1:22:19 What Salah ad-Din meant there is that strategically and as a physical location Jerusalem was really worth nothing, but spiritually and as a holy place for both Christians and Muslims, it is worth everything.
Or maybe he meant that it was worth nothing (a barren land) but everything (it has been the most important geopolitical location for probably 4000 years).
@@EdgarTheOgre 4000 years?? Come on, no it wasn't. It wasn't even the center of the Hebrew state in the time of Solomon, after it broke apart the capital was in other places, Shiloh, Samaria. Jerusalem was the capital of Judah but Judah was the smaller and weaker state. Geopolitically the city was never important, not in antiquity and not after... its importance was religious, because of the importance Christianity put on it.
@@N4TE_94 A religion can and does have multiple holy places... besides Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem are considered top holy places by Muslims. Najaf and Karbala are also very important for Shias.
In later years Salah ad-Din was greatly admired in Europe, too. There are thirteenth-century and fourteenth-century poems from France and Italy showing his generosity and other qualities.
This is 💯 true. I gained a whole lot more respect for him as I learned of his secret alliance with some of the Templar Knights in providing a safe space for the deepest secrets to later take shape in Europe.
There also is the 18th century German dramatic poem "Nathan the Wise" by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing that puts a Jew in the titular role in a plea for religious tolerance between the three Abrahamic religions that is also set in 12th century Jerusalem and praises Saladin.
Im excited about you watching this movie. I am a Catholic religiously, i enjoy your content as Muslims and your perspective. This movie is supposed to have one of the best acting performance for someone portraying Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub. The care and patience found within the acting of this person was astounding. The respect he showed his enemies was noble and gratious.
But Jerusalem which was named by which religion ????? Jerusalem has been under attack for 1600+ years now because the majority of Muslims want all holy places for themselves. I hope all wars stop throughout the world but I’m usually disappointed so I expect everything to continue as usual 😢
@@meanlean3095 so you came to these nice young mens channel to argue religion with me? Snakes speak in many languages, i do not understand their uses...
This film is not historically accurate, but it is historically illustrative, and really captures the gist of the events during the crusades, including the perspectives of the Christian and Muslim factions. This version of the film is an excellent movie and I’m glad you reacted to it.
@@SiloGrain Do not conflate all Jews around the world with Israeli zionism. After all, that is what the Zionist state wants you to think in order to justify their endless campaign of hate and death.
Some historical notes: 1) Guy de Lusignan was indeed an idiot, but the circumstances of his marriage to the King's sister differs. In reality, Sibylla wanted to marry him, despite him being only the younger son of a lesser lord in France. Guy was reputedly a strikingly handsome man, and was known as a very brave knight. Indeed, in his youth he very nearly killed William Marshal, who is considered the greatest knight to have ever lived, and was a close advisor and councillor to five Kings of England, and Regent for a couple years during the minority of Henry III. Anyway, Sibylla and her mother pestered Baldwin until he yielded and allowed the marriage. He regretted it as did the whole Kingdom. Guy leading the army to disaster at the Horns of Hattin in 1187 did happen. However, after the fall of Jerusalem, he was still considered king by some, and he led a faction during the following 3rd Crusade, with Richard I's support. However, eventually a new king was chosen and Guy was compensated by Richard with Cyprus. Guy ruled as King of Cyprus, founding a dynasty that lasted for a three hundred years, until his death in 1194. 2) Raynald de Chatillion was an even worse brigand than depicted in the film. He entered the Middle East during the 2nd Crusade as a mercenary and through cunning and courage, married his way into becoming the Prince of Antioch, a sovereign ruler. But he was a brutal man despised by most. He was captured by the Emir of Aleppo and sat in a dungeon for 15 years because no one wanted to pay his ransom. However, he was eventually released and deprived of Antioch, he was given the important lordship of Oultrejourdain where, as in the film, he behaved like a robber baron, often in the company of Guy. He even once developed a scheme to build a fleet on the Red Sea and sail to Mecca to steal Mohammed's body for ransom. As in the film, his barbarity incited (though he did not kill Saladin's sister) Saladin's wrath who laid siege to Raynold's seat at Kerak Castle and pillaged his domains for a month. It was Raynald who suggested to Guy that he attack Saladin, and thus they were routed at Hattin. As in the film, Saladin' struck off Raynald's head with his sword after the brigand attempted to win Saladin's hospitality by taking Guy's drinking cup. Saladin said: "A king does not kill a king, but that man's perfidy and insolence went too far." 3) Saladin offering Guy his cup is a custom of the rules of hospitality. By offering Guy his cup, he was declaring that Guy could not be harmed and was under his protection. He pointedly did not offer Raynald his cup, and refused to acknowledge Raynald's use of the cup, thus making it clear Raynald had no protection. 4) Tiberias is a character based on Count Raymond III of Tripoli (County of Tripoli in current Lebanon, not Libya). Historically he was a bit less of an honorable person, but he did feud with Raynald and Guy. Unlike the film, he fought at Hattin and some historians believe he was as much to blame for the disaster as Guy. The Muslims thought highly of him: "Nobody more influential than him, none braver and none more excellent in counsel."
Raynald was a TERRIBLE man indeed. But I feel like they did Guy de Lusignan dirty in this movie. He was far from a man of virtue and often did not honor his word after peace treaty's.. But he wasn't this zealous crazy murderer as depicted in the movie. He survived the events in the movie and raised another army and became part of the 3rd crusade after Richard landed with his relief force.
Raynald de Chatillon also invaded and horribly plundered the rich Byzantine island of Cyprus in 1156, along with the Armenian lord Thoros II of Cilicia! In 1158 the Byzantine Emperor Manuel Komnenos led a punitive campaign against him and Thoros with a massive army! The Armenians fled to the mountains and Reynald was left alone and hopelessly outnumbered! He was spared by the Emperor but was humiliated in the presence of Frankish and Muslim dignitaries by being made to prostrate barefooted in front of the Emperor and beg for his life ( the somewhat similar scene in the movie alludes to that historical incident).
@@slickwilly7341 Not only that but he also tortured the Latin Patriarch of Antioch (an important cleric of the Catholic Church in the Holy Land) over money that he wasn't even owed, he literally just wanted to rob the poor guy to finance his invasion of Cyprus.
As such as i know, Balian never wanted to marry Sibilla, but his brother Baldwin wanted to. And he never was a illegit son of his father Barisian of Ibelin, whose name was different in the movie.
That king at the end looking for Balian of Ibelin is Richard the Lionheart, the Pope called for a third crusade to take back Jerusalem. Richard took some cities in the coast, but could not take Jerusalem, the third crusade ended with a treaty that christians could again travel to and worship in Jerusalem. Also the king Baldwin IV of Jerusalem had a severe skin disease called leprosy, which in ancient times was very mortal. Nice reaction guys! Thanks for watching this masterpiece.
That's true and Richard Lionheart was one of the best earlier Kings of England and it said he couldn't have lived longer.. although his army and Saladin"s fought, the two of them had much respect for one another.. after Richard died from his illness, Saladin set his people to meet up with those with King Richard to pay condolences... It was so sweet and really respectful of the time because most kids didn't do that.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 Yes, they respected each other, Richard and Saladin's brother Al-Adil became friends in their meetings to discuss prisioner exchanges and truces. Richard even knighted Al-Adil's son in the christian manner. Also when Richard arrived in the Holy land, he fell sick. When Saladin heard about Richard's sickness he sent him fruits and healers to help him get well again.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 1. Richard didn't die. He went back to England (though he was captured in Germany/Austria and then ransomed for a massive amount of gold) 2. Richard wasn't a fanatic and believed in strategy...he wanted to attack Egypt, because Egypt was critical for Salah ad-Din, but the rest of the crusaders were fanatical lunatics who didn't want to listen to reason and logic and strategy and just wanted to attack Jerusalem head-on. Plus, the King of France, Phillip, had gone back home (France and England were eternally at war), which left Richard's kingdom vulnerable to France. France and England had made a momentary peace, and both kings made a pact to crusade together, but the French king broke the pact soon after arriving in the Holy Land and went back home. So Richard decided, screw these lunatics and went back to England as well.
@@tylerdurden3722 I knew the French and English were always fighting, but I was thinking that Richard Lionheart died before getting back to England. I didn’t realize he had gotten back to the homeland, and I know he was returning home because of King Philip. Richard did not bring his brother John could deal with King Philip of France so he was heading back home to England. I’m aware that he was held ransom, but I still kept thinking he died on the way back before he reached England.
Saladin's brother and King Richard the Lionheart of England became great friends during the 3rd Crusade, despite being enemies. Upon one occasion it is said that Saladin, observing a battle from afar, noted the great skill of one of the warriors and inquired as to his identity. He was informed that it was Richard of England. When Richard was unhorsed during the fighting, Saladin recalled his troops and sent Richard one of his own horses as, "No man who fights so magnificently should fight from foot." A brutal and heroic age, to be sure.
