@@KetteiThe7th_ thank you. I needed this info as someone who's aiming for yanagi. Skipping Ceasar and was going to skip burnice but looks like she's a most pull now for me.
Nothing you say will make me change my mind about skipping burnice for yanagi and miyabi Unfortunately everything you said has made me feel really bad about this decision
They just did the Hoyo famous move, i.e. put 2 characters that benefit/need each other back to back in banners. At least they put them on different patches so we still have a chance to collect some polychromes. Burnice is shaping up to be the cornerstone of Disorder teams. She's closer to Kafka's role in HSR, and keeping in mind that there's no 2nd Kafka till now (some characters are able to proc their own element tho), I'm really hoping they don't do us dirty and keep Burnice as the only S-Rank off-field Anomaly agent, and hope they release a support for Anomaly/Disorder reactions who can boost the Grace/Piper/Jane numbers for Disorder combs. Seth is not enough!
and yeah, the part about skipping Burnice was really weird tbh. Burnice being an off-field Anomaly agent can make a difference in many teams, even the standard Crit ones.
@@iDroiD-Gaming she’s not a neccasry for other teams as you think cause there’s so many options. And looking at numbers she’s isn’t much better or better at all in said teams. If someone pulled Caesar and don’t have enough for burnice for their jane team then that’s ok because Jane Seth Caesar does just as much damage as burnice Jane Caesar. It’s not worth it also considering that person would have to spend real life money to then get burnice, why would I ever advocate for that when the other team is just as good? So I don’t see how it’s weird at all, by you saying that it’s weird your telling people who don’t have enough polychromes to spend money and I will never advocate for that
@@KetteiThe7th_ Oh no. You got me all wrong mate! Or maybe, I didn't word my thoughts clear enough. Burnice (for me at least) is the real start of Disorder-based teams. As an Anomaly/Disorder main, this is a Godsend! She also can function as a Sub-DPS in some team comps (maybe numbers are not that high, but better if you play without a dedicated stun/defense unit, i.e. with a 3rd character being a support) Tbf, they implemented Anomaly after the last beta test iirc. I suspect they had a clear roadmap at that time for Anomaly/Disorder comps. reactions) I totally agree with you on the fact that there's no single character that is a must pull. But for me, since I already decided to skip Caesar, I am coping hard to get Burnice then Yanagi and start playing 2 Anomaly teams, and with a semi-flexible Burnice who can work with my Jane or Grace (finally got that b*tch), I will have some fun time experimenting with different team comps
Burnice is great for disorder ofc, she’s ok at being a sub dps for crit agents, (it’s only decent not great), and she is the center piece for disorder rn. But again she is unfortunately very replaceable as all hoyo has to do is make an ether anomaly off field agent and she’s immediately replaced, tbh with you yanagi is more of the Kafka and burnice is more black swan, as it’s very unlikely they make another disorder in field carry any time soon even a year from now, but it’s very likely they make more off field anomaly agents that compete with burnice, but only time will tell
yanagi really seems like a rerun character. so many people are gonna think she's bad on release who don't do research on her but she'll end up becoming even stronger in the future. which is kinda weird but if you don't get burnice you're gonna be waiting awhile until you make yanagi good
@@skycomrade4608soon "Burnice is OP!!! Must Pull" "Burnice is overrated NGL, just a qol for disorder" "Regretted skipping burnice" "Who needs burnice when XXX can beat XXX"
Trial Burnice in HIA training is actually properly built, 2.7k atk, 118 AM, 320 ish AP, and the Boss is Razor, so if you wanna test her performance with different team comps that you come up with, that is the place. Though that Razor HP is quite watered down, he ded in a single stun burst, I managed to hit around 1M burning disorder damage.
but the thing is, burnice in HIA training feels extremely underwhelming when it comes to her off field support. her afterburn is slow and takes forever to buildup burn and hits for like 15k at most. feels like her only dmg is from her special and spin move
@@bookmarker2891Its obviously because of her core not being raised and disk 6 being atk%, but you sure you use her dual flamethrower? I just use dual flamethrower, leave it at like 60% full, switch to Jane, and burn procs a sec before assault. Its fast enough for me.
"disorder effect dmg is increased by 100%. Whenever an agent triggers the disorder effect, the entire squad gains massive hp energy and decibels" That's the buff you're working with in the HIA training. Half the disorder numbers you're seeing and it's closer to an accurate representation, but it'll still feel smoother to play due to the other buffs.
@@Onikabutofirstsisterlater I agree her AM in HIA is really low that’s why I’m surprised people are praising her from playing the training. Also it feels like burnices duel flamethrowers are made to proc disorder not her after burn since you can control the timing way better
Yeah alot of peeps are coming to the conclusion that if if you Yanagi is a bad investment since she really only seems to work with Burnice but you know...investing in victory means playing the long game! So Yanagi I trust will be a character people are gonna hate skipping on (even tho I understand, cause Lighter and Miyabi)
Idk how all these calculations work, but I can’t imagine Yanagi is going to be underwhelming on release like people are suggesting. Sure she may rely on Burnice or future agents to have absolute maximum output, but ain’t no way she’s just going to be not good. All that matter to be is that she looks really fun and I love her design, so I’m just going to get her and just enjoy the gameplay.
Who would be the best 3rd team member for the Burnice/Yanagi team? I'm guessing Caesar but if I want a shot at getting both Burnice and Yanagi I think I will need to skip Caesar :(. I also don't have Seth because didn't pull for Jane. Is my only option Lucy? Does Soukaku fit here? (I forget what her kit/synergy ability does)
As much as I wanted Caesar, I am currently 20 pulls away from my guarantee with only 25 pulls remaining 😅 So instead I’m pulling bestgirl Burnice to pair with my Piper and Lucy. I’ve been really enjoying the duo lately, and Burnice’s gameplay feels incredibly fun.
