Norforce is actually an RFSU - Regional Force Suirveillance Unit - from memory there are three RFSUs (Norforce, The Pilbara Regiment and the Far North Queensland Regiment). For some reason Norforce is the best known of the three and Norforce is sometimes used interchangeabely with RFSU. The RFSU are army resrrve units with a pretty much operational role in peacetime, they operate accross the north of Australia their main role is surveillance, although obviously they have other roles and in the north of Australia they need to have some offensive capability as the would soemtimes be the only force for hundreds, perhaps thousands of kilometers. They are not (at least publicly) really sleeper units per se although they may end up as stay behinds. They are uniformed, based in well known locations etc just like any other army reserve unit. SASR's main role has always been stratgic reconaissance, although they also had oyther roles - essentially they were Australia's only regular (as in full time) special forces so they also undertook other roles, both officially as well as unoffcially. During the late 90s Australia developed a full time commando regiment. Priot to the raising of that commando regiment the only other special forces in Australia - at least officially - were two reserve commando companies one in Sydney and one in Melbourne (Australia's two main population centeres) which had a fairly high nunber of ex SAS personel in them - guys who'd lived in Perth for their regualr career, then moved back east and wanted to server on a part time basis, keep in touch with their mates etc. The reserve commando companies and the full time battallion's main roles are strike direct action, raids etc, although they do have a reconnaissance capability and since maybe the late 90s early 2000s the regular commands also provide the special recovcery (countert terrorist) capability for eacstern Australia - i.e. the vast majority of the Australian populations. But before the full time commadno regiment was raised strategic reconaissance was the main and classis SAS role. I believe strategic reconnaisasance still is the main tole and perhaps is even more so now that we have regular commandos to underake direct action,raids etc. Ben may have been deployed with Austrlaian Special Forces but it is apparent that he knows little about the Australian Army or even the histories of the regiments he was embedded in. Which I think is fine if your just reporting on them with news stories, but if you're publsiching a book you really need a bit more depth. The biggest issue with the way the Afghan "murders" has been handled in my view is that it is only the soldiers that have been charged. The OC (officer commanding - the squadron leaders) the CO the regimental commander, the dir=ectory special forces (if they have a positon in the chain of command) and all the way up needed to be charged. Commanders are resposible for the acvtions of their troops. Thats why German and Japanese officers were executed after world war to. They are responsible to know what is happeneing and to put in place mehcanisms - including culture - to know what is happneng and resposnible to prvide training and support so that soldiers can commit crimes - or unsanctioned killing - without know about. The responsible parties - and I mean legally and morally are the commanders. If they didn't know there was a culture where kills were celebrated the way it has been protrayed they were celebrated was happneing, if they were turning a blind eye or being willfully ignborant - which reports in the media and first hand accounts suggest was the case - then the commanders are respionsbile - including the civillian chain of command e.g. the minister and the prime minister. I'm all for charging the soldiers if there was a crime, but I object strenuously to the way these killings were handled because the morally, ethically and legally responible parties were not charged. In my view lawyers need to be embedded in every deployed sub unit and particiapate in operatons on the ground maybe 1 lawyer for every platoon or troop in conventional units and 1 per patrol for special forces. It would be interesting to see the rules of engagement and the interpretations if that were the case. That scale would never be met, but I do think lawyers who advise the comanders of ROE should be involved in operations on the ground on a regular basis and should when deployed should be required to advise the actual commanders on the ground. As opposed to the commanders sitting in the FOBs or regional HQs. It's ridiculous to give legal protection to every one except the guy getting shot at adn blown up for months on end.
From alittle research in early 80s SASR were doing the role of RFSU however due to other commitments, trained up and handed the role to reserve units , so arguably RFSU are doing sasr type observation and surveillance tasks, in conjunction with intell from border force, federal police ect
The SAS relied upon rule of war 556 which can be cross referenced with rule 762 and on occasion rule 9. It’s war mate. Taliban certainly did not play by any rules.
