Served in 3/10th SF from ‘80-86. Have been to SOT twice, trained with DET A, and did the Green light mission for a bit. Great episode. We did a ton of UW back then. Keep up the good work.
My dad was in special operations in the Air Force and was in Iran before the hostages were taken. He was stationed at the embassy during Ramadan in previous years when the students tried to originally take it over. He said they all got on the roof and thought they were going to die until they called in a “favor” from the “governor” and it was not an American governor. All of a sudden tanks started rolling down the street crushing cars and stuff. It had the desired effect and stopped the students. He said the reason there were so few hostages got taken was because they pretty much knew it was going to happen eventually and were getting people out of there. After that he came back home and was sent to Berlin and I’ve always been told he was on the other side of the wall. he will not tell any stories about that at all to anyone besides my uncle after my grandma’s funeral (which was the night of the power blackout in like 2004 or whenever lots of booze was consumed that night) I was not privi to that conversation at 14 years old. He just got diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer so maybe I can get him to give me more info soon. I do know one time he told me what he did dies with him a long time ago.
I swear he told me they were called the rats or something like that at one point. If you have any info of what he could have been involved in, or what unit that would be awesome. I know there is a lot of stolen valor out there but he is not that kind of person. He doesn’t brag about it to anyone or tell anyone really all he has is a license plate frame on his car that says Air Force special operations. Besides that he never says anything and I I try to bring it up he doesn’t want to talk about it.usually doesn’t like talking to too many people in general.I have personally seen letters to my grandparents from him. At one point he spoke fluent German idk if he still knows how considering that was approximately 45-50 years ago. He graduated hs in 1973 or 74. Maybe a year or 2 earlier.
My first SF assignment was in 1st Battalion, 10th SF Group in Germany. One of my teammates was in DET-A. We were all familiar with the stories of Lodge Act soldiers like Larry Thorne. I had a teammate who was borne in East Germany, served in their army, and was sent to Syria by the Soviets as an advisor. He spoke fluent Russian and pretty good Arabic.
I served in SOCEUR (SOCEUR SIGNAL DETACHMENT - SSD) 91-93 and 96-00. SOCUER "Owned" 1/10th SFG(A), NSWU-2 (Naval Special Warfare Unit - 2) and 352nd SOW (Special Operations Wing) (Formally 39th SOW). 39th/352nd SOW directly answered to SOCEUR. The NEOs I participated in, in Africa, always involved the 352nd as direct transportation for not only the CIF, but also SOCEUR HQs. Now, IF there were AMCITS to transport OUT of the country being evacuated, it was usually done by TRANSCOM assets like C-141s. ALSO, the JSOC - CIF handover HAS been done.....in exercises every year. The idea of the CIF showing up first and elements of JSOC falling in on top of them was VERY well rehearsed. One of the BIGGEST differences between a CIF and JSOC assets was Permissible vs. Non-Permissible environments. CIFs trained and equipped to not only conduct the assault itself, but to fight TO the assault and OFF the Assault. JSOC primarily trained to conduct the assault in a fully permissible environment (hence why "Blackhawk Down" was a debacle). JSOC operators might carry 4-6 rifle mags and 3-5 pistol mags.....CIF operators would typically carry 12 or more rifle mags, plus LMG/MMGs, 203s/M79s, etc. Very different concepts of operations. Operation Silver Anvil, the NEO of Sierra Leone in 1992 under then SOCEUR Commander BG Richard C. Potter, was probably the turning point in what was INVISIONED for the CIF and how they were actually Employed.