Burnice currently sounds more Safer option than Yanagi. Burnice can work perfectly with Jane and Piper. Yanagi in other hand, you can force it to work, But it will be more Rough Especially for casual. But we need to remember that this is V1 Yanagi, she might receive buffs in the future to make her less reliant on someone like Burnice
This is interesting, I originally intended on pulling Burnice for my Piper team, but since I already have Caesar, who I wasn't aware is the bigger upgrade, it seems like I'm better off...well, still pulling her, but plugging her into my Grace+Rina comp and finally ditching Anton. Thanks for the video, very informative.
As someone who is currently sitting on a guarantee, man do I wish Caesar and Burnice's banners could swap places. I really want both, but I want Burnice more between the two of them. So I have to decide whether to use my guarantee on Caesar and risk missing Burnice if I'm unlucky, or just skip Caesar altogether to be sure I get Burnice. If it were the other way around, I could still at least try for Caesar afterwards. My willpower is being tested every day 😅
Burnice's moveset is unreasonably good when compared to the rest of the cast. Even by herself and taking Disorder out of the equation, every single aspect of her moveset is just busted: - Her held Basic and EX have Anti-Interrupt - Most of her basic attacks, even her Dash attack, have Burn application (Lucy...) - Ultimate triggers Quick Assist WHILE SHE'S ATTACKING THE ENEMY (!!!) - You can maneuver during her EX to reposition - Dual flamethrowers give her insane AoE range Not to mention the passive off-field damage and Burn application. Burnice just feels leagues ahead from every Anomaly character thus far, like I can't imagine someone being better than her in terms of accessibility, her character kit is just that good.
Hi Keith. Good video as always. My thoughts on disorder teams are complicated. As you said, they'll be good if you have the pieces for it, but I can't help but be concerned about one key thing. It's not gonna feel good if one of the elements are resisted. Short-term specifics - since Burnice is the only off-field Anomaly, it'll feel bad if Fire gets resisted. While I know that they can still clear content as long as they're invested enough, it doesn't feel good to see grey numbers and slower Anomaly buildup especially considering how many pulls you will potentially spend Burnice and maybe Yanagi. Though, I think the above issue will be mitigated in time as more Disorder-focused agents come out. In my case, the game gave me Attacker and Stunner Agents and Wengines, so it's a good play for me to just build what I have. I think I'll consider pulling for Burnice since I like her and I want to try her in a mono-Fire team while I wait for other Anomaly Agents, but maybe near the end of her banner after I've seen 1.4 drip marketing.
I honestly think disorder teams will eventually switch around the two anomaly agents based on what they're fighting. Burnice can work well with on fielders like piper/jane or grace/yanagi. Still waiting for ether and ice anomaly agents to round out the roster. Because grace exists, i'm not going for Yanagi because they fill similar roles, where an ice or ether agent gives new coverage.
i was thinking of going for Burnice but looking at Yanagi it seems like she's going to be the raiden shogun of ZZZ, which means she's going to be a DPS disorder monster
Oof, Yanagi is Disorder reliant? I already thought her account value would be low since Burnice is so much more versatile, but needing an S rank to have a solid or above team, just makes Yanagi’s account value drop to the ground. I hope these aren’t final, otherwise the only reason to pull for her would be because you like her and/or you have Burnice
I am getting Burnice for my Jane team because I like her and I can use her on the second team when needed. That said, do you that it would be better to get Yanagi or lighter? I was wanting to go for lighter just because I thought it would be fun to play him with Burnice and and Lucy for a short time. I think Yanagi is cool too I just was unsure of if she is pull worthy rn.
@@miuiruma273 Not entirely true, sure it does less damage than hyper jane or with burnice but yanagi + jane technically interact with each other with disorder and can activate each other core passives, supports like Lucy also are very good for anomaly, While ZY and Ellen, lets just say one of them will not have their core or BiS support.
So what I'm hearing in this video is that my sense of taste leading to both Burnice and Yanagi Activating my Neurons will be rewarded with Yanagi's best support? Solid. (Assuming I manage to pull Yanagi. Skipped both Jane and Caesar, so I'm confident I'll be able to get Burnice, it's just unfortunate for me that Yanagi's banner immediately follows. Probably.)
@@KetteiThe7th_ Thanks! I’m hoping to keep pulling for Caesar to at least get M6 Piper and M1 Caesar, then I’ll save up for Yanagi! I lucked out on a double Tusks of Fury as well so I’ve got W2 for Caesar and W5 for Piper. I can’t wait for Yanagi
Sorry to ask, but do you have the damage calculations for Jane Doe-Burnice-Caesar so I can compare with the calculations for Yanagi-Burnice-Caesar? Great vid btw!
I'm 100% going for burnice after losing to Jane and skipping Caesar. But I need to see Yanagi's kit to know if I should go for her. I have no doubt she'll be much better than grace, but Miyabi
It states a lot about the state of Physical DPS, Anomaly Phys is outright outclassing them, Nekomata being outclassed by Piper from day 1, and Jane being a better DPS than any current Physical "DPS", Physical agents (and potentially fire ones) need their own dedicated Nicole/Soukaku but instead on the forseeable (leeks) future all we see is more disorder oriented characters.
Crit physical dps is in a bad spot. Nekomata is their only S agent and she's the worst standard character. She's pretty underwhelming compared to any other S rank in the game. Even Corin can outperform Nekomata.
