven who reigns over all things, and the one we are all subservient to. He is the one all people of the book are familiar with. -God the Son, is God made flesh in the form of Jesus. The Christ (aka Jesus Christ) is the messianic figure who was God born into the form of a human, and the sublime and perfect example of what humans are meant to be. This was God's way of interacting with mankind in order to directly give us his new commands. As there were the ten commandments handed down to Moses from God in the Old Testament, the Tanakh in Judaism, God as Jesus gave unto the world his new commands of love, reconciliation, and forgiveness of one's enemies. In the old Jewish faith, sacrifices of animals, particularly lambs, were required in the temples, to purify God's worshippers and allow their sins to be forgiven. As such, Jesus is often referred to as "the Lamb of God", because the sacrifice of the holiest blood was the final sacrifice that needed to be made for mankind's sins to be washed away forever. With the sacrifice of Jesus upon the cross, Jews no longer needed to sacrifice living creatures to be forgiven. The worshippers of God must simply repent to Him to be forgiven for their sins. There is much more to it, but I'm trying to simplify for a single post. -God the Holy Spirit is the piece of God within all living things. It is the driving force of the universe that connects us to the Father and Son which make us holy in return. It is what allows us to be able to commune directly with the Lord, and is also the most mysterious aspect of God. The trinity is the closest way we as Christians have come to understand the true nature of God's existence, and while specifics may differ across denominations, the core of it all remains the same. Peace be upon you, brothers. Praise be to God and the prophets who brought His word to humanity.
The Trinity-or more likely the duality-is an enigma. One can either take it as something inherently contradictory, or simply as a Zen like mystery in which God is both one and dual.
Orthodox Christianity is the first one, even according to the video with History of Christianity in a nutshell. Then, part of the Church changed the concept of the Trinity (Filioque) and added the Purgatory. Orthodox rejected it but the reformers couldn t accept it and split from the original. These are the Catholics. I have to make the following statements too: 1. Jesus will come back on Earth to judge, according to both Christianity and Islam. There is the thing though: only God can judge. 2. In John 17:5, Jesus tells Yahweh (The Father) to worship Him as He worshipped His Father on Earth (note: the word "Son" is not referring to being a physical "son"). No prophet would do that because that would mean blasphemy against God. The 17th chapter in John is even called "The prayer for self." . Now, are we going to question God's actions? Jesus is not Yahweh but He is God. There are three persons in one essence/being. And Jesus has two natures. One human, and one divine. But He is yet one person. 3. When someone asks for the explanation of christian verses, it is VERY important to know which interpretation to look into. In order to do that the right way, we have to find out what interpretation of the bible verses is the oldest. So, for that, we got to look into the church history. I recommend an orthodox bible study book. 4. The Holy Communion goes way back to when Jesus gave His apostles the bread and the red wine (which Jesus called them as His body and blood) to let them have part in His light, in His Kingdom, to not lose the eternal life. (I am not referring to work-based salvation 100% - I need an orthodox fellow to help me with that). 5. Jesus was the only sinless Man to ever live on Earth. Saying that God doesn t need to become a human in order to bless the humanity and change the covenant, judges the way God intended everything to be. God is all powerful, so He can become a human as well. 6. Abraham, Moses and all the other succesors after them worshipped in Liturgy, with insence. I would love to see you guys reacting to more church history , from the first 7 councils until now. History is very interesting. Much love, fellas! 💙
Christian here to explain "faith alone" basically means that only by faith can you get to heaven or be with god and you cant do a check list to get their. HOWEVER if someone's faith is true usually you would see them doing works such as charity and feeding the poor because since their faith in god is true and they follow his word they would want to do the good he ask us to do. So that's why its more important to focus on ones faith because once you have it works will come later out of a desire not just to get to heaven but because you actually have the love in your heart and care/ want to do it for no other reason then because you know its the right thing to do and it can serve the lord. As an example Faith alone: a friend comes and helps you fix your washing machine because your his friend Works: A handy man comes and does it because you paid him 20 bucks. Both are good and produce good but done for different reasoning. Ones love for your friends the other is a transaction. With the transaction being heaven.
17:35 The book of James says the same thing basically. It says faith without works is dead (and dead faith is not a saving faith). It also says that we can see that Abraham was justified by faith and works (and James is using the word justification differently that Paul). Most Protestants can easily affirm justification by faith (as Paul says) even faith alone (as the Reformers emphasized) and that Abraham was justified by faith and works because works prove (i.e. justify) your faith to be true faith.
James actually says nothing about dead faith not being saving faith. That's a common misinterpretation, but you are thinking of the word justification. Justification in this context in James does not refer to being justified in the eyes of the lord, but rather in the sense of justifying an argument. You justify your faith by your actions, if you do not act question then how can you justify saying you are saved? It is less that if you do work then you are saved, it is more that if you are saved then you will do work.
The trinity is pretty easy to explain: 1. We are 3 dimensional beings with limitations, God is not. Just like a drawing cannot understand the third dimension, depth, we cannot understand the 4th and 5th etc. dimensions. God can do and be as He pleases, so you understanding does not change God's reality. 2. Like a cube is depth, hight, and width, but it is one cube, God is 3 in one. All are cube themselves, but all 3 are the cube. They are not split, they are all cube, but together they are one cube. 3. Some say 1+1+1=3, but God is not finite, God is infinite, so it should be ∞+∞+∞=∞, or since God is above us, 1x1x1=1, 1/1/1=1. All of our explanations are imperfect because we are finite creatures within creation, but God is infinite as you know. Could a two-dimensional creature truly understand the concept of the third dimension? No, but he can represent depth with slanted lines, like the 3d box illusion we all drew in school.
To answer the question about the Trinity… God is infinity itself, He is the First, Last, and Always. Through Him all things were created (and He created all things from Himself & for Himself) this is why He can never leave us or forsake us, this is why to love God you must love people, & this is how the Trinity can be 3 in one.
How I understand the trinity.... This is an analogy, Lets say The ocean is God. Now You take 2 vessels and fill both with ocean water, now all of the ocean, cannot be contained in either contaiber, one is God who came in the Flesh as Jesus ( Flesh is called sons of God) and the other vessel is the Holy Spirit, that is poured into the Hearts of believers, and all attributes Of God is in the Holy Spirit. That covers the weakness of the Flesh and we rely on his strength, that comes through the Holy Spirit. God is great and vast. That all the earth cannot contain God The Almight. Thank you for your video i really enjoyed.❤
Hello Micheller1210, thanks for sharing the analogy! You mentioned that the Holy Spirit makes up for the weakness of the Flesh, which is the Son… If the Son is weak then the Trinity concept doesn’t exactly make sense since we’ve learned that all parts of the Trinity are co equal AND all powerful independent from each other… Not trying to come off rude at all, just from what we learned from this video and the “Trinity explained” video on our channel, your analogy doesn’t make 100% sense? Let me know your thoughts as well if I’m incorrect! -Hamza
Hey Micheller this is a pretty good example, the problem is that the father son and Holy Spirit according to the agreed interpretation of the Trinity are fully God. Meaning the vessels themselves have to equal the ocean with all its properties, size, and characteristics, again due to the Trinitarian doctrine claiming that each three heads of the Trinity are all fully God. Another issue is the father son and spirit are not the same as each other and have different characteristics so the three vessels of water would have to differ. -Rohaib
It's not about size, it's the Authority , however like I said it's an analogy..... It's a very confusing, but then it's not, lol have to just trust and pray for a better understanding.😅 🙏🏼 Thanks 😊
@@MuslimMindsUS About the Flesh I was talking about Mankind We have weaknesses and we ask The Holy Spirit to infill us in the Name of Jesus . And no I didn't take what you were saying as rude You were just asking about clarification .... Also There are some Christian that would say oneness and not the trinity, I myself don't get caught up in linguistic wars 😮😂
You guys should react to the “Arian heresy/ Arianism.” It was an early form of Christianity that had views of Jesus closer Islam’s view of Jesus (and what lots of academic scholars believe helped form Islam). It ultimately was stamped out at the council of Nicaea as a heresy
A thing to remember is that the protestant reformation (which was started by Martin Luther and the guy who started Calvinism) started because the Catholic church at the time were saying you can buy your way into heaven.
Yes I think I remember them being called “indulgences” right? So with that fact you shared, are you saying that the Protestant reformation and the denominations that come from them are in a way “less valid” than maybe the earlier denominations? Since indulgences seemed weird when I learned about it. Looking forward to your response Knight of BlackFyre!
@@MuslimMindsUS yeah they were called indulgences if I'm remembering right. I wouldn't say they were less valid, one of Luther's points was that the Bible should be readable to anyone and not just the Priests and preachers that were taught Latin to read it. Before the reformation the only Christians that could read the Bible were the Church and maybe the Nobility/royalty. At the very least the reformation has made it so anyone could read the Bible. And, and I might be wrong on this as it's been a long while since I've even thought about it, the Popes did launch some crusades against other sects of Christiany such as the Cathars. For the life of me I can't remember anything about the Cathars besides that they had very little in common with Catholicism. Anglicanism I would say is less valid for the fact that it was created by Henry the 8th as the result that the pope wouldn't allow a annulment of Henry's first marriage and that his mistress and next wife was a protestant so Henry made his own church. I apologize if this wasn't coherent it's almost midnight and I'm tired.
@@knightofblackfyre7950 Wow, very interesting information, we never knew this!! Reformationists starting the Bible being able to be read by everyone is definitely a good thing in our eyes.
Wrong. Indulgences were a way of "donating" money to the church to lessen your time in purgatory. According to Catholic believe, you don't enter heaven immediately, if you didn't confess and repent for your venial sins. You go through a purifying process that takes place in purgatory to cleanse your soul before entering heaven. The length of this purification process is dependant on the amount and gravity of the sins commited. But being in purgatory means that you are already destined for heaven. The church didn't say that you can commit mortal sins without repenting and still get to heaven even when buying indulgences. That being said, I'm pretty sure the church admitted that the selling of indulgences was wrong and stemmed from corruption, but it isn't anywhere as bad as you make it seem.
@@nova-fk8dh that wasn't how it was taught to me but granted I grew up Baptist. I was going off what I remembered so i apologized if I got indulgences wrong. I wasn't aware of the purgatory part so thank you for that information.
Great video, I love learning about other religions and perspectives. I am a Lutheran and have a correction, we do not believe as the Catholics do that the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Christ. We do believe that Christ is specially and specifically present in the bread and wine and is more than just symbolic. We also believe in Faith Alone you will be saved but if you truly have that faith you will then do God's will and give good works.
The Trinity was explained to me like a 3 leaf plant: Each leaf is not the same as the other leaf. But all leaves belong to the same plant. The leaf is not the plant, nor is it the same leaf as the other two. So, Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are separate parts. But they all belong to the same entity.
Hey Thomas, we reacted to the Trinity explained in 5 minutes, around the 10 minute mark we learned that this belief is heretical and called "partialism". th-cam.com/video/88seBpWDDaU/w-d-xo.html Let me know what you think... Thanks for the comment! -Hamza
Some of the things that you are expressing at 25:13 is exactly the reason there is Protestantism. (Also, BTW, you express very well both the Christian and Islamic view that it is God's mercy that saves us ultimately, and not anything we do.)
To answer you question about faith, as a Baptist ( who is also a part of the Southern Baptist Convention which is basically like a so called "confederation of churches" that is very missions minded and is often times under a lot of controversy due to corrupt and immoral actions by some of its leaders, many of the U.S. states also have their own conventions including my own), this is my best interpretation to explain it. Your belief and trust, which is your faith, will dictate your actions. That's not to say your going to do wrong and sin because we are human after all, but its your faith in Christ that saves you. There's a process that I was taught called the ABCs, A-Admit your a sinner, B- Believe that Christ is who he says he is through his crucifixion and resurrection, C- confession with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord. Of course many Christians abuse this and think they can go on sinning, but we know that will always sin everyday, again being human but we know that Christ was perfect and that his death on the cross and resurrection covered all our past and future sins and through our faith in Christ we will be saved from death and have eternal life in heaven with him. Its after this that you are Baptized to publicly display your faith. Hope this helps!
Hey guys, great video. I love videos where Christian’s and Muslims interact with each others faith. One thing I wanted to call out/bring your attention to is that there’s a sect of Christianity (a very small sect, but still) of Christianity called “biblical Unitarians” that do not believe that Jesus is God. They reject the trinity. They, similar to Muslims, believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the savior, the “final Adam” but they do not believe he is God in human form. They essentially interpret the scriptures in a way that Jesus is a messenger for god- he brings about the word and essence of god.. but is not actually God. This is of course highly controversial to many traditional Christian’s, so they’re generally cast out as “not real Christian’s.” I wouldn’t go as far as say I agree with them, but they do bring up a good point in my opinion/experience where if you just read the New Testament with no outside preconceived notions -you would come away with it that God is god, and Jesus is the son of God. Two distinct people with the father being higher than the son. They argue you have to read the trinity into the scriptures instead of seeing the trinity come out of it. But anyways, again great video guys!
Thank you ! That was really interesting. I live in a country that was traditionally very christian (calvinist), but not so much anymore. I was not raised into a religion, but after my searching into religion and other spirituality, chose for christian belief. I do appreciate that you, from your islamic view, gave a sincere overview and comment about christianity and its branches. For, one thing, there are a lot of muslims in my country now, and my elder/oldest sister is now among them, and had (with real effort on my side) a lot of contact with muslims. There is a lot in this video that i feel inclined to react/discuss about some points. But, here is not probably a good place to get in a discussion about theological issues... But, now, here, some points of mine : I do see the "trinity" dogma as a way to express something complicated, not to be taken too seriously (I might not be Nicean by saying this), though i do i do align with the (mainline) protestant christian church. i do appreciate your challenge on trinity. However, i do not like your attack on "sola fide"... You did not mention "sola fide" directly, and blamed it to the reformed/calvinists, and while my ancestors might have taken this to another level, but this was one of the 3 basic tenets of Martin Luther ("sola gratia, sola fide, sola scriptura"), it never meant for any believer, that you could do bad things, very many traditional christians in the Netherlands, i.e. dutch reformed/calvinist, were active in dutch resistance during german (Nazi) ocuupation in WW-II, 1940-'45, many others were too, but how can you claim that "sola fide" leads to not taking responsibility ? ? Oc, i take now that you might be talking from a USA-situation? The "white evangelicals" in the US might not be talking from a standpoint that is acceptable for christians/protestants in Europe or even for non-white evangelicals in the US. Sorry that "we" (people aligned with christianity) make things so difficult for people not aligned with christian belief. I do belief that, respectfully, as in your video, expressing our views (even if, my view seems not to align with your view), talking can bring us together.
I'm excited to find your channel, brothers. I appreciate your respectful and honest curiosity of our faith and hope these interactions bring mutual peace and prosperity to us all. I would love to see y'all's opinions on religious music, if copyright claims permit. I would especially be interested in Amazing Grace, and a Catholic hymn called On Eegles Wings, especially as performed by Chris Brunell God bless Edit: prayer in English means request. Think about Shakespeare language, where people ask for a favor with "pray thee," or "prithee." "Pray thee, does thou have the time" does not mean "oh time god, what time is it." We believe the saints are alive in heaven, with everlasting life, including Mary. Jesus said when two it more are gathered in His name, He is there. Our appeals to saints are like when we ask anyone to pray for us. "Thoughts and prayers for our family, grandmother is at the hospital" does not mean "my friend and family on Facebook, we think you are gods, save my grandma." Saints and Mary are not divine. They don't stand in for God. They are our friends who help us, people touched by God who serve as role models and avenues to faith. Prayer is not the same as worship, the words have been conflated in modern language in a way that does not actually reflect the theology. Our relationship to the saints and Mary is more similar to your relationship to Mohammed than not.
In our Nicene creed, we say Christ was begotten, not made, and since this is a 1800 year old Creed this point about how can God make himself must be a very old one.
Very impressed with the start of this video guys, you've been genuinely curious and fair in at least attempting to understand things like the trinity instead lf outright denying it. You havent made any cheap shots or eye rolling jokes or showed a bias. Big kudos for being genuine, i wish we could speak over at a cafe or something. I agree, the trinity is a difficult thing to get some to understand fully, but i think the reason people use analogy and metaphor to describe it, is exactly because using formal language is hard for the uninitiated. The trinity itself almost became a necessity, as the use of the word "God" ,and its "spirit" became more evident which implied atleast 2 active agents, and yet they seemed to be connected and the same in their core reception In the beginning *God* created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the *Spirit* of *God* was hovering over the waters. Then we add :- In the beginning was the *Word*, and the *Word* was with *God*, and the *Word* was *God*. 2 *He* was with *God* in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." So in these to opening verses of genesis and john, you see God, Spirit of God, Word of God. These are interconnected, and some more images to help understand a bit more, think of a graph that has multiple axis, all of them are separate, but intersect in the middle point. Our universe is multidimensional, in the sense that we can be a son, father and brother, all different roles but interconnected by the singularity which is yourself. A coin is a single object but it has three distinct surfaces, two faces and a side. 2 rivers come out of a mountain spring, all are separate but are connected by the shared source of water. I hope these help, and yes i agree that it can seem like mental gymnastics, but heres a question. You as muslims think that Gods essence would be too hard for us to take or understand? Well the trinity, if its kind of makes sense but not really to you, then perhaps thats exactly true? Its beyond human comprehension because we exist in a 3D dimension. But God has multiple dimensions availibe to him. Just a thought, keep it up guys!
here's one thing y'all absolutely speak facts, and where i think the muslims are a lot closer to the truth then protestants, and i say that as a Orthodox Christian, is Works, the Bible in the Book of James actually says: "Faith without Works, is Dead" as it is! so yes Works are just as important as Faith. aswell as what y'all say about the Pope, that he has absolutely no authority is absolutely true aswell. Christ has Risen. God Bless. ☦
The Lutheran view is called Consubstantiation and does not mean that the bread and wine is turned into the literal body and blood of Christ (the Catholic view), but with the blessing of the elements, Jesus becomes spiritually present in the elements and can give you strength.
8:31 actually the Trinity is in the Old Testament, the Old Testament had the Lord, the Angel of the Lord, and the Spirit of the Lord. A big example of this is when God speaks to Moses in the burning bush, it says the Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses, but then the Angel says "I am the God of your fathers".
Hey guys, thanks for making such a great video. I'm an agnostic now, but I used to be Catholic and then an Anglican. Here's my explanation of the Trinity: The Trinity is made of three parts, who are all God in equal parts. On part of the Trinity is God the Father, who, for me, is the God from the Old Testament/Jewish Bible. Then there is Jesus; even though Jesus is the Son of God, he is also on the same level as God. Finally, there is the Holy Spirit, who inspires us humans. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all equal, different, and God! Part of Christianity is accepting we will never understand this. I hope this clears things up a little. If not let me know. Similarly, if you disagree, let me know! it's good to debate this stuff.
