Hi, sorry for the late reply, yes plating can be done on die cast, if it is zinc based die cast, then you would need a copper strike as well as the other type of copper, and then nickel and your finish of choice. We can be contacted directly ar enquiries@gsplating.co.uk for further information, Many thanks!
Hi I live in the U.S and having some trouble finding the "Ali cue" or "alleycue" solution dont know if thats spelled right the video is not very explicit in this detail. Please advise me on where to buy your products in the U.S.
Hi, sorry for the delay!! AllyCu is available on our site, and we are able to send it to the U.S It can be found here gsplating.co.uk/component/j2store/products/allycu-solution As long as you are applying the nickel by doing full tank plating, and not brush plating, and you have the correct nickel tank setup, then this should make the job all the more straightforward!
Hi Hectoria86, no it is not- there is no such thing as an aluminium plating solution that deposits aluminium. Certain metals just cannot be turned into a depositing aquious solution.
Hi Andriooxsb do you mean that you would like to be able to take the matt finish and plate it so it becomes shiny, or do you mean that you would like to create matt nickel finishes of your own?
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Hey, we particulary need matt finish. We sand blast brass parts before plating and then satin/matt nickel is applied. But our plating supplier is not taking new orders anymore, so our goal is to install a small plating line to our factory.
@@andriooxsb We can certainly help you there! We have a process that can allow you to dial in the amount of matt or shine you want, all in-tank. Please email us at enquiries@gsplating.co.uk and we can produce a specific kit for you based on what you are looking to do.
Hello, I want to coat my aluminum parts with Ni-B. I prefer NaBH4 or DMAB (dimethyl amino borane) as a boron source. In my Ni-DMAB bath, aluminum darkens and peels off within 30 seconds. What path should I follow.
Hi! When you say the aluminium peels off, do you mean it oxidizes and the oxide flakes off, or do you mean that the nickel that you are trying to adhere, peels off? Aluminium should typically be plated in a regular nickel (pure nickel) solution after being zincated. If you are using a certain type of hybrid nickel then I would possibly expect problems going over the zincated surface. As far as I know, boron nickels are for electroless plating. I would not rely on the electroless nickel plating system for covering aluminium from scratch. At best, I would say plate the aluminium in regular nickel as per the video, and then plate over THAT nickel with your boron nickel.
If the copper wire is deoxidised before wrapping (using steel wool) and also, wrapped with enough give so that when the allycu is being put on, the waving motion in the tank allows it to get behind and cover it. Then when it comes to nickel plating, because the wire has been deoxidised, it fully passes on the nickel plate beneath itself. This is the same as when you use our products to electroform plastic items in copper, you do not have to worry about lines being left in the end result, it plates "through" the wire.
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Interesting to know, thank you, I would have never thought about that. I've never plated anything yet but have been researching and studying it to help get more prepared for when I try it soon.
Yellow chromate plating....I assume you are referring to anodise or passavate? If you are, then things like passavate, anodise, all other kinds of finishes and treatments need to be removed before you can start plating. The metal must be bare and free of all coatings and treatments.
So then, what is the difference between chrome plating aluminum and chrome plating steel? I've never done either yet but I'd like to start getting into it and learning, get the supplies I need.
Hi Jeff- Plating over aluminium is different from all other metals, purely down to the zincating step (this is the AllyCu section of the video) which is not necessary with other metals. On the other hand, other metals, such as steels, require chemicals that are not needed for aluminium. So the difference is always down to what type of metal you are trying to plate over the top of, regardless of what you are looking to actually deposit (ie chrome, gold etc) We have a page that explains all the required steps for the various metals that you may encounter, it can be found here gsplating.co.uk/how-to/how-to-do/88-how-to-plate-various-metals We also sell kits that come with almost everything required to plate over all surfaces (all metals as well as non conductive surfaces such as plastics) which can be found here gsplating.co.uk/shop/kits/gsp-prodigy the Prodigy kits contain either 1 litre, 5 litres or 10 litres of each chemical, and they come with all the chemicals you would need, to be able to plate kjust about anything. the only exception, is that they do not come with 18k gold strike, which is required when plating over stainless or non stainless steels, but that can be found here gsplating.co.uk/component/j2the liquid itself has a short shelf lifestore/products/18k-gold-plating-solution
One other thing, is that chrome itself is becoming harder and harder to acquire, as many territories are outlawing its use. Many places are looking to find alternative finishes (platinum, rhodium etc in thin layers, as they are very white in colour) but real chrome is something that is hard to get now.
