I likes them ngl. Platinum was my first game and even with the content drops I still liked them. Battle frontier being dropped sucks but battle tower is still fun. Underground does help the dex variety and the difficulty being inconsistent is technically a bad thing but I enjoyed the challenge. On the topic of platinum’s story line, that was never going to return. They are Diamond and pearl remakes and as a result I’d say their responsibility was to improve dp. In that regard they kinda succeeded, minus Pokémon variety. Overall I’d say Bdsp is not as terrible as everyone says. Is it the best, no, but it is certainly not the worst and is not bad.
No what happen was ILCA developing concets that was more akin to an 3d open sandbox like skyrim and Zelda Breath of Wild for BDSP like what we had in legends but in a mondern sinnoh setting. There probably would of been overworld battle with all the gen 8 mechanics more akin to scarlet and violate unlike the bare bones system in legend. But with Junichi Masuda and other higher ups at GF's and the pokemon company's terrable management & leadership is what lead to the rushed cutcorner version of Diamand& Pearl. The cuts were so bad that items were missing, features from the original gutted out like the contest being turn into a dance minigame with the contest pokemon move showoffs like from gen3 being removed, alot secret bases features being cutdown to an art gallery, barely any additions from platinum with no battle frontier, nor any new areas outside of the underground, and finally just a copy and paste of the same story with no changes like Oras had. On top of that PokemonDex Cuts doesnt help it ethier, with almost half the pokedex missing, even region varients were not included. BDSP would be no different than that of crappy rom hack of DP that only adds battle system update to gen 8, newer generation moves and lacking later generation pokemon. As well as having crappy scripting were it would break both contest and secret bases.
@@BananaR777thank you. Someone else gets what was happening during bdsp's dev time. I and many waited a long time for gen 4 to be remade and considefing gen 4 was and is my fav gen I have never been so disappointed with TPC/GF as much as I was when the fifst trailer came out and over time my disappointement got worse and now I don't want to buy anymore remakes because fans of gen 4 were robbed and the games will never be remade again. We missed our chance because of TPC. Not ILCA, but the heads of the franchise who get the final say. If only Ishihara would step down as ceo and someone of a newer generation would replace him that way they could bring less traditional japanese business practices which can screw things up for the company because the ones on top are always right and can never be wrong or corrected, while those who work for them are nothing, but subservient
To add insult to injury, these games aren't even remakes, they're remasters. They ported the source code to Unity, gave it new graphics and music, and called it a day. It still checks for GBA games in the bottom slot whenever you go to Ramanas Park, and people have found new glitches in the original games from examining this game's code.
👍 Thanks, and very Good to know. I mean yea, BDSP marked a _real low_ for the Franchise I love. But I'm forgiving and thankfully the massive improvements in Legends Arceus and then SV and the extremely strong sales for both those games will prevent them from ever dipping back into Cheap Ch!bi hell again lol. Hopefully. 🤞
@@TKDPandaaIs kinda like a hybrid, which depending on how good the original game was it's a good or bad thing. Diamond and Pearl are not good to begin with so when you have something arguably worse...
@@N12015 I'd say they're better than the originals, even if the soul is completely gone. But you're still better off just playing Platinum, especially if it's a modded rom that makes it run in 60 fps.
The controversy is essentially that they just remastered Diamond and Pearl, basically the same game with minimal changes and new assets. Rather than the more thorough remakes the previous games had, where there were a lot more substantial changes from the original games.
Then why did People hate let's go? They made so many great changes in those games and the new catch System was so fun. I'm also glad the original 151 (+Meltan and Melmetal) were the only avaliable pokemon.
@@SajimSalkic The catch system is a pain if you wanna grind up a team of Pokemon without having to fill boxes. While I'm down with a Kanto remake with Fairy types and stuff, I still want the option to battle wild Pokemon if I so wish.
The ONLY reason I enjoyed BDSP is because I never played diamond or pearl... If I did, I'd be livid: it's just because BDSP was a carbon copy of diamond and pearl.
It’s worse than the originals. The affection mechanic and forced exp share completely break the game. The only substantial improvement was the Sinnoh underground. FRLG, HGSS and ORAS were all much better than the original games. I was disappointed by BDSP
@@jimmymackinnon8474 i'd still say this Undergorund was worse cause Secret bases were removed. Other than that contests sucked, and no platinum content or Delta epsisode like post game. Was literally just Diamond and Pearl done worse
I never played either of those original games and I for one actually enjoyed playing them. Especially when you get to have one of your Pokemon walk alongside you or customize your pokeballs. I don't care if you guys start hating me for this but I stand by my decision. I still like the game
@@princeofpokemon2934 I mean to each their own, I'd understand if it was first time then I see how you can enjoy. Just only really applies if people played the OGs first
It seems that the reasons most people have for not liking BDSP lean heavily on the petty side. I was very unhappy with ORAS because I was very attached to Emerald as it was my first Pokemon adventure, and ORAS changed too much of it. I was cheated out of being able to play platinum when it came out because my mom accidentally bought a shoddy bootleg on Amazon by mistake and after I got to Jubilife the game crashed and then every time I forced it into my DS (The cartridge had a huge bulge which, when opened, revealed a large chunk of what looked like tar) it would crash the system menu running the risk of bricking it. I never got to experience Gen 4 and I believe all the changes made to diamond and pearl are positive ones. The graphics are not bad at all, when they said they were making faithful remakes, they meant it. People just hate on these games because they wanted them to play like Sword and Shield, yknow, modern. But as someone who grew up on Emerald, who was cheated out of Platinum, and didn't like ORAS all that much, I enjoyed my time with these remakes, and now I'm doing a second playthrough in 2024 and still enjoying myself. BDSP isn't bad, you're all just mean.
@@TKDPandaa i started with diamond and pearl 2007-2008 (old guard) 1-2 years Pokémon Platinum came out and even i admit Platinum outgunned diamond and pearl so hard it made it obsolete i rank diamond and pearl 2007 higher than bdsp by virtue of Platinum not existing and your force to embrace the dark arts for younger people than me (new guard)
@@TKDPandaa and how are they going to explain how in black and white 1 Looker and Cynthia That was beyond my expectation! What an exceptional battle! You certainly bear a resemblance to that Trainer who faced Giratina... Oh, pardon me. I was just thinking out loud. I love being here in spring and summer. I can't stay all year, because there's so much to investigate in Sinnoh, as well. You're a great Trainer, and it would make me happy to see you again sometime Cynthia Undella Town bw1
@Bludbenis You’re right Sucks but Johto is next AGAIN ugh. Since gen 7 they’re now going to remake the third sister games, so first Yellow and now Crystal and next games after will be gen 10 and finally Unova remakes, however before gen 6 remakes we’ll get new Hoenn re-remakes based on Emerald.
It’s sad because there was so much hype for gen 4 remakes. Gen 4 games were my personal favourites so I was super excited for the remakes but man, bdsp was a huge disappointment for me and to this day I’m still sad about it :(
i feel the exact same way. and it sucks cause after waiting for so long, we ended up with that remake, and now we won't be getting a revisit to gen 4 anytime soon :(
I'm confused? Surely you want a remake to allow you to relive your childhood authentically, I seem to be the only person in the comments who liked BDSP lol
@@5uper5kill3rzI also liked it as well. It would be cool to see some new things, but I thought the game was alright and allowed me to relive apart of my childhood. I think if they would remake Platinum or remaster it that would be cool because it would give them another shot to get things “right.” I doubt they’ll do that though. Sometimes I think we just gotta take it for what it is.
4 words. Blame The Pokemon Company. They were responsible for the game being rushed. Originally ILCA wanted to have an open worldish overworld among other stuff according to their proof of concept of the games, but despite not working on them directly, Masuda had to tell the devs to rush it. The proof of ILCA is not being as incompetent as people think is them working on games like Ace Combat 7, Neir Automata, and One Piece Odyssey Adventure. They have a pretty solid repertoire of games so even if they only supposedly contributed to a small part of those games I stated above, they weren't just some new or small dev who got handed it just to get it over with
Gonna need a source on that, because the only info I saw was internal concept art that was prefaced with the phrase "The images were drawn to share common understandings of the settings' mood, climate, and luminosity amongst the development team." That doesn't tell us anything about ILCA's approach to the game's design. Only vague aspects of the setting.
@@linguicaguy okay so my take on the whole "open world-ish" concept was me being stupid and not knowing how to exactly describe the concepts at the time so I apologize for that, but whether the art was just a concept to get everyone to understand the mood and such or not, the fact that the final outcome was less than what the concept was drawn to look like shows that either ILCA backtracked on the idea or they were told by someone at TPC that they had to hurry it up. The latter is more believable considering how we know about GF's schedule.
If you didn’t do any research, just say that. ILCA did NOT choose Chibi, Nintendo forced them to. Look at their concept art. This had the potential to be something truly incredible.
Luminescent Platinum, the rom hack you mentioned, is the saving grace of these games. I’m in the project’s discord server and they’ve seriously gone and taken these lackluster cashgrabs of games and turned them into genuine labors of love.
@@utvm6748I started playing in Japanese and I feel like I'm at such a disadvantage with Pokémon names and move names 😭 Some items are obvious, きずくずり or モンスターボール but I didn't realise how much not knowing move or Pokémon names puts me st a disadvantage
No, this is BS, an example of why you should never lisent to nobody on TH-cam. The games are the same as the originals. Talking shit generates more views.
@@richardv5942That’s right, they are the same games. The same games that released in 2006, now released in 2021 and $20 more expensive. They even come with the same bugs and lack the extra content added by their third release game. How generous of the multimillion dollar company.
@@richardv5942the original D&P were just as bland. all of the bugs & glitches in bdsp were in D&P too. people accepted it when it was on the DS because of the limitations of the hardware, and because most of the people who were playing the games (who are talking about it now) were under the age of 13 and weren't already exposed to as much of the same game formula for decades at that point yet. There's a reason why there was a substantial change in both story & gameplay in Platinum (i.e; reverse world, battle frontier, etc).
I really wish Bdsp was in the style of Oras. By that I mean, take the gimmick of the generation, and integrate it into the story of the remake. I know swsh says dynamax only occurs in Galar, but in reality dynamax is just Eternatus’ power. They could’ve made something up like after the Eternamax incident, Eternatus’ energy spread all over the world, and that’s why there’s Dynamax in Sinnoh. They could’ve even put the raid dens in the underground instead of cramming them into existing routes. As well as actually being in the same style as Swsh too with full character models and all that
Considering Eternamax Eternatus' Shield Entry, there is a Space Time relation to Dynamax, and I really wanted to see how that could interact with Palkia and Dialga. A missed opportunity for GF to not implement that mechanic in BDSP to expand on the Dynamax lore.
Even just have Eternatus's egg contain some residual Dynamax power. As gigantamaxing is a change of form, it could be of interest to Rowan who studies evolution (damn, great time for mega evolution missed too!) Perhaps he was sent some samples of the egg's shell to study, you and the rival get a Dynamax device as well as some E4 and champions embedded with part of it so you can Dynamax outside galar.
@@jaythephoenixThat’s what really pisses me off. XY confirmed that Sycamore trained under Rowan to study Pkmn evolution too so theres that connection, they couldve brought back Megas like they did in LGPE.
According to the pitch from the leaks they didn't want to make BD/ SP. They only wanted to make Legends Arceus but then it seems they got worried about fan backlash and decided to put out BD/ SP.
1:09 They're not remakes. They're enhanced editions like Crystal, Emerald and Platinum, but split into two versions so they could make more money and capitalize on Necrozma having multiple forms like Kyurem, but it made sense for Black/White because they at least got an *ENTIRELY* new story. USUM just reworks trainer teams, adds more Pokémon variety and changes up/expands the endgame and postgame activity, at the cost of Lillie and Lusamine's character arcs sucking. GAME FREAK would never remake a game literally a *YEAR* after the original games launched.
