How GOOD was Toxicroak ACTUALLY? - History of Toxicroak in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 4-7)
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Toxicroak is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Toxicroak in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:50 - DPP/Gen 4
3:49 - Gen 4 VGC
5:36 - BW/Gen 5
8:16 - Gen 5 VGC
9:22 - XY/Gen 6
10:59 - SM/Gen 7
12:22 - Gen 7 VGC
17:10 - Outro
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For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent. I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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Toxicroak: I’m RU
*starts raining outside*
Toxicroak: I’m OU now
*UU (in gen 4)
Woa woa woa
False swipes gay forgot the swsh strategy of toxicroak
*Gen 7*
"ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?"
@@rejvaik00
Yep
Parkour!
"They're putting chemicals in the water, that turn the fricking frogs viable in VGC !"
Best comment
This is hysterical
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hmm. No wonder it's Poison type
Fricking underrated comment
Toxicroak: I’m just not that powerful.
Gen 8 OU: focused around rain, fairys, Dragapult who gets stomped by sucker punch.
Toxicroak: 𝘾𝙤𝙬𝙖𝙗𝙪𝙣𝙜𝙖 𝙞𝙩 𝙞𝙨
But then there's a armour borb that stonks it...
Toxicroak is the definition of a "format assassin". Under very special circumstances that just so happen to be OP enough to popularly abused, it dominates in ways that it probably shouldn't. But without those circumstances, it can't really hold its own due to relying too much on the opponent's team rather than its own.
@@joshuakim5240 Toxicroak gets fat off of "ways that it probably shouldn't". As though they were snack food.
More focused around sandstorm than rain tbh
more focused on sun honestly
Kyogre: “how could you possibly be a threat to me, I’m The mighty Kyogre.” Toxicroak: “wouldn’t you like to know,
weather boy”
Kyogre: "did you just assume my gender?"
@@malexthegreat Toxicroak: Oh Im sorry
Weather THING.
Quagsire is derping his face in the corner dude...
@@malexthegreat Kyogre: what's gender?
Kyogre: "I'm the most powerful Water type ever!"
Dracovish: "You kidding, right?"
Politoed's drizzle is introduced
Toxicroak: You know I'm something of a weather man myself
He made that exact joke in the video
why yes I too watched the video
Gugg Gugg Gugg Gugg Gugg Gugg Gugg Gugg Gugg Gugg -wouldn’t you like to know, weather boy-
@@minachoi2012 thanks
@@carlosrosado6130 He actually said "rain expert" so not exact but semantics
I like how Toxicroak became more viable in a format that allowed legendaries lol
Basically a god Slayer
Kyogre was quite the oppressive force
Parasect in gen 4 had a niche in ubers, PARASECT HAD A NICHE IN UBERS
Sort of like Shedninja and some F.E.A.R. sets.
Quagsire and Solrock : First time?
So basically, Toxicroak has always been an anti-meta pick. When the meta was built around Toxicroak's strengths, it excelled, but it lacked the presence to personally influence the meta.
Morgan with an Eevee just like how frogs in real life are heavily influenced by there surroundings
Polar Flare Funnily enough, I made a similar real-life connection in the comments section of the Raikou video.
So it's the frog we need and not the one we deserve
At gen 7 RU, imo, toxicroak main role is "fairy attacker" but can be a "surprise sweeper". You may only slap gunk shot/poison jab, drain punch, swords dance, but you have this one moveslot that can be "substitute" or maybe sucker punch.
The problem is this last moveslot is "unpredictable" because it cant be analyze from team preview, and toxicroak isnt a switch in pokemon. So, yeah i guess you will know the following procedures..
Pretty much. Its stats are nothing to write home about, its frail, not super fast, and not overwhelmingly strong. What it does have is a typing and ability combination that no other pokemon shares, so when the meta is right, it can do things no other pokemon can. There are better fighting types, there are better poison types, there are better pokemon that can tank water moves, there are better pokemon with good priority moves, but there's only one pokemon that can do all of these things at once.
When these are all good traits to have, Toxicroak shines. When some of these traits don't matter as much, or some of its traits become more of a liability than a strength, there's usually a better pokemon for the job you're looking for.
5:43 "Toxicroak introduced itself as something of a rain expert itself" I love this script
What's this meme I'm not aware of?
He passes the B.R (bachelor of rain)
@@ShinyKelp The meme "I'm something of a scientist myself"
@@ShinyKelp Willem Defoe’s quote.