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Baldwin IV was a true bad-ass. He did indeed win a celebrated victory over Saladin when he was 16 called the Battle of Montgisard. Baldwin, accompanied by only 500 knights, charged Saladin's army of 20,000, catching them off-guard and utterly routed them. Saladin barely escaped with his life and only 5% of his army made it back to Egypt. It was such a crushing victory that peace followed and was maintained.
Baldwin and Sallahudin were great leaders whose moral code were respected across both camps. The peace they ensured in Jeruzalem, not repeating the slaughter that happened prior to that, was a key factor for their support. Both were mainly driven by peace which also resulted in a better relationship afterwards from the Muslims lifting the ban on Jewish pilgrims to the pact of co-existence between the Church and the Muslim government after both their rule. Considering who runs Jeruzalem now, you'd wish either 1 of them could be brought back to this life. Baldwin respected in the East and Sallahudin respected in the West for their leadership qualities, mercy and perseverance.
@ IscoMadrid-fd7fy You do understand that a crapload of Muslims live in Israel right? You do understand that there are elected Muslim leaders in the Israeli parliament right now? You do understand that Muslims, Christians and Jews are all free to visit their holy places in Jerusalem and the only requirement is that you can’t be a terrorist?
It is not very explicit, but in the scene with the bushes on fire, the black knight was actually God. In fact at the very end of the scene the second bush catches fire spontaneously (resembling the Biblical episode of God speaking to Mose through a bush on fire, even mentioned at the beginning of the scene) and the black knight disappears, while they are in the middle of the desert. Also you can see the black knight awakening Orlando Bloom after he fights the knights that wanted to kill him, because God wants him to go back to Gerusalem to save the people. This is to contrast the recurrent theme in the movie where Orlando Bloom says several times that God doesn't speak with him and doesn't know him, and his concluded with the last dialogue between him and Saladin's first knight when he says: "if God doesn't know you, how you were able to do all the things you have done". God (in the figure of the black knight) knew him and was actually speaking to him all the time.
This is in my top ten movies. The message it has about Godliness is profound. Some leaders are just and serve their fellow man. Others are wicked and only serve themselves. The movie also speaks to morality and Machiavellian principles. It is a kingdom of conscious or none at all.
You insert Machiavel in a story that took place 300 years before his time. That means he simply analysed humanity and his writings are the conclusion. Machiavel is no plotter. He's an observer doubled with a concluder, and he happened to master both. He gathered together comprehensive knowledge about how large populations of humans function from a POV that parallels that of chemestry. He intended to give the book as an un-demanded gift to his own ruler, whom he was already the counselor. Nowaday that book is accessible to every ruler, and each of them use it to their own purposes, and the destructive potential resides there. I salute your use of Machiavellian instead of Machiavellic. That proves you know the difference. Something that is rarer than it should.
Thank you both so much for watching this! It absolutely made my entire week. Salahuddin was legendary among the Christian nations as a truly honorable man, and was deeply respected by King Richard of England, and especially King Baldwin IV (the leper king of Jerusalem). The crusades were an incredibly violent and tragic time, and the issues which drove the various factions involved were complex. But overall, despite the war and tensions in the Holy Land even today, I truly believe that the Abrahamic faiths are closer to a lasting peace than at any other point in history. Much love from the U.S. God protect you. السلام عليكم
This was the second crusade. When Saladin took Jerusalem. 80 years prior to that 1st christian crusade took Jerusalem from muslim hands. When they took the city, all muslim inhabitants were brutally murdered. Here they put such a fierce resistance because they expected that the same will happen to them as a revenge. That's why they wanted to make Saladin to negotiate with them.
As Muslims you guys would like the movie “The 13th Warrior”. Loosely based on a Greek Byzantine manuscript of Ahmad Ibn Fadlan, emissary of Baghdad in the 900’s, to the Vikings [Rus]. He gets caught up in having to fight with the Vikings against a tribe of evil warriors. Good movie, but the armor is a little off for the period. Check it out! 👍🏻
1:03:57 No. Its an aspect of Hospitality. Saladin gave the cup to the King to show that he is a guest in his tent therefore he would be eluded from any form of harm but the King gave rhe cup to his subordinate hoping that Saladin grace and hospitality would pass onto him. As you heard Saladin said "I didn't give the cup to you" meaning " You are not my guest.....you are a prisoner of war therefore not grant any form of Hospitality." Therefore he could execute for his actions. I have been too many middle eastern countries.One thing that l am well aware is that one should never refuse an Arabic man's hospitality, to do that would be regarded as a great insult.
The king and Sybilla’s son both have leprosy, which is highly contagious, but almost everyone is immune. It destroys the peripheral nervous system over time and leads to flesh rot. It is easily treated with antibiotics today, though millions of people worldwide suffer from it in the developing world.
It has more meaning than that. It means as a leader, he recognizes the triviality of the wars. Fighting over a piece of land. The movie is very much a juxtaposition of fanaticism vs normal, rational thinking. At the same time, the world runs on social concepts - for that reason, Jerusalem also represents and is worth everything. It shows a great leader cannot be great, without also questioning the devout and faithful.
I mean, Jerusalem was a major trade node, so it absolutely does have worth outside of the religious one. What i think Salah ad-Din was saying was that the military cost of besieging and taking Jerusalem wasn't worth it militarily, but politically and religiously, it was absolutely vital.
18:10 This is called, in french "La Colée". A strike made to the new knight, generally to the face or the neck. In the beginning it was a form of showing that the new knight was tough and could take a hit. With time, it became a religious rite that became the famous move with the sword over the shoulders to make someone a knight. 27:19 In the middle-ages, women of Europe covered their hair just like muslim women do with the Hijab. Elaborated coif like the late medieval hennin, the famous conical hat we see women wear. 31:00 The time of the crusades was not the big "civilisational clash" that classical history made it out to be. Once the crusaders established their fiefdoms in the middle-east, they quickly mixed elements of their own culture with the locals'. In 1108, 70 years before the time of the movie and just 20 years after the beginning of the first crusade, there was the battle of Tell Bacher, opposing, on one side, christian Tancred prince of Galilea and muslim Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan, against Baldwin II of Jerusalem and Jawali Saqawa. So basically, crusaders and muslims mixed a lot and forged alliances between themselves to assist in their respective internal disputes. Of course, there were still radicals on either sides. 51:00 While the events of the movie are not accurate to what we know of what happened historically, it is true that Badlwin IV of Jerusalem died from leprosy and was known as the "Leper King".
The European soldiers are all called "crusaders" but the group in white with the red crosses are called "Templars". They were a Holy order of the crusades. However, they were not the only order, as there were other groups like the Teutonic Order and the Order of St. John A.K.A. Hospitallers (what the knight in the black and white was apart of). It should also be noted that while the Templars did wear the white robe with red cross, that was also a common garment for other crusader armies and groups as well (basically not all of the guys in red and white were Templars).
56:16 No she not evil. Its a mercy killing. Leprosy is a horrible disease where suffer would get a life time of suffering & pain. During that time people believed that you go to hell if you suffered from it. She was trying to spare him from a life time of suffering. You have to understand the view point from others rather then looking at your own point if view to gain wisdom.
So the scene with the cup of ice is a little different then you're thinking, it was actually a shared custom between the Arabs and the Franks that you don't kill someone once you've accepted them as your guest (and in some cases you would also be obliged to offer your guests protection). There were several ways of signaling acceptance of someone as your guest but the simplest was the offering of refreshment, whether a simple cup of water from the Lord's own hand or a table of food (In England and France there was also particular symbology given to sharing bread and salt as a symbol you were a guest in someone's house). So by giving the cup of water to Guy, Saladin was making him his guest and sparing his life. Guy tried to manipulate the gesture by giving the cup to Raymond, essentially trying to say "this man is with me and is therefore also a guest" which is why Raymond immediately drank it and said "I drink water for what it is" trying to signal his status as a guest. Saladin of course, was having none of this since Raymond had repeatedly violated his word and attacked his people and pointedly says "I did not give the cup to you" by which he means he is NOT granting guest status to Raymond and is in fact treating him as a prisoner subject to justice for his crimes, justice Saladin subsequently dispenses.
she's not evil.. she preferred to kill her son so he won't suffer the same faith as her brother did.. they're painting the stones white as range finders so the archers/catapults /trebuchets/ ballista would know their angle of release.. cool reaction guys 😊👍
in the siege of Jerusalem, the history is much darker than the depiction in the movie, first the muslim army said to kill every christian, then Balian threatened to kill every muslim in the city, then they agreed on the terms but every christian was required to pay ransom for themselves or be enslaved, many of the poorest were allowed to leave but about 10 000-20 000 people, depending on the source, were sold into slavery to pay for the war together with the ransom
There were no negotiations when the christians first took the city. Muslims and jews were massacred together, according to contemporary writers 70,000 were killed but 40,000 is a plausible number.