I think Pokémon SV’s Indigo Disk DLC is setting the scene for Black and White remakes because it’s hinting that Terastallization is possible in Unova. If true, then I doubt they will get the BDSP treatment.
Its hated because they just grabbed the original Gen 4 games, put a new coat of paint on them, then resold it at $60 for a game that we already had and added nothing different. When frlg,hgss, and oras expanded the gen by adding new content new form or much needed added lure that helped make certain characters more fleshed out
When you say "they just grabbed the original games", that is... probably more accurate than what you meant. Turns out that almost all of the code was just ripped right out of the original Diamond and Pearl. Apparently, one area still tries to check the GBA port, even though the last device to have that was the Nintendo DS Lite.
@@Seniorsneaky123 I think they're alright, but not quite as balanced as Mega Evolution was. With Mega Evolution, you had to give up their held item slot for their Mega Stone (except for Rayquaza, for some reason), while Dynamaxing and Terastylizing don't. I still think the latter two are neat ideas, but Mega Evolution was the best.
@luigiRobs14 Not even Game Freak, but The Pokemon Company. Game Freak actually had little to no power in the franchise, outside of Masuda being a fool. They're essentially slaves for TPC, which is why they half-assed gen 6 so much and tried to make their own IPs during this era (and failed horribly, cause Game Freak is still an incompetent game company, despite all their success.)
"How can the romhack do it better than gamefreak?" Because Gamefreak is a mediocre dev that's been coasting on their fans' nostalgia and low standards for 20 years.
I genuinely cannot deal with the fact that this 'remake' turned out the way it did. It has forever tainted not only Sinnoh's legacy, but the Pokémon franchise itself past, present and future in my eyes. This game is why I go into every new Pokémon game expecting to hate it. This game is why I despise those who would defend the Pokémon Company and/or GameFreak from well-deserved criticism. I despise BDSP... because it is symbolic/emblematic of everything about the Pokémon franchise that has been forever lost, forever discarded in the wake of the Pokémon Company's insatiable greed. It is, without hyperbole, the most insulting, most spirit-breaking video game I have ever seen, let alone played. Scarlet & Violet may be a broken mess, but at least it's not as blatantly, as unapologetically insulting as BDSP.
One of the most scummiest things bdsp did was releasing the physical versions on cheaper cartridges, and forcing the players to download the rest of the game in a "day one patch", this day one patch is required for the entire post game to become available as well as the official music and not placeholder music. so whenever the switch's online connectivity dies it will literally be impossible to experience 50% of the game's total file size if not downloaded prior
And people called me crazy saying that DLC and one day patch are scummy as fuck when the onlinr service gets shut down. Now we see how everyone panics about the 3DS and WiiU.
It's also impossible if you can't connect your Switch to the internet. And considering how utterly convoluted and stupid the Switch's online connectivity is, a lot of players outside of big cities can't do that!
Coming from someone who hasn’t played a Sinnoh game before BDSP… I’m taking that advice. I hate BDSP and I don’t want my first Unova or Johto experience to be BDSP all over again. (Why specifically those two? Because those are the only regions that I haven’t played a game that takes place there yet)
There’s actually content and concept art showing BDSP was originally gonna be more like ORAS/HGSS and sword and shield but it seems like Game Freak/Nintendo made them change it too avoid competing with Legends Arceus or whatever….
Ahh, most interesting. I mean, the Community were definitely presuming something like this - and indeed later it was found by Miners that the game's actual code was from the OG gen3 - it's basically a re-skinned port!
“They had 10 years to get it right” Bro they had 15 years. And I waited for every single day. Not giving that ungrateful company a single dollar of mine again.
I grew up with diamond and platinum and didn’t care for the newer games beyond gen 5. I don’t like the new gimmicks, the new pokemon designs and the general direction Pokemon has gone. The fact that BDSP didn’t change anything suited me perfectly. I think it was made for fans like me who just wanted to play the old games with a fresh lick of paint
☝️ This That's why I got interested in rom hacks. They expand the world while keeping the old stuff. I don't like stuff beyond gen 5, that's why hacks are so amazing
As someone who started with Gen 4 and whose first introduction to Pokémon was through Diamond and Pearl, you could imagine my excitement hoping that we’d get a remake like HGSS or ORAS. Only for that excitement to turn into utter disappointment when BDSP were announced and eventually released. Rather than giving Sinnoh a fresh can of paint and new foundation, they just painted over the cracks and did nothing to expand Sinnoh. I’m incredibly fearful of Gen 5 remakes just because of how lazy these games were
As a Unova Fan who grew up on gen 5 (being 9 in 2011) I hate how the next games in 2024 are going to be beautiful upscaled Johto remakes bc Gamefreak loves pandering gens 1-2 so much while the inevitable gen 5 remakes will look worse than BdSp smh.
After Oras I was hoping that every remake would take place in the mega evolution timeline. That way they could make the new pokemon in the classic style and let them have the spotlite, while slowly introducing new mega evolutions.
The DP remakes could have been so much better if they just went ORAS/LPE route. They could have just made the remakes in the art style of Let’s Go, use Platinum improvements as a base for gameplay, add around 100 Pokémon from later gens and bring back mega evolution to continue the mega timeline. It was so easy to make remakes that would be beloved and they still fucked up…
I hear you, and it's true that many fans had high hopes for the DP remakes. It seems like you were expecting a more faithful and enhanced remake, similar to what we saw in ORAS and Let's Go games. Incorporating improvements from Platinum, introducing newer Pokémon, and continuing the mega evolution storyline could have made for a fantastic experience. It's frustrating when a game falls short of expectations, especially when the potential for something great was there. Your disappointment is understandable.
Same bro, idk what people were expecting when they bought this game but it’s everything a remake should be, the same game it was with some minor improvements. And that’s exactly what this was. The end where you get to catch every legendary was an amazing addition
@@iv0453 how tf does that make sense, I’m coping?? I love the ORIGINAL diamond, and when I played this one it was the exact same game with new graphics and a bit more content. A remaster truthfully doesn’t even need added content but it was appreciated. Now go through your fit that you didn’t get Pokémon diamond and pearl 2 even though it never said it was gonna be that
Great video! I think if BDSP had a few more months in development and added new content it would be have been much more well received. There should have been way more Hisui connections in BDSP and if you had save data for Legends Arceus the Hisuian Pokémon should have been catchable somewhere in BDSP. Or at least allowed them to be transferable. Not having the Hisui Pokemon in BDSP cause the fan base to get confused and think these Pokemon went extinct when it was confirmed they are not. The chibi art style wasn’t too bad, but the issue was that many fans were expecting something more like ORAS did so fans were ready to experience Sinnoh in the engine of SwSh. BDSP with more Pokemon and more content would have made the game so many times better.
Thank you and well said! I wish they did those connections with legends arceus that would of been so cool. Also yes i wish these games had the ORAS treatment but they didn’t. If they experimented with a different art style i wish they did for a different game 😭
@@TKDPandaa Yes! Just imagine, all they had to do was give Us a modified Sword & Shield engine just like Millenniumloops did; it was nothing beyond their current Abilities at all! Only need slightly more time maybe.
I don't think that more time would've saved it. The game is technically sound (leagues above scarlet violet). Knowing Nintendo and how they operate, they probably gave the instruction of "do Not change anything unless we say so".
The problem was that some fans didn't really like Diamond and Pearl to begin with due to its story and other things. Platinum improved and fixed some things and that's why people always praise it.
That's what I call revisionist history. I grew up through Gen 1 to 4, and nobody cared about the stories back in the day. Pokemon isn't a franchise that became successful for its storytelling. It took until Gen 5 before we actually got a good story (by Pokemon standards), and then years later, Gen 5 kids grew up and decided that storytelling did matter. Which retroactively brought hate to the previous gens even though Gen 5 would have never existed without the success of the previous gens. I guarantee you that nobody hated DP until years later.
@@jinkun2629there is a lot of rewriting of history going on at the moment. Just look at the vitriol Gen 2 (and by extension Johto) is suddenly getting. Suddenly being a sequel/expansion on Kanto is a bad thing, despite that being the thing that made it popular in the first place. We've all forgotten how much hate Gen 3 got when it first came out. People didn’t like the national dex cut in Gen 8? We already had one of those when Ruby and Sapphire came out. They completely severed all ties to the first 2 gens, and people hated it. Diamond and Pearl were not universally hated. There was a, "yeah Platinum is better" moment, but that was the same for Emerald compared to Ruby and Sapphire. Platinum built on what had already been done well in Diamond and Pearl. In fact I unironically prefer Diamond over Platinum (I recognise that Platinum is better technically but there are certain changes which makes key plot moments less fun for me). There is an element of dissatisfaction with ORAS similar to some of the backlash to BDSP. There is a regression in enemy teams to Ruby/Sapphire teams (which were always inferior to Emerald's), a loss in the original Emerald plot line with both evil teams causing problems across Hoenn. This was lost in remaining loyal to Ruby and Sapphire. The same thing happened with BDSP, the difference is that ORAS makes up for it with overall improvements, and alignment with the current gens graphics and mechanics. BDSP does neither of these things. The lack of platinum is only one of many issues.
As someone who had Platinum as his first Pokémon game I'm playing through Pearl right now. It's really not that bad. It's flawed and obviously inferior to Platinum but I'm not hating myself for playing it. This shit remake (which is a lazy, poorly balanced pile of crap even when it stands on its own.) probably just tainted your memories of it.
BDSP was the most disappointing thing I've ever seen in my life. I really had hope in it! I'm so sad my favorite generation had such an awful remake but its whatever😭 Wish they even at least based it off Platinum, and even Platinum fixed some of the issues that DP Had like the slowness(other than the HP Bar). Hope future remakes dont end up like this. Great Video Mark!😄👍
No Mega Evolutions, no species beyond Generation IV, same trainer battles, and lack of other decent features all serve as a principal reason why BDSP failed to make the charts. Even if ILCA, Inc. was responsible for the works instead of Game Freak, there are many more reasons why a remake seemed to be rushed without a trace.
A true remake should combine all aspects and features of the games they're remaking. Like you said, the Suicune chase from Crystal was in HGSS. The Delta Episode in ORAS was an enhancement from Emerald with the ability to catch Rayquaza plus they added for the first time ever the ability to find & catch Deoxys officially without events. BDSP are just 3D ports of the Gen 4 games with barely added content.
You make a valid point about what fans often expect from a true remake. Many successful remakes have combined and enhanced the features and content from multiple games in the same generation. It's true that BDSP, while bringing Sinnoh into 3D, didn't introduce as much new content or features as some fans had hoped. Different fans have different expectations for remakes, and it's natural for them to express their preferences and feedback. Hopefully, future Pokémon remakes will continue to evolve and meet the desires of the fanbase.
Exactly I think it’s hilarious before the patches in a bdsp speedrun you could beat the game with battling maybe 1 trainer. Sure you could do that in rby, but that was 27 years ago
@fanarkboy8543 Not just that; they're legitimately worse than Diamond and Pearl due to the forced Exp Share and Affection, along with "trying to balance the over-leveling out" by making an insanely hard, Battle Frontier-level Elite Four, while 99% of the game before that was stupidly boringly easy. Adding those two horrendous "modern era" bullsh*t elements into BD/SP literally make them unplayable for me, and it's why the last official Pokemon game I've bought was Ultra Moon.
@@MarvinPowell1 I agree. Forced EXP Share and affection really makes the game way too easy. I wish we could go back to the good old days when Exp.Share was a held item.