If I knew how to electroplate aluminum I would not be watching this video. Assume I don't know what ally cu is or where to buy it. Assume I don't have a nickel bath. Is it a nickel sulphate bath or will I need something that is cyanide based?
Hi, sorry for the delay!! AllyCu is available on our site. It can be found here gsplating.co.uk/component/j2store/products/allycu-solution As long as you are applying the nickel by doing full tank plating, and not brush plating, and you have the correct nickel tank setup, then this should make the job all the more straightforward! The whole system is based on the nickel solution that we sell, which is not cyanide based at all. The nickel is sulphate based but has all the correct levellers and brighteners which allow the nickel to fully and slowly develop properly over the zincated surface, and actual enclad the item in a "skin" of nickel, and with our nickel it should come out pretty much mirror shiny, after which you can tank, or brush plate it in whatever finish you choose to go on with.
Hi, There is no such things as electroplating with stainless steel, although you can plate ON to stainless steel. Steel, or stainless steel, is not aqueous in solution and so it is not something that can be deposited via electroplating. Usually, in order to protect aluminium from the elements (which I am assuming is your purpose for covering aluminium in stainless steel?) they normally nickel plate, then zinc plate, then passivate. Or just nickel plate extremely heavily and then plate in something more decorative.
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Thanks for your response. I am intending to mesh a planetary gears assembly and the center gear is steel, while the planetary gears are aluminum and I was hoping I could plate the aluminum in some similarly durable metal to be able to withstand the strength of steel acting on the plated aluminum meshing planetary gears. I don't know what other plating metal would be suitable for this arrangement of gears plating. Thanks for your reply again.
@@Mr1fish2fish Plating is fine for prolonging the wear resistance of grinding or impact, but it is not really something that is considered to increase load bearing capacity, if that is what you are asking? It sounds like the engineering solution to your problem is to make the load bearing gears out of a metal stronger than that of the gears that bear down on it.
Can you please make the second part of this video? I would imagine we all came here having questions about plating but this only explains the first part… and none of the plating aspect…
Hi, the entire aspect of plating aluminium that people find difficult, is the part where you have to go from bare aluminium to nickel. Plating over nickel is easily done, so this video is all about how to use the AllyCu zincate (and subsequent nickel plate that has to follow) as it really helps to see what the zincating stage looks like while it is being done, in order to get it right. This is precisely what we cover in this video. The plating aspect is covered on here where we mention plating in step 5, plating in nickel for 40 minutes at 0.01 amps per cm2. Once this step is done, you are no longer dealing with a tricky aluminium surface, you are instead dealing with a nickel surface which is very easy to plate over. What finish would you be looking to plate over the nickel with? For eg gold, rose gold, copper etc? What setting you need going forward depend on which finish you would be using, but all finishes (when being plated on aluminium items) will have to involve the AllyCu and nickel stage as a standard. I hope this has helped!
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 oh I see I see! My bad! In looking for gold plating videos this was the first I found so it was confusing for me. I would like to plate some of the aluminum piping(intercooler etc) and polished intake manifold of my car(Nissan skyline) but the parts and pipes are quite large, some being like 2 feet long by 3 inches wide, and the intake manifold is two sections around 2’x1’ each. Also concerned with whether it would plate the interior of the pipe and if that could negatively affect the running, like if the air pressure got too high could the plating come off into the motor over time and cause problems. And if I were to go the route of one of those “paint on” style plating, If I were to Nickel plate first, is there a time limit to gold plating with quality or is it going to be lower quality if I can’t get to gold plating for a day later etc. A lot of the kits I’ve found are around $1k so I don’t wanna pull the trigger to find out that I chose the wrong one and have to drop another grand to go the other way etc. And from why I’ve seen the 1-gallon of gold solution is like 7-800, so for something that size, would I need it completely submerged the entirety of the plating(which could mean needing like 2-3 gallons?) or could I put like one half in, and then flip it over to do the second half? A lot of potential questions and I’ve not seen too much information out there(the 6 hours or so of internet research I’ve done trying to find) that answers these. A lot of people seem to only be plating small stuff like jewelry, and the big stuff I’ve found(like wheels), don’t show the nickel plating portion so I don’t know if they’re doing a giant submerged tank situation or what.