Hey Martin, thanks for the explanation!! Well, for Muslim we simply believe in God/Allah and nothing else, just plain monotheism. I understand that Christian’s also believe in “monotheism” as y’all would say but in the form of the Trinity. But for us it’s difficult since monotheism in Islam makes rational sense, but as you said, you have to accept the Trinity maybe “doesn’t make sense”… that’s what it seems from what I read from your comment and other explanations so far. Interesting to jeer of your religious journey Martin and appreciate the comment!! 😁 -Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS From another catholic, that´s it exactly! It does not make rational sense, we will never be able to grasp it. However, this is not a weakness in the theological theory, because it does not claim to be completely rational, and sometimes relies on pure faith in order to believe truths beyond our understanding. For me, it´s a beautiful recognition of our limitations as humans as compared to God. It´s a claim that by faith only in Him we accept His essence, our flawed reason is not enough. As you put it, it is quite literally believing 3=1, if God claims it, or there existing a square circle. On this matter, we detach ourselves from logic. After all, it may be incomplete or deficient in ways logic itself cannot grasp (for a two-dimensional being, for example, a sphere is an impossible shape). All three persons are God, and God is one. In that sense, you can also see how the claim is truly, irrationally, strictly monotheistic. On the matter of Himself, we humble ourselves by completely giving up the best method of knowing we have, reason, which pales in comparison to His greatness. Hope that makes sense. They key takeaway is that the Trinity indeed doesn´t make sense, and that is what makes it so beautiful.
I am raised Catholic then my father turned Muslim; I told my dad that "works" are filthy rags before God. The Lamb of God is needed (sacrifice) with it to be pleasing before God. *Sanguis Cristi + grace + genuine repentance +(if there's opportunity) works= saves
For us Catholics The dogma of the Holy Trinity is the belief that there is one God who exists in three distinct Persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. These three Persons are not separate gods; they are all one and the same God but in different forms or manifestations. Think of it like water. Water can exist as a liquid (like when we drink it), as a solid (like ice), and as a gas (like steam). Even though water appears differently in these three states, it's still fundamentally water. Similarly, God exists in three Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - but is still one God.
30:12 Yep. Catholics believe that St. Peter was probably the most "flawed" of the apostles and yet Jesus chose him to build his church on. So there's obvious "precedent" that God works through imperfect people.
Hey kv, why do Catholics believe Peter is the most flawed of the apostles? Based of the Bible? Thanks, make sure to subscribe so we can put out more videos!! :) -Hamza
From the Lutherans "The Trinity is a mystery which cannot be comprehended by human reason but is understood only through faith and is best confessed in the words of the Athanasian Creed, which states that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity, neither confusing the Persons nor dividing the substance, that we are compelled by the Christian truth to confess that each distinct Person is God and Lord, and that the deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coequal in majesty." Credit to Ps Hans Fiene
Hey! What's up? I'm a Protestant, and I found your channel through Redeemed Zoomer. You know, I know, as a Protestant, that Christianity is so disagreeing because it is very dogmatic and very logical, in the sense that some people get influenced by western Philosophy and start disagreeing about what even are the essentials. The very name "Protestant" explains how the West, specially Europe and North America, developed. Luther, along with Zwingli, Calvin, Cramner, Vermingli etc. Started to protest. Nailing the theses in Wittenberg was an act of protest, and, from the Catholic perspective, an insubmission to the Church - which represents God on Earth from the Christian perspective. But that's the surface. Maybe some Muslim scholars will do the same, but the truth is: Medieval Christian Scholars were diverse. Some were mystic, some were detailistic, and not all of them would become heretics, although the ones "kicked out", as said by zoomer, are the most noticeable heretics. Catholics, because of that (even some of the Liberal ones) believe that "The One True Roman Catholic Apostolic Church" is an essential of the faith. So do Eastern Orthodox, who say they're "Catholic but Not Roman, not Not-Denominational, but Pre-Denominational, not tied, not changed, because It's Eternal". Or sth like that. But you know? IDK. Sometimes it just feels that both the RCAC (Roman Catholic Apostolic Church) and the EOAC (Eastern Orthodox Apostolic Church) have failed because of power, and then became puppets. The former, for the European Union or whatever, the latter, for the Russian Government.
I mean "logic" in the sense that A=A, if you say A=B then it suddenly seems you're talking A≠A. Maybe because Early Christians were just very good at dialetics and not very good at logic. Or the reverse. Idk anyway.
The predestination vs free will question is a hard one logically. Like most holiness/Pentecostal/Methodists I believe in our free will and our free choice. God does not decide for us, but he has foreknowledge about what choice we will make. God can see all eternity from start to finish.
As a Catholic, I felt both of you were very fair and offered well reasoned points. Some of the criticism I disagree with, but it is still fair and understandable from an Islamic perspective. I think Islam and Judaism are closer religions to each other. Orthodox are closest Christians to both, with Catholics next and most Protestants being pretty far off. As for Catholic specific points you made, I understand the Trinity being confusing. I feel its somewhat similar to Adam and Eve with Eve being created from Adam but both being separate beings. God created the Son and Holy Spirit and are of him. Pope is kinda like a modern King, and in my opinion the first Vatican counsel in 1861 created some problems because it said Pope's can't be wrong, and the more recent Pope's have started contradicting prior ones, while most prior ones were roughly the same. Saints and Mary I 100 % understand your point and think it can easily be precived as worship but its mostly emphasized that people in the after life can hear you, and its ok to ask them to also pray to god for you. Most other religions and especially Protestants I feel the explanation is a disingenuous explanation and that the prayers are subordinateing oneself to a saint, but its not the case. Mary is unique though because she was chosen for such an important task. Additionally on saints I would say at least I never encouraged to pray for their intercession.
Hey Aaron, thanks for sharing your experience as being a Catholic! Looks like the way you worship is extremely similar to Islam 🙂 Please subscribe if you haven’t, would really help our channel. -Hamza
I dont know if its too late but ill try to explain the question at 6:11 . The trinity is basically 3 forms of the one God. So Basically God manifests himself in 3 forms; The father is more or less the wise old sage at the top that runs everything, hes in charge and everyone listens to him, he's also all powerful and is the one in charge of everything, he's the zeus or the odin or the Allah to put it clearly, either way hes the big one in charge. The holy spirit is the manifestation of God's power in believers, so basically God gave believers a part of his spirit which does a lot of things such as comfort, teach and guide. He does a lot of things such as giving spiritual gifts which is a big aspect of him. Basically when you hear miracles or read some crazy thing that happened in the bible that was done by some prophet (elijah and elisha for example) it was the holy spirit acting through them. Jesus is the son of God, he is God but he's not the father nor the holy spirit. He came down to sacrifice himself for us and he's gone back to work with the father to prepare heaven for believers. Redeemed zoomer (the channel theyre watching th-cam.com/video/9f4BJgaOStI/w-d-xo.html ) has a video on it and I Tim Mackie ( th-cam.com/video/eAvYmE2YYIU/w-d-xo.html )from the bible project also has a video on it. I think those 2 videos can give you more insight into the topic
Hey Joseph, appreciate your explanation! We actually did the Trinity video by redeemed zoomer, please check it out. Also please be sure to subscribe, would really help us out! th-cam.com/video/88seBpWDDaU/w-d-xo.html -Hamza
You two did very well...I try to see " common - ness" in anything Especially regarding religion to me all major religions are similar. Im a catholic and i love orthodox and Baptist... There is similarity even between an atheist and a Muslim 😂 or a Christian
About Trinity, the explaination I like the most is this one : The Father is first, He knows everything, and so He knows Himself. This knowledge of Himself is perfect, and so it contains the Father Himself (this is perfect self-consciousness). This self-knowledge of the Father is the Son, it is also known as the Word (or Logos in greek). John 1:1 : "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Then they are two persons : The Father and the Son. Since they are both perfect and know each other is perfect, they experience and perfect and full love of each other. This love is so full, so total and perfect, that it contains God Himself in his entirety once again. So this love is also God. This is the Holy Spirit. Notice : this is a view that is mostly spread in the west of christianity (catholicism and most of protestantism). In the east (eastern orthodoxy) they consider that the Holy Spirit is only the love of the Father to the Son, and not both ways like we do.
Hello Michael, I see what you mean. However the Trinity is supposed to be co-equal in all aspects, so the body mind and spirit example does not make sense, they are not equal at all. Also you could say the spirit came first. The example isn’t fully equating…. Thanks! -Hamza
Trying to connect Christian beliefs with paganism breaks down when you read City of God by St Augustine of Hippo. He makes a very profound and sharp distinction between Christians and pagans
Hey there! Christian here. I definitely empathize with interacting with a lot of Christians that have different understanding of the trinity (Theres a great comedy video by a channel called Lutheran Satire on the bad analogies that exist out there, definitely check it out haha). The trinity is a view of God that is based on three things in scripture: One, there is only one God. Two, The father, son, and spirit are all identified as that one God. Three, the Father, Son, and Spirit are not the same persons (IE, they reference each other in the new testament so they can't just be like different manifestations of one person). So, we have to say that God the Father is coeternal with his Word and His Spirit. Similarly to the way that the eternal Quran is said to be eternal speech of God, the Word of God is eternal with Him and shares his same divine nature and participated in creation. They are not partners, but are one God, similar to how in the Sunni view Allah's word, though coeternal with him, is not a partner with Allah but rather his Speech. The chief difference is that we would say that God's eternal Word is God Himself, since there can be nothing else co-eternal with God besides Himself. The incarnation, then, is the enterring of the eternal Word into His own creation and taking on a human nature. Appreciate the video!
Hey, I am a Christian and I will try to explain TRinity as good as possible from my understanding of it. If theres any other christians that think I am wrong, then feel free to tell me. So first you need to understand that God is omnipresent. This means God can be everywhere at any time. This will be Important to understand how the father, the son and the holy spirit can exist at the same time. I believe that the father, the son and the holy spirit have a different purpose, so its easier for us to understand how the trinity works. Imagine this like an anime character, who can shapeshift into different creatures, depending on what he needs (similar to Ben 10 if you know it), but since God is omnipresent, he can be everywehere , anyway, everytime, not like this character that can be only one at a set place for a certain duration. So what are these roles? the first one, that we are going to talk about, is the father. The father is the one, that we talk to and the one, that speaks to us through the holy spirit. Next is the holy spirit. The holy spirit is the response to our prayers, the help we get from others, the way god speakts through people, to people and the good that happens. Last but defently not least is the son, Jesus. Jesus is the way god wants us to live like. Jesus is the one, that died for our sins. Jesus is our salvation. Jesus is God in human flesh. I hope that you were able to understand what I tried to explain and If you have any questions or think that I am wrong, then feel free to ask/tell me. God bless✝
Seem like I forgot to ad indicators of trinity in the bible. Here are some from the top of my head Gen,1.26; 3,22; 11,7. If you dont understand how these are indicators to trinity, then feel free to tell me.
(as of rn, I may have left some things out but in my defense im righting this right before bed lol) Hey, as a protestant, Baptist, on the topic of "by faith alone", I agree that yes there is the thought that actions speak louder than words. But, when you yourself have a relationship with the lord and you know you believe, and god knows you believe in him, it doesn't really matter, as in the gospels Jesus asks you to BELIEVE and to FOLLOW him. As followers of christ, we strive to follow the ways and teachings of jesus and the life he lead, and his ministry. What i'm trying to say is that just because you do good deeds, doesn't necessarily mean you believe, as one can do good deeds but can also be an athiest. But in contrast as a follower of christ, when one is compelled to do deeds of good, it is BECAUSE they believe. and if they truly are a follower of christ, they follow his teachings, "In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you...” for example, or also other things like helping the less fortunate. - side note, I'm not trying to imply that you guys as individuals do not believe in God just for doing good deeds! - So by faith alone for a follower of christ is part of their fulfilment and duty to the lord/jesus (wtvr u want to use). If you have faith in him, you have put faith that he is the messiah, the son of god, and the son of man, that his teachings are the word of god, that to live by them is to live like christ, to be closer to him, and they he will promise you eternal life with the father in heaven. So saying by faith alone, is to include all of these things because if someone claims to be a christian and follower of christ BUT does not try their best to live by the teachings of the TRUE jesus of the bible, who didn't have an ounce of bigotry in him, then they are a phony. To conclude my little tangent, I think it's safe to say that your actions do not prove your beliefs, but your beliefs reveal themselves upon your actions. May you interperate this how you'd like, thank you for being very respectful throughout your questions and comments! God bless y'all :D
The Trinity is considered to be the most complicated concept in Christianity. Essentially God is one being but three persons, which sound like a contradiction but here’s the thing, you have a trinity. You have a mind, body, and soul. God also has a mind, body, and soul. They are called God the Father (Yahweh), God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit. Also this same guy made a video explaining the Trinity so you can watch that too.
Hi Kvothe, thanks for your comment. The problem with describing the Trinity like this is that this analogy would be guilty of partialism which is a heresy, as one body would be made up of these separate parts such as body, mind, and soul. But on their own they are not fully human. The Trinity teaches that Jesus the father and the Spirit are all fully God. So the difference is substantial with this example and cannot apply. -Rohaib
You are a singular being. Your soul is you. Your body is you. Your consciousness is you. Your body is not your consciousness. Your consciousness is not your soul. Your soul is not your body. But these are what makes you, you. God is one in essence.
About the Faith alone concept: in the book of James in the New testament James writes about this saying that works don't save you, but they are a outward expression of your faith, so if you have faith that is alive you will have good works or actions that prove you have faith. James 2:18 (CSB) But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith by my works.
I’m a Lutheran (ELCA- the liberal ones who ordain women and LGBT as clergy). My particular denomination in the Lutheran tradition has what’s called “full communion” relationships with other liberal branches of other Protestant groups- Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Reformed, and Moravians, iirc. Full communion basically means that we consider the theological differences between our denominations to be insignificant and recognize each other’s ordinations and sacraments as valid, allowing for the possibility of sharing clergy between the denominations, while maintaining our respective traditions. Anyway, I wanted to respond to your response to Calvinists/Reformed and the whole concept of predestination. Actually, many Lutherans would say the same thing about good works as what you did. Lutheranism would say that while we are made right with God by faith alone, good works are the natural response to what God in the person of Jesus Christ has already done if a person has true faith. A person who has genuine faith will want to do good not to secure their own salvation or righteousness, but to lead others to God and to let others know what God has already done for them in His infinite love and mercy. Also, with regards to Communion, while is certainly means is- that was a sticking point between Luther and Zwingli, a Swiss Protestant reformer- Lutherans aren’t quite as literal as the Catholics. From a non-Lutheran Protestant perspective, it certainly seems so, especially if we’re talking about the Baptist churches, but the Lutheran position is consubstantiation vs the Catholics’ transubstantiation. Catholics say that while the elements of the sacrament might appear unchanged, the substance has literally been changed into the flesh and blood of Christ. Lutherans would say that Christ is certainly really present in the sacraments, which is what gives them their saving power, but we stop short of saying that by some magic the elements become literal flesh and blood.
Hey there Joseph, thanks for the info of Lutherans vs catholic belief on the sacrament. I’d agree that saying it’s the literally flesh and blood of Jesus sounds extreme, especially from a Muslim perspective. Although I can see why both denominations have their beliefs. You mentioned “ELCA”. With all due respect, why do y’all accept LGBT “preachers”, if I’m not mistaken, isn’t it considered a sin within the Bible? Of course if you’ve seen our other content, i would assume it doesn’t make you not a Christian, but do y’all opening accept those views as okay and encouraged? Just curious to learn, hopefully you can see no disrespect with my asking 😅😁 -Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS, there are a variety of opinions in the ELCA on that subject. The official statement in 2009 actually simply affirmed the status quo- it left the decision up to the local synod (basically the same thing as what Catholics would call a diocese- ELCA uses a form of episcopal polity, we have bishops, pastors, and deacons…) and/or individual congregation. There were ELCA congregations that had been celebrating same sex marriages and calling LGBT clergy, or who wanted to do so, before that time, and others who were opposed to the idea. The arguments used by many pro LGBT ELCA members include the implications of Galatians 3:28- “there is no longer Jew nor Gentile, slave or free, man or woman, because you are reconciled in Christ.” They argue that Christ came into the world to eliminate sin and that the sin condition includes the binaries and distinctions between us that can often serve as a barrier to loving our neighbor as ourselves. With regards to the passage in Leviticus forbidding homosexuality, one counter argument is that Scripture, at least not the Leviticus passage most commonly cited, never explicitly condemns lesbian relationships. In the case of Leviticus, it is silent on the matter. Thus, some of our clergy have speculated about what, exactly, the passage was referring to. Considering the cultural milieu of the ancient Israelites, there are a couple possibilities. First is that it could be condemning the temple prostitution of the Canaanite religion, and the second, likely interrelated, possibility is that it could be condemning pederasty/pedophilia, which the Greeks, in particular, who were possibly related to the Philistines, were known to engage in. Neither of which really is reflective of the relationship dynamics going on in any psychologically healthy LGBTQ relationship. The situation thus described (i.e. temple prostitution and pederasty) is also not reflective of a culture where love marriages (not saying that relationships between arranged marriage couples cannot be deeply intimate and loving and passionate, fyi- just talking about the basis for entering into marriage) are seen as normative and proper and arranged marriages are viewed with suspicion.
The Trinity is normally defined as "One Being of God, Three Divine Persons", while every human is one being and one person (to give the comparison). The Church Fathers explain the Trinity in more depth, and something that not a lot of Christians talk about is the Monarchy of the Father. In the Early Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church still, the Monarchy of the Father is given more emphasis. What the Monarchy of the Father means is that the Father is the One God and the sole source (mono arche) for the person of the Son/the Word (who emanates from the Father in the way of begetting) and the person of the Holy Spirit (who emanates from the Father in the way of spiration). Now even tho the Father is the One God, the Son and Spirit are equally Deity because of their eternal emanation from the Father. This same idea is seen in the ancient Jewish "Two Powers in Heaven" or "Many (i.e. 3) Powers in Heaven" ideas. Hope this helps, but Dr. Beau Branson explains the Early Church and Eastern Orthodox view very well in a series called "the Monarchy of the Father" on TH-cam and the late Dr. Michael Heiser (zikhrono livrakha - may his memory be a blessing) explains the Two Powers in Heaven idea in a video titled "Michael Heiser - Two Powers of the Godhead" on TH-cam.
Since the protestant reformation, and conflicts that caused, Christians tend to not war with one another. The cause for so many denominations tends to be because of one or more of these issues. 1) They have added to scripture. This can either be by using a verse or passage which is confusing, or confusing when removed from context, then adding in a lot of explanation to twist scripture. Alternatively they may claim extant sources or divine revelation to add to scripture. 2) They ignore historical context & church tradition. This is best demonstrated with progressive churches who desire to import 'modern' moral sensibilities into the church without regard for God or what scripture actually clearly says. They tend to take new modern interpretations, ignore verses, and shun almost all but the superficial tradition. 3) They ignore church tradition. The church was unified for many hundreds of years, yes there were misunderstandings, confusion, interpretations, and occasional heresy's. But all were generally able to be argued and either corrected, adopted, or put down. Generally though particular traditions, interpretations, creeds, and biblical books were agreed upon. It is not reasonable to argue that early tradition should be thrown away, though some groups may, due to old (but relatively recent) traditions. 4) They ignore historical context. Some churches hold so tightly and firmly to tradition, that they also revere traditional writings about scripture, sometimes even over a clear historical textual reading of particular verses. 5) They embrace historical context & church tradition. Such denomination tend to be criticized for not being open to new ideas, or cherry picking how they interpret scripture when in conflict with tradition or traditional extant texts.