What i like from ORAS is that they brought in the gimmick from the latest Pokemon game at it's time, mega evolutions, it simply brings a little more variety into the game and a more fresh experience to it's veterans at least.
@@flaregamer64 that one is pretty understandable, dynamax and gigantamax is too crazy imo, you literally need to change a whole gym or league for it to work. But i do wish they brought terrastalization to unova remake, terrastalize was simple and straight forward.
ORAS really did have it all. It's still my favourite ever, just above the gen5 games and then (yea I know, controversy time 🙄) , the gen9 games Scarlet & Violet.
you see, that sounds horrible to me. I hated mega evolutions, I've never played a new game since X & Y and I'm not even sure I finished that, so glad Brilliant Diamond is basically a remaster.
When Fans ask for a Diamant/Perl Remake they wanted a Remake of Platinum not Diamant and Perl. The OG D/P already isn't good and only the many changes Platinum made did end up making Sinnoh one of the best Regions.
Platinum remake would have been sooo much better. In platinum you had access to fire types like houndoom so you weren't forced to choose infernape or rapidash. And that's just 1 example
@ljmendez6930 I think you misunderstood. They are talking about the remakes. They are saying when we got BDSP, we wanted essentially a platinum remake with all the bonuses of platinum and access to the new gen 8 pokemon and fairy type. What we got was a gen 8 port of the original diamond and pearl and got none of the benefits of platinum
I just realized i havent bought or even played a Pokemon game since Sun/ Moon. Literally eveygame since then i decided to skip because it wasnt good enough.
i’m in a tough spot cause the last pokemon i played was sun on my 2DS and i finished it and now having a switch it seems the switch pokemon games are disappointments 🤦🏾♂️
The battles just feel so slow. There are so many animations that can't be skipped. They really need to add a speed up function like most emulators have
Do you know that people complaining in social media are only a small portion of playerbase? Most people dont care about all those things. They just buy the game and play
I'm playing it now for the first time, and I was prepared to hate it. But I don't. It doesn't size up to the other remakes, which I also replayed somewhat recently and they had a lot more to offer the player. But it's not horrible -- just some poor directional choices. I think they executed their concept competently (after the bug fixes.) They just didn't nail the concept as well as they could have.
Agreed, BDSP was my first main series Pokemon game that I’d played since USUM, and while it certainly doesn’t hold up as a remake when compared to others like HGSS and ORAS, it was a great first Pokémon game on the switch after a few years of not playing and since Pearl was my first ever game I easily racked up 150+ hours on it. I really appreciated the fact that in theory, as long as you know someone with the opposite version you could complete the National dex and there were some fantastic additions such as the Grand Underground. Of course now that I’ve played PLA all of my brain cells have been going there ever since, but by no means were they bad
I haven't played it myself because of how much hate it was getting, but really, it sounds like people were just too greedy with what they wanted. All it really needs to be is modernized with QoL enhancements, which from the sounds of it, that's what it is. I really don't want a bunch of extra flair, I just want to relive Diamond without the slog of 2006 gameplay.
My only gripe was the character models, that being said I DON'T want any more remakes. I would much rather them revisiting older regions with new characters,protag,story and such like what they did with Black/White 2.
I actually caught a shiny male ralts the first time I went down into the underground section of shining pearl, and you best believe I evolved it into a gallade the moment I got the dawn stone.
In terms of platinum’s content, I heard ILCA WANTED to include a ton of platinum content and kept getting shot down by Game Freak. They were under strict orders to make a remaster, not a remake. And of Diamond and Pearl, not platinum. It was the first time a mainline game was outsourced, so Game Freak didn’t want them taking creative liberties. Personally I also see Legends Arceus as the actual gen 4 remake. To me they were probably developing Legends and realized it’s far too different than Diamond and Pearl that it’s not even recognizable as their remake. So the solution was to make a paired release with a faithful remaster. That’s what I think happened though myself.
TKD, you'd have to ask gamefreak why bdsp came out the way it did , not ilca. Ilca's vision of the game would've looked like legends arceus ( but based in the present time) and it would've probably been just as good. Game freak or the pkmn company restricted them from doing so because they wanted legends arceus to shine more
Gen 4 was my first pokemon game. I was about 6 or 7 when I got it. I have a huge amount of nostalgia for this game, and it's disappointing to see how poor the remake was treated. The 3ds and Ds had limitations, so the table top like design was excusable. But for hardware that can run breath of the wild and mario Odyssey, I expected a more realistic approach rather than the awful chibi design. Remakes are supposed to change the way the old game looks not emulate the same style. I'd rather play the ds game than the switch.
I believe I remember reason not long after release that ILCA said their original vision for the game was full 3D in the style of sw/sh, but gamefreak the Pokémon company insisted on the chibi style.
I think Game Freak is really struggling not having a true handheld to develop for. That's clearly their territory and they have shown that they're struggling hard developing for mainline consoles.
Simple: it massacred what was one of the most anticipated Pokémon games to get a remake. Especially since this was the game that brought back the Pokémon hype and brought a lot of new fans (myself included). So for ILCA to put little effort to these games was a massive FU To fans. Basically HGSS and ORAS got the special treatment while us Gen 4 fans got nothing
The Chibi style didn't bother me all that much. It was the lack of an new content or improvements made by Platinum and other less than wanted changes that ruin this game for me.
My only problem with it is that it probably shouldn't have been full price. Still would rather play it over Let's Go, no doubt. At $40, the game would be a pretty easy recommendation (which it's very easy to find at that price now anyway, unlike other Pokemon titles).
My conspiracy is that they attempted to make a full open world modern style Diamond and Pearl, but couldn't make the technology work, work instead converted that into Legends Arceus, but were still contracted to make them so ILCA had to throw something together last minute. There's a thing when covering a song in music, where you can generally do one of two things, make it completely your own or make it mirror the original, any attempts to do an inbetween fails and ILCA went for the "mirror the original" take but it's just not what anyone actually wanted.
Chibi is fine, but it was not excecuted well either. The models don't look as charmig as something like Link's Awakening remake, they just ended up looking weird. This was compounded with big closeups that showed how the chibis barely emoted at all. Chibis worked on the DS because our brains filled in the blanks, but on the Switch we can plainly see that when pepole talk to each other, they don't REALLY talk, just they barely move and emote. It feels artificial. The last negative point about the chibis is that, instead of creating cutscenes with realistic proportions, you know, like ORAS did, no, they just used the in-game engine to make them and they look bad lol.
The experience share killed it for me. I was 10 levels over leveled by Champion Cynthia battle. I would have enjoyed them more if it was challenging as the original.
Honestly i used to be a giant hater of exp share but if you were 10 levels over leveled by the time you got to cynthia you likely did too much training against wild pokemon or something. I did none and i was right there on par or even a level or 2 lower than her pokemon and it was a very tough fight. Exp share only over levels you if you are training all the time but if you just train off the trainer battles then it puts you in a pretty good spot, especially if you are catching pokemon later down the line for your team instead of from the beginning
@@Jarhead402011 as someone that had played these games day 1 since 1998, this version was too easy. Did every trainer battle like a normal game and wasn’t grinding to get all the Pokémon as I 100% the dex of the original from 2007.
Heartgold and SoulSilver will always be the #1 best remakes ever in the games. ORAS was a good remake too though, just some minor changes made certain things more annoying in that version. But overall was pretty solid also.
One way they could’ve made BDSP stand out more would’ve been including the Hisuian Pokemon. Yes, they’d would make Legends Arceus somewhat redundant for Pokédex completion, but it still would’ve been something. Maybe they could’ve made it a compatibility update. If you have a Legends Arceus save file, Hisuian Pokemon’ll start appearing in BDSP. Or at least the cross-Gen evolutions like Kleavor to tease PLA more. (And why didn’t they include Sylveon or the 2 new Regis at the time?)
Well, I think Legends Arceus was in fact the real Sinnoh remake. It checked all the boxes of the 'great remake' with different storyline on a familiar region, new forms for the cover legendaries, new features, etc. But I feel PLA was such a massive departure in terms of gameplay. So BDSP were pushed (last minute decision? Due to the massive demand for Sinnoh anniversary title) to be the complementary titles, so that new players will understand the difference between the two. In a way, PLA IS the Platinum for BDSP's original Diamond and Pearl. That's why BDSP didn't include Platinum's content.
With then being compliments to each other I feel like the best way to experience them may be to play both at the same time. Maybe use home to evolve Pokémon in pla for Bdsp and vice versa. Obviously that shouldn’t be needed but that’s how I played them and I had a good time.
I agree, I said the same thing above. Plus the add on, is that I prefer BDSP having the Chibi artstyle I feel the whole point was to have that nostalgic feel for players that played the original games or were around then ,but couldn't, due to money issues(Me 😔). Not everything has to be a flippin open world game. It feels like the genre is getting muddied now, with every classic game trying to delve in open world. Not to say the newer games shouldnt be. I think PLA and SV were executed quite nice (with my only gripe being that SV storyline was boring af)
@@veliserbet6248 In defense of the storyline, it's really just the gym storyline that was boring to me. You're just going through the gyms, nothing exciting there to be honest. The Titans and Team Star were honestly a lot more engaging, I actually teared up during both of them. As for BDSP, yeah fully agree that it was likely not meant to be the real remake for Gen 4. It was more of a remaster than a remake, and even compared to FRLG, where the Gen they were launched in didn't really have any major gimmick, BDSP still felt even more lacking than them.
@BrokenSoulConfession Legends Arceus were trash to anyone who's ever played a JRPG that isn't Pokemon. ONLY people who have just played Pokemon games before, could call PLA "good." They were mediocre in a sea of gen 8 trash and had they not been Pokemon games, would've been reviewed as a "6 out of 10" at best. Honestly, they should've just made solid Sinnoh remakes of Diamond and Pearl and left the experimental "journey to the past" Breath of the Wild rip-offs to Scarlet and Violet. Sinnoh was done dirty by getting _two_ half-assed games, instead of one actual _good_ game. (Well, three if you count BD and SP as two different games, but you know what I mean.)
Bdsp sucked cuz its just D/P but worse, such as: Cut/watered down content such as the Underground and Contests, etc. It isnt just becuz its a D/P faithful remake, cuz they didnt even make it "faithful", its cuz they just made a bad game. The originals are still around and are still playable, this remake doesnt do anything to actually overshadow the originals and since it lacks content compared to its originals... just play those instead.
Black/White was the peak and last best game in the series. I can't imagine the backlash if they mess up the remake. On another note, it's 2023 and there's still only 1 save file. That needs to be changed.
Honestly, I was excited at the first trailer for BDSP when I saw the chibis. I thought “Pokemon was so much better with chibi models!” Mainly referring to gens 1-5. But gens 6 and 7 were pretty good too. It seemed like a lot of corners were cut and issues arose once the games tried going with a more true-to-size feel (gens 8 and 9). When I saw that Pokemon following us would be back, I felt validated. Like “This is why chibis were the right choice! They make things easier to program and will allow for improvements in other aspects of the game that people actually care about!” And then… The games came out. First day patched were needed, the in game experience was too much, the affection stat made things too easy, they butchered contests, a lot of aspects from Platinum weren’t included, and so forth and so on. I wanted to believe so badly that these games were going to go back to the franchise’s roots and prioritize quality of game play over trying to look realistic. And I was so disappointed. It sucks how 4th gen was the personal favorite for a lot of people (myself included). And 5th genners tend to be some of the most devout in the community. I hope that the inevitable remakes for that gen are much better.
