Why I Quit Tower of Fantasy After 500 Hours
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ค. 2024
- I had a feeling this day would come, I just didn't want it to.
"Decisive Battle" 8-bit cover by @StudioMegaane • Decisive Battle/新世紀エヴァ...
0:00 An Apology And Confession
0:37 The Evangelion Collab
3:28 The Game Costs Too Much
6:46 The Future (?) of Tower of Fantasy
7:41 End Credits
#tof #toweroffantasy #toweroffantasyglobal - เกม
![[柴犬ASMR]曼玉Manyu&小白Bai 毛发护理Spa asmr](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0TsXQ7z2Dh4/mqdefault.jpg)
![[TH] 2024 PMSL SEA W3D3 | Summer | ถ้าไม่ถอดใจ อะไรก็เป็นไปได้](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XNYhoNHaKvE/mqdefault.jpg)
The reason why the main cast in the EVA collab was missing voice-acting was due to a bug (go figure, the publisher is incompetent). Also Asuka, Rei, and Shinji don't have voice acting due to the EVA IP holder saying they can't have original voice acting for the collab, not due to a lack of money. It's like this for every EVA collab apparently.
All of the points in the video are valid though
Really, that's an interesting stipulation, most companies usually just have their team look over the script if they're gonna do a collab.
They didnt have the copyright to use the main eva characters thats why no Voice acting
What sets Hoyo Gotcha games apart from others is that Hoyo games are the only ones whose 4-star characters are not trash. In ToF, all four stars are trash and have no reason to be there. But like in Genshin, even a 4-star can compete in terms of DPS with a 5-star character or often become more important than a 5-star character. The 5-star character can use a 4-star- or even a 3-star weapon and still become viable. It's sad because I was really hopeful for TOF, but it's so sad with its state now.
The potential for this game is so hugeeee... even if we coping it is not Genshin competitor but we could agree if it was done right this would have been extraordinary mobile game setting apart from WUWA and Genshin. HE IS HIM
I wholeheartedly agree.. they were definitely cooking something up with this game
And I really enjoyed myself playing with other players in my crew
My jaw dropped when you said A6 Lyn lasted six months. I played up until right before 2.0, everyone was hyping up Lyn as the greatest unit ever, an evergreen investment, the face of the meta. I'd resolved to skip her because I was a dedicated tank main. Also hearing that DPS is all that matters is pretty disappointing, the only reason why I loved ToF in the first place was BECAUSE it had the holy trinity of roles and I love playing tanks in MMOs. This game had such potential. Another reason I quit before 2.0 was finding out that Marc wasn't coming to global. I'm still salty
Max DPS only matters in rank up solo Bygone phantasm and coop Frontier Clash Evolved, every other coop content also need healers and tanks. Even the last 4 raids (Zhuyan, Taotie, Xingtian, Ying Zhao) for challenging, most of team roles as tanks because the core gameplay there is shield shattering, survivability and team coordination mechanics.
Also, all limited tank weapons (Lan, Huang, Asuka) are strong, they do high dmg, bring survivability and other utilities.
Unfortunately, Marc wont be released in Global.
I think the power creep hurts this game even more than a standard gacha game, being that its a multiplayer MMO. MMOs are meant to be grinded for long periods and to reward players for that time spent. This is the exact opposite for TOF. Someone could outpace a two year old account in 5 seconds by simply buying the A6 version of the most recent dps and their matrices.
Aaand that gut punch at the end playing Shymie's song, "Meant To Be." I'm not crying, you're crying! xD But seriously, good job toasting ToF, and, more importantly, thanks for the farewell video. I've played this game and watched so many ToF CC videos since last year, and I can count on one hand the CCs who had enough respect for their loyal viewers and subscribers to say goodbye as well as you have, if at all. Right, @KyriosYuudai? lol Just upped and switched to Hoyo without so much a peep, the lug. You, on the other hand, didn't leave us hanging. Thumbs up for Harambe-I mean Codename VERMILION.
Anyhoo, I'll still be a subscriber, still awaiting "The Game" you would heartily recommend as you promised ;)
I personally don't see the reboot ending well.
So many people want powercreep to disappear though, which I find curious tbh, because reboot is supposed to be for people who doesn't want powercreep.
Genshin is doing a good job for powercreep and scaling, but I don't think the same thing can be said for HSR, because the last 3 versions has been a lot of powercreep, it feels like you gotta pull a lot of the newer units. Aventurine just completely blows Gepard out of water, I know it's because he's limited banner and we had Fu Xuan but even him feels so stronger...
The next version will be wild, because in addition to Ruan Mei, who focuses on breaking enemies, we have Harmony MC who relies on allies continuously attack to repeatedly inflict Weakness Break. Add Boothill, and it will probably be the team with highest numbers for a while.
I understand it is because of synergy, but it feels so inflated and it's kinda ToF level...
@@chiarasuper Wasn't global suppose to be more balanced and less power creep? Yes people want to see it, but can they do it is the question.
I don't get the other games as this was my first gacha. And the game I do play really worries about power creep. So much so they want to change monster stats to make more weapons viable.(depends on what players say though)
And the reasons I don't see it ending well.
1) Spreading out the already thin player base.
2) Making vets choose to either stay in Global or go spend even more money in the re-boot. (Could play both but that could get pricey)
3) The ability to balance properly.
4) The ability to bring out actual challenging content instead of just increases in hp/damage.
Like don't get me wrong, would love to see the game do well. But from what I played on Global.. Don't really have faith honestly :S.
I really feel Global should be getting the love but I also understand the spenders that don't want their weapons devalued. Rough spot to be in honestly. If they do the re-boot they get accused of just wanting to get more money. They probably do, but I do know if they were to nerf Global. That wouldn't end well either, likely.
@@chiarasuper Yes, aventurine is strong but you can still solo sustain MoC 12 with cheaper options (Geppy, Gallagher, Lynx, March 7th, heck even FTB in some cases). Yes, Boothill will go crazy with break supports, but people will still destroy the same content with Seele (a 1.0 character). The shiny new toys are good in HSR but they dont make the old ones obsolete.
