1:48 Caesar's attack buff only affects the active character. ("The shield lasts for 60s and is equipped by the on-field character, with its value shared among all squad members.") ("While Radiant Aegis is active, the shield bearer's ATK is increased by 1,000. After Radiant Aegis expires, this buff remains for an additional 5s.") So off-field characters should not be affected by it.
Had to stop at watching the video after hearing this as i main Caesar since she matches my playstyle. Burnice is a good character. If you want the girls from SoC then get her. If you want a pyromaniac then get her. If you want that airhead flamethrower tottin girl, get her. If she is your waifu in this game, get her. Anything else, skip her.
But it affects all characters, and not just the one you initially switch into, unlike for example Soukaku. Honestly I'd be surprised if stuff like Burnice's afterburn doesn't snapshot at the time of application, and as such is affected by Caesar buff. Same with Burnice's ult, it probably snapshots at the time of casting the skill, and doesn't update past initial cast. It would kinda be counterintuitive to the otherwise obvious same faction synergy if it doesn't actually synergize well, and definitely not how Hoyo usually operates with these things. Ofc I could be wrong and the data is already there and it doesnt snapshot but that would be a super weird design choice.
@@crazykim I've actually tested this in game. Afterburn doesn't snapshot as it will drop damage after Lucy's buff drops. If it did snapshot, the buff dropping shouldn't effect it. That being said Caesar's atk buff is extremely important for Burnice's Burn damage as that will snapshot her stats on accumulation. The main difference is the player should not' overly rely on afterburn to build up burn. But tbh, Burnice shouldn't rely on afterburn for burn anyhow. Her burn accumulation via afterburn is very slow (25% at her base AM against fire weak normal enemies). It is always better to use Caesar's shield buff and ability to tank damage to instead use her Hold Normal or her EX skill to either use/build up her bar. It is also important to remember that Caesar brings a lot of dmg buffs that will affect afterburn. It just so happens that the BIS for damage for Burnice is Caesar and Lucy though this isn't the best overall damage for her.
@@goblez5900 At this point, if bro dedicated enough, he's beating the shit of any content with only A rank Agents lol. S agents are just to make content easier, due to the nature of the game they can't let the content be impossible to do without them, it all depends on how you play and how your characters are built.
I love making this point against people saving for characters for "value". I'm not sure if it's more ridiculous in games like this where we don't know the details on most of the upcoming characters, even with leaks, so there's no proper planning to do more than a month in advance, or if it's more ridiculous in games where the game has been out for a half a year to a year already in another region so we know exactly what the next few chars are and how they fit in the meta. The latter always seems particularly dumb because by the time the next big meta char is on there's usually another blatantly better one in a few months. "Save for X in a few months." *X releases* "actually save for Y" *Y releases* "actually save for Z". Repeat until EoS and you're still playing with standard banner chars only.
If she's bait I'm a fish. I got over 70 pulls worth polychromes stockpiled, I will be fine unless extremely unlucky. I'm skipping Yanagi this time around. I want Miyabi and I'm curious about that dude from Section 6 because he may have two stances- melee and ranged ones which sounds really fun.
70 pulls is not guaranteed, I would save at least 115-120 pulls to get a character. On average it's like 1 S-Rank every 60 or so pulls. So it's almost 50/50 you would not get her. Not "extremely unlucky".
@@chillax319 that isn't luck related though, you basically are either averagely unlucky by losing your 50/50 and you don't farm enough polychromes in time to hit second pity or you do
@@chillax319 Pro Hoyo gacha tip, if you don't have at least a total of 160 pulls (including pity and/or guarantee), do not assume you have it in the bag.
The thing I don't see people talking about is M6 Lucy. 1.2 changed her passive where her boars inherit her anomaly proficiency, meaning her attack from M6 can now continuously inflict fire anomaly while also giving you another character slot. At minimum, this makes her a poor man's Burnice.
@@someoneinasia Or you're lucky before Burnice's banner. I just so happened to get to M3 before getting M4 from Cheesetopia and just happened to get M5 from a pull. If you're saving poly for Burnice, you might as well go for M6 Lucy while you're at it.
5:15 THIS here exactly. People should try this before pulling for Burnice. Disorder comps even with Burnice demand more mental focus and APM (actions-per-minute, for the lack of a better term) compared to other team comps. The best way I found to maximize disorder was to switch to the other anomaly agent right after triggering an anomaly. With back-to-back disorders, you will easily fill 3000 decibels, so you immediately switch to Burnice, then ult and quick assist the other anomaly agent. On top of that, you have to switch to your support every now and then to refresh your de/buffs. I like this complex play style, but some people may find this awkward or annoying.
Isn't a traditional crit/stun team, where you have to arrange your max burst damage to fall within the stun window, approximately the same focus and APM?
@@papacharlie-niner148 For disorder teams, you're monitoring the anomaly meters and swapping characters whenever the anomaly meter fills or almost fills, and those fill a lot faster than daze. You need to pay attention whether you're going to dodge and stay on the same agent, or assist and swap agents when the attack indicator shows up. If you want to even take it further, you also swap cancel skills with long animations into another anomaly agent, giving them both additional field time in rotations.
This is pretty much exactly how I play. I love disorder teams - basically all my team comps and strategies are built around how I can do the most damage through constant disorders. It’s fantastic.
@@sanosuke1981 Jane was intro into anomaly. Nobody cared about it when most have Shark girl and Zhu yuan. Interesting to see what kind of builds, team setups, combo rotations and routes for proc disorder meta waifus.
You're my favorite ZZZ content creator. Your videos are short, informative, filled with lighthearted humor, relaxing, and most of all, relatable. You really speak to the FTP and low spender audience and I love your perspective. Keep doing what you're doing
For reference, Electric and Ether are the best elements for Disorders followed closely by Fire. Physical and Ice have very bad Disorder damage scalings but high Anomaly Attribute proc scalings to balance it out. So based on this Burnice is a better-suited teammate for Yanagi and Grace than Jane Doe or Piper. We have also yet to get an Ether Anomaly so keep that in mind as well.
Going off of just elements, yes. But going off of kit as well, Piper will be a pretty good f2p teammate for her given her multiple fast damage ticks during her spin as well as being able to apply Anomaly very fast once she gets going. Plus her ult isn't all that special which encourages you to opt for Burnice's ult to assist back into Piper.
@@goblez5900 Yeah I don't think Jane and Piper are bad pairs, just not most optimal. Also, characters who can extend Anomaly duration like Burnice/Rina I have calculated to provide a 20%-60% increase in disorder damage based on Time Passed since the Anomaly Attribute Proc. It just looks like the way things are heading, Electric, Ether, and Fire will be the disorder elements while Physical and Ice will have more of a "hypercarry" feel. Again Disorders are still fine with Physical and Ice because the large Anomaly Attribute damage makes up for it, it's just unlikely to have future relevancy in "disorder teams".
I was fully committed to just getting Caesar and saved up heavily, but then I got the luck of my life and pulled her on pull #2. Now I’m being greedy and thinking about trying to get both Burnice and the Yanagi. These videos help temper expectations a lot though so thank you for that!
I would say Burnice is probably better than both Lighter and Yanagi. People have already done some playing around and found from what we know of Yanagi, unless she has an off-field Anomaly agent like burnice to pair with she is kinda trash. As for Lighter, he is kind of Lycaon tier. Good to have but not exceptionally strong, unless of course you also pull for his engine or m1.
@@goblez5900 More importantly, and I feel people miss this part way too often, electric anomaly and fire stun are roles already filled by current characters, and those characters you're already in possession of or will be within a not too distant future most likely. If jane is anything to go by they are just barely upgrades over the current same roles. I already blew through the Jane intended content with Piper, and then Caesar released and made Jane largely pointless except for ass.
"Looking at the trial, she could be better built." Me when I get a 3rd character with worse substats than the trial characters: But yeah, plan's unchanged. Burnice lookin' rad is a bonus. I still want M6 Lucy and Nicole above all... But, if my luck is so gosh darn bad that I get a Burnice or two on the way, well golly gee, so be it.
