The Ice type's biggest issue is the fact that they keep giving it to slow bulky Pokemon. Basically every time they make a fast offensive Ice type it is an immediate threat, because as it turns out giving the glass cannon type to some glass cannon Pokemon actually works, someone please tell Gamefreak.
Also, it could so easily resist some combination of bug, flying, grass and water, as well as ground and dragon (though more because it bets them then any clear logical reason to resist)
They used to give it to slow mons, these last gens where pretty good when it comes to offensive ice types, G Darmanitan, Chien Pao, Iron Bundle, Baxcalibur, Cetitan are all ofensive ice types that want to move first. Even the Calyrex Ice form wants to move first in trick room. With the exception of Mr Rime and H Avalugg all modern ice types are offensive. Even the lowtier ones like Eiscue or Frosmoth focus on offense
It makes sense on the surface, when you think of Ice, you're likely to think of glaciers, and those aren't really known for hitting hard or moving fast- it only starts to fall apart when you look at how the ice type actually functions as a type, as opposed to as a theme. And yeah, mechanically, ice wants fast and offensive, but this, still feels very at odds with it's theming to me. Edit: For everyone wondering, I _was_ already agonizing about just saying the same thing twice when I was typing this comment.
Honestly they should just make Ice resist Ground and Dragon probably. Or Ground and... something. Flying? I don't want to hit grass types even more, they don deserve it. Water maybe? So they resist eachother.
I managed to completely miss this, but stealth rocks mean it either has to 1. take 25% on switch in or 2. not run leftovers in favor of heavy-duty-boots. regice truly is a travesty.
It would be nice if Regice had Recover but at least it gets a defense boost in Snow to compliment it's massive Sp Def stat. Your channel is great by the way. 😎✌
The original 3 Regi trio and Regigigas all being mid to straight up bad is devastating, they're some of my favorite pokemon of all time. At least Regieleki can save the family name
@@victory8928here are the 3 abilities they need. Good as steel- immune to all not very effective moves. Solider rock: cuts all super effective damage in half. Hailstorm warning: sets up snow and aurora veil on switch in
@@sanskarjain3564Those are unbelievably broken abilities that would warp Ubers around them and I wouldn't be surprised if every VGC worlds team had at least two of them. The third is an ability that does something almost too strong to be a move and the first 2 legitimately break the rules of pokemon. Overall, yeah Regirock would probably be RU.
@@lucaslennan3356 I wanted to give it Pure salt as the ability. All moves apply salt cure, but regirock is not made so salt so i limited my creativity. Also all of these abilities come with a significant drawback. You have to use regigigas on the team too to get access to them.
Also consider that its Pokedex entries always say that its body can never be melted no matter how hot it gets, even with games like Omega Ruby stating "the deep-frozen body can't be melted, even by fire". Yet, it's still somehow weak to Fire. Great job, game freak
given they were willing to overtune the offensive regis with signature abilities, idk why the old defensive ARG bros can't have their own abilities too. even if it was just strong defensive type abilities like rock type water absorb (+ smogon pebbles?) for Regirock, Burn/Fire/Sun immunity for Regice, halved Normal/Fighting damage for Registeel. random spitballs but idk man, it's ludicrous the hand they gave to the regis before they added the goofy Regieleki. I guess Registeel and Regidrago function decently enough but still. also Regigigas is its own can of worms.
Avalugg is an example of what Regice could have been if given Recovery and decent utility (Rapid Spin), but even with all that Avalugg is still a low tier Pokemon. Still better than bottom of the barrel though, and even Avalugg has had small niches in OU throughout its history.
You're gonna be fine because all the ice types we've gotten recently are more on the offensive or support sides than on the defensive side. You got eiscue and glastrier as recent dedicated defensive ice types, and I guess hissuian avalugg but he's a regional variant with basically the same stats as regular avalugg. So you're taking two or three shots, not that bad.
@@andrewwojtas8486 glastrier is definitely defensive. It has a massive attack stat and it's own moxie ability, but he has almost as much bulk and completely abysmal speed, so he's a defensive brawler. Which is why he was ZUBL in sword and shield and is PU now. Eiscue is another defensive ice type and he's also down in ZU, because defensive ice types just don't work.
“Hey, you know how we made the ice type a very good offensive type but is very poor defensively?” “Yeah?” “Ok let’s make 99% of ice type Pokémon slow, defensive, and bulky.”