Your perspective highlights the anticipation and potential disappointment that can come with the release of new Pokémon games. It's clear that you, like many fans, had certain expectations for Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, especially with the return of chibi-style graphics. It can be disheartening when a game doesn't meet those expectations, particularly for a generation as beloved as the 4th one. Fans' attachment to specific generations and their hopes for the future are a testament to the enduring appeal of the Pokémon series. With each new release, there's a mix of excitement and apprehension. Here's hoping that future games, including remakes for the 5th generation, manage to balance nostalgia with meaningful improvements for the overall experience. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
The overworld style is also inconsistent with how the humans are chibis, but the Pokémon aren't, they're just their normal battle models downscaled to fit inside the grid, unlike say every Gen prior that used chibis also gave the Pokémon their chibi version to match the humans and the environment, which there's no excuse because this game has a limited dex so they didn't need to do a custom model for literally every Pokémon that existed up to that point, and shows how they went with chibis just for the sake of cutting corners by letting them easily copy paste the og overworld and grid without modifying it all that much besides an aesthetic bump, and weren't really comitted to embrace it, and by aesthetic bump I mean its just an upscale of the original's with no real improvements, all the way to even the bland forgettable locations the original had before Platinum made them not look like a bunch of recycled assets
Frankly, I think BDSP is better than the original Diamond and Pearl simply because of the addition of Grand Underground, Fairy types and dropping of HMs. Not as good as Platinum but still better than vanilla Diamond and Pearl. It's not my fave Pokemon game but I think its overhated.
They would have received less hate if it was Platinum, & Platinums story. They also locked evolution items after the elite 4. They also used gen 4 Diamond & Pearls Pokedex.
Judging by skimming over post-SV clout videos, BDSP is officially going to become the Sonic 06 of Pokemon. The game that's forever referenced by reviewers and non-fan observers as "proof the series is bad," even 15-20 years after its release. (Especially considering these people deliberately pretend Legends Arceus doesn't exist due to being a "side game" when it's more of a main series entry than BDSP was ever meant to be.)
@@SonicTheCutehogyeah but at least the new characters, pokemon, and story as a whole held it up, dp remakes were wanted for sooooooooooo long, abd was hyped up, but of course, they had to do what they did
BDSP was aggressively okay. They're heavily flawed but not terrible. One thing that I never understood was the complaints about the chibi artstyle. Literally every game before gen 6 had that same artstyle and nobody complained then. Hell even in gen 6 itself the main gameplay uses an artstyle halfway between chibi and realistic proportions.
I played Red, Blue, Yellow, Silver, Gold, and Crystal all when they were current. Feel lucky having gotten to experience the classic Pokemon games before the franchise fell off the cliff.
It's stupid cause they could've gone for an HD remaster or port of Diamond, Pearl & Platinum with HQ orchestrated music and that would've imo been better. I wanted to buy an Oled Switch for summer last year and the only ones left in stock were bundled with BDSP, so I had no choice but to buy it. Upon trying it I decided to play all the way to the league, but had soooo much trouble playing consistenly cause I didn't find any joy in it. I have never had this before with any of the previous Pokémon games. I hope BW remakes aren't gonna take the same route...
For real man i feel the same way. Literally and HD remaster or port of DP would of been so much better than the “new” art style. So let’s just pray that BW remakes aren’t like this 😭
The main issues I have with the game is the movement. Literally I couldn't move 2 feet without slamming into a rock or something. The reason this happens is because the player hit box is way to big. Sometimes it makes it unenjoyable. Anyway Gr8 Vid!
The remakes just feel half-assed. It didn’t include any of the improvements of Platinum. They put all the legendaries in just one area. In the gen2 remake, they added new areas to Johto for legendaries. The distortion world should’ve been there. Just an okay game.
I'm hoping the remake of Pokemon Black and Pokemon White for next year will have graphic designs of the characters and the scenery just like Pokemon Sword/Shield and Pokemon Scarlet/Violet games because Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl games sucks as the characters in the games are small and not much scenery in the game at all.
Great video, just wanted to say the fan game is Luminescent Platinum. Renegade Platinum is DS Platinum but harder. My opion on BDSP is that they are games that aren't the worst but could be much better with small changes. Give trainers there Platinum teams, it just fits the type specialist's don't use a team made out of not their type. Add a toggle button for the in battle friendship stuff, it makes the fights too easy. Lastly the could make the story more like Platinum or they could have added postgame like in OR AS. And for so added fun mainly for the people who complain about gen 4 not having many fire types, give the player multiple different fire types throughout the game. Rant aside the game would be so much better if Gamefreak made it.
thank you! i agree with this if they just had added a little bit more to it. some people want me to do videos on luminescent platinum so im thinking about it. but yea its the small changes that could of made this game a lot better
@@theverybestyoutubeaccount whats with the caps? all i said is USUM arent remakes, theyre the "third version" of the game like platinum or emerald. HG SS are remakes, crystal is not see what im saying now????
Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl are NOT bad games. They're essentially direct 1 to 1 remakes of Diamond & Pearl, but with some more features added. Saying they're bad games is saying that Diamond & Pearl are bad games, which is also not the case.
I’m excited to get arceus once I get the chance, but I’ll see when I can get brilliant Diamond and shining Pearl though, because mods made the games even better because of the new added in stuff that makes the game way better! So I’m happy the modders were able to fix these games up the right way, especially with making some custom fights with N & Ghetsis which I was super impressed with! I’m still going to get these and legends arceus plus the scarlet and violet whenever I get the chance! I’m excited to play them!
It hit me recently that the problem with these games is that they're just 1:1 remakes of the originals, just with QoL changes. Previous remakes, ORAS, HGSS, and even Fire Red and Leaf Green were basically remade from the ground up to work with the current generation.
I think people realized just how boring Pearl and Diamond actually are and just lashed out because it was a literal copy paste of the originals with some minor additions.
You forgot to point out he worst thing in BDSP: Affection being fused with the Friendship mechanic. That alone trivializes the game and kills any reason to keep playing it.
Contrary to popular opinions, I played through this whole game with my best friend and it was extremely nostalgic and the story was consistent. I really enjoyed the experience and it really shows that if you stop thinking about what you don’t have but you focus on what there is, it is rather enjoyable.
The problem is that it's just a worse Platinum. For people like me that still have a 3DS and a Platinum copy, why would i waste 60 bucks on a mediocre remake that is worse than the version i already have?
The Chibi art style also was not what anyone expected, especially for a Switch game. It looked like a cheap cash-in, then when we got our hands on it, we realized it was a cheap cash-in.
What I love about ORAS is the introduction to Mega Rayquaza post game in the Delta Episode, and the whole legend and history of what happened in the past. Also Mega Rayquaza after ORAS being my favourite legendary, how can I not love it? I always love Rayquaza but Mega Rayquaza is just to another level
What do you think of Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl?
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I likes them ngl. Platinum was my first game and even with the content drops I still liked them. Battle frontier being dropped sucks but battle tower is still fun. Underground does help the dex variety and the difficulty being inconsistent is technically a bad thing but I enjoyed the challenge.
On the topic of platinum’s story line, that was never going to return. They are Diamond and pearl remakes and as a result I’d say their responsibility was to improve dp. In that regard they kinda succeeded, minus Pokémon variety.
Overall I’d say Bdsp is not as terrible as everyone says. Is it the best, no, but it is certainly not the worst and is not bad.
@@KSD-2526i agree, they don’t deserve this much hate but i still had fun playing them
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These games are literally just the ds ones with minimal improvements and cut Platinum content.
I think Legends Arceus was the game Gamfreak actually wanted to make, while BDSP was the side project they pawned off to a third party studio.
that is a good way to put it. they hyped up legends arceus so much more than BDSP it makes me sad
Isn’t that exactly what happened
@@mooganifypretty much, remakes that add basically nothing, glad I never bothered buying them, I just played through Platinum again
No what happen was ILCA developing concets that was more akin to an 3d open sandbox like skyrim and Zelda Breath of Wild for BDSP like what we had in legends but in a mondern sinnoh setting. There probably would of been overworld battle with all the gen 8 mechanics more akin to scarlet and violate unlike the bare bones system in legend. But with Junichi Masuda and other higher ups at GF's and the pokemon company's terrable management & leadership is what lead to the rushed cutcorner version of Diamand& Pearl.
The cuts were so bad that items were missing, features from the original gutted out like the contest being turn into a dance minigame with the contest pokemon move showoffs like from gen3 being removed, alot secret bases features being cutdown to an art gallery, barely any additions from platinum with no battle frontier, nor any new areas outside of the underground, and finally just a copy and paste of the same story with no changes like Oras had. On top of that PokemonDex Cuts doesnt help it ethier, with almost half the pokedex missing, even region varients were not included.
BDSP would be no different than that of crappy rom hack of DP that only adds battle system update to gen 8, newer generation moves and lacking later generation pokemon. As well as having crappy scripting were it would break both contest and secret bases.
@@BananaR777thank you. Someone else gets what was happening during bdsp's dev time. I and many waited a long time for gen 4 to be remade and considefing gen 4 was and is my fav gen I have never been so disappointed with TPC/GF as much as I was when the fifst trailer came out and over time my disappointement got worse and now I don't want to buy anymore remakes because fans of gen 4 were robbed and the games will never be remade again. We missed our chance because of TPC. Not ILCA, but the heads of the franchise who get the final say.
If only Ishihara would step down as ceo and someone of a newer generation would replace him that way they could bring less traditional japanese business practices which can screw things up for the company because the ones on top are always right and can never be wrong or corrected, while those who work for them are nothing, but subservient
To add insult to injury, these games aren't even remakes, they're remasters. They ported the source code to Unity, gave it new graphics and music, and called it a day. It still checks for GBA games in the bottom slot whenever you go to Ramanas Park, and people have found new glitches in the original games from examining this game's code.
i actually didnt know these werent even remakes so being remasters it made me sad
@@TKDPandaa Mhm. Just fancy ports. Anyone who calls them remakes fell for the marketing scams
👍 Thanks, and very Good to know. I mean yea, BDSP marked a _real low_ for the Franchise I love. But I'm forgiving and thankfully the massive improvements in Legends Arceus and then SV and the extremely strong sales for both those games will prevent them from ever dipping back into Cheap Ch!bi hell again lol. Hopefully. 🤞
@@TKDPandaaIs kinda like a hybrid, which depending on how good the original game was it's a good or bad thing. Diamond and Pearl are not good to begin with so when you have something arguably worse...
@@N12015 I'd say they're better than the originals, even if the soul is completely gone. But you're still better off just playing Platinum, especially if it's a modded rom that makes it run in 60 fps.
The controversy is essentially that they just remastered Diamond and Pearl, basically the same game with minimal changes and new assets. Rather than the more thorough remakes the previous games had, where there were a lot more substantial changes from the original games.
Yes thats basically it. For how much this game was anticipated they did not deliver and it showed :(
Then why did People hate let's go? They made so many great changes in those games and the new catch System was so fun. I'm also glad the original 151 (+Meltan and Melmetal) were the only avaliable pokemon.
@@SajimSalkic The catch system is a pain if you wanna grind up a team of Pokemon without having to fill boxes. While I'm down with a Kanto remake with Fairy types and stuff, I still want the option to battle wild Pokemon if I so wish.
I'd argue that's where PLA came in. PLA is the Platinum remake for BDSP.
@@SajimSalkicBecause it's catered to grab Pokémon GO players' interest. 🤷🏻♂️
The ONLY reason I enjoyed BDSP is because I never played diamond or pearl... If I did, I'd be livid: it's just because BDSP was a carbon copy of diamond and pearl.