@@AudieHolland 70.000 is from Ibn al-Athīr. He is not a good source because he worked for the moslem King. Christian writers estimated around 10.000 killed. Also not a good source. Based on third sources the modern historian estimated that around 3000 People are killed in the aftermath. P.S. i looked into your number of 40.000. I found out that anonymous syrian sources called a number of 30.000. But they also biased. I think from their your number comes from. Many historian in the past were not careful when they interpret sources. They forgot that already in medival times the people used propganda and fake news. Its really hard to correct this informations and still teached to students in school.
Not the poorest. They released (and used as propaganda for Saladin) the weakest and oldest. Reports of local slave market shows that after the moslems won back Jerusalem, the slave prices dropped immensely. They simple released the people with the lowest value and probaly are unsellable after a big number of new slaves put in the slave markets.
This has been one of my favorite movies ever for many many years... it's very deep & the more you watch it the more you take from it, I'm not religious, but the Warrior connotation of the movie moves my soul...
Glad you guys watched the extended version, because the theatrical release left out too much and didn’t come out right. Enjoyed your reactions, and appreciated your historical knowledge and perspective. Please watch “Last of the Mohicans” or “Dances with wolves”. You’ll enjoy both I think
The reason why Salah ad-Din assaults the walls after they are breached is to seek a decisive end to the seige. Like any besieger, he has limited supplies of food and water. So do the defenders, but in this arid environment and with such a huge army, I think supplies are even more difficult for him to come by. Sieges were often contests of starvation and disease when they dragged on for weeks. So even though assaulting was very bloody especially for the attackers, sometimes it was the preferable option to sitting around for weeks while your army atrophies and starves.
'God does not know me.' From a Christian perspective, it means your relationship with God is broken, you are not praying anymore, you have lost your faith. You may have been brought up a Christian but circumstances/life have made you lose your faith. In Baliol's case, his wife died. You believe God exists, but you are angry with him/alienated from the relationship you should have. Other films which shows this are Signs (M Night Shayamalan) and Dusk Till Dawn (Tarrantino).
When the costume designer was granted access to a crusader museum in a castle in France, she discovered the actual livery (crest) that Balian of Ibelin wore in the 12th century. So what you see Balian wearing is actually what the real life man wore. Ridley Scott, what a great director. Also, the old box dvd set had special features that gave a lot of background on the actual history and the way it was filmed. This is a great movie.
This is easily one of my all time favorite movie reactions. It's so awesome to hear your perspectives on this movie. I grew up Catholic, but hundreds of years ago, my people were Muslim. I feel like this movie in a way was an expression of hope for peace. Great reaction.
The Queen wasn't evil, she killed her son out of mercy to what she saw her brother had to endure. She said she would endure hell in the afterlife to prevent her son having to endure hell on Earth.
Saracen is a European term that means not of "Sarah" Jews and Christians believe they are the descendants of Abraham and his wife Sarah through his son Isaac and Isaac's son Jacob(Yakub in Arabic) Jews and Christians believe that Arabs are the descendants of Abraham through Hagar, who was Sarahs servant and Hagars son Ishmael. Christians had several terms for Muslims in the middle ages that are no longer used beside Saracen, such as Mohhamedeans, and Hagarenes and in some Jewish writings Muslims are referee to as Ismaelites(descendants of Ishmael) they way Jews call themselves Israelite(Israel was a new name given to Jacob by a angel sent from God in the torah)
Christians believe they are spiritual descendants of Abraham, not literal. Ishmael is thought to be one of the progenitors of the Arabs but not the entire group. Abraham's other sons are also considered ancestors of the Arabs.
Her son he been allowed to live, would have developed the same disease that killed the king. One of the symptoms is a lack of the ability to feel pain hence why she got so worried when he didn't react to the hot wax falling on his hand or being poked in the foot with a needle. His flesh would basically decay and he would become deformed like the king and die an early death. She killed him with poison to prevent that suffering as an act of mercy.
No, she killed him to prevent her own suffering. That is never mercy. That's why they don't give them a choice. it's always for selfish reasons masquerading as mercy.
ethnicities, races do not exist, everyone is human, there are no subhumans or sub species in our genus there are just different ethnic groups that compose it...
The muslims took all of north africa and the entire middle east. At the point of this movie the muslims still occupy portugal and Spain through military force. After The byzantine Emperor asked the western kingdoms for help, they sent the crusaders. This is a defensive war and nothing extreme about it.
@@christos3280Okay sorry but a little history lesson 1. First off, the first two crusades were a response to the encroaching of the Seljuk turks into Europe (the Moors were not seljuk Turks and were a different sect of Muslim) Yet in both there was a direct route to control Jerusalem under Christian authority Which had nothing to do with stopping the Muslims in the west We see Richard the lion heart at the end of the movie heading off to start the third crusade which had nothing to do with Muslim invaders from Istanbul or the Balkans It was because the pope couldn't stand Jerusalem being in the hands of mulsims In fact neither the third crusade and following were about stopping the Turks but securing the holy land as Christian dominated And they all failed. Richard abandoned the crusade to pillage half of France to make up the money he lost going to the middle east Erico dandillo led the Italians and veninitions on tne fourth crusade and then used it as pretense to sack Constantinople and never once went to the holy land And the rest of them failed, and were mass slaughtered by the Turks and the Muslims permenantly.
I like how y'all always double check and clarify with each other when you didn't understand! That's such a good thing to do, makes for a nicer reaction to watch as well :)
Fun fact about the actor who plays Saladin: the director just saw this guy and heard him speak, and decided he was perfect for the role (the man was just at one of the locations by chance, he was not an actor, I think). I love it!!! Also, Sibylla was trying to spare her son pain. I don't condone it, but I can understand her motive. It's why she said she would go to hell instead.
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I am soooo happy you guys found this hidden gem. this is one of my all time favorite movies! The story telling, the character interactions, the subtle hints. The there is a theory that the priest was actually an angel among men.
The disease is leprosy. The original king only had one arm paralyzed by it, which is a less aggressive version of the disease. The nephew had multiple limbs with no feeling and would indicate the more aggressive form of the disease, which is even more horrible and is fatal much quicker.
The “long thing” are called Siege towers. They are built for easy access to the castle walls and are very powerful tool if used properly. They use many so that at least one siege tower connects and allows enough forces to open more entry points like the main gates.
They had trebuchets to launch stone, burning rubish or anything else they could (including the heads of enemies). It was a very brutal time. So I'm glad to see you reacting to this movie. Its not as historically acurate as I would like but it is a good movie that does depict some of the problems and prejudices of the time. 😊
I really enjoyed watching one of my favourite movies along with you guys. It was great. I'll be looking for more reactions from you brothers. Maybe "Fight Club" or "The Matrix"? Cheers!
Which edition of the movie did you watch? I've got the extended edition on DVD and it's like 3.5 hours but there is so much more in here. The entire plot line with her son is completely cut out. This version just adds so much more context. Which one is it?
I think Salah ad-Din killed Renard de Chatillon, because he knew he was responsible for the killing of his sister. Also: To be protected by the laws of hospitality, one has to be offered hospitality first. By offering the cup of ice to Guy de Lusignan, he offered him to live, protected by the law of hospitality. Renard was not offered the drink, but took it, disrespecting the custom. Being the murderer of Salah ad-Din's sister, he was doomed to be killed anyway. As king, Salah ad-Din could not let him live and still command the same respect of his followers.
It’s a bit more complex than that. IRL Saladin had said he would execute Reynauld if he was ever prisoner because he had repeatedly broken treaties and murdered Muslim travellers, and he had a target on his back for years before Hattin. Contemporary Islamic writers considered Reynauld THE enemy of Islam, that’s how cruel he was.
1:03:20 Islam was once the center of wisdom, far above Europe in every discipline, including mathematics, chemistry, and physics. It is a great pity that the Mongols burned Baghdad to the ground.
As-salaam 'alaikum. It's kind of interesting to see a bunch of different reactions to movies. This one got my attention right away. I remember seeing this waaaaaay back in the 2000s. Time has flown like crazy. So yeah, you guys seem cool. Subbed.
Members of the Holy Roman Catholic Church use to go on pilgrimages to the Vatican, and Jerusalem until around Vatican two. I’ve been on one to the Vatican. In Istanbul in the early 1990’s they use to allow Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians to have Mass in Hagia Sophia in one of the restored area of the Mosque/Basilica. It was a truly amazing and beautiful thing! Two of the oldest Religions able to worship in the same place, even as an eight year old I saw it!
Millions of Catholics every year still go on pilgrimages to the Vatican and Jerusalem. Those places didn't suddenly stop being holy after the second Vatican council.
Salam bro. I think you should react to Salahuddin - Arab Egyptian version with English subtitles. It’s called Al Nasser Salahuddin. It’s much better and more accurate.