“I’m something of a scientist myself.”
*me in the middle of watching “how good was Magneton actually”*
“ooh new video”
That profile picture and name...
Perfection.
Hello there
I love how your profile pic is Violet snorting water, LOL.
@@moistmarsupial3528 general Kanobi
I find it interesting how in Gen 5, a frog Pokemon's ability to summon rain helped to bring another frog to OU viability.
Froggy friends!
oh the humanity
Remember how Groagunk would literally stab Brock's ass like 3,4 times every episode in Gen 4
*Ah.. the good times*
Croagunk did it to save brock the embarrassment of how do you say it cringey flirty proposal
@@mercenarycorp8019 Nah. Dawn even called it out for being mean spirited.
The simp stopper
ngl Croagunk was busted in the anime, to the point that, if it faints or gets pissed, you know it's a fucking serious scenario.
@@pichuperez9037 Brock’s happiny also had the strength state of a machamp
How OVERSHADOWED was Toxicroak by its pre-evolution ACTUALLY?
Lemme put it like this. Croagunk got into Pokken. *TWICE.*
I think what mainly caused the overshadow was Brocks croagunk in the anime being iconic
@@LegendaryCaptain i agree (also his croagunk is cute, IN MY OPINION)
@Tsz Ho WONG Magmortor and Porygon Z as well
Electrivire proceeds to cross his cables💀
@@LegendaryCaptain Gotta love Crogunk using poison jab on Brock and dragging him away
I love how Emboar and Samurott didn’t even need a joke pick like Quagsire to interrupt their video.
smugleaf wins
Toxicroak was planned before the release of Serperior's video
Because Emboar is complete garbage. Sad about Samurott tho, it's pretty cool
I would love to forget about Emboar
@@HardGuess better than Samatrash
Toxicroak when it starts to rain: “It’s gaming time.”
Competitive players with Dry Skin Toxicroak when it starts raining:
_"Oh yeah, it's all coming together."_
Is that Kronk, friend?
imagine the ocean king fight where keldeo is puri puri prisoner and ferrothorn is genos.
oh and landorus T is saitama
ToxiKronk
@@saibeoncastillo7911 This will be the new frog meme that dominates 2020. Let's get it over with...
Ok, whatever you say God.
Base Kyogre seeing Toxicroak: GET THAT THING AWAY FROM ME!!!
Put that thing back where it came from or so help me! So help me. I think I'm gonna cry!
@@rehnhuang1529 Hey what can I say o love the rain basin boy.
@@rehnhuang1529 I was actually just thinking this. Neat.
Toxicroak: Scared of me, eh? Haven't you met my friend?
Kyogre: W-who?!?!?!?
Quagsire: Hello!
Kyogre: *scared whale noises*
@@chaosbreaker657 YES
"So you're UU?"
Toxicroak: "yes, but actually no."
When people misquote an iconic line: Good guess, but actually no.
*Poison/ Fighting*
"The wonderful thing is I'm the only one"
*bounces away happily*
@@jaschabull2365
Mewtwo: *hEllO*
@@carolmega2867 Mewtwo isnt a Poison/FIghting pokemon
@@smileyfaceman3570 Yup, Mewtwo isn't poison/fighting but is psychic, poison/fighting's x4 weakness, that's the point
@@carolmega2867 And then it got Sucker Punch
1:51 That running animation is hilarious.
Yes
Fun fact: Not counting transformations, Toxicroak has the highest Attack stat of any Poison Type.
Edit: Since this comment was made, Sneasler's Attack overcame Toxicroak's in spades.
Sneasler is literally Toxicroak But Better
@@pageclayton6850Sneasler got banned recently.
@@pageclayton6850except in rain
Croagunk’s walking animation in Battle Revolution was absolutely glorious and far more expressive than the 3D model used from Gens 6-8
Croagunk don't appear in XD
The Wisthers Games Thx for pointing out my mistake, I meant Battle Revolution
Tbh, every mon(from gen 1 to 4) has better animations in PBR.
Love how he gets on all fours and hops when he's hit
Battle Revolution had god-like 3D animations.
In the Gen 8 Pokédex, it says that Toxicroak and Seismitoad have common ancestors. So, with one out of the way, How GOOD was Seismitoad Actually?