I want you to have fun and enjoy the game, I’m not telling you what to do, I’m just simply presenting the information is all. As long as u get the characters u want and have fun then your good to go homie
From a purely play style perspective, I think two on-fields is better. The gameplay is already very simple. More complexity will keep me entertained longer. The whole reason I was drawn to disorder teams is because it's slightly less straight forward. Everything else is just a balancing issue.
IMHO, as of now, disorder only works best on Shock and Burn. These are the only 2 debuffs (Corruption too but there's no reliable Ether Anomaly) that benefit the best with Disorder. Jane doesn't really need Disorder since she can pretty much kill everything with her Assault.
Hi Kettei, love the vids I am planning to pull for Burnice, I already have Grace in this case. Can the third member be Rina or is it better to use Caesar?
@BlackBear14332 you need to use Rina or Grace won’t get her passive active, but ice will get her passive active through Grace and Grace will activate Rina passive And Ty for your support!
It’ll work for sure, but the damage difference between Jane/yanagi and yanagi/burnice is massive. Your better off running Jane with another buffer as yanagi only holds her back. But if you’re just a waifu enjoyer then I hope u have fun!
@@KetteiThe7th_I am a waifu enjoyer! But I also have a good reason for skipping Burnice. I'm going for Yanagi because pulling for her will enable dps Soukaku shenanigans. 2 carries for pulling 1. So all I'll need is a fire dps, as opposed to going for Burnice, and needing an electric and ice dps.
i just got caesar and i got 2 characters back to back before her. i dont want to gamble on burnice bcs i really want yanagi. i'll make her work with jane.
Man this sucks, I just got to 15k and was debating if going for cesar or burnice, then skipping yanagi and lighter to save again. Got zhu yuan and Jane, and lost the other 2. Now everyone sees and says that yanagi is going to be incredible (specially with burnice) and don't know anymore. Still thinking of going for burnice to boost Jane but missing on Cesar and yanagi.
I really don't think I'll be able to pull for both Burnice and Yanagi, especially if Yanagi drops in phase 1 of the next patch. Of the two, I just like Yanagi a lot more, it sucks so much that I'd have to pull for a character immediately before her just to play her competitively. I will have to go for at least one of them on an eventual rerun, and I wanted that to be Burnice, but as things look right now it seems like Yanagi is the one that will have to wait
Don't worry about being competitive it's a single player game, just pull for the characters you like more. It's possible to solo all the content on the game right now.
Yanagi will be the kafka of Zzz....lemme explain If we take anomaly as similar to dot then burnice and other anomaly characters are gonna be the ones who apply dot and Yanagi is the one who's gonna proc the disorder damage which is similar to kafka's procs after other dot units apply their respective dot statuses Difference being kafka procs each dot separately and yanagi just procs the overall damage at once....
Well atleast you can pair alot of anomaly dps than attackers who cant pair with other attackers because its unnecessary for attackers. Physical anomaly is better with ether and ice because they buff damage like crit damage and frequency attacks. Burn is Dot, lightning is the same but you need to frequently attack to activate dot lightning. Ill be sadly skipping yanagi and burnince because i feel like they will fall off in a year especially for yanagi when she is just slightly buff version of grace with disorder. Yanagi and burnice would work together well but only in disorder procs not in buffing each other damage (jane buffs ally phys. Assault by critting and M4 anomaly team buff)
@@accompolice4694 it is still better tho to run Jane as the only physical in the team as running Piper or neko takes away field time from Jane and your so much better off just replacing them with another buffer. When I saw the DPS sheets for Jane/Piper team or Jane/neko team I was severely disappointed… you lose almost 50% dmg compared to just running Jane with 2 buffers. If they ever make an off field physical in the future then it could potentially work
I got my main team with Jane Seth Qingyi, and my second team with 11, Koleda and Lucy I simply dont know who to pull anymore ? I think Burnice would be nice to parry with Jane, but it would make Qingyi useless in the team, if I pull Yanagi I will probably need to build another team(?) Any suggestions?
@@KetteiThe7th_ Legends says it will be Harumasa and Miyabi probably, I really dont know anymore lol Probably save for future agents as you said its the best option because sooner or later they will drop something interesting
Truly, spoken in true meta propaganda. Just kidding, still just gonna pull for the characters I like, I'd rather not meddle with meta again, especially in MiHoYo's games.
I saw a reddit video with burnice and jane - it's a double disorder damage event - but still the damage numbers from disorder procs are extremely high. In the video Jane did over a million disorder damage inside 3 seconds.
Do you think i should be pulling for burnice or lighter? I have s11 and m6 lucy build, but I'm planning to build piper as her ex will make lucy's boar rain like crazy. I'm not pulling for caesar because I won't have enough polychromes
@@ebiooo in that case, aren't you still better off rolling for an early Caesar ? Her value isnt tied to Piper, but Piper is one of her banner chars, in case you dont have her cinema maxed yet. Worst case, you'll miss her and build up pity for Burnice, best case, you get Caesar, who works in many comps and is apparently Pipers biggest upgrade.
@@ProtoTypeFM problem is, I don't have any wengines for her, and I don't really like her playstyle (though her shield is amazing good for piper). Also, piper doesn't really feel good as an on-field as her attacks are slow, so changing between piper-lucy-burnice would be more fun in my opinion. Plus, I just found out that burnice's ex also made lucy's boar rain
I'd say since she's so flexible, run soukakou jane and seth for right now, skip Caesar, and get burnice. That way, you can also get yanagi later if you want, and you have a good jane team right now. Unless you just really like Caesar.