I said it once and I'll say it again
"Genshin Killer" dies💀
Voices were fixes the 2nd or 3rd day but unreal that happened. You can only play the story once. And I totally agree they need to take MC out of these FMVs.
The fact this game is not in EOS yet, is what amazes me.
All i hope is that asuka doesnt get powercreeped
Funny how some people still stomach to play this chore.
but isnt all gacha games a chore tho?
500 hours? I'd struggle to get 500 hours in most games. I don't have 500 hours in a lot of games but then again I'm not a hardcore gamer these days.
I dunno power creep has slowed, and at a certain point the 2.0 units do last a while and are going to start hitting the standard banner, reality is the game needs players back
I still play it just doing daily quest.
Many things I don't like in tof
1. Lag
2. Rewards are lacking (daily log in, boss drop, monthly task, contents)
3. Powercreep
4. Content is lacking if your old player who almost finish all exploration
5. The game rewards is decreasing update to update from asperia where you get DC and costume, SSR weapon,matrices from boss drop to vera with no more DC but with gacha machines to domain 9 with nothing rewarding but red nucleus as the only thing useful. Many maps but nothing to do and nothing to hunt cause the drops are trash
if u have lag on pc just put this on Engine.ini for mobile u need root
[SystemSettings]
r.CreateShadersOnLoad=1
r.Streaming.LimitPoolSizeToVRAM=0
r.Streaming.PoolSize=3500
r.Streaming.MaxTempMemoryAllowed=1500
r.RenderTargetPoolMin=1200
r.Streaming.FramesForFullUpdate=2
r.Streaming.Boost=2
r.GTSyncType=1
r.OneFrameThreadLag=1
r.BloomQuality=0
r.MotionBlurQuality=0
s.ForceGCAfterLevelStreamedOut=0
s.ContinuouslyIncrementalGCWhileLevelsPendingPurge=0
s.LevelStreamingComponentsUnregistrationGranularity=10
s.LevelStreamingComponentsRegistrationGranularity=30
r.Streaming.NumStaticComponentsProcessedPerFrame=200
gc.TimeBetweenPurgingPendingKillObjects=200
er just to clarify with the gacha machines, they contain costume, mount with obtainable dc, beauty vouchers, standard pulls, matrices, emotes, dance, and many more
I fully concur with your opinion that the game is excessively costly to engage in. I would argue that it lacks free-to-play friendliness, as all the cosmetics, outfits, and mounts are essentially gacha-based. However, I must disagree on one point - the absence of Eva characters in the in-game VA did not detract from the narrative for me. The game's reward system does not provide the same level of satisfaction as Genshin Impact and Star Rail. Nevertheless, Tower of Fantasy still manages to offer unique features that set it apart. For instance, in the EVA big escape fight, the characters were actively engaged in combat, and the impact could be seen across the entire map. This kind of large-scale collaboration is unparalleled in other gacha games. The anti-gravity rail introduced in version 3.6 was particularly impressive to me. In comparison, the storytelling in Genshin Impact and Star Rail tends to be filled with repetitive dialogues that consume a significant amount of time. The reason I prefer playing Tower of Fantasy over other games is its ability to keep things fresh and exciting. While Genshin Impact may be more polished, the immersive experience offered by Mirroira is unmatched, despite its power creep and less rewarding nature. Genshin Impact is known for its rich, story-driven gameplay; however, the excessive use of lengthy dialogues and cutscenes can be off-putting. Moreover, the time-limited events fail to offer a truly engaging experience, with 'Wuthering Waves' being a prime example of mediocrity. Although I firmly believe that Tower of Fantasy is a superior choice for me, I refrain from imposing my views on others. Each player has their own preferences and emotional connections to their games, making it essential to engage in respectful discussions about gaming choices.
r'amen bro
Eh, i mean genshin still does that speechless dialogue a lot with their characters, their recent event and new map is a good example. But for me its the power creep, my characters constantly feel like they're always becoming irrelevant the moment a new character of a similar element comes out . I used to run A6 lin that girl with the fire umbrella and ruby and i was extremely comfortable with it until the 2nd altered element character came out .
Great to hear a shout out to deep rock galactic.
They spend more time creating gacha outfits than fixing bugs. Even the 4.0 update will bring a $100 vehicle gacha and $10-$100 vehicle skins for it.
i do agree that powercreep is still a thing, even with the double element characters that has been release recently, the second element are just gimmick while the characters main element is still the best, i don't know why they didn't do anything about powercreep, what so hard to just create new characters that aren't powerful but still useful?
and also about play time, yap its really time consuming, they keep making content like chores while new player/comeback player are sit on the corner, every new event are just for veteran making it locked behind story or even lock behind map, imagine new player playing it, can't even clear the event. . .
Free to Play is the way to go with most of these games. I spend 10 minutes a day on dailies and I was able to get both of the collab characters. I'm not worried about maxing with these games admittedly but I can get something cool once in a while to play with.
Yes! They need to rebalance EVERYTHING and keep the older weapons 100% viable.
tbf they are viable, they're just not meta anymore. You CAN use them to clear most content, it may take more time than with a full meta team but still, you can do it if your gear's good and your comp has synergy.
But if you meant you wanna clear the higher floors on BR Bygone Phantasm, top charts, carry OoW and FC Evolution with 2.0 weapons, then that's just ridiculous. What incentive would there be to get the newer weapons if you could do everything with the ones from like, a year ago? It's a gacha mmo at the end of the day.
And by the way, wanna know just how viable older weapons are, when your equipment's good enough? I've paired A6 NanYin and A1 Brevey with A6 Tsubasa, A6 Claudia, A6 Zero and A3 Lin for BR Sequential Phantasms. With those teams, respectively, I've cleared Frost 8, Physical 7, Flame 5 (yeah, I did it on Benediction resonance lol) and Altered 4 (max floor). Literally every one of those teams has an old ass weapon on it, yet they were still helpful in clearing content. You just gotta get creative with it. You clearly won't compete with the full meta whales dmg-wise, but you can still clear most content by yourself.
