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Hope was lost for Genji at: 9:07 . || I don't know anymore man, I feel like I def overreacted a little here because my heart broke that Genji and Tracer got nothing. There are some good changes and then there are just as heavy changes that made me really question wth is going on. I will try this patch out and then give a proper opinion once I get over my heartbreak that my favorite character gets sent to the gutter even in 6v6 because god forbid low elo players get rolled for being bad :( genji is still clearly the best dps in the game ofc ofc.
Everyday we genji players suffer
tracer is understandable but genji 😭😭
Yeah I’m not coming back lmao
rip genji and my tracer i need my faster cooldown lol
..Ironically Genji was one of the best DPS in top 500 last season so,,, idk your point. They did not touch blade because the original change was to stop the nanoblade break point on 250 hp heroes. In 6v6 he probably could use a slight damage buff since breakpoints would be unaffected by 28 damage shurikens. Have not done the math on 29. I mean a character can still feel terrible and be good and I think Genji has been the epitome of that in OW2 for its lifespan because outside of like 1 season he has never been terrible.
I think the issue is that Genji's gameplay loop is poke and then go in, but healing has been so inflated since Brig release that his poke does not do anything so you have to all in a lot of the time and Genji has a terrible risk reward ratio on that. So he becomes super team reliant to force cooldowns or to allow him to contest strong positions and your team often do not enable you to do that. On top of the fact that d va basically does that same job but like 10 times better often with less resources.
I’m having more fun with this 6v6 play test than I ever did with 5v5. now imagine how it would feel without the season 9 changes
Facts the season 9 changes made the game even worse 😂
Now imagine if shitwatch 2 DIDNT EXIST 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🖥️💍🖊️👑
I reckon the S9 changes were to better hide EOMM rigging. They won't undo it because it's not about the balance of the game.
They're are sabotaging 6v6 tests, i'm so tired from these devs
Sorry to break it to you. It's not sabotage.. it's just the same balancing team lol.. incompetent has been a problem forever
Yeah--I'm done. I resisted marvel rivals until this point, but I feel like all hope is lost and I should just mske the change and see if that's as better as people claim.
@@yukioacumora4430is there a reason for you to be so loyal to OW? Like play both, it's free.
Atleast it still feels better than 5v5 even with these changes
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at this point I feel like the balance team has no idea what to do with genji without getting backlash from the community so they just leave him as he is 😭
BRO NO GIGA SUPPORT NERFS IS CRAZY, THEY GIGA BUFFED THEM FOR 5V5 THEN JUST KEPT IT THE SAME NOW IN 6V6
They do gotta keep an extra tank alive tho so maybe they kinda need it.
insane. How tf am i supposed to dive anyone as ball in 6v6?
@GungaBunga3000rip doom and ball players do tickle damage then die
Supports now have 1 more person to spread resources to. It inherently "nerfs" them. Nerfing them in general is fine but nerfing them because 6v6 doesnt make sense. Tanks get nerfed because their burden is decreased while supports have more people to look out for.
@@TR-ju5reThey also have one more person protecting them
I like how all of this came out after Marvel Rivals. You'd think they would care a little more and do the work to release 6v6 before their main competition coming out. For me it's too little, too late.
Nahhhhh I'm happy to have both. 6v6 is fun af
I got called a samito grifter for saying this would happen in the previous OW video 😂 unfortunately I was proven right. It feels too late
ima just stay on black panther
I don’t know what genji has done before but damn they hate him, like widow can be meta for multiple seasons but genji can’t be treated well for ONE season 😭😭😭 (I’m not a genji main but ive seen how little they have done with genji)
@@YouraverageFPSplayer YES he has only been meta like twice in the 8 years of ow
I’m a Doom main and I find this genuinely insane. Widow is the only hero in the entire game to keep her cheesy mechanic and its crazy
Fun fact: in the last 3 month in GM on PC, genji is above 10 other dps in win rate. He is the number 5 dps out of those that are regularly played and not niche picks (over 3 percent pick rate)
I CANT STOP SMILING IN 6v6 IT'S SO FLUID
Can’t tell if you are lying or not?
@plaztomic4812 ive just played 10 matches tank was actually fun 😂
@@kadisshinsaku2242 ok haven’t played since i saw the changes and they didn’t seem good. At least to dps which is my main role.