@@bowley4 so sorry, I completely missed this reply! Ok so the nickel plating stage is strictly tank only, it is not something that you can brush plate (the painting method you mention). Although nickel itself, as a plating solution, can be brush plated on to metals, it just so happens that with aluminium, due to the zincating process (the AllyCu) you must follow the nickel plating process by fully submerging. The inside would not plate. Trying to brush plate nickel over a zincated surface will actually deposit nickel, but the problem is that it is a very weak bond and just a knock of the finished product can produce big flakes of nickel chipping off, so it is no good. the good news is that gold CAN be brush plated over the nickel plated aluminium. If you use nickel activator on the nickel surface, and work your way around the engine part a bit at a time, you can brush plate the gold on no problem. It is much easier, faster and cleaner to submerge the item in gold solution however, and this is how we would recommend doing such a job, but if you are willing to put in the time and effort, then brush plating gold over such a large item is absolutely possible. Time is not a factor if you are worried about putting the gold on the next day etc, this is exactly what the nickel activator is designed for, it completely nullifies this issue. Provided that you apply the gold as sson as possible after activating the nickel, then the nickel can be any age, it does not matter. There is no loss of quality, the gold will be just as shiny (or matt) as the nickel is. Regarding plating in a bath of gold, yes you absolutely can plate just over half, flip the engine and then do the other half, it would be easy to do. We sell a type of 24k gold which we call "Tank Gold" which is a cheaper way of filling a tank. It deposits the same 24k finish as our full strength 24k gold, but contains a quarter of the gold per litre, but costs only a quarter of the price. Due to the low concentration, you are limited to plating no thicker than 1 micron, but such thicknesses would not be needed for parts like this anyway.
The video is not about god plating, it is designed to show the more mysterious process of plating over aluminium, which is not very clearly represented thusfar on youtube. Gold plating has plenty of vids showing how it is done/ what it looks like etc.
Hello, can plating process be done on High pressure Die casting components...??
Hi, sorry for the late reply, yes plating can be done on die cast, if it is zinc based die cast, then you would need a copper strike as well as the other type of copper, and then nickel and your finish of choice.
We can be contacted directly ar enquiries@gsplating.co.uk for further information,
Many thanks!
Hi I live in the U.S and having some trouble finding the "Ali cue" or "alleycue" solution dont know if thats spelled right the video is not very explicit in this detail. Please advise me on where to buy your products in the U.S.
Hi, sorry for the delay!! AllyCu is available on our site, and we are able to send it to the U.S
It can be found here gsplating.co.uk/component/j2store/products/allycu-solution
As long as you are applying the nickel by doing full tank plating, and not brush plating, and you have the correct nickel tank setup, then this should make the job all the more straightforward!
Is it possible to do it the other way around? as in plating other metals with Aluminium?
Hi Hectoria86, no it is not- there is no such thing as an aluminium plating solution that deposits aluminium. Certain metals just cannot be turned into a depositing aquious solution.
Hey, we are manufacturers of studio microphones and the most common surface finish is matt nickel. Can you offer something from you product rtange?
Hi Andriooxsb do you mean that you would like to be able to take the matt finish and plate it so it becomes shiny, or do you mean that you would like to create matt nickel finishes of your own?
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Hey, we particulary need matt finish. We sand blast brass parts before plating and then satin/matt nickel is applied. But our plating supplier is not taking new orders anymore, so our goal is to install a small plating line to our factory.
@@andriooxsb We can certainly help you there! We have a process that can allow you to dial in the amount of matt or shine you want, all in-tank. Please email us at enquiries@gsplating.co.uk and we can produce a specific kit for you based on what you are looking to do.
Hello, I want to coat my aluminum parts with Ni-B. I prefer NaBH4 or DMAB (dimethyl amino borane) as a boron source. In my Ni-DMAB bath, aluminum darkens and peels off within 30 seconds. What path should I follow.
Hi! When you say the aluminium peels off, do you mean it oxidizes and the oxide flakes off, or do you mean that the nickel that you are trying to adhere, peels off?
Aluminium should typically be plated in a regular nickel (pure nickel) solution after being zincated. If you are using a certain type of hybrid nickel then I would possibly expect problems going over the zincated surface.
As far as I know, boron nickels are for electroless plating. I would not rely on the electroless nickel plating system for covering aluminium from scratch. At best, I would say plate the aluminium in regular nickel as per the video, and then plate over THAT nickel with your boron nickel.
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Hello sir, I have sent the photos related to the problem I am experiencing to your e-mail address on your website.
@@ismailgunduz7146 Thanks, we have seen these and replied, many thanks.