The author of the video being watched almost all the time discusses the Protestants who stole the Bible from the Catholics and only at the end talks about real churches. It's funny. It's the same if you make a video about Islamic denominations, talking all the time about Alawites, Ahmadiyya, Bektash. Only at the end of the video is a little mention of Sunnis and Shias .
In a nutshell, I was always taught that the trinity is all God but in the different forms he can take. It’s also something that we’re taught that as humans we don’t have the capacity to fully understand. I was christened Catholic as a baby, attended a Presbyterian church as a child, a Lutheran church as a teenager, and non denominational and southern baptist churches as an adult. My extended family is Catholic, but my father left the church. I don’t agree with many of the beliefs of the southern baptist church and tend to go to the Catholic Church for questions I am interested in. My understanding of Christianity is probably a messy mix of pieces I’ve drawn from different denominations.
Faith Alone is often misunderstood as just saying you believe and that's that. Not so. 2 key points 1- The focus of faith in salvation. You cannot save yourself (just works - which may lead to boasting). Salvation was made possible by God's grace. It is a gift. Therefore, faith must come first. (Ephesians 2) 2- The definition of faith. True faith must lead to action, that is the point, so true faith must by definition lead to works. (James 2) Seems similar but there's some nuance. The Roman Church focuses on point 2 as justification for faith AND works. However, Faith Alone focuses on point 1 first and foremost - the need for true faith and humility to accept god's gift - and that point 2 is an inevitable consequence thereof.
Christian faith starts with believing that we are sinners and need redemption. Believing that Jesus Christ is God in flesh, came to earth, died as a sacrificial lamb which Abraham and Jews were told to do, and rose again to prove that he has the power to rise and can rise us; is the basic belief of Christianity. If someone believes that he/she is a Christian. Denominations do not matter except Catholicism. The reason we have all denominations on one side and Catholics on the other side because they believe in other saints/righteous people like Mary and the disciples of Jesus were special people and can help them relay/recommend their prayers to Christ the son and the Father God. All other denominations reject that and believe that Jesus is the only intermediary between God and man. It was taught by Jesus Himself. Catholicism is like Islam to protestant Christians. They’ve incorporated unbiblical rituals into their belief system, like praying to Mary or Saints like Muslims pray to Mohammad, bow down to pagan shrine Kabbah, and kiss the Blackstone believing it forgives their sins. Christians are not the only religion that has different denominations, Muslims have 71 sects, believing different islam from each other. Most common Sunni, Shiite, Ahmadiyya, etc. Differences in denominations do not change the Christian faith. They change the way Christ the son and God the Father is worshipped. Basic and essential faith in Jesus Christ is the same. Some churches think they can get more worldly blessings by worshipping with more music, more praising through gospel songs, speaking in angelic tongues, and some focus on receiving miracles. Some conservative churches believe in more Bible teaching, understanding, and following the Word of God, which is more important than worldly blessings. Bottom line: The essential faith is to believe in Jesus as their personal savior who died for their sins and rose again to prove His deity. The differences in denominations only affect how each denomination worships God, which does not affect the essential belief in Jesus. Believing in Trinity does not affect one's belief in Christianity but does affect how we view and worship God. Gay pastors and liberal churches are taking the liberty to distort the Bible and Christianity in the name of loving God because they know there are no consequences or threats from Christians; unlike Islam, who would put a stop to it by force. Holy Communion is a symbolic practice. Christians believe it identifies them with Christ. His Body as crackers as Bread of Life and His Blood as Cranberry juice is a reminder that he took the punishment and shed His blood as a sacrifice for them. To Muslims, holy communion is a pagan practice because they are ignorant of Christianity. To Christians, it is a very important reminder and has nothing to do with any pagan practice. Christians do not drink blood or eat flesh. In fact, drinking blood is forbidden in the Bible. On the other hand, in Islam, kabbalah was and is the pagan shrine, and the same rituals pagans were performing before Islam, are being performed by Muslims today. Touching/Kissing the Blackstone for forgiveness of sins and fertility purposes, is a pre-Islamic practice. Islamic sources confirm it. Vadoo, a pagan practice, performed by Sabeans’ pagan tribe before Islam. Muslims complain that no one can sacrifice for another, but they sacrifice animals every year without even knowing why they are performing animal sacrifices. Islamic sources confirm that on the day of judgment, non-Muslims would be substituted for Muslims. Abraham and Jews sacrifice animals on their behalf for sin and atonement offerings. Muslims do the same. Either Muslims are ignorant of the purpose of the animal sacrifices, or their imams are not telling them the truth of why they perform animal sacrifices. Animal sacrifice is a substitute for our sins and represents the human body when sacrificed. That’s why Jesus became a human and sacrificed for all humans who believe in Him and became a substitute for our bodies, which was supposed to be punished on judgment day. In addition, no more animals need to die substituting humans after the sacrifice of Jesus. About good deeds: Just go through your video, you are contradicting yourselves, you said good deeds are necessary, but then you are saying that good deeds will not save but God's mercy. You are misrepresenting Christianity. It is the Christians who have done the most good in the world regardless of one’s religion than any other religion. Christians believe that when we follow Christ, the good deeds flow through us automatically. Unlike Muslims, Christians don't do good deeds to earn heaven but as a duty to fellow humans. That's why you will see many Christians helping anyone regardless of the race or religion, unlike Muslims who only support Muslims. Muslims already believe in God, and basic creation should get this point easier than an atheist or any other non-Christians, which is why Christianity is the only belief system that is the truth. Muslims and all other religions say that good deeds or God's mercy will save them without any punishment in judgment day.... why did God not save or forgive Adam and Eve for their small disobedience? I'm sure they lived a long time in heaven before committing that small mistake. It wasn't that they were made, and the next day, they ate that forbidden fruit. They were punished for their one small disobedience by human perspectives, and none of their offspring has been forgiven since and are waiting for the day of judgment. Christianity teaches that no one is good enough to save him or herself and must pay for his or her sins, and even one sin is bad enough to God for Him to send us to hell. God kicked out Adam and Eve from heaven just for one sin, how can a man who commits sin day in and day out can pass God's judgement without punishment thinking his/her good works weigh more. Therefore, God's justice must be met. Jesus was sinless but became a sin for the world. So, when one believes that jesus paid for his or her penalty for sins, he/she believes in God's mercy through the death and substitute of Christ Jesus. When we believe that Jesus's sacrifice was done on our behalf, God stays as an honest judge and doesn't favor someone for forgiving their sins by outweighing the good deeds. No honest judge forgives anyone’s crime because it was his or her first crime. No honest judge says that because you have done more good deeds than one crime; therefore, you are forgiven of your crime. The judge punishes the crime, disregarding how good a person may be. In addition, Christianity teaches that when we genuinely believe in Jesus, our lives change, and the good deeds become a living standard of an average person. Unlike Islam, Christianity does not teach that if we did one thing bad , we could do two things good to make up the bad. We must try to avoid bad things at all times and if we do fail to avoid bad things, we must repent and try to overcome our physical desires that are unpleasing to God and could be harmful behaviors to ourselves and others. Furthermore, it is a myth that's been taught to Muslims that Torah and Gospel have been changed because in Old Testament (Torah), God promised to send the savior who would redeem humanity and in New Testament he fulfilled his Word. In Old Testament, God promised to save humanity and, in New Testament, showed how he saved humanity.
As a catholic how I see the trinity is like a chain with three links. It is one chain (one God) with 3 links (three persons) that are distinct but not separate. Also the Eucharist isn't pagan it is the actual words of Jesus Christ. He specifies in the bible that he is referring to his actually flesh and that it is not metaphorical. Many of his followers left after he said this which demonstrates that this teaching was literal (if it was just metaphorical they would not have left). While some pagans have similar traditions this Christian tradition developed separately from Paganism and has its roots in the original Christian texts. God bless
I was raised fundamentalist baptist. They have a very literal interpretation of the bible. They believe the world was created in 7 literal days 4000 years ago and evolution is a lie created by scientists. They also reject all rituals like the eucharist or confession and instead place all emphasis on the scriptures. Once i learned how literal their interpretation of the bible was, I fell away from this faith into being mostly agnostic. I no longer agreed with the details of what i knew of Christianity, but I always believed there was a God. I also respected all religions and began studring others for a while to see what they all had in common and where they all differed. I came to believe that there was a God and an incredible universal truth, but no religion had gotten it exactly right because religions are ultimately a construct of man. But perhaps each religion had it's own wisdom to offer and it's point was a way to offer different paths to differt people in order to help them understand the real universal truth. Because of this, I've recently been drawn in to listening to near death experiences, or NDEs. I find these easier to believe than ancient texts, like the bible for example, where like you said, the original is actually long lost. I treat NDEs as possible eye witness accounts to the real truth we are all trying to understand. They seem to describe something similar to the Eastern Orthodox where upon death, we realize that we are all part of the divine nature. If you know anything about the kardeshev scale, it traditionally got to a type 3 civilization. But there is another version that takes this idea all the way out to a type 7. The description of a type 7 civilization is how I view God and all of nature, and think the NDEs support this. It's where God IS nature, the fabric of the universe, and the cululative experiences of all life within it. He understands everything about us, because he is us.
Also, with "by faith alone," my understanding of this, and what my church taught, being a sect that placed no value on rituals, was that if you died having never been a Christian for example, and thus never did any good works, but you repented at the last moment of your life, you would still be saved because ultimately, your salvation comes "by faith alone." Now yes, if you claim to be a Christian earlier in life, then you should live what you believe. "By faith alone" is not an excuse to knowingly live a life of sin because you think you're off the hook. However, each denomination differs with what it believes to be good works. Some churches are more involved in charity, while others encourage missionary work. Our church most prioritized your personal relationship with God. Your expression of this didn't even have to include going to church if that wasn't for you. The good works were more in how you treated others and tried to live your life as Christ instructed. The reason why some sects got so far away from any sort of ritual, and stressed "by faith alone" so heavily, was they saw in other sects, especially with catholics, an over importance on rituals to the point where faith didn't even seem to factor in. They didn't believe you could buy your way into heaven for instance, or that a priest could absolve you from sin, or that baptism or doing the eucharist would guarantee salvation. These were all just expressions of faith, not something to substitute for it. They also saw many people attending church as if only to show God "look at me! I got to church! Therefore I'm a good Christian." While never really living a Christian life. Like they were just doing the ritual to make sure they were off the hook. The book of Matthew even states that people like this don't get it, and salvation will come far more easily to the one who says the Lord's prayer alone at night in their closet and means it.
Great video guys. Very respectful and thoughtful. I'm Methodist. We, like other Protestants believe in Faith Alone. That doesn't mean we don't do good works. I like to explain algebraically; We believe Faith = Salvation + Works. If you don't have works your faith is not genuine or defective. Islam as I understand it believes more Faith + Works = Salvation.
I guess one major issue that christians may have with Islam in depicting christ as just a great messenger or prophet, is that Christ's own statements could only be considered outright blasphemy unless he were really God-made-man. One of you mentioned how, though you revere the prophet Mohammad(pbuh), you do not look to him or any of the other prophets as what connects you to Allah. That though they were holy, they were ultimately simply messengers. But Christ's entire message revolved around how humanity is too full of sin and detached from God to approach or know him directly, and that only through him can one access the Father, grace, forgiveness from sin and eternal life. That he alone was the way, truth and the life. And that salvation could come only through him. He didn't claim to simply preach the word of God, he claimed to BE the word of God. He repeatedly made claims to power and authority that no created being could ever make without it being considered blasphemy of the highest order, and this nearly got him killed on multiple occasions before he was finally crucified. And everytime he could have clarified himself and said "No no no, I know how it sounds but you misunderstand me, I actually meant this." He doesn't, he lets the crowds get angry and chase him off, and in many instances, doubles down on his initial statement. The bible goes so far as to say that he would lose hundreds of disciples due to things like this, all turning away because he would say something seemingly blasphemous and just keep doubling down on it. Telling them that they either accept his teaching or be incapable of receiving salvation. So frankly, if we judge christ on his own words and actions. He was either a madman, conman, or God-made-man. Either he really was who the apostles preached him as, or billions of people over the course of the past two thousand years have been deceived and are all going to hell. There is no in between. I highly recommend you read some of the letters of the early church fathers, many of whom were appointed by and knew the apostles directly. Their writings are considered historical documents and even part of 'sacred tradition' in catholic and orthodox churches, and will help give a very clear picture of what early christianity taught by the apostles looked like, and you'll find that their beliefs even as far back as the first and second century were startingly similar to orthodoxy and catholicism of today.
To answer the earliest question as a philosophy major and literature major: The Trinity atleast as it is understood in my Lutheran church, is that God is 3 persons of a whole essence that is God, that they share a greater will but are ultimately "seperate" in roles and personalities. There is support for the Trinity in the OT, (though it is harder to find the Holy Spirit) the first century Jews wrote about what they called [The Two powers in heaven] this was durived from the fact that quite a few times in the OT there are two figures both separate but are given God's divine name. There are a few times during visions of the prophets were it would apear that Holy Spirit is the one of the God Head giving the prophecy because it is titled the Spirit of the divine name.
See Micheal Heiser for more OT scholarship. Our knowledge of the manuscripts of Christianity is no secret all of them from the earliest gospel which would be Mark to the last we have the closest thing to the originals and they are closer to the time of the person they talk about than any figure in ancient history. We have countless documents and these variations that internet atheist out in Narnia (internet) would have you believe is a downside actually add the the legitimacy of the Gospel because the only "changes" are literary ones that do not ultimately change the meaning of the verses, and even in cases were words may be wrong is only because the closest words meanings have changed in society. Biggest example is: "I greate Evil" well that is a translation error only because evil now has a different meaning it should be "I create calamity"
This is how I see the trinity as a Christian, God is 3 persons in 1 being. What does that mean? Let's use the example of a human called Paul. Paul has children, siblings and parents. So Paul is a father, a son and a brother. Paul being a brother doesn't affect him being a father and them same vice versa. And Paul being a son doesn't turn him into a different being it's just a different role. This is how we see God. But because God is God His roles CAN talk to each other and be separate, hope this helps.
Appreciate your description. I don't think that makes sense since any human has different roles but they will always remain a single person. All 3 of the Trinity as taught as separate persons, all independent of each other, but also co-existing. So from my outside view it does make really equate. Thank you and hope you subscribe, would really help us out! -Hamza
I'm a Chrisitian and thought this was a really good video. In my experience, Muslim apologists can be a bit aggressive which is why I really liked your casual sit down approach. I'm glad you learnt somethings but Christianity and I appreciate you teaching me about Islam. The way I see the trinity is that the Father, Son and Spirit are all completely distinct and at the same time all completely united as God. We as humans are finite but God is infinite in glory, love, power etc. We dwell in space and time while God is outside both God is the creator and sustainer of all things. When God told Moses "I AM WHO I AM" it is such an amazing and powerful statement revealing a small portion of God's glory to us. I agree with this comment "In regards to the Trinity. We don't expect for the nature of God to completely 'make sense' to the human mind. We are given as much as we can handle." We Christians actually agree on a lot regarding works and faith. We believe we are saved by faith alone and we also believe that if you genuinely have faith that faith will result in deeds. James 2:14-26 talks about this. v26 sums it up "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead." With regards to sinning, we believe that just because we are saved by faith alone and God's grace is infinite that doesn't mean we should keep sinning. We have a relationship with God we want to love and please him by pursuing righteousness but we also fear God and God's wrath. He is an infinitely just and powerful God only fools sin against him. Unfortunately none of us are without sin. Romans 6 and 1 John 1:5-2:11 cover this. It's impressive how well-learned you are. You definitely know a lot about Christianity and more than some Christians. I'm not catholic but it was really cool how you explained what you regard as worship might be different to what the viewer might. I agree with what you said about what Catholics do and what the bible says. Genuine Christian belief is rooted in the bible and what the bible says and the core fundamentals, the salvation issues, are in the Nicene creed. The creed isn't God's word it's a summary of the crucial points as a profession of faith. The majority of differences in denominations come from different interpretations of what isn't crucial for salvation e.g. baptists are credobaptists (only baptise adults because it's a personal declaration of faith) while other denominations are paedobaptists (baptise infants to dedicate them to God) generally most Christians believe that when and if you get baptised doesn't effect your salvation. You definitely know your stuff and can discern what is genuinely Christian and what is wrong and sinful. I think it would be really cool if you reacted to redeemed zoomer's Big Theology Words in Ten Minutes as well. It also explains some nuance about what Christians believe quite well.
We also reacted to What each book of the Bible is about by Redeemed Zoomer, check it out! th-cam.com/video/NUuBI5MZYbQ/w-d-xo.html
6:08 Hey! the same guy (Redeemed Zoomer) uploaded a video on the Trinity that I think you might like!
Hey, I'm an Orthodox Christian.
In regards to the Trinity. We don't expect for the nature of God to completely 'make sense' to the human mind. We are given as much as we can handle. To see the face of God would be so incomprehensible, that it would destroy us.
We believe that we are in a fallen state and that the eye of our soul (nous) is clouded, so there is only so much that can be understood about the Holiness of God through the fallen reasoning of man.
The two of you, and me are separate in persons but are one in human nature. Different persons, same nature. Different, and yet united. The one and the many. Multiplicity. You can see this truth reflected in all of creation, and in all of our relationships with each other.
We believe that this is the only way that Love and Humility can exist, between distinct persons. Love cannot exist unless you have someone else to love. Humility cannot exist unless you have another person to be humble to.
And this too, in some way is how the three persons of the trinity express Love and Humility to each other, and to us. Between persons. And this too as Christians is how we relate to God, from person to person. We believe that the essence of God is Love and that the Trinity reflects this.
The understanding of the Trinity is as much superrational as it is rational. It is something that you can understand through participating in the life of the Church and with God; as much as you can understand it by just thinking about it. The thinking and the participating together give us more of the fullness in understanding the reality of WHO God is.
Ultimately it is a mystery. We can't know everything, but we believe that God has revealed to us as much as we need in order to follow Him.
God bless ☦
Thank you for your input and knowledge, it is greatly appreciated.
I agree the nature of God and who he is, is beyond human comprehension. However this cannot be used to explain things such as the Trinity, as it is possible that the notion of the Trinity is based on error (as Muslims believe). There has to be other factors that prove Christianity aside from the Trinity as it would just be a matter of pure faith like someone believing in shiva or any other god/ belief unless you associate some kind of proof or rational belief with Christianity. Such as preserved prophecies or miracles for example and these factors definitely exist to a degree.
That being said God being three persons include just that. Three persons. Who all are unlike each other but are all fully God. For many people this is contradictory and is illogical. Because we are saying three is one. When they are all separate by time location even capabilities and role.