@plaztomic4812 patch is 50/50, its not good, not bad, just okay , 6v6 marginally more enjoyable than 5v5
@@AbbyAZK i will take your word i like some changes, yet i don’t like where there head is at for most of them. i also mostly play genji and seeing him be neglected for almost a year kinda angers me. Yet will try it out and see how it feels to play him.
Genji not being reverted to ow1 stats dmgwise, kiri and weaver got healing buffs and they kept season 9 changes. It's like they want to lose to Rivals
they lost me to rivals for the reasons you mentioned above. i will check the next balance patch of 6v6, but i don't have much hope.
Bro they really are destroying their game
Lol they are not used to having actual competition. I bet they'll be very very surprised when they see the numbers go down as a result of awful balancing because marvel rivals is out now and people aren't forced to put up with their shit balancing.
@@garikek true but at the same time they were still balancing the game poorly even before Marvel Rivals !
@@Gigiez69 yeah I know. What I meant is now that marvel rivals is out their decisions will actually matter. The shit balancing will have a much bigger impact and will affect the player count way more than it did back in the day because now there is an actual overwatch alternative.
After turning the game on for the first time in two weeks I tried 6v6, first few games as tank were rough but I got the hang of it and it's so fun THINGS ACTUALLY DIE
I think the problem is the devs. They legit cant balance this game or design properly. Supports are insane in 6v6
That's the point, supports are their favourites.
And they don't even thought about it, now with 6v6.
It's so laughably to see them how out of touch with the game they are
I’m so invested into Rivals, I wanna try the patch but I’m really feeling that effect of just “one more game” in Rivals . When I’m thinking about the game at work you know it’s over 😂
Because Juno and Kir mains are going to cry about Genji and Tracer destroying them. You need to keep them happy so to keep buying skins.
i am a tracer main or i was, this was my last chance of seeing ow2 balance to revert the support creep and hp buff of s9 , now going to rivals and staying there , cause if they didn't do this in 6v6 they are pretty much never going to do it.
I was bummed why we have OW2 Genji as well, go from 27-28 shuriken dmg and 110-120 blade dmg and slow the swings back down. Idk why they are so afraid of him taking over the game. That being said, as scuffed as the patch was I found myself having fun. On all roles. Even nerfed Genji felt fun in this format, if not a little weak (what’s new). If a patch that is hard throwing the mode plays this good, then I can only imagine if we got something like the quality of 7HSKW or Oct 2020. Peak is now possible. Hopefully they stick with it. Gotta keep playing to keep those numbers up guys.
Genji being unchanged and Doom havin 8 seconds on slam is absolutely atrocious
Desperation after Marvel rivals launch.
Too bad they are out of touch with their own game and don't even know what means to bring back 6v6. As usual, they don't even care, just throw shit up and expect some magic to happen.
Nothing happened, back to Rivals.
same
They hate genji I'm sure now
For one of the heroes that they make a lot of skins for, they sure do hate Genji. I have three Genji mains I’m friends with, and I always have to pocket him during blade just so he can get more than two kills with it.
Fun fact: Reason why they nerfed genji is cuz in 5v5 "genji has less obsicals". also they gave moira 15 more dmg cuz it was not threatning enough but as if blade was :D
Since ow 2 release I’ve hoped that 6v6 would save this game and then I made the swap to rivals, played 6v6 today and realized the hollow shell ow is and how much more unraging and fun rivals is.
6v6 is better, but there are still too much things that make this game bad. I tried rein vs Mauga Orisa and i became depressed.
Tank matchups still exists in 6v6, playing Rein vs Orisa is like shooting yourself in your foot
Can we finally get a competent dev team that at least pretends to know what's going on for once?
I love how they keep saying “fuck Genji in particular” it’s actually kind of funny. Ngl I hate Genji, but I feel for you.
LMAO, they purposely sabotaged the 6v6 test.
One thing I've noticed about this, despite how bad some of the balancing decisions are: The mode is still much more fun than 5v5. To the point where even getting your ass kicked feels way better than playing 5v5.
I am damn sure that the leader of the balance team is either a Moira or Bap main hands down .
It’s the only way such horrible balancing makes sense. They conveniently leave some of the most problematic heroes untouched.