Like I said above....Caesar will buff Jane's attack plus she will give Jane the Shield and keep her from being interrupted. Since you want Jane on the field most of the time....I think Caesar is a little better than Burnice for Jane overall because you get your atk buff AND survivability too. Nothing stopping you from running Burnice AND Caesar though....well besides the inevitable card swipe.
And like I told you above it’s really down to skill, if your playing poorly then Caesar will win but if your playing well the 2 teams sheet almost identically
@@KetteiThe7th_ I get what you are saying but even if you play well you can make a mistake or have a button press that doesn't register....etc. The Caesar team is simply more forgiving. And that added survivability is valuable since if a char dies there is no dps from it at all and if it's Jane you may as well restart.
@@KetteiThe7th_ I'd say very different....Caesar is going to buff Jane's dmg and Jane is going to be doing direct damage as main dps. Where Both Burnice and Yanagi are going to be doing Dot damage and likely have Seth or some other support to buff their dmg. It's kinda like two sub dps vs a main dps. Should be really fun though.
If your are getting the max amount of disorders in the team then the teams sheet pretty identical, only way Jane Caesar performs better than Jane burnice is if you play poorly, which some people might so Caesar is definitely easier to get the most out of
Need to wait to see if they nerf or buff yanagi, i don’t want to say yes or no now cause they can easily derail her or giga buff her in the coming weeks
I would recommend get burnice and if possible skip yanagi for now as they are both next to each other as she has so much potential however bad timing as 1.2 is more stacked than 1.3 . I'd also like to see as Grace still being useful for hitting multiple enemies
WE GETTING A MENTAL DISORDER AND FINANCIAL DEBT WITH THIS ONE 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥💵💵💵
fr - as if I could afford Jane, Caesar, Burnice and Yanagi all at once.
Man, I hope I have enough poly’s left for Yanagi after Burnice.
Just be an above average luck gamer 😏
seems like you're gonna have to rely on goodluckgamer ALG🙏
She’s a 4 star so it should be easy
@@Aurorafruit777 lol no
@@at_msk ?
“My name is KetteiThe7th and I’ll be making you second-guess your decision to skip Burnice today.”
lol, just thought people needed to see the difference is all
Why would anyone skip Burnice, I don't get it.
@@KetteiThe7th_ thank you. I needed this info as someone who's aiming for yanagi. Skipping Ceasar and was going to skip burnice but looks like she's a most pull now for me.
@@ЯБезымянный-о5ф yanagi
Nothing you say will make me change my mind about skipping burnice for yanagi and miyabi
Unfortunately everything you said has made me feel really bad about this decision
Me who has no anomaly agents yet: interesting... 🤔
They just did the Hoyo famous move, i.e. put 2 characters that benefit/need each other back to back in banners. At least they put them on different patches so we still have a chance to collect some polychromes.
Burnice is shaping up to be the cornerstone of Disorder teams. She's closer to Kafka's role in HSR, and keeping in mind that there's no 2nd Kafka till now (some characters are able to proc their own element tho), I'm really hoping they don't do us dirty and keep Burnice as the only S-Rank off-field Anomaly agent, and hope they release a support for Anomaly/Disorder reactions who can boost the Grace/Piper/Jane numbers for Disorder combs. Seth is not enough!
and yeah, the part about skipping Burnice was really weird tbh. Burnice being an off-field Anomaly agent can make a difference in many teams, even the standard Crit ones.
@@iDroiD-Gaming she’s not a neccasry for other teams as you think cause there’s so many options. And looking at numbers she’s isn’t much better or better at all in said teams. If someone pulled Caesar and don’t have enough for burnice for their jane team then that’s ok because Jane Seth Caesar does just as much damage as burnice Jane Caesar. It’s not worth it also considering that person would have to spend real life money to then get burnice, why would I ever advocate for that when the other team is just as good? So I don’t see how it’s weird at all, by you saying that it’s weird your telling people who don’t have enough polychromes to spend money and I will never advocate for that
@@KetteiThe7th_ Oh no. You got me all wrong mate!
Or maybe, I didn't word my thoughts clear enough.
Burnice (for me at least) is the real start of Disorder-based teams. As an Anomaly/Disorder main, this is a Godsend!
She also can function as a Sub-DPS in some team comps (maybe numbers are not that high, but better if you play without a dedicated stun/defense unit, i.e. with a 3rd character being a support)
Tbf, they implemented Anomaly after the last beta test iirc. I suspect they had a clear roadmap at that time for Anomaly/Disorder comps. reactions)
I totally agree with you on the fact that there's no single character that is a must pull. But for me, since I already decided to skip Caesar, I am coping hard to get Burnice then Yanagi and start playing 2 Anomaly teams, and with a semi-flexible Burnice who can work with my Jane or Grace (finally got that b*tch), I will have some fun time experimenting with different team comps
Burnice is great for disorder ofc, she’s ok at being a sub dps for crit agents, (it’s only decent not great), and she is the center piece for disorder rn. But again she is unfortunately very replaceable as all hoyo has to do is make an ether anomaly off field agent and she’s immediately replaced, tbh with you yanagi is more of the Kafka and burnice is more black swan, as it’s very unlikely they make another disorder in field carry any time soon even a year from now, but it’s very likely they make more off field anomaly agents that compete with burnice, but only time will tell
Can't wait to run the crazy lady team comp with grace + burnice
yanagi really seems like a rerun character. so many people are gonna think she's bad on release who don't do research on her but she'll end up becoming even stronger in the future. which is kinda weird but if you don't get burnice you're gonna be waiting awhile until you make yanagi good
never regretted not skipping a character more than i do rn lol because i didn't skip caesar i'm losing two characters i wanted 🥲
@@qae people gassed up Caesar too much. She isn't even a main damage dealer lol.