Because they are actually live instead of a recording, which typically brings in more engagement from the audience. This “podcast” almost tv show style of content is the new thing these days and if you look at any popular YT channel, they’re most likely all producing live content rather than recorded videos. To give you an example, how many popular yt channels have the word “the”, “podcast”, and/or “show” in the actual name of their channel?
A lot of people here commenting shit about this guy, but most of them are not even in the military, actually there are many former SASR who say the same about the committed war crimes
Don’t like saying this , but some of his stuff was off. Back when all this kicked off , they were like ; what will we ever do. The boys & girls 😬 rolled into town , an secured our freedoms. Now you wanna point your finger , an play Monday morning QB. Not with it. But like the podcast 💪🇺🇸🙏
He talks about the ‘appeal’ but that case was never a criminal case, it was a civil case re defamation. Where are all the convictions for war crimes? Had to turn off and do something more meaningful. Looking forward to the next show. Cheers
The whole " kill or capture " argument is moot. Soldiers are not policemen. The role of the infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him. To seize and hold ground and to repel attack, by day or by night. Regardless of season, weather or terrain. The majority of our SASR are all mostly from the infantry battalions and the SASR is the only unit that a member can be awarded the ICB ( Infantry combat badge ) even if that trooper didn't do the required six months in a warzone employed as a infantry soldier previously and then goes on to complete that service as a member of the SASR. You ask any one member and they will tell you that little ICB means more to them than the rest of their medals combined. Lets not kid ourselves here with the excuse of I'm just a concerned civilian. Let's be realistic, even in Australia if you decided to go to the effort of joining the police or military and then turn on your comrades despatching them with the weapons you were issued with and then run away they are not going to forget about you and let you disappear into the outback. Authorities would have hundreds of heavily armed forces either police and/ or army actively pursuing you depending on the environment, terrain, manpower, skill levels and weaponry required to stop you. It goes without saying you would not be taken alive and pretty much be guaranteed Australian police agencies would also hunt down with extreme prejudice anyone who helps or aids you in your escape that's a given. We've been offing enemy combatants either out of necessity or mercy from Breaker Morant to Bob Buick. Everyone does it, all sides do. D day paratroopers were executing surrendered Germans the same as we were having to draw straws at Kokoda because we couldn't take the Japanese prisoner on the few occasions they surrendered to Australian fighting patrols. You let them go, they come back and kill 10 more.
This guy gives me all the wrong vibes, like a matthew cole but with an axe to grind and much less researched. Ive seen some of the helmet cam footage before and while it is rough, these guys were being deployed at a record rate to fight a useless war for the goverments benefit while the people at home milled around like ignornant sheep. And now its ok for them to be thrown under the bus so some sort or moral high ground can be taken? The world is a very upside down place.
He talks about the ‘appeal’ but that case was never a criminal case, it was a civil case re defamation. Where are all the convictions for war crimes? Had to turn off and do something more meaningful. Looking forward to the next show. Cheers 😊
Norforce is actually an RFSU - Regional Force Suirveillance Unit - from memory there are three RFSUs (Norforce, The Pilbara Regiment and the Far North Queensland Regiment).
For some reason Norforce is the best known of the three and Norforce is sometimes used interchangeabely with RFSU.
The RFSU are army resrrve units with a pretty much operational role in peacetime, they operate accross the north of Australia their main role is surveillance, although obviously they have other roles and in the north of Australia they need to have some offensive capability as the would soemtimes be the only force for hundreds, perhaps thousands of kilometers.
They are not (at least publicly) really sleeper units per se although they may end up as stay behinds.
They are uniformed, based in well known locations etc just like any other army reserve unit.
SASR's main role has always been stratgic reconaissance, although they also had oyther roles - essentially they were Australia's only regular (as in full time) special forces so they also undertook other roles, both officially as well as unoffcially.
During the late 90s Australia developed a full time commando regiment.