"oh but being cold slows movement so therefore-" when has science ever mattered to gamefreak. give us more speed demons made of frozen water. give us a fucking speedskater pokemon that runs away from you when you try to approach it
Gen 1: "Dang, we got a lot of normal types so fighting type might need something to counter it... Let's introduce Physics and make the only super effective types against it bug and ghost, both of which being very limited and frail and having no access to good moves to actually hit super effectively." Gen 2: "Ok... So we made a mistake with psychic... We'll fix the bug/ghost types to actually hit them and we're gonna introduce dark to counter balance it and it definitely won't become a new meta threat because we got all these frail Fighting types to totally keep them in check. Also let's throw in a bunch of good dark hybrids while we're baking. Ok we can't just add _one_ powerful type... How about something to counter Poison? You know that type that has like 3 pure Pokemon in it. Steel. You know what? Immune to Poison. We got to future proof the poison meta now that we're 100% balancing Physics. And let's make Steel randomly weak to... Oh, let's say fire. And Ground? Sure. Oh and Fighting, of course. There, balanced." Gen 3-5: _random bullshit hybrid types go_ Gen 6: "Hearing a lot of people complaining about those two types we added in Gen 2... So Fairy will be involced with those two. Uh... Bah, we'll also make it immune to Dragon. Totally balanced now." Gen 7+: _keeps adding new game mechanics hoping nobody asks them to add another type_
Technically they /made/ ice type Pokemon very good offenively, and quite good defensively. When they made it, Ice's defensive profile was: Resist Ice? Really good, 90% accurate Blizzard was everywhere. Immune to secondary effect freeze from ice moves? Really good, freeze was the most devastating secondary effect, and most commonly came from ice moves. Weak to Rock. Moderately bad weakness, but one that can be played around given that the main rock move users were slow, low special, rock/grounds which made them in turn also weak to ice. Weak to Fighting? Meh, nothing really uses fighting moves. Weak to Fire? Meh, fire is used sparingly because it risks unfreezing if the opponent switches a frozen pokemon into it.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Physical/Special split, that's the main reason Regice (and Regirock) fell off a cliff and went from OU to NU in a single generation, its highly specialized defensive stats worked much better in an environment where you could guarantee most of your weaknesses would only be hitting one side. Pre-Split Regice was basically an AV pokemon 3 generations before AV was added, the insane special bulk let you reliably switch in on and check a lot of threats with BoltBeam or Explosion.
1:12 Explosion in older generations halved the defense of the target, so it used to effectively deal 500 damage, making that low base attack not as much of an issue. Regice even saw a decent amount of play in ADV formats. Unfortunately for it, it doesn't last past ADV because of the numerous changes that piled up throughout the generations after, and it never changed to move with the times. Basically, it's a relic of an age long since passed. Kind of appropriate for a Pokemon that represents the Ice Age, but kinda sad.
You have to remember when Gen3 came out we were still coming out of "being frozen is instadeath" in Gen1 and "being frozen is instadeath unless you're lucky" in Gen2. A Pokemon with Ice Beam that sat on the field a long time was very dangerous. They might have even had Sheer Cold on it originally and cut it out of fear it would be OP (Lock-On is there so...). Perhaps it was designed before the 20% thaw was decided on for Gen3, or they just didn't anticipate how hard that nerf would hit it. This was also the same time as they introduced Hail so they may have anticipated Hail stall was going to be a thing, hence the synergy with Ice Body and Amnesia/Curse/Ancientpower in the natural moveset to dig in.
best part about running a regi is that they're so underappreciated that nobody knows how to deal with them. my favorite garbage strat is bulky special regigigas.
Regice lost out pretty hard on the physical/special split. In gen 3, all of ice-types weaknesses barring fire were physical, meaning Regice was safe against any special attackers other than the occasional charizard/moltres.
It isn't even that great in ADV anymore, sadly being in BL and seeing niche usage as a Blissey explosion lure where it can sometimes wreck unprepared teams. It wasn't going to be great after ADV, but stealth rocks and the physical / special split making its already shaky defenses even worse really feel like a calculated effort to bury it into the ground.
I think Registeel is actually alright now because it has both Iron Defense and Amnesia and a good defensive typing and access to Body Press to turn its defense it into Offense.
it honestly is shocking how base 100 in any stat is considered mediocre solely due to power creep, really goes to show how balance in modern titles just gets thrown out of the window
It’s funny regice was basically built for the pre special physical split because most of its weakness where physical so it had it could realistically get mileage out of its special bulk…. Only for that to get ruined one gen later the designed for regice must have been pissed that the physical special split was made.
Thank you so much for attending my presentation about why raging bolt is a menace to society, fist up lets take a look at its stats and believe it or not, this motherfcker has more special attack than flutter mane, and it's pretty tanky on physical defense but not in special defense. You're fine with not much bulk because it also has a signature move thats basically sucker punch but electric type and a special move. This counters urshifu really hard so it might see some play. Thank you so much for watching.
"Regice's body can't be melted even by fire" >Weak to fire type attacks "Registeel's body is more durable than any metal and cannot be scratched" >Weak to punches "If any part of Regirock's body is damaged, it can repair itself with rocks" >No recovery moves of any kind
The best set for Regice (or at least the most unique one) is using gravity to increase the accuracy of blizzard, focus blast, and zap cannon so that Regice and its team can spam high power low accuracy moves.
Rehice is a victim of changing game systems more than anything. It was fine (not good, but fine) in its debut generation, but the physical/special split basically destroyed its reason for existing.
So, one of the things that these type of videos always miss is that not only did Choice Specs not exist in ADV, almost every single one of Regice weaknesses was a physical one. While not as good as resistances that's still a decent profile with ADV's lower power. From what I understand Regice back then was strong enough to still take some stray Fire Moves when pokemons used Hidden Power and Elemental punches for coverage, I believe Regice still obviously folded to fighting type attacks, but that gen we were dealing with Brick Break most of the time, not the Close Combat that every single physical attacker gets these days. Steel was a low profile attacking type back then, and Rock was also still using the lower BP Rock slide. The bulky ice type and the bulky pokemon without immediate recovery is just a design that seems to have not aged well with the rising strength of metagames.
