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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2024
- In today's video, we are checking out an affordable wireless active antenna distribution system by Phenxy Pro. This is the PAS 225x. These are extremely valueable because they 1) power all of your wireless receivers and 2) instead of having 8+ antennas stacked on top of each other in a rack, this system will combine and distribute the wireless to your wireless receivers with just 2 antennas. Very cool, and a very affordable price. Please note that these are for wireless mics and instruments (guitar/bass/etc). These are not for in ear monitors. I plan to do a video on an IEM combiner in the future.
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0:00 - Intro
1:58 - What’s Included
3:17 - Setup Intro
3:39 - What Gear Works With This?
5:00 - BNC Cable Connections
6:24 - Connecting PAS 82 Paddles
7:04 - Power Cables
8:06 - Cascade
9:06 - Price
10:01 - Best Practices
11:52 - Setting Gain
12:43 - My Experience
13:28 - Close Proximity
15:33 - My Thoughts
16:47- Outro
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Camera setup and mic looks great! I've been learning a lot from your videos, thanks a lot for all the useful info you post!
Thanks! It’s a new learning experience for sure for me, but I like the new camera for sure!
Happy New Year Scott, I was wondering about the same system. Thank you for doing video about it. You are amazing, I’m not just saying it because there are so many people having channel on TH-cam but they are interested in making money. You’re genuine and very passionate and informative.
Thanks Ace! I’m glad you like the videos. Happy new year!
Great video and information. I wish I knew about this before getting my church to buy the Shure version, because it could have saved us some money. FYI, the Shure versions come with ¼ wave omni directional antennas. Something like that keeps from saturating the system when you're close, or even passive directional antennas instead of active directional antennas. I hope this help as muchbas you help the community 👍🏾👌🏾
Oooo very nice! Hope they come out with one that works with in-ears. Thanks for doing this review Scott!
I can’t wait for the IEM one for sure!
Very informative Scott. Great vid. Even I learned something!
Thanks Bill! I definitely learned a few things for this while researching the video as well
Great video Scott, thank you again for sharing. Awesome work👌👌
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for showing the setup! Very helpful vid
Glad it was helpful!
Really good point about the fact you can be too close to the antennae. Where our problem lies, I think, is with the IEM antennae. If you move around, frequently we get a “sizzling” noise in our ear buds which I assume would be rectified by a system like this. I look forward to it. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks for the info.
great info in this video...glad you are giving your own opinion and not swayed for them sending it to you
Always will 🤘
Excellent video dude! I’m gonna start looking for the iem combiner unit soon.
Thanks
It’s supposed to be still in the works, but I haven’t heard an update on it yet
Great video Scott! I really appreciate these videos you produce on these cost effective products. They are great for what they are, do, and cost and they DON'T have to be troublesome. If we use them to get started, they will not only pay for themselves they will also pay for upgrading to higher quality gear later. It really is a win-win if used correctly like you have. Thanks again!
Thanks! And yeah, absolutely win win for sure!
great info thankz i just bought some for my dj ceremonies. the worst when your have drop outs
Yup! An officiant said it really well at one wedding I did ceremony for: “Great job man… sound guy is a tough job. If you do it perfectly, no one knows you are there. If you make a mistake, everyone turns to look at you” haha
Very informative!
Thank you!
Nice. I'd put a cable tie mount on the back and cinch that power cable down.
Good video Scott, people laugh at me but I don’t care, when it’s needed a blob of hot glue on the barrel of receivers etc stops the cables working loose, the threaded barrels should be mandatory, but so should 12v out on all of these devices. Cheers.
Great video bro... thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Also I can’t wait for IEM combiner
Can’t wait!