I keep skipping characters bc everyone keeps saying “you should probably skip this character unless it benefits your account direction” but now, 3 months in, I still don’t have a single banner character and thusly have no clue what my account direction should be to make an informed decision. The only S ranks I have are Neko, Lycaon, and Koleda who I got on accident trying to C6 Anby.
Maybe just commit to a direction that appeals to you? If you like Burnice in the trial stuff then pull her, but just be prepared to also pull Yanagi for her (but if you've been saving for 3 months, that should be fine).
You should probably start ignoring the phrases "Must-pull" and "you should probably skip." Just ask yourself these two questions: 1) Do you like the character on banner? 2) Does their kit sound like fun? If yes to either, probably pull, if yes to both, definitely.
Zzz usually have current banners that'll work with current game modes. And upcoming banners Wil usually work with current banner. Choose a character you like and get them The game will do the rest for you.
Pull what you like and then build around it. I don't think there's really been a "bad" limited unit thus far, so pretty much anyone can be a starting point. I would recommend Caesar, but I dunno if you want a third stunner so soon.
The direction is to clear all endgame content for farming more polys, if your account is doing that right now, then you are fine. If not, you should get 2 strong dps and build 2 teams around it , or getting characters that helps your existing teams. For example if you have a neko team. You definitely need Caesar for damage buffing and survival.
A wise man said "throw away your medicine, listen to the voice, do what you want, makes life more interesting and full of action" though I dont remember who said that, I just heard that when I was alone in my room.
There is a gooood chance the impression of her being bait ages as well as the impression people had of Jane at first, that she was "mid". Anomaly agents are much more versatile than standard attacker units, and after realizing how much better the game feels when I can completely ignore the daze mechanic, I don't think I'll be investing hard into any attackers moving forward. The only downside is when we have to deal with mandragoras, so I guess I'll just build the third wheel support in anomaly teams with dps stats for this one in a million scenario lol. Another thing skewing her banner value is the fact she's running right after the very first limited S rank "support" in the game, who many people see as the second coming of Christ even though we're just 3 months into the game's lifespan
I feel like mihoyo will introduce bosses or elites that are immune to anomalies (we already have them in the game, I think one of them is on shiyu defense - the immobile ethereal that buff shield on other ethereals). If that happens, attacker units will be needed and recommended at those type of bosses/elites
@@korosensei3590 Yeah those are the mandragoras. It isn't out of the realm of possibility but introducing higher tier enemies that completely ignore anomaly would be the scammiest move possible though, we already have resistances to shuffle around (and anomaly agents do perform worse than attackers when facing something that resists their element), making it so that an entire class of agents cant deal ANY damage is beyond retarded and would just bring them unnecessary backlash
I'm not afraid; Zenless Zone Zero is actually the only gacha game I've played where I get every single character I truly pull. I say "truly" because the only agents I don't have are the ones from N.E.P.S because I just didn't play the game much during those days. (Keep in mind I'm not eligible for most of the in-game events, I haven't played the story much :P)
She’s the cutest character in the game so far, easiest pull ever. I’ve skipped every limited unit since Ellen anyway and still been clearing Shiyu so it’s fine. Piper Burnice Lucy is based. After that, probably saving for the virtual idol faction.
mate same i have caeser and shark girl but i skipped everyone else because the second i saw that motorcycle gang i was like yup i am getting every single character from there 120 pulls for burnice and by the time she comes up i will probably have enough for hard pity 180 pulls aint no way i am missing her, kinda wanted to pull quingy and coop girl at the time but i resisted Edit: just got her relics built she has 315 anomaly proficiency without any w engines and all the right main stats
exactly my plan lol, getting the fire gremlin and skipping the whole section 6 for idol faction. there was a leak that one of them(and high chance it's the 5* one too) is an ether anomaly anyway so it might be fine to skip yanagi.
Love the background music and vibes of your videos. I end up listening to them while doing chores even when I've already made that gacha decision, just for the chill vibes, and cause I might learn something I don't know.
Every character will be bait if you consider Future characters... In the end everyone pulls for who they like the most or to teams they want... It doesn't make Sense telling how good she IS in one video and in another telling she IS bait
Thats not always the case look at Genshin Kazuha and Zhongli are still relevant and they are 1.x characters even Xianling and Benette or Childe. ZZZ is a game skill based game so thats ok,if a character is viable for more than 6 months thats good by gacha Standards
It does make sense, because the value always changes between accounts. Clueless players will hear endless glazing and pull, then not understand what went wrong when their account is not suited for a certain character at all, to no fault of the character's or the balance. A good creator like this one will cover every base with the relevant info.
Burnice wanters may want to consider getting Rina on their 5 star selector, as she extends shock duration which should make it easier to hit consistent disorders when paired with Grace or Yanagi. As someone who has been toying around with disorder teams since 1.0, lining up the timing for applications has been the trickiest thing to pull off consistently.
@@ChaosLightspeed Yeah, after actually getting to play around with Burnice's different comps, the shock disorder with Grace and Rina really just doesn't work as her other comps. Maybe Yanagi will bring up Rina's value for the comp, but hard to say until she's live.
@@pulledporc5334 I'd argue that Lucy is probably a mainstay simply because of her buff affecting ALL teamates honestly. I don't know how that pen% ratio from Rina factors against a 600 ATK increase math-wise but I think if someone is at the point of using their S rank selector, there's better value to be had over Rina.
@@ChaosLightspeed It's possible the Pen ratio is slightly better bc it's a harder stat to get but I doubt it's a major upgrade from the A rank buffers. Lucy is definitely easier to obtain, and I imagine Seth will be a good option for electro disorder teams too. My experience with Rina so far is that while she is good she feels niche to shock teams, so depending on what someone has on their account they might get better value from some of the other standard banners like Lycaon instead. Neat for people who want to get more experimental with team comps, though.
Wait, they come back? I thought their a one time thing. Jeez, I got so scared realizing theres only 3 days for Burnice and I still need 26 pulls with a 50/50 thats NOT guaranteed
I would argue she is the exact opposite of bait given some of the experimentation people have put her through already. Burnice is basically the cornerstone character for the disorder Anomaly team archetype. The problem before with disorder was that most Anomaly characters are very field hungry so swapping between any two of what is currently available always feels like a DPS loss when an off-field supporter like Seth or Lucy could offer more from the limited field time they have available when on a Jane team. Now with Burnice we finally have the missing key to unlock that potential. I would say she will probably go very well with both Yanagi and also possibly miyabi in the not so distant future.
yeah triggering 2-3 disorders in one rotation on Lucy C6 piper C6 and Burnice is what I needed, because the daze buildup from disorders finally makes it easy for for me to not have to run a stun character to give me some breathing room to regain energy.
i just tried running Burnice,Jane,Soldier 11 in the trial. that experiment sold me on burnice. it was a ton of fun. i love the high action and reaction based play style of disorder comps and its super satisfying when i can nail the timing on it.
I got the character that I wanted the most right at the start, Nekomata, and I'm very happy with her. But after that I lost my 50/50 for Zhu Yuan and only got like 4 W-Engines that I don't need in the Standard-Banner. I still have fun with the game (mainly thanks to Nekomata and the Story-Content), but I started to get a little sad with my luck. Then I found your channel and was hocked with your intro-speech and relatable way you talk about the game. And now I'm motivated again to save my polychrom and started to plan ahead what characters I really want. So thank you for your content!
I wasn't going to pull for Burnice, but she works so well with the characters I already have, and frees up some characters I want to pair up with Lighter as well (and after trying her out in game, she's pretty fun!)
simple answers: - i like them, they look cool/hot so I'll summon. - i like their gameplay/mechanic, I'll get them - I'm a whale, I'll get all the characters the "you're f2p and you focus more on performance and getting the most of what you get" guide: 1. get caesar, she's good all around. 2. do you have more than 1 built dps (ellen, zhu yuan, jane, soldier 11)? - if yes then burnice is optional - if no then get burnice. 3. are you planning on getting yanagi? - if yes then it can be assumed you're building a disorder team, getting burnice would be beneficial. - if no, then ignore this question and go back to no. 2.