This is 100% a Marvel Rivals panic button and I'm so here for it
I tried out the patch for 4 games. 6v6 feels so good. I only played 3 games of support and 1 game of dps, but the game is so much more dynamic. Lifeweaver felt good, but not really oppressive. The tanks were actually killable, but they are able to do so much more. The dps while they do need some help, is way more fun than in 5v5.
For the devs first attempt on balancing 6v6 (since most of the old dev team have left), it was good! I do hope they do release one or two more balance patch in the test so they can get a feel on how they should balance in a 6v6 format.
I'm baffled at how hard they gutted Queen when no one complained about her and pretty much everyone agreed she was an honest and fun hero. How do you reduce her self-heal multiplier to season 1 levels while leaving the DPS passive in? She has no barrier, no bubble, no armor, no fortify, no mobility, no stun, no block and no defense matrix.
I am going with an open mind, but the fact that my 2 most played characters junkrat and genji have not been compensated at all its created a bad feeling on my chest, and idk how to feel about that
It's better than 5v5, but much worse than it could've been because of the Tank ult charge reduction, S9 HP changes, and the stupid Role Passives. Healing is still too high, immortality abilities still exist, etc etc. also you get normal QP leaver penalties if you leave which is lame. I will be playing till it gets removed to show interest but... it's nowhere near perfect, and shows to me that the devs still don't have a clue what makes this game amazing.
I want uppercut to come back to Doomfist and have his power block removed. Power block is boring and reactive. Uppercut is fun and proactive. Gives another mobility option and another way to get over health to help his survivability. Of course they will have to tweak his health and the amount of over health he gains to make sure he isn’t unkillable
Where is Sombra getting her 6 second hack? Hello??
I'm actually having significantly less fun playing dps in 6v6 than in 5v5, and after playing Marvel rivals for a couple days I think I know why. It's the angles, Overwatch maps are so much more claustrophobic compared to rivals, and 5v5 really let the characters breathe. Now I feel like every time I wanna take a side angle, its covered by multiple people, and I have no choice but to go main even on a character like Genji. I cant isolate targets, someone is always peeling for them, and overall I'm just less impactful. Marvel Rivals maps are HUGE, and even with 6 players it still feels like there's alot of room to take and retreat from space.
I do like the duo tank gameplay better, but DPS seems like a significantly worse role to play. Supports seem relatively the same if you play the typical backline support playstyle, but I'm not a support player really so idk.
bro wrote a youtube script
No dps doom… I didn’t play back then but I know that’s what people were most excited for
They said that will be in ow classic when it returns not sure when tho
The hate on genji is absolutely absurd
so disappointing man
If i was balancing overwatch, I'd just give spam self defense tools that allow them to go even with dive, and delete brawl from the game
If the pizza keeps getting delivered messed up and all over the box, then doesn't that mean it's time to get a new delivery driver. We need a new balance team, these incompetent fools need new jobs.
I don't understand why they didn't just remove all the passives except the global regen and season 9 changes. Also like normal support players get catered to with receiving minimal nerfs like normal or giving them buffs which are unnecessary. CC from abilities is really bad since they have been continuously been buffed in previous patches so its way worse now.
On the other side things die, lots of team play, dps feels better, tank is more fun, and each hero feels like they have an identity.
Overall i just don't understand the constant reason to baby the support players anymore, let the support players have to learn the game like the other players for the tank and dps roles have had to. (this is the reason I'm about to quit the game after 8 years)
It’s not an issue in rivals so much, supports actually have to aim and while sustain could use a nerf it’s so much easier to punish supports for poor positioning etc in rivals than it is in overwatch
there constant need to baby support is why i am going to rivals, i was trying to stick to overwatch in hope of them to not continue this in 6v6 but there is no more hope.
hopefully marvel rivals wont ruin their game and balance properly, also s9 changes were abysmal and shouldn't be in 6v6, what do i care now.... bye.
Why are they so scared of making supports a bit weaker? WHY DOES WIDOW NEED AN HP BUFF
they want to sell skins and can''t risk more players(mainly those support player who keep buying skins) to leave them because they died to a flanker because of their own mistake.
what they don't realize is that more and more of dps player are leaving them now that rivals is here.(MYSELF INCLUDED)
Hey Abby I was a kiri main before I left overwatch n you are preaching bro
I feel the damage breakpoint nerfs on kiri are super boring and I had hanzo syndrome of leaving everyone 10 HP
i don’t know why blizzard hates ninja bros let’s hope rivals keeps psylock fun
So much of the patch note for tanks is just increasing cooldown time instead of nerfing abilities. Passives got kept and they're keeping HP pool changes... The devs don't look like they know what they're doing half the time.