I read that you have to use flash copper after zincate step, is that correct?
Our system requires the use of a 40 minute long nickel plate directly after using the AllyCu, no copper strike involved. Many thanks!
How does that aluminum bar get plated evenly with all of that thick copper wire wrapped around it?
If the copper wire is deoxidised before wrapping (using steel wool) and also, wrapped with enough give so that when the allycu is being put on, the waving motion in the tank allows it to get behind and cover it. Then when it comes to nickel plating, because the wire has been deoxidised, it fully passes on the nickel plate beneath itself. This is the same as when you use our products to electroform plastic items in copper, you do not have to worry about lines being left in the end result, it plates "through" the wire.
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Interesting to know, thank you, I would have never thought about that. I've never plated anything yet but have been researching and studying it to help get more prepared for when I try it soon.
Does this process work for yellow chromate plating?
Yellow chromate plating....I assume you are referring to anodise or passavate? If you are, then things like passavate, anodise, all other kinds of finishes and treatments need to be removed before you can start plating. The metal must be bare and free of all coatings and treatments.
So then, what is the difference between chrome plating aluminum and chrome plating steel? I've never done either yet but I'd like to start getting into it and learning, get the supplies I need.
Hi Jeff- Plating over aluminium is different from all other metals, purely down to the zincating step (this is the AllyCu section of the video) which is not necessary with other metals. On the other hand, other metals, such as steels, require chemicals that are not needed for aluminium. So the difference is always down to what type of metal you are trying to plate over the top of, regardless of what you are looking to actually deposit (ie chrome, gold etc)
We have a page that explains all the required steps for the various metals that you may encounter, it can be found here
gsplating.co.uk/how-to/how-to-do/88-how-to-plate-various-metals
We also sell kits that come with almost everything required to plate over all surfaces (all metals as well as non conductive surfaces such as plastics) which can be found here
gsplating.co.uk/shop/kits/gsp-prodigy
the Prodigy kits contain either 1 litre, 5 litres or 10 litres of each chemical, and they come with all the chemicals you would need, to be able to plate kjust about anything. the only exception, is that they do not come with 18k gold strike, which is required when plating over stainless or non stainless steels, but that can be found here
gsplating.co.uk/component/j2the liquid itself has a short shelf lifestore/products/18k-gold-plating-solution
One other thing, is that chrome itself is becoming harder and harder to acquire, as many territories are outlawing its use. Many places are looking to find alternative finishes (platinum, rhodium etc in thin layers, as they are very white in colour) but real chrome is something that is hard to get now.
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Very interesting and thanks for the info, I will check those links out.
@@bodeine454 Glad to help Jeff
If I knew how to electroplate aluminum I would not be watching this video. Assume I don't know what ally cu is or where to buy it. Assume I don't have a nickel bath. Is it a nickel sulphate bath or will I need something that is cyanide based?
Hi, sorry for the delay!! AllyCu is available on our site.
It can be found here gsplating.co.uk/component/j2store/products/allycu-solution
As long as you are applying the nickel by doing full tank plating, and not brush plating, and you have the correct nickel tank setup, then this should make the job all the more straightforward!
The whole system is based on the nickel solution that we sell, which is not cyanide based at all. The nickel is sulphate based but has all the correct levellers and brighteners which allow the nickel to fully and slowly develop properly over the zincated surface, and actual enclad the item in a "skin" of nickel, and with our nickel it should come out pretty much mirror shiny, after which you can tank, or brush plate it in whatever finish you choose to go on with.
Is it possible to plate aluminum with stainless steel?
Hi,
There is no such things as electroplating with stainless steel, although you can plate ON to stainless steel.
Steel, or stainless steel, is not aqueous in solution and so it is not something that can be deposited via electroplating.
Usually, in order to protect aluminium from the elements (which I am assuming is your purpose for covering aluminium in stainless steel?) they normally nickel plate, then zinc plate, then passivate. Or just nickel plate extremely heavily and then plate in something more decorative.
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 Thanks for your response. I am intending to mesh a planetary gears assembly and the center gear is steel, while the planetary gears are aluminum and I was hoping I could plate the aluminum in some similarly durable metal to be able to withstand the strength of steel acting on the plated aluminum meshing planetary gears. I don't know what other plating metal would be suitable for this arrangement of gears plating. Thanks for your reply again.