Great video :) It's great to have the for and the against pulling :) Personally, I will pull for Burnice as I really like the sons of Calydon :) The only issue that I have with her is that I can only have 3 Calydons in a single team
yeah shes my first limited 5 star and all these videos are making me feel like i made a bad decision, but shes doing well... im only level 32 though... 😭
Nice analysis. I have not been able to pull a single W-engine since so many synergized character banners are next to each other. Burnice -> Yanagi -> Lighter could also be a strong team too. Literally back to back.
I will pull no question. I like her and her bakery. Also, I fell in love with the anomaly play style, so I am most likely will try to pull on anomaly characters in the future.
@@AverageLuckGamer Yeah her design is just uninspired and I'm already getting my Disorder fix with Jane. Plus if I wanted am electric attacker of sorts I'd rather see what Harumasa is like
I am a miyabi saver but I've bought the monthly pack twice (gives 90 polychrome daily for 30 days) so I'm set to pull Burnice and hopefully enough for Miyabi since I'm guaranteed for Burnice & 50/50 on Miyabi
I pulled on Jane's banner and got Grace, Jane and Jane's weapon in a very lucky pulling session (around 120 pulls for all three). Now I'll try my luck for Burnice, but only until the first 5*. If it's her, then I'm happy, if not, I'll still get some Mindscapes for Lucy and Nicole, pulls have a guaranteed for Miyabi! Positive thoughts only! ☺
Loved the video! Also, please, I need help, I can't stop thinking about the song you put in your intro. I have it on the tip of my tongue and it's driving me crazy.
Not really on topic, but I'm kinda disappointed with how much ZZZ's meta is leaning towards Anomaly/Disorder, but that's on me I guess, since I expected raw damage would be as viable.
I actually kinda agree. It would be good to have more of a mix, but I think the reason they are doing it is to drive sales as anomaly works well with other anomaly so therefore, we've got a whole bunch of anomaly.
I really didnt read the course buffs when I was testing rotations with Jane and Burnice. Did not know that disorder was buffef. PIISH also had some calcs that showed Jane, Seth, Lucy had similar dpr as Jane, Seth, and Burnice ( I have no intention of getting Caesar or seperating Jane and Seth). I can skip Burnice for Lighter with no problem. If anything, use a few pulls to get cinemas on Nicole and Lucy. Great video
Average luck gamer to the rescue I was almost swayed by all the "burnice is a must pull" videos but having watched this I can stay strong once more for my section 6 dream team
People underrating Burnice often ignore how much value her being able to do a lot of anomaly while off field brings. Off field dps for Disorder is huge, and shes the only one we have or know is coming anytime soon.
I saw a video the other day talking about Yanagi's kit and how it's specifically about increasing the damage of disorder. So, yeah, they're definitely meant to go together. So much so that Yanagi doesn't really perform nearly as well well with anyone else. Just going from a pure numbers perspective, Yanagi's damage is dramatically higher when paired with Burnice over any other disorder character currently in the game.
From the leaks Yanagi looks to boost Disorder damage multipliers that looks to be in a similar-ish fashion to Qingyi boosting stun damage multipliers. From the descriptions it does sound like she'd be fighting with Jane for field time, which isn't ideal, so she might pair better with Burnice. Also worth considering that also leaked was that a future agent is going to be Ether Anomaly and so far every Anomaly agent but Jane is very dependent on their EX Special for their rotation.
She's fun and she's hot (both literally and figuratively), definitely worth the 300 pulls I've saved. Hoping I won't have to use too many though, aiming for one copy and pulling on weapon banner for Lucy's signature, might try for Burnice's signature depending on how good it is.
I’m in a weird spot where I pulled for Zhu Yuan and Caesar, but no-one else. On the other hand, both Piper and Lucy are at M6 for me. Basically, I can run a stacked Calydon team for Hollow Zero Blitz, or I can run a balanced Zhu Yuan/Caesar/Nicole team alongside a Piper/Nekomata (or Koleda)/Lucy team for Shiyu Defense. Burnice would work well with how I play, but I’m not all that crazy for her personality or design, just a bit too much “Harley Quinn” for my tastes. Yanagi is a bit too boring on all fronts for me. Plus, I just pulled Grace, probably my favorite character personality-wise because she’s just like me fr (engineer, obsessive about technical topics, chaotic, terrible sleep schedule, etc). I really want to see what Lighter’s kit looks like, because he seems cool with his personality and backstory. I can see myself using him if he ends up being a hybrid stunner/DPS rather than primarily being a stun unit.
I actually think your right in how they release characters, which is both good and bad. Bad because if you don't pull one, then you miss the character that best synergizes with the one you didn pull, and if you want the other, then you gotta pay. But the good thing is that you can plan this out if your planning to pull on synergies mainly and not really waifus (which is heresy but it is what it is). This means that you can prepare and save for when there's a character you want to get, safe for the major patches enough to get the 2 or 3 characters so you can get the best team synergy around that main DPS character you wanted. For example, for Jane, Caeser and Burnice seem to work really well with her, almost like they were created to work together as was pointed out in the vid. If we know that Jane was coming out, we could have saved for the a major patch or two, like patch 1.0 and 1.1 so that you can have enough to pull for Jane and Caeser at least, and if there is another character that fits in that team, then you'd have to be lucky or spend, but at the very least, you have a way easier time saving so that you can build a team around Jane. Seeing this pattern would actually be really useful for f2p and low spending players. So although I'm going to pull Burnice anyway, this info is actually really helpful and should be driven further if we notice this pattern continuing, as well as when it stops and starts. I think it's going to start with the main DPS character and end with either off field dps or stunner from what it seems. But this pattern is still new, so we'll have to see more to confirm.
I started playing ZZZ 2 weeks ago (because i saw Jane in a YT short of all things XD), burned a 100 to get her and have been loving her playstyle (and game as a whole) since, got lucky on Cesar after 30 pulls, so right now Burnice seems like a good proposition for my beginner (Inter Knot lv 43) account, also after testing her in chapter 4, you can basically assist swap to her, do a hold basic followed by special EX and swap off, seems to take up no field time at all and i loved that.
A bit of misunderstanding that people have about disorder is that your NEED to trigger both anomalies back to back for bigger numbers. This is not true. The reason the number is bigger is because when a dot disorder is triggered any remaining damage from the dot gets rolled into the disorder damage. There's no damage gain, the mechanics just prevent a damage loss.
I'm already prepared for BURNICE specially I have LUCY and PIPER in the team (also RED MOCCUS), it'll be my first DISORDER team since I dont have GRACE or JANE
I personally love anomaly - I still don't have Grace though but I do have Rina and her weapon - I can't wait to make a Grace/Burnice/Rina team eventually getting C2 on burnice with a rerun and going down the pen/disorder route. So I'm still not sure if I want to pull for Yannagi, it depends on if I'm getting Grace in Burnice 50/50 - if that 8.3% chance thing happens, I'm not gonna pull for Yannagi. If I win the 50/50, I may have enough poly to pull for Yannagi, if I lose the 50/50 and not get Grace, I will have to wait at least until Miyabi for another anomaly char. Honestly though - this is the first time I kinda don't mind not winning the 50/50 with burnice, I would pull for her and hope I get to C6 lucy on the way.
My planned team for Burnice is Piper and Lucy. The general idea is to get Lucy to M6 (since she's featured on Burnice's banner). Her M6 makes a boar explode and deal fire damage when an ally uses an EX attack, and this triggers many many times both with Burnice and with Piper's EX's, SO, with that in mind, i'll apply Lucy's buff, then Burnice's afterburn, and that would give Piper 2 sources of fire damage to do with her EX. Making Piper deal an inmense amount of both fire and physical annomaly and become a disorder godess... I think this is going to work great, and all it needs is for pulls on Burnice's banner and to have Piper, which is a 1.0 A rank so you likely already have her (i also got a few more copies of her in Caesar's banner, but that's an extra). So for a f2p team for Burnice i think this will work pretty well. Fingers crossed.
She has many trial combat courses in HIA investigator training for a character that's not yet out. i wish they do this on all upcoming characters moving forward, really helps with pull decision making
I went full send during the jane banner, getting her, her weapon, and Seth to M6. So my account is fully on the Anomaly path. So im passing on Ceasar to get burnice and hopefully yanagi after. If I get both then I will be the anomaly lord.