This is literally my favorite pokemon because to date it’s the only full-odds shiny I’ve ever gotten to date. Granted I haven’t played pokemon for like six years but still
I will protect my beloved block of ice with my life!!!!!!!!!! I wish it had unaware instead of clear body. A signature move would also be a sweet addition.
i like using regice in Gen 3 ADV OU because boltbeam is funny and because of a lack of phys/spec split, it can tank fire hits with it's high special defense (if it's not a STAB fire move, ex Salamence Fire Blast, Gengar Fire Punch)
I was considering a new stats distribution for the regis. For Regice, I got the following distribution in mind: HP: 85 Atk: 60 Def: 90 Satk: 120 Sdef: 180 Spd: 45 This would make him more proficient offensively. Another way is giving him the Analytic ability. But yeah, some simple movepool additions could do wonders as well. Moves that would help and make sense on him include: Freeze-Dry, Mirror Coat, Recover, Volt Switch, Calm Mind and Spikes.
I’ve been messing around with it in VGC and it’s surprisingly decent there with new snow mechanics, it ends up having absurd defense and spdef and 100% accurate blizzards with specs means it can do some good damage as well. That being said, run a better ice type. Iron bundle and baxcalibur exist and make running regice basically pointless unless you just really love the mon
Really hope Regice gets Snow Warning and Regirock gets Sand Stream at some point just to help them out a bit. That leaves Registeel with nothing, so give it Filter or something I guess idk.
They need an Ice type version of spikes where the Pokémon places sharp icicles on the ground. Non Ice types entering battle, take damage and their speed is lowered by one stage.
Calm mind + stored power could be quite the threat. Also chilly reception and/or aurora veil would give it some utility. If freeze was frostbite again and it had a chill-o-wisp option that would be huge. With the defense boost from snow it's be an unbreakable wall
I feel like Ice should resist Grass. Grass is the defacto "wood" type and when you freeze Sawdust it winds up with a structural density about half as strong as steel.
I thought maybe it should resist Water seeing as Ice is frozen water and the two sort of coexist in the poles; and it'd help slow down Water spam (like Iron Bundle and Palafin) and give Ice a nice resistance to a common attacking type.
Yes because grass totally needs another type to resist it, also how would ice resist wood and vines shattering it? Thank god y’all don’t work at game freak..
I will NOT tolerate this Regice slander! Rock Polish WP Regice is REALLY funny even in OU! Tbolt Icebeam Focus Blast (or blizzard and thunder if you are feeling quite saucy, or zap cannon if even saucier) makes for the perfect coverage! It's biggest weakness is mainly priority moves, as it is weak to bullet punch from scizors and mach punches from bulky fighting types. It's great SpDef is PERFECT for this, as it can eat a flamethrower for 30-50% from most pokemon and basically shell smash! I have it on one of my most fun (and probably stupid) teams, a gravity centered team where it has the stronger options. Regice is no avalugg, but they are kind nonetheless!
I once on the playground bodied my friend with a double team amnesia Regice. My favourite Regi by far, only been useful once in my life. Makes a cool plushie tho
During the Z move fad I made a very fun and surprisingly effective regice who ran z gravity, blizzard, zap cannon, and focus blast. Z gravity boosts the users special attack and multiplies accuracy by 5/3, so Zap cannon became 83% accurate (not great, but less accurate moves have been run in competitive) and focus blast becomes 116% accurate! Pretty good for a pair of 120 base power moves. Also ran blizzard over ice beam since it also becomes 116% accurate and deals more damage. I of course debated running thunder instead of zap cannon to match all the accuracies, but I found more success with zap cannon, oddly enough. I do think the strategy worked better in doubles with someone to give regice an actual item, though, as running psychium z for that is... not ideal in singles. Still got some surprise wins and KOs with it in singles, though.
When I saw Regice came back in the DLC, I was hopeful, begging that they'd give it a SINGLE bone. _It got more useless phsyical moves, it didn't get recover. My poor fave legendary is done dirty yet again._
I found amusing that Rock and Ice types are more effective on offense than defense, yet most of their Pokémon are slow and bulky. Ice-type managed to break the curse by having a few glasscanon, but it doesn't solve Regice and Regirock. What are the options? I don't know, but here a few of them: *Option 1:* Give them a recovery moves. It could be *Recover.* After all, Garganacl is a 100 HP, 130 Defense and 90 Sp. Def. with 100 in Attack, while Regirock is a 80 HP, 200 Defense and 100 Sp. Def with 100 in Attack too. Sure, Regirock has better stats, but Salt Cure is what makes Garganacl, way better than Toxic. *Option 1.5:* I would have said: give Body Press to Regirock! It already has it. Should we introduce a Special counter-part to Body Press like "Mind Shine" (a Psychic-type moves) or "Slimy Slam" (a Poison-type moves), and give it to Regice? *Option 2:* Introduce a new ability that would reduces their weaknesses. It could replace their hidden abilities. Here an example: *Unbreakable:* _The Pokémon solidifies its mineral body, which halves the damage taken from Fighting- and Steel-type moves._ Here, Regirock is only weak to Grass, Water and Ground, while Regice is only weak to Fire and Rock. *Option 3:* Change the type-chart. I think a few weaknesses should be removed in order to fix dual-types with 2 dual weaknesses. Such as: - Makes Ice neutral to Fighting-type moves. It would solve Ice/Steel (Alolan Sandslash) and Ice/Rock (Aurorus). - Makes Rock neutral to Ground-type moves. It would solve Rock/Steel (Probopass) and Rock/Fire (Magcargo) I would even throw a Ground resistance to Ice-type in the mix, in order to add a new hard-counter to Ground. *Option 4:* Redesign the legendary trio, by giving a new lore that would make them eligible to a lot more moves. For example, the ability to shapeshift: imagine Regice being able to liquefy like Vaporeon. It would justify the addition of many Water-type moves (currently almost none), and many shapeshifting moves (like Acid Armor). Regirock could do the same with Lava.