Again we obviously have bias but we love to look into the subject and we will continue to do so with as much as an open mind as possible. However the presence of several now deemed heretical beliefs surrounding the nature of God and development of the Trinity such as:
Arianism
Gnosticism
Adoptionism
Tritheism
Patripassianism
These beliefs push the notion that the idea of the Trinity by its nature is problematic and it was since the beginning. Describing the Trinity as superrational or beyond comprehension, suppresses the issue at hand rather than address it. If there is only one God but Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God well if they aren’t each other then they are in a way three beings despite us being told this isn’t the case. Beyond this, the Father seems to have a more prominent position as being the one to reach as none can go to the father except through the sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus and the Holy Spirit both originated from the essence of the father. More can be said but this is why there are early now deemed heretical beliefs that the Father is a higher God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are lesser.
God also becoming lesser than what he is, is also a contradiction as that falls out of Gods own definition of who he is. Jesus not knowing the hour and similar issues such as this have been explained away by him having two natures which is also a later development. We know God cannot cease to exist or become weak or not know things.
A primary goal of this channel is to confront these issues and study the history of the church and nature of God and come to a more educated conclusion.
I appreciate you investing your time in talking about this issue with us. We will look into this further, stay tuned.
-Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS Very much a lay person here, with some United Methodist background and a heavy agnostic leaning, so take this with a grain of salt, but I think the Christian point of view is that we have the evidence that God did in fact choose to manifest in the flesh and live among us. Therefore there must be some way the weak-God paradox you're hung up on is a non-issue. The predominant interpretation seems to be that God basically split himself in a way that he didn't stop being divine, and retaining all the omnipotence that goes along with that. Rather, God-the-Son and God-the-Father coexisted and continue to coexist in parallel, as spiritual equals. And although the flesh/Son version of God got to experience the limitations of being human (aside from his communication with God-the-father and his miracle-working), his inevitable death could not ever really be the end of him, reinforcing the notion that there's more to being human than being just a sinful bag of bones, forever separated from God, with no hope of uniting with the infinite.
In Christianity, you can have questions, doubts, and even extreme philosophical differences with things like this, and there may well be a church or denomination out there which agrees with you. Or at least, a lot of churches would regard your skepticism to be a normal part of one's spiritual journey, i.e. you are using your God-given brain as it was intended. In other words, having all the answers, a God-like complete understanding of truth, ultimate certainty, and feeling that you've got the morally correct model and opinion about anything & everything is generally *not* what faith is about, and is not what God or the church requires of you. Faith, rather, is about being uncertain: *not* knowing, and proceeding/believing anyway. It can involve asking tough questions like "how can X and Y both be true?" and "how does this not contradict that?" and "what is this even supposed to mean?". Likewise, having a solid, thoroughly rational understanding of the trinity is not a prerequisite to having faith and being Christian. As mere humans, we probably can't ever understand everything there is to know.
The tone of your comments throughout the video suggests you're not comfortable with very much uncertainty. You want to believe God would not leave things ambiguous for us, that the entirety of truth must already be revealed in scripture. It's no surprise, then, that you related better to the structure and dogmatic approach of the Catholic church, and that you rejected some Protestant denominations as being too watered-down with modern values and too flexible (e.g. by focusing on Jesus's message of acceptance and brotherhood of all humankind, thus tolerating if not also accepting & ordaining non-heterosexuals). Understand that within Christianity, these same differences of opinion exist. Christians can feel the way you do, or quite the opposite. They may not feel welcome in every congregation, but they are still all Christian, if they believe in Jesus as "Lord and Savior" (notwithstanding the differences of opinion over "faith without works", baptism, transubstantiation, and so on.)
@@MuslimMindsUS Arianism came from a man who personally interpreted the Bible and wanted to create a reform in the third century AD. But since that was sucessfully rejected, it can be explained that even before Arianism, the Trinity could be easily understood. We do not question God's ways, for He is the All-knowing. 🥰💙.
But I have got to admit that you are some of the only muslims that will look into other types of beliefs as openly-minded as possible. I respect you very much for that, brothers. God bless!
@@MuslimMindsUS just a side question.. if God is unlike anything in his creation according to Muslim belief, wouldn’t it make sense that he cannot be one in the same sense that humans are one? Just something to think about… I always hear the argument of it doesn’t befit God’s majesty to become a man.. I’ll liking that to say it doesn’t befit a King’s majesty to wear his servant’s uniform..but he can decide to do it anyway. Another view will be, it doesn’t befit Mark’s majesty to use be an avatar in meta? If we assume the avatars in meta are AI, will it be strange for him to create an avatar for himself to interact with his creation?? *this doesn’t fully explain the trinity but the avatar will also be Mark even if it was in meta…if mark decides to train an ai bot with his personality to control that avatar then that avatar is fully mark but totally separate from Mark.. every decision his makes in meta will be what Mark will make…
@@MuslimMindsUS - With respect to God becoming man and dying on the cross, the Christian God claims to love people, I don't recall the same being said for Islam's. If there is this difference, would it not make sense the two gods would behave different?
As a Catholic I enjoyed this video and hearing your perspectives, God Bless!
Glad you enjoyed the vid Scuba :)
-Rohaib
Yo what's up my fellow catholic
As a Catholic we do not worship Mary, we love her as the Mother of Jesus, We pray for her help as she is closer to God.
Yes understood! For us as Muslims thought, praying and asking anyone else other than Allah/God is "shirk" which means associating others with God. And as Muslims that is forbidden.
Thanks for your comment Debbie!
-Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS Hi, I know it is a long time since you posted this video, but I do want to point out that what we mean, as Catholics, when we 'pray' to Mary is to ask for her intercession. If you have read Jane Austin, many of her characters say things such as, "I pray thee tell," because the word pray simply meant ask. Now, with how many people interpret the word pray, saying that we are praying to Mary in the sense that she is a God is incorrect and is not in the teachings of the Catholic church.
so in other words, u worship her 😂 why would u pray for help from a dead woman? yall are no different than the muslims who pray and send blessings to their dead prophet lmfaooo
As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.
@@sarastankavage4261 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive
Enjoyable video, I love hearing different religious view points, as long as they aren’t just being disrespectful or hateful.
I’m glad to hear you enjoyed the video Shylogik. Any video suggestions that you want to see? nice profile pic btw -Rohaib
Something benign may be found disrespectful and hateful to some and vice versa. Whats important is whether it’s true or not
@@nosoreel5556 what do you mean by that??
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-Hamza
Great video, you guys, very respectful very knowledgeable of Christianity and honestly very insightful on how many similar beliefs Muslims and Christians have. I also watch a lot of things contrary to my beliefs to strengthen my faith. 👏🏽
Thank you!!! :)
-Hamza
This is a very nice and respectful video as a Christian myself thank you for this video .
Poor lost boys. I will pray for them.
We aren’t lost tho 🙃
@@MuslimMindsUS yeah ok
Feel better about yourself now?
@@MrAndyhdz I feel great!
Trinity is a scam and it's dying faster than any endangered species. Even a kid knows who is really lost 😂
I'm protestant.
And I find it strange, really, how there are so many different denominations inside of it. The truth is, there are only christians and not christians. (Those churches differ by interpretation, but its said in the bible that the one who interprets it is the wholy spirit, there is only one interpretation: God's interpretation. So we can call it now a fact, because God is immutable so his word will also be. Living by this you learn to let the bible interpret itself. Its not a book that you read, it's one that you study).
Its okay if some differ only in costumes and habits, like not cutting your hair, watching tv etc. Because these are not salvation dependant issues. But once one of those falls short of the bible its immediately wrong.
You asked for the standard. It is the bible. The written word of God
Hey Haíra, thanks for the comment!
So from your explanation, you believe it’s up to the Bible to interpret itself, very interesting viewpoint!
Yes there are indeed many differing denominations, it’ll take a while for me or Rohaib to get a good grasp on them all 😅.
Glad you decided to watch and leave feedback, I hope you subscribe, more videos coming!
-Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUSfor the record, he is correct, most Christians of all denominations except that each other are saved. A Catholic May disagree very much with a baptist, but both are likely to believe that the other is saved. Unfair to consider these groups denominations in the traditional sense, these are not enemies of one another and they do not hate one another, the division is often very cultural and based on secondary issues which the Bible isn't obvious about.
Most of the differences between the denominations are surrounding politics- how should the church be structured?
Should we have bishops, then you are Episcopalian. Should we have elders? Then you are a presbyterian. Should we have priests? Then you are Catholic or orthodox, should we have pastors and ministers instead of priests? Then you are Protestants.
If we're not talking about the politics of the church denomination, then we're talking about mostly secondary questions, like soteriology (how are we saved).
Calvinists believe that Free Will is an illusion and that we cannot choose to follow christ, that Christ has to force us to choose him first, while Baptists and pretty much everyone else agrees we have free will.
Some think we should only have old music, some think we should have modern music, some think we should have no music at all(only Acapella). Some say we should all be dressed in suits and dresses, while most agree that jeans and t-shirts are totally acceptable.
As you can see, most of these disagreements don't particularly matter in the long run. We have a separation because people prefer to be amongst people they are more similar to, however it is not uncommon for a presbyterian to join a Baptist church or a Baptist to join an Anglican church for a season.
A long time ago, people used to introduce their religion by which denomination they were, nowadays most people agree to just call themselves Christian. We will always have our disagreements and debate about them, but most Christians today find it unhelpful to be angry at one another, considering we should believe that we are going to heaven together.
23:30 Hi, presbyterian here. Catholics don't really "worship" Mary, they more so pray for her to help ask her to pray for them. If that makes sense for you guys.
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Yes, we understand Catholics in their view dont "worship". However for us as Muslims, kneeling in front of a statute and asking for intercession from it is worshipping in our eyes, its setting up partners with God, which is a major sin in Islam. Thats why we as Muslims disagree with it, although we respect Catholics very much for their other practices.
Hope that makes sense!
-Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS Haha, Protestants often critisize Catholics for the same reason. Anyways, major respect to you guys.
@@watermellish Lol, appreciate it!
@@MuslimMindsUS What about circling the ka'aba?
As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.
For the trinity, I'd recommend you look up Monarchical trinitarianism. Also the Bible CLEARLY teaches Jesus is god, the biggest example being the beginning of John.
Edit: Not to be mean, but their are factual errors in the "what is the Trinity" part of the video. First off, its a little rude to describe a religious doctrine held by mastermind theologians for two thousand years, longer that your own faith has been in this world, as "mental gymnastics" Although due to the layperson not knowing the complex theology involved, I can understand where this view would come from. Also, Jews in history were not entirely the same as today, Philo of Alexandria had a very similar view of God to the trinity, from just the Old testament! Also most of the passages that are brought up in an attempt to "debunk" the Trinity, are being misinterpreted, for example, the verse you cited, In context is just Jesus simply being rhetorical. I don't have the time to explain this in depth, but the youtube channel Inspiring Philosophy has multiple videos on the Trinity, and I'd recommend you watch them to get a better understanding, maybe you could react to them for a video.
Hey Endygonewild,
I apologize for the offense in my statement, I did not intend on disrespecting. I chose my words casually and did not take into consideration the sanctity of the topic and was too casual.
As for what I meant, these theologians had to hammer out the doctrine of the Trinity for a good few centuries, so even the Trinity itself is not as clear as one may claim it is. Even the nature of Christ was debated because of the contradictory passages.
I agree that what supports the divinity of Christ is tradition. But in a Trinitarian sense on Jesus being equal to the father, this is not clear from a non Christian reading of the New Testament.
We will look into the channel you recommended.
-Rohaib
Wow I'm incredibly impressed by how these two men and especially the one on the right is so knowledgeable about small details of the christian faith, even though they are muslim!
I believe that the israelite priests would eat from the sacrificed animals in the temple and Jesus' use of bread and wine at the last supper (to represent his body and blood) was analogous to him being the sacrificial lamb, and his priests (the aposltes) eating of the sacrifice. So not really pagan in that sense, although I can see how they appear similar.
Hey Pickguard1, thanks for the information!
Very interesting… it is very different from Islamic belief for sure, still need to look more into the Eucharist and it’s history for sure, it does seem similar to pagan practices as you said but we are open to new info 😃
-Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS Also, Catholics and Lutherans say that it really is God because that's what Christ narrated in the Bible - see John 6. As they say "Is means 'Is'". The metaphorical interpretation didn't really exist until the 1800s. You maybe could look up the difference between "substance" and "accidents", there are some good videos out there on this topic.
The "eating of God" has to do with the passover lamb, which takes away sins - according to Jewish tradition. To really understand Christianity you have to have a good background on the messianic prophecies in Judaism.
@@kingmarlin5043"the metaphor didn't exist until" incorrect, it was always viewed as metaphorical, but leading to a "spiritual presence", rather than the presence of the son.
Keep in mind your view was only one of many within the catholic church UNTIL the reformation happened.
Catholics were losing popularity and had to make themselves distinct, that's when they changed a bunch of beliefs from "maybe this, maybe that" to "if you don't believe this you're a heretic fit for the fire".
So no, the metaphorical view of communion is not from 1800, that's ridiculous.
Just found you guys from this video. I got curious and I'd love to see you all explain Islam and keep learning Christianity
Glad you are interested in our vids Nicholas. We will definitely make more Islamic centered videos as well as reactions to Christian belief. We have a couple things in the works so stay tuned.
-Rohaib
About the doctrine of justification.
The bible says that we are saved by faith alone, because works can't justify us, they can't make us holy, we always fail ("our greatest works are like filthy rags before God"). That why we need a Savior, which is Jesus.
But yes, works are also important. The bible says that "faith without works is dead". How does it work?
A person is saved by believing in Christ, they are regenerated by the holy spirit, are born again. They receive a new nature from God that is aligned with his will. Then, a genuine christian, with those new desires will go on to do good works. Matthew 7 talks about how the bad tree has bad fruits and the good tree has good fruits. And how you can't find good fruit in bad trees.
So, salvation is only by faith alone, BUT, someone who has truly been born again WILL have good works as a consequence of that transformation.
It's faith = salvation + works
That's a difference between protestants and Catholics. Because Catholics believe that its faith + works = salvation
Protestants don't believe that simply because it's not biblical
Also, we still have that carnal nature that desires what is opposed to God. So we can fall and sin again. But there's always true repentance. And it's a progressive work of the holy spirit within the person ("He who began a good work on you will finish it"), so they will keep growing in holiness and feeding the spirit and fighting against the flesh.
Hey Haíra, this was an interesting breakdown that other Protestant friends of mine have provided. I think this is more representative of the Christian faith then lots of other Protestant beliefs out there. Not excluding the importance of works but not fully relying on it. Thanks for your input!
-Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS I think that too. For me, real historical Christianity is about that. Following God's revelation of Bible, as it is his written word.
The scripture also puts the church, not as an institution, but as a gathering of believers. Like one body, Christ is the head and we are the members, voluntarily submitted to his leadership.
@@haira-hcomsomderobg4773 you explained the gospel so well this is true Christianity ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Hi, I just want to clarify the praying to the saints and the Virgin Mary as a Catholic. I will admit that it is similar to a prayer but there is a bit of a difference. Prayer generally involves a God or an object of worship, so for the catholic point of view, that would be just God. The communing with the Saints and Mary is more so a request for guidance from the human beings who have most closely walked the path of God. They are the pinnacle, in the Catholic view, of piety amongst humans and Catholics refer to their example. In the Catholic sacrament of Confirmation, we are now seen as fully grown adults in the eyes of the church, and we take a saint name to try to emulate a chosen saint and live our lives by their example.
Hey, we completely understand y’all’s viewpoint on that. It’s just our Muslim viewpoint that asking anyone other than god for anything is considered Shirk, the biggest sin in Islam. For example, we don’t ask our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) for anything, only God.
So that’s why we have that viewpoint, hope it makes sense.
Full respect to all our Christian brothers and sisters.
-Hamza
❤❤❤
I’m a little confused as to how this works. Granted, I am not a Catholic, nor am I a Muslim, I am a Protestant. But even so, I feel like something has to be not quite right here. From what I know, Shirk is Islam’s interpretation of idolatry.
Generally, Christians view idolatry as attempting to use things which are not god to fill the hole left by stepping away from him. As I understand it, in Islam, Shirk is a very literal interpretation of this, and the presupposition is that when we commit idolatry, we not only subconsciously are trying to replace god’s divine nature, but we literally begin ascribing godlike attributes to things that are not god. That’s why Shirk can encompass both idolatry and polytheism, whereas in Christianity, usually those are thought of as separate problems.
(Though, I think there’s a real Pearl of wisdom which I believe has it’s roots in Judaism, that idolatry is the root of all sin, as every time we sin, we by definition are putting something inappropriate above god. My pastor told me this once, and I find it a very interesting way to think about things)
Back to the topic at hand. As I understand it (and keep in mind this is my view as an outsider) Catholics, when they pray to saints, aren’t asking for a spiritual grant. It’s more of a request for knowledge or guidance. Surely Islam does not forbid students to ask for wisdom from teachers or experts? I think this “teacher pupil” relationship is what Catholics are talking about. It just so happens that these experts are no longer alive on earth. Not so much a prayer to grant spiritual clarity, but rather a conversation to ask how to attain it. So while I understand that asking mortals, however pious, for things that are only God’s to give, I don’t think that’s what Catholics are doing when they pray to the saints.
I really enjoy these videos. I think that it’s important, particularly in the modern west, for people of Abrahamic faiths to find common ground. While there are obviously huge, fundamentally insurmountable theological differences between us, there are also enough shared commonalities to build a shared moral framework, one that recognizes the shortcomings of the civilization around us. In talking with muslims, I realize that while our views about the nature of God are very different, often our views about the sorts of good people he wants us to be are the same. I hope we can continue to understand each other more, not just so that we can experience opinions that differ, but so that we feel comfortable when we find those opinions that do not differ. Peace be with you both!
muslims send blessings to muhammad when they pray. they usually always involve him in their prayers. the catholics aren't any better because they are praying to dead people.
As a former Roman Catholic I respectfully disagree. We had prayers that we prayed TO Mary and TO the saints. Which if you actually read the bible for yourself is Idolatry. You shall have NO OTHER GODS before God. We should be praying to God ONLY. The saints and Mary are DEAD. They are in one of two places Heaven or Hell. Purgatory is a lie from the pits of Hell itself. I've read the bible. Purgatory is never mentioned at all. ONLY Heaven and Hell.
Really cool to see Muslims educating themselves on Christianity. Keep up the work.
Thank you Subhana!!
Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.(R)
Let him deliver him,(S)
since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤
Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself.
Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs.
More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️
I enjoyed the vid and hearing your perspectives. Hope you guys keep looking into this stuff 👍
Actually traditional Lutherans and Calvinists would accord completely with your description of the relationship between faith and works. The Bible even says in the book of James Chapter 2, "Faith without works is dead". Works do not earn salvation, but rather they are the proof of faith. They are not how we are saved but but how we *know* if we are saved. They are the outward proof of the inward state of the heart. So someone who claims to be Christian but is living an un-Christian and sinful life clearly has no real saving faith.
The problem is 'faith alone' is misunderstood by many people to mean what you were saying, that you just need to have some kind of nominal adherence to Christianity and you're going to heaven no matter what you do. But the Bible in the epistles of the Apostle Paul specifically condemns those who would use faith/grace as a pretext or licence to sin.