@@_danicaliforniathe incentive would and should be “get creative”. Allow people to pull *if* they want to pull to create any unique team composition. The current meta is based on forced pulls to be competitive. If every character was 100% viable then people would be pulling because they either like the character’s design, skills or making team composition. It should be as simple as that.
@@cutejustice that's just not how MMO works, tho. The fact that it's open world and you see other players makes it competitive by nature, so if every team was viable and had significant dmg what'd be the point of getting the new weapon, aside from "I like the way it looks" (which is pretty irrelevant in MMO, since you should be way more focused on dmg over aesthetics)? If you could do with, idk, Fenrir, what you can do with Brevey, what incentive would there be to actually pull for her? You'd just A6 3 characters with their respective R3 matrices (over multiple reruns) and call it a day.
Again, older weapons ARE viable, they're just not meta anymore. You CAN use them in your teams, but ofc its dmg will not be near meta comps.
This game is by no means perfect, and you could make a case that free resources are too scarse for the amount needed to pull, sure. But what you're presenting is something that goes against MMO logic, especially a Gacha MMO.
When I had a PS4 trying to play TOF, it kept kicking me out of the game and then my whole system shutdown & restarted.
NOW
I have a PS5. I'm overwhelmed with everything to do. So many beautiful worlds to explore. 5/24/2024 Main Story DONE.
I love this game & highly addictive.
you're A6 lean lasted 6 months? bruhh my A6 rubilia lasted for 2 months, F
an age comes to a close o7
if you're still interested in reviewing/talking about gacha games, you could check out Persona 5 X once it launches globally (this is not my persona obsession speaking wdym)
Dude, I remember playing ToF (back then when Vera was released) and always feeling mid compared to my guild because my luck sucked a## (The only time I won a 50/50 was Ruby) so I had to kept using standard characters (C5-6 btw) and being one of the weakest in the guild. I ended up quitting since my main (Crow) was pretty much useless compared to big S (Samir) and not having Nemesis made it worse. Even using a fire team with Ruby, King and Cocorritter, I just wasn't good enough. Like how is it that finally, I got the latest character (ruby) and not even 2 months later I was useless again because new OP character came around.
(Side note: Been playing genshin for 3 years and I can still clear abyss with my very first triple crowned character: Yanfei)
You are playing the game wrong, I stopped pulling since Yu Lan and I am pairing her with 2.0 weapons and I have yet to reach a point where I feel weak.
Whales still top my damage 10 times... like at launch
And I still get very often mvp when doing instances or world bosses.
I'd say skill issue tbh.
"Been playing genshin for 3 years and I can still clear abyss with my very first triple crowned character: Yanfei"
Powercreep is an issue with tof, but clearing content is easy regardless of your weapon as long as you're geared (equipment) properly. If you are having issues clearing the weekly raids/ JO/VR/FCH, then that's skill issue..You can even clear early stages of OOW and VA..If you are trying to compete with the ranking, then that's a different story.
I was really struggling with that big spider boss. This thing's attacks are literally impossible to dodge, and this thing really belongs to any of the souls games!
I am the opposite. I went from Genshin to TOF for 1 reason is that I invested to coop viable unit because I had fun during version 1 and suddenly they stop releasing such event (the boss rush/hypostasis). They eventually rerun them but not like before and it took 2 years where my friends are already left the game for gameplay being repetitive. HSR even has better qol and end game for a 1 year game than Genshin fr.
So here I am in TOF, the major problem is the powercreep. Even matrices get to increase each rotation like why not just make the initial effect as standard values for all so it can be reused. I also get A6 Lin and 3s Matrices knowing that it will save Flame but turns out to be the worst one effect of all the element it buffs in global.
Why I cant quit TOF yet because I have someone to play with (and yes we are Genshin players and still playing but we cant do the same coop here from there).
In my opinion, this game doesn't require spending quite a lot of money to complete some of the content contained in it, as a free to play player I can survive until now. I got the SEA regional TOP Tanker title as a free to play player
The game doesn't actually require any spending, nor does Genshin Impact. You can completed both games with just in game rewards. It is that people keep getting messages from other people making them feel like they need to keep up with the meta or do the best damage to be acceptable. Because both games are largely designed around the single player experience even TOF, so basically, people are only competing against themselves. So there is no reason why someone would need to roll on any banner unless it was due to their own personal goals or aims or more realistically per pressure.
I disagree with you in terms of the collab.
The story is actually great, and the developers managed to swing it to the game's lore.
This is just a "collab" meaning to say, the game will just try inherit some of the features of the selected anime.
There are only "selected" aspects that can be put into use.
There are license limitations in terms of what TOF can do.
You can't blame TOF if the original creator doesn't allow it.
(YES, this includes the licensing for voice actors, and there's a lot that they didn't allow ToF to do, some scenes removed etc.).
To be fair, I agree with you about weapon power creep but that's all.
Comparing it with other games though is a bit absurd, these games does not belong to the same genre,
different developers, different target market, different game strategy and different game engine.
and it's sad to hear from gamers that they should have used their time and resources on playing other games instead etc. etc.
You sound as if the game didn't give you entertainment during the time you are still enjoying it.
I personally think that NIKKE of all things did better with their Nier collab. They integrated a lot of Nier's aesthetics into the UI and overall design for the event much more thoroughly and the writing for the story quest leaned far more heavily into the themes of Nier's story. ToF's Eva collab didn't really touch on any of the themes that Evangelion typically explores, nor did it really focus much on character interactions beyond Shirli's brief speculation that the Eva pilots are going through something similar to Zeke.
While I did enjoy my time with ToF, the main point I was trying to get across in this video is that for me, I had to choose between keeping up with ToF or using the time/money I would sink into it on expanding to other games. I don't regret the time I put into ToF, I just can't justify continuing with it.
@@CDVermilion sorry to bother you, what's the song at 6:00 ?