4:09
It's so satisfying to see Toxicroak one-shot a Ho-Oh like this
It looked so painful Santa went
HO HO - *Oh..*
Imma just.. let myself out
Looks like one out of the ten people who are logged into this account actually watched a video and actually left a comment that wasn’t Reddit tier for once.
Who are you.
Why are you so far down and why are you here. Last time I saw you was akuma no ko
My impression for this mon:
Before fairy existing:
"Ah, your poison type just makes worse for psychic and EQ"
After fairy existing:
"So anyway, i started jabbing those pesky moonspammers"
not like psychic is that popular of an offensive type tbh and it always had coverage for them
the ground weakness is a lot more concerning tbh
“Or Toxic like Britney spears” bruh lol
Bruh 💀
*Cries on a towel with ugly makeup*
*LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!*
LMAO fr tho zane that jwas weak af we need to talk
Here's a better one: "Or Toxic like the Pokémon, Smash and SMG4 communities." XD
You guys know it’s about the song right?
So you’re telling me I could be doing my homework OR. Watch a FalseSwipe coverage of the evolution of my favorite pokémon? decisions decisions.
i’m literally doing both; you can too.
A fighting type that can beat fairies.
Anything with steel or poison typing along with typing can.
most likely at least
And part Poison.
Lucario wants to know your location
Alex Jones: *They're putting chemicals in the water to make the frogs gay!*
Therapist: "Alex, the Gay Chemical Frogs aren't real. They can't hurt you."
Gay Chemical Frogs: 3:33
Beautiful
As a fellow posion type I love Toxicroak and am planning to use it in my diamond playthrough.
Wait you're a Pokémon who's gonna play Pokémon? Nani?
@@ArtsyJet and you're not?
@@azelfdaboi5265 Touché
Loby
Toxicroak is my favorite
Toxicroak is really out here being able to break through bulky waters like Suicune and Milotic
I don’t think there’s ever been a pokemon with quite so unique a set of tools. Nothing’s quite like Toxacroak.
Quagsire would like to know your location
@@mcmc14 Quagsire dies to a grass move tho
@@mcmc14 Ludicolo destroys quagsire, quagsire can deal with Tyranitar I'll give it that.
@@blackknightofmarma1892 Most Pokémon eat Tyranitars for breakfast, beating that thing isn't that hard.
5:41
Don't think me, a Pokemon expert and a memeologist, would miss your two meme references there
Also a modest person 😂 jk
Dont worry. I think you.
great minds think alike
Jason Sharpless What memes?
@@beta511ee4 "Allow us to introduce ourselves" and "Y'know, I'm something of a scientist myself." Your welcome ;)
5:41 we don't deserve content like this, this is absolutely beautiful
I've been playing Pokemon for twenty years, and these videos showed me I know absolutely nothing.
Pokemon's single player is honestly awful at teaching you the game
Yeah they are! Had no idea what special was for when I was 8, didn't know about STAB til the third gen, and you were never gonna solve those Regi puzzles without a guide.
@@asaacisimov8621 There's a lot of basic strategies that the game has that you will never know because the game is obsessed with type matchups and nothing else. Good example is that all of the NPCs in the game are type locked into a monotype or bi-type team with the exception of Ace Trainers, the rival, and the Champion. In a series about choosing a party of 6 team members. Water is the most versatile type in the game, it does everything. But I can invalidate every single water type NPC in the game just by putting a single decent Grass type in front because none of them carry any coverage moves or have team members who can defend themselves.
So if you wondered why you keep running into uber noobs online that only know how to pick the super effective move with the big number, it's not that they're stupid it's just that it's all they know. Because it's all the game bothered to teach them.
@@elevate07 Well the franchise is oriented around children : games, movies, merchandise like toys and collectibles. Adults can always think of a way to challenge themselves but children can just have simple fun playing the games.
Torterra and Empoleon also have unique typings, thanks Gen 4!
Oh finally! Who else is a fan of toxicroak. Its one of my favorite pokemons.
Toxicroak isnt just one of my favorite mons, it IS my favorite mon
Toxicroak fan rises.
Toxicroak has been a member of the goonsquad that represents my favourite mons for a long time now, alongside Crawdaunt and my number 1 gen 8 newcomer, Obstagoon.
Maybe I should use one. Is Croagunk available in Sword? And if so, where?
@@cintronproductions9430 yes. And is a beast on right hands.
Something else to note about Toxicroak's pre-evolution - it has the power of swagger and vibes when it walks.