36:10 - At that time, there was an established Roman Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem (founded after the First Crusade), whose ruler at the time, in which this film takes place, was Baldwin the Leper King. All these knights are from Europe, but the specific ones who strive for war in this film are the Templars. This order was the wealthiest one, and it was officially dissolved in the early 14th century (the last grand master of the Templar Order Jacques de Molay was burned in France in 1314). The Crusaders (including the Templars), participated in crusades against Muslims or to retake the Holy Land from the Muslims. They are all knights from Europe, i.e. crusaders, but they are from different orders or from none of them (just lone knights). Crusaders ≠ Templars, but Templars were part of the Crusaders. Greetings from Poland! 🤍✝❤
These types of reactions to historical films are very important, given the significant fact that people and their possible shared values with those who portray them, can be reflected on screen. But this film will always have a place in my mind and my heart because the director took the trouble to exalt the wickest passions of humankind, but also a glimpse of shared values between warriors of both faiths (Christians & Muslims), all of them from the nobility, to follow norms of shared conduct: *the Code of Chivalry.* Listening to you speak, dear Habibi brothers, I conclude that we as Christians are as unknown to you, Muslims, are you are to us. Finally it is always nice to find common ground with people from different faith. Big hugs and respect from Central American lands! P.D. This is my first time seeing the extended cut of this film. Thank you for sharing it! Salamaleicum! 🙏
2:18 of the DC bluray. Balian and Tiberius inspect the battlefield, Tiberius warns Balian that he has 4 or 5 days at most and leaves for Cyprus. Balian looks at the pile of heads and it zooms in to show the head of the Hospitaler.
He killed Reynaud because Reynaud killed his sister. Offering water was an extension of protection in a way - he was promising Guy he was not going to summarily execute him. By stating that he did not give the water to Reynaud, he was making clear that this did not extend to him, since Saladin had not given him the cup directly.
The story about the sister is a complete fabrication, though. Saladdin did kill Reynald as an act of revenge, but it was because he had attacked a caravan during a truce.
Hey guys. This is Marco from the United States. Thank you for the reaction. This is a good movie. The disease that the king had was leprosy. It is not really contagious except for young children, which is why the nephew contracted it. Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to your channel.
The "You can check out but you'll never leave", you'll never be able to forget it and your either hooked or it's a nightmare you'll always have, perhaps
40:18 He says, "You reap what you sow. You have heard of this?" This is a reference to the Christian concept of "You reap what you sow" from Galatians 6:7 and Proverbs 22:8. The Muslim translator is saying, "You deserve mercy because you showed me mercy. You reap (mercy) what you sow (mercy)."
Love you guys reaction this movie. A lot of it gets lost on people, I like when either of you did, you went back to understand. You guys actually pay attention, even to the little subtle things. That reaction to ice was priceless. Be interesting to see you guys watch the movie Agora.
You gentlemen should react to "The 13th Warrior," which has a Muslim scholar (Antonios Banderas) travel with the Norsemen in the Middle Ages. It's a very loose adaptation the Germanic tale of Beowulf combined with Muslim scholar Ahmad ibn Fadlan's historical account of the Volga Vikings. Ibn Fadlan's writings are actually one of the best sources we have for how the Rus Vikings lived. I think you might like it, plus it would be interesting to hear everything they have wrong about Arabs and Islam.
As a Christian I respect Saladin a lot man stuck to his word and to word of god I think he and Baldwin had great respect for eachother which is why the 2 kingdoms lived in peace for the most part next to eachother
A Crusader is anyone who takes up the cross - goes on crusade to remit their sins. The original Crusaders of the 1st Crusade -approx. 100 years before, had now founded kingdoms in Outremer and were essentially a confederation of local Lords under the King of Jerusalem. When you are surrounded by enemies it makes sense to make peace with them, trade, adopt their customs etc. 'New' Crusaders coming in full of ignorance and zeal, along with a few fanatics, could easily upset this balance, which is what is happening here.
A beautiful film. It plays loose with history, but the spirit of it is still there. I love its portrayal of Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub and King Baldwin IV, both were reasonable men in unreasonable times, trying to deal with the radicals in on their own sides while maintaining justice. At the end of the day, Jerusalem is just a city. It served its purpose when God needed it to, but now it is no longer required for anything. Anyone anywhere can find God now. And it isn’t God that has confused His purpose, men have. When we are before God, all confusions will be clear, and the truth will be made apparent for everyone. I have no doubt that anyone who came to believe in God and his Word, whether it be Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc will be saved once God makes everything clear to us at the end.
Because King Baldwin had Leprosy and at the time it was though it was transferred through physical contact it could be thought that when he asked for the the "Kiss of Peace" it could have been considered a death sentence. Loved the reaction keep it up and peace be upon you.
Saladin actually killed all the Templar and Hospitaller Knights, took many slaves, and ransomed the rest of the Christians. For medieval warfare, it was still very merciful, but not quite what was shown here.
I'm tired of how much Americans sell ourselves short in terms of knowledge, did these guys not have just as many issues identifying things or reasons for events happening in this as well? I enjoyed the reaction too though.
I am not a religious person, but I find the history of the Abrahamic religions to be extremely central to the history of the world as we know it, and the stories told are truly the stuff of legend. Your commentary and insight is always well-informative and concise. Keep up the good work :D
Despite what hateful people will say, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are extremely similar with very minor differences...they are basically the same religion hence being called the Abrahamic religions as they all believe they are descended from Abraham...The best way to describe it to a Muslim is suni and shia but the split between these beliefs happening very very very long ago.
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The reason why Balian could return to his home, without getting prosecuted is that he went on a crusade.
His crimes were forgiven.
good point !
fictional character
@@phillyphil4824 fictional character, but realistic reasoning
@@phillyphil4824 Balian was a real person actually
1:22:19 What Salah ad-Din meant there is that strategically and as a physical location Jerusalem was really worth nothing, but spiritually and as a holy place for both Christians and Muslims, it is worth everything.
We need to search for the Jerusalem within our own minds...
Or maybe he meant that it was worth nothing (a barren land) but everything (it has been the most important geopolitical location for probably 4000 years).
@@EdgarTheOgre 4000 years?? Come on, no it wasn't. It wasn't even the center of the Hebrew state in the time of Solomon, after it broke apart the capital was in other places, Shiloh, Samaria. Jerusalem was the capital of Judah but Judah was the smaller and weaker state. Geopolitically the city was never important, not in antiquity and not after... its importance was religious, because of the importance Christianity put on it.
The holy place for Muslims is Mecca, that's why they turn to it when they pray. Jerusalem is a holy place only for Christians and Jews.
@@N4TE_94 A religion can and does have multiple holy places... besides Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem are considered top holy places by Muslims. Najaf and Karbala are also very important for Shias.
In later years Salah ad-Din was greatly admired in Europe, too. There are thirteenth-century and fourteenth-century poems from France and Italy showing his generosity and other qualities.
In fact, Salah ad-Din was held as the perfect example of a noble knight.
This is 💯 true. I gained a whole lot more respect for him as I learned of his secret alliance with some of the Templar Knights in providing a safe space for the deepest secrets to later take shape in Europe.
There also is the 18th century German dramatic poem "Nathan the Wise" by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing that puts a Jew in the titular role in a plea for religious tolerance between the three Abrahamic religions that is also set in 12th century Jerusalem and praises Saladin.
There was a British military vehicle named after him as well.
what generosity? didnt he enslave several women and children ? this generosity sounds like hollywood stuff made up to white or present a happy ending.
Im excited about you watching this movie. I am a Catholic religiously, i enjoy your content as Muslims and your perspective. This movie is supposed to have one of the best acting performance for someone portraying Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub. The care and patience found within the acting of this person was astounding. The respect he showed his enemies was noble and gratious.
I'm Catholic, too. But I do believe that Muslims and Jews are our brothers and sisters in God. ❤
We all stem from Abraham and His Love ❤️
@@jimmygriner3867 Very true. May God bless us all.
But Jerusalem which was named by which religion ?????
Jerusalem has been under attack for 1600+ years now because the majority of Muslims want all holy places for themselves.
I hope all wars stop throughout the world but I’m usually disappointed so I expect everything to continue as usual 😢
@@meanlean3095 so you came to these nice young mens channel to argue religion with me? Snakes speak in many languages, i do not understand their uses...
This film is not historically accurate, but it is historically illustrative, and really captures the gist of the events during the crusades, including the perspectives of the Christian and Muslim factions. This version of the film is an excellent movie and I’m glad you reacted to it.
it is an excellent movie, one of my all time favorites, but a terrible crime against history xd
Agreed they pretended they gave irrigation tech to Muslims who already knew it
Its super racist
This version? Are there multiple versions?
@@maxmichalik4938 Yes:
The theatrical cut (144 minutes)
Director's cut (189 minutes)
Director's cut Roadshow version (194 minutes)
Exactly. This movie is not trying to portray historical fact, it's trying to show a historical context
I love you guys! I am jewish my father is from Algeria, may we have peaceful days together, one love.
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Muslim from algeria .. hope we all find peace
A Jew... 🤨
@@SiloGrain Do not conflate all Jews around the world with Israeli zionism. After all, that is what the Zionist state wants you to think in order to justify their endless campaign of hate and death.
A+++ for watching the extended edition. I'm so glad you enjoyed one of my top historic epic movies of all time.