Yanagi main damage dealer with burnice for shock shiyu clears. Yanagi sub dps with miyabi for ice shiyu clears .
@@skycomrade4608soon
"Burnice is OP!!! Must Pull"
"Burnice is overrated NGL, just a qol for disorder"
"Regretted skipping burnice"
"Who needs burnice when XXX can beat XXX"
@@skycomrade4608 I mean she can do really nice damage and impact both if you git gud at parrying with her E,
Trial Burnice in HIA training is actually properly built, 2.7k atk, 118 AM, 320 ish AP, and the Boss is Razor, so if you wanna test her performance with different team comps that you come up with, that is the place. Though that Razor HP is quite watered down, he ded in a single stun burst, I managed to hit around 1M burning disorder damage.
but the thing is, burnice in HIA training feels extremely underwhelming when it comes to her off field support. her afterburn is slow and takes forever to buildup burn and hits for like 15k at most. feels like her only dmg is from her special and spin move
@@bookmarker2891Its obviously because of her core not being raised and disk 6 being atk%, but you sure you use her dual flamethrower? I just use dual flamethrower, leave it at like 60% full, switch to Jane, and burn procs a sec before assault. Its fast enough for me.
Doesn't the HIA have a buff for disorder?
"disorder effect dmg is increased by 100%. Whenever an agent triggers the disorder effect, the entire squad gains massive hp energy and decibels"
That's the buff you're working with in the HIA training. Half the disorder numbers you're seeing and it's closer to an accurate representation, but it'll still feel smoother to play due to the other buffs.
@@Onikabutofirstsisterlater I agree her AM in HIA is really low that’s why I’m surprised people are praising her from playing the training. Also it feels like burnices duel flamethrowers are made to proc disorder not her after burn since you can control the timing way better
Just wanna say I appreciate the editing Kettei. Music and visual are great.
@@sirrah2458 Ty!
Yeah alot of peeps are coming to the conclusion that if if you Yanagi is a bad investment since she really only seems to work with Burnice but you know...investing in victory means playing the long game! So Yanagi I trust will be a character people are gonna hate skipping on (even tho I understand, cause Lighter and Miyabi)
Idk how all these calculations work, but I can’t imagine Yanagi is going to be underwhelming on release like people are suggesting. Sure she may rely on Burnice or future agents to have absolute maximum output, but ain’t no way she’s just going to be not good. All that matter to be is that she looks really fun and I love her design, so I’m just going to get her and just enjoy the gameplay.
still pulling for Yanagi even though I built Grace and her sig W-engine
Zzz got their Break meta sooner than HSR
So excited to ger Burnice and Yanagi!
Who would be the best 3rd team member for the Burnice/Yanagi team? I'm guessing Caesar but if I want a shot at getting both Burnice and Yanagi I think I will need to skip Caesar :(. I also don't have Seth because didn't pull for Jane. Is my only option Lucy? Does Soukaku fit here? (I forget what her kit/synergy ability does)
Seth Rina Lucy or Caesar are all fine options
Rina Lucy >> Seth
As much as I wanted Caesar, I am currently 20 pulls away from my guarantee with only 25 pulls remaining 😅
So instead I’m pulling bestgirl Burnice to pair with my Piper and Lucy. I’ve been really enjoying the duo lately, and Burnice’s gameplay feels incredibly fun.
Im sorry Anby and S11, looks like Im replacing you, theres a new fire and thunder team in town
Burnice currently sounds more Safer option than Yanagi. Burnice can work perfectly with Jane and Piper. Yanagi in other hand, you can force it to work, But it will be more Rough Especially for casual.
But we need to remember that this is V1 Yanagi, she might receive buffs in the future to make her less reliant on someone like Burnice
She might get buffs yes
This is interesting, I originally intended on pulling Burnice for my Piper team, but since I already have Caesar, who I wasn't aware is the bigger upgrade, it seems like I'm better off...well, still pulling her, but plugging her into my Grace+Rina comp and finally ditching Anton. Thanks for the video, very informative.
Perfect!! I have been wanting yanagi and burnice!!
An A-rank version of Burnice would be nice in the future for sure
As someone who is currently sitting on a guarantee, man do I wish Caesar and Burnice's banners could swap places. I really want both, but I want Burnice more between the two of them. So I have to decide whether to use my guarantee on Caesar and risk missing Burnice if I'm unlucky, or just skip Caesar altogether to be sure I get Burnice. If it were the other way around, I could still at least try for Caesar afterwards. My willpower is being tested every day 😅
Stay strong soldier!
Burnice's moveset is unreasonably good when compared to the rest of the cast. Even by herself and taking Disorder out of the equation, every single aspect of her moveset is just busted:
- Her held Basic and EX have Anti-Interrupt
- Most of her basic attacks, even her Dash attack, have Burn application (Lucy...)
- Ultimate triggers Quick Assist WHILE SHE'S ATTACKING THE ENEMY (!!!)
- You can maneuver during her EX to reposition
- Dual flamethrowers give her insane AoE range
Not to mention the passive off-field damage and Burn application. Burnice just feels leagues ahead from every Anomaly character thus far, like I can't imagine someone being better than her in terms of accessibility, her character kit is just that good.
Aw yeah now this is pod racing
Hi Keith. Good video as always.
My thoughts on disorder teams are complicated. As you said, they'll be good if you have the pieces for it, but I can't help but be concerned about one key thing.