Toxicroak is great! Croagunk is one of my favorite sinnoh Pokémon/unevolved pokemon/pokemon that I like more than its evo. I used toxicroak on a really type unbalanced team in platinum, ice punch sucker punch brick break and poison jab and it was pretty good even when I also had infernape
One of my favorite poison type Pokemon
Toxicroak is one of my favorites. I think it looks super cool and unique. I wish it got a mega. It could be pretty good if it had a different powerful ability as you could leverage the water immunity before mega evolving.
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By the way, I really like how you sort the moves when 'mons can be played physical or special and can use moves to boost those stats.
Swords Dance plus moves underneath and Nasty Plot plus moves underneath.
Ah the memories of my shiny Toxicroak... Still brings wamth to my heart.
Forever and always will be my favorite pokemon :)
Toxicroak
Skuntank
Roserade
Drapion Gen 4 gave us some BADAZZ poison types that can't be denied!
Yes
Especially drapion and toxicroak
Skuntank really? Roserade is decent but it ain’t great
Early into Crown Tundra, I used a Choice Band Toxicroak with HP investments that acted as a very stupid answer to Urshifu, that also happened to wall Toxapex. It was fun
I just love how Toxicroak moves in Gen4 games (I am forgetting the names, but not the main series games)
Not sure if your reading this but the game is called pokemon battle revolution.
No “Rip VGC lol” in the intro=the mon is at least viable in competitive.
Always a good video when we see, even gimmicky sets, in competitive.
and/or is not a mythic...
poor celebi
Pachirisu is the exception bar 2014
I always had a taste for Toxicroak, started to use him in Pokemon White
Now we need toxicroaks pearl counterpart : drapion
Toxicroak is absolutely one of my favourites, and is definitely going to become a big part of my VGC team paired with my Sludge Bomb Zoroark as soon as I can bring that to this game.
*UPDATE*
*I WAS JUST BREEDING FOR A COMPETITIVE CROAGUNK AND I GOT A RANDOM SHINY ONE.*
*HELL YES.*
I have a rather fond but weird memory of Toxicroak.
When Gen 4 GTS was working I managed to get a Toxicroak from it but it was a German one where its name is Toxiquak. From that point on because the name sounded so funny to high school me I forever know Toxicroak as Toxiqua(c)k and it feels weird hearing it as anything else.
Toxicroak: "I'm something of a rain expert myself"
Toxicroak has always been one of my favorite Pokémon to use
So my favorite Pokémon did pretty good in the competitive scene. Noice.
“Poison/Dark frog”?
Wow, I didn't think Toxicroak did this well. Good job, Toxicroak!
0:30 Sneasel and Sneaseler now say otherwise
When you’re so early people aren’t calling poliwhirl “babe”.
lmao
I am confused.
What?
This is a scary comment
*you’re
Meanwhile in Pokemon Go Great League.........
Toxicroak: “Who decided that? And now for Cruel Mud Bomb!!!!”
Who decided what?
LuxuryLeague
Watch the video
I'VE BEEN WAITING SO LONG FOR MY BOI!!!
I've been watching FSG for quite a while now, yet I didn't realize that I wasn't subscribed yet-
Love your guys' content and I'm looking forward for more cool histories of competitive Pokémon!
Toxicroak is honestly the entire reason I won my VGC games and the Smogon Sun series. I love this mon
“As Britney spears” who wrote this script I want to give them a high five
Supreme Military Commander of Cambodia i think his name is Zane
@@user-hh7kt4le3q I think you cant read description
Gotta say man. Watching yours vids at sunday evening with dinner at hand has become ritual for me. Been doing this for months. Ty for your oh so great content
This has officially become my favorite video of the channel
toxicroak is definitely one of my favorites now. It really came in clutch against a Landorus of all things. And I find it fun to use it alongside Zoroark. I don't usually win, but it's fun.
one of my favorites on my birthday. nice
I used to watch your videos back in the day and I forgot how much I like them, much love
It's nice to see my favorite Pokemon getting some love.
ok so "by popular demand" and "toxicroak" are appearing in sentences together now. is this the greatest crossover since endgame? or has hell just frozen over
“Today we’ll see if the toxic frog was as toxic to the competitive scene as Brittney Spears.”
I love that quote
"if this poison dark frog"
Which is an error btw
Zul'daar poison dart frog, as in the poison dart frog from the amazon rainforest...