Some historical notes:
1) Guy de Lusignan was indeed an idiot, but the circumstances of his marriage to the King's sister differs. In reality, Sibylla wanted to marry him, despite him being only the younger son of a lesser lord in France. Guy was reputedly a strikingly handsome man, and was known as a very brave knight. Indeed, in his youth he very nearly killed William Marshal, who is considered the greatest knight to have ever lived, and was a close advisor and councillor to five Kings of England, and Regent for a couple years during the minority of Henry III. Anyway, Sibylla and her mother pestered Baldwin until he yielded and allowed the marriage. He regretted it as did the whole Kingdom. Guy leading the army to disaster at the Horns of Hattin in 1187 did happen. However, after the fall of Jerusalem, he was still considered king by some, and he led a faction during the following 3rd Crusade, with Richard I's support. However, eventually a new king was chosen and Guy was compensated by Richard with Cyprus. Guy ruled as King of Cyprus, founding a dynasty that lasted for a three hundred years, until his death in 1194.
2) Raynald de Chatillion was an even worse brigand than depicted in the film. He entered the Middle East during the 2nd Crusade as a mercenary and through cunning and courage, married his way into becoming the Prince of Antioch, a sovereign ruler. But he was a brutal man despised by most. He was captured by the Emir of Aleppo and sat in a dungeon for 15 years because no one wanted to pay his ransom. However, he was eventually released and deprived of Antioch, he was given the important lordship of Oultrejourdain where, as in the film, he behaved like a robber baron, often in the company of Guy. He even once developed a scheme to build a fleet on the Red Sea and sail to Mecca to steal Mohammed's body for ransom. As in the film, his barbarity incited (though he did not kill Saladin's sister) Saladin's wrath who laid siege to Raynold's seat at Kerak Castle and pillaged his domains for a month. It was Raynald who suggested to Guy that he attack Saladin, and thus they were routed at Hattin. As in the film, Saladin' struck off Raynald's head with his sword after the brigand attempted to win Saladin's hospitality by taking Guy's drinking cup. Saladin said: "A king does not kill a king, but that man's perfidy and insolence went too far."
3) Saladin offering Guy his cup is a custom of the rules of hospitality. By offering Guy his cup, he was declaring that Guy could not be harmed and was under his protection. He pointedly did not offer Raynald his cup, and refused to acknowledge Raynald's use of the cup, thus making it clear Raynald had no protection.
4) Tiberias is a character based on Count Raymond III of Tripoli (County of Tripoli in current Lebanon, not Libya). Historically he was a bit less of an honorable person, but he did feud with Raynald and Guy. Unlike the film, he fought at Hattin and some historians believe he was as much to blame for the disaster as Guy. The Muslims thought highly of him: "Nobody more influential than him, none braver and none more excellent in counsel."
Raynald was a TERRIBLE man indeed. But I feel like they did Guy de Lusignan dirty in this movie. He was far from a man of virtue and often did not honor his word after peace treaty's.. But he wasn't this zealous crazy murderer as depicted in the movie. He survived the events in the movie and raised another army and became part of the 3rd crusade after Richard landed with his relief force.
Raynald de Chatillon also invaded and horribly plundered the rich Byzantine island of Cyprus in 1156, along with the Armenian lord Thoros II of Cilicia! In 1158 the Byzantine Emperor Manuel Komnenos led a punitive campaign against him and Thoros with a massive army! The Armenians fled to the mountains and Reynald was left alone and hopelessly outnumbered! He was spared by the Emperor but was humiliated in the presence of Frankish and Muslim dignitaries by being made to prostrate barefooted in front of the Emperor and beg for his life ( the somewhat similar scene in the movie alludes to that historical incident).
@@slickwilly7341 Not only that but he also tortured the Latin Patriarch of Antioch (an important cleric of the Catholic Church in the Holy Land) over money that he wasn't even owed, he literally just wanted to rob the poor guy to finance his invasion of Cyprus.
As such as i know, Balian never wanted to marry Sibilla, but his brother Baldwin wanted to. And he never was a illegit son of his father Barisian of Ibelin, whose name was different in the movie.
That king at the end looking for Balian of Ibelin is Richard the Lionheart, the Pope called for a third crusade to take back Jerusalem. Richard took some cities in the coast, but could not take Jerusalem, the third crusade ended with a treaty that christians could again travel to and worship in Jerusalem. Also the king Baldwin IV of Jerusalem had a severe skin disease called leprosy, which in ancient times was very mortal.
Nice reaction guys! Thanks for watching this masterpiece.
also the red and white crusaders are templar knights
That's true and Richard Lionheart was one of the best earlier Kings of England and it said he couldn't have lived longer.. although his army and Saladin"s fought, the two of them had much respect for one another.. after Richard died from his illness, Saladin set his people to meet up with those with King Richard to pay condolences... It was so sweet and really respectful of the time because most kids didn't do that.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023 Yes, they respected each other, Richard and Saladin's brother Al-Adil became friends in their meetings to discuss prisioner exchanges and truces. Richard even knighted Al-Adil's son in the christian manner. Also when Richard arrived in the Holy land, he fell sick. When Saladin heard about Richard's sickness he sent him fruits and healers to help him get well again.
@@montrelouisebohon-harris7023
1. Richard didn't die. He went back to England (though he was captured in Germany/Austria and then ransomed for a massive amount of gold)
2. Richard wasn't a fanatic and believed in strategy...he wanted to attack Egypt, because Egypt was critical for Salah ad-Din, but the rest of the crusaders were fanatical lunatics who didn't want to listen to reason and logic and strategy and just wanted to attack Jerusalem head-on.
Plus, the King of France, Phillip, had gone back home (France and England were eternally at war), which left Richard's kingdom vulnerable to France. France and England had made a momentary peace, and both kings made a pact to crusade together, but the French king broke the pact soon after arriving in the Holy Land and went back home.
So Richard decided, screw these lunatics and went back to England as well.
@@tylerdurden3722 I knew the French and English were always fighting, but I was thinking that Richard Lionheart died before getting back to England. I didn’t realize he had gotten back to the homeland, and I know he was returning home because of King Philip. Richard did not bring his brother John could deal with King Philip of France so he was heading back home to England. I’m aware that he was held ransom, but I still kept thinking he died on the way back before he reached England.
Saladin's brother and King Richard the Lionheart of England became great friends during the 3rd Crusade, despite being enemies.
Upon one occasion it is said that Saladin, observing a battle from afar, noted the great skill of one of the warriors and inquired as to his identity. He was informed that it was Richard of England. When Richard was unhorsed during the fighting, Saladin recalled his troops and sent Richard one of his own horses as, "No man who fights so magnificently should fight from foot."
A brutal and heroic age, to be sure.
1:22:22 When he said "Nothing" its a sence of the word the " Jerusalem " but spiritually it means "Everything"
Sybilla killed her son as an act of mercy. Her son had leprosy and would have died an incredibly agonizing, prolonged death otherwise.
She HAD just seen her beautiful brother suffer and die. And had witnessed thru the appearance of his face just how much he'd had to endure.
@@cindyknudson2715very true I bet that disease still is rampant in areas
Modern antibiotics have made it virtually extinct in areas where they are avaliable, however, in some parts of the world, it is still an issue today@basedsketch4133
Baldwin IV was a true bad-ass. He did indeed win a celebrated victory over Saladin when he was 16 called the Battle of Montgisard. Baldwin, accompanied by only 500 knights, charged Saladin's army of 20,000, catching them off-guard and utterly routed them. Saladin barely escaped with his life and only 5% of his army made it back to Egypt. It was such a crushing victory that peace followed and was maintained.
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true french
Baldwin and Sallahudin were great leaders whose moral code were respected across both camps. The peace they ensured in Jeruzalem, not repeating the slaughter that happened prior to that, was a key factor for their support. Both were mainly driven by peace which also resulted in a better relationship afterwards from the Muslims lifting the ban on Jewish pilgrims to the pact of co-existence between the Church and the Muslim government after both their rule. Considering who runs Jeruzalem now, you'd wish either 1 of them could be brought back to this life. Baldwin respected in the East and Sallahudin respected in the West for their leadership qualities, mercy and perseverance.
@ IscoMadrid-fd7fy
You do understand that a crapload of Muslims live in Israel right?
You do understand that there are elected Muslim leaders in the Israeli parliament right now?
You do understand that Muslims, Christians and Jews are all free to visit their holy places in Jerusalem and the only requirement is that you can’t be a terrorist?
It is not very explicit, but in the scene with the bushes on fire, the black knight was actually God. In fact at the very end of the scene the second bush catches fire spontaneously (resembling the Biblical episode of God speaking to Mose through a bush on fire, even mentioned at the beginning of the scene) and the black knight disappears, while they are in the middle of the desert. Also you can see the black knight awakening Orlando Bloom after he fights the knights that wanted to kill him, because God wants him to go back to Gerusalem to save the people. This is to contrast the recurrent theme in the movie where Orlando Bloom says several times that God doesn't speak with him and doesn't know him, and his concluded with the last dialogue between him and Saladin's first knight when he says: "if God doesn't know you, how you were able to do all the things you have done". God (in the figure of the black knight) knew him and was actually speaking to him all the time.