@@billydale1456 Vera desert night theme
Ironically I don't play ggame because my characters are too overpowered. I can come back 6mo or 1 year later and still face roll content. I can oneshot stuff for about an hour before I'm like, "This is useless." I have nothing to play for. I don't even need any of the new weapons or characters because my Raiden comp is just tooooo op and I built it two years ago. I got furina cuz it was complementary and then never played again. I'm literally just waiting to buy the grass fairy girl then I'm done done because I've managed to miss her banner multiple times.
well g-game is solo gacha game... tof is mmo
You know, that’s a good point. That’s a really good point. But, how is it that other MMORPGs are doing well while ToF struggles? Even Albion Online is doing fantastic. Are you going to say because they don’t have gacha? If that’s the case then there no reason to not compare ToF with Genshin since they are both gacha. And at the same time, with ToF being a MMORPG, would it be ok if it is compared to other MMORPGs out there? Like WoW, FF14, Guild Wars 2, OSRS, Albion Online, and more. What is it that they are doing that ToF is not? Face it, ToF is terrible at everything at it was made to do. And there are still people who still think ToF is fine. There are also a vast amount of people who are planning to quit ToF after Wuthering Waves release.
@@rambii. it cant be compared since its the only mmo gacha currently, ad no one would be foolish enough to do one more mmo- gacha, and its not terrible at everything.. that's just your unqualified opinion, ToF just satisfies some people gacha with mmo experience.. why cant you live with it? why are you spending time in comment section of ToF related content? what does that speak about you? suuuure, well agree with you that those that enjoy mmo will last in a solo game like wuthering waves, they play tof because it has mmo aspects combined gacha, regardless of all the flaws. LIVE WITH IT.
the eva colab wasn't bad at all imo, you could get tones of free stuff like cosmetics and penpen also asuka and rei (who didn't have voice lines due to copyright) are both extremely fun to play. Although i am really disappointed with the lack of voice lines of normal characters. also tof has had a problem with cutscenes that include a custom character glitching or lagging so they bit the bullet and made it the default mc.
Separately the thing with comparing tof to hoyo games in terms of power creep is that for example genshin barley produces any good characters in the name of keeping the balanced (3.0 had alot of this), and with a guarantee of 180 pulls which requires months of grinding why pull new characters that could be bad when you could pull old ones or just the archons as they will always be meta. With tof there are 2 guarantees for characters, after 2 losses and after 120 pulls. i pulled for shenhe a while back and couldn't pull for ayaka as i lost 2 months of saving so shenhe is useless to me until i can find 180 pulls for whenever ayaka has a rerun baring in mind that i would try to pull for other characters in that time.
overall the power creep is bad but not as bad as people make it out to be Fiona is still one of the most powerful characters in the game as she's immune to greybite and is a healer. Also you can make teams with practically any character that isn't on the standard banner apart from a few. people do over exaggerate the flaws of tof which ngl are very common in games like it. The meta lasts 6 months but you really dont need the meta, a new character might replace an ilder character but it doesnt mean that that older character is suddenly useless unless they were useless at the beginning. But whatever tof bad because reasons i guess.
Exactly you can clear 90% of all content with worst team in the game.
Yea I notice the power creep of dps path and how tanks are useless and picked to be healer becuase I never face this two side effects. I am not stubid to pay for somthing useless in near future this game even global didnt prevent the power creep when they tryed in the beginning. But eventually, they are forced to go for super power creepnsame as cn which dissapoint everybody even whales.
Dude love ur content. I was trying to get a game like Genshin but without the microtransaction bs and I found one called Scarlet Nexus, idk if you have heard of that one.
Scarlet Nexus has been on my radar for a while, as I make it through the backlog of video ideas I'll be covering it at some point.
What's the game at 6:38?
Craftopia
powercreep is why i quit despite spending quite alot on it for some a6 units
Bro regained his humanity
The game is generous, but the story is just whatever... they did make some improvements to the game though
I was close to swiping for daily pass quite a few times in this game. Thankfully, I didnt. I’d have regretted spending even $5 on this game.
They indirectly nerfed all the old characters. There is something called armor dissolve which replaces grievous completely thus making your old phys units completely useless.
I also went for A6 Lin plus her 4 piece matrix set, and seeing how A0 Fiona is equal to her in terms of damage almost made me quit back when she was released.
I deeply regret.
I want the game to improve not to die 😢There is just no other game like it out there. As in an anime (true)MMO RPG combining dynamic combat and movement, character creation and customization, interesting open worlds and great OST. These were and still is the main features that keeps me playing.
If your f2p, yes you wont be on the leaderboard, If your new p2w u wont be either cause grind over time matters too. But if your in it just for the exploration, the vibes and the gameplay for different weapons, go for it. Every SSR weapons will eventually be in the standard pool (until EoS that is).
And game gives enough ressources to buy 1 or 2 copy for limitted banner weapons. Not every banners though, only every 3rd/4rth banner, one of the reasons why its so important to main only one element for synergie.
But if you want to be able to compete then ToF and Gachas in general are not for you.
Oh no... I don't want to relive another firefall...
I've been looking for reviews for this game to see if it is worth even investing a couple of hours of my time. Dude you invested 500 hours in it!, I think it is safe to say that this game is definitely worth a try. What game in this world gives you 500 hours of anything?. Freaking Final Fantasy Rebirth is around 100 hours worth of content. I don't understand how someone can make a video complaining and making a huge drama out of quitting a game they played for 500 freaking hours!!.
My question would be. Out of those 500 hours, what % of that was legit fun?. Leaving memes and jokes aside, I don't think someone can genuinely play a bad game and be miserable for 500 hours, a good % of that time had to be good if not most of it.
That... depends, I guess. I certainly enjoyed my time with ToF, but there was a fair amount of that that was slogging through dailies and the abysmal time-limited minigames they force you to play if you want good rewards. I was satisfied with the time/money I spent back when it was something I could play with friends, but now that they've left the game I can no longer consider it a "social cost", if that makes any sense.
Keep in mind that while I did get a lot of play hours out of ToF, if I were to get back into it fully it'd no longer be an enjoyable experience due to everything on my account being outmoded by power creep. I'd have to pull for a bunch of new characters and constantly be playing catchup with gear progression. Meanwhile, FF Rebirth will be enjoyable for years to come since it's a single player experience that can be replayed decades down the line, and also has the possibility of mods adding more replay value. Of course, comparing a single player game to a MMO is a bit strange in that regard, but I hope you get my point here.