Priot to the raising of that commando regiment the only other special forces in Australia - at least officially - were two reserve commando companies one in Sydney and one in Melbourne (Australia's two main population centeres) which had a fairly high nunber of ex SAS personel in them - guys who'd lived in Perth for their regualr career, then moved back east and wanted to server on a part time basis, keep in touch with their mates etc. The reserve commando companies and the full time battallion's main roles are strike direct action, raids etc, although they do have a reconnaissance capability and since maybe the late 90s early 2000s the regular commands also provide the special recovcery (countert terrorist) capability for eacstern Australia - i.e. the vast majority of the Australian populations.
But before the full time commadno regiment was raised strategic reconaissance was the main and classis SAS role.
I believe strategic reconnaisasance still is the main tole and perhaps is even more so now that we have regular commandos to underake direct action,raids etc.
Ben may have been deployed with Austrlaian Special Forces but it is apparent that he knows little about the Australian Army or even the histories of the regiments he was embedded in. Which I think is fine if your just reporting on them with news stories, but if you're publsiching a book you really need a bit more depth.
The biggest issue with the way the Afghan "murders" has been handled in my view is that it is only the soldiers that have been charged.
The OC (officer commanding - the squadron leaders) the CO the regimental commander, the dir=ectory special forces (if they have a positon in the chain of command) and all the way up needed to be charged.
Commanders are resposible for the acvtions of their troops. Thats why German and Japanese officers were executed after world war to. They are responsible to know what is happeneing and to put in place mehcanisms - including culture - to know what is happneng and resposnible to prvide training and support so that soldiers can commit crimes - or unsanctioned killing - without know about.
The responsible parties - and I mean legally and morally are the commanders.
If they didn't know there was a culture where kills were celebrated the way it has been protrayed they were celebrated was happneing, if they were turning a blind eye or being willfully ignborant - which reports in the media and first hand accounts suggest was the case - then the commanders are respionsbile - including the civillian chain of command e.g. the minister and the prime minister.
I'm all for charging the soldiers if there was a crime, but I object strenuously to the way these killings were handled because the morally, ethically and legally responible parties were not charged.
In my view lawyers need to be embedded in every deployed sub unit and particiapate in operatons on the ground maybe 1 lawyer for every platoon or troop in conventional units and 1 per patrol for special forces.
It would be interesting to see the rules of engagement and the interpretations if that were the case.
That scale would never be met, but I do think lawyers who advise the comanders of ROE should be involved in operations on the ground on a regular basis and should when deployed should be required to advise the actual commanders on the ground. As opposed to the commanders sitting in the FOBs or regional HQs. It's ridiculous to give legal protection to every one except the guy getting shot at adn blown up for months on end.
From alittle research in early 80s SASR were doing the role of RFSU however due to other commitments, trained up and handed the role to reserve units , so arguably RFSU are doing sasr type observation and surveillance tasks, in conjunction with intell from border force, federal police ect
He seems very clearly to agree that blaming it all on the soldiers is not the answer. This was a clear failure of leadership.
SASR aren't war criminals, they never lost a war yet.
The fundamental issue with the GWOT is we did not align success with what we were willing to do and local conditions.
Great interview, looking forward to reading the book
The SAS relied upon rule of war 556 which can be cross referenced with rule 762 and on occasion rule 9. It’s war mate. Taliban certainly did not play by any rules.
Alright mate. Sit down and have a drink.
Ahh yes, The Bush Veldt Carbineers and rule 303.
@@veridian79 Very good Breaker!
Good episode fellas!
Once again guys, fantastic show. Very interesting.
Great interview gentlemen. BTW, the ABC needs to be defunded.
Too bloody right it does , the hatchet job they did on Heston was criminal in itself.
Australian brother's god bless.
Let's fight!
I’ll never understand why they don’t list these as videos instead of just Lives. They would get thousands more views.
Do you work at TH-cam?
@@TheTeamHousePodcast tell em D!
Because they are actually live instead of a recording, which typically brings in more engagement from the audience. This “podcast” almost tv show style of content is the new thing these days and if you look at any popular YT channel, they’re most likely all producing live content rather than recorded videos. To give you an example, how many popular yt channels have the word “the”, “podcast”, and/or “show” in the actual name of their channel?