Happy New Year! It’s out of stock right now😢! I wonder if the XTUGA GA816 is good. Or If I should wait.😅 I need one badly. Thanks for the video
Ah man! It is out of stock now lol, great time to release the video 😅😅😅
This was very helpful. I learned ALOT. Thanks. Quick question for anyone who might know: Shure shells a system that allows for cascading 5 splitters with one antenna system, but it costs 3x as much as equivalent PHYNEX components. I’m trying to learn if there is a limit to how many PHENYX splitters can be cascaded together without needing a second set of antennas? I have 20 Shure mic systems for community theater
Thanks! Glad you liked the video.
And I don’t believe so, and like I go over, you can cascade multiple units together in order to get that many wireless 👍
Hey scott thanks for the informative video, what did u do with the fins when they were acting up? did u just unplug the BNC on the fins and put a small antenna on that same mic stand? would that work? or would u have to reinstall every tiny antennas back on to each individual mic receiver?
The antennas were not acting up, I was just tok close to them for what was needed. So I used a wired mic for that show since I was so close anyways
Hello Scott, thank you for all your videos, very useful, a question mate, in terms of sound which wireless mic system from Phenyx sound better to your ears? thanks
I like the PTU 1U and 2u ones 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic last question man, in comparison with the sure in terms of sound, can they keep up?
Love the video! Question: I am in a similar situation were I will mostly be on a smaller stage needing to combine 8 wireless systems. Can I use the 225x with omni antennas instead of the directional ones you showed here?
I believe so, but I’m not positive
@@ScottUhlMusic Thanks for your quick reply! I’ve learned a lot from you. Keep it up!
Superb video! I am definitely going to get this. The only thing I'm unsure about is how I get them high in the area for wedding ceremonies. Is there a tripod made for this? What are you using in your thumbnail? Thanks in advance
Those are just regular mic stands that I’m using. That’s usually what I use 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic Oh! So that means they have the 5/8-27 thread?
But what if I’m dealing with this for putting 4 wireless and an x32 in a rack that’s lowered and antennas facing away from us and we have drop offs on good sized stages where we are like 20ft away vs 10ft and it drops out. I was thinking of buying this for those 20 foot away stages.
You can do that. It’s likely because you have too many antennas in a rack and/or are not on good channels/frequencies. This will help with the first, but not the second, so be sure to always scan 👍
If you’re right up against your rack, you can still use the distributor, just switch to a set of whips instead of the paddles. Hopefully you have gear that’s in the band the whips are tuned to. I think a pair of Shure G band 5/8 wave whips will work fine for the majority of the Phenyx pro stuff.
Interesting. What is a “whip”? I’ve never heard of that antenna. Is that just the Omni one?
@@ScottUhlMusic yeah the Omni one. That’s what we call them in my area at least. Maybe it’s southern Californian AV lingo?
🤣 haha I’ll have to learn some then!
But yeah I would have to see if that works. My guess is that it will. Have you done that before?
@@ScottUhlMusic I have the generic distributor on Amazon for about the same price and the whips work with it. I only use the directional when I’m front of house and I’ve had interference come in when attempting to get something 5 feet from the antenna. It’s like using a long zoom lens to take a picture of an object right in front of you.
Of course this happened when the client decided to change things last minute and wanted to use the same mic on stage 70’ away with the audience between, and also move to the room right behind the console (yes a different room) and use it there too seamlessly while conversing with someone on stage in the first room. In retrospect, I should have gone with the Omni option to be agile in the changing environment and had them set high up, but you cant prepare for every last thing the client might improvise.
And they just don’t understand the limitation of wireless equipment. They thing everything’s going to work perfectly for 16 hours of the convention no matter where they’re using the mic from, meanwhile the audio guy has to jump out of his seat and swivel the antennas to make sure it’s focused on the transmission. It’s a thankless job.
Question - Shure, Audio-Technica and Line-6 have an industry standard universal mic capsule thread. Seems like the SE-V7 and M80 cartridges are popular on Shure wireless systems. Was wondering if you know of less expensive wireless transmitters/receiver systems that I could use a genuine beta58 or beta87 cartridge on? Would be great if Phoenyx Pro capsule could be swapped out for a real Shure one. I see that you think the Phoenix pro capsules are ok - it's just when I am providing a PA to a new band, there is a comfort in seeing a real beta58 capsule on the mic stand. Would appreciate your opinions. Thanks for all your great videos - I am learning a lot from your channel ... Mark from Toronto.