Rookie numbers by live service games standarts. Ever heard of Warframe, PoE, Destiny 2 and how many time they take? Not talking about other gachas...
Yep, I definitely don't have over 3000 hours logged into Warframe...
Time for you to play Wuthering Waves
I still play tof because i dont have time to invest for a new game. It just became one of my daily routine, doing dailies and weeklies. Maybe i'll keep playing until eos, which many people are waiting for since last year, lol.
Why can't Evangalion collab with Star Rail 😭. Luocha and Nagisa even have the same VA.
Regardless, powercreep isn't too bad in Genshin but that's because the big 4 (XQ, XL, Benny, and Fischl) are just perpetual gatekeepers until the end of time. Also their reluctance to directly change a character like Dehya or Arlan (from HSR) means they will never ever be even remotely viable. No amount of indirect buffing with new characters will make them good; their kits are just too dogshit. Especially with how astronomically stronger characters like Bennett is compared to Dehya or Jingliu and Acheron is compared to any other HSR dps.
Dendro reactions are more important that those 4 to handle power creep - there is basically nothing in the game you can't beat using some cheaply made hyperbloom party with just base EM stats on artifacts and kuki as a trigger. Although you could say that XQ is one of the easiest 4* character to build such a team - you can still do it without him (on one of my accounts i for a while was using Barbara)
If Arlan is like Qiqi tier yeah he can't be save. But Genshin has prove that like Furina exist which can revive old characters like Jean viability or even Xianyun revived Diluc viability especially those who have him C6. Finger crossed Aventurine gonna revive Yanqing at least.
Isn't a Black Swan and Kafka team comparable to Jingliu/DHIL comps? Like, their DoT potential is absurd.
Also, before you mention that those are 2 5*, the best comps from those hypercarries usually need other 5* units.
But about Acheron, is she really THAT strong? Like, I know her dmg during her ult is ludicrous but, is it common for it to do over 300k, or a big amount like that, every time it is used? Haven't seen that many showcases.
@@yaelitamarverdugoayala4782 the thing about Jingliu and Dan Heng IL they strong against whatever enemies and elements.
So, by that definition yeah Kafka - Black Swan just as strong.
And so is Acheron, because she also doesn't care whatever enemies and elements.
i have 4000 hours play and never quit with 5 account LoL
The reason there is no powercreep in genshin is because there is no playable content lol.
As for ToF, unfortunately your case is similar to that of many people, expect Lin A6 to do everything, the case for this game is that there is a balance between the weapons, Lin was a buffer weapon, you needed strong dps that will take advantage of it Even now, buffer weapons like Claudia have their use with Asuka, another point of this game is also to have good gameplay, unlike GI, where you can make mistakes in the rotation and many other things, but nothing will happen, since the the game does not display your damage, nor is there any difficulty that warrants it. On the other hand, in ToF, failing or delaying a rotation drastically reduces your dps and this obviously makes your investment feel much more obsolete.
In short, ToF is probably the only gacha in which it matters to know how to play to get the most out of your investment.
Bro well said, cant beleive im gonna saw random who understand it on micro level calculation.
Lol no, its because it's not pay two win.
Power creep in gacha is pure p2w mechanic.
The reason I quit ToF is because of how buggy the game is, and the dev team simply ignored the issues. They didn't even fix them after a year when I came back and quit again.
No powercreep in the hoyoverse? Acheron anyone? She blows all other dpses out of the water by miles. Do you know some dude named Neuvilette? Only the best water dps in gi...
I think its a wrong mindset if you wanna be competitive in a gacha game, cause then you have to spend hundreds of $ a month. Just have fun with what trash the game gives you and if thats not enough, change the game.
I lost 7 out of 9 50/50 in hsr and at the moment I think I will quit. Luck is a bitch sometimes and there are so many games out there.
So I dig your reference to drg...
Tof will take a death dive once ww comes out but until that point I will play the gacha-titanic...happy sinking :)
the powercreep in hoyoverse is minimal at best and every other character before them are still used lol go check the stats on MoC12
I understand with Hsr , but in GI Neuvilette just one option, other Hydro units still in play Yelan,Furina,Kokomi, etc
I never said that Hoyo doesn't have power creep. I said they were good at managing it. Neuvilette may be powerful but you don't need him to 36-star the Abyss. Acheron is powerful but restrictive in what team comps you can use her in and also once again, not required to clear endgame content. Contrast this with ToF, which literally has no place for characters once they drop out of being top 3 in their element/role.
@@CDVermilion I beg to differ; in what endgame content of tof do you NEED a c6 asuka with full matrizes? You can have a lot of fun with coco/zero/lyra and these chars are over a year old (two of them are beginner chars). And if you can`t feel the powercreep in hsr then you are a spender. For pure fiction lvl 4 and moc 12 you NEED the latest meta chars or op artifacts.
But at the end it doesn`t matter anything.
What game you will cover next? ww?
@@CDVermilion but same in tof everything is izi they give u buffs or nerf content after u actually dont need anything new if u want to play it as genshin
The game is still amazing after 1000+hours and im not spend lot money in this game. These days you dont need more than a0 or a1 to be good cause new simu are alrdy rly powerful. There is lot of ppl playing these days and the game is alive rly good.
Many players just guit because they cant handle bigger changes 😂 and those always come any online games what hav future.
@@maittiankka5576 Wuthering Waves is coming today and its gonna KILL Tower of Fantasy! 😎
Isn’t the characters in this game just skins or are they their own characters?
I mean yeah, the character model itself is just a skin in ToF. When you pull for a character you get both the character skin as well as the weapon, and from there you can choose to use that skin, another character's skin, or just your own custom character. When you're building your comp you equip weapons, not characters, so the skin doesn't really matter.
The thing that killed the game for me was the mediocre UI and god awful controls on PS5.