@@Zuldaar It sounded to me like he said dart. I think he's got it right.
@@DS_DoggerX oh nice, thats cool then
I suppose I got mislead by his comment on his typing right before that sentence
Eyyy my favourite mon. Thanks for doing this one.
So good keep up the great work!
I really wish the Heliolisk line was introduced in Generation V. It would be such a great sweeper in rain and sun, and could even do well in sand... And it should have had Solar Beam from the start.
Hey, wouldn't it be interesting to cover notable results of pokemons in smogon tournaments as well?
Toxicroak is probably my favorite gen 4 Pokémon. Thanks for the video
As toxicroak/croagunk is my favorite Pokémon this makes me happy
After a year of requesting it, finally he's here on the show
Milotic Video: Milotic could just slap on Hidden Power Psychic and call it a day
Toxicroak Video: Milotic had to sacrifice a precious moveslot for Hidden Power Psychic
I mean that isn't wrong. Every moveslot is precious when it comes to pokemon.
@@ambertwofujiproductions.1593 r/wooooosh
Toxicroak is probably one of my favorite Pokemon of all time so to see it succeeding makes me so happy
Love this series!
How good was Maractus actually?
(I mean this unironicly, it's my favourite Pokemon)
Mine too, lol.
@@chestedarmor5578 Cool.
Unironically used Maractus in Sword, it's wonderful. Maybe not competitively, but I love it.
@@SwerveStarEx I have a shiny version, its the only other shiny I ever got beside my shiny glaceon.
@@SwerveStarEx good to know I am not the only one loviing Maractus.
Bro, it’s literally my favorite pokemon
Croak was one of my favorites in gen 6 OU. I look the gen 5 swords dance set and set up a team around it. It was oh so glorious.
Yesssss this was long overdue
How good was Shiftry actually?
You've done Ludicolo, you HAVE to do his counterpart!
Meh, could have been better but could have been worse.
Rn in today’s meta, I wished that croak had a grass move to hit seismatoad, and that it had better speed as well as close combat
Imagine using hp grass
@@williamhuynh869 HAHAhaha... ha... *cries in SwSh*
If Seismitoad SOMEHOW got to have Power Whip why Toxicroak can't have even Bullet Seed or Seed Bomb?
@@jeremyfaure1888 To be honest getting rid of Hidden power and pursuit probably was a good thing. There should have been more checks to ghosts types though.
Idk he looks like he should be able to learn grass knot
I still remember running NP Croak as a rain check and Sub/Punch/Taunt croak as a stallbreaker in DPPt UU. That was so much fun.
Hell yeah my boi TOXICROAK! I loved him on my Rain team.
At this time of year, everyone has dry skin.
And soon enough, there will be rain to heal in.
Because how often do you see a Pokémon be carried by its ability?
Shedinja, Politoed, Ninetails, Tapu Koko, Magnezone, Greninja Protean or Ash, Cinderace once Libero is released, etc.
@@Hnui03 Shedinja never became high tier tho. It can be destroyed easily.
Jason Sharpless How is Koko carried by its ability?
Here are some others: Serperior, Ditto, Abomasnow, Dugtrio
Mimikyu, Pelipper, Tyranitar, Dugtrio, Mega Kangaskhan, all the tapus and most UBs, Clefable, Blaziken, Aegislash, a lot of prankster mons, Azumarill, Diggersby, etc
Rarest How is Ttar carried by Sand Stream? Even without it, it’s still really good (although I guess it wouldn’t be as sturdy of a check to various opponents like Gengar).
"Call an ambulance! Call an ambulance! 😰"
*rains a bit*
"But not for me! 😤"
So glad my frog boi finally got a video.
Greninja: who are you
Toxicroak: me?
When you are the only fighting type that liked the inclusion of fairies.
*laughs in lucario*
0:58 When you hear the right pronunciation of plethora
I really rate that ad with Skillshare, I got fully baited into watching it and I am lost for words.
Oh yes, FINALLY! Potentially my favorite Pokémon
Give it a Mega and let it Destroy All of the _fairies_ and 1/4 of the Psychics
In my nuzlocke of Pokémon pearl, Saturn’s Toxicroak killed my Blissey using revenge
Blissey didn’t attack it first.
F
I subscribed to this channel hoping one day you did Toxicroak. Now I can die happy
actual favorite pokerman. not surprised it took this long