Bravely Default II - Player Feedback & Developer Update - Nintendo Switch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ต.ค. 2020
- Thanks to all who played the demo version of Bravely Default II that released earlier this year! Watch this video to see how your feedback has helped shape the final game ahead of its release on February 26, 2021.
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The fact that they took in almost all of the major feedback and did something about it just tells me its got to be good if they care so much
Team Asano are legendary for enhancing upon player feedback.
Just look at Octopath Traveler. They did the same thing and it turned out fantastic. It has the best boss fight I have ever experienced.
@@ReachStudioPro For me, I loved that they listened to feedback, but Octopath still felt like a downgrade from Bravely Second, their prior work, which felt like a downgrade from the original Default. This however felt like a somewhat better Octopath from the start which had me cautiously optimistic. Now however with this update, I’m confident it’ll surpass Bravely Second. Whether or not it’ll tie or surpass Bravely Default, and possibly (what I see