I don’t know that to be honest. I usually use Shure mics or the PP mics.
Can you recommend a reasonably priced combiner for my Shure SLX-D units. We play mostly in clubs and outdoor stages where the microphones are within 50 feet.
These would work well with SLXD systems 👍 you can also do passive combining if it’s only for 2: th-cam.com/video/f3gDWJc9phA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=CSzsfdcQjeHhMTvJ
Hey I have the phenyx pro 7000 series and the rf venue distro4 and the rf venue diversity fin. Do you have a video on this?
I do not 😕
Cameras look great! Thoughts on Ptm10 vs ptm11?
Thanks! And PTM 10 is true stereo, so you can do the 2 receivers 1 transmitter for two separate mono mixes trick. PTM10 has a few more features than the 11. I’ve reviewed both on my channel actually. They both are great!
Thanks for the info. I'm an ignorant about all of this, and I'd like to know: Do I need the whole system or can I use only the pads? I have a PTU-1U, I MC wedding receptions.
Thank you and happy 2023.
You’ll need some sort of active antenna distribution system in order to use the paddles. At least I’m 90% sure about that. You can email PP and they are great with responding. If I’m wrong definitely let me know! This is my first time using these as well
Thank you @@ScottUhlMusic, I emailed them already, if it's different than what you know, I'll let you know.
@@ScottUhlMusic, here's Phenyx Pro response:
Hi Jehison, thanks for reaching out. The PAS-82 has to be used with the PAS-225 system in order to perform.
I Have 3 ptu-2u, and jus bought pts-225! Now i have to connect! In 9:06 there is correct connection on the right!?
On the reciever back there in one side antenas is written A1 and b2! bouth of them need to connect in one side!? in 6:20 you swich different!
Now i have confused!😅
Um… I’m not sure haha, it should be labeled correctly 👍
@Scott did you try to turn the gain down in the smaller venue? And if you did what was the outcome?
At that one venue I played at I had some issues for sure, but I had them right by the stage, so I don’t recommend that
What is the Shure system capable of in comparison to the Phenyx? Wondering if the price is simply brand name or if there is better performance from the Shure system?
I have not used the Shure one, so I’m not sure…… (not Shure? 😄)…. But the specs look almost exactly the same. Except the gain controls are -6, 0, +6 and +12 instead of just up or down. Thats the main difference I saw.
Hey Scott! Thanks for this, I’ve been wanting to use with 4 slxd units but wasn’t sure about power and overall stability.
Would you say that using these paddles are just as good if not better than using the normal antenna that come with the slxd units?
I haven’t had any dropouts, but want to clean up my rack.
Yup, they are great and will also focus the direction of the antennas to the stage instead of just the Omni antennas that they come with
@@ScottUhlMusicawesome! My concern is with the directional paddles. Right now, with the 1/4 wave antenna I get great signal on stage but also in the other direction, back in a green room, etc.
Would I lose coverage “behind” the paddles and only get good signal if I’m standing in the direction they are pointing?
How would I combine 3x of the PTU-2u?
It has 4 antennae on the back, so if I combine 3 of them it requires 12 total antenna outputs but this active distributor only outputs 8.
3 of the PTU2Us is a total of 6 wireless mics and 12 antennas. This one (and most distributors) only have the ability to do 5. So you can combine 5 of them and then leave the other one as the 1/2 wave antennas. Or you have to get a second distributor system.
I didn't think about leaving 2 of the antennas as the stock / built in and then just bundling the others into the distributor. Interesting idea. @@ScottUhlMusic
Hi!
Thanks for sharing it!
Is it working properly?
Is it possible use the antennas without amplify their signal? I'd like to make it work as a passive model
These are active antennas for this system. I have a video on passive combining: th-cam.com/video/f3gDWJc9phA/w-d-xo.html
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks for the answer!