I do think its at least decent in doubles with snow, when you have snow and aurora viel up even on the physical side ots ridiculously bulky with hp investment. With ice body and leftovers its also healing quite a bit per turn. Its not great or even that good but its something especially for one of my favorite pokemon of all time.
regice at least has the excuse of actually being very good when it was made back in 2002. frosmoth is a SLOW ICE/BUG type that could not even be saved by quiver dance. it was released in 2019. you should make a video on the fact game freak released a woefully understatted pure bug type in 2022, which i can only try to explain by the fact it's on route 1, yet you can also find flamigo on route 1.
I’ve said this in several videos covering the weaknesses of the ice type but they should give it resistances similar to rock because it’s also solid but with some changes. Have it resist flying, bug, normal, ground, electric and ice (it does already). My logic for ground and electric is that moves like earthquake and thunderbolt are common coverage moves and with it resisting the moves, bulkier ice types can take the hits better or switch in predicting it and it differentiates it from the rock type. As for electric it has to do with how chemistry works and that with ice being frozen water, electricity can’t travel through it as easily compared to it’s liquid form so it’s an irl resistance to conductivity. Hail did get changed to snow and giving ice types a 50% defense boost while it’s active so that’s one step in the right direction at least.
atleast it has the potential to be by far the strongest pokemon in gen 1 with a monstrous special of 200 + amnesia + blizzard makes it an absolutely insane threat couple this with it's ice typing giving it weaknesses that are a total non issue for an ice resist that is very welcome ontop of being immune to freeze i struggle to think of a single other pokemon who'd beat it if dropped into the meta of gen 1 so, there's that
Funnily enough it was able to wall things in Gen 3, and its 100 Base Special isnt that bad, if you want him to be a slow sweeper. A Victim of Powercreep for sure, and very counterproductive to its Stats, but it was able to work for a while.
The Ice type's biggest issue is the fact that they keep giving it to slow bulky Pokemon.
Basically every time they make a fast offensive Ice type it is an immediate threat, because as it turns out giving the glass cannon type to some glass cannon Pokemon actually works, someone please tell Gamefreak.
Also, it could so easily resist some combination of bug, flying, grass and water, as well as ground and dragon (though more because it bets them then any clear logical reason to resist)
They used to give it to slow mons, these last gens where pretty good when it comes to offensive ice types, G Darmanitan, Chien Pao, Iron Bundle, Baxcalibur, Cetitan are all ofensive ice types that want to move first. Even the Calyrex Ice form wants to move first in trick room.
With the exception of Mr Rime and H Avalugg all modern ice types are offensive. Even the lowtier ones like Eiscue or Frosmoth focus on offense
It makes sense on the surface, when you think of Ice, you're likely to think of glaciers, and those aren't really known for hitting hard or moving fast- it only starts to fall apart when you look at how the ice type actually functions as a type, as opposed to as a theme. And yeah, mechanically, ice wants fast and offensive, but this, still feels very at odds with it's theming to me.
Edit: For everyone wondering, I _was_ already agonizing about just saying the same thing twice when I was typing this comment.
Honestly they should just make Ice resist Ground and Dragon probably. Or Ground and... something. Flying? I don't want to hit grass types even more, they don deserve it. Water maybe? So they resist eachother.
Or just give them resistances, I don't want an entire type be pigeonholed into one role.
Fell off a cliff? No bro Regice went skydiving and forgot the parachute
*SKYDIVING*
OUT OF THE WINDOW
It's positively perilous!
I'm such a thrillseeker!
*Don't forget to bring a parachute!*
@@robertlupa8273sauce: skydiving by iteachvader (no spaces)
I managed to completely miss this, but stealth rocks mean it either has to 1. take 25% on switch in or 2. not run leftovers in favor of heavy-duty-boots. regice truly is a travesty.
It would be nice if Regice had Recover but at least it gets a defense boost in Snow to compliment it's massive Sp Def stat. Your channel is great by the way. 😎✌
That Def boost was long overdue. Crazy how GameFreak gave Rocks that SpDef boost in Sand but said "lol nope" to Ice types until now.
@@andreivaldez2929and sand gets both the spdef boost to rocks and the chip to all but 3 types, but ice has to choose one or the other lol
@@boop53it can’t choose. Hail is just gone. Snow replaced it. And honestly the lack of hail chip is a good thing. Makes you not locked to ice only.
3. Avalugg is just better because it gets Recover.
Regice became the second best ice type regi this gen
I see what you did there 😂⚡
Damn thats actually fucking sad
Gigas is still the worse?!
For those that don't get the joke, Regieleki often runs Tera ice for boltbeam coverage.
@@devilex121 And got banned shortly after
The original 3 Regi trio and Regigigas all being mid to straight up bad is devastating, they're some of my favorite pokemon of all time. At least Regieleki can save the family name
Only to be so broken it had to be nerfed. If only the other Regis had the same type of ability but of course less sense cause no energy
@@victory8928here are the 3 abilities they need.
Good as steel- immune to all not very effective moves.
Solider rock: cuts all super effective damage in half.
Hailstorm warning: sets up snow and aurora veil on switch in
@@sanskarjain3564Those are unbelievably broken abilities that would warp Ubers around them and I wouldn't be surprised if every VGC worlds team had at least two of them.