I've got fully built Jane and semi built Grace, I love Burnice, and I also love just how resource friendly anomaly characters are, so it's a no brainer for me. Yanagi seems cool but right now I don't see my account NEEDING her so I'm fine skipping. Lighter though... I love a fist fighter character so I might be going for him depending on 1.4 banners.
I wanted that last Piper mindscape, did a 10 pull, ended up getting 2 Caesars somehow, great for my DPS Ben so no complaints. I still have 78 pulls, I might still go for Burnice since, y'know, Piper, Lucy M6, disorder, the whole shebang
As a person who started this game 21 days ago, i got caesar and have 3.3k chrome to pull left still. I’m getting burnice(I don’t have a b team for shiyu anyway I need all the agents I can get)
My Core teams so far has been *the* Ice team (Ellen, Lyacon, Sokaku) and what i have been calling Ether Escort (Jane, Anomaly built Nicole and Zhu Yuan). I have been a pretty lucky goldfish so far, I just feel like Nicole herself with the lack of Dennies...
Account-Value is almost the dead-last criteria I go for when I pull characters. In Genshin, Xilonen right now would be the singular-most-valuable unit for me the game has ever released. But am I skipping her to instead save for hugely less value characters that I just vibe with more? Heck yeah! Active Navia main without Xilonen, Yoimiya-lover without Yelan and Nilou enjoyer without Nahida here, lol. And I don't have Kazuha either. Still, a really nice and very insightful video!
Haha, aparently, my pulling plan is to pull all traps caught by ALG :D I don't mean that as counter point, just that as F2P, my pulling play is always for characters whose playstyle I like. I might start pulling for filling compositions roughly 2 years into the game, or later ;) So far, I got Qingyi (I don't enjoy Anby's skill set, mostly because I can't play her well), Jane (I wouldn't pull her if there was a way to get Nekomata as F2P) and plan for Burnice. I mostly like high mobility skill sets and enjoy anomaly characters. Maybe I will go for Disorder comps, but as I only have Piper and Jane as Anomaly, cannot truly put that to test yet.
for the longest time my go-to team was ellen - soukaku - koleda and later qingyi. my second team was soldier 11 with lucy and koleda after i got qingyi. I pulled jane by accident and levelled her but had no real team for her, and even my second team wasn't maxed out yet. the moment i got burnice everything in the game became a joke. i s-ranked every shiyu defense node (all categories), playing through fire resistance without a care. burnice absolutely destroys and bruteforces content with another anomaly on her team (phys probably best). the recent ambush node i was able to bruteforce as well, playing the anomaly team on the side with fire resist. it's silly how much disorder does.
Honestly I decided to pull on Caesar when I was planning on Burnice for one reason and one reason alone: My Ellen team is severely lacking, and Caesar greatly helps with that
I like her play style, but I sort of want to get more information on future characters. I’m lacking 5* dps atm so I’ve been rolling with piper and Anton, but hopefully I find a 5* dps playstyle that can work as a main dps. It looks like burnice is more-so a sub-dps.
I got really lucky early on. My first S tier was Lycaon (the character I wanted the most for the cool factor). I quickly ended up with e1 Lycaon & e6 Soukaku once I rolled enough to get Ellen. I've been using them for everything for a good while now. Saved for Jane Doe, who I've been obsessed with. I rarely waifu roll....but she pushes my buttons. But thankfully she's by far the most fun character to play. Got lucky on getting Caesar in 40 rolls. So now its all on Burnice; then back to saving again. I love the biker style & going from the story trials, she's also super fun to play. So I feel like I'm going to have an absolute blast with her & Jane if I manage to nab her. Yanagi is a bit plain to me. Looks too much like an NPC. so even if she's good, I'll be skipping. Fun factor is a big thing for me. I'll never roll purely for mechanics. I have to like how they look, like how they sound & like how they play. If they're good, then that's just a bonus.
I saved up enough to get both Burnice and Yanagi. Then will try to get Yanagi's signature engine (even if I have to spend a bit to get it). Having a solid Jane+Seth S6 team already. Getting Both Burnice + Yanagi would help me solidify my team 2. (Will use piper instead of Yanagi until her banner becomes available)
1:48 Caesar's attack buff only affects the active character.
("The shield lasts for 60s and is equipped by the on-field character, with its value shared among all squad members.")
("While Radiant Aegis is active, the shield bearer's ATK is increased by 1,000. After Radiant Aegis expires, this buff remains for an additional 5s.")
So off-field characters should not be affected by it.
Darn, I thought Caesar was better than she is! Thanks for the correction.
Had to stop at watching the video after hearing this as i main Caesar since she matches my playstyle.
Burnice is a good character. If you want the girls from SoC then get her. If you want a pyromaniac then get her. If you want that airhead flamethrower tottin girl, get her. If she is your waifu in this game, get her. Anything else, skip her.
But it affects all characters, and not just the one you initially switch into, unlike for example Soukaku.
Honestly I'd be surprised if stuff like Burnice's afterburn doesn't snapshot at the time of application, and as such is affected by Caesar buff. Same with Burnice's ult, it probably snapshots at the time of casting the skill, and doesn't update past initial cast. It would kinda be counterintuitive to the otherwise obvious same faction synergy if it doesn't actually synergize well, and definitely not how Hoyo usually operates with these things.
Ofc I could be wrong and the data is already there and it doesnt snapshot but that would be a super weird design choice.
I've actually thought about that when I was thinking if Lucy's attack would still be increased even if she wasn't on-field.
@@crazykim I've actually tested this in game. Afterburn doesn't snapshot as it will drop damage after Lucy's buff drops. If it did snapshot, the buff dropping shouldn't effect it. That being said Caesar's atk buff is extremely important for Burnice's Burn damage as that will snapshot her stats on accumulation. The main difference is the player should not' overly rely on afterburn to build up burn. But tbh, Burnice shouldn't rely on afterburn for burn anyhow. Her burn accumulation via afterburn is very slow (25% at her base AM against fire weak normal enemies). It is always better to use Caesar's shield buff and ability to tank damage to instead use her Hold Normal or her EX skill to either use/build up her bar.
It is also important to remember that Caesar brings a lot of dmg buffs that will affect afterburn. It just so happens that the BIS for damage for Burnice is Caesar and Lucy though this isn't the best overall damage for her.
ALG: "She's bait."
Me: "And brother, I am all the way on that hook."
@@StevenUlyssesPerhero me too…
YESSSIIIRRERRRRRRR
I'm like Patrick Star to that hook
@@Raikos100 I'm already in that tuna can bro
Naaahh... Staying strong for idol group.
"If I already pulled for Caesar and I'm running low on Polychromes, it would be a bit difficult I think."
"But would you lose?"
"NAH, I'D PULL"
as Someone who saved ever since puling shark girl and never did a singuel other pull i have caeser and 120 pulls for burnice, so yes id pull
Ok and ?@@nuno1327
Zenles Zone Zero wallet money XD
buddy you cant change my mind im pulling for my wife no questions asked
Can't argue with that
Our wife*
And nobody asked lil bro, its a pull value vid
My wife*
Fk off! 🔥🔥🔥
@@1sienobody asked for your input either.
Guys, just wait 5 years and then pull the ultimate endgame (literally) character. Ez
Big brain.
Then time travel back to the present day to complete all the content you failed to S-Rank from not having a good team built.
@@goblez5900 At this point, if bro dedicated enough, he's beating the shit of any content with only A rank Agents lol. S agents are just to make content easier, due to the nature of the game they can't let the content be impossible to do without them, it all depends on how you play and how your characters are built.
@@namls9249 depends you playing on PC or mobile xD
I love making this point against people saving for characters for "value". I'm not sure if it's more ridiculous in games like this where we don't know the details on most of the upcoming characters, even with leaks, so there's no proper planning to do more than a month in advance, or if it's more ridiculous in games where the game has been out for a half a year to a year already in another region so we know exactly what the next few chars are and how they fit in the meta. The latter always seems particularly dumb because by the time the next big meta char is on there's usually another blatantly better one in a few months. "Save for X in a few months." *X releases* "actually save for Y" *Y releases* "actually save for Z". Repeat until EoS and you're still playing with standard banner chars only.
Those golden heels. That busty ult. That crazy smile. That fiery character.