Just like DCUO, Tof is just a, you must buy more and more to keep playing. It's sad. I left the game about a year ago once they said they making a whole new server for tof. So all the money I spent was just a slap in the face. I will never play that game again even if they decide to change. Which they won't
I also quit Tower of fantasy after playing for at least 300+ hours but I’m definitely going to miss the music, the characters, and especially the combat. It’s just the stupid gacha system and the power creep that completely ruined the game for me. A requirement to have an A1 character/weapon for it to work shouldn’t be possible….
The moment they nerfed and fix crow bug dmg to f2p to make whales crying feel better i know the game will doom to fail. Especially removing servers to merge btw( actually shutting down) and with reboot making this game mid at best. Genshin way better hope Wuthering Waves is not P2W like this to actually playable and hope community is not worse than genshin because genshin haters might be worse community than BNHA community 2.0
I agree with alot of the stuff u mentioned. For me personally power creep isn't too much an issue since I don't try to min max stuff (like I skipped hi damage character s just cuz they felt not fun to play). Aside from that the story issues and even the new server issues I agree with.
Yeah still enjoying it cuz 1 I ain’t no whale I can just uninstall this game whenever I want it too and just play other games. 2. I never spend a single dime to it. Even tho I like this game. 3. You can still have fun with this game, no need to be dominant or waste hefty amount of money to have fun. you just need to play and explore appreciate the visuals the surroundings and all. cuz eventually you’ll quit this game and explore a much more relevant things in life. Games should be fun… BTW, at least less time watching you crying about why the game sucks more time for the real players to play this game. And by real players I mean skilled players that doesn’t rely on money to be powerful
If you're not gonna whale, why are you complaining about power creeping? Unless you're going for leaderboards, power creeping doesn't matter at all in this game. I'm a day 1 player and I don't pull copies at all for any character and I just collect. But look at me, I can do high tier content easily and solo Frontier Clash Hard. Anyone can do it too. Power creep is an issue, I agree but this game incentivizes you to pull for characters and feel REWARDED for pulling for characters and use it.
Every single patch, every single new weapon that I obtain it's a different type of gameplay and makes it easy to catch up because even at low to no investment just the bare minimum of obtain the character even without their matrices, they will be viable for the long run. Power creeping in this game IS f2p friendly because I'm an f2p myself. You're not asked to invest a lot, you're not asked to invest everything. Just get the character and you'll perform well.
The mindset of "If I'm not the best then I'm nothing" in gacha game is ridiculous.
Before you say that you need whales to carry you in end game content then that's just pure lies. Joint Ops 8 is difficult and is definitely possible solo. Joint Ops Balanced maxes out everyone's weapon and equalizes everyone's power to be the same. No one is gonna carry you in JOB, not even whales. Frontier Clash Hard is not that hard, it's doable solo. Void Rift is definitely doable solo because of how much buffs you get. Void Rift Abyssal is one of the extremely incredibly late endgame but four f2p players can do it. End of the day it's an MMO and you need people to play with. Origin of War is probably the only content where I can agree with you where whales can carry you since it's incredibly end game content. But Origin of War is not that rewarding and it's mostly there to limit test your team composition and try to see how far you can go.
Comparing powercreeping to Hoyo's games, specifically Genshin Impact is ridiculous considering not a single content in Genshin Impact can be considered "hard." Trust me, I played the game enough to know that you only need Bennett and then another support like Zhongli or Kazuha and then fill the rest with literally anyone and you can clear any content.
See Honkai Star Rail for example. Acheron came out and literally blew every other character in the game and it's controversial and very much noticeable because HSR's content is hard in high level. It's the same with ToF. ToF's content is ridiculously hard so power creeping is far more noticeable.
Mihoyo doesn't handle power creeping "well" Acheron, Sparkle, IL Dan Heng, Jingliu and the entirety of Star Rail proves that. Genshin doesn't feel like there's power creep because there's not enough content that is really hard.
Evangelion collab is incredibly scuffed and I feel like they held back on the weapons because Domain 9 weapons are leagues beyond Evangelion weapons. It did somewhat suck.
Overall I'm sad to hear about your experience of the game but I heavily disagree with lots of the things that were said here.
Disagree about hard content in Star Rail, it is very simple. There was a direct spike of difficulty with releases of Swarm and 11-12 Abyss, but even these new gamemodes don't cause any trouble.
of the best posts I seen on ToF. It's so true too my 1 month new character with $0 spent was able to Solo up to VA6 with Plotti A1, some characters are just better at soloing than others, an things like VA, VR, are cheesable and FCH also easy too once you get decent gears which new players have many many free gift menus and missions that older accounts cannot see
They give you a lot of cosmetic tho and pretty skin too not just pen pen aside many pulls too
i got back because of eva, got 2 asukas, played a lot, got bored, watched your video and realized its not worth to keep playing, thanks for saving me and my time
yeah i hear bro i spent alot money and time on a mobile game roughly 40k decide to quit but other people spend way more, the fat whales who spends 100k or 160k USD its not 1% fat whales more like 30% fat whales. I was a mid tier spender to be compared if want to know what kind mobile game it is, its called Lord Mobile.....now alot game developers doing alot collabs and gotcha to be the top tier in the game and stay up to date and alot people spend alot best quit while ahead lol.
You don't feel the power creep in genshin because there's no content that shows you the power creep in that game, there's no damage numbers, no rankings etc. You can complete all content in ToF as a F2P, I'm a F2P since day one and havent had much issue with any content. You can build a team without issue since the game gives you enough pulls, you dont need to max out any character. OOW difficulty reduces over time, so the whales can tryhard for leaderboard rankings while F2Ps can get their rewards too.
Genshin is a good game but once you're able to finish the abyss there's not much to work towards, the story is enjoyable but then that's that. I enjoy Genshins story but once it's done it takes a good amount of time for new story to come out which is basically the only content the game offers. I think both games are good in their own ways and comparisons of power creep like this are unfair.
I feel everything in this video. I'm a waifu chaser but hot models can't save this game. Just killing time until Wuthering comes out.