My question is, can I use antenna gain in 0db?
One more question, can I use passive half wave antennas on it? I'd like to use it instead of ordering a shure combiner.
In some little stages the directional antennas won't work for me than I'll have to use the omnidirectional ones
Would this distribution unit work with the Phenyx Pro PTU 7000? Or does the wireless mic system have to be a true diversity unit?
It works with the PTU 7000
So you would trust Phenyx audio in general? Going to get to your other review videos, but I'm always leary at this price point.
I really love what PP is doing. They do budget stuff very well for musicians. My singer and drummer use their IEMs at every show and they work great.
They also have a 1 year warranty on their products as well, which is great. However, if you are skeptical, you can always spend the money and get something that is higher end 👍
Hello, big fan of your videos. I wanted to ask have you ever tried the LD Systems MEI 1000 G2 or are you planning making a future video of it?
I haven’t seen those and haven’t used them. So I’m not sure 🤔
I have 2 LD mei 1000 G2 system and they are great but i also have another system and are made by Anleon which not
only cheaper but i feel the transmitter body packs more durable.
@@nealepitts3321 Awesome, so are you talking about the anleon s3 the one that Scott Uhl made a video recently?
@@ScottUhlMusic Well I saw that they are selling good here in Europe at Thomann and they are not on the expensive side. I've been considering buying the anleon s3, because of your positive review, but I have to order it from China, because they are not available in Europe.
@@radostinmihaylov8317 exactly, wish i had 3 .
As a kid I thought I just needed a guitar, an amp, and a cable to be a rockstar. My Sweetwater rep will tell you: that was not the case
how do you change the channel on the paddles to get the best reception?
You don’t change channels on the paddles themselves. You do that on the wireless receivers
@@ScottUhlMusic ok bummer man, i thought it was one stop shopping. Meaning set and forget---set a decent channel that the paddles can tune to and BOOM. Oh well, I dont think I'll get them, thanks for the video though. (I like to save time at gigs)
6:23... do you HAVE TO USE paddles? Can you just use quality omni-directional stick antennas?
I believe you can if you prefer, but I’m not sure. I need to look into that more
You can. I asked Phenyx if a set of one of their wireless antennas would work and it does
I have 2 PTU 6000 with a total of 16 channels. Any tips on how to squeeze 16 XLR cables into the back of a 4 RU case ? Ever use a patch panel ?
I know this doesn’t answer your question directly, but You are going to very likely run into problems using that much cheap wireless all at once. I suggest watching these two videos specifically:
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@@ScottUhlMusic thanks for the input. I'm looking into the Shure SLXD24D now. If we use 6 of these dual channel receivers in a 10 U rack case, do you think attaching 12 XLR cables to the back of these receivers would be at all challenging with all of the antenna BNC cables running up to the antenna distribution unit and power cables running up and down ? We will be setting up and breaking down every Sunday for church. Just wondering if a patch panel is ever used for larger racks or if there is enough space .
Is it Possible to use Omni-directional antennas with this system?
For when you have the system on stage right next to you.
I believe so, yes. Because the BNC cables attachment is the standard way to attach an antenna. I have never done that, so I would have to find out if there is more to it than that, but my understanding is yes. If anyone is able to add to this, please comment below…
The paddles are amplified… that’s the only thing that makes me not sure
Hello, very good work on your videos, I have a question regarding this system, 2 months ago I bought the Phenyx Pro Ptm-22 system, there are 8 Body Packs, connected to 2 dual transmitters, that is, 4 on each transmitter, they work well, but there are times that I have small sound cuts, this system will help me to solve the problem!!!
Greetings from Mexico!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please watch the video again… I specifically mention this is NOT for in ears but for microphones. They are working on ones for inears. But these are for receiving the signal from wireless mics/guitars… NOT for transmitting the signal to in ear monitors.