Tanks like ball feel terrible with the pile drive cd increase 8 seconds was perfect 10 seconds is too much with the current state of support power creep (most of them are just better dps)
I just wished to know what their balances are based on. Community? Maybe but who asked for torb buffs lol. Win rates? Maybe but Juno is right there, nerfed only just right now, and hazard just came out and was already nerfed. Philosophy for sure not, unless their philosophy changes once every month like the dps passive. Lol I bet the dps passive will be randomly nerfed or buffed in like 2 seasons.
@xdgamer0189 i know lmao. the only reason supports got buffed so hard was so they can survive without the second tank protecting them. Now that second tank is back they should nerf the healing to the ground but all i've seen are buffs. And not any buffs... Gigabuffs. What can you do on ball now? boop them out of position i guess... value? as much as it is... i guess you can boop tanks off the map now... on like 5 maps... good luck
@GungaBunga3000 half the time that doesnt even work bc ball still has collision in ball form when not in flame form also idk why but he feels more like a pingpong now
@xdgamer0189 lmao
Honestly, It definitly Feels better then 5v5 but has its own problems in 6v6 According to my GF a support player she struggled a bit first few games and felt overwhelmed
DPS wise honestly feels Great i noticed at the start im dying alot maybe cus my supports were focusing so much on keeping 2 tanks alive but after playing more Safe and not expecting my kiriko to TP to me or suzu me out started normalising, Facing Tank also feels good absolutely Destroyed Zarya with Cass/Hanzo/76 Widow didn't feel as opressive compared to 5v5 im also more Pressured when playing widow and Getting single kill didn't feel as impactful its like you need to get atleast 2 for a guaarantee team win depending on Tank comp
Havn't Tried Genji/Tracer or anyone else but was facing alot of genji's and they be blading everywhere some of them saying they prefer this.
Haven't Played Tank Yet but generally having an extra tank to help the other tank makes a world of differences.
Your gf is probably overwhelmed because the Tank players are still playing like they're giga tanks, throwing their bodies in and needing heals every moment. At the end of OW1, nobody was playing like that. Players knew how to play with their health pools and abilities, they played safer. Support was super chill to play back at the end of OW1. OW2 made support way more hectic, forcing you to do so much more.
My friends and I are so excited to play tonight,
Imo they need to remove the season 9 healthpools and give Rein his quality of life changes back, they literally ruined him for no reason
All Genji mains migrating to Marvel Rivals as we speak
and tracer mains as well , atleast i am.
Im definitely having fun with it. I came back to OW2 after not playing OW since like 2018 and came away just not liking 5v5. Its too stressful.
6v6 feels like i have more room to breath personally. Im not very good, im usually a pretty low performer in my it feels like (my aim is dogshit i can at least say that) and its felt like the focus being pulled away from me and into a second tank when ive been any role has allowed me to at least get value out of my cooldowns and contribute way more than i ever have.
But i only played 10 matches. We'll see.
after playing abit of 6v6 tanks still explode. and most tanks feel bad with the very aggresive cd's (especially balls pile drive being 10 seconds 8 seconds was that perfect sweet spot) (and life weaver still does dps amount of dmg and can remove all my progress at the press of a button)
Complaining about tanks in the supertank era with the addition of another tank and LW damage.....some people really are playing a different game
@@TR-ju5resupertank he says dont makr me laugh. Throw an anti nade and they die. In 6v6 its worse due to lpwer hp pools supports being buffed widow also being buffed meanwhile tanks feel sluggish with their cd nerfs and nothing to compensate.
My brother tanks aren't supposed to be raid bosses in 6v6 if you played ow 1 you can lose a 1v1 to a DPS you can't just walk over DPS like you can in regular 5v5
@xdgamer0189widow is objectively weaker in 6v6. You have 2 tanks to control space you need to be using cover and understanding what cooldowns can get you killed. This is not a perfect 6v6 patch but what you're complaining about is just skill issue sorry
@xdgamer0189 Give it time for players to adjust. 2 weaker tanks is and always has been stronger, better and more fun than 1 giga tank. You just need to adjust, and give time for your tank counterpart players to also adjust..