This is in my top ten movies. The message it has about Godliness is profound. Some leaders are just and serve their fellow man. Others are wicked and only serve themselves. The movie also speaks to morality and Machiavellian principles. It is a kingdom of conscious or none at all.
Conscience!
You insert Machiavel in a story that took place 300 years before his time. That means he simply analysed humanity and his writings are the conclusion. Machiavel is no plotter. He's an observer doubled with a concluder, and he happened to master both. He gathered together comprehensive knowledge about how large populations of humans function from a POV that parallels that of chemestry. He intended to give the book as an un-demanded gift to his own ruler, whom he was already the counselor. Nowaday that book is accessible to every ruler, and each of them use it to their own purposes, and the destructive potential resides there. I salute your use of Machiavellian instead of Machiavellic. That proves you know the difference. Something that is rarer than it should.
They made an atheist the only moral man in the story. It's not actually a message about being godly, it's the exact opposite.
@@Pink.andahalf Christians are warlike. Only clergy are pacifist.
@@Pink.andahalf Both kings from different religions were wise and actaully very moral, having in count the societies of those times
Thank you both so much for watching this! It absolutely made my entire week. Salahuddin was legendary among the Christian nations as a truly honorable man, and was deeply respected by King Richard of England, and especially King Baldwin IV (the leper king of Jerusalem). The crusades were an incredibly violent and tragic time, and the issues which drove the various factions involved were complex. But overall, despite the war and tensions in the Holy Land even today, I truly believe that the Abrahamic faiths are closer to a lasting peace than at any other point in history. Much love from the U.S. God protect you. السلام عليكم
وعليكم السلام ♥
"Take me to Jerusalem."
"Is this Iraq?"
*Geography has left the chat*
I laughed harder at this then I should have. 😅😂
"Nearly a thousand years later,peace of " Kingdom of Heaven" remain elusive." ...Oh, how true this is
Love that you guys admit when you're not following the story and went back to understand
This was the second crusade. When Saladin took Jerusalem. 80 years prior to that 1st christian crusade took Jerusalem from muslim hands. When they took the city, all muslim inhabitants were brutally murdered. Here they put such a fierce resistance because they expected that the same will happen to them as a revenge. That's why they wanted to make Saladin to negotiate with them.
88 years to be exact*
27:18 European Christian women also covered their hair back then
As Muslims you guys would like the movie “The 13th Warrior”. Loosely based on a Greek Byzantine manuscript of Ahmad Ibn Fadlan, emissary of Baghdad in the 900’s, to the Vikings [Rus]. He gets caught up in having to fight with the Vikings against a tribe of evil warriors. Good movie, but the armor is a little off for the period. Check it out! 👍🏻
Great movie, with a similar message about religious coexistence. Always wondered if Islam ever had a mead loophole like in the movie.
Its also a quasi-version of Beowulf to some degree, one can see many parallels to that story
Great underrated film. Would be cool to watch these two react to it.
Ughh - one of the worst movies ever made. Flaming poo on a stick.
This movie used the same music that was originally in the 13th Warrior which I found to be Insulting for some reason 😂 get your own music!
1:03:57 No. Its an aspect of Hospitality. Saladin gave the cup to the King to show that he is a guest in his tent therefore he would be eluded from any form of harm but the King gave rhe cup to his subordinate hoping that Saladin grace and hospitality would pass onto him.
As you heard Saladin said "I didn't give the cup to you" meaning " You are not my guest.....you are a prisoner of war therefore not grant any form of Hospitality." Therefore he could execute for his actions.
I have been too many middle eastern countries.One thing that l am well aware is that one should never refuse an Arabic man's hospitality, to do that would be regarded as a great insult.
The king and Sybilla’s son both have leprosy, which is highly contagious, but almost everyone is immune. It destroys the peripheral nervous system over time and leads to flesh rot. It is easily treated with antibiotics today, though millions of people worldwide suffer from it in the developing world.
like his uncle
I interpreted when Balian asks "what is Jerusalem worth", and Salah ad-Din replies "Nothing....Everything" as to mean Jerusalem was Priceless.
it’s has no great monetary or strategic worth, but it’s spiritual worth is priceless
It means nothing as a physical location on the map, it means everything as a holy city.
It has more meaning than that. It means as a leader, he recognizes the triviality of the wars. Fighting over a piece of land. The movie is very much a juxtaposition of fanaticism vs normal, rational thinking. At the same time, the world runs on social concepts - for that reason, Jerusalem also represents and is worth everything. It shows a great leader cannot be great, without also questioning the devout and faithful.
I mean, Jerusalem was a major trade node, so it absolutely does have worth outside of the religious one. What i think Salah ad-Din was saying was that the military cost of besieging and taking Jerusalem wasn't worth it militarily, but politically and religiously, it was absolutely vital.
18:10 This is called, in french "La Colée". A strike made to the new knight, generally to the face or the neck. In the beginning it was a form of showing that the new knight was tough and could take a hit. With time, it became a religious rite that became the famous move with the sword over the shoulders to make someone a knight.
27:19 In the middle-ages, women of Europe covered their hair just like muslim women do with the Hijab. Elaborated coif like the late medieval hennin, the famous conical hat we see women wear.
31:00 The time of the crusades was not the big "civilisational clash" that classical history made it out to be. Once the crusaders established their fiefdoms in the middle-east, they quickly mixed elements of their own culture with the locals'. In 1108, 70 years before the time of the movie and just 20 years after the beginning of the first crusade, there was the battle of Tell Bacher, opposing, on one side, christian Tancred prince of Galilea and muslim Fakhr al-Mulk Ridwan, against Baldwin II of Jerusalem and Jawali Saqawa. So basically, crusaders and muslims mixed a lot and forged alliances between themselves to assist in their respective internal disputes. Of course, there were still radicals on either sides.
51:00 While the events of the movie are not accurate to what we know of what happened historically, it is true that Badlwin IV of Jerusalem died from leprosy and was known as the "Leper King".
The European soldiers are all called "crusaders" but the group in white with the red crosses are called "Templars". They were a Holy order of the crusades. However, they were not the only order, as there were other groups like the Teutonic Order and the Order of St. John A.K.A. Hospitallers (what the knight in the black and white was apart of). It should also be noted that while the Templars did wear the white robe with red cross, that was also a common garment for other crusader armies and groups as well (basically not all of the guys in red and white were Templars).
I've always wanted to see a Muslim perspective on this fantastic film!
56:16 No she not evil. Its a mercy killing. Leprosy is a horrible disease where suffer would get a life time of suffering & pain. During that time people believed that you go to hell if you suffered from it. She was trying to spare him from a life time of suffering.
You have to understand the view point from others rather then looking at your own point if view to gain wisdom.
So the scene with the cup of ice is a little different then you're thinking, it was actually a shared custom between the Arabs and the Franks that you don't kill someone once you've accepted them as your guest (and in some cases you would also be obliged to offer your guests protection).
There were several ways of signaling acceptance of someone as your guest but the simplest was the offering of refreshment, whether a simple cup of water from the Lord's own hand or a table of food (In England and France there was also particular symbology given to sharing bread and salt as a symbol you were a guest in someone's house).
So by giving the cup of water to Guy, Saladin was making him his guest and sparing his life. Guy tried to manipulate the gesture by giving the cup to Raymond, essentially trying to say "this man is with me and is therefore also a guest" which is why Raymond immediately drank it and said "I drink water for what it is" trying to signal his status as a guest.
Saladin of course, was having none of this since Raymond had repeatedly violated his word and attacked his people and pointedly says "I did not give the cup to you" by which he means he is NOT granting guest status to Raymond and is in fact treating him as a prisoner subject to justice for his crimes, justice Saladin subsequently dispenses.
she's not evil.. she preferred to kill her son so he won't suffer the same faith as her brother did.. they're painting the stones white as range finders so the archers/catapults /trebuchets/ ballista would know their angle of release.. cool reaction guys 😊👍
in the siege of Jerusalem, the history is much darker than the depiction in the movie, first the muslim army said to kill every christian, then Balian threatened to kill every muslim in the city, then they agreed on the terms but every christian was required to pay ransom for themselves or be enslaved, many of the poorest were allowed to leave but about 10 000-20 000 people, depending on the source, were sold into slavery to pay for the war together with the ransom
There were no negotiations when the christians first took the city.
Muslims and jews were massacred together, according to contemporary writers 70,000 were killed but 40,000 is a plausible number.
@@AudieHolland I am not disputing the massacre that happened before, just that the siege resolution is romanticized in the movie
@@AudieHolland 70.000 is from Ibn al-Athīr. He is not a good source because he worked for the moslem King. Christian writers estimated around 10.000 killed. Also not a good source. Based on third sources the modern historian estimated that around 3000 People are killed in the aftermath.