Yea fuck meta. WAIFU ALL IN
Respect man.
Meta for losers, Waifu banzai !!!
Pull for Waifu = 🗿
Got about 16 pulls.
By God's grace, will get her along with Caesar
I believe
We Gotta Support Our Mans Big Dream!! All You King!
@@GachaCafes thank you very much, fam.
@@AverageLuckGamer same 😁😁
RNG gods bless you.
If she's bait I'm a fish.
I got over 70 pulls worth polychromes stockpiled, I will be fine unless extremely unlucky. I'm skipping Yanagi this time around. I want Miyabi and I'm curious about that dude from Section 6 because he may have two stances- melee and ranged ones which sounds really fun.
Good luck!
70 pulls is not guaranteed, I would save at least 115-120 pulls to get a character. On average it's like 1 S-Rank every 60 or so pulls. So it's almost 50/50 you would not get her. Not "extremely unlucky".
@@MrMokey24 I'm close to guaranteed S so even if I fail I will have still time to farm free polychromes to get her.
@@chillax319 that isn't luck related though, you basically are either averagely unlucky by losing your 50/50 and you don't farm enough polychromes in time to hit second pity or you do
@@chillax319 Pro Hoyo gacha tip, if you don't have at least a total of 160 pulls (including pity and/or guarantee), do not assume you have it in the bag.
1:33 "Cake Yuan" is out of pocket, but homie is right.
I thought I got away with that one...
Thanks dood. I just pulled caeser
noice
The thing I don't see people talking about is M6 Lucy. 1.2 changed her passive where her boars inherit her anomaly proficiency, meaning her attack from M6 can now continuously inflict fire anomaly while also giving you another character slot. At minimum, this makes her a poor man's Burnice.
Counterpoint: Use them together for even more burning
Doesnt anomaly proficiency only affect how much damage the anomaly effects do?
@@rawke_s4egyup anomaly mastery is what builds it up faster lol
@@rawke_s4egthey meant that the burn caused by her m6 boars so more dmg if ur built with more ap
@@someoneinasia Or you're lucky before Burnice's banner. I just so happened to get to M3 before getting M4 from Cheesetopia and just happened to get M5 from a pull. If you're saving poly for Burnice, you might as well go for M6 Lucy while you're at it.
Wait, Yanagi is RIGHT AFTER Burnice????? I'm cooked......
5:15 THIS here exactly. People should try this before pulling for Burnice. Disorder comps even with Burnice demand more mental focus and APM (actions-per-minute, for the lack of a better term) compared to other team comps. The best way I found to maximize disorder was to switch to the other anomaly agent right after triggering an anomaly. With back-to-back disorders, you will easily fill 3000 decibels, so you immediately switch to Burnice, then ult and quick assist the other anomaly agent. On top of that, you have to switch to your support every now and then to refresh your de/buffs. I like this complex play style, but some people may find this awkward or annoying.
Isn't a traditional crit/stun team, where you have to arrange your max burst damage to fall within the stun window, approximately the same focus and APM?
It's really not that complicated bro, switching characters is the first thing the game teaches you lmao
Nah, the trick is to not look at the anomaly buildup and then get big dopamine hits when big disorder numbers happen
@@papacharlie-niner148 For disorder teams, you're monitoring the anomaly meters and swapping characters whenever the anomaly meter fills or almost fills, and those fill a lot faster than daze. You need to pay attention whether you're going to dodge and stay on the same agent, or assist and swap agents when the attack indicator shows up. If you want to even take it further, you also swap cancel skills with long animations into another anomaly agent, giving them both additional field time in rotations.
This is pretty much exactly how I play. I love disorder teams - basically all my team comps and strategies are built around how I can do the most damage through constant disorders. It’s fantastic.
"You'd only enjoy Burnice if you enjoy palying around anomaly."
Me, a Piper Worshiper: Sounds like an an absolute win!
Piper, Jane Doe. Burnice is music to my ears.
But what if, someone is prioritising pulls based on cup size?
Asking for a friend.
I'm not answering that, based profile image though.
Comment unclear. Do you pull above or below a certain cupsize
She’d be a higher priority than Qingyi, but lower than Caesar. And about on par with Yanagi. (You can skip Lighter)
Bro I need her, I can't live without her, she's fire, anomaly is so much easier to build, and I love her.
Nothing is stopping me.
Burnice has a really solid banner because Nicole and Lucy are amazing A ranks
Yanagis kit is leaked from beta she is a disorder buffer..she basically doubles disorder damage so yea basically made to be played with Burnice
Yanagi and Burnice team comp is so complicated and I love it.
@@al8704 not sure what you mean by complicated but you just get Burnice s mark on enemies and then onfield Yanagi pretty simple 😁
@@sanosuke1981 Jane was intro into anomaly. Nobody cared about it when most have Shark girl and Zhu yuan. Interesting to see what kind of builds, team setups, combo rotations and routes for proc disorder meta waifus.
Should I pull for Burnice or Yanagi for my Jane, sry I‘m stupid and I still don’t get some things
@@rrxphvel871 Yanagi is more onfield play style so I'd go Burnice for Jane
You're my favorite ZZZ content creator. Your videos are short, informative, filled with lighthearted humor, relaxing, and most of all, relatable. You really speak to the FTP and low spender audience and I love your perspective. Keep doing what you're doing
Thank you so much. That feels like the exact vibe I'm going for, so I'm glad it come across!
@@AverageLuckGamer I agree! You speak very well it's easy to understand! 🙏
f2p*
For reference, Electric and Ether are the best elements for Disorders followed closely by Fire. Physical and Ice have very bad Disorder damage scalings but high Anomaly Attribute proc scalings to balance it out. So based on this Burnice is a better-suited teammate for Yanagi and Grace than Jane Doe or Piper. We have also yet to get an Ether Anomaly so keep that in mind as well.
I did mention that, but maybe I could have made a bigger deal out of it.
@@AverageLuckGamer imma need you to do a vid on just burnice and yanagi like asap sir. M0 with sig Wengine build, combos and all that jazz.
Bro they're not even out 😅@al8704
Going off of just elements, yes. But going off of kit as well, Piper will be a pretty good f2p teammate for her given her multiple fast damage ticks during her spin as well as being able to apply Anomaly very fast once she gets going.
Plus her ult isn't all that special which encourages you to opt for Burnice's ult to assist back into Piper.
@@goblez5900 Yeah I don't think Jane and Piper are bad pairs, just not most optimal. Also, characters who can extend Anomaly duration like Burnice/Rina I have calculated to provide a 20%-60% increase in disorder damage based on Time Passed since the Anomaly Attribute Proc. It just looks like the way things are heading, Electric, Ether, and Fire will be the disorder elements while Physical and Ice will have more of a "hypercarry" feel. Again Disorders are still fine with Physical and Ice because the large Anomaly Attribute damage makes up for it, it's just unlikely to have future relevancy in "disorder teams".
Thx ima pull her Mindscapes now too 🎉🔥
Get outta here whale! lol
@@AverageLuckGamer 😈
This video actually convinced me to pull burnice
Ssshh, that’s the secret.
I was fully committed to just getting Caesar and saved up heavily, but then I got the luck of my life and pulled her on pull #2. Now I’m being greedy and thinking about trying to get both Burnice and the Yanagi. These videos help temper expectations a lot though so thank you for that!
I would say Burnice is probably better than both Lighter and Yanagi.
People have already done some playing around and found from what we know of Yanagi, unless she has an off-field Anomaly agent like burnice to pair with she is kinda trash.
As for Lighter, he is kind of Lycaon tier. Good to have but not exceptionally strong, unless of course you also pull for his engine or m1.
@@goblez5900 More importantly, and I feel people miss this part way too often, electric anomaly and fire stun are roles already filled by current characters, and those characters you're already in possession of or will be within a not too distant future most likely. If jane is anything to go by they are just barely upgrades over the current same roles. I already blew through the Jane intended content with Piper, and then Caesar released and made Jane largely pointless except for ass.
"Looking at the trial, she could be better built."
Me when I get a 3rd character with worse substats than the trial characters:
But yeah, plan's unchanged. Burnice lookin' rad is a bonus. I still want M6 Lucy and Nicole above all... But, if my luck is so gosh darn bad that I get a Burnice or two on the way, well golly gee, so be it.