And its interesting, the way you describe the Islamic understanding of predestination and free will it sounds similar to the Arminian position within Protestantism, whereby God foreordains who will go to Heaven and Hell, based on His foreknowledge of how they will choose to respond to the call of salvation.
Thanks for the clarification on “faith alone” and the pointing out the similarities of predestination with the Arminian position, very interesting to learn!
-Hamza
Yeah, I grew up Baptist, and simply put faith is necessary and works just show that your faith is true. Good works are works of the Holy Spirit in us guiding us. Salvation of the soul and afterlife have less to do with God works in the sense that heaven is not meritable. And that's a pretty big core in Baptist theology, one can't earn salvation but their good deeds can be seen as a reflection of their salvation.. It's the result of faith and not an absolute requirement. Of course this becomes a pretty big issue when talking about murder and more serious sins against humanity where at that point you just hope the murderer doesn't sincerely believe and only says he does for fear of the afterlife and not because of Jesus dying for the sins of humanity. It's supposed to be pretty altruistic of Jesus and very humble of you to say you're unworthy of heaven although it does carry Calvinistic ideas of self-hatred in a slightly more palatable way. 😂
We, in essence, do good for the sake of good, God, humanity, and integrity. And never salvation. Salvation is separate from good works so that we don't do good works out insincerity and fear and the self-benefit but for God and humanity, and in a sense for the self as well since integrity is very internal.
You sound like a theologian in This comment @@MuslimMindsUS
I have a major respect for Muslims and Religion of Islam. One of my closest friends is Muslim and I encourage him to always stay his path and purpose. We have to Love each other and share compassion on top of paying servitude towards others and casting no judgement as we all make mistakes. What do we do with the experience? I’ve been all over the place when it comes to Christianity since I was kid I was confused just like you. I’ve come to terms that I’ll will try my absolute hardest to be righteous and stick to the commandments.
For my fellow Christian family bless your Muslim brothers as well. God Bless us all!! Inshallah!! ❤
Hey DanteXKV we really appreciate this generous comment! May God bless you and us!
-Rohaib
@@MuslimMindsUS I appreciate both of your time,generosity,vulnerability to be open-minded to the other Abrahamic Religions. Been binging and watching your videos since this one 🙏🏾keep informing us many more people need to be informed especially In the U.S
@@MuslimMindsUS I appreciate both of your time,generosity,vulnerability to be open-minded to the other Abrahamic Religions. Been binging and watching your videos since this one 🙏🏾keep informing us many more people need to be informed especially In the U.S
Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.(R)
Let him deliver him,(S)
since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤
Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself.
Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs.
More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️
Hi guys, I'm Lía, from the city of Rosario in Argentina. My native language is Spanish so I am going to use Google Translate. Let's hope there are no errors.
A medieval tradition tells the following story:
One day Saint Augustine (philosopher, theologian and saint of the Catholic Church) was walking along the seashore, turning over in his head many of the doctrines about the reality of God, one of them the doctrine of the Trinity. Suddenly, he looks up and sees a beautiful child, who is playing in the sand, at the edge of the sea. He watches him more closely and sees that the boy runs towards the sea, fills the bucket with sea water, and returns to where he was before and empties the water into a hole.
So the child does it over and over again. Until Saint Augustine, immersed in great curiosity, approaches the child and asks him: "Hey, child, what are you doing?" And the boy answers: "I am taking all the water out of the sea and I am going to put it in this hole." And Saint Augustine says: "But, that is impossible."
And the child responds: "It is more impossible to try to do what you are doing: Try to understand the mystery of God in your little mind."
In short, it is not necessary for us to understand God. In fact it is impossible for our human minds because the finite can never encompass the infinite. What we can do is spiritually experience the divine nature. How do we do it? LOVING. God is love. Love is the key to the kingdom of Heaven. That is why Jesus said: "I leave you only one commandment: love one another as I have loved you."
7:53: One way I like to think of the Trinity as being 3 in 1 is like us humans: Body + Mind + Soul are 3 separate entities but they are combined to make 1 person. Or another way of explaining it is if you have 3 drops of water and combine them they become one. Hope this helps :)
That's the heresy of partialism.
Not my opinion, not a Christian, but the official stance is that what you just described is enough to be thrown out of the church (for many denominations)
@@captainpandabear1422Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.(R)
Let him deliver him,(S)
since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤
Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself.
Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs.
More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
@captainpandabear1422 Everything I wrote really happened to me another time is I had just woken up and before my eyes like a lens or movie against my eyes wide awake I saw black women vacuuming and cleaning in a room and then it faded off and shortly after my friend from Nigeria messaged me about sisters he had never told me before and whose aunt was mistreating them and forcing them to work at a hotel and he had never shared this knowledge before and so we contacted child services, another time a woman I never met before God told me to tell them their mammogram would go well I didn't even know what a mammogram was and they cried and told me they had just gotten one and then later the results came back negative, so many other times too Jesus is alive and real and loves you he wants to bring you from spiritual death to life his life and spiritually adopt you he loves you so much he had always seen you and loved you I pray you recieve his forgiveness and love and freedom from condemnation the world is already condemned and he came to set you free! his arms are wide open! You can recieve him now wherever you are and he'll never reject you or abandon you when you are his! He gave his life up for you and to recieve you he is the truth and the real deal! Jesus bless you! He wants you to know him! He'll never force it he wants you to freely come to him he desires you to enter a loving relationship with him and give you peace! 🙏✝️❤ If you desire to email me you can at mileslmog@outlook.com but you don't need to go through anyone Jesus is there already beside you waiting for you! May you accept his love and forgiveness and a new life and new future! ❤✝️❤️
You should do UsefulCharts' series on Christian denominations too. It goes more into the history of these groups. It is divided in 8 episodes. There are also two upcoming episodes on the denominations of Judaism and Islam.
Didn’t know that, thanks for the info Silvia
-Rohaib
Am a proud protestant christian....and my church was mentioned in this video.RCCG
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Nice to know haha!
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-Hamza
The trinity is the father, Son, and Holy Spirit which is the one God.. God is a generic term for nature not person.. three distinct persons.. this doesn’t equate to three distinct beings since they partake within the same nature.
Thanks for the comment Claude!
Interesting view point… We will definitely be reacting to a video on the Trinity soon so be sure to subscribe!
-Hamza
We’ll said 🙌
I hate when they try to compare Christianity and Islam together like ofc they’re gonna have different beliefs they’re literally different religions ofc they’re different
what's wrong with comparing?
As a Catholic, love the reaction to the church. I’ve been currently reading things like The Book of Mormon and the Qur’an since they claim to be a final revelation from God Y’know, and I gotta say that Islam compared to Mormonism makes more sense but still a bit skeptical. Love watching your vids, helps me know more
As an Anglo-Catholic Christian who draws heavily on theological aspects of Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy, I can honestly say I love this video so much. I have the utmost respect for Muslims and Islam in general, though I disagree with some elements, a common morality can usually be found. I am very curious to learn more about the Sunni-Shia divide and the different islamic schools. The major thing many non-Muslim Americans seem to collectively obsess over is Jihadism, Wahhabism, and how these interpretations of the Qur'an affected various caiphates throughout history and things that affected the Iranian Revolution of 1979 or the Ottoman Empire dealing with the Umayyad Caliphate. I will definately subscribe and am eager to watch more videos to educate myself through your words.
As a Lutheran I enjoyed watching this I am surprised by the amount of knowledge you have on the Bible God bless.
Pretty late, but Redeemed Zoomer has a great short video on the Trinity. Great watch and may help y'all understand a little more
Hey Jacob, we actually reacted to that video, check it out here:
th-cam.com/video/88seBpWDDaU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks!
-Hamza
5:44
as a catholic whos studying and looking to convert to orthodox christianity, the trinity is something that you can't think about too much because its something so complex and would only confuse you the more you try wrapping your head around it
comparisons/metaphors usually lead to heresy and trying to demonstrate it would only leave to endless debates on god's nature rather than what god actually is
the one thing that helped me grasp the trinity is taking in what the trinity means in its most basic form
god is one body, one essence
god has three persons that are individual in nature but codependent in essence
the father creates, the son redeems, the holy spirit guides
another way of explaining it is that god (the father) is eternal, his word (son) and spirit are also eternal, since god didnt create his word or spirit they share the same essence, god his word and his spirit united as a triunity, or trinity
the persons can interact with each other, but its not three separate gods interacting with another
jesus (gods word) came to earth fully human but with divine essence from the father through the holy spirit
i get that this is really confusing no matter how you try to understand, but its hard to understand because we're comparing the nature of god to the nature of his creation, and thats to say that god cannot be more than his creation, creations of only one nature, one person
i also get that with every explanation of the trinity, it only leads to more questions and this is really where faith and oneness with god comes into play, and faith is something you cant really force upon people (im not making the implication that the rest is entirely up to faith nor that you two "dont have the faith" to understand)
i hope this helps brothers, i also studied islam and i respect your guys efforts to learn about different beliefs/religions and i appreciate the open mindedness
as-salamu alaykum
Great video! I love talking with Muslims about religion because they know a good amount about what they are talking about and actually care about the truth. The most clear evidence that Jesus claims to be God would be in Mark 14:62, Jesus said, "Yes, I am he, and you shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the power of God, the Powerful One, and coming on the clouds of heaven."
This is because Daniel 7:13-14 says “the Son of Man will come in a white cloud with power and great glory, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.”
Also I find it interesting that Muslims always seem to say they don’t believe Jesus is A God. In Christianity Jesus isn’t a God he is just God along with the rest of the Trinity. I think the language of A god is taught to make Christian’s sound polytheist. I’m sure someone has mentioned it but the book seeking Allah finding Jesus is amazing. If you could review that book I would love to hear a Muslims response to why it’s wrong!
Appreciate the kind words Caleb, I will try and look into that book sometime soon.
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-Hamza
First of all, great video! Even though I disagree with your viewpoints, I think you did a great job being charitable and good faith. The same channel that released this video also did one where he explains the trinity called "The Trinity explained in 5 minutes" and I would be very interested to hear your opinion about that.
Hey Nova, thanks for watching and sharing feedback!
Like mentioned in the video, we are here to learn, not criticize other religions or views, so we appreciate you pointing that out!
That sounds interesting, we will definitely check it out and get that video out soon, make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss it!
@@MuslimMindsUS I'm already subscribed hahaha, looking forward to the video!
Gentlemen, thank you for this video. I found it very interesting to hear your opinions on the subject matter. In my life I've probably had more Muslim friends than from any other religion (as a Christian.) We've always gotten along well and have shown respect ... which is key, and which is what you all did here. I was brought up in the Church of the Nazarene (it would be under the Holiness section and came from the Methodists.) As an adult I felt it was not as closely representative of my belief and experience as would be The Anglican/Episcopalian Church so I changed denominations around the age of 30. I respect all major religions that seek truth, seek to do good, and that point in the direction of God. I think it is not my place to judge another person's journey in faith but is up to me to be the best person I can be within my own experience. In the Bible it states that God is Love ... God IS love ... so love must be of utmost importance. Loving God and neighbor seems to me to be the two most important commandments. To me as a Christian the miracle of Christ and the reason we worship Him is that we believe God came to experience humanity on earth through Christ. That God could do such a thing for humanity is itself a miracle. The fact that Islam acknowledges Jesus I think is beautiful although I understand it is on the level of a prophet. I wonder what you all think of something we hear sometimes in a more modern viewpoint about what is called "The Christ Consciousness." Would be interesting to hear your view on that. Thank you again for a kind and thoughtful review of Christian denominations. There were some that were also new to me too, so I found that additionally educational. Salam, Tim
What a great informational video 😁😁😎😎
Thanks Hamza for the feedback 🙂
Sure is ain’t it 😃
Psalm 22 "My God My God why have you forsaken me?.... bulls of bashan surround me they pierce my hands and feet.... they cast lots for my garments... "“He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.(R)
Let him deliver him,(S)
since he delights(T) in him.” "I am poured out like water" etc like with other passages in the psalms, genesis, (including theophany appearances in the torah) Isaiah, Zechariah, Daniel, Proverbs etc are considered messianic in rabbinic Judaism as the suffering servant messiah Ben Joseph, and to Christianity as Yeshua, Jesus bless you ❤
Edit: To expand on this is of course Isaiah 53 where you have the servant being crushed by God as an offering for sin for others, who dies and sees life and his seed afterwards, who dies with thieves and in a rich man's tomb, and who was despised and rejected, so why there is a common view of two messiahs, Ben yosef and Ben David, one messiah as the suffering servant and another as the conqueror who sets up the kingdom. Isaiah 52 the messiah draws Israel back to himself.
Some fun and sad things are like people would say Jesus didn't exist despite Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Lucian etc and the apostles writings and the successors/church fathers of the apostles/bishops writings and josephus, because "Nazareth doesn't exist" until of course Nazareth was discovered, or another one, "there was no synagogue in capnernaum" until we found it, or Thomas Payne in age of reason "Bible is false because there were no kings during Jesus's time" until we found King Herod Agrippa's coins, or "Jesus wasn't buried in a tomb because crucifixion victims weren't buried in tombs" until we found crucifixion victims with the nails still in tombs in tombs.
More cool things, are Jesus sweating blood in the garden of Gethsemane, this is a real phenomenon called Hematidrosis where death row inmates sweat blood, also another when Jesus is pierced and water and blood come out this actually happens when water builds around the lungs, it confused some early church fathers on the spiritual meaning, but it's a real phenomenon that occurs as well. Many rabbis into gematria etc say there is a curse upon reading Daniel 9 because it says Messiah The Prince must come and bring in eternal righteousness before the destruction of Solomon's temple, no wonder they say that as then if Messiah didn't come before 70 a.d. there is no messiah, those who have divided messiah into two were confused if the messiah would come riding on a donkey or horse, so the two messiahs, as opposed to the jews who believe in Jesus and himself, who state himself and two arrivals. Of course this is why Islam falls quickly because while they call Jesus messiah they don't understand what it means, and Muhammad of course denied the historical fact of Jesus dying by crucifixion (Which besides tacitus mentioning pontius pilate doing it to him, we even have an inscription that was uncovered oh pilate and dates lining up with his time being the procurator/prefect over Jerusalem) besides Muhammad being the total opposite of Jesus, Muhammad had sex with his child bride Aisha who was nine, he beheaded and crucified people, said not to trust jews and Christians, he had Ethiopian slaves and called them raisin heads, he called jews monkeys and rats, he slaughtered villages and the wives of families he killed said you can take them and have sex with them, he got caught having sex with his slave by Aisha and said he would not do it anymore then conveniently "Allah" comes and says it's fine and he can, he's a textbook false prophet, with of course takiyah being they will lie to you about what I said above, Islam is meant to subjugate the world I'd into belief by force, if you don't convert you must pay a tax, if you don't pay it you die. Allah has no love for unbelievers unlike Jesus who loves his enemies and we are meant to love all even to death, I'd write more but youtube doesn't like long messages, with eastern thought eternal universe doesn't fit the mold because and infinite amount of successive events becoming then impossible to have the present, we would never reach today because we would always have a yesterday or event before this moment, an immaterial, spaceless, timeless, mind (agency) bringing space-time into reality, is the best explanation for why anything exists including someone as amazing and as lovely as yourself 😊 So the disciples who say "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." And "13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men. But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep." Since the witnesses knew whether or not they were lying and knew what it would mean to continue to say he did in fact rise and is the Messiah and God in the flesh then yes I believe them as The Messiah had to come during that time, a mind/agency creating the universe is the best cause for reality, Jesus is the most moral, truthful and charismatic and loving and honest person there is, and the most important and influential, (Buddha said he was still searching for truth, Jesus say, "I am the truth, the way and the life") Jesus gives us love and salvation as a gift without earned merit by us, not working our way to the truth or God or eternal destiny through every other religious and spiritual framework, he loves you and cares so much for you before he created you and wants a living relationship with you here and now not just after you die 😊 There's a million other things to cover that I want to say but this is probably a good stopping point but Jesis wants to remove the shadow in your life and Jesus wants you as you are right now he wants your heart and to live in you and you to know his love personally 😊 I had people prophesy over me very specific things nobody else knew about my past, things I was thinking or experienced even just the day before, Jesus healed me of sleep paralysis I had for years, depression and loneliness, I had a dream of a woman named Heather and a voice telling me their dad had died, a couple days later i meet them and they tell me about how they had just lost their dad that week, I feel God telling me to sit down and close my eyes and I see an outline of someone going to the bathroom very bizarre, then shortly after someone out of the blue asking me to pray for them as they are having trouble going to the bathroom, another was I ask Jesus alone "are you my buddy?" A couple hours later someone contacts me and they say "Yes Jesus is saying yes he is your buddy" another time was I obsessing a little over this blue suit and someone prophecies "I see you in this blue suit" etc, another time I was testing this whole thing and I'm about to be prophecied over and I have my Google notes out I had tried writing out a little story and it was about a fire and forest being burnt down and I ask God to confirm if he wants me to write this and sort of as a test because everything had been scary accurate and the person right after says "God wants you to be his little stick lit ablaze with his love, it may not seem like much but one small flame can burn down a whole forest" 😂 another one was I had this. Surreal vision looking at stars, shortly after someone messages me saying Jesus is looking at a telescope with you saying to you "everything I have is yours even the stars" another one I was in the bathroom asking God for a message for my friend Moses in Nigeria and as I'm leaving the bathroom i freeze in place and go into this bizarre trance like Peter in the book of acts and I see my friend Moses as a child playing with a toy firetruck and Jesus sitting next to him with love, I quickly tell them and they are in shock as they had just thrown away that toy that same day, another time I had gotten a word from God about someone close to me who hadn't accepted Jesus and that they had been praying to God secretly, I told them that and the look on their face was priceless as I had no idea they had been praying to God at all, they were shook 😄 this is only a handful of many a 100 times in just the last 12 months after 5 years of me being born again, there's so many more amazing things that have happened but you are beautiful and desired of God, he is a gentleman and will not force you to choose him or love him but he loves so so much, he's asking you if you will come, he will love you and cherish you everyday of your life, he will never abandon you, I beg you to take a chance and not reject God's love for you, he wants to heal you and you to enjoy a living relationship between you, God bless you so much, Jesus says to come to him for rest your weary soul he is humble and meek and tender and gentle, he loves you so much he knows everything about you, nothing about you is unimportant to him 😭❤❤ If you repent and call on his name you will be saved from hell and Jesus's wrath and judgement for all have sinned!! ❤ For God so loved The World that gave his only begotten son that whoever should believe in him will not perish but have eternal life!! 💙🙌🏻 repent all have sinned and fallen short!!❤️🔥❤♥️
Methodist here! Salaam, brothers of the book! To explain the trinity, as I have studied and understand it, it is known as the three in one. God can be whatever God wants to be, but this is his nature as we Christians have come to understand it.
-God the Father is the supreme God-head, the Father in heaven who reigns over all things, and the one we are all subservient to. He is the one all people of the book are familiar with.