@@Mr1fish2fish Plating is fine for prolonging the wear resistance of grinding or impact, but it is not really something that is considered to increase load bearing capacity, if that is what you are asking? It sounds like the engineering solution to your problem is to make the load bearing gears out of a metal stronger than that of the gears that bear down on it.
Can you please make the second part of this video? I would imagine we all came here having questions about plating but this only explains the first part… and none of the plating aspect…
Hi, the entire aspect of plating aluminium that people find difficult, is the part where you have to go from bare aluminium to nickel. Plating over nickel is easily done, so this video is all about how to use the AllyCu zincate (and subsequent nickel plate that has to follow) as it really helps to see what the zincating stage looks like while it is being done, in order to get it right. This is precisely what we cover in this video.
The plating aspect is covered on here where we mention plating in step 5, plating in nickel for 40 minutes at 0.01 amps per cm2.
Once this step is done, you are no longer dealing with a tricky aluminium surface, you are instead dealing with a nickel surface which is very easy to plate over.
What finish would you be looking to plate over the nickel with? For eg gold, rose gold, copper etc? What setting you need going forward depend on which finish you would be using, but all finishes (when being plated on aluminium items) will have to involve the AllyCu and nickel stage as a standard.
I hope this has helped!
@@goldsolutionsplating1761 oh I see I see! My bad! In looking for gold plating videos this was the first I found so it was confusing for me. I would like to plate some of the aluminum piping(intercooler etc) and polished intake manifold of my car(Nissan skyline) but the parts and pipes are quite large, some being like 2 feet long by 3 inches wide, and the intake manifold is two sections around 2’x1’ each. Also concerned with whether it would plate the interior of the pipe and if that could negatively affect the running, like if the air pressure got too high could the plating come off into the motor over time and cause problems. And if I were to go the route of one of those “paint on” style plating, If I were to Nickel plate first, is there a time limit to gold plating with quality or is it going to be lower quality if I can’t get to gold plating for a day later etc. A lot of the kits I’ve found are around $1k so I don’t wanna pull the trigger to find out that I chose the wrong one and have to drop another grand to go the other way etc. And from why I’ve seen the 1-gallon of gold solution is like 7-800, so for something that size, would I need it completely submerged the entirety of the plating(which could mean needing like 2-3 gallons?) or could I put like one half in, and then flip it over to do the second half?
A lot of potential questions and I’ve not seen too much information out there(the 6 hours or so of internet research I’ve done trying to find) that answers these. A lot of people seem to only be plating small stuff like jewelry, and the big stuff I’ve found(like wheels), don’t show the nickel plating portion so I don’t know if they’re doing a giant submerged tank situation or what.
@@bowley4 so sorry, I completely missed this reply! Ok so the nickel plating stage is strictly tank only, it is not something that you can brush plate (the painting method you mention). Although nickel itself, as a plating solution, can be brush plated on to metals, it just so happens that with aluminium, due to the zincating process (the AllyCu) you must follow the nickel plating process by fully submerging.
The inside would not plate.
Trying to brush plate nickel over a zincated surface will actually deposit nickel, but the problem is that it is a very weak bond and just a knock of the finished product can produce big flakes of nickel chipping off, so it is no good.
the good news is that gold CAN be brush plated over the nickel plated aluminium. If you use nickel activator on the nickel surface, and work your way around the engine part a bit at a time, you can brush plate the gold on no problem.
It is much easier, faster and cleaner to submerge the item in gold solution however, and this is how we would recommend doing such a job, but if you are willing to put in the time and effort, then brush plating gold over such a large item is absolutely possible.
Time is not a factor if you are worried about putting the gold on the next day etc, this is exactly what the nickel activator is designed for, it completely nullifies this issue. Provided that you apply the gold as sson as possible after activating the nickel, then the nickel can be any age, it does not matter. There is no loss of quality, the gold will be just as shiny (or matt) as the nickel is.
Regarding plating in a bath of gold, yes you absolutely can plate just over half, flip the engine and then do the other half, it would be easy to do.
We sell a type of 24k gold which we call "Tank Gold" which is a cheaper way of filling a tank. It deposits the same 24k finish as our full strength 24k gold, but contains a quarter of the gold per litre, but costs only a quarter of the price. Due to the low concentration, you are limited to plating no thicker than 1 micron, but such thicknesses would not be needed for parts like this anyway.
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The video is not about god plating, it is designed to show the more mysterious process of plating over aluminium, which is not very clearly represented thusfar on youtube. Gold plating has plenty of vids showing how it is done/ what it looks like etc.