1:50 Caesar att buff only works on current field character,off field characters do not get the att buff
Important point yeah
Dont you love when mofos make videos without fact checking? This whole video just sounds goofy af
This doesn't actually say anything about whether or not (for example) burnice afterburn snapshots at application or not
alr pulled ceasar praying i will also get burnice (i need ALL the waifus)
Fingers crossed!
The song got me interested in the game,
I pulled her in game,
I'm staying to play the game.
Lots of little flames
Yup. She was strong enough bait to make me install 😂
I keep skipping characters bc everyone keeps saying “you should probably skip this character unless it benefits your account direction” but now, 3 months in, I still don’t have a single banner character and thusly have no clue what my account direction should be to make an informed decision.
The only S ranks I have are Neko, Lycaon, and Koleda who I got on accident trying to C6 Anby.
Maybe just commit to a direction that appeals to you? If you like Burnice in the trial stuff then pull her, but just be prepared to also pull Yanagi for her (but if you've been saving for 3 months, that should be fine).
You should probably start ignoring the phrases "Must-pull" and "you should probably skip." Just ask yourself these two questions: 1) Do you like the character on banner? 2) Does their kit sound like fun? If yes to either, probably pull, if yes to both, definitely.
Zzz usually have current banners that'll work with current game modes. And upcoming banners Wil usually work with current banner. Choose a character you like and get them The game will do the rest for you.
Pull what you like and then build around it. I don't think there's really been a "bad" limited unit thus far, so pretty much anyone can be a starting point.
I would recommend Caesar, but I dunno if you want a third stunner so soon.
The direction is to clear all endgame content for farming more polys, if your account is doing that right now, then you are fine. If not, you should get 2 strong dps and build 2 teams around it , or getting characters that helps your existing teams. For example if you have a neko team. You definitely need Caesar for damage buffing and survival.
A wise man said "throw away your medicine, listen to the voice, do what you want, makes life more interesting and full of action" though I dont remember who said that, I just heard that when I was alone in my room.
I like this video you don't try to force anyone to pull or skip you just lay down the info and let us decide great video
There is a gooood chance the impression of her being bait ages as well as the impression people had of Jane at first, that she was "mid". Anomaly agents are much more versatile than standard attacker units, and after realizing how much better the game feels when I can completely ignore the daze mechanic, I don't think I'll be investing hard into any attackers moving forward. The only downside is when we have to deal with mandragoras, so I guess I'll just build the third wheel support in anomaly teams with dps stats for this one in a million scenario lol. Another thing skewing her banner value is the fact she's running right after the very first limited S rank "support" in the game, who many people see as the second coming of Christ even though we're just 3 months into the game's lifespan
I feel like mihoyo will introduce bosses or elites that are immune to anomalies (we already have them in the game, I think one of them is on shiyu defense - the immobile ethereal that buff shield on other ethereals). If that happens, attacker units will be needed and recommended at those type of bosses/elites
@@korosensei3590 Yeah those are the mandragoras. It isn't out of the realm of possibility but introducing higher tier enemies that completely ignore anomaly would be the scammiest move possible though, we already have resistances to shuffle around (and anomaly agents do perform worse than attackers when facing something that resists their element), making it so that an entire class of agents cant deal ANY damage is beyond retarded and would just bring them unnecessary backlash
I'm not afraid; Zenless Zone Zero is actually the only gacha game I've played where I get every single character I truly pull.
I say "truly" because the only agents I don't have are the ones from N.E.P.S because I just didn't play the game much during those days. (Keep in mind I'm not eligible for most of the in-game events, I haven't played the story much :P)
She’s the cutest character in the game so far, easiest pull ever.
I’ve skipped every limited unit since Ellen anyway and still been clearing Shiyu so it’s fine. Piper Burnice Lucy is based.
After that, probably saving for the virtual idol faction.
mate same i have caeser and shark girl but i skipped everyone else because the second i saw that motorcycle gang i was like yup i am getting every single character from there 120 pulls for burnice and by the time she comes up i will probably have enough for hard pity 180 pulls aint no way i am missing her, kinda wanted to pull quingy and coop girl at the time but i resisted
Edit: just got her relics built she has 315 anomaly proficiency without any w engines and all the right main stats
exactly my plan lol, getting the fire gremlin and skipping the whole section 6 for idol faction. there was a leak that one of them(and high chance it's the 5* one too) is an ether anomaly anyway so it might be fine to skip yanagi.
Love the background music and vibes of your videos. I end up listening to them while doing chores even when I've already made that gacha decision, just for the chill vibes, and cause I might learn something I don't know.
Every character will be bait if you consider Future characters... In the end everyone pulls for who they like the most or to teams they want... It doesn't make Sense telling how good she IS in one video and in another telling she IS bait
Did you even watch the video? Every word in your comment was addressed by him 😂
Thats not always the case look at Genshin Kazuha and Zhongli are still relevant and they are 1.x characters even Xianling and Benette or Childe.
ZZZ is a game skill based game so thats ok,if a character is viable for more than 6 months thats good by gacha Standards
It does make sense, because the value always changes between accounts. Clueless players will hear endless glazing and pull, then not understand what went wrong when their account is not suited for a certain character at all, to no fault of the character's or the balance. A good creator like this one will cover every base with the relevant info.
Ah~ So soft~
So... warm~
🔥🔥🔥
Burnice wanters may want to consider getting Rina on their 5 star selector, as she extends shock duration which should make it easier to hit consistent disorders when paired with Grace or Yanagi. As someone who has been toying around with disorder teams since 1.0, lining up the timing for applications has been the trickiest thing to pull off consistently.
There are much better Teamates than Rina for a third slot.
@@ChaosLightspeed Yeah, after actually getting to play around with Burnice's different comps, the shock disorder with Grace and Rina really just doesn't work as her other comps. Maybe Yanagi will bring up Rina's value for the comp, but hard to say until she's live.
@@pulledporc5334 I'd argue that Lucy is probably a mainstay simply because of her buff affecting ALL teamates honestly. I don't know how that pen% ratio from Rina factors against a 600 ATK increase math-wise but I think if someone is at the point of using their S rank selector, there's better value to be had over Rina.
@@ChaosLightspeed It's possible the Pen ratio is slightly better bc it's a harder stat to get but I doubt it's a major upgrade from the A rank buffers. Lucy is definitely easier to obtain, and I imagine Seth will be a good option for electro disorder teams too. My experience with Rina so far is that while she is good she feels niche to shock teams, so depending on what someone has on their account they might get better value from some of the other standard banners like Lycaon instead. Neat for people who want to get more experimental with team comps, though.
Wait, they come back? I thought their a one time thing. Jeez, I got so scared realizing theres only 3 days for Burnice and I still need 26 pulls with a 50/50 thats NOT guaranteed
I tried her and her double flamethrower blast and instantly destroyed my pants, her kit feels fantastic
Thanks for the analysis as usual!
I would argue she is the exact opposite of bait given some of the experimentation people have put her through already.
Burnice is basically the cornerstone character for the disorder Anomaly team archetype.
The problem before with disorder was that most Anomaly characters are very field hungry so swapping between any two of what is currently available always feels like a DPS loss when an off-field supporter like Seth or Lucy could offer more from the limited field time they have available when on a Jane team.
Now with Burnice we finally have the missing key to unlock that potential. I would say she will probably go very well with both Yanagi and also possibly miyabi in the not so distant future.
yeah triggering 2-3 disorders in one rotation on Lucy C6 piper C6 and Burnice is what I needed, because the daze buildup from disorders finally makes it easy for for me to not have to run a stun character to give me some breathing room to regain energy.
I'm discover something when play her with elen/ZY!!
Miyabi in three years:
@crazykim She will be the 6 month anniversary character. Banner will be within a week of the 4th of January.
@@goblez5900 You say that as if Hoyo held real gacha anniversaries.
i just tried running Burnice,Jane,Soldier 11 in the trial. that experiment sold me on burnice. it was a ton of fun. i love the high action and reaction based play style of disorder comps and its super satisfying when i can nail the timing on it.