-God the Son, is God made flesh in the form of Jesus. The Christ (aka Jesus Christ) is the messianic figure who was God born into the form of a human, and the sublime and perfect example of what humans are meant to be. This was God's way of interacting with mankind in order to directly give us his new commands. As there were the ten commandments handed down to Moses from God in the Old Testament, the Tanakh in Judaism, God as Jesus gave unto the world his new commands of love, reconciliation, and forgiveness of one's enemies. In the old Jewish faith, sacrifices of animals, particularly lambs, were required in the temples, to purify God's worshippers and allow their sins to be forgiven. As such, Jesus is often referred to as "the Lamb of God", because the sacrifice of the holiest blood was the final sacrifice that needed to be made for mankind's sins to be washed away forever. With the sacrifice of Jesus upon the cross, Jews no longer needed to sacrifice living creatures to be forgiven. The worshippers of God must simply repent to Him to be forgiven for their sins. There is much more to it, but I'm trying to simplify for a single post.
-God the Holy Spirit is the piece of God within all living things. It is the driving force of the universe that connects us to the Father and Son which make us holy in return. It is what allows us to be able to commune directly with the Lord, and is also the most mysterious aspect of God.
The trinity is the closest way we as Christians have come to understand the true nature of God's existence, and while specifics may differ across denominations, the core of it all remains the same.
Peace be upon you, brothers. Praise be to God and the prophets who brought His word to humanity.
This was actually really interesting to watch!
Glad you enjoyed the video Renlamo!
-Rohaib
The Trinity-or more likely the duality-is an enigma. One can either take it as something inherently contradictory, or simply as a Zen like mystery in which God is both one and dual.
Orthodox Christianity is the first one, even according to the video with History of Christianity in a nutshell. Then, part of the Church changed the concept of the Trinity (Filioque) and added the Purgatory. Orthodox rejected it but the reformers couldn t accept it and split from the original. These are the Catholics.
I have to make the following statements too:
1. Jesus will come back on Earth to judge, according to both Christianity and Islam. There is the thing though: only God can judge.
2. In John 17:5, Jesus tells Yahweh (The Father) to worship Him as He worshipped His Father on Earth (note: the word "Son" is not referring to being a physical "son"). No prophet would do that because that would mean blasphemy against God. The 17th chapter in John is even called "The prayer for self." . Now, are we going to question God's actions? Jesus is not Yahweh but He is God. There are three persons in one essence/being. And Jesus has two natures. One human, and one divine. But He is yet one person.
3. When someone asks for the explanation of christian verses, it is VERY important to know which interpretation to look into. In order to do that the right way, we have to find out what interpretation of the bible verses is the oldest. So, for that, we got to look into the church history. I recommend an orthodox bible study book.
4. The Holy Communion goes way back to when Jesus gave His apostles the bread and the red wine (which Jesus called them as His body and blood) to let them have part in His light, in His Kingdom, to not lose the eternal life. (I am not referring to work-based salvation 100% - I need an orthodox fellow to help me with that).
5. Jesus was the only sinless Man to ever live on Earth. Saying that God doesn t need to become a human in order to bless the humanity and change the covenant, judges the way God intended everything to be. God is all powerful, so He can become a human as well.
6. Abraham, Moses and all the other succesors after them worshipped in Liturgy, with insence.
I would love to see you guys reacting to more church history , from the first 7 councils until now. History is very interesting. Much love, fellas! 💙
Hey IceBlu, appreciate the info on Church history!
More content to come, please be sure to subscribe, will help out our channel a lot!
-Hamza
Christian here to explain "faith alone" basically means that only by faith can you get to heaven or be with god and you cant do a check list to get their. HOWEVER if someone's faith is true usually you would see them doing works such as charity and feeding the poor because since their faith in god is true and they follow his word they would want to do the good he ask us to do.
So that's why its more important to focus on ones faith because once you have it works will come later out of a desire not just to get to heaven but because you actually have the love in your heart and care/ want to do it for no other reason then because you know its the right thing to do and it can serve the lord.
As an example
Faith alone: a friend comes and helps you fix your washing machine because your his friend
Works: A handy man comes and does it because you paid him 20 bucks.
Both are good and produce good but done for different reasoning. Ones love for your friends the other is a transaction. With the transaction being heaven.
17:35 The book of James says the same thing basically. It says faith without works is dead (and dead faith is not a saving faith). It also says that we can see that Abraham was justified by faith and works (and James is using the word justification differently that Paul). Most Protestants can easily affirm justification by faith (as Paul says) even faith alone (as the Reformers emphasized) and that Abraham was justified by faith and works because works prove (i.e. justify) your faith to be true faith.
James actually says nothing about dead faith not being saving faith. That's a common misinterpretation, but you are thinking of the word justification. Justification in this context in James does not refer to being justified in the eyes of the lord, but rather in the sense of justifying an argument. You justify your faith by your actions, if you do not act question then how can you justify saying you are saved?
It is less that if you do work then you are saved, it is more that if you are saved then you will do work.
The trinity is pretty easy to explain:
1. We are 3 dimensional beings with limitations, God is not. Just like a drawing cannot understand the third dimension, depth, we cannot understand the 4th and 5th etc. dimensions. God can do and be as He pleases, so you understanding does not change God's reality.
2. Like a cube is depth, hight, and width, but it is one cube, God is 3 in one. All are cube themselves, but all 3 are the cube. They are not split, they are all cube, but together they are one cube.
3. Some say 1+1+1=3, but God is not finite, God is infinite, so it should be ∞+∞+∞=∞, or since God is above us, 1x1x1=1, 1/1/1=1.
All of our explanations are imperfect because we are finite creatures within creation, but God is infinite as you know. Could a two-dimensional creature truly understand the concept of the third dimension? No, but he can represent depth with slanted lines, like the 3d box illusion we all drew in school.
To answer the question about the Trinity… God is infinity itself, He is the First, Last, and Always. Through Him all things were created (and He created all things from Himself & for Himself) this is why He can never leave us or forsake us, this is why to love God you must love people, & this is how the Trinity can be 3 in one.
My name is Malach, if you have any questions about this or God in general I invite you to ask me.
Thanks for the comment Malach!! Glad to have you here on our channel 😁
-Hamza
How I understand the trinity.... This is an analogy, Lets say The ocean is God. Now You take 2 vessels and fill both with ocean water, now all of the ocean, cannot be contained in either contaiber, one is God who came in the Flesh as Jesus ( Flesh is called sons of God) and the other vessel is the Holy Spirit, that is poured into the Hearts of believers, and all attributes Of God is in the Holy Spirit. That covers the weakness of the Flesh and we rely on his strength, that comes through the Holy Spirit. God is great and vast. That all the earth cannot contain God The Almight. Thank you for your video i really enjoyed.❤
Hello Micheller1210, thanks for sharing the analogy!
You mentioned that the Holy Spirit makes up for the weakness of the Flesh, which is the Son…
If the Son is weak then the Trinity concept doesn’t exactly make sense since we’ve learned that all parts of the Trinity are co equal AND all powerful independent from each other…
Not trying to come off rude at all, just from what we learned from this video and the “Trinity explained” video on our channel, your analogy doesn’t make 100% sense?
Let me know your thoughts as well if I’m incorrect!
-Hamza
Hey Micheller this is a pretty good example, the problem is that the father son and Holy Spirit according to the agreed interpretation of the Trinity are fully God. Meaning the vessels themselves have to equal the ocean with all its properties, size, and characteristics, again due to the Trinitarian doctrine claiming that each three heads of the Trinity are all fully God. Another issue is the father son and spirit are not the same as each other and have different characteristics so the three vessels of water would have to differ.
-Rohaib
It's not about size, it's the Authority , however like I said it's an analogy..... It's a very confusing, but then it's not, lol have to just trust and pray for a better understanding.😅 🙏🏼 Thanks 😊
@@MuslimMindsUS About the Flesh I was talking about Mankind We have weaknesses and we ask The Holy Spirit to infill us in the Name of Jesus . And no I didn't take what you were saying as rude You were just asking about clarification .... Also There are some Christian that would say oneness and not the trinity, I myself don't get caught up in linguistic wars 😮😂
Nice video, muslim minds need to get these guys on Joe Rogan asap. Also, my answers are 2:59 hours long, not 3 smh.
at this point I know more about Thomas Aquinas than my family 😂
Thanks Bernardo for correcting Rohaib, I’m sure he appreciates your input 😁😉
You guys should react to the “Arian heresy/ Arianism.”
It was an early form of Christianity that had views of Jesus closer Islam’s view of Jesus (and what lots of academic scholars believe helped form Islam).
It ultimately was stamped out at the council of Nicaea as a heresy
A thing to remember is that the protestant reformation (which was started by Martin Luther and the guy who started Calvinism) started because the Catholic church at the time were saying you can buy your way into heaven.
Yes I think I remember them being called “indulgences” right?
So with that fact you shared, are you saying that the Protestant reformation and the denominations that come from them are in a way “less valid” than maybe the earlier denominations? Since indulgences seemed weird when I learned about it.
Looking forward to your response Knight of BlackFyre!
@@MuslimMindsUS yeah they were called indulgences if I'm remembering right. I wouldn't say they were less valid, one of Luther's points was that the Bible should be readable to anyone and not just the Priests and preachers that were taught Latin to read it. Before the reformation the only Christians that could read the Bible were the Church and maybe the Nobility/royalty. At the very least the reformation has made it so anyone could read the Bible. And, and I might be wrong on this as it's been a long while since I've even thought about it, the Popes did launch some crusades against other sects of Christiany such as the Cathars. For the life of me I can't remember anything about the Cathars besides that they had very little in common with Catholicism. Anglicanism I would say is less valid for the fact that it was created by Henry the 8th as the result that the pope wouldn't allow a annulment of Henry's first marriage and that his mistress and next wife was a protestant so Henry made his own church. I apologize if this wasn't coherent it's almost midnight and I'm tired.
@@knightofblackfyre7950 Wow, very interesting information, we never knew this!!
Reformationists starting the Bible being able to be read by everyone is definitely a good thing in our eyes.
Wrong. Indulgences were a way of "donating" money to the church to lessen your time in purgatory. According to Catholic believe, you don't enter heaven immediately, if you didn't confess and repent for your venial sins. You go through a purifying process that takes place in purgatory to cleanse your soul before entering heaven. The length of this purification process is dependant on the amount and gravity of the sins commited. But being in purgatory means that you are already destined for heaven. The church didn't say that you can commit mortal sins without repenting and still get to heaven even when buying indulgences. That being said, I'm pretty sure the church admitted that the selling of indulgences was wrong and stemmed from corruption, but it isn't anywhere as bad as you make it seem.
@@nova-fk8dh that wasn't how it was taught to me but granted I grew up Baptist. I was going off what I remembered so i apologized if I got indulgences wrong. I wasn't aware of the purgatory part so thank you for that information.
I’m an atheist but I find religion fascinating and love learning about religions and I really enjoy your guy’s commentary it’s so interesting
Appreciate it! Glad you enjoy our videos!
-Hamza
Great video, I love learning about other religions and perspectives. I am a Lutheran and have a correction, we do not believe as the Catholics do that the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of Christ. We do believe that Christ is specially and specifically present in the bread and wine and is more than just symbolic. We also believe in Faith Alone you will be saved but if you truly have that faith you will then do God's will and give good works.
Very interessing and respectful reaction !
Thanks Nicolas, I am glad you enjoyed it!
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-Hamza
The Trinity was explained to me like a 3 leaf plant:
Each leaf is not the same as the other leaf. But all leaves belong to the same plant. The leaf is not the plant, nor is it the same leaf as the other two.
So, Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are separate parts. But they all belong to the same entity.
Hey Thomas, we reacted to the Trinity explained in 5 minutes, around the 10 minute mark we learned that this belief is heretical and called "partialism". th-cam.com/video/88seBpWDDaU/w-d-xo.html
Let me know what you think...
Thanks for the comment!
-Hamza
Some of the things that you are expressing at 25:13 is exactly the reason there is Protestantism. (Also, BTW, you express very well both the Christian and Islamic view that it is God's mercy that saves us ultimately, and not anything we do.)
To answer you question about faith, as a Baptist ( who is also a part of the Southern Baptist Convention which is basically like a so called "confederation of churches" that is very missions minded and is often times under a lot of controversy due to corrupt and immoral actions by some of its leaders, many of the U.S. states also have their own conventions including my own), this is my best interpretation to explain it. Your belief and trust, which is your faith, will dictate your actions. That's not to say your going to do wrong and sin because we are human after all, but its your faith in Christ that saves you. There's a process that I was taught called the ABCs, A-Admit your a sinner, B- Believe that Christ is who he says he is through his crucifixion and resurrection, C- confession with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord. Of course many Christians abuse this and think they can go on sinning, but we know that will always sin everyday, again being human but we know that Christ was perfect and that his death on the cross and resurrection covered all our past and future sins and through our faith in Christ we will be saved from death and have eternal life in heaven with him. Its after this that you are Baptized to publicly display your faith. Hope this helps!
We belive that god can do everything we dont set boundaries ☦️
can God cease to exist ?
Hey guys, great video. I love videos where Christian’s and Muslims interact with each others faith.
One thing I wanted to call out/bring your attention to is that there’s a sect of Christianity (a very small sect, but still) of Christianity called “biblical Unitarians” that do not believe that Jesus is God. They reject the trinity. They, similar to Muslims, believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the savior, the “final Adam” but they do not believe he is God in human form. They essentially interpret the scriptures in a way that Jesus is a messenger for god- he brings about the word and essence of god.. but is not actually God.
This is of course highly controversial to many traditional Christian’s, so they’re generally cast out as “not real Christian’s.”
I wouldn’t go as far as say I agree with them, but they do bring up a good point in my opinion/experience where if you just read the New Testament with no outside preconceived notions -you would come away with it that God is god, and Jesus is the son of God. Two distinct people with the father being higher than the son. They argue you have to read the trinity into the scriptures instead of seeing the trinity come out of it.
But anyways, again great video guys!
Thank you ! That was really interesting. I live in a country that was traditionally very christian (calvinist), but not so much anymore. I was not raised into a religion, but after my searching into religion and other spirituality, chose for christian belief. I do appreciate that you, from your islamic view, gave a sincere overview and comment about christianity and its branches. For, one thing, there are a lot of muslims in my country now, and my elder/oldest sister is now among them, and had (with real effort on my side) a lot of contact with muslims. There is a lot in this video that i feel inclined to react/discuss about some points. But, here is not probably a good place to get in a discussion about theological issues...
But, now, here, some points of mine :
I do see the "trinity" dogma as a way to express something complicated, not to be taken too seriously (I might not be Nicean by saying this), though i do i do align with the (mainline) protestant christian church. i do appreciate your challenge on trinity.
However, i do not like your attack on "sola fide"... You did not mention "sola fide" directly, and blamed it to the reformed/calvinists, and while my ancestors might have taken this to another level, but this was one of the 3 basic tenets of Martin Luther ("sola gratia, sola fide, sola scriptura"), it never meant for any believer, that you could do bad things, very many traditional christians in the Netherlands, i.e. dutch reformed/calvinist, were active in dutch resistance during german (Nazi) ocuupation in WW-II, 1940-'45, many others were too, but how can you claim that "sola fide" leads to not taking responsibility ? ?
Oc, i take now that you might be talking from a USA-situation? The "white evangelicals" in the US might not be talking from a standpoint that is acceptable for christians/protestants in Europe or even for non-white evangelicals in the US.
Sorry that "we" (people aligned with christianity) make things so difficult for people not aligned with christian belief. I do belief that, respectfully, as in your video, expressing our views (even if, my view seems not to align with your view), talking can bring us together.
Thank you for the wonderful comment Paul, stay tuned for more academic content! We really appreciate viewers such as yourself.
-Rohaib
I'm excited to find your channel, brothers. I appreciate your respectful and honest curiosity of our faith and hope these interactions bring mutual peace and prosperity to us all. I would love to see y'all's opinions on religious music, if copyright claims permit. I would especially be interested in Amazing Grace, and a Catholic hymn called On Eegles Wings, especially as performed by Chris Brunell
God bless
Edit: prayer in English means request. Think about Shakespeare language, where people ask for a favor with "pray thee," or "prithee." "Pray thee, does thou have the time" does not mean "oh time god, what time is it."
We believe the saints are alive in heaven, with everlasting life, including Mary. Jesus said when two it more are gathered in His name, He is there. Our appeals to saints are like when we ask anyone to pray for us. "Thoughts and prayers for our family, grandmother is at the hospital" does not mean "my friend and family on Facebook, we think you are gods, save my grandma." Saints and Mary are not divine. They don't stand in for God. They are our friends who help us, people touched by God who serve as role models and avenues to faith.
Prayer is not the same as worship, the words have been conflated in modern language in a way that does not actually reflect the theology. Our relationship to the saints and Mary is more similar to your relationship to Mohammed than not.
In our Nicene creed, we say Christ was begotten, not made, and since this is a 1800 year old Creed this point about how can God make himself must be a very old one.
Very impressed with the start of this video guys, you've been genuinely curious and fair in at least attempting to understand things like the trinity instead lf outright denying it. You havent made any cheap shots or eye rolling jokes or showed a bias. Big kudos for being genuine, i wish we could speak over at a cafe or something.
I agree, the trinity is a difficult thing to get some to understand fully, but i think the reason people use analogy and metaphor to describe it, is exactly because using formal language is hard for the uninitiated.
The trinity itself almost became a necessity, as the use of the word "God" ,and its "spirit" became more evident which implied atleast 2 active agents, and yet they seemed to be connected and the same in their core reception
In the beginning *God* created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the *Spirit* of *God* was hovering over the waters.
Then we add :-
In the beginning was the *Word*, and the *Word* was with *God*, and the *Word* was *God*. 2 *He* was with *God* in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made."
So in these to opening verses of genesis and john, you see God, Spirit of God, Word of God.
These are interconnected, and some more images to help understand a bit more, think of a graph that has multiple axis, all of them are separate, but intersect in the middle point.
Our universe is multidimensional, in the sense that we can be a son, father and brother, all different roles but interconnected by the singularity which is yourself.
A coin is a single object but it has three distinct surfaces, two faces and a side.
2 rivers come out of a mountain spring, all are separate but are connected by the shared source of water.
I hope these help, and yes i agree that it can seem like mental gymnastics, but heres a question. You as muslims think that Gods essence would be too hard for us to take or understand? Well the trinity, if its kind of makes sense but not really to you, then perhaps thats exactly true? Its beyond human comprehension because we exist in a 3D dimension. But God has multiple dimensions availibe to him. Just a thought, keep it up guys!
here's one thing y'all absolutely speak facts, and where i think the muslims are a lot closer to the truth then protestants, and i say that as a Orthodox Christian, is Works, the Bible in the Book of James actually says: "Faith without Works, is Dead" as it is! so yes Works are just as important as Faith. aswell as what y'all say about the Pope, that he has absolutely no authority is absolutely true aswell. Christ has Risen. God Bless. ☦
The Lutheran view is called Consubstantiation and does not mean that the bread and wine is turned into the literal body and blood of Christ (the Catholic view), but with the blessing of the elements, Jesus becomes spiritually present in the elements and can give you strength.