@@Wil482Senior Incirlik AFB, Turkey and Operation Provide Comfort.....Good times. Coming from Desert Sheild/Storm and 50th Sig BN on Bragg; SOCEUR and SSD (and Stuttgart) was like a completely different world to me. I LOVED my time in Stuttgart, so much that I went back for 2nds....LOL. For the Signal/Communications community, SSD was probably the best kept secret in the Army. In a LOT of ways, at least for SOCEUR, the 90s was absolutely the Wild Wild West. BT The Fact that DET A and other "Berlin BDE" missions were an integral part of 10th SFG history, influenced how 10th would and does conduct business over the following 30+ years. While every Group definitely had its own personality just because of its Area of Operations, the Group Personality was also shaped by its History. Besides the DET A/etc. Mission during the Cold war, 10th also had responsibility for the JCO (Joint Commision Observers) for Bosnia along with hunting PIFWCs. 10th was much more dialed in on building target packets, developing assets and doing "Clandestine" work. Other Groups were more of the "We speak 7.62 and 5.56 and don't need language training" kind of Personalities. That might have changed over the 20+ years of GWOT; BUT, especially at the beginning of OIF, it was readily apparent what a Group's focus was.
Special Operation Tactic (SOT) predecessor to Special Forces Advanced Reconnaissance, Target Analysis, and Exploitation Techniques Course, (SFARTAETC). Which included muti-entry and tubular assaults. When SFARTAETC came on-line it became the premier course gaining the multi-entry and tubular assaults portions among other topics. Also, at this time only CIF members went to SFARTAETC. SOT became a SFAUC on steroids run by SWCS. Both SOT and SFARTAETC were run in parallel exciting at the same time until SOT was dropped. Fast forward and then the GRPs stood up SFAUC.
I'm sad the book doesn't get into interdimensional warfare, purple ops or task force macaroni but I guess it's not surprising from someone still drinking government tap water. Happy for you that you got it past the finish line Jack, gotta imagine it feels like a never ending process.
1:54:10 Matt Pranka (12 years at CAG until ‘21) said during those dozen years, he can think of maybe 5 times he went into a room where rounds were going both ways. It seems like the days of doing hits and CQB are on the wane, when if there’s no HR involved, why risk the boys when you can just either do a call-out, or level the structure? Obviously we still need units that can perform the HR mission, but actually conducting those mission sets seems few and far between.
I have a book written by Oliver North, titled special operations, which pretty much shows pictures, and gives brief breakdowns of all the different SOF units and their capabilities. Just from this interview I can tell this book is SOOOO MUCH MORE!!! Definitely buying one!!! I read a couple of books by Leonard B. Scott in high school and while in the Army attending PLDC/WLC my SGL said his father served under that author in Vietnam, small world.
Super interesting! I know what to get my dad for Christmas now. Hope you sell a lot of copies Jack! Great episode, as usual. Happy to see Cappie here too
From Russian history, there was a famous instance when Odessa, after WW2 (military age men were gone) was so ridden with criminality than Marshall Zhukov deployed deployed combat hardened intelligence/guerrilla specialist troops in civilian disguise to deal with pickpocketing and banditism in the city.
I bought the book Jack... Very good book, now for volume two or an expanded updated version (2nd Edition) to include, to name a few; Grizzly Hitch, RST, RAT, SFOD-E, -F, -G, -H, and OSW. There are more to add to this list. Also, the book Copperhead has some pretty good coverage of Green Light.
RST is included in the CIF chapter and Copperhead is referenced in the Green Light chapter. Grizzly hitch would be a great topic. I know SFOD-G was in Iraq, but I'm not familiar with the others. Drop me a line sometime. My email is in the book.
Can you guys do an episode with Matthew Cole on strictly the UBL raid. The second request is Camp Nama in Iraq. Thanks, gents. It's still the best SF channel!