Hopefuly it doesn't take the entire test to do so though..
Reaper , genji and tracer all didnt get their damage nerfs reverted. I think they forgot they nerfed their damage for 5v5 😅
THEY DIDN'T FORGET, they intentionally did this to retain they skin buying supports to not have a bad game.
idk if it's just unlucky first matches but I feel as miserable if not more in 6v6 rn, i know it's a better game but I'm having so close to no fun. I'll give it a little more of a chance for a couple days but if I still feel the same idk if i can keep going with this game anymore.
I went into a match without reading the patch notes and GOD DAMN do you feel the doom slam nerf…..but it’s adaptable since you have a second tank with you
I’m crying I missed this so much
My friends and I are so excited to play marvel rivals tonight
yes
No season 9 reversion, I ain’t playing bruh 💀💀💀
same
Lmao I had to learn the hard way 💀 back to rivals
At least Genji’s love life got a buff in season 14 😂😭
yeah I played ranked today, picked my 5h only widow and controled the lobby
Bro I feel this patch makes things harder to kill and that’s one of the main complaint about 5v5
reason why it feels like it(even though 6v6 still has more elimination per 10)
devs didn't nerf supports survivability ( it was need it in 5v5 , one less tank to peel) and not needed in 6v6.
season 9 hp buff still exist even though no reason for it in 6v6.
damage was not evenly increased across all heros after s9 hp buff so time to kill is higher
so what should have happened because of addition of another tank happened for peeling, but no nerf to hp and time to kill didn't decrease so when tank mess up people still don't die, basically against a team that is a little bit better than your team you will have very little eliminations.
Bro I just really don’t know what to do..
They shoulda made tanks squishier for more kill potential. If im gonna play long CDs I might as well play Marvel Rivals
How do you keep gutting the fun tanks like Doom and Junker Queen keep their cooldown short just change the power effect.
Widow 225 HP...she has a one-shot, there is no sombra against her, they give her a buff, why?
It's like bringing back a junk one-shot, removing pharah, and giving a buff...
Too many benefits.
They didn't remove the season 9 patch and it looks like the game is stuck with that patch forever.
I think if they don’t listen to high-ranking players, then the players will go to marvel rivals.
you are correct , i was waiting for this patch, i am going to rivals till the next 6v6 patch.
Zen got nerfed but we got 10 second bio nade😭
No dps doom, ugh. Besides that. Flats is currently having fun playing with Emmong, they’re actually kinda having fun so 6v6 is more fun, however needs a lot of work
How tf they have a hate bonner for my boy 😢, i even got the beduin skin for him recently
Patch notes are vomit inducing per usual but at least its 6v6.
i have decided not to play ow2 until tracer goes back to 6 instead of 5.5 or revert the season 9 hp buffs and genji breakpoint fix as well, screw this game i have no more hope for this game. they screwed over genji and tracer, as well has they keep buffing support and don't learn. screw this i am playing rivals.
they hate high skill ceiling heros in this game, they wanted to baby this game, i thought they would realize how bullshit it is to remove skill. this should and will cause them to lose players, especially now that we have alternative in the same genre.
i was so excited for this now i am just angry. they just don't care.
i already didn't play the game after classic mode and i am not going to play it until they revert s9 hp buff that has no place in 6v6.
also widow hp buff is a big proof they really don't want to listen to their community. i am done.
I'm scared about the support changes.... why are none of them nerfed? Why are we buffing sustain further? The game is going to be stagnated EVEN HARDER as they buff kiri, bap, etc. AND LOWER THE DPS PASSIVE PERCENTAGE? WHHAAAAT?! The devs are cooked man... terrible patch.
i know lmao healing is insane in 5v5 but in 6v6 its even worse. Honestly they should just remove supports completely. Like just imagine overwatch without supports... Things would die... you would actually be punished for a mistake... there wouldnt be lifeweawer to press f E and save you... like there's actually no reason to even have supports. Is it satisfying to not die bc someone spammed buttons? no... is it frustrating to not get a kill bc someone spammed buttons? yes... a lot.