8:31 actually the Trinity is in the Old Testament, the Old Testament had the Lord, the Angel of the Lord, and the Spirit of the Lord. A big example of this is when God speaks to Moses in the burning bush, it says the Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses, but then the Angel says "I am the God of your fathers".
I think the Athanasian creed gives the best explanation of the trinity you're probably ever gonna get.
Hey guys, thanks for making such a great video. I'm an agnostic now, but I used to be Catholic and then an Anglican. Here's my explanation of the Trinity:
The Trinity is made of three parts, who are all God in equal parts. On part of the Trinity is God the Father, who, for me, is the God from the Old Testament/Jewish Bible. Then there is Jesus; even though Jesus is the Son of God, he is also on the same level as God. Finally, there is the Holy Spirit, who inspires us humans. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all equal, different, and God! Part of Christianity is accepting we will never understand this. I hope this clears things up a little. If not let me know. Similarly, if you disagree, let me know! it's good to debate this stuff.
Hey Martin, thanks for the explanation!!
Well, for Muslim we simply believe in God/Allah and nothing else, just plain monotheism.
I understand that Christian’s also believe in “monotheism” as y’all would say but in the form of the Trinity. But for us it’s difficult since monotheism in Islam makes rational sense, but as you said, you have to accept the Trinity maybe “doesn’t make sense”… that’s what it seems from what I read from your comment and other explanations so far.
Interesting to jeer of your religious journey Martin and appreciate the comment!! 😁
-Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS From another catholic, that´s it exactly! It does not make rational sense, we will never be able to grasp it.
However, this is not a weakness in the theological theory, because it does not claim to be completely rational, and sometimes relies on pure faith in order to believe truths beyond our understanding.
For me, it´s a beautiful recognition of our limitations as humans as compared to God. It´s a claim that by faith only in Him we accept His essence, our flawed reason is not enough. As you put it, it is quite literally believing 3=1, if God claims it, or there existing a square circle. On this matter, we detach ourselves from logic. After all, it may be incomplete or deficient in ways logic itself cannot grasp (for a two-dimensional being, for example, a sphere is an impossible shape). All three persons are God, and God is one.
In that sense, you can also see how the claim is truly, irrationally, strictly monotheistic. On the matter of Himself, we humble ourselves by completely giving up the best method of knowing we have, reason, which pales in comparison to His greatness.
Hope that makes sense. They key takeaway is that the Trinity indeed doesn´t make sense, and that is what makes it so beautiful.
This explanation borders on partislism which is heresy
You mentioned 3 Gods
I am raised Catholic then my father turned Muslim; I told my dad that "works" are filthy rags before God. The Lamb of God is needed (sacrifice) with it to be pleasing before God.
*Sanguis Cristi + grace + genuine repentance +(if there's opportunity) works= saves
For us Catholics The dogma of the Holy Trinity is the belief that there is one God who exists in three distinct Persons: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit. These three Persons are not separate gods; they are all one and the same God but in different forms or manifestations.
Think of it like water. Water can exist as a liquid (like when we drink it), as a solid (like ice), and as a gas (like steam). Even though water appears differently in these three states, it's still fundamentally water. Similarly, God exists in three Persons - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit - but is still one God.
30:12 Yep. Catholics believe that St. Peter was probably the most "flawed" of the apostles and yet Jesus chose him to build his church on. So there's obvious "precedent" that God works through imperfect people.
Hey kv, why do Catholics believe Peter is the most flawed of the apostles? Based of the Bible?
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-Hamza
From the Lutherans
"The Trinity is a mystery which cannot be comprehended by human reason but is understood only through faith and is best confessed in the words of the Athanasian Creed, which states that we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in unity, neither confusing the Persons nor dividing the substance, that we are compelled by the Christian truth to confess that each distinct Person is God and Lord, and that the deity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one, equal in glory, coequal in majesty."
Credit to Ps Hans Fiene
Hey! What's up? I'm a Protestant, and I found your channel through Redeemed Zoomer. You know, I know, as a Protestant, that Christianity is so disagreeing because it is very dogmatic and very logical, in the sense that some people get influenced by western Philosophy and start disagreeing about what even are the essentials. The very name "Protestant" explains how the West, specially Europe and North America, developed. Luther, along with Zwingli, Calvin, Cramner, Vermingli etc. Started to protest. Nailing the theses in Wittenberg was an act of protest, and, from the Catholic perspective, an insubmission to the Church - which represents God on Earth from the Christian perspective. But that's the surface. Maybe some Muslim scholars will do the same, but the truth is: Medieval Christian Scholars were diverse. Some were mystic, some were detailistic, and not all of them would become heretics, although the ones "kicked out", as said by zoomer, are the most noticeable heretics.
Catholics, because of that (even some of the Liberal ones) believe that "The One True Roman Catholic Apostolic Church" is an essential of the faith. So do Eastern Orthodox, who say they're "Catholic but Not Roman, not Not-Denominational, but Pre-Denominational, not tied, not changed, because It's Eternal". Or sth like that.
But you know? IDK. Sometimes it just feels that both the RCAC (Roman Catholic Apostolic Church) and the EOAC (Eastern Orthodox Apostolic Church) have failed because of power, and then became puppets. The former, for the European Union or whatever, the latter, for the Russian Government.
I mean "logic" in the sense that A=A, if you say A=B then it suddenly seems you're talking A≠A. Maybe because Early Christians were just very good at dialetics and not very good at logic. Or the reverse. Idk anyway.
The predestination vs free will question is a hard one logically. Like most holiness/Pentecostal/Methodists I believe in our free will and our free choice. God does not decide for us, but he has foreknowledge about what choice we will make. God can see all eternity from start to finish.
As a Catholic, I felt both of you were very fair and offered well reasoned points. Some of the criticism I disagree with, but it is still fair and understandable from an Islamic perspective.
I think Islam and Judaism are closer religions to each other. Orthodox are closest Christians to both, with Catholics next and most Protestants being pretty far off.
As for Catholic specific points you made, I understand the Trinity being confusing. I feel its somewhat similar to Adam and Eve with Eve being created from Adam but both being separate beings. God created the Son and Holy Spirit and are of him.
Pope is kinda like a modern King, and in my opinion the first Vatican counsel in 1861 created some problems because it said Pope's can't be wrong, and the more recent Pope's have started contradicting prior ones, while most prior ones were roughly the same.
Saints and Mary I 100 % understand your point and think it can easily be precived as worship but its mostly emphasized that people in the after life can hear you, and its ok to ask them to also pray to god for you. Most other religions and especially Protestants I feel the explanation is a disingenuous explanation and that the prayers are subordinateing oneself to a saint, but its not the case. Mary is unique though because she was chosen for such an important task. Additionally on saints I would say at least I never encouraged to pray for their intercession.
Hey Aaron, thanks for sharing your experience as being a Catholic! Looks like the way you worship is extremely similar to Islam 🙂
Please subscribe if you haven’t, would really help our channel.
-Hamza
Will do! 😀
I dont know if its too late but ill try to explain the question at 6:11 . The trinity is basically 3 forms of the one God.
So Basically God manifests himself in 3 forms; The father is more or less the wise old sage at the top that runs everything, hes in charge and everyone listens to him, he's also all powerful and is the one in charge of everything, he's the zeus or the odin or the Allah to put it clearly, either way hes the big one in charge.
The holy spirit is the manifestation of God's power in believers, so basically God gave believers a part of his spirit which does a lot of things such as comfort, teach and guide. He does a lot of things such as giving spiritual gifts which is a big aspect of him. Basically when you hear miracles or read some crazy thing that happened in the bible that was done by some prophet (elijah and elisha for example) it was the holy spirit acting through them.
Jesus is the son of God, he is God but he's not the father nor the holy spirit. He came down to sacrifice himself for us and he's gone back to work with the father to prepare heaven for believers.
Redeemed zoomer (the channel theyre watching th-cam.com/video/9f4BJgaOStI/w-d-xo.html ) has a video on it and I Tim Mackie ( th-cam.com/video/eAvYmE2YYIU/w-d-xo.html )from the bible project also has a video on it. I think those 2 videos can give you more insight into the topic
Hey Joseph, appreciate your explanation! We actually did the Trinity video by redeemed zoomer, please check it out.
Also please be sure to subscribe, would really help us out! th-cam.com/video/88seBpWDDaU/w-d-xo.html
-Hamza
You two did very well...I try to see " common - ness" in anything
Especially regarding religion
to me all major religions are similar. Im a catholic and i love orthodox and Baptist... There is similarity even between an atheist and a Muslim 😂 or a Christian
About Trinity, the explaination I like the most is this one :
The Father is first, He knows everything, and so He knows Himself. This knowledge of Himself is perfect, and so it contains the Father Himself (this is perfect self-consciousness).
This self-knowledge of the Father is the Son, it is also known as the Word (or Logos in greek).
John 1:1 : "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Then they are two persons : The Father and the Son. Since they are both perfect and know each other is perfect, they experience and perfect and full love of each other. This love is so full, so total and perfect, that it contains God Himself in his entirety once again. So this love is also God. This is the Holy Spirit.
Notice : this is a view that is mostly spread in the west of christianity (catholicism and most of protestantism). In the east (eastern orthodoxy) they consider that the Holy Spirit is only the love of the Father to the Son, and not both ways like we do.
23:12 The Presbyterian/ Reformed teaching comes from St. Augustine, who lived in the fifth century.
The trinity is that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all God, as your body, mind, and spirit are all you. They are separate but one together.
Hello Michael, I see what you mean. However the Trinity is supposed to be co-equal in all aspects, so the body mind and spirit example does not make sense, they are not equal at all.
Also you could say the spirit came first. The example isn’t fully equating….
Thanks!
-Hamza
He has a point. No analogy is perfect for the Trinity.
From our understanding, when using analogies it’s almost impossible to avoid heretical comparisons when doing so.
-Rohaib
Trying to connect Christian beliefs with paganism breaks down when you read City of God by St Augustine of Hippo. He makes a very profound and sharp distinction between Christians and pagans
Thanks for the recommendation, I will definitely check that out
-Rohaib
Hey there! Christian here. I definitely empathize with interacting with a lot of Christians that have different understanding of the trinity (Theres a great comedy video by a channel called Lutheran Satire on the bad analogies that exist out there, definitely check it out haha).
The trinity is a view of God that is based on three things in scripture: One, there is only one God. Two, The father, son, and spirit are all identified as that one God. Three, the Father, Son, and Spirit are not the same persons (IE, they reference each other in the new testament so they can't just be like different manifestations of one person).
So, we have to say that God the Father is coeternal with his Word and His Spirit. Similarly to the way that the eternal Quran is said to be eternal speech of God, the Word of God is eternal with Him and shares his same divine nature and participated in creation. They are not partners, but are one God, similar to how in the Sunni view Allah's word, though coeternal with him, is not a partner with Allah but rather his Speech. The chief difference is that we would say that God's eternal Word is God Himself, since there can be nothing else co-eternal with God besides Himself. The incarnation, then, is the enterring of the eternal Word into His own creation and taking on a human nature.
Appreciate the video!
Hey, I am a Christian and I will try to explain TRinity as good as possible from my understanding of it. If theres any other christians that think I am wrong, then feel free to tell me.
So first you need to understand that God is omnipresent. This means God can be everywhere at any time. This will be Important to understand how the father, the son and the holy spirit can exist at the same time.
I believe that the father, the son and the holy spirit have a different purpose, so its easier for us to understand how the trinity works. Imagine this like an anime character, who can shapeshift into different creatures, depending on what he needs (similar to Ben 10 if you know it), but since God is omnipresent, he can be everywehere , anyway, everytime, not like this character that can be only one at a set place for a certain duration.
So what are these roles? the first one, that we are going to talk about, is the father. The father is the one, that we talk to and the one, that speaks to us through the holy spirit.
Next is the holy spirit. The holy spirit is the response to our prayers, the help we get from others, the way god speakts through people, to people and the good that happens.
Last but defently not least is the son, Jesus. Jesus is the way god wants us to live like. Jesus is the one, that died for our sins. Jesus is our salvation. Jesus is God in human flesh.
I hope that you were able to understand what I tried to explain and If you have any questions or think that I am wrong, then feel free to ask/tell me.
God bless✝
Seem like I forgot to ad indicators of trinity in the bible. Here are some from the top of my head Gen,1.26; 3,22; 11,7. If you dont understand how these are indicators to trinity, then feel free to tell me.
Answer to 17:15 is Romans 4:5 or basically the whole chapter
(as of rn, I may have left some things out but in my defense im righting this right before bed lol)
Hey, as a protestant, Baptist, on the topic of "by faith alone", I agree that yes there is the thought that actions speak louder than words. But, when you yourself have a relationship with the lord and you know you believe, and god knows you believe in him, it doesn't really matter, as in the gospels Jesus asks you to BELIEVE and to FOLLOW him. As followers of christ, we strive to follow the ways and teachings of jesus and the life he lead, and his ministry.
What i'm trying to say is that just because you do good deeds, doesn't necessarily mean you believe, as one can do good deeds but can also be an athiest. But in contrast as a follower of christ, when one is compelled to do deeds of good, it is BECAUSE they believe. and if they truly are a follower of christ, they follow his teachings, "In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you...” for example, or also other things like helping the less fortunate. - side note, I'm not trying to imply that you guys as individuals do not believe in God just for doing good deeds! -
So by faith alone for a follower of christ is part of their fulfilment and duty to the lord/jesus (wtvr u want to use). If you have faith in him, you have put faith that he is the messiah, the son of god, and the son of man, that his teachings are the word of god, that to live by them is to live like christ, to be closer to him, and they he will promise you eternal life with the father in heaven. So saying by faith alone, is to include all of these things because if someone claims to be a christian and follower of christ BUT does not try their best to live by the teachings of the TRUE jesus of the bible, who didn't have an ounce of bigotry in him, then they are a phony.
To conclude my little tangent, I think it's safe to say that your actions do not prove your beliefs, but your beliefs reveal themselves upon your actions.
May you interperate this how you'd like, thank you for being very respectful throughout your questions and comments! God bless y'all :D
The Trinity is considered to be the most complicated concept in Christianity. Essentially God is one being but three persons, which sound like a contradiction but here’s the thing, you have a trinity. You have a mind, body, and soul. God also has a mind, body, and soul. They are called God the Father (Yahweh), God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Spirit.
Also this same guy made a video explaining the Trinity so you can watch that too.
Hi Kvothe, thanks for your comment.
The problem with describing the Trinity like this is that this analogy would be guilty of partialism which is a heresy, as one body would be made up of these separate parts such as body, mind, and soul. But on their own they are not fully human. The Trinity teaches that Jesus the father and the Spirit are all fully God. So the difference is substantial with this example and cannot apply.
-Rohaib
You are a singular being.
Your soul is you.
Your body is you.
Your consciousness is you.
Your body is not your consciousness.
Your consciousness is not your soul.
Your soul is not your body.
But these are what makes you, you.
God is one in essence.
About the Faith alone concept: in the book of James in the New testament James writes about this saying that works don't save you, but they are a outward expression of your faith, so if you have faith that is alive you will have good works or actions that prove you have faith.
James 2:18 (CSB) But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I will show you faith by my works.
Redeemed Zoomer explains the trinity in his video about every book in the Bible
Hey Danoof! Okay cool, maybe we will end up reacting to it!
Thanks
-Hamza
Thats why it is said that Christianity isnt a religion. Its a relationship.
I’m a Lutheran (ELCA- the liberal ones who ordain women and LGBT as clergy). My particular denomination in the Lutheran tradition has what’s called “full communion” relationships with other liberal branches of other Protestant groups- Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Reformed, and Moravians, iirc. Full communion basically means that we consider the theological differences between our denominations to be insignificant and recognize each other’s ordinations and sacraments as valid, allowing for the possibility of sharing clergy between the denominations, while maintaining our respective traditions. Anyway, I wanted to respond to your response to Calvinists/Reformed and the whole concept of predestination. Actually, many Lutherans would say the same thing about good works as what you did. Lutheranism would say that while we are made right with God by faith alone, good works are the natural response to what God in the person of Jesus Christ has already done if a person has true faith. A person who has genuine faith will want to do good not to secure their own salvation or righteousness, but to lead others to God and to let others know what God has already done for them in His infinite love and mercy. Also, with regards to Communion, while is certainly means is- that was a sticking point between Luther and Zwingli, a Swiss Protestant reformer- Lutherans aren’t quite as literal as the Catholics. From a non-Lutheran Protestant perspective, it certainly seems so, especially if we’re talking about the Baptist churches, but the Lutheran position is consubstantiation vs the Catholics’ transubstantiation. Catholics say that while the elements of the sacrament might appear unchanged, the substance has literally been changed into the flesh and blood of Christ. Lutherans would say that Christ is certainly really present in the sacraments, which is what gives them their saving power, but we stop short of saying that by some magic the elements become literal flesh and blood.
Hey there Joseph, thanks for the info of Lutherans vs catholic belief on the sacrament. I’d agree that saying it’s the literally flesh and blood of Jesus sounds extreme, especially from a Muslim perspective. Although I can see why both denominations have their beliefs.
You mentioned “ELCA”. With all due respect, why do y’all accept LGBT “preachers”, if I’m not mistaken, isn’t it considered a sin within the Bible? Of course if you’ve seen our other content, i would assume it doesn’t make you not a Christian, but do y’all opening accept those views as okay and encouraged?
Just curious to learn, hopefully you can see no disrespect with my asking 😅😁
-Hamza
@@MuslimMindsUS, there are a variety of opinions in the ELCA on that subject. The official statement in 2009 actually simply affirmed the status quo- it left the decision up to the local synod (basically the same thing as what Catholics would call a diocese- ELCA uses a form of episcopal polity, we have bishops, pastors, and deacons…) and/or individual congregation. There were ELCA congregations that had been celebrating same sex marriages and calling LGBT clergy, or who wanted to do so, before that time, and others who were opposed to the idea. The arguments used by many pro LGBT ELCA members include the implications of Galatians 3:28- “there is no longer Jew nor Gentile, slave or free, man or woman, because you are reconciled in Christ.” They argue that Christ came into the world to eliminate sin and that the sin condition includes the binaries and distinctions between us that can often serve as a barrier to loving our neighbor as ourselves. With regards to the passage in Leviticus forbidding homosexuality, one counter argument is that Scripture, at least not the Leviticus passage most commonly cited, never explicitly condemns lesbian relationships. In the case of Leviticus, it is silent on the matter. Thus, some of our clergy have speculated about what, exactly, the passage was referring to. Considering the cultural milieu of the ancient Israelites, there are a couple possibilities. First is that it could be condemning the temple prostitution of the Canaanite religion, and the second, likely interrelated, possibility is that it could be condemning pederasty/pedophilia, which the Greeks, in particular, who were possibly related to the Philistines, were known to engage in. Neither of which really is reflective of the relationship dynamics going on in any psychologically healthy LGBTQ relationship. The situation thus described (i.e. temple prostitution and pederasty) is also not reflective of a culture where love marriages (not saying that relationships between arranged marriage couples cannot be deeply intimate and loving and passionate, fyi- just talking about the basis for entering into marriage) are seen as normative and proper and arranged marriages are viewed with suspicion.