The third is an ability that does something almost too strong to be a move and the first 2 legitimately break the rules of pokemon.
Overall, yeah Regirock would probably be RU.
Precious bouncy boy is doing it for the family
@@lucaslennan3356 I wanted to give it Pure salt as the ability.
All moves apply salt cure, but regirock is not made so salt so i limited my creativity.
Also all of these abilities come with a significant drawback.
You have to use regigigas on the team too to get access to them.
"Pivot Moves? *E X P L O S I O N* "
Pokedex entry: It can survive in lava unscathed
Regice getting hit by a Flare Blitz: 💧
He has Articuno levels of oh god why
Also consider that its Pokedex entries always say that its body can never be melted no matter how hot it gets, even with games like Omega Ruby stating "the deep-frozen body can't be melted, even by fire". Yet, it's still somehow weak to Fire.
Great job, game freak
It needs heatproof so badly
@@ElectricWindGirlFriendand make it to a inmmunity insted of a resistence
The Sapphire entry is even better: _"Its icy body is so cold, it will not melt even if it is immersed in magma."_
given they were willing to overtune the offensive regis with signature abilities, idk why the old defensive ARG bros can't have their own abilities too. even if it was just strong defensive type abilities like rock type water absorb (+ smogon pebbles?) for Regirock, Burn/Fire/Sun immunity for Regice, halved Normal/Fighting damage for Registeel. random spitballs but idk man, it's ludicrous the hand they gave to the regis before they added the goofy Regieleki. I guess Registeel and Regidrago function decently enough but still. also Regigigas is its own can of worms.
Flash fire or heatproof would be so cool. Or an ice version of thick fat
Take a shot every time Gamefreak creates yet another “defensive” ice type
Avalugg is an example of what Regice could have been if given Recovery and decent utility (Rapid Spin), but even with all that Avalugg is still a low tier Pokemon. Still better than bottom of the barrel though, and even Avalugg has had small niches in OU throughout its history.
Bro, I think this post counts as pre-meditated murder lol
You're gonna be fine because all the ice types we've gotten recently are more on the offensive or support sides than on the defensive side. You got eiscue and glastrier as recent dedicated defensive ice types, and I guess hissuian avalugg but he's a regional variant with basically the same stats as regular avalugg. So you're taking two or three shots, not that bad.
They haven't made another defensive ice type in the last decade
@@andrewwojtas8486 glastrier is definitely defensive. It has a massive attack stat and it's own moxie ability, but he has almost as much bulk and completely abysmal speed, so he's a defensive brawler. Which is why he was ZUBL in sword and shield and is PU now. Eiscue is another defensive ice type and he's also down in ZU, because defensive ice types just don't work.
“Hey, you know how we made the ice type a very good offensive type but is very poor defensively?”
“Yeah?”
“Ok let’s make 99% of ice type Pokémon slow, defensive, and bulky.”
This is what I call balance
The decisions individually make flavor sense, but the combination is just proof that Game Freak never cared about game balance.
"oh but being cold slows movement so therefore-" when has science ever mattered to gamefreak. give us more speed demons made of frozen water. give us a fucking speedskater pokemon that runs away from you when you try to approach it
Gen 1: "Dang, we got a lot of normal types so fighting type might need something to counter it... Let's introduce Physics and make the only super effective types against it bug and ghost, both of which being very limited and frail and having no access to good moves to actually hit super effectively."
Gen 2: "Ok... So we made a mistake with psychic... We'll fix the bug/ghost types to actually hit them and we're gonna introduce dark to counter balance it and it definitely won't become a new meta threat because we got all these frail Fighting types to totally keep them in check. Also let's throw in a bunch of good dark hybrids while we're baking. Ok we can't just add _one_ powerful type... How about something to counter Poison? You know that type that has like 3 pure Pokemon in it. Steel. You know what? Immune to Poison. We got to future proof the poison meta now that we're 100% balancing Physics. And let's make Steel randomly weak to... Oh, let's say fire. And Ground? Sure. Oh and Fighting, of course. There, balanced."
Gen 3-5: _random bullshit hybrid types go_
Gen 6: "Hearing a lot of people complaining about those two types we added in Gen 2... So Fairy will be involced with those two. Uh... Bah, we'll also make it immune to Dragon. Totally balanced now."
Gen 7+: _keeps adding new game mechanics hoping nobody asks them to add another type_
Technically they /made/ ice type Pokemon very good offenively, and quite good defensively.
When they made it, Ice's defensive profile was:
Resist Ice? Really good, 90% accurate Blizzard was everywhere.
Immune to secondary effect freeze from ice moves? Really good, freeze was the most devastating secondary effect, and most commonly came from ice moves.
Weak to Rock. Moderately bad weakness, but one that can be played around given that the main rock move users were slow, low special, rock/grounds which made them in turn also weak to ice.
Weak to Fighting? Meh, nothing really uses fighting moves.
Weak to Fire? Meh, fire is used sparingly because it risks unfreezing if the opponent switches a frozen pokemon into it.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Physical/Special split, that's the main reason Regice (and Regirock) fell off a cliff and went from OU to NU in a single generation, its highly specialized defensive stats worked much better in an environment where you could guarantee most of your weaknesses would only be hitting one side. Pre-Split Regice was basically an AV pokemon 3 generations before AV was added, the insane special bulk let you reliably switch in on and check a lot of threats with BoltBeam or Explosion.