:(
I think people play these kind of games with the wrong mindset. Who said you need the best characters/weapons to play the story, open world and events? pvp? If there is no e-sport to give money and prizes, who cares? Grind/farm? You don't need to do these all the time in ToF. These gacha games will always have power creep problem because they need to make money.
The problem is that if you want to do more than just the main story/open world exploration, you gotta rely on whales to carry you, which isn't any fun. I want to contribute to raids and OOW, but if you're not a whale you get pigeonholed into being a healer, which once again just loops back to having to be carried by whales.
i gave it up to for a lot of the same reasons but I also couldn't stand how crappy the storyline was I'm someone who loves gameplay but I also love storylines a lot of it helps me get more attached to my characters listening to them almost sounded like an AI so I wasn't all that thrilled😓😢😭 so I'd rather just stick to genshin impact and star rail not only the stories Good the character details are awesome and the characteristics of them are really cool I'm always on the edge of my seat with the new updates they never disappoint me !!!
500hours is basically 21 days? I really dont care if a person is busy, have famies ,have other priorities, need to touch some grass, but 500hours is nonsense reason to give relevant opinion that obviously it makes irrelevant already, i swear why do most people think 500hours is base rule to determined wether the game is good or not especially if the game content is bigger than other gacha game, yes some of your opinion about game is absolutely correcr but if ur saying that from your 500hours perspective, your opinion feels like a copy paste of other legit opinion.
I found your core problem, "if you can't max them out, whats the point?". Day one player with close to 3500 hrs here.
Started an alt for the collab and to see the new player experience, which is a dogs breakfast, but still fun. I had 350 pulls saved for Rei and pulled A5+A0 chips. Slow burn pulling one final copy for her meow.
As for the main I have every banner skin in the game. My prio is to just do 110 pulls on each and move on as 110 pulls equates to 120 flame gold and enough to buy a copy of the banner. If I go for the occasional chip set then only a C0 set. This has allowed me to cycle through any element I feel like playing.
That said, the banners are just the sauce in your samich. The rest of your gear plays a massive role and should be your primary focus. Via titan gear I've built a reasonably powerful rainbow set that has Frost, Volt and Fire on every piece. Due to dual element banners now the set covers Phys by defacto.
The cost of all that? One max Tanium top up, BP and monthly pass (each month).
Your first statement implies that you don't need to max out characters, and then you went and completely sabotaged that by proving the opposite with your alt account and talking about maxing out Rei. Yeah, sure, you might get enough premium currency as a new player to max out the current character, but what about the next banner? Or the one after that? And who's to say how long that maxed out character will even remain relevant for? Lin was supposed to be the F2P/low spender savior, only for her to be ousted by Fiona 4 patches later.
Honestly, pulling 1 copy of each character in ToF is a massive waste, you're better off sticking to one element and maxing out whichever one is newest.
Gear progression is both heavily time-gated and completely bypassable with spending money - which means that a free player will never be able to surpass a whale.
Max Tanium top up + BP/Monthly pass for 1.5 yrs ~= $490. For that money, I got a new RX6800 GPU to upgrade my PC ($400), Helldivers 2 Super Citizen Edition + Cutting Edge Warbond ($60), and Palworld ($30). I have a sneaking suspicion that I'm going to get a lot more mileage out of those purchases than I got from the characters I pulled on my ToF account.
@@CDVermilion oh yea the money to value ratio is bad on most gachas and especially on this one, the powercreep is just too fast and too strong compared to other gacha's like hsr and genshin where even a year later you will find a use for any char even if its powercreped by say Acheron for example
Yeah I just couldn’t justify putting the time into this game anymore, it was clear that they don’t give enough of a shit and I’m praying that MAYBE the 2.0 version will make everything better. When I came across games such as hsr, Snowbreak, nikke and pgr I was met with so much sadness seeing what tof could have been but I was blinded the dopamine rush and now here I am, not played for 2 months and don’t have any plans to return unless I see it has a chance to become what those games are already
Speaking of, if you haven’t gotten pgr then I recommend it
On the contrary, Genshin absence of powercreep makes rolling pointless, no rolling no need to farm primogems no need to do dailies resin or abyss, only story left oops no skip button just watch playlists and uninstall.
You're commenting this as if getting a fully fledged single player game for free isn't a good thing. You engage with the story and stop playing until more is released, what's wrong with that?
bro is happy about being forced to whale i can’t imagine being a ToF fan wow
Imagine playing a game for gameplay and saving money, eh?
What kind of cope take is this 😂 ToF fans are damn delusional 😂
Bro... I don't think you have to spend a lot of money to play this game, I'm a free to play player who can complete a lot of content even if I don't spend money
For those who spend a lot of money just aiming to rank on the leaderboard
I have been playing this game since its release, and I got the title TOP Tanker in the SEA region
While I agree they botched the story for the collab it’s still been lots of fun. BTW you can go for 6 star on every character but it’s a waste of money. Whaling on gacha games is dumb. Both of the collab characters are great at 0-1 star and that seems to be the trend with most new characters. A FTP gamer can get every character 0-1 star without spending a dime or can get a single element to 3-6 star each rotation. I’m FTP and have both a phys and volt teams with 60k + attack in their respective element and top dps in raids and other content with few to none of weapons or matrix being maxed out. This game is extremely FTP friendly so if your opinion it costs to much it means you just have little self control and bad spending habits.
No, the game is not "extremely F2P friendly." If that were the case then older unit would still have their viability, you HAVE to go for newer units otherwise you're dead weight which is one of the many reasons why this game lost it's casual audience. I call extreme amounts of BS on "top dps" of your raids. It's either for reasons being you're playing with players that haven't played long, or you didn't match up with a whale or dolphin account that's a veteran (which is concerning since this would lead to speculation on where did all the whales go?"
@@Azel49 while the older units may not be is strong they are still more than viable in regular game play. That aside you don’t need the older characters because you can easily acquire new characters as a FTP player. You don’t need to max out your characters to enjoy all the content the game has to offer. Unless people want to sit on high leader boards there is zero reason to whale on this game. I’m FTP and talking from actual experience as a FTP player.