My uncle Phil Hunt was a Green Beret he was in Germany and in Vietnam he would tell me stories when I was younger. he moved to another state when I got older I was interested in his stories I was able to get him on the phone we talked about the movie we were soldiers he said they were at the bottom of the hill engaging the soldiers that were moving to support the battle going on on top of the hill. he was going to move back to California to be closer to family I was super excited I love military history but he passed away days before the move I have his Beret in my closet
My uncle Phil Hunt was a Green Beret he was in Germany and in Vietnam he would tell me stories when I was younger. he moved to another state when I got older I was interested in his stories I was able to get him on the phone we talked about the movie we were soldiers he said they were at the bottom of the hill engaging the soldiers that were moving to support the battle going on on top of the hill. he was going to move back to California to be closer to family I was super excited I love military history but he passed away days before the move I have his Beret in my closet my co worker is a retired Green Beret he said it's a flamming arrow Beret
ANCOC / O&I were taught back to back, .... got the 18F assignment soon after. Best course SWCS developed, Dick Meadows was our class primary instructor
The CIF companies in the 2000s, all became HPW capable for communications interoperability and gained a certain radio while the rest of the SF got saddled with the inferior model from a different corporation. I was working at SOCEUR and decided to visit nearby 10th Group 1st BN and stop in at S6 and the SIGO throws me out. Not able to hand back wrath he deserves for being an asshole, I just walk down to C Company and spend the whole day there working with the available echos.
I went twice to Mott Lake. It was the best training EVER! It was 4 weeks long and our whole team went. Had 3 other SF teams and a Ranger squad in the course. Dodge city, linear targets, Michelin shoot house.
It would cool to see loads of cold war era movies with paper clip consultants fighting communism . The rulers of Hollywood wouldn’t allow it. I Don’t blame them tho
Those Detachment A guys were the OG Operation Gladio hitters. The more I learn about Detachment A the more I realize just how much they pioneered in the Special Operations doctrine from the 1950'-1980's. Even Marcinko took SEAL 6 to cross train with Detachment A. Then you have the Detachment A operatives that cycled through MACV-SOG. I often wonder what would have happened if they would have been allowed to target the Education systems that produced the Socialists and Communist's. I think that US SF could have won the Cold war 20 years faster by targeting the Teachers and College Education staff. If you take McCarthy's warnings about Communist infiltration of the US government as the starting point back in the 1950's and JFK's Secret Societies speech in 1961 as a Presidental Guidance from the Commander in Chief. We put a Man on the moon in 9 years by 1969. We could have toppled Communism by 1970. The problem was we were commanded by Civilians and conventional Military officers who fight like conventional losers. Meanwhile we were fighting communism in the conventional sense on the battlefield while supporting the United Nations which is Global Communist governance. The Communist New World Order is going to win and the US government is making it happen.
The fact that you didn't get that out of the way about the Conroe combo regarding this gentleman serving in Ukraine. Bothers me a lot because we shouldn't be there fighting nothing... Certainly should not be there fighting Russians this is the playbook for you know what it's a playbook from the left and m i c!
US SOF are absolulty hopeless at blending in SEA, they should take notes from the Aussies SOF dress like a typical tourist and not a typical vet bro decked out associated apparell, also 1st grp has a great relationship with its partner forces espcially with the CIF.
Served in 3/10th SF from ‘80-86. Have been to SOT twice, trained with DET A, and did the Green light mission for a bit. Great episode. We did a ton of UW back then. Keep up the good work.
Thanks not informative at all.
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My dad was in special operations in the Air Force and was in Iran before the hostages were taken. He was stationed at the embassy during Ramadan in previous years when the students tried to originally take it over. He said they all got on the roof and thought they were going to die until they called in a “favor” from the “governor” and it was not an American governor. All of a sudden tanks started rolling down the street crushing cars and stuff. It had the desired effect and stopped the students. He said the reason there were so few hostages got taken was because they pretty much knew it was going to happen eventually and were getting people out of there. After that he came back home and was sent to Berlin and I’ve always been told he was on the other side of the wall. he will not tell any stories about that at all to anyone besides my uncle after my grandma’s funeral (which was the night of the power blackout in like 2004 or whenever lots of booze was consumed that night) I was not privi to that conversation at 14 years old. He just got diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer so maybe I can get him to give me more info soon. I do know one time he told me what he did dies with him a long time ago.