1:12 Explosion in older generations halved the defense of the target, so it used to effectively deal 500 damage, making that low base attack not as much of an issue. Regice even saw a decent amount of play in ADV formats. Unfortunately for it, it doesn't last past ADV because of the numerous changes that piled up throughout the generations after, and it never changed to move with the times.
Basically, it's a relic of an age long since passed. Kind of appropriate for a Pokemon that represents the Ice Age, but kinda sad.
Counter-argument...
He looks Cool.
And that's all I need.
You have to remember when Gen3 came out we were still coming out of "being frozen is instadeath" in Gen1 and "being frozen is instadeath unless you're lucky" in Gen2. A Pokemon with Ice Beam that sat on the field a long time was very dangerous. They might have even had Sheer Cold on it originally and cut it out of fear it would be OP (Lock-On is there so...). Perhaps it was designed before the 20% thaw was decided on for Gen3, or they just didn't anticipate how hard that nerf would hit it. This was also the same time as they introduced Hail so they may have anticipated Hail stall was going to be a thing, hence the synergy with Ice Body and Amnesia/Curse/Ancientpower in the natural moveset to dig in.
Regice has friendship to offer
best part about running a regi is that they're so underappreciated that nobody knows how to deal with them. my favorite garbage strat is bulky special regigigas.
REGIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICE
- Regice in that pokémon Movie
Regice lost out pretty hard on the physical/special split. In gen 3, all of ice-types weaknesses barring fire were physical, meaning Regice was safe against any special attackers other than the occasional charizard/moltres.
Regice: "I'll help you pivot" *Explodes*
It isn't even that great in ADV anymore, sadly being in BL and seeing niche usage as a Blissey explosion lure where it can sometimes wreck unprepared teams. It wasn't going to be great after ADV, but stealth rocks and the physical / special split making its already shaky defenses even worse really feel like a calculated effort to bury it into the ground.
I think Registeel is actually alright now because it has both Iron Defense and Amnesia and a good defensive typing and access to Body Press to turn its defense it into Offense.
also it can tera, which is probably the best way to utilize its stats. Hail being changed to Snow was also in its favour.
"Pivot moves? Explosion" I don't know why but this got me, I laughed out loud.
I still love that goddamn popsicle. Can never explain why, but I look at it and am happier for it
it honestly is shocking how base 100 in any stat is considered mediocre solely due to power creep, really goes to show how balance in modern titles just gets thrown out of the window
Fun Fact: Regice is the second best ice-type Regi behind Tera Ice Regieleki
It’s funny regice was basically built for the pre special physical split because most of its weakness where physical so it had it could realistically get mileage out of its special bulk…. Only for that to get ruined one gen later the designed for regice must have been pissed that the physical special split was made.
Ok, hear me out. Special body press
Ngl you are the best power point presenter I’ve ever seen- a man who gives me hope
I love that it being an ice type doesn't even work for the naming convention. Regi-steel, Regi-rock, Regi-gigas, Regi-eleki, Regi-drago...Reg Ice
Yeah but it would look weird if it was regiice and not regice
Regifreeze, perhaps?
They can give Jynx a broken cheesy sleep move but no such luck for Regice.
Thank you so much for attending my presentation about why raging bolt is a menace to society, fist up lets take a look at its stats and believe it or not, this motherfcker has more special attack than flutter mane, and it's pretty tanky on physical defense but not in special defense. You're fine with not much bulk because it also has a signature move thats basically sucker punch but electric type and a special move. This counters urshifu really hard so it might see some play.
Thank you so much for watching.
"Regice's body can't be melted even by fire"
>Weak to fire type attacks
"Registeel's body is more durable than any metal and cannot be scratched"
>Weak to punches
"If any part of Regirock's body is damaged, it can repair itself with rocks"
>No recovery moves of any kind
Let my boy melt into regitube for a second chance at life
The best set for Regice (or at least the most unique one) is using gravity to increase the accuracy of blizzard, focus blast, and zap cannon so that Regice and its team can spam high power low accuracy moves.
I don't know much about competitive pokemon but I like to nod along and pretend I know what he's talking about
"Pivot moves? Explosion." Fucking got me
Rehice is a victim of changing game systems more than anything. It was fine (not good, but fine) in its debut generation, but the physical/special split basically destroyed its reason for existing.
So, one of the things that these type of videos always miss is that not only did Choice Specs not exist in ADV, almost every single one of Regice weaknesses was a physical one. While not as good as resistances that's still a decent profile with ADV's lower power.
From what I understand Regice back then was strong enough to still take some stray Fire Moves when pokemons used Hidden Power and Elemental punches for coverage,
I believe Regice still obviously folded to fighting type attacks, but that gen we were dealing with Brick Break most of the time, not the Close Combat that every single physical attacker gets these days. Steel was a low profile attacking type back then, and Rock was also still using the lower BP Rock slide. The bulky ice type and the bulky pokemon without immediate recovery is just a design that seems to have not aged well with the rising strength of metagames.
@@makenshao9886 Regice was pretty solid, but it's competition was Blissey, which was one of the best mons in the gen.
This is literally my favorite pokemon because to date it’s the only full-odds shiny I’ve ever gotten to date.
Granted I haven’t played pokemon for like six years but still
I like this big old block of ice. I used to run a specially defensive set with rest/sleep talk/ice beam/thunderbolt.
regice has a peak shiny though
Its just a wrap of shiny articunos skin honestly
I will protect my beloved block of ice with my life!!!!!!!!!! I wish it had unaware instead of clear body. A signature move would also be a sweet addition.