The Trinity is normally defined as "One Being of God, Three Divine Persons", while every human is one being and one person (to give the comparison). The Church Fathers explain the Trinity in more depth, and something that not a lot of Christians talk about is the Monarchy of the Father. In the Early Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church still, the Monarchy of the Father is given more emphasis. What the Monarchy of the Father means is that the Father is the One God and the sole source (mono arche) for the person of the Son/the Word (who emanates from the Father in the way of begetting) and the person of the Holy Spirit (who emanates from the Father in the way of spiration). Now even tho the Father is the One God, the Son and Spirit are equally Deity because of their eternal emanation from the Father. This same idea is seen in the ancient Jewish "Two Powers in Heaven" or "Many (i.e. 3) Powers in Heaven" ideas. Hope this helps, but Dr. Beau Branson explains the Early Church and Eastern Orthodox view very well in a series called "the Monarchy of the Father" on TH-cam and the late Dr. Michael Heiser (zikhrono livrakha - may his memory be a blessing) explains the Two Powers in Heaven idea in a video titled "Michael Heiser - Two Powers of the Godhead" on TH-cam.
Since the protestant reformation, and conflicts that caused, Christians tend to not war with one another. The cause for so many denominations tends to be because of one or more of these issues.
1) They have added to scripture.
This can either be by using a verse or passage which is confusing, or confusing when removed from context, then adding in a lot of explanation to twist scripture. Alternatively they may claim extant sources or divine revelation to add to scripture.
2) They ignore historical context & church tradition.
This is best demonstrated with progressive churches who desire to import 'modern' moral sensibilities into the church without regard for God or what scripture actually clearly says. They tend to take new modern interpretations, ignore verses, and shun almost all but the superficial tradition.
3) They ignore church tradition.
The church was unified for many hundreds of years, yes there were misunderstandings, confusion, interpretations, and occasional heresy's. But all were generally able to be argued and either corrected, adopted, or put down. Generally though particular traditions, interpretations, creeds, and biblical books were agreed upon. It is not reasonable to argue that early tradition should be thrown away, though some groups may, due to old (but relatively recent) traditions.
4) They ignore historical context.
Some churches hold so tightly and firmly to tradition, that they also revere traditional writings about scripture, sometimes even over a clear historical textual reading of particular verses.
5) They embrace historical context & church tradition.
Such denomination tend to be criticized for not being open to new ideas, or cherry picking how they interpret scripture when in conflict with tradition or traditional extant texts.
The author of the video being watched almost all the time discusses the Protestants who stole the Bible from the Catholics and only at the end talks about real churches. It's funny. It's the same if you make a video about Islamic denominations, talking all the time about Alawites, Ahmadiyya, Bektash. Only at the end of the video is a little mention of Sunnis and Shias .
Ahh okay, thanks for the insight. Yes if we saw an Islamic video like that we would be thrown off as well 😅
-Hamza
In a nutshell, I was always taught that the trinity is all God but in the different forms he can take. It’s also something that we’re taught that as humans we don’t have the capacity to fully understand.
I was christened Catholic as a baby, attended a Presbyterian church as a child, a Lutheran church as a teenager, and non denominational and southern baptist churches as an adult. My extended family is Catholic, but my father left the church. I don’t agree with many of the beliefs of the southern baptist church and tend to go to the Catholic Church for questions I am interested in. My understanding of Christianity is probably a messy mix of pieces I’ve drawn from different denominations.
Faith Alone is often misunderstood as just saying you believe and that's that. Not so. 2 key points
1- The focus of faith in salvation. You cannot save yourself (just works - which may lead to boasting). Salvation was made possible by God's grace. It is a gift. Therefore, faith must come first. (Ephesians 2)
2- The definition of faith. True faith must lead to action, that is the point, so true faith must by definition lead to works. (James 2)
Seems similar but there's some nuance. The Roman Church focuses on point 2 as justification for faith AND works. However, Faith Alone focuses on point 1 first and foremost - the need for true faith and humility to accept god's gift - and that point 2 is an inevitable consequence thereof.
Christian faith starts with believing that we are sinners and need redemption. Believing that Jesus Christ is God in flesh, came to earth, died as a sacrificial lamb which Abraham and Jews were told to do, and rose again to prove that he has the power to rise and can rise us; is the basic belief of Christianity. If someone believes that he/she is a Christian. Denominations do not matter except Catholicism.
The reason we have all denominations on one side and Catholics on the other side because they believe in other saints/righteous people like Mary and the disciples of Jesus were special people and can help them relay/recommend their prayers to Christ the son and the Father God. All other denominations reject that and believe that Jesus is the only intermediary between God and man. It was taught by Jesus Himself. Catholicism is like Islam to protestant Christians. They’ve incorporated unbiblical rituals into their belief system, like praying to Mary or Saints like Muslims pray to Mohammad, bow down to pagan shrine Kabbah, and kiss the Blackstone believing it forgives their sins.
Christians are not the only religion that has different denominations, Muslims have 71 sects, believing different islam from each other. Most common Sunni, Shiite, Ahmadiyya, etc.
Differences in denominations do not change the Christian faith. They change the way Christ the son and God the Father is worshipped. Basic and essential faith in Jesus Christ is the same.
Some churches think they can get more worldly blessings by worshipping with more music, more praising through gospel songs, speaking in angelic tongues, and some focus on receiving miracles. Some conservative churches believe in more Bible teaching, understanding, and following the Word of God, which is more important than worldly blessings.
Bottom line: The essential faith is to believe in Jesus as their personal savior who died for their sins and rose again to prove His deity.
The differences in denominations only affect how each denomination worships God, which does not affect the essential belief in Jesus.
Believing in Trinity does not affect one's belief in Christianity but does affect how we view and worship God.
Gay pastors and liberal churches are taking the liberty to distort the Bible and Christianity in the name of loving God because they know there are no consequences or threats from Christians; unlike Islam, who would put a stop to it by force.
Holy Communion is a symbolic practice. Christians believe it identifies them with Christ. His Body as crackers as Bread of Life and His Blood as Cranberry juice is a reminder that he took the punishment and shed His blood as a sacrifice for them. To Muslims, holy communion is a pagan practice because they are ignorant of Christianity. To Christians, it is a very important reminder and has nothing to do with any pagan practice. Christians do not drink blood or eat flesh. In fact, drinking blood is forbidden in the Bible.
On the other hand, in Islam, kabbalah was and is the pagan shrine, and the same rituals pagans were performing before Islam, are being performed by Muslims today. Touching/Kissing the Blackstone for forgiveness of sins and fertility purposes, is a pre-Islamic practice. Islamic sources confirm it. Vadoo, a pagan practice, performed by Sabeans’ pagan tribe before Islam.
Muslims complain that no one can sacrifice for another, but they sacrifice animals every year without even knowing why they are performing animal sacrifices. Islamic sources confirm that on the day of judgment, non-Muslims would be substituted for Muslims. Abraham and Jews sacrifice animals on their behalf for sin and atonement offerings.
Muslims do the same. Either Muslims are ignorant of the purpose of the animal sacrifices, or their imams are not telling them the truth of why they perform animal sacrifices. Animal sacrifice is a substitute for our sins and represents the human body when sacrificed. That’s why Jesus became a human and sacrificed for all humans who believe in Him and became a substitute for our bodies, which was supposed to be punished on judgment day. In addition, no more animals need to die substituting humans after the sacrifice of Jesus.
About good deeds:
Just go through your video, you are contradicting yourselves, you said good deeds are necessary, but then you are saying that good deeds will not save but God's mercy.
You are misrepresenting Christianity. It is the Christians who have done the most good in the world regardless of one’s religion than any other religion.
Christians believe that when we follow Christ, the good deeds flow through us automatically.
Unlike Muslims, Christians don't do good deeds to earn heaven but as a duty to fellow humans. That's why you will see many Christians helping anyone regardless of the race or religion, unlike Muslims who only support Muslims.
Muslims already believe in God, and basic creation should get this point easier than an atheist or any other non-Christians, which is why Christianity is the only belief system that is the truth.
Muslims and all other religions say that good deeds or God's mercy will save them without any punishment in judgment day....
why did God not save or forgive Adam and Eve for their small disobedience?
I'm sure they lived a long time in heaven before committing that small mistake. It wasn't that they were made, and the next day, they ate that forbidden fruit.
They were punished for their one small disobedience by human perspectives, and none of their offspring has been forgiven since and are waiting for the day of judgment.
Christianity teaches that no one is good enough to save him or herself and must pay for his or her sins, and even one sin is bad enough to God for Him to send us to hell. God kicked out Adam and Eve from heaven just for one sin, how can a man who commits sin day in and day out can pass God's judgement without punishment thinking his/her good works weigh more. Therefore, God's justice must be met. Jesus was sinless but became a sin for the world. So, when one believes that jesus paid for his or her penalty for sins, he/she believes in God's mercy through the death and substitute of Christ Jesus.
When we believe that Jesus's sacrifice was done on our behalf, God stays as an honest judge and doesn't favor someone for forgiving their sins by outweighing the good deeds. No honest judge forgives anyone’s crime because it was his or her first crime. No honest judge says that because you have done more good deeds than one crime; therefore, you are forgiven of your crime. The judge punishes the crime, disregarding how good a person may be.
In addition, Christianity teaches that when we genuinely believe in Jesus, our lives change, and the good deeds become a living standard of an average person. Unlike Islam, Christianity does not teach that if we did one thing bad , we could do two things good to make up the bad. We must try to avoid bad things at all times and if we do fail to avoid bad things, we must repent and try to overcome our physical desires that are unpleasing to God and could be harmful behaviors to ourselves and others.
Furthermore, it is a myth that's been taught to Muslims that Torah and Gospel have been changed because in Old Testament (Torah), God promised to send the savior who would redeem humanity and in New Testament he fulfilled his Word. In Old Testament, God promised to save humanity and, in New Testament, showed how he saved humanity.
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-Hamza
As a catholic how I see the trinity is like a chain with three links. It is one chain (one God) with 3 links (three persons) that are distinct but not separate. Also the Eucharist isn't pagan it is the actual words of Jesus Christ. He specifies in the bible that he is referring to his actually flesh and that it is not metaphorical. Many of his followers left after he said this which demonstrates that this teaching was literal (if it was just metaphorical they would not have left). While some pagans have similar traditions this Christian tradition developed separately from Paganism and has its roots in the original Christian texts. God bless
I was raised fundamentalist baptist. They have a very literal interpretation of the bible. They believe the world was created in 7 literal days 4000 years ago and evolution is a lie created by scientists. They also reject all rituals like the eucharist or confession and instead place all emphasis on the scriptures.
Once i learned how literal their interpretation of the bible was, I fell away from this faith into being mostly agnostic. I no longer agreed with the details of what i knew of Christianity, but I always believed there was a God. I also respected all religions and began studring others for a while to see what they all had in common and where they all differed. I came to believe that there was a God and an incredible universal truth, but no religion had gotten it exactly right because religions are ultimately a construct of man. But perhaps each religion had it's own wisdom to offer and it's point was a way to offer different paths to differt people in order to help them understand the real universal truth.
Because of this, I've recently been drawn in to listening to near death experiences, or NDEs. I find these easier to believe than ancient texts, like the bible for example, where like you said, the original is actually long lost. I treat NDEs as possible eye witness accounts to the real truth we are all trying to understand. They seem to describe something similar to the Eastern Orthodox where upon death, we realize that we are all part of the divine nature.
If you know anything about the kardeshev scale, it traditionally got to a type 3 civilization. But there is another version that takes this idea all the way out to a type 7. The description of a type 7 civilization is how I view God and all of nature, and think the NDEs support this. It's where God IS nature, the fabric of the universe, and the cululative experiences of all life within it. He understands everything about us, because he is us.
Hey BN13. Thanks is for sharing your story from baptist to agnostic while still believing in God. Very glad to have you comment on the video!
-Hamza
Also, with "by faith alone," my understanding of this, and what my church taught, being a sect that placed no value on rituals, was that if you died having never been a Christian for example, and thus never did any good works, but you repented at the last moment of your life, you would still be saved because ultimately, your salvation comes "by faith alone."
Now yes, if you claim to be a Christian earlier in life, then you should live what you believe. "By faith alone" is not an excuse to knowingly live a life of sin because you think you're off the hook. However, each denomination differs with what it believes to be good works. Some churches are more involved in charity, while others encourage missionary work. Our church most prioritized your personal relationship with God. Your expression of this didn't even have to include going to church if that wasn't for you. The good works were more in how you treated others and tried to live your life as Christ instructed.
The reason why some sects got so far away from any sort of ritual, and stressed "by faith alone" so heavily, was they saw in other sects, especially with catholics, an over importance on rituals to the point where faith didn't even seem to factor in. They didn't believe you could buy your way into heaven for instance, or that a priest could absolve you from sin, or that baptism or doing the eucharist would guarantee salvation. These were all just expressions of faith, not something to substitute for it. They also saw many people attending church as if only to show God "look at me! I got to church! Therefore I'm a good Christian." While never really living a Christian life. Like they were just doing the ritual to make sure they were off the hook. The book of Matthew even states that people like this don't get it, and salvation will come far more easily to the one who says the Lord's prayer alone at night in their closet and means it.
Great video guys. Very respectful and thoughtful. I'm Methodist. We, like other Protestants believe in Faith Alone. That doesn't mean we don't do good works. I like to explain algebraically; We believe Faith = Salvation + Works. If you don't have works your faith is not genuine or defective. Islam as I understand it believes more Faith + Works = Salvation.
I guess one major issue that christians may have with Islam in depicting christ as just a great messenger or prophet, is that Christ's own statements could only be considered outright blasphemy unless he were really God-made-man. One of you mentioned how, though you revere the prophet Mohammad(pbuh), you do not look to him or any of the other prophets as what connects you to Allah. That though they were holy, they were ultimately simply messengers. But Christ's entire message revolved around how humanity is too full of sin and detached from God to approach or know him directly, and that only through him can one access the Father, grace, forgiveness from sin and eternal life. That he alone was the way, truth and the life. And that salvation could come only through him. He didn't claim to simply preach the word of God, he claimed to BE the word of God.
He repeatedly made claims to power and authority that no created being could ever make without it being considered blasphemy of the highest order, and this nearly got him killed on multiple occasions before he was finally crucified. And everytime he could have clarified himself and said "No no no, I know how it sounds but you misunderstand me, I actually meant this." He doesn't, he lets the crowds get angry and chase him off, and in many instances, doubles down on his initial statement.
The bible goes so far as to say that he would lose hundreds of disciples due to things like this, all turning away because he would say something seemingly blasphemous and just keep doubling down on it. Telling them that they either accept his teaching or be incapable of receiving salvation.
So frankly, if we judge christ on his own words and actions. He was either a madman, conman, or God-made-man. Either he really was who the apostles preached him as, or billions of people over the course of the past two thousand years have been deceived and are all going to hell. There is no in between.
I highly recommend you read some of the letters of the early church fathers, many of whom were appointed by and knew the apostles directly. Their writings are considered historical documents and even part of 'sacred tradition' in catholic and orthodox churches, and will help give a very clear picture of what early christianity taught by the apostles looked like, and you'll find that their beliefs even as far back as the first and second century were startingly similar to orthodoxy and catholicism of today.
To answer the earliest question as a philosophy major and literature major:
The Trinity atleast as it is understood in my Lutheran church, is that God is 3 persons of a whole essence that is God, that they share a greater will but are ultimately "seperate" in roles and personalities.
There is support for the Trinity in the OT, (though it is harder to find the Holy Spirit) the first century Jews wrote about what they called [The Two powers in heaven] this was durived from the fact that quite a few times in the OT there are two figures both separate but are given God's divine name. There are a few times during visions of the prophets were it would apear that Holy Spirit is the one of the God Head giving the prophecy because it is titled the Spirit of the divine name.
See Micheal Heiser for more OT scholarship.
Our knowledge of the manuscripts of Christianity is no secret all of them from the earliest gospel which would be Mark to the last we have the closest thing to the originals and they are closer to the time of the person they talk about than any figure in ancient history.
We have countless documents and these variations that internet atheist out in Narnia (internet) would have you believe is a downside actually add the the legitimacy of the Gospel because the only "changes" are literary ones that do not ultimately change the meaning of the verses, and even in cases were words may be wrong is only because the closest words meanings have changed in society.
Biggest example is: "I greate Evil" well that is a translation error only because evil now has a different meaning it should be "I create calamity"
This is how I see the trinity as a Christian, God is 3 persons in 1 being. What does that mean? Let's use the example of a human called Paul. Paul has children, siblings and parents. So Paul is a father, a son and a brother. Paul being a brother doesn't affect him being a father and them same vice versa. And Paul being a son doesn't turn him into a different being it's just a different role. This is how we see God. But because God is God His roles CAN talk to each other and be separate, hope this helps.
Appreciate your description. I don't think that makes sense since any human has different roles but they will always remain a single person. All 3 of the Trinity as taught as separate persons, all independent of each other, but also co-existing. So from my outside view it does make really equate.
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-Hamza
I'm a Chrisitian and thought this was a really good video. In my experience, Muslim apologists can be a bit aggressive which is why I really liked your casual sit down approach. I'm glad you learnt somethings but Christianity and I appreciate you teaching me about Islam.
The way I see the trinity is that the Father, Son and Spirit are all completely distinct and at the same time all completely united as God. We as humans are finite but God is infinite in glory, love, power etc. We dwell in space and time while God is outside both God is the creator and sustainer of all things. When God told Moses "I AM WHO I AM" it is such an amazing and powerful statement revealing a small portion of God's glory to us. I agree with this comment "In regards to the Trinity. We don't expect for the nature of God to completely 'make sense' to the human mind. We are given as much as we can handle."
We Christians actually agree on a lot regarding works and faith. We believe we are saved by faith alone and we also believe that if you genuinely have faith that faith will result in deeds. James 2:14-26 talks about this. v26 sums it up "As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."
With regards to sinning, we believe that just because we are saved by faith alone and God's grace is infinite that doesn't mean we should keep sinning. We have a relationship with God we want to love and please him by pursuing righteousness but we also fear God and God's wrath. He is an infinitely just and powerful God only fools sin against him. Unfortunately none of us are without sin. Romans 6 and 1 John 1:5-2:11 cover this.
It's impressive how well-learned you are. You definitely know a lot about Christianity and more than some Christians. I'm not catholic but it was really cool how you explained what you regard as worship might be different to what the viewer might. I agree with what you said about what Catholics do and what the bible says.
Genuine Christian belief is rooted in the bible and what the bible says and the core fundamentals, the salvation issues, are in the Nicene creed. The creed isn't God's word it's a summary of the crucial points as a profession of faith. The majority of differences in denominations come from different interpretations of what isn't crucial for salvation e.g. baptists are credobaptists (only baptise adults because it's a personal declaration of faith) while other denominations are paedobaptists (baptise infants to dedicate them to God) generally most Christians believe that when and if you get baptised doesn't effect your salvation.
You definitely know your stuff and can discern what is genuinely Christian and what is wrong and sinful.
I think it would be really cool if you reacted to redeemed zoomer's Big Theology Words in Ten Minutes as well. It also explains some nuance about what Christians believe quite well.
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