P.S. i looked into your number of 40.000. I found out that anonymous syrian sources called a number of 30.000. But they also biased. I think from their your number comes from.
Many historian in the past were not careful when they interpret sources. They forgot that already in medival times the people used propganda and fake news. Its really hard to correct this informations and still teached to students in school.
Not the poorest. They released (and used as propaganda for Saladin) the weakest and oldest. Reports of local slave market shows that after the moslems won back Jerusalem, the slave prices dropped immensely. They simple released the people with the lowest value and probaly are unsellable after a big number of new slaves put in the slave markets.
A thousand years after the man lived, people are still trying to bring down his good name.
This has been one of my favorite movies ever for many many years... it's very deep & the more you watch it the more you take from it,
I'm not religious, but the Warrior connotation of the movie moves my soul...
2:31 Your excitement when hearing Salah ad-Din's name is exactly what I clicked on this video for 😂😂
Glad you guys watched the extended version, because the theatrical release left out too much and didn’t come out right.
Enjoyed your reactions, and appreciated your historical knowledge and perspective. Please watch “Last of the Mohicans” or “Dances with wolves”. You’ll enjoy both I think
The reason why Salah ad-Din assaults the walls after they are breached is to seek a decisive end to the seige. Like any besieger, he has limited supplies of food and water. So do the defenders, but in this arid environment and with such a huge army, I think supplies are even more difficult for him to come by. Sieges were often contests of starvation and disease when they dragged on for weeks. So even though assaulting was very bloody especially for the attackers, sometimes it was the preferable option to sitting around for weeks while your army atrophies and starves.
'God does not know me.' From a Christian perspective, it means your relationship with God is broken, you are not praying anymore, you have lost your faith. You may have been brought up a Christian but circumstances/life have made you lose your faith. In Baliol's case, his wife died. You believe God exists, but you are angry with him/alienated from the relationship you should have. Other films which shows this are Signs (M Night Shayamalan) and Dusk Till Dawn (Tarrantino).
It might be read other way around - you believe God left you because of your sins, that you're unworthy of his care and attention.
so interesting to see a Muslim perspective of this movie
When the costume designer was granted access to a crusader museum in a castle in France, she discovered the actual livery (crest) that Balian of Ibelin wore in the 12th century. So what you see Balian wearing is actually what the real life man wore. Ridley Scott, what a great director.
Also, the old box dvd set had special features that gave a lot of background on the actual history and the way it was filmed.
This is a great movie.
This is easily one of my all time favorite movie reactions. It's so awesome to hear your perspectives on this movie. I grew up Catholic, but hundreds of years ago, my people were Muslim. I feel like this movie in a way was an expression of hope for peace. Great reaction.
It's not ridiculous. For centuries kids, both male & female, have been coronated kings and queens.
The Queen wasn't evil, she killed her son out of mercy to what she saw her brother had to endure. She said she would endure hell in the afterlife to prevent her son having to endure hell on Earth.
Witch she is good enough
Saracen is a European term that means not of "Sarah"
Jews and Christians believe they are the descendants of Abraham and his wife Sarah through his son Isaac and Isaac's son Jacob(Yakub in Arabic)
Jews and Christians believe that Arabs are the descendants of Abraham through Hagar, who was Sarahs servant and Hagars son Ishmael.
Christians had several terms for Muslims in the middle ages that are no longer used beside Saracen, such as Mohhamedeans, and Hagarenes and in some Jewish writings Muslims are referee to as Ismaelites(descendants of Ishmael) they way Jews call themselves Israelite(Israel was a new name given to Jacob by a angel sent from God in the torah)
Christians believe they are spiritual descendants of Abraham, not literal. Ishmael is thought to be one of the progenitors of the Arabs but not the entire group. Abraham's other sons are also considered ancestors of the Arabs.
Her son he been allowed to live, would have developed the same disease that killed the king. One of the symptoms is a lack of the ability to feel pain hence why she got so worried when he didn't react to the hot wax falling on his hand or being poked in the foot with a needle. His flesh would basically decay and he would become deformed like the king and die an early death. She killed him with poison to prevent that suffering as an act of mercy.
No, she killed him to prevent her own suffering. That is never mercy. That's why they don't give them a choice. it's always for selfish reasons masquerading as mercy.
@@unclebounce1495 Sounds a bit like projection, but I'm not going to bother arguing.
@@CertifiedSunset Which part of that sound s like projection, or do you just say things to say it so you can close your ears?
Even way back then there was extremists. There was good and bad in every race as there is even today.
I was just going to write something similar. All our collective religions have had our extremists and they are not good for any of us of an faith.
ethnicities, races do not exist, everyone is human, there are no subhumans or sub species in our genus
there are just different ethnic groups that compose it...
The muslims took all of north africa and the entire middle east. At the point of this movie the muslims still occupy portugal and Spain through military force. After The byzantine Emperor asked the western kingdoms for help, they sent the crusaders. This is a defensive war and nothing extreme about it.
@@christos3280Okay sorry but a little history lesson
1. First off, the first two crusades were a response to the encroaching of the Seljuk turks into Europe (the Moors were not seljuk Turks and were a different sect of Muslim)
Yet in both there was a direct route to control Jerusalem under Christian authority
Which had nothing to do with stopping the Muslims in the west
We see Richard the lion heart at the end of the movie heading off to start the third crusade which had nothing to do with Muslim invaders from Istanbul or the Balkans
It was because the pope couldn't stand Jerusalem being in the hands of mulsims
In fact neither the third crusade and following were about stopping the Turks but securing the holy land as Christian dominated
And they all failed. Richard abandoned the crusade to pillage half of France to make up the money he lost going to the middle east
Erico dandillo led the Italians and veninitions on tne fourth crusade and then used it as pretense to sack Constantinople and never once went to the holy land
And the rest of them failed, and were mass slaughtered by the Turks and the Muslims permenantly.
there's only one race for fuck sake
I still own this movie on dvd. One of my favorites.
I like how y'all always double check and clarify with each other when you didn't understand! That's such a good thing to do, makes for a nicer reaction to watch as well :)
Thank you for the movie. God bless you (and all of us).
Fun fact about the actor who plays Saladin: the director just saw this guy and heard him speak, and decided he was perfect for the role (the man was just at one of the locations by chance, he was not an actor, I think). I love it!!!
Also, Sibylla was trying to spare her son pain. I don't condone it, but I can understand her motive. It's why she said she would go to hell instead.
Wikipedia claims he already had an acting career in Syria since 1987.
@@banyarling Okay. You're probably right. My bad.
@@scifiauthorwhat kind of sci-fi books do you recommend
@@ahmedsalim571 The Maximum Ride series by James Patterson, or his earlier, less teen-oriented When the Wind Blows. Or the Doctor Who series (adventure/time travel based off the tv show). Hope this is useful for you!
Iirc he regretted taking the role for quite some time. It was only years later he changed his opinion.
He was perfect.
I am soooo happy you guys found this hidden gem. this is one of my all time favorite movies! The story telling, the character interactions, the subtle hints. The there is a theory that the priest was actually an angel among men.
Im glad you reacted to the full version of the movie. Even though it is long it really improves the movie
Thank you for reacting to this film! I enjoyed hearing your perspective!!!
No problem 😊
The disease is leprosy. The original king only had one arm paralyzed by it, which is a less aggressive version of the disease. The nephew had multiple limbs with no feeling and would indicate the more aggressive form of the disease, which is even more horrible and is fatal much quicker.
The “long thing” are called Siege towers. They are built for easy access to the castle walls and are very powerful tool if used properly. They use many so that at least one siege tower connects and allows enough forces to open more entry points like the main gates.
I think you brothers would enjoy The 13th Warrior (1999) that would be a great movie to react to.
This is my favorite movie of all time! Yay! Glad to see someone react to it especially you guys!
They had trebuchets to launch stone, burning rubish or anything else they could (including the heads of enemies). It was a very brutal time.
So I'm glad to see you reacting to this movie. Its not as historically acurate as I would like but it is a good movie that does depict some of the problems and prejudices of the time. 😊
I really enjoyed watching one of my favourite movies along with you guys. It was great. I'll be looking for more reactions from you brothers. Maybe "Fight Club" or "The Matrix"? Cheers!
Which edition of the movie did you watch? I've got the extended edition on DVD and it's like 3.5 hours but there is so much more in here. The entire plot line with her son is completely cut out. This version just adds so much more context. Which one is it?
I think Salah ad-Din killed Renard de Chatillon, because he knew he was responsible for the killing of his sister. Also: To be protected by the laws of hospitality, one has to be offered hospitality first. By offering the cup of ice to Guy de Lusignan, he offered him to live, protected by the law of hospitality. Renard was not offered the drink, but took it, disrespecting the custom. Being the murderer of Salah ad-Din's sister, he was doomed to be killed anyway. As king, Salah ad-Din could not let him live and still command the same respect of his followers.