It's not gonna feel good if one of the elements are resisted. Short-term specifics - since Burnice is the only off-field Anomaly, it'll feel bad if Fire gets resisted.
While I know that they can still clear content as long as they're invested enough, it doesn't feel good to see grey numbers and slower Anomaly buildup especially considering how many pulls you will potentially spend Burnice and maybe Yanagi. Though, I think the above issue will be mitigated in time as more Disorder-focused agents come out.
In my case, the game gave me Attacker and Stunner Agents and Wengines, so it's a good play for me to just build what I have. I think I'll consider pulling for Burnice since I like her and I want to try her in a mono-Fire team while I wait for other Anomaly Agents, but maybe near the end of her banner after I've seen 1.4 drip marketing.
I honestly think disorder teams will eventually switch around the two anomaly agents based on what they're fighting. Burnice can work well with on fielders like piper/jane or grace/yanagi. Still waiting for ether and ice anomaly agents to round out the roster. Because grace exists, i'm not going for Yanagi because they fill similar roles, where an ice or ether agent gives new coverage.
@@BardianAngel Yeah. It's a long play. I think disorder's gonna be a fine way to play. Just gotta wait for the right pieces.
Yanagi is going to be so much fun! I love her design!
i was thinking of going for Burnice but looking at Yanagi it seems like she's going to be the raiden shogun of ZZZ, which means she's going to be a DPS disorder monster
Yea but yanagi really need burnice to perform at a top level, yanagi without burnice is pretty mid….
new intro is cooking
Oof, Yanagi is Disorder reliant? I already thought her account value would be low since Burnice is so much more versatile, but needing an S rank to have a solid or above team, just makes Yanagi’s account value drop to the ground. I hope these aren’t final, otherwise the only reason to pull for her would be because you like her and/or you have Burnice
I am getting Burnice for my Jane team because I like her and I can use her on the second team when needed. That said, do you that it would be better to get Yanagi or lighter? I was wanting to go for lighter just because I thought it would be fun to play him with Burnice and and Lucy for a short time. I think Yanagi is cool too I just was unsure of if she is pull worthy rn.
If u have Jane and burnice probably better off getting yanagi
I really dislike how not all grace's normals apply electric and theres no way to skip to her N3 so I will probably go for Yanagi.
Nah, I'd pull (Yanagi for Jane even if it's not best pairing *hopium* )
That’s what I’m doing too. Caesar burned all my polychromes and have no more for Burnice
yanagi + jane = ellen + zhu yuan
zero sinergy using 2 hipercarry on-field
@@miuiruma273 damn I was hoping Yanagi would be both a dps and work as a support as early leaks suggest.
@@miuiruma273 Not entirely true, sure it does less damage than hyper jane or with burnice but yanagi + jane technically interact with each other with disorder and can activate each other core passives, supports like Lucy also are very good for anomaly, While ZY and Ellen, lets just say one of them will not have their core or BiS support.
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So what I'm hearing in this video is that my sense of taste leading to both Burnice and Yanagi Activating my Neurons will be rewarded with Yanagi's best support? Solid.
(Assuming I manage to pull Yanagi. Skipped both Jane and Caesar, so I'm confident I'll be able to get Burnice, it's just unfortunate for me that Yanagi's banner immediately follows. Probably.)
Calculations be damned! I’m running Caesar, Piper, Yanagi for ultimate fun!
Enjoy
@@KetteiThe7th_ Thanks! I’m hoping to keep pulling for Caesar to at least get M6 Piper and M1 Caesar, then I’ll save up for Yanagi! I lucked out on a double Tusks of Fury as well so I’ve got W2 for Caesar and W5 for Piper. I can’t wait for Yanagi
They really in a tight spot to release a fire offield character after Xiangling hahaha
Sorry to ask, but do you have the damage calculations for Jane Doe-Burnice-Caesar so I can compare with the calculations for Yanagi-Burnice-Caesar? Great vid btw!
Its very similar only losing out by 5-20% depending on the situation
MOM GET THE CAMERA!!!!
all i know is im deliberately fking myself up by saving hard for lighter🔥🔥🔥
Ive seen how disorder can pop tf off with Jane n Seth so i know Yanagi n Burnice boutta be so OP
I'm 100% going for burnice after losing to Jane and skipping Caesar. But I need to see Yanagi's kit to know if I should go for her. I have no doubt she'll be much better than grace, but
Miyabi
It states a lot about the state of Physical DPS, Anomaly Phys is outright outclassing them, Nekomata being outclassed by Piper from day 1, and Jane being a better DPS than any current Physical "DPS", Physical agents (and potentially fire ones) need their own dedicated Nicole/Soukaku but instead on the forseeable (leeks) future all we see is more disorder oriented characters.
Crit physical dps is in a bad spot. Nekomata is their only S agent and she's the worst standard character. She's pretty underwhelming compared to any other S rank in the game. Even Corin can outperform Nekomata.
Dude what do you want me to do? Yanagi and Burnice release back to back.
I want you to have fun and enjoy the game, I’m not telling you what to do, I’m just simply presenting the information is all. As long as u get the characters u want and have fun then your good to go homie
@@KetteiThe7th_for sure. Thanks
From a purely play style perspective, I think two on-fields is better. The gameplay is already very simple. More complexity will keep me entertained longer. The whole reason I was drawn to disorder teams is because it's slightly less straight forward.
Everything else is just a balancing issue.
If you find it more fun then go for it! But one on field and one off field is just simply better
But fun is more important so hope u enjoy!