To sound like a broken record about how "power creep came way too fast and ruined the game." Yeah it did, it was a huge issue that the developers never addressed nor tried to fix, your character "if you put money into it" lost its relevancy in a matter of months and it really killed any notion on why people should put any money down into the game. I don't understand management behind this game, they asked for CN community feedback, and what they got as to one of the most reoccurring words was "BALANCING". So what does management decide? We'll make a "classic" server for CN. After announcing it, community uproar "or what little is left within the global community" were at odds with the server and some thinking global wouldn't get it and man were they wrong about that. What's great about classic is it dumbs the game down to no elements, and characters all have "balance", but if you're a returning player who thinks you can use the characters or your account in classic by a via transfer, too bad, you gotta restart from scratch. What a great company
You feel the power crept in ToF because its MMO, if Genshin has that ranking system or bygone you would feel the power crept in Genshin whenever they released new character. First of all, star rail and GI isn't MMO in the first place they more like a closed world in a way that there's no competition you can clear the MOC even not 0-1 cycling it because you will still get the reward as long as you clear the stages not being lower than the given cycle limit, same with Genshin abyss you can take longer in abyss as long as you can clear it with the time requirement and get every reward.
ToF is like Honkai Impact 3 you only feel the power crept because there's a ranking for players who clears its faster especially in nirvana. ToF is an F2P can because you can literally clear everything even though you're using old weapons, it will only be a p2w if you're a competent player. I'm f2p player myself and I can still clear/solo WB, Joint Operation, VR, FCH and other contents.
Gateo is running an account f2p xd n hes doing well. Point is u wont have every c6, i pulled asuka 1* with 20 wishes using pity trick. N i got rei 6* which i love :3
yea got Asuka from the free Asuka balls in the mailbox, Genshin could never
@@CatalynaToF dead game played by 5 people 😂
@@justsomeguywithfreesauce4800 nah Genshin is the dead game, it has no online, co-opers cant even help you just steal your resources also you guys dont even know how to play your own game I been using Benette and XQ since launch, you guys took years to catch on.
@@Catalyna 4 likes in 7 mins? The game is so dead that you need to use alts to like your own comment because nobody would 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your experience is entirely relatable.
Furina Mentioned 💙
Sorry bro all valid points but 500 hours aren't remotely close to a lot of time, I think i have like 2000 and I am playing way less than certain whales I know lol
Also powercreep, just don't pull.
I'm rocking a 3.0 main dps and two 2.0 sub dps and I still don't feel weak.
Not planning to roll anytime soon either.
I swear i might understand him if he could play a months cause u need to discover other content which u cnnot do in 500hours, players becomingly weak compare to what real mmo in the past and how a grind game supposed to be, yet weirdly enough their a strong person when expressing their one minded impression about a game in a short time lmao.
You finally made the right choice (haven't watched the video entirely)
This collab reminds me with Evangelion x Dragon Raja. Not really happy with that one. But hey. Whale players will never think and still spend money.
A wise decision
Wuthering waves
wuthering waves will be tof 2.0 you all will jump at it and when you get disappointed, which you will take it from someone who played the cbt, you all will just hate on it for no reason
@@itegsy5464 not gonna happen since its not a mmo but also the devs literally added a lot of the things almost everyone wanted in that game.
Does WuWa have chara creation?
@@InuzakaNazeNo, just the choice between male or female MC.
In regards to outfit customization like TOF, I wouldn't expect it. I'd be pleasantly surprised, but if the option exists, it would probably just be alternate outfits like Punishing: Gray Raven, the devs' previous game.
@@EB_DC awh... that sucks.
So u wanna be top 1 in the ranking with no investment xd
No. The point is that I don't want to be a deadweight in gamemodes like OOW without having to spend hundreds of dollars per banner. In which case, I'd basically just be pigeonholed into being a healer. Whether or not I swap to being a support main, I'd still have to rely on whales to carry me, which just isn't fun.
@@CDVermilion Nooo u are so wrong omg. I just got 700m damg with asuka c1 nan yin c1 her matrices n claudia c6 is in the permanent shiro/samir f2p. Wooo can't believe u are clueless bro. even though im main volt. n just share gear. 700m is such a great dmg n u can carry yourself.
@@CDVermilion OW is a staggered endgame, the difficulty reduces over the days, clearly there comes a point where any player with average damage can do it.
With Nan Yin A1 (4PC)- Asuka A1 (2PC - 2PC Fiona) and Yan Miao A3 (Lyra 4 PC) I can do it with 2 weeks left, and what can I say about VA, I am the main dps from day one.
With all that said and done, I'm gonna play TOF for the first time now .. Since, GenSin is trash, I chose this one instead ~ 😎🍻
First you have i Nice voice and your vidéo is good quality that what its true
My opinion is genshin and other crap you have 100 caractère only hot women,
Go play chorno game on ds and you will feel i true nostalgique and wondeffull game
Its very clear that pepol are dump they got bait bay only graphique
Graphique are not important if you have good game ! Yes yes good game is not only about graphique. Pepol goanna say oh no the game is good so whay pepol are complain in, they shoud not play it from the first they know that the game is gacha they know that its goanna suck their money but every gasha will leave the game they make, pepol keep get upset whay its happen and they never lern from their mistake. They can make good game if they stop steal money pepol of only graphique. I hope you goanna make more new game like lets play
I set it to download before work. Thanks. I will delete it when I get home.
Dude I am using Tsubasa as my main dps. You dont need the new stuff.
DeaD game
ye
WWV coming =D
tof is almost dead
TOF is actually a dead game..
I told you this game sucked.
when did i ever say the game was good lmao
@@CDVermilion Never. But everyone will quit eventually...
Yea this game SUCKS and I know many people will disagree but maaaany people will agree
Its that tof had great potential with the setting the theme story characters the gameplay was really good but the game had way to many problems and not the quality of a bigger studio in the end to fix all its problems so it is a big waste of potential great game maybe they shut this game down and make a real tof 2 and learn from all the mistakes
cant play on mobile because it so lag haha
That’s cool and all but am keep playing 🥱