It’s worse than the originals. The affection mechanic and forced exp share completely break the game. The only substantial improvement was the Sinnoh underground. FRLG, HGSS and ORAS were all much better than the original games. I was disappointed by BDSP
@@jimmymackinnon8474 i'd still say this Undergorund was worse cause Secret bases were removed. Other than that contests sucked, and no platinum content or Delta epsisode like post game. Was literally just Diamond and Pearl done worse
I never played either of those original games and I for one actually enjoyed playing them. Especially when you get to have one of your Pokemon walk alongside you or customize your pokeballs. I don't care if you guys start hating me for this but I stand by my decision. I still like the game
@@princeofpokemon2934 I mean to each their own, I'd understand if it was first time then I see how you can enjoy. Just only really applies if people played the OGs first
It seems that the reasons most people have for not liking BDSP lean heavily on the petty side. I was very unhappy with ORAS because I was very attached to Emerald as it was my first Pokemon adventure, and ORAS changed too much of it. I was cheated out of being able to play platinum when it came out because my mom accidentally bought a shoddy bootleg on Amazon by mistake and after I got to Jubilife the game crashed and then every time I forced it into my DS (The cartridge had a huge bulge which, when opened, revealed a large chunk of what looked like tar) it would crash the system menu running the risk of bricking it.
I never got to experience Gen 4 and I believe all the changes made to diamond and pearl are positive ones. The graphics are not bad at all, when they said they were making faithful remakes, they meant it. People just hate on these games because they wanted them to play like Sword and Shield, yknow, modern. But as someone who grew up on Emerald, who was cheated out of Platinum, and didn't like ORAS all that much, I enjoyed my time with these remakes, and now I'm doing a second playthrough in 2024 and still enjoying myself. BDSP isn't bad, you're all just mean.
“The next remakes will be black and white”
Legends Z: “Allow me to introduce myself”
they just skipped over an entire region lol
black and white 2. they exist.
Legends z isn't a remake, it's its own game.
@@lakus6688 True. Although, some call Legends Arkoos a remake
@@Void-xirnobody sees Legends Arceus as a remake. It's a totally different setting with a different plot and different characters.
the Platinum outfit is the most insult thing a constant reminder of failure and we most likely wont get a pokemon platinum remake
so sad fr, was platinum your favorite game
@@TKDPandaa i started with diamond and pearl 2007-2008 (old guard) 1-2 years Pokémon Platinum came out and even i admit Platinum outgunned diamond and pearl so hard it made it obsolete i rank diamond and pearl 2007 higher than bdsp by virtue of Platinum not existing and your force to embrace the dark arts for younger people than me (new guard)
@@TKDPandaa and how are they going to explain how in black and white 1 Looker and Cynthia That was beyond my expectation! What an exceptional battle! You certainly bear a resemblance to that Trainer who faced Giratina... Oh, pardon me. I was just thinking out loud. I love being here in spring and summer. I can't stay all year, because there's so much to investigate in Sinnoh, as well. You're a great Trainer, and it would make me happy to see you again sometime Cynthia Undella Town bw1
Most frustrating thing about the Pt outfit is that it was a limited event and you lose it forever if you restart your save.
@Bludbenis You’re right Sucks but Johto is next AGAIN ugh. Since gen 7 they’re now going to remake the third sister games, so first Yellow and now Crystal and next games after will be gen 10 and finally Unova remakes, however before gen 6 remakes we’ll get new Hoenn re-remakes based on Emerald.
It’s sad because there was so much hype for gen 4 remakes. Gen 4 games were my personal favourites so I was super excited for the remakes but man, bdsp was a huge disappointment for me and to this day I’m still sad about it :(
i feel the exact same way. and it sucks cause after waiting for so long, we ended up with that remake, and now we won't be getting a revisit to gen 4 anytime soon :(
I'm confused? Surely you want a remake to allow you to relive your childhood authentically, I seem to be the only person in the comments who liked BDSP lol
@@5uper5kill3rz i also like it a lot although it may be the nostalgia talking
@@5uper5kill3rzI also liked it as well. It would be cool to see some new things, but I thought the game was alright and allowed me to relive apart of my childhood. I think if they would remake Platinum or remaster it that would be cool because it would give them another shot to get things “right.” I doubt they’ll do that though. Sometimes I think we just gotta take it for what it is.
Not my fave or even liked generation but Sinnoh being the 4rth loved generation (obviously behind 1-3) it deserved a proper remake.
4 words. Blame The Pokemon Company. They were responsible for the game being rushed. Originally ILCA wanted to have an open worldish overworld among other stuff according to their proof of concept of the games, but despite not working on them directly, Masuda had to tell the devs to rush it.
The proof of ILCA is not being as incompetent as people think is them working on games like Ace Combat 7, Neir Automata, and One Piece Odyssey Adventure. They have a pretty solid repertoire of games so even if they only supposedly contributed to a small part of those games I stated above, they weren't just some new or small dev who got handed it just to get it over with
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That's 104 words if I counted correctly.
@@kerjectroter3761 should’ve put that in quotations 💀
Gonna need a source on that, because the only info I saw was internal concept art that was prefaced with the phrase "The images were drawn to share common understandings of the settings' mood, climate, and luminosity amongst the development team." That doesn't tell us anything about ILCA's approach to the game's design. Only vague aspects of the setting.
@@linguicaguy okay so my take on the whole "open world-ish" concept was me being stupid and not knowing how to exactly describe the concepts at the time so I apologize for that, but whether the art was just a concept to get everyone to understand the mood and such or not, the fact that the final outcome was less than what the concept was drawn to look like shows that either ILCA backtracked on the idea or they were told by someone at TPC that they had to hurry it up. The latter is more believable considering how we know about GF's schedule.
If you didn’t do any research, just say that.
ILCA did NOT choose Chibi, Nintendo forced them to.
Look at their concept art. This had the potential to be something truly incredible.
Luminescent Platinum, the rom hack you mentioned, is the saving grace of these games. I’m in the project’s discord server and they’ve seriously gone and taken these lackluster cashgrabs of games and turned them into genuine labors of love.
Just the language barrier cause im used to german moves names and i would get confused in english
How is a fan hack a saving grace? It's not in stores nor is it an update being released online.
Fan hack don't save bad games.
@@ninjapoundcakeIt’s a saving grace because it makes the game better. Also…rom hacks DO save games, even if not official.
@@utvm6748I started playing in Japanese and I feel like I'm at such a disadvantage with Pokémon names and move names 😭
Some items are obvious, きずくずり or モンスターボール but I didn't realise how much not knowing move or Pokémon names puts me st a disadvantage
@@utvm6748there's a downloadable german translation
I haven't played the game but just by looking at it alone it REALLY comes across as a game that said "Shut up about sinnoh remakes" and nothing more.
if thats true then thats funny, but what i said in the vide about legends arceus overpowering BDSP then it makes sense
No, this is BS, an example of why you should never lisent to nobody on TH-cam. The games are the same as the originals. Talking shit generates more views.
@@richardv5942That’s right, they are the same games. The same games that released in 2006, now released in 2021 and $20 more expensive. They even come with the same bugs and lack the extra content added by their third release game. How generous of the multimillion dollar company.
@@richardv5942the original D&P were just as bland. all of the bugs & glitches in bdsp were in D&P too. people accepted it when it was on the DS because of the limitations of the hardware, and because most of the people who were playing the games (who are talking about it now) were under the age of 13 and weren't already exposed to as much of the same game formula for decades at that point yet. There's a reason why there was a substantial change in both story & gameplay in Platinum (i.e; reverse world, battle frontier, etc).
Friendly reminder a significant portion of BDSP’s backend data was copied and pasted from Diamond and Pearl, hence the same glitches being present.
very interesting i did not know
Smallant mentioned it.
Except the cute charm giltch sadly
That’s so hilarious imagine being that lazy, there was even the void glitch which got patched I think
Bother ain’t no way at this point I don’t even blame Ilca I think TPC and Gamefreak were THAT lazy and cheap.
I really wish Bdsp was in the style of Oras. By that I mean, take the gimmick of the generation, and integrate it into the story of the remake. I know swsh says dynamax only occurs in Galar, but in reality dynamax is just Eternatus’ power.
They could’ve made something up like after the Eternamax incident, Eternatus’ energy spread all over the world, and that’s why there’s Dynamax in Sinnoh. They could’ve even put the raid dens in the underground instead of cramming them into existing routes. As well as actually being in the same style as Swsh too with full character models and all that
that would be really cool
Considering Eternamax Eternatus' Shield Entry, there is a Space Time relation to Dynamax, and I really wanted to see how that could interact with Palkia and Dialga. A missed opportunity for GF to not implement that mechanic in BDSP to expand on the Dynamax lore.
On god fuck dynamaxing that shit is lame as hell.
Even just have Eternatus's egg contain some residual Dynamax power. As gigantamaxing is a change of form, it could be of interest to Rowan who studies evolution (damn, great time for mega evolution missed too!) Perhaps he was sent some samples of the egg's shell to study, you and the rival get a Dynamax device as well as some E4 and champions embedded with part of it so you can Dynamax outside galar.
@@jaythephoenixThat’s what really pisses me off. XY confirmed that Sycamore trained under Rowan to study Pkmn evolution too so theres that connection, they couldve brought back Megas like they did in LGPE.
According to the pitch from the leaks they didn't want to make BD/ SP. They only wanted to make Legends Arceus but then it seems they got worried about fan backlash and decided to put out BD/ SP.
1:09 They're not remakes. They're enhanced editions like Crystal, Emerald and Platinum, but split into two versions so they could make more money and capitalize on Necrozma having multiple forms like Kyurem, but it made sense for Black/White because they at least got an *ENTIRELY* new story. USUM just reworks trainer teams, adds more Pokémon variety and changes up/expands the endgame and postgame activity, at the cost of Lillie and Lusamine's character arcs sucking.
GAME FREAK would never remake a game literally a *YEAR* after the original games launched.
Im kinda scared for black and white remakes because they might bdsp it and i really want thwm to take the legends route
I think Pokémon SV’s Indigo Disk DLC is setting the scene for Black and White remakes because it’s hinting that Terastallization is possible in Unova. If true, then I doubt they will get the BDSP treatment.
Legends route in Unova would be amazing.
The legends route? You mean where they sold a beta of a game at full price?
LOL _Tooootally! Can't wait for gf to do that again!_
@@hisaceinthehole3426 Uh no that was S/V. Arceus launched just fine.
@@Nephalem2002 no. It didn't.
Its hated because they just grabbed the original Gen 4 games, put a new coat of paint on them, then resold it at $60 for a game that we already had and added nothing different. When frlg,hgss, and oras expanded the gen by adding new content new form or much needed added lure that helped make certain characters more fleshed out
This should be the top comment.
When you say "they just grabbed the original games", that is... probably more accurate than what you meant. Turns out that almost all of the code was just ripped right out of the original Diamond and Pearl. Apparently, one area still tries to check the GBA port, even though the last device to have that was the Nintendo DS Lite.
Mega evolution was way better than all the lame dynamax and crystal-hat stuff.
@@Seniorsneaky123 I think they're alright, but not quite as balanced as Mega Evolution was. With Mega Evolution, you had to give up their held item slot for their Mega Stone (except for Rayquaza, for some reason), while Dynamaxing and Terastylizing don't. I still think the latter two are neat ideas, but Mega Evolution was the best.
The worst part is ILCA wanted to make it a good remake but Masuda and GF stopped them
How?
fk masuda fr
Probably because they scared ppl will be like Ilca did what GF cant
@luigiRobs14
Not even Game Freak, but The Pokemon Company. Game Freak actually had little to no power in the franchise, outside of Masuda being a fool. They're essentially slaves for TPC, which is why they half-assed gen 6 so much and tried to make their own IPs during this era (and failed horribly, cause Game Freak is still an incompetent game company, despite all their success.)
Fck Masuda all my homies hate Masuda.
"How can the romhack do it better than gamefreak?"