I swear he told me they were called the rats or something like that at one point. If you have any info of what he could have been involved in, or what unit that would be awesome. I know there is a lot of stolen valor out there but he is not that kind of person. He doesn’t brag about it to anyone or tell anyone really all he has is a license plate frame on his car that says Air Force special operations. Besides that he never says anything and I I try to bring it up he doesn’t want to talk about it.usually doesn’t like talking to too many people in general.I have personally seen letters to my grandparents from him. At one point he spoke fluent German idk if he still knows how considering that was approximately 45-50 years ago. He graduated hs in 1973 or 74. Maybe a year or 2 earlier.
Planning on grabbing several copies of the paperback for Christmas gifts. Congrats on the book, dude!
My first SF assignment was in 1st Battalion, 10th SF Group in Germany. One of my teammates was in DET-A. We were all familiar with the stories of Lodge Act soldiers like Larry Thorne. I had a teammate who was borne in East Germany, served in their army, and was sent to Syria by the Soviets as an advisor. He spoke fluent Russian and pretty good Arabic.
I was on Larry Thorne body recovery detail, got to meet his family. Several members of my first ODA were Det A guys.
I served in SOCEUR (SOCEUR SIGNAL DETACHMENT - SSD) 91-93 and 96-00. SOCUER "Owned" 1/10th SFG(A), NSWU-2 (Naval Special Warfare Unit - 2) and 352nd SOW (Special Operations Wing) (Formally 39th SOW). 39th/352nd SOW directly answered to SOCEUR. The NEOs I participated in, in Africa, always involved the 352nd as direct transportation for not only the CIF, but also SOCEUR HQs. Now, IF there were AMCITS to transport OUT of the country being evacuated, it was usually done by TRANSCOM assets like C-141s. ALSO, the JSOC - CIF handover HAS been done.....in exercises every year. The idea of the CIF showing up first and elements of JSOC falling in on top of them was VERY well rehearsed.
One of the BIGGEST differences between a CIF and JSOC assets was Permissible vs. Non-Permissible environments. CIFs trained and equipped to not only conduct the assault itself, but to fight TO the assault and OFF the Assault. JSOC primarily trained to conduct the assault in a fully permissible environment (hence why "Blackhawk Down" was a debacle). JSOC operators might carry 4-6 rifle mags and 3-5 pistol mags.....CIF operators would typically carry 12 or more rifle mags, plus LMG/MMGs, 203s/M79s, etc. Very different concepts of operations. Operation Silver Anvil, the NEO of Sierra Leone in 1992 under then SOCEUR Commander BG Richard C. Potter, was probably the turning point in what was INVISIONED for the CIF and how they were actually Employed.
I was in B-1-10 during that time, on ODA 025.
@@Wil482Senior Incirlik AFB, Turkey and Operation Provide Comfort.....Good times. Coming from Desert Sheild/Storm and 50th Sig BN on Bragg; SOCEUR and SSD (and Stuttgart) was like a completely different world to me. I LOVED my time in Stuttgart, so much that I went back for 2nds....LOL. For the Signal/Communications community, SSD was probably the best kept secret in the Army. In a LOT of ways, at least for SOCEUR, the 90s was absolutely the Wild Wild West.
BT
The Fact that DET A and other "Berlin BDE" missions were an integral part of 10th SFG history, influenced how 10th would and does conduct business over the following 30+ years. While every Group definitely had its own personality just because of its Area of Operations, the Group Personality was also shaped by its History. Besides the DET A/etc. Mission during the Cold war, 10th also had responsibility for the JCO (Joint Commision Observers) for Bosnia along with hunting PIFWCs. 10th was much more dialed in on building target packets, developing assets and doing "Clandestine" work. Other Groups were more of the "We speak 7.62 and 5.56 and don't need language training" kind of Personalities. That might have changed over the 20+ years of GWOT; BUT, especially at the beginning of OIF, it was readily apparent what a Group's focus was.