A lot of people here commenting shit about this guy, but most of them are not even in the military, actually there are many former SASR who say the same about the committed war crimes
This guy is typical of most journalists. He has no fucking idea.
I'm trying to watch it but I'm getting the same vibe
Norforce a sleeper cell? Gee mate do more research
Aboriginals communities running sleeper cells, didn’t you know? Hahah
@@NCINC-wx5jc at least they are very proficient at locating and acquiring get away vehicles.
@@TheChrisrobbo 😂😂😂
@@TheChrisrobbo 🤣🤣🤣
Is this guy for real? Nor force a sleeper cell training land owners in dems. Pleease your credibility out the door right there
Don’t like saying this , but some of his stuff was off. Back when all this kicked off , they were like ; what will we ever do. The boys & girls 😬 rolled into town , an secured our freedoms. Now you wanna point your finger , an play Monday morning QB. Not with it. But like the podcast 💪🇺🇸🙏
He talks about the ‘appeal’ but that case was never a criminal case, it was a civil case re defamation.
Where are all the convictions for war crimes?
Had to turn off and do something more meaningful.
Looking forward to the next show.
Cheers
And the result of that civil case is being appealed.
The whole " kill or capture " argument is moot.
Soldiers are not policemen.
The role of the infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him.
To seize and hold ground and to repel attack, by day or by night.
Regardless of season, weather or terrain.
The majority of our SASR are all mostly from the infantry battalions and the SASR is the only unit that a member can be awarded the ICB ( Infantry combat badge ) even if that trooper didn't do the required six months in a warzone employed as a infantry soldier previously and then goes on to complete that service as a member of the SASR. You ask any one member and they will tell you that little ICB means more to them than the rest of their medals combined.
Lets not kid ourselves here with the excuse of I'm just a concerned civilian. Let's be realistic, even in Australia if you decided to go to the effort of joining the police or military and then turn on your comrades despatching them with the weapons you were issued with and then run away they are not going to forget about you and let you disappear into the outback. Authorities would have hundreds of heavily armed forces either police and/ or army actively pursuing you depending on the environment, terrain, manpower, skill levels and weaponry required to stop you. It goes without saying you would not be taken alive and pretty much be guaranteed Australian police agencies would also hunt down with extreme prejudice anyone who helps or aids you in your escape that's a given.
We've been offing enemy combatants either out of necessity or mercy from Breaker Morant to Bob Buick. Everyone does it, all sides do. D day paratroopers were executing surrendered Germans the same as we were having to draw straws at Kokoda because we couldn't take the Japanese prisoner on the few occasions they surrendered to Australian fighting patrols. You let them go, they come back and kill 10 more.
shout out scojo
Why does everyone use the word kinetic these days? And what do they mean by it?
just means moving doesent it??
@@brianford8493 well why not say that?
@@briangarrett2427 i just did
Sounds dynamic
It’s all part of fetishizing the operator culture.
This guy gives me all the wrong vibes, like a matthew cole but with an axe to grind and much less researched. Ive seen some of the helmet cam footage before and while it is rough, these guys were being deployed at a record rate to fight a useless war for the goverments benefit while the people at home milled around like ignornant sheep. And now its ok for them to be thrown under the bus so some sort or moral high ground can be taken? The world is a very upside down place.
He's a very good author. Read mosul.
Don't believe everything you feel.
Love all the butthurt fanboys on the comments who can't face reality.
As usual the Dutch were useless 😂
Yes ,I agree,too Liberal.From a SADF Veteran.
👍
He talks about the ‘appeal’ but that case was never a criminal case, it was a civil case re defamation.
Where are all the convictions for war crimes?
Had to turn off and do something more meaningful.
Looking forward to the next show.
Cheers 😊
Has only half a idea cred ability zero
This is shit I am out.
Was it all the big words? Not enough explosions?