Because Gamefreak is a mediocre dev that's been coasting on their fans' nostalgia and low standards for 20 years.
oo dang thats true
Facts
I genuinely cannot deal with the fact that this 'remake' turned out the way it did. It has forever tainted not only Sinnoh's legacy, but the Pokémon franchise itself past, present and future in my eyes. This game is why I go into every new Pokémon game expecting to hate it. This game is why I despise those who would defend the Pokémon Company and/or GameFreak from well-deserved criticism.
I despise BDSP... because it is symbolic/emblematic of everything about the Pokémon franchise that has been forever lost, forever discarded in the wake of the Pokémon Company's insatiable greed. It is, without hyperbole, the most insulting, most spirit-breaking video game I have ever seen, let alone played. Scarlet & Violet may be a broken mess, but at least it's not as blatantly, as unapologetically insulting as BDSP.
One of the most scummiest things bdsp did was releasing the physical versions on cheaper cartridges, and forcing the players to download the rest of the game in a "day one patch", this day one patch is required for the entire post game to become available as well as the official music and not placeholder music. so whenever the switch's online connectivity dies it will literally be impossible to experience 50% of the game's total file size if not downloaded prior
man…nintendo is just so greedy it makes me so happy seeing people pirate their stuff.
is that true? that’s actually crazy
And people called me crazy saying that DLC and one day patch are scummy as fuck when the onlinr service gets shut down.
Now we see how everyone panics about the 3DS and WiiU.
It's also impossible if you can't connect your Switch to the internet. And considering how utterly convoluted and stupid the Switch's online connectivity is, a lot of players outside of big cities can't do that!
So fcking trashy. And they wonder why people just use roms.
BDSP was game freak's way of telling us to never ask them for anything ever again.
Coming from someone who hasn’t played a Sinnoh game before BDSP… I’m taking that advice. I hate BDSP and I don’t want my first Unova or Johto experience to be BDSP all over again. (Why specifically those two? Because those are the only regions that I haven’t played a game that takes place there yet)
Gamefreak is one developer I wish stayed away from pokemon games ever again. 😂
I never want ILCA to make a main series Pokémon game again
Their way of saying be careful what you ask for
@@IsleofPigsStudiosdang, you've missed the 3 best pokemon games (Black and White, Platinum, and HGSS)
There’s actually content and concept art showing BDSP was originally gonna be more like ORAS/HGSS and sword and shield but it seems like Game Freak/Nintendo made them change it too avoid competing with Legends Arceus or whatever….
Gamefreak is the worst, they make bdsp look worse so their beta games legends arceus got the spotlight
Ahh, most interesting. I mean, the Community were definitely presuming something like this - and indeed later it was found by Miners that the game's actual code was from the OG gen3 - it's basically a re-skinned port!
@@haroldnecmann7040and doesn't help both games released so obnoxiously close to each other either
@@haroldnecmann7040too bad that game was actually fucking good and GF shouldve actually modeled SV in the same way.
“They had 10 years to get it right” Bro they had 15 years. And I waited for every single day. Not giving that ungrateful company a single dollar of mine again.
I grew up with diamond and platinum and didn’t care for the newer games beyond gen 5. I don’t like the new gimmicks, the new pokemon designs and the general direction Pokemon has gone. The fact that BDSP didn’t change anything suited me perfectly. I think it was made for fans like me who just wanted to play the old games with a fresh lick of paint
☝️ This
That's why I got interested in rom hacks. They expand the world while keeping the old stuff. I don't like stuff beyond gen 5, that's why hacks are so amazing
As someone who started with Gen 4 and whose first introduction to Pokémon was through Diamond and Pearl, you could imagine my excitement hoping that we’d get a remake like HGSS or ORAS. Only for that excitement to turn into utter disappointment when BDSP were announced and eventually released. Rather than giving Sinnoh a fresh can of paint and new foundation, they just painted over the cracks and did nothing to expand Sinnoh. I’m incredibly fearful of Gen 5 remakes just because of how lazy these games were
As a Unova Fan who grew up on gen 5 (being 9 in 2011) I hate how the next games in 2024 are going to be beautiful upscaled Johto remakes bc Gamefreak loves pandering gens 1-2 so much while the inevitable gen 5 remakes will look worse than BdSp smh.
After Oras I was hoping that every remake would take place in the mega evolution timeline. That way they could make the new pokemon in the classic style and let them have the spotlite, while slowly introducing new mega evolutions.
Gamefreak isn't as smart as that
Giving every starter a mega would be awesome
The DP remakes could have been so much better if they just went ORAS/LPE route. They could have just made the remakes in the art style of Let’s Go, use Platinum improvements as a base for gameplay, add around 100 Pokémon from later gens and bring back mega evolution to continue the mega timeline. It was so easy to make remakes that would be beloved and they still fucked up…
I hear you, and it's true that many fans had high hopes for the DP remakes. It seems like you were expecting a more faithful and enhanced remake, similar to what we saw in ORAS and Let's Go games. Incorporating improvements from Platinum, introducing newer Pokémon, and continuing the mega evolution storyline could have made for a fantastic experience. It's frustrating when a game falls short of expectations, especially when the potential for something great was there. Your disappointment is understandable.
Pearl was my first Pokemon so when SP dropped I immediately picked it up, honestly I enjoyed it just as much as I did when I was a kid
Same bro, idk what people were expecting when they bought this game but it’s everything a remake should be, the same game it was with some minor improvements. And that’s exactly what this was. The end where you get to catch every legendary was an amazing addition
Yeah, I don't like the style of the new pokemons; they shouldn't change the view from above
@@KotaWebb Bro you are coping really hard, every Pokémon remake had more content than bdsp
You liked them because you were simply blinded by nostalgia
@@iv0453 how tf does that make sense, I’m coping?? I love the ORIGINAL diamond, and when I played this one it was the exact same game with new graphics and a bit more content. A remaster truthfully doesn’t even need added content but it was appreciated. Now go through your fit that you didn’t get Pokémon diamond and pearl 2 even though it never said it was gonna be that
Lmao calling this a "remake" is an insult to ORAS
Great video! I think if BDSP had a few more months in development and added new content it would be have been much more well received. There should have been way more Hisui connections in BDSP and if you had save data for Legends Arceus the Hisuian Pokémon should have been catchable somewhere in BDSP. Or at least allowed them to be transferable. Not having the Hisui Pokemon in BDSP cause the fan base to get confused and think these Pokemon went extinct when it was confirmed they are not. The chibi art style wasn’t too bad, but the issue was that many fans were expecting something more like ORAS did so fans were ready to experience Sinnoh in the engine of SwSh. BDSP with more Pokemon and more content would have made the game so many times better.
Thank you and well said! I wish they did those connections with legends arceus that would of been so cool. Also yes i wish these games had the ORAS treatment but they didn’t. If they experimented with a different art style i wish they did for a different game 😭
@@TKDPandaa Yes! Just imagine, all they had to do was give Us a modified Sword & Shield engine just like Millenniumloops did; it was nothing beyond their current Abilities at all! Only need slightly more time maybe.
Time would have done nothing. They gave it to a green studio who had no idea what they were doing. So they just ported a ds game.
I don't think that more time would've saved it. The game is technically sound (leagues above scarlet violet).
Knowing Nintendo and how they operate, they probably gave the instruction of "do Not change anything unless we say so".
The problem was that some fans didn't really like Diamond and Pearl to begin with due to its story and other things. Platinum improved and fixed some things and that's why people always praise it.
hmmm you got a point
That's what I call revisionist history. I grew up through Gen 1 to 4, and nobody cared about the stories back in the day. Pokemon isn't a franchise that became successful for its storytelling.
It took until Gen 5 before we actually got a good story (by Pokemon standards), and then years later, Gen 5 kids grew up and decided that storytelling did matter. Which retroactively brought hate to the previous gens even though Gen 5 would have never existed without the success of the previous gens. I guarantee you that nobody hated DP until years later.
@@jinkun2629there is a lot of rewriting of history going on at the moment. Just look at the vitriol Gen 2 (and by extension Johto) is suddenly getting. Suddenly being a sequel/expansion on Kanto is a bad thing, despite that being the thing that made it popular in the first place.
We've all forgotten how much hate Gen 3 got when it first came out. People didn’t like the national dex cut in Gen 8? We already had one of those when Ruby and Sapphire came out. They completely severed all ties to the first 2 gens, and people hated it.
Diamond and Pearl were not universally hated. There was a, "yeah Platinum is better" moment, but that was the same for Emerald compared to Ruby and Sapphire. Platinum built on what had already been done well in Diamond and Pearl. In fact I unironically prefer Diamond over Platinum (I recognise that Platinum is better technically but there are certain changes which makes key plot moments less fun for me).
There is an element of dissatisfaction with ORAS similar to some of the backlash to BDSP. There is a regression in enemy teams to Ruby/Sapphire teams (which were always inferior to Emerald's), a loss in the original Emerald plot line with both evil teams causing problems across Hoenn. This was lost in remaining loyal to Ruby and Sapphire. The same thing happened with BDSP, the difference is that ORAS makes up for it with overall improvements, and alignment with the current gens graphics and mechanics. BDSP does neither of these things. The lack of platinum is only one of many issues.
As someone who had Platinum as his first Pokémon game I'm playing through Pearl right now. It's really not that bad. It's flawed and obviously inferior to Platinum but I'm not hating myself for playing it. This shit remake (which is a lazy, poorly balanced pile of crap even when it stands on its own.) probably just tainted your memories of it.
That was certainly _not_ the main issue with BDSP, lol.
BDSP was the most disappointing thing I've ever seen in my life. I really had hope in it! I'm so sad my favorite generation had such an awful remake but its whatever😭 Wish they even at least based it off Platinum, and even Platinum fixed some of the issues that DP Had like the slowness(other than the HP Bar). Hope future remakes dont end up like this. Great Video Mark!😄👍
ong fr fr
We got robbed💀💀💀
@@Aroumia Unfortunately 😭
Cynthia battle was good
eh idk what your complaing about people want it and people hate it. that's very ungrateful and sv is very disappointing and bad.
No Mega Evolutions, no species beyond Generation IV, same trainer battles, and lack of other decent features all serve as a principal reason why BDSP failed to make the charts. Even if ILCA, Inc. was responsible for the works instead of Game Freak, there are many more reasons why a remake seemed to be rushed without a trace.
6:35 this aged kinda funny 💀💀
u age kinda funny
A true remake should combine all aspects and features of the games they're remaking. Like you said, the Suicune chase from Crystal was in HGSS. The Delta Episode in ORAS was an enhancement from Emerald with the ability to catch Rayquaza plus they added for the first time ever the ability to find & catch Deoxys officially without events. BDSP are just 3D ports of the Gen 4 games with barely added content.
You make a valid point about what fans often expect from a true remake. Many successful remakes have combined and enhanced the features and content from multiple games in the same generation. It's true that BDSP, while bringing Sinnoh into 3D, didn't introduce as much new content or features as some fans had hoped. Different fans have different expectations for remakes, and it's natural for them to express their preferences and feedback. Hopefully, future Pokémon remakes will continue to evolve and meet the desires of the fanbase.
Exactly I think it’s hilarious before the patches in a bdsp speedrun you could beat the game with battling maybe 1 trainer. Sure you could do that in rby, but that was 27 years ago
@fanarkboy8543
Not just that; they're legitimately worse than Diamond and Pearl due to the forced Exp Share and Affection, along with "trying to balance the over-leveling out" by making an insanely hard, Battle Frontier-level Elite Four, while 99% of the game before that was stupidly boringly easy. Adding those two horrendous "modern era" bullsh*t elements into BD/SP literally make them unplayable for me, and it's why the last official Pokemon game I've bought was Ultra Moon.
@@MarvinPowell1 I agree. Forced EXP Share and affection really makes the game way too easy. I wish we could go back to the good old days when Exp.Share was a held item.