Hi from Ireland cant wait to read this book
Special Operation Tactic (SOT) predecessor to Special Forces Advanced Reconnaissance, Target Analysis, and Exploitation Techniques Course, (SFARTAETC). Which included muti-entry and tubular assaults. When SFARTAETC came on-line it became the premier course gaining the multi-entry and tubular assaults portions among other topics. Also, at this time only CIF members went to SFARTAETC. SOT became a SFAUC on steroids run by SWCS. Both SOT and SFARTAETC were run in parallel exciting at the same time until SOT was dropped. Fast forward and then the GRPs stood up SFAUC.
I'm sad the book doesn't get into interdimensional warfare, purple ops or task force macaroni but I guess it's not surprising from someone still drinking government tap water. Happy for you that you got it past the finish line Jack, gotta imagine it feels like a never ending process.
1:54:10 Matt Pranka (12 years at CAG until ‘21) said during those dozen years, he can think of maybe 5 times he went into a room where rounds were going both ways. It seems like the days of doing hits and CQB are on the wane, when if there’s no HR involved, why risk the boys when you can just either do a call-out, or level the structure? Obviously we still need units that can perform the HR mission, but actually conducting those mission sets seems few and far between.
Enjoyed this episode a lot. Excited to get my hands on the book. Ordered many for gifts! Thanks, gents
Cappy lookin at the book like he has a signed copy already.
This kind of content really fascinates me. Love the history.
I have a book written by Oliver North, titled special operations, which pretty much shows pictures, and gives brief breakdowns of all the different SOF units and their capabilities. Just from this interview I can tell this book is SOOOO MUCH MORE!!! Definitely buying one!!! I read a couple of books by Leonard B. Scott in high school and while in the Army attending PLDC/WLC my SGL said his father served under that author in Vietnam, small world.
"Arrogant CIF member" insert picture of Tim Kennedy
I will definitely buy this book! SF are my favorite SOF operators!!!
Super interesting! I know what to get my dad for Christmas now. Hope you sell a lot of copies Jack! Great episode, as usual. Happy to see Cappie here too
From Russian history, there was a famous instance when Odessa, after WW2 (military age men were gone) was so ridden with criminality than Marshall Zhukov deployed deployed combat hardened intelligence/guerrilla specialist troops in civilian disguise to deal with pickpocketing and banditism in the city.
Congrats on the book, Jack. I will be reading .....
I bought the book Jack... Very good book, now for volume two or an expanded updated version (2nd Edition) to include, to name a few; Grizzly Hitch, RST, RAT, SFOD-E, -F, -G, -H, and OSW. There are more to add to this list. Also, the book Copperhead has some pretty good coverage of Green Light.
RST is included in the CIF chapter and Copperhead is referenced in the Green Light chapter. Grizzly hitch would be a great topic. I know SFOD-G was in Iraq, but I'm not familiar with the others. Drop me a line sometime. My email is in the book.
@@TheTeamHousePodcast Just finished DET-A chapter, I will finish it up in a day or so.
I’m purchasing this!
Great stuff!
Can you guys do an episode with Matthew Cole on strictly the UBL raid. The second request is Camp Nama in Iraq. Thanks, gents. It's still the best SF channel!
Just read Plasters Mac-Sog which was an overview. Your book should arrive Thursday and I hope it’s similar
Understatement of the day "Charlie was not real diplomatic" !!
Just ordered 'We Defy' in paperback and can't wait to read it.