I know nothing about competitive pokemon other than Bidoof is banned, and this was pretty entertaining.
i like using regice in Gen 3 ADV OU because boltbeam is funny and because of a lack of phys/spec split, it can tank fire hits with it's high special defense (if it's not a STAB fire move, ex Salamence Fire Blast, Gengar Fire Punch)
And frankly even with STAB it's got enough special defense to justify its Pokedex entries.
Another classic case of Gamefreak trying to cook with defensive ice types
They cooked the ice and made water 🗿
I was considering a new stats distribution for the regis. For Regice, I got the following distribution in mind:
HP: 85
Atk: 60
Def: 90
Satk: 120
Sdef: 180
Spd: 45
This would make him more proficient offensively. Another way is giving him the Analytic ability.
But yeah, some simple movepool additions could do wonders as well. Moves that would help and make sense on him include: Freeze-Dry, Mirror Coat, Recover, Volt Switch, Calm Mind and Spikes.
I’ve been messing around with it in VGC and it’s surprisingly decent there with new snow mechanics, it ends up having absurd defense and spdef and 100% accurate blizzards with specs means it can do some good damage as well.
That being said, run a better ice type. Iron bundle and baxcalibur exist and make running regice basically pointless unless you just really love the mon
Really hope Regice gets Snow Warning and Regirock gets Sand Stream at some point just to help them out a bit. That leaves Registeel with nothing, so give it Filter or something I guess idk.
They need an Ice type version of spikes where the Pokémon places sharp icicles on the ground. Non Ice types entering battle, take damage and their speed is lowered by one stage.
Calm mind + stored power could be quite the threat. Also chilly reception and/or aurora veil would give it some utility. If freeze was frostbite again and it had a chill-o-wisp option that would be huge. With the defense boost from snow it's be an unbreakable wall
I feel like Ice should resist Grass. Grass is the defacto "wood" type and when you freeze Sawdust it winds up with a structural density about half as strong as steel.
Does Grass really need to be resisted by EIGHT types tho?
I thought maybe it should resist Water seeing as Ice is frozen water and the two sort of coexist in the poles; and it'd help slow down Water spam (like Iron Bundle and Palafin) and give Ice a nice resistance to a common attacking type.
Yes because grass totally needs another type to resist it, also how would ice resist wood and vines shattering it? Thank god y’all don’t work at game freak..
How does Steel resist Ghost and Dark then it doesn't?
You sound like your dad breastfed you.
I will NOT tolerate this Regice slander! Rock Polish WP Regice is REALLY funny even in OU! Tbolt Icebeam Focus Blast (or blizzard and thunder if you are feeling quite saucy, or zap cannon if even saucier) makes for the perfect coverage! It's biggest weakness is mainly priority moves, as it is weak to bullet punch from scizors and mach punches from bulky fighting types. It's great SpDef is PERFECT for this, as it can eat a flamethrower for 30-50% from most pokemon and basically shell smash! I have it on one of my most fun (and probably stupid) teams, a gravity centered team where it has the stronger options. Regice is no avalugg, but they are kind nonetheless!
It would be nice if Regice got Freeze Dry and Recover.
I wish Regice and the other Regis would be buffed, they're some of the coolest pokemon in the series
I was expecting a lore video... Wasn't disappointed tho haha
Ice should resist Electric because cold temperature drains battery life.
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I've never seen such a direct video that stood true to it's title as yours.
I genuinely love it, please keep going!
Damn, GameFreak really gave Regice the cold shoulder
Best Power Point ever.
Short and packed with a lot of usefully information. Great work!
I once on the playground bodied my friend with a double team amnesia Regice.
My favourite Regi by far, only been useful once in my life.
Makes a cool plushie tho
They took away rock polish away from my boy 😭😭
They really need to give it Spikes. I mean, look at it, it's one giant ice spike!
During the Z move fad I made a very fun and surprisingly effective regice who ran z gravity, blizzard, zap cannon, and focus blast. Z gravity boosts the users special attack and multiplies accuracy by 5/3, so Zap cannon became 83% accurate (not great, but less accurate moves have been run in competitive) and focus blast becomes 116% accurate! Pretty good for a pair of 120 base power moves. Also ran blizzard over ice beam since it also becomes 116% accurate and deals more damage. I of course debated running thunder instead of zap cannon to match all the accuracies, but I found more success with zap cannon, oddly enough. I do think the strategy worked better in doubles with someone to give regice an actual item, though, as running psychium z for that is... not ideal in singles. Still got some surprise wins and KOs with it in singles, though.
When I saw Regice came back in the DLC, I was hopeful, begging that they'd give it a SINGLE bone.
_It got more useless phsyical moves, it didn't get recover. My poor fave legendary is done dirty yet again._
This channel is great. And welcome Boibo
Its clearly a pillar of ice and works well as one.
Battling? Oh, no. Just let em shine.
Idk how many of your vids I watched before subbing, but after this one I checked to see if I was subbed and went "Oh shit, I should do that!" Lmao
Crazy idea: give a tanky ice type an ability that mitigates super effective moves so itll actually be useable
This reminds me of that one instagram page that made memes only about regice, and they were lowkey funny
Imagine how much better Ice would be if it resisted Water too.
I like Regice only for its design.
It's shaped like a friend. :)
It just comes down to how little Gamefreak adjusts old Pokemon to new mechanics and Pokemon each generation.