IMHO, as of now, disorder only works best on Shock and Burn. These are the only 2 debuffs (Corruption too but there's no reliable Ether Anomaly) that benefit the best with Disorder. Jane doesn't really need Disorder since she can pretty much kill everything with her Assault.
Yea, that’s why I said burnice isn’t necessary for her lol
Hi Kettei, love the vids
I am planning to pull for Burnice, I already have Grace in this case. Can the third member be Rina or is it better to use Caesar?
@BlackBear14332 you need to use Rina or Grace won’t get her passive active, but ice will get her passive active through Grace and Grace will activate Rina passive
And Ty for your support!
RIP Adventurine pfp
4 piece freedom blues on Jane or Yanagi will work together fine.
It’ll work for sure, but the damage difference between Jane/yanagi and yanagi/burnice is massive. Your better off running Jane with another buffer as yanagi only holds her back. But if you’re just a waifu enjoyer then I hope u have fun!
@@KetteiThe7th_I am a waifu enjoyer! But I also have a good reason for skipping Burnice. I'm going for Yanagi because pulling for her will enable dps Soukaku shenanigans. 2 carries for pulling 1. So all I'll need is a fire dps, as opposed to going for Burnice, and needing an electric and ice dps.
i just got caesar and i got 2 characters back to back before her. i dont want to gamble on burnice bcs i really want yanagi. i'll make her work with jane.
And you can, just give Jane or Yanagi 4 piece freedom blues.
Man this sucks, I just got to 15k and was debating if going for cesar or burnice, then skipping yanagi and lighter to save again. Got zhu yuan and Jane, and lost the other 2. Now everyone sees and says that yanagi is going to be incredible (specially with burnice) and don't know anymore.
Still thinking of going for burnice to boost Jane but missing on Cesar and yanagi.
Burnice doesn’t need yanagi to be a great unit, yanagi kinda needs burnice as of right now
I really don't think I'll be able to pull for both Burnice and Yanagi, especially if Yanagi drops in phase 1 of the next patch. Of the two, I just like Yanagi a lot more, it sucks so much that I'd have to pull for a character immediately before her just to play her competitively. I will have to go for at least one of them on an eventual rerun, and I wanted that to be Burnice, but as things look right now it seems like Yanagi is the one that will have to wait
You can make yanagi work without burnice it’s just worse is all
Don't worry about being competitive it's a single player game, just pull for the characters you like more. It's possible to solo all the content on the game right now.
Yes you can solo all the content in the game, I’m just simply presenting the information we have on yanagi and Burnice is all
Any thoughts on the anomaly cooldown application on enemies? The one that's inherent to any anomaly. Do you think it's a non-issue?
It’s a non issue if your keeping up with it, if anomaly didn’t have a cooldown it would be to unbalanced
I know that it would be suboptimal to run yanagi with jane but dammit, i just wanna have fun
That’s the most important thing!
That's what I'm doing too! All the content in the game is soloable so even suboptimal stuff will work. Just give Jane or Yanagi 4 piece freedom blues.
Yanagi will be the kafka of Zzz....lemme explain
If we take anomaly as similar to dot then burnice and other anomaly characters are gonna be the ones who apply dot and Yanagi is the one who's gonna proc the disorder damage which is similar to kafka's procs after other dot units apply their respective dot statuses
Difference being kafka procs each dot separately and yanagi just procs the overall damage at once....
I’ve said this already in a previous comment to someone lol
@@KetteiThe7th_ good to know that we are on the same page
Well atleast you can pair alot of anomaly dps than attackers who cant pair with other attackers because its unnecessary for attackers. Physical anomaly is better with ether and ice because they buff damage like crit damage and frequency attacks. Burn is Dot, lightning is the same but you need to frequently attack to activate dot lightning. Ill be sadly skipping yanagi and burnince because i feel like they will fall off in a year especially for yanagi when she is just slightly buff version of grace with disorder. Yanagi and burnice would work together well but only in disorder procs not in buffing each other damage (jane buffs ally phys. Assault by critting and M4 anomaly team buff)
@@accompolice4694 it is still better tho to run Jane as the only physical in the team as running Piper or neko takes away field time from Jane and your so much better off just replacing them with another buffer. When I saw the DPS sheets for Jane/Piper team or Jane/neko team I was severely disappointed… you lose almost 50% dmg compared to just running Jane with 2 buffers. If they ever make an off field physical in the future then it could potentially work
@@KetteiThe7th_ yep hoping the future physical anomaly wont disappoint, possibly they will make them into disorder team just like yanagi's kit
i do not believe miyabi is not the best partner for yanagi, as we know, seth is with jane, zhuyuan with qingyi
Your going to be disappointed then, and it’s like u forgot soukaku exists to be played with Miyabi
What do you think about Yanagi, Burnice and Alexandrina team?
Solid team
I will never pull Yanagi, the ether anomaly idol better be a disorder meta too
I don’t blame u
Nah, got Zhu Yuan and Jane already so I'm skipping them all for Miyababy🐱
GL!
Can't wait to skip burnice and pull yanagi purely for her naginata. sorry burnice but I gotta have something left over for miyabi.
Now I just can't decide between Caesar or Burnice for my Jane 😢
Caesar is more comfortable burnice can “potentially” have higher dps
@@KetteiThe7th_ i will keep that in mind, thanks
I got my main team with Jane Seth Qingyi, and my second team with 11, Koleda and Lucy
I simply dont know who to pull anymore ?
I think Burnice would be nice to parry with Jane, but it would make Qingyi useless in the team, if I pull Yanagi I will probably need to build another team(?)
Any suggestions?