Also got Col (retd) Milburn's book while I was in a buying mood.😂
Can’t wait to get one of these!❤
My uncle Phil Hunt was a Green Beret he was in Germany and in Vietnam he would tell me stories when I was younger. he moved to another state when I got older I was interested in his stories I was able to get him on the phone we talked about the movie we were soldiers he said they were at the bottom of the hill engaging the soldiers that were moving to support the battle going on on top of the hill. he was going to move back to California to be closer to family I was super excited I love military history but he passed away days before the move I have his Beret in my closet
My uncle Phil Hunt was a Green Beret he was in Germany and in Vietnam he would tell me stories when I was younger. he moved to another state when I got older I was interested in his stories I was able to get him on the phone we talked about the movie we were soldiers he said they were at the bottom of the hill engaging the soldiers that were moving to support the battle going on on top of the hill. he was going to move back to California to be closer to family I was super excited I love military history but he passed away days before the move I have his Beret in my closet my co worker is a retired Green Beret he said it's a flamming arrow Beret
Thanks, you covered it. Went to SOT. I was SF 70-92, Lt/Hvy Wpns, O&I, E8/MSG - CWO2. 7th & 10th SFGA and 1st SOCOM Abn.
ANCOC / O&I were taught back to back, .... got the 18F assignment soon after. Best course SWCS developed, Dick Meadows was our class primary instructor
Can you buy a signed hard copy?
The CIF companies in the 2000s, all became HPW capable for communications interoperability and gained a certain radio while the rest of the SF got saddled with the inferior model from a different corporation. I was working at SOCEUR and decided to visit nearby 10th Group 1st BN and stop in at S6 and the SIGO throws me out. Not able to hand back wrath he deserves for being an asshole, I just walk down to C Company and spend the whole day there working with the available echos.
Pat watkins was MACVSOG hes the guy who trained people in vietnam with bb guns
Larry A. Thorne? / Wikipedia: Matti (kätkö)
What about the SOT Course taught at Mott Lake?
@@toddbates1099 what about it?
I went twice to Mott Lake. It was the best training EVER! It was 4 weeks long and our whole team went. Had 3 other SF teams and a Ranger squad in the course. Dodge city, linear targets, Michelin shoot house.
You guys should get Pat Mac on to speak on these Cold War ops!
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It would cool to see loads of cold war era movies with paper clip consultants fighting communism . The rulers of Hollywood wouldn’t allow it. I Don’t blame them tho
Freaking officers 😂
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CAPPYYYYY!!!!!
I guess I’ll just buy the book bc all I can hear is nasal/mustache breathing and mouth noises.
Those Detachment A guys were the OG Operation Gladio hitters. The more I learn about Detachment A the more I realize just how much they pioneered in the Special Operations doctrine from the 1950'-1980's. Even Marcinko took SEAL 6 to cross train with Detachment A. Then you have the Detachment A operatives that cycled through MACV-SOG. I often wonder what would have happened if they would have been allowed to target the Education systems that produced the Socialists and Communist's. I think that US SF could have won the Cold war 20 years faster by targeting the Teachers and College Education staff. If you take McCarthy's warnings about Communist infiltration of the US government as the starting point back in the 1950's and JFK's Secret Societies speech in 1961 as a Presidental Guidance from the Commander in Chief. We put a Man on the moon in 9 years by 1969. We could have toppled Communism by 1970. The problem was we were commanded by Civilians and conventional Military officers who fight like conventional losers. Meanwhile we were fighting communism in the conventional sense on the battlefield while supporting the United Nations which is Global Communist governance. The Communist New World Order is going to win and the US government is making it happen.
Im not watching this whole when what ur doing is a 2 hour promotion for your book
@@tt-ki2dw hope you enjoy the book
@@tt-ki2dw hope you enjoy the book
The fact that you didn't get that out of the way about the Conroe combo regarding this gentleman serving in Ukraine. Bothers me a lot because we shouldn't be there fighting nothing... Certainly should not be there fighting Russians this is the playbook for you know what it's a playbook from the left and m i c!
What?
US SOF are absolulty hopeless at blending in SEA, they should take notes from the Aussies SOF dress like a typical tourist and not a typical vet bro decked out associated apparell, also 1st grp has a great relationship with its partner forces espcially with the CIF.