Everyone cheer for Boibo! He isn't like his brother, but he's trying his best, and we love him for that.
I found amusing that Rock and Ice types are more effective on offense than defense, yet most of their Pokémon are slow and bulky. Ice-type managed to break the curse by having a few glasscanon, but it doesn't solve Regice and Regirock. What are the options? I don't know, but here a few of them:
*Option 1:* Give them a recovery moves. It could be *Recover.* After all, Garganacl is a 100 HP, 130 Defense and 90 Sp. Def. with 100 in Attack, while Regirock is a 80 HP, 200 Defense and 100 Sp. Def with 100 in Attack too. Sure, Regirock has better stats, but Salt Cure is what makes Garganacl, way better than Toxic.
*Option 1.5:* I would have said: give Body Press to Regirock!
It already has it. Should we introduce a Special counter-part to Body Press like "Mind Shine" (a Psychic-type moves) or "Slimy Slam" (a Poison-type moves), and give it to Regice?
*Option 2:* Introduce a new ability that would reduces their weaknesses. It could replace their hidden abilities. Here an example: *Unbreakable:* _The Pokémon solidifies its mineral body, which halves the damage taken from Fighting- and Steel-type moves._ Here, Regirock is only weak to Grass, Water and Ground, while Regice is only weak to Fire and Rock.
*Option 3:* Change the type-chart. I think a few weaknesses should be removed in order to fix dual-types with 2 dual weaknesses. Such as:
- Makes Ice neutral to Fighting-type moves. It would solve Ice/Steel (Alolan Sandslash) and Ice/Rock (Aurorus).
- Makes Rock neutral to Ground-type moves. It would solve Rock/Steel (Probopass) and Rock/Fire (Magcargo)
I would even throw a Ground resistance to Ice-type in the mix, in order to add a new hard-counter to Ground.
*Option 4:* Redesign the legendary trio, by giving a new lore that would make them eligible to a lot more moves. For example, the ability to shapeshift: imagine Regice being able to liquefy like Vaporeon. It would justify the addition of many Water-type moves (currently almost none), and many shapeshifting moves (like Acid Armor). Regirock could do the same with Lava.
they could give regirock and regice filter or heatproof/solid rock
They should give Regice Refrigerate for that icy explosion
I do think its at least decent in doubles with snow, when you have snow and aurora viel up even on the physical side ots ridiculously bulky with hp investment. With ice body and leftovers its also healing quite a bit per turn. Its not great or even that good but its something especially for one of my favorite pokemon of all time.
If he could use stealth rock he’d be a good hazard setter
They should really just give all regis recover at this point
the biggest joke GF played on ice types was making most of them bulky/defensive then making the type awful defensively
By the length of the video I though it was gonna be about the name being weird, I’ll always read it Regi-ice
i really enjoy these videos. simple, fast, gives you all the info.
Out pf all Pokémon he chose Regice and I'm here for it
One day we will get a melted version of regice that is a water type and will be the bulkiest water ever
I watch your videos because your username is just amazing
Jokes on you, next gen we're gonna get alternative regi forms that will break the meta
I would watch a 30minute powerpoint about regice
regice at least has the excuse of actually being very good when it was made back in 2002. frosmoth is a SLOW ICE/BUG type that could not even be saved by quiver dance. it was released in 2019.
you should make a video on the fact game freak released a woefully understatted pure bug type in 2022, which i can only try to explain by the fact it's on route 1, yet you can also find flamigo on route 1.
I’ve said this in several videos covering the weaknesses of the ice type but they should give it resistances similar to rock because it’s also solid but with some changes. Have it resist flying, bug, normal, ground, electric and ice (it does already). My logic for ground and electric is that moves like earthquake and thunderbolt are common coverage moves and with it resisting the moves, bulkier ice types can take the hits better or switch in predicting it and it differentiates it from the rock type. As for electric it has to do with how chemistry works and that with ice being frozen water, electricity can’t travel through it as easily compared to it’s liquid form so it’s an irl resistance to conductivity. Hail did get changed to snow and giving ice types a 50% defense boost while it’s active so that’s one step in the right direction at least.
In no way should buffing ice mean nerfing bug even more lol. It should just gain fairy/water resistances, and lose its rock weakness.
At least it can learn Rest, which is more than can be said about another Regi...
Ice should be trained to resist water, bug, and grass.
I'd like to believe your name is a reference to tekken and you're gonna make these cool power points for not only pokemon but for tekken as well
god i love regice so so so so much
Regice is now the second best ice type Regi after Regieleki😊
“Defensive ice ty-“
ZU.
Regice should just get an ice type version of dragons maw.
Just give regice calm mind 😊
atleast it has the potential to be by far the strongest pokemon in gen 1
with a monstrous special of 200 + amnesia + blizzard makes it an absolutely insane threat
couple this with it's ice typing giving it weaknesses that are a total non issue for an ice resist that is very welcome ontop of being immune to freeze
i struggle to think of a single other pokemon who'd beat it if dropped into the meta of gen 1
so, there's that
Funnily enough it was able to wall things in Gen 3, and its 100 Base Special isnt that bad, if you want him to be a slow sweeper. A Victim of Powercreep for sure, and very counterproductive to its Stats, but it was able to work for a while.
I run an assault vest ice body regice in Hail room and it is definitely a member of that team!
the biggest flaw with most pokemon is that they're pokemon. It's defensive and slow because it's a big block of ice, visually
I wish it had something like No Guard so I could throw Zap Cannons and Blizzards and not miss