Save and wait till u see what’s in patch 1.4
@@KetteiThe7th_ Legends says it will be Harumasa and Miyabi probably, I really dont know anymore lol
Probably save for future agents as you said its the best option because sooner or later they will drop something interesting
Truly, spoken in true meta propaganda. Just kidding, still just gonna pull for the characters I like, I'd rather not meddle with meta again, especially in MiHoYo's games.
Never tried to force meta, just simply going over their numbers and team synergies
If you said she is sub DPS than you not played her right or right enough!! She is the main off field DPS through and through
Numbers don’t lie, but is a sub dps, but if you would like to lie to yourself to feel better then go ahead!
When I get Burnice and put her with my Jane and Grace ima call it GyattAnomaly?
Well damn
I saw a reddit video with burnice and jane - it's a double disorder damage event - but still the damage numbers from disorder procs are extremely high.
In the video Jane did over a million disorder damage inside 3 seconds.
Mu future team will be burnice, rina, yanagi
Do you think i should be pulling for burnice or lighter? I have s11 and m6 lucy build, but I'm planning to build piper as her ex will make lucy's boar rain like crazy. I'm not pulling for caesar because I won't have enough polychromes
Burnice would work for your s11 and piper teams
Lighter will be better for S11, Burnice will be better for Piper. It fully depends on who you wanna commit to.
@@ProtoTypeFM i think I'll pull for burnice since I like piper+lucy more. I'll try pulling yanagi or grace for a disorder team
@@ebiooo in that case, aren't you still better off rolling for an early Caesar ? Her value isnt tied to Piper, but Piper is one of her banner chars, in case you dont have her cinema maxed yet. Worst case, you'll miss her and build up pity for Burnice, best case, you get Caesar, who works in many comps and is apparently Pipers biggest upgrade.
@@ProtoTypeFM problem is, I don't have any wengines for her, and I don't really like her playstyle (though her shield is amazing good for piper). Also, piper doesn't really feel good as an on-field as her attacks are slow, so changing between piper-lucy-burnice would be more fun in my opinion. Plus, I just found out that burnice's ex also made lucy's boar rain
i havent even built piper, anomaly just feels weird to me
Piper cleared shiyu 7 in 32 seconds for me lol
@@KetteiThe7th_ i cleared all end game with just zhuyuan/anby/nico and ellen team, so i havent really felt the need to build another team
I cant get lighter yanagi AND burnice what the heck :(
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Hi Kettei *bonk* 🔨
dang what i do lol
so, it's better to pull Caesar than Burnice for jane? rn i still cant decide on who i should pull tho
Eh, for Jane you can really pull either one she’s super flexible.
I'd say since she's so flexible, run soukakou jane and seth for right now, skip Caesar, and get burnice. That way, you can also get yanagi later if you want, and you have a good jane team right now. Unless you just really like Caesar.
Like I said above....Caesar will buff Jane's attack plus she will give Jane the Shield and keep her from being interrupted. Since you want Jane on the field most of the time....I think Caesar is a little better than Burnice for Jane overall because you get your atk buff AND survivability too. Nothing stopping you from running Burnice AND Caesar though....well besides the inevitable card swipe.
And like I told you above it’s really down to skill, if your playing poorly then Caesar will win but if your playing well the 2 teams sheet almost identically
@@KetteiThe7th_ I get what you are saying but even if you play well you can make a mistake or have a button press that doesn't register....etc. The Caesar team is simply more forgiving. And that added survivability is valuable since if a char dies there is no dps from it at all and if it's Jane you may as well restart.
Why does Jane do significant dps more than yanagi
Because if you use them together yanagi can’t proc disorder as much, that’s why yanagi dmg is significantly higher with burnice
@@KetteiThe7th_ I mean Jane teams and Yanagi teams with Burnice
Idk what u mean then, Jane teams are slighter lower dps the yanagi burnice team right now
@@KetteiThe7th_ Ok got it ty
Nice vid asf
Ty!
How would you compare Jane and Caesar to Burnice and Yanagi?
@@ssal4509 pretty similar
@@KetteiThe7th_ I'd say very different....Caesar is going to buff Jane's dmg and Jane is going to be doing direct damage as main dps. Where Both Burnice and Yanagi are going to be doing Dot damage and likely have Seth or some other support to buff their dmg. It's kinda like two sub dps vs a main dps. Should be really fun though.
If your are getting the max amount of disorders in the team then the teams sheet pretty identical, only way Jane Caesar performs better than Jane burnice is if you play poorly, which some people might so Caesar is definitely easier to get the most out of
@KetteiThe7th_ so would you say if played properly a Jane, Seth, Caesar team should perform about the same to like a Yinagi, Burnice, Caesar team?
Need to wait to see if they nerf or buff yanagi, i don’t want to say yes or no now cause they can easily derail her or giga buff her in the coming weeks
Why did you say ugly on 0:24 😡😡😡(I'm joking)
I would recommend get burnice and if possible skip yanagi for now as they are both next to each other as she has so much potential however bad timing as 1.2 is more stacked than 1.3 . I'd also like to see as Grace still being useful for hitting multiple enemies
Why did you say ugly on 0:24 😡😡😡
nice joke lol
Don't fall for Hoyo's trap. They always makes it seems like all these agents are essential when it's actually not.
@@Zelphyn never said they were essential, just simply going over their numbers and team synergies
Will disorder be meta. I just want whatever miyabi will be meta with. So I guess Ice and Fire 🔥 🧊
I will pull burnice but might be skip 1.3 banner because i already have m1 grace + her sign and already have koleda 🥲