Im still pulling on burnt ice's banner just for the lucy mindscapes cuz i got salad which is a better teammate for piper
I got the character that I wanted the most right at the start, Nekomata, and I'm very happy with her. But after that I lost my 50/50 for Zhu Yuan and only got like 4 W-Engines that I don't need in the Standard-Banner. I still have fun with the game (mainly thanks to Nekomata and the Story-Content), but I started to get a little sad with my luck.
Then I found your channel and was hocked with your intro-speech and relatable way you talk about the game. And now I'm motivated again to save my polychrom and started to plan ahead what characters I really want. So thank you for your content!
Except the difficulty of the game isn't anywhere close to high enough for any of us to actually-y'know-give a shit?
I wasn't going to pull for Burnice, but she works so well with the characters I already have, and frees up some characters I want to pair up with Lighter as well (and after trying her out in game, she's pretty fun!)
Hey ALG! Update: I pulled for Ceasar since I had about 110 pulls and I got her on the FIRST PULL! After that, her W-Engine in 20 pulls! Crazy luck! 🙌✨
My word that's crazy! Awesome
I had 20 pulls to my name. Both banners at 0 pity. Got Caesar and her engine in one 10 pull each. Craziest luck I've had.
simple answers:
- i like them, they look cool/hot so I'll summon.
- i like their gameplay/mechanic, I'll get them
- I'm a whale, I'll get all the characters
the "you're f2p and you focus more on performance and getting the most of what you get" guide:
1. get caesar, she's good all around.
2. do you have more than 1 built dps (ellen, zhu yuan, jane, soldier 11)?
- if yes then burnice is optional
- if no then get burnice.
3. are you planning on getting yanagi?
- if yes then it can be assumed you're building a disorder team, getting burnice would be beneficial.
- if no, then ignore this question and go back to no. 2.
Don't forget that Burnice is incredibly fun to play, too.
Still, waiting for Miyabi and call it a day.
Great video :) It's great to have the for and the against pulling :)
Personally, I will pull for Burnice as I really like the sons of Calydon :) The only issue that I have with her is that I can only have 3 Calydons in a single team
Who's watching this after pulling for burnice
yeah shes my first limited 5 star and all these videos are making me feel like i made a bad decision, but shes doing well... im only level 32 though... 😭
Nice analysis. I have not been able to pull a single W-engine since so many synergized character banners are next to each other. Burnice -> Yanagi -> Lighter could also be a strong team too. Literally back to back.
this guy goes from one side of the clickbait spectrum to the other in a week
shameless and tectone tier
true
I will pull no question. I like her and her bakery. Also, I fell in love with the anomaly play style, so I am most likely will try to pull on anomaly characters in the future.
I was going to get Burnice anyways, but Yanagi is the most uninteresting character in the game for me so far since Ellen.
Plain
Ellen slander will not be tolerated 👀
Yanagi is the best character so far. Her animations tops everyone's. She is hot and clean asf.
@@AverageLuckGamer Yeah her design is just uninspired and I'm already getting my Disorder fix with Jane. Plus if I wanted am electric attacker of sorts I'd rather see what Harumasa is like
@@CodeTetsu I just think her gameplay is annoying, don't really have issues otherwise
I am a miyabi saver but I've bought the monthly pack twice (gives 90 polychrome daily for 30 days) so I'm set to pull Burnice and hopefully enough for Miyabi since I'm guaranteed for Burnice & 50/50 on Miyabi
Thank god i have both grace and jane
2 Disorder teams, let's go!
@@AverageLuckGamer any recommendation for 3rd member in grace team (I am using lucy in Jane team)
I pulled on Jane's banner and got Grace, Jane and Jane's weapon in a very lucky pulling session (around 120 pulls for all three). Now I'll try my luck for Burnice, but only until the first 5*. If it's her, then I'm happy, if not, I'll still get some Mindscapes for Lucy and Nicole, pulls have a guaranteed for Miyabi! Positive thoughts only! ☺
If she's bait, I'm a catch.
Loved the video!
Also, please, I need help, I can't stop thinking about the song you put in your intro. I have it on the tip of my tongue and it's driving me crazy.
bait or not im still pulling this crazy betch
a completely reasonable response sir!
These type of vids are always very helpful. Thanks a bunch
With the info you've given, I think I'm going to skip Burnice and Yanagi
o7
Not really on topic, but I'm kinda disappointed with how much ZZZ's meta is leaning towards Anomaly/Disorder, but that's on me I guess, since I expected raw damage would be as viable.
I actually kinda agree. It would be good to have more of a mix, but I think the reason they are doing it is to drive sales as anomaly works well with other anomaly so therefore, we've got a whole bunch of anomaly.
Only 2 patches in and bro already predicted the entire game's meta
I really didnt read the course buffs when I was testing rotations with Jane and Burnice. Did not know that disorder was buffef.
PIISH also had some calcs that showed Jane, Seth, Lucy had similar dpr as Jane, Seth, and Burnice ( I have no intention of getting Caesar or seperating Jane and Seth).
I can skip Burnice for Lighter with no problem. If anything, use a few pulls to get cinemas on Nicole and Lucy. Great video
End game is too easy rn. Pull who you want. Personally, i think her playstyle is very fun.
Average luck gamer to the rescue
I was almost swayed by all the "burnice is a must pull" videos but having watched this I can stay strong once more for my section 6 dream team
Gotchu
03:30 "You are very handsome or pretty"
Thank you. Subbed. :D
I’m here to read comments, I’m very happy from what I read. Im team all in for Burnice as well
People underrating Burnice often ignore how much value her being able to do a lot of anomaly while off field brings. Off field dps for Disorder is huge, and shes the only one we have or know is coming anytime soon.
I saw a video the other day talking about Yanagi's kit and how it's specifically about increasing the damage of disorder. So, yeah, they're definitely meant to go together. So much so that Yanagi doesn't really perform nearly as well well with anyone else. Just going from a pure numbers perspective, Yanagi's damage is dramatically higher when paired with Burnice over any other disorder character currently in the game.
From the leaks Yanagi looks to boost Disorder damage multipliers that looks to be in a similar-ish fashion to Qingyi boosting stun damage multipliers. From the descriptions it does sound like she'd be fighting with Jane for field time, which isn't ideal, so she might pair better with Burnice. Also worth considering that also leaked was that a future agent is going to be Ether Anomaly and so far every Anomaly agent but Jane is very dependent on their EX Special for their rotation.
She's fun and she's hot (both literally and figuratively), definitely worth the 300 pulls I've saved. Hoping I won't have to use too many though, aiming for one copy and pulling on weapon banner for Lucy's signature, might try for Burnice's signature depending on how good it is.
I’m probably going to try pulling towards the end of her banner. I need to see more lighter info and potentially Miyabi info
I’m in a weird spot where I pulled for Zhu Yuan and Caesar, but no-one else. On the other hand, both Piper and Lucy are at M6 for me. Basically, I can run a stacked Calydon team for Hollow Zero Blitz, or I can run a balanced Zhu Yuan/Caesar/Nicole team alongside a Piper/Nekomata (or Koleda)/Lucy team for Shiyu Defense. Burnice would work well with how I play, but I’m not all that crazy for her personality or design, just a bit too much “Harley Quinn” for my tastes. Yanagi is a bit too boring on all fronts for me. Plus, I just pulled Grace, probably my favorite character personality-wise because she’s just like me fr (engineer, obsessive about technical topics, chaotic, terrible sleep schedule, etc). I really want to see what Lighter’s kit looks like, because he seems cool with his personality and backstory. I can see myself using him if he ends up being a hybrid stunner/DPS rather than primarily being a stun unit.
I actually think your right in how they release characters, which is both good and bad. Bad because if you don't pull one, then you miss the character that best synergizes with the one you didn pull, and if you want the other, then you gotta pay. But the good thing is that you can plan this out if your planning to pull on synergies mainly and not really waifus (which is heresy but it is what it is). This means that you can prepare and save for when there's a character you want to get, safe for the major patches enough to get the 2 or 3 characters so you can get the best team synergy around that main DPS character you wanted. For example, for Jane, Caeser and Burnice seem to work really well with her, almost like they were created to work together as was pointed out in the vid. If we know that Jane was coming out, we could have saved for the a major patch or two, like patch 1.0 and 1.1 so that you can have enough to pull for Jane and Caeser at least, and if there is another character that fits in that team, then you'd have to be lucky or spend, but at the very least, you have a way easier time saving so that you can build a team around Jane.