Apparently, ILCA had a lot more planned for BDSP, but GameFreak shut them down and used some of their ideas for PLA.
thats dick move
source for that info sir?
@@HaruKiyoshi643just trust me bro
@@HaruKiyoshi643 some else said it so it must be true
U didn't answer the question
What i like from ORAS is that they brought in the gimmick from the latest Pokemon game at it's time, mega evolutions, it simply brings a little more variety into the game and a more fresh experience to it's veterans at least.
yes i loved ORAS. technically my 2nd pokemon game i've played and it was so good. we need another remake like this
Lol people were glad Dynamax wasn't in BDSP when it was first revealed. Imagine the Gym Leader redesigns if it did.
@@flaregamer64 that one is pretty understandable, dynamax and gigantamax is too crazy imo, you literally need to change a whole gym or league for it to work.
But i do wish they brought terrastalization to unova remake, terrastalize was simple and straight forward.
ORAS really did have it all. It's still my favourite ever, just above the gen5 games and then (yea I know, controversy time 🙄) , the gen9 games Scarlet & Violet.
you see, that sounds horrible to me. I hated mega evolutions, I've never played a new game since X & Y and I'm not even sure I finished that, so glad Brilliant Diamond is basically a remaster.
When Fans ask for a Diamant/Perl Remake they wanted a Remake of Platinum not Diamant and Perl.
The OG D/P already isn't good and only the many changes Platinum made did end up making Sinnoh one of the best Regions.
Worst is that there already was a precedent for this while emerald wasnt remade pokemon crystal was for hgss
Platinum remake would have been sooo much better. In platinum you had access to fire types like houndoom so you weren't forced to choose infernape or rapidash. And that's just 1 example
Diamond and pearl were great games what are you smoking
@ljmendez6930 I think you misunderstood. They are talking about the remakes. They are saying when we got BDSP, we wanted essentially a platinum remake with all the bonuses of platinum and access to the new gen 8 pokemon and fairy type. What we got was a gen 8 port of the original diamond and pearl and got none of the benefits of platinum
@@ljmendez6930The ORIGINAL Diamond and Pearl were alright, Platinum fixed a ton.
I just realized i havent bought or even played a Pokemon game since Sun/ Moon. Literally eveygame since then i decided to skip because it wasnt good enough.
i’m in a tough spot cause the last pokemon i played was sun on my 2DS and i finished it and now having a switch it seems the switch pokemon games are disappointments 🤦🏾♂️
The battles just feel so slow. There are so many animations that can't be skipped. They really need to add a speed up function like most emulators have
I really hope game freak and the Pokemon company pay attention to the backlash from bdsp and not the sales and don't ruin black and white remakes
People buy game freaks shit, whether it's slop or gold. And we haven't been given gold since 3ds. They have no incentive to care.
Do you know that people complaining in social media are only a small portion of playerbase? Most people dont care about all those things. They just buy the game and play
@@lacuevadelosrpg4070 exactly
Pokemon black and white might be smoked my dude
I'm playing it now for the first time, and I was prepared to hate it. But I don't. It doesn't size up to the other remakes, which I also replayed somewhat recently and they had a lot more to offer the player. But it's not horrible -- just some poor directional choices.
I think they executed their concept competently (after the bug fixes.) They just didn't nail the concept as well as they could have.
Ooo i like your opinion. I don’t hate it but definitely didn’t size up to the other games
Agreed, BDSP was my first main series Pokemon game that I’d played since USUM, and while it certainly doesn’t hold up as a remake when compared to others like HGSS and ORAS, it was a great first Pokémon game on the switch after a few years of not playing and since Pearl was my first ever game I easily racked up 150+ hours on it. I really appreciated the fact that in theory, as long as you know someone with the opposite version you could complete the National dex and there were some fantastic additions such as the Grand Underground. Of course now that I’ve played PLA all of my brain cells have been going there ever since, but by no means were they bad
I haven't played it myself because of how much hate it was getting, but really, it sounds like people were just too greedy with what they wanted. All it really needs to be is modernized with QoL enhancements, which from the sounds of it, that's what it is. I really don't want a bunch of extra flair, I just want to relive Diamond without the slog of 2006 gameplay.
Nobody mentioned elite 4 and Cynthia has better AI strategies than the other champion remakes 😅
But Nintendo keeps their games full price forever. I'll never purchase a remake for full price.
My only gripe was the character models, that being said I DON'T want any more remakes. I would much rather them revisiting older regions with new characters,protag,story and such like what they did with Black/White 2.
I actually caught a shiny male ralts the first time I went down into the underground section of shining pearl, and you best believe I evolved it into a gallade the moment I got the dawn stone.
aaand that makes the game not dogshit, how exactly?
In terms of platinum’s content, I heard ILCA WANTED to include a ton of platinum content and kept getting shot down by Game Freak. They were under strict orders to make a remaster, not a remake. And of Diamond and Pearl, not platinum.
It was the first time a mainline game was outsourced, so Game Freak didn’t want them taking creative liberties.
Personally I also see Legends Arceus as the actual gen 4 remake. To me they were probably developing Legends and realized it’s far too different than Diamond and Pearl that it’s not even recognizable as their remake. So the solution was to make a paired release with a faithful remaster.
That’s what I think happened though myself.
I was expecting a sword snd shield looking game with dynamax, set in in sinnoh like omega ruby snd alpha sapphire were to XY
TKD, you'd have to ask gamefreak why bdsp came out the way it did , not ilca. Ilca's vision of the game would've looked like legends arceus ( but based in the present time) and it would've probably been just as good. Game freak or the pkmn company restricted them from doing so because they wanted legends arceus to shine more
Man HeartGold and SoulSilver for the switch would be a dream come true 😢
Gen 4 was my first pokemon game. I was about 6 or 7 when I got it. I have a huge amount of nostalgia for this game, and it's disappointing to see how poor the remake was treated.
The 3ds and Ds had limitations, so the table top like design was excusable. But for hardware that can run breath of the wild and mario Odyssey, I expected a more realistic approach rather than the awful chibi design.
Remakes are supposed to change the way the old game looks not emulate the same style. I'd rather play the ds game than the switch.
I'm gonna save you 8 minutes and 4 seconds with these 3 words:
It's not Platinum
I believe I remember reason not long after release that ILCA said their original vision for the game was full 3D in the style of sw/sh, but gamefreak the Pokémon company insisted on the chibi style.
I wish there was enough force in this world to make me forget this remake ever happened.
fr LOL
I think Game Freak is really struggling not having a true handheld to develop for. That's clearly their territory and they have shown that they're struggling hard developing for mainline consoles.
Simple: it massacred what was one of the most anticipated Pokémon games to get a remake. Especially since this was the game that brought back the Pokémon hype and brought a lot of new fans (myself included). So for ILCA to put little effort to these games was a massive FU To fans. Basically HGSS and ORAS got the special treatment while us Gen 4 fans got nothing
The Chibi style didn't bother me all that much.
It was the lack of an new content or improvements made by Platinum and other less than wanted changes that ruin this game for me.
My only problem with it is that it probably shouldn't have been full price. Still would rather play it over Let's Go, no doubt.
At $40, the game would be a pretty easy recommendation (which it's very easy to find at that price now anyway, unlike other Pokemon titles).
My conspiracy is that they attempted to make a full open world modern style Diamond and Pearl, but couldn't make the technology work, work instead converted that into Legends Arceus, but were still contracted to make them so ILCA had to throw something together last minute. There's a thing when covering a song in music, where you can generally do one of two things, make it completely your own or make it mirror the original, any attempts to do an inbetween fails and ILCA went for the "mirror the original" take but it's just not what anyone actually wanted.
Chibi is fine, but it was not excecuted well either. The models don't look as charmig as something like Link's Awakening remake, they just ended up looking weird. This was compounded with big closeups that showed how the chibis barely emoted at all. Chibis worked on the DS because our brains filled in the blanks, but on the Switch we can plainly see that when pepole talk to each other, they don't REALLY talk, just they barely move and emote. It feels artificial.
The last negative point about the chibis is that, instead of creating cutscenes with realistic proportions, you know, like ORAS did, no, they just used the in-game engine to make them and they look bad lol.
Now I'm scared for the Gen 5 remakes...
The experience share killed it for me. I was 10 levels over leveled by Champion Cynthia battle. I would have enjoyed them more if it was challenging as the original.
I feel you. All GameFreak has to do is give the exp share an on and off button and so many complaints would be gone.
Honestly i used to be a giant hater of exp share but if you were 10 levels over leveled by the time you got to cynthia you likely did too much training against wild pokemon or something. I did none and i was right there on par or even a level or 2 lower than her pokemon and it was a very tough fight. Exp share only over levels you if you are training all the time but if you just train off the trainer battles then it puts you in a pretty good spot, especially if you are catching pokemon later down the line for your team instead of from the beginning
@@bugcatcherjacky1334 they really need an on/off button. Can’t see why they don’t implement that for older players.
@@NickRyanOfficial Especially since they had an on/off button in gen 6 but then just... Changed it for some reason
@@Jarhead402011 as someone that had played these games day 1 since 1998, this version was too easy. Did every trainer battle like a normal game and wasn’t grinding to get all the Pokémon as I 100% the dex of the original from 2007.
Heartgold and SoulSilver will always be the #1 best remakes ever in the games. ORAS was a good remake too though, just some minor changes made certain things more annoying in that version. But overall was pretty solid also.
HGSS are arguably the worse remakes. Didn't fix issues from gen two. Inherit issues in gen four.
@@JamiePokemonTrainer Wrong. Incorrect opinion.
nope. my opinion is correct@@MelodyStarz
@@JamiePokemonTrainerYour opinion is incorrect.
@@RK-cj4oc nope. my opinion is correct. Muted
It’s only so exciting to encounter Geodude and Zubat in caves constantly. That’s pretty much all I remember from the game.
USUM is not a remake it's a 3rd version split into 2
If the Gen 5 remakes are in the style of the same style as BDSP I’m losing all my hope in humanity.
One way they could’ve made BDSP stand out more would’ve been including the Hisuian Pokemon. Yes, they’d would make Legends Arceus somewhat redundant for Pokédex completion, but it still would’ve been something. Maybe they could’ve made it a compatibility update. If you have a Legends Arceus save file, Hisuian Pokemon’ll start appearing in BDSP. Or at least the cross-Gen evolutions like Kleavor to tease PLA more. (And why didn’t they include Sylveon or the 2 new Regis at the time?)
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Well, I think Legends Arceus was in fact the real Sinnoh remake. It checked all the boxes of the 'great remake' with different storyline on a familiar region, new forms for the cover legendaries, new features, etc.
But I feel PLA was such a massive departure in terms of gameplay. So BDSP were pushed (last minute decision? Due to the massive demand for Sinnoh anniversary title) to be the complementary titles, so that new players will understand the difference between the two. In a way, PLA IS the Platinum for BDSP's original Diamond and Pearl. That's why BDSP didn't include Platinum's content.
With then being compliments to each other I feel like the best way to experience them may be to play both at the same time. Maybe use home to evolve Pokémon in pla for Bdsp and vice versa. Obviously that shouldn’t be needed but that’s how I played them and I had a good time.
I agree, I said the same thing above. Plus the add on, is that I prefer BDSP having the Chibi artstyle I feel the whole point was to have that nostalgic feel for players that played the original games or were around then ,but couldn't, due to money issues(Me 😔). Not everything has to be a flippin open world game. It feels like the genre is getting muddied now, with every classic game trying to delve in open world. Not to say the newer games shouldnt be. I think PLA and SV were executed quite nice (with my only gripe being that SV storyline was boring af)
@@veliserbet6248 In defense of the storyline, it's really just the gym storyline that was boring to me. You're just going through the gyms, nothing exciting there to be honest. The Titans and Team Star were honestly a lot more engaging, I actually teared up during both of them.