But once the system comes out for IEMs I’ll definitely review them! 🤘
@@ScottUhlMusic On the website it mentions it is for IEM's as well. "Antenna distribution systems for wireless microphone systems and antenna combiner systems for IEMs."
Have you tested these against the senhizer Omni antenna ? I looking at adding something for my wireless mics but also use on the alto wireless speaker system. Not sure what setup I want to go with.
The Omni antenna is just the antenna. This is a full distribution system plus antennas
I’m not running multiple at the same time maybe two if I did the distribution. Just curious how these two would stack up if compared against one another
What works with IEM's? I am getting too much noise with my Phenyx Pro system.
You’ll need a combiner. I did that on my iems here; th-cam.com/video/f3gDWJc9phA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tIFTbwwA1DccTKw-
So this works with Shure ULX boxes? I need ONE more UA844 unit to combine like 3 other UA844 together......this would work?
This will work with the ULX or any wireless system in UHF 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic What about Sennheiser EW100 systems? Could this be used with those? Like I’d like to cascade a bunch of those to get my antennas down to like 2
If they are uhf you are good 👍
used your code...thanks
Thank you! 🤘 enjoy 🤘
Which stands did you get for the antennae paddles?
Just standard mic stands 👍
What do you use to attach the paddles to the mic stands?
They are set up to screw into a mic stand already 👍
How did you mount the paddles to mic stands?
They attach very easily actually just like a mic clip
What solution they have for IEMs ?
There are antenna combiners out there for IEMs. Phenyx pro is working on one.
Scott: Thanks for this video. Question: How far away from the PA225 can the paddle antennaes be? As long as the paddles have line of sigth with the (in my case) Shure SLXD4D handhelds and lapel mics, how far away can the paddles be from the receiver unit (using BNC cables I know)? THnaks
I’m not sure the exact distance. But these should be able to cover most distances. Like I demo for my gig, I was on the complete other side of the room and they worked great. I’m sure 200 feet would be fine.
Will this work with the PTU-7000?
Yes 👍
What do you use for in ears then?
A combiner 🤘
can i use one pas 225x whit 3 PTU7000 ???
No, PTU still has a single antenna out for each of the 4 wireless in it. So there is no combining going on with the PTU 7000. So you cannot use 3 with 1 of these
What stand and threat do u need for this antennas?
It fit on a standard mic stand 👍
@@ScottUhlMusic thank just got mine today will be using them for ceremony
Can this be used for in-ear monitors?
Nope, I mention that specifically in the video
Is this system as good as seenhiser g4
Sennheiser G4 has more features and RF tuning bandwidth, so it’s “better” but you pay the price for that 👍
Help, where do I get the tripods?
You can attach them to any mic stand
@@ScottUhlMusic thank you, I have my extensions but the adapter screw is too large, so I went on Amazon and ordered an adapter set.
Does it work with wireless headset stage mics?
The type of mic doesn’t really matter, it’s as long as you have wireless receivers that can connect to this type of distribution system
@@ScottUhlMusic thanks so much Scott, last question: how many mic receivers can you connect this unit?
@@danemarais7398 answered in the video 👍
Overall good video, but you signal flow diagram "arrows" and the bit about being "too close" makes it seem like you think these antennas are "transmitting towards" the mics - which is completely incorrect and a significant misunderstanding that will only hurt and confuse those who come here for information. Also - the antenna gain should ONLY ever be used to compensate for cable loss - NOT for mic distance. If you try to use it to compensate for mic distance you will simply amplify the noise floor along with the mic signal. LPDA's usually run 5-7dB of passive gain so I have NO idea why they would put active antennas on this setup, and you should basically NEVER use the antenna amplifier unless you are running over 100ft of BNC antenna cable from the antenna to the distro. Let me know if you want to chat more or learn more about wireless - or host a chat together to dispel myths and increase understanding for those watching.
Thank you for the corrections 👍
Dude great info, and would love to learn more
LPDA Log Periotic Dipole Antenna...
I haven’t heard of that