Seeing this pattern would actually be really useful for f2p and low spending players. So although I'm going to pull Burnice anyway, this info is actually really helpful and should be driven further if we notice this pattern continuing, as well as when it stops and starts. I think it's going to start with the main DPS character and end with either off field dps or stunner from what it seems. But this pattern is still new, so we'll have to see more to confirm.
This is why I’m glad I decided to save. I’ve got 310 pulls saved for Burnice and Yanagi. I also already have Jane Doe. Anomaly stonks are rising 📈
I started playing ZZZ 2 weeks ago (because i saw Jane in a YT short of all things XD), burned a 100 to get her and have been loving her playstyle (and game as a whole) since, got lucky on Cesar after 30 pulls, so right now Burnice seems like a good proposition for my beginner (Inter Knot lv 43) account, also after testing her in chapter 4, you can basically assist swap to her, do a hold basic followed by special EX and swap off, seems to take up no field time at all and i loved that.
A bit of misunderstanding that people have about disorder is that your NEED to trigger both anomalies back to back for bigger numbers. This is not true. The reason the number is bigger is because when a dot disorder is triggered any remaining damage from the dot gets rolled into the disorder damage. There's no damage gain, the mechanics just prevent a damage loss.
I'm already prepared for BURNICE specially I have LUCY and PIPER in the team (also RED MOCCUS), it'll be my first DISORDER team since I dont have GRACE or JANE
I personally love anomaly - I still don't have Grace though but I do have Rina and her weapon - I can't wait to make a Grace/Burnice/Rina team eventually getting C2 on burnice with a rerun and going down the pen/disorder route.
So I'm still not sure if I want to pull for Yannagi, it depends on if I'm getting Grace in Burnice 50/50 - if that 8.3% chance thing happens, I'm not gonna pull for Yannagi. If I win the 50/50, I may have enough poly to pull for Yannagi, if I lose the 50/50 and not get Grace, I will have to wait at least until Miyabi for another anomaly char.
Honestly though - this is the first time I kinda don't mind not winning the 50/50 with burnice, I would pull for her and hope I get to C6 lucy on the way.
said the same thing about qingyi in 1.1 and she was by far the must-pull. so, looks like im pulling burnice!
My planned team for Burnice is Piper and Lucy. The general idea is to get Lucy to M6 (since she's featured on Burnice's banner). Her M6 makes a boar explode and deal fire damage when an ally uses an EX attack, and this triggers many many times both with Burnice and with Piper's EX's, SO, with that in mind, i'll apply Lucy's buff, then Burnice's afterburn, and that would give Piper 2 sources of fire damage to do with her EX. Making Piper deal an inmense amount of both fire and physical annomaly and become a disorder godess... I think this is going to work great, and all it needs is for pulls on Burnice's banner and to have Piper, which is a 1.0 A rank so you likely already have her (i also got a few more copies of her in Caesar's banner, but that's an extra). So for a f2p team for Burnice i think this will work pretty well. Fingers crossed.
That thumbnail kills me so much😭♥
She has many trial combat courses in HIA investigator training for a character that's not yet out. i wish they do this on all upcoming characters moving forward, really helps with pull decision making
I went full send during the jane banner, getting her, her weapon, and Seth to M6. So my account is fully on the Anomaly path. So im passing on Ceasar to get burnice and hopefully yanagi after. If I get both then I will be the anomaly lord.
I've got fully built Jane and semi built Grace, I love Burnice, and I also love just how resource friendly anomaly characters are, so it's a no brainer for me. Yanagi seems cool but right now I don't see my account NEEDING her so I'm fine skipping. Lighter though... I love a fist fighter character so I might be going for him depending on 1.4 banners.
I wanted that last Piper mindscape, did a 10 pull, ended up getting 2 Caesars somehow, great for my DPS Ben so no complaints.
I still have 78 pulls, I might still go for Burnice since, y'know, Piper, Lucy M6, disorder, the whole shebang
Do my pulls?
@@AverageLuckGamer Sir. Yes, sir.
As a person who started this game 21 days ago, i got caesar and have 3.3k chrome to pull left still. I’m getting burnice(I don’t have a b team for shiyu anyway I need all the agents I can get)
My Core teams so far has been *the* Ice team (Ellen, Lyacon, Sokaku) and what i have been calling Ether Escort (Jane, Anomaly built Nicole and Zhu Yuan). I have been a pretty lucky goldfish so far, I just feel like Nicole herself with the lack of Dennies...
Account-Value is almost the dead-last criteria I go for when I pull characters. In Genshin, Xilonen right now would be the singular-most-valuable unit for me the game has ever released. But am I skipping her to instead save for hugely less value characters that I just vibe with more? Heck yeah! Active Navia main without Xilonen, Yoimiya-lover without Yelan and Nilou enjoyer without Nahida here, lol. And I don't have Kazuha either. Still, a really nice and very insightful video!
Saving for the anticipated Miyabi like I said I would. Still going strong with 30k polychrome saved so far!
I never got the chance to get Jane or Caesar. I just skipped and went for Burnice instead. 🔥
Missed out on both
Seth making the Huh face is mine with the entire Burnice bait hook in my mouth
Haha, aparently, my pulling plan is to pull all traps caught by ALG :D
I don't mean that as counter point, just that as F2P, my pulling play is always for characters whose playstyle I like. I might start pulling for filling compositions roughly 2 years into the game, or later ;)
So far, I got Qingyi (I don't enjoy Anby's skill set, mostly because I can't play her well), Jane (I wouldn't pull her if there was a way to get Nekomata as F2P) and plan for Burnice.
I mostly like high mobility skill sets and enjoy anomaly characters. Maybe I will go for Disorder comps, but as I only have Piper and Jane as Anomaly, cannot truly put that to test yet.
for the longest time my go-to team was ellen - soukaku - koleda and later qingyi. my second team was soldier 11 with lucy and koleda after i got qingyi. I pulled jane by accident and levelled her but had no real team for her, and even my second team wasn't maxed out yet. the moment i got burnice everything in the game became a joke. i s-ranked every shiyu defense node (all categories), playing through fire resistance without a care. burnice absolutely destroys and bruteforces content with another anomaly on her team (phys probably best). the recent ambush node i was able to bruteforce as well, playing the anomaly team on the side with fire resist. it's silly how much disorder does.
Honestly I decided to pull on Caesar when I was planning on Burnice for one reason and one reason alone: My Ellen team is severely lacking, and Caesar greatly helps with that
I had fun pairing Burnice and Jane together in the training course. Anomaly disorders are fun. Am excited for the ether anomaly character.
I like her play style, but I sort of want to get more information on future characters. I’m lacking 5* dps atm so I’ve been rolling with piper and Anton, but hopefully I find a 5* dps playstyle that can work as a main dps. It looks like burnice is more-so a sub-dps.
I got really lucky early on. My first S tier was Lycaon (the character I wanted the most for the cool factor).
I quickly ended up with e1 Lycaon & e6 Soukaku once I rolled enough to get Ellen.
I've been using them for everything for a good while now.
Saved for Jane Doe, who I've been obsessed with. I rarely waifu roll....but she pushes my buttons.
But thankfully she's by far the most fun character to play. Got lucky on getting Caesar in 40 rolls. So now its all on Burnice; then back to saving again.
I love the biker style & going from the story trials, she's also super fun to play. So I feel like I'm going to have an absolute blast with her & Jane if I manage to nab her.
Yanagi is a bit plain to me. Looks too much like an NPC. so even if she's good, I'll be skipping.
Fun factor is a big thing for me. I'll never roll purely for mechanics. I have to like how they look, like how they sound & like how they play. If they're good, then that's just a bonus.
I saved up enough to get both Burnice and Yanagi. Then will try to get Yanagi's signature engine (even if I have to spend a bit to get it).
Having a solid Jane+Seth S6 team already.
Getting Both Burnice + Yanagi would help me solidify my team 2. (Will use piper instead of Yanagi until her banner becomes available)