As for BDSP, yeah fully agree that it was likely not meant to be the real remake for Gen 4. It was more of a remaster than a remake, and even compared to FRLG, where the Gen they were launched in didn't really have any major gimmick, BDSP still felt even more lacking than them.
@BrokenSoulConfession
Legends Arceus were trash to anyone who's ever played a JRPG that isn't Pokemon. ONLY people who have just played Pokemon games before, could call PLA "good." They were mediocre in a sea of gen 8 trash and had they not been Pokemon games, would've been reviewed as a "6 out of 10" at best.
Honestly, they should've just made solid Sinnoh remakes of Diamond and Pearl and left the experimental "journey to the past" Breath of the Wild rip-offs to Scarlet and Violet. Sinnoh was done dirty by getting _two_ half-assed games, instead of one actual _good_ game. (Well, three if you count BD and SP as two different games, but you know what I mean.)
Bdsp sucked cuz its just D/P but worse, such as:
Cut/watered down content such as the Underground and Contests, etc.
It isnt just becuz its a D/P faithful remake, cuz they didnt even make it "faithful", its cuz they just made a bad game.
The originals are still around and are still playable, this remake doesnt do anything to actually overshadow the originals and since it lacks content compared to its originals... just play those instead.
Black/White was the peak and last best game in the series. I can't imagine the backlash if they mess up the remake. On another note, it's 2023 and there's still only 1 save file. That needs to be changed.
Honestly, I was excited at the first trailer for BDSP when I saw the chibis. I thought “Pokemon was so much better with chibi models!” Mainly referring to gens 1-5. But gens 6 and 7 were pretty good too. It seemed like a lot of corners were cut and issues arose once the games tried going with a more true-to-size feel (gens 8 and 9).
When I saw that Pokemon following us would be back, I felt validated. Like “This is why chibis were the right choice! They make things easier to program and will allow for improvements in other aspects of the game that people actually care about!”
And then… The games came out. First day patched were needed, the in game experience was too much, the affection stat made things too easy, they butchered contests, a lot of aspects from Platinum weren’t included, and so forth and so on. I wanted to believe so badly that these games were going to go back to the franchise’s roots and prioritize quality of game play over trying to look realistic. And I was so disappointed.
It sucks how 4th gen was the personal favorite for a lot of people (myself included). And 5th genners tend to be some of the most devout in the community. I hope that the inevitable remakes for that gen are much better.
Your perspective highlights the anticipation and potential disappointment that can come with the release of new Pokémon games. It's clear that you, like many fans, had certain expectations for Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, especially with the return of chibi-style graphics. It can be disheartening when a game doesn't meet those expectations, particularly for a generation as beloved as the 4th one.
Fans' attachment to specific generations and their hopes for the future are a testament to the enduring appeal of the Pokémon series. With each new release, there's a mix of excitement and apprehension. Here's hoping that future games, including remakes for the 5th generation, manage to balance nostalgia with meaningful improvements for the overall experience. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
The overworld style is also inconsistent with how the humans are chibis, but the Pokémon aren't, they're just their normal battle models downscaled to fit inside the grid, unlike say every Gen prior that used chibis also gave the Pokémon their chibi version to match the humans and the environment, which there's no excuse because this game has a limited dex so they didn't need to do a custom model for literally every Pokémon that existed up to that point, and shows how they went with chibis just for the sake of cutting corners by letting them easily copy paste the og overworld and grid without modifying it all that much besides an aesthetic bump, and weren't really comitted to embrace it, and by aesthetic bump I mean its just an upscale of the original's with no real improvements, all the way to even the bland forgettable locations the original had before Platinum made them not look like a bunch of recycled assets
Us gen 5 Stans finna get something worse 😭😭
Frankly, I think BDSP is better than the original Diamond and Pearl simply because of the addition of Grand Underground, Fairy types and dropping of HMs. Not as good as Platinum but still better than vanilla Diamond and Pearl. It's not my fave Pokemon game but I think its overhated.
hmmm interesting take, i did like the grand underground but just in my opinion i love regular diamond and pearl better
Bruh what. Original dp is fine and all, did enjoy it, but Bdsp is way better, not as good as platinum but way better then original dp
The Grand Underground was in the original Diamond and Pearl
@@SonicTheCutehog You couldn't find Houndoom or Scyther in it, though.
@@termitesc.aardwolf3644 That's about it
They would have received less hate if it was Platinum, & Platinums story. They also locked evolution items after the elite 4. They also used gen 4 Diamond & Pearls Pokedex.
very well put together video!! great work
the voice actor who play ash's chimchar in Pokemon tv show need to come to Rhode Island comic con this year.
This video was so good bro, your gonna make it far
appreciate fam
Judging by skimming over post-SV clout videos, BDSP is officially going to become the Sonic 06 of Pokemon. The game that's forever referenced by reviewers and non-fan observers as "proof the series is bad," even 15-20 years after its release. (Especially considering these people deliberately pretend Legends Arceus doesn't exist due to being a "side game" when it's more of a main series entry than BDSP was ever meant to be.)
i wish these games lowkey were more catered to the fans :(
Scarlet and Violet fit the "Sonic 06" moniker more with how buggy they are and their brand new mainline games.
@@SonicTheCutehogyeah but at least the new characters, pokemon, and story as a whole held it up, dp remakes were wanted for sooooooooooo long, abd was hyped up, but of course, they had to do what they did
BDSP was aggressively okay. They're heavily flawed but not terrible. One thing that I never understood was the complaints about the chibi artstyle. Literally every game before gen 6 had that same artstyle and nobody complained then. Hell even in gen 6 itself the main gameplay uses an artstyle halfway between chibi and realistic proportions.
People forget that there are full 3D models for every trainer during battle. It's not entirely chibi
It was charming on the DS and GB, it's horrible on the switch
@@greedpower565agreed😂
because they moved on from the SD chibi since XY, why go back?
You said it yourself- before gen 6, we’re on 9 now bud
I played Red, Blue, Yellow, Silver, Gold, and Crystal all when they were current. Feel lucky having gotten to experience the classic Pokemon games before the franchise fell off the cliff.
Worst part about the chibis is that the pokemon next to them were clearly just regular ones scaled down and not chibi at all. Just lazy and jarring
It's stupid cause they could've gone for an HD remaster or port of Diamond, Pearl & Platinum with HQ orchestrated music and that would've imo been better. I wanted to buy an Oled Switch for summer last year and the only ones left in stock were bundled with BDSP, so I had no choice but to buy it. Upon trying it I decided to play all the way to the league, but had soooo much trouble playing consistenly cause I didn't find any joy in it. I have never had this before with any of the previous Pokémon games. I hope BW remakes aren't gonna take the same route...
For real man i feel the same way. Literally and HD remaster or port of DP would of been so much better than the “new” art style. So let’s just pray that BW remakes aren’t like this 😭
They don’t care because people bought it regardless, money in their pocket
The main issues I have with the game is the movement. Literally I couldn't move 2 feet without slamming into a rock or something. The reason this happens is because the player hit box is way to big. Sometimes it makes it unenjoyable. Anyway Gr8 Vid!
Thank you! I agree the movement is okay, i haven’t played the game in so long so i forgot
The remakes just feel half-assed. It didn’t include any of the improvements of Platinum. They put all the legendaries in just one area. In the gen2 remake, they added new areas to Johto for legendaries. The distortion world should’ve been there. Just an okay game.
I'm hoping the remake of Pokemon Black and Pokemon White for next year will have graphic designs of the characters and the scenery just like Pokemon Sword/Shield and Pokemon Scarlet/Violet games because Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl games sucks as the characters in the games are small and not much scenery in the game at all.
Great video, just wanted to say the fan game is Luminescent Platinum. Renegade Platinum is DS Platinum but harder. My opion on BDSP is that they are games that aren't the worst but could be much better with small changes. Give trainers there Platinum teams, it just fits the type specialist's don't use a team made out of not their type. Add a toggle button for the in battle friendship stuff, it makes the fights too easy. Lastly the could make the story more like Platinum or they could have added postgame like in OR AS. And for so added fun mainly for the people who complain about gen 4 not having many fire types, give the player multiple different fire types throughout the game. Rant aside the game would be so much better if Gamefreak made it.
thank you! i agree with this if they just had added a little bit more to it. some people want me to do videos on luminescent platinum so im thinking about it. but yea its the small changes that could of made this game a lot better
saying USUM is a remake is basically saying platinum is a remake
Well they are only games to not have that was Gen 5, 6 and 8-9. Gen 5 got BW2 sequels, gen 6 didn’t get anything, and Gens 8-9 just got DLC.
Are Black White 2 remakes?
@@theverybestyoutubeaccount no they are not :)
@@YourGuyAlex OKAY SO IS THIS A MEAN THING TO SAY TO THE GAMES OR ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY ABOUT THESE GAMES
@@theverybestyoutubeaccount whats with the caps? all i said is USUM arent remakes, theyre the "third version" of the game like platinum or emerald. HG SS are remakes, crystal is not
see what im saying now????
Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl are NOT bad games. They're essentially direct 1 to 1 remakes of Diamond & Pearl, but with some more features added. Saying they're bad games is saying that Diamond & Pearl are bad games, which is also not the case.
While you are correct, you simply lose the argument because you can’t go backwards on a digital watch you don’t use anyways
It’s funny how Pokémon gets so much criticism. From adults. Cuz the kids they’re actually for don’t have a voice nor platform
I’m excited to get arceus once I get the chance, but I’ll see when I can get brilliant Diamond and shining Pearl though, because mods made the games even better because of the new added in stuff that makes the game way better! So I’m happy the modders were able to fix these games up the right way, especially with making some custom fights with N & Ghetsis which I was super impressed with! I’m still going to get these and legends arceus plus the scarlet and violet whenever I get the chance! I’m excited to play them!
It hit me recently that the problem with these games is that they're just 1:1 remakes of the originals, just with QoL changes. Previous remakes, ORAS, HGSS, and even Fire Red and Leaf Green were basically remade from the ground up to work with the current generation.
for realsss bro
I liked the games but I wish it had more stuff from platinum like using pokemon from the platinum dex and platinum level curves
i want remakes of this game i played as a kid, I got it.
I have 0 problems with this game. Enjoing playing this game.
1:09 "the last remakes we got where Pokémon Ultra sun and moon"
Pokémon lets go Pikachu/ Eevee:
I think people realized just how boring Pearl and Diamond actually are and just lashed out because it was a literal copy paste of the originals with some minor additions.
The only person here who knows the truth. People learning they didn’t like Gen 4.
You forgot to point out he worst thing in BDSP: Affection being fused with the Friendship mechanic. That alone trivializes the game and kills any reason to keep playing it.
Contrary to popular opinions, I played through this whole game with my best friend and it was extremely nostalgic and the story was consistent. I really enjoyed the experience and it really shows that if you stop thinking about what you don’t have but you focus on what there is, it is rather enjoyable.
But that’s my issue, I feel like all this game had to offer was a nostalgia trip and nothing else 🙃
The problem is that it's just a worse Platinum. For people like me that still have a 3DS and a Platinum copy, why would i waste 60 bucks on a mediocre remake that is worse than the version i already have?
just consume product and get excited for new product.
The Chibi art style also was not what anyone expected, especially for a Switch game. It looked like a cheap cash-in, then when we got our hands on it, we realized it was a cheap cash-in.
What I love about ORAS is the introduction to Mega Rayquaza post game in the Delta Episode, and the whole legend and history of what happened in the past.
Also Mega Rayquaza after ORAS being my favourite legendary, how can I not love it? I always love Rayquaza but Mega Rayquaza is just to another level