It’s a bit more complex than that. IRL Saladin had said he would execute Reynauld if he was ever prisoner because he had repeatedly broken treaties and murdered Muslim travellers, and he had a target on his back for years before Hattin. Contemporary Islamic writers considered Reynauld THE enemy of Islam, that’s how cruel he was.
I am Catholic but you 2 are also my brothers we walk different paths but i respect you
1:03:20 Islam was once the center of wisdom, far above Europe in every discipline, including mathematics, chemistry, and physics. It is a great pity that the Mongols burned Baghdad to the ground.
I recommend 13th warrior if you havent done that one yet. One of my favorites.
As-salaam 'alaikum. It's kind of interesting to see a bunch of different reactions to movies. This one got my attention right away. I remember seeing this waaaaaay back in the 2000s. Time has flown like crazy. So yeah, you guys seem cool. Subbed.
Orthodox Christian here loved the video guys 🙏
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Members of the Holy Roman Catholic Church use to go on pilgrimages to the Vatican, and Jerusalem until around Vatican two. I’ve been on one to the Vatican. In Istanbul in the early 1990’s they use to allow Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians to have Mass in Hagia Sophia in one of the restored area of the Mosque/Basilica. It was a truly amazing and beautiful thing! Two of the oldest Religions able to worship in the same place, even as an eight year old I saw it!
Millions of Catholics every year still go on pilgrimages to the Vatican and Jerusalem. Those places didn't suddenly stop being holy after the second Vatican council.
Awesome, exciting to see y'all's take on this. One of my favorite flicks.
Salam bro. I think you should react to Salahuddin - Arab Egyptian version with English subtitles. It’s called Al Nasser Salahuddin. It’s much better and more accurate.
Really like the actor who plays Salah ad-Din!
36:10 - At that time, there was an established Roman Catholic Kingdom of Jerusalem (founded after the First Crusade), whose ruler at the time, in which this film takes place, was Baldwin the Leper King.
All these knights are from Europe, but the specific ones who strive for war in this film are the Templars. This order was the wealthiest one, and it was officially dissolved in the early 14th century (the last grand master of the Templar Order Jacques de Molay was burned in France in 1314).
The Crusaders (including the Templars), participated in crusades against Muslims or to retake the Holy Land from the Muslims. They are all knights from Europe, i.e. crusaders, but they are from different orders or from none of them (just lone knights). Crusaders ≠ Templars, but Templars were part of the Crusaders.
Greetings from Poland! 🤍✝❤
These types of reactions to historical films are very important, given the significant fact that people and their possible shared values with those who portray them, can be reflected on screen. But this film will always have a place in my mind and my heart because the director took the trouble to exalt the wickest passions of humankind, but also a glimpse of shared values between warriors of both faiths (Christians & Muslims), all of them from the nobility, to follow norms of shared conduct: *the Code of Chivalry.* Listening to you speak, dear Habibi brothers, I conclude that we as Christians are as unknown to you, Muslims, are you are to us. Finally it is always nice to find common ground with people from different faith. Big hugs and respect from Central American lands!
P.D. This is my first time seeing the extended cut of this film. Thank you for sharing it! Salamaleicum! 🙏
I don’t like reactions usually but this is fascinating. Just to see it from a non Christian perspective.
53:00 is a reference to Moses and the burning bush.
It is speculated that the Hospitaler was an angel in the movie.
Was looking for this comment. I never noticed the first few watches then I saw the directors cut and it confirmed it!!!
His head is in the pile at the end of the lost battle, he's not an angel.
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2:18 of the DC bluray. Balian and Tiberius inspect the battlefield, Tiberius warns Balian that he has 4 or 5 days at most and leaves for Cyprus. Balian looks at the pile of heads
and it zooms in to show the head of the Hospitaler.
He killed Reynaud because Reynaud killed his sister. Offering water was an extension of protection in a way - he was promising Guy he was not going to summarily execute him.
By stating that he did not give the water to Reynaud, he was making clear that this did not extend to him, since Saladin had not given him the cup directly.
Yes Guy was trying to save Reynaud, but it was never going to happen, revenge was already set.
The story about the sister is a complete fabrication, though. Saladdin did kill Reynald as an act of revenge, but it was because he had attacked a caravan during a truce.
Hey guys. This is Marco from the United States. Thank you for the reaction. This is a good movie. The disease that the king had was leprosy. It is not really contagious except for young children, which is why the nephew contracted it.
Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to your channel.
The "You can check out but you'll never leave", you'll never be able to forget it and your either hooked or it's a nightmare you'll always have, perhaps
40:18 He says, "You reap what you sow. You have heard of this?" This is a reference to the Christian concept of "You reap what you sow" from Galatians 6:7 and Proverbs 22:8.
The Muslim translator is saying, "You deserve mercy because you showed me mercy. You reap (mercy) what you sow (mercy)."
Love you guys reaction this movie. A lot of it gets lost on people, I like when either of you did, you went back to understand. You guys actually pay attention, even to the little subtle things.
That reaction to ice was priceless. Be interesting to see you guys watch the movie Agora.
You gentlemen should react to "The 13th Warrior," which has a Muslim scholar (Antonios Banderas) travel with the Norsemen in the Middle Ages. It's a very loose adaptation the Germanic tale of Beowulf combined with Muslim scholar Ahmad ibn Fadlan's historical account of the Volga Vikings. Ibn Fadlan's writings are actually one of the best sources we have for how the Rus Vikings lived. I think you might like it, plus it would be interesting to hear everything they have wrong about Arabs and Islam.
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As a Christian I respect Saladin a lot man stuck to his word and to word of god I think he and Baldwin had great respect for eachother which is why the 2 kingdoms lived in peace for the most part next to eachother
A Crusader is anyone who takes up the cross - goes on crusade to remit their sins. The original Crusaders of the 1st Crusade -approx. 100 years before, had now founded kingdoms in Outremer and were essentially a confederation of local Lords under the King of Jerusalem. When you are surrounded by enemies it makes sense to make peace with them, trade, adopt their customs etc. 'New' Crusaders coming in full of ignorance and zeal, along with a few fanatics, could easily upset this balance, which is what is happening here.
A beautiful film. It plays loose with history, but the spirit of it is still there. I love its portrayal of Salah ad-Din Yusuf ibn Ayyub and King Baldwin IV, both were reasonable men in unreasonable times, trying to deal with the radicals in on their own sides while maintaining justice.
At the end of the day, Jerusalem is just a city. It served its purpose when God needed it to, but now it is no longer required for anything. Anyone anywhere can find God now. And it isn’t God that has confused His purpose, men have. When we are before God, all confusions will be clear, and the truth will be made apparent for everyone. I have no doubt that anyone who came to believe in God and his Word, whether it be Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc will be saved once God makes everything clear to us at the end.
One of my favourite movies . I'm glad you reacted to it .
I hope its the directors cut. It is 100x better.
I will be home in an hours and will enjoy this one.
I think it is. I watched the theatrical version and there the part all references to Sibylla's son were edited out.
Saladin was my fav character in this movie. He stole every scene and had great lines.
Because King Baldwin had Leprosy and at the time it was though it was transferred through physical contact it could be thought that when he asked for the the "Kiss of Peace" it could have been considered a death sentence. Loved the reaction keep it up and peace be upon you.
Well this is going to be interest. I'm not a religious man but I do like this film a lot.
Saladin actually killed all the Templar and Hospitaller Knights, took many slaves, and ransomed the rest of the Christians.
For medieval warfare, it was still very merciful, but not quite what was shown here.
True, but they watered down a lot of that on both sides. Balion being some liberal progressive, tolerant of all faiths guy is another example.
Thank you for an abstract impression and opinion. We need more.We Americans suck at history. This historian/ anthropologist appreciates it.
This is a Hollywood film made by the guy who made Alien not an historical document.
I'm tired of how much Americans sell ourselves short in terms of knowledge, did these guys not have just as many issues identifying things or reasons for events happening in this as well? I enjoyed the reaction too though.
16:10 the man didn't say "operas", but "our prayers". "Sounds like our prayers".
Peace is always better.🙏
You should consider leaving subtitles on. It actually helps the viewer. Good job tho. Loved the reaction
"Perhaps I should have had a different teacher." is my favorite line in the film.
The knights in white with the red cross were Templars. The ones in black with white crosses were hospitalars
Teutonic knights who tries to assasinate balian near end
I am not a religious person, but I find the history of the Abrahamic religions to be extremely central to the history of the world as we know it, and the stories told are truly the stuff of legend. Your commentary and insight is always well-informative and concise. Keep up the good work :D
"always the black dood that dies first" - No respect for the poor white dude who got sniped while taking a shite 2 seconds earlier xdxdxd haha
Considering the likelyhood of there being a black dude crusader in the first place unlikely.
Where can I download this movie?
Despite what hateful people will say, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are extremely similar with very minor differences...they are basically the same religion hence being called the Abrahamic religions as they all believe they are descended from Abraham...The best way to describe it to a Muslim is suni and shia but the split between these beliefs happening very very very long ago.
Minor differences?
What are you smoking?😂
"His English is thicker than mine." LOL