Im sorry then you are genuinely playing the wrong genre of games then. Supp is core part of hero arena shooters. COD seems more up your alley@GungaBunga3000
@GungaBunga3000 without supports it wouldnt be "things would die" or "you would be punished for mistakes" you would simply explode. Healing in games needs to be higher than a certain amount of dmg to make healing actually a viable thing to do if not its just a useless role.
@@aidenbrenneman2302The issue is the uninteractiveness of the support abilities. It's not about outplaying with most of the supports, it's "I press this button so I win" and it's frustrating especially when you're playing high skill heroes
@@alfonsovelazquez9565 nah i l9ve overwatch. And this was just a theory anyway... theyre not gonna remove any hero. Healing defenitely is too high or atleast too easy to do. Ana is the only fair support. And tbh nade is kinda strong... especially in 6v6 with 10 sec coldown lmao.
a ranked and unranked mode would be fun 😮
this has to be some sort of self sabotage lol these changes dont even make sense
Too late blizzard i already playin marvel rivals
I’m staying in marvel rivals they botched their one chance they had
As a genji one trick, fuck this game lol, rivals time.
As a tracer one trick, fuck this game ,i am with you, it rivals time.
im not sure but wasnt there way less healing in ow1? if yes then why are supports getting buffed?
Healing was just as strong in OW1 as well
@AbbyOW2 ig im wrong then...
Just started watching the video. I lack the brain power to understand what your saying but, good video.
I give up. Im going to marvel rivals i guess. Im tired of this incompetenant team.
i am with you, dev team sucks.
6v6 is very fun but is absolutely miserable on all the OW2 maps and modes besides flashpoint. They were very clearly built for 5v5 making them feel miserable in 6v6. Never had less fun. 6v6 is leagues better unless it’s on those already shitty maps and modes.
Maybe too late marvel rival is fun an new gotta go big to bring back players 😊😊
Also zen got kick destroyed no boop
Or damage buff
What to say they buff widow and keep genji as it is, buff Ashe cass while they are top pick from season 8 low skill high reward Gg
they put passive but nerf only dps one so everything is unkillable tanks are even worst then before due to high hp cc is getting worst as well as immortalities.
We all see that Como ing they doing this to sabotage 6v6, I’m done I hope everyone will switch to rivals this is the last joke.
i am switching to rivals, will check back if competitive 6v6 mode come and has a better patch than this but i dont have much hope after seeing this patch.
The season 9 hp pools while even I was against it but it’s actually good for the game. Less is not more guys. Having a varied health pool means characters can actually have an identity (except for widow I guess)
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The issue is that they did this for everyone but the tanks. The tanks hp pools make no sense. Why is doom at 425, but they make him clunkier (he’s actually kinda broken.)
Tank health pools should’ve been.
Doom 375
Sigma 400
JQ 425
Zarya 450
Rein 475
Hog 500.
i agree until the tank health pools like no those sound awful
@ tanks need lower hp pools and better mitigation opposite of what we got. DVA doesn’t need more than 2x torbs health
@@AnimeOtaku56. yes they do using one of your examples hog having 500 hp wouldnt do anything and would explode upon an enemy dps seeing him and idk why you gave zarya more health than she already has rein also needs more than 475 he had like 500 in ow1
@@aidenbrenneman2302 if rein had a better charge, No move speed penalty on shield, mostly armor health 400 armor, and 2 fire strike charges he’d be much more fun to play and could have lower health. We can give these tanks better game experiences while lowering there hp pools without really touching effective hp. If you’re using your cd’s properly you will be fine.
Genji was just now meta? I’m ready for a change of pace personally still see him a lot in ranked
He’s only being played because he’s a fan favorite
@ I think the majority of high rank players are meta abusers and he’s heavily played this past season
@@bennettstokes195 he’s being played because of widow mainly he’s the best counter we got since sombra isn’t reliable, genji is currently in his weakest state ever
Meta because of the game around him.
Not because of himself.
There's a vast difference to this core idea.
For example Mauga is a meta definer hero but never a complimentary
Genji is complimentary
@@AbbyAZK I mean I kinda agree though lately seems like Juno is really the mover and the questions who’s the best conduit for her power
Where is the sym Torret buff?
This game. Is BS
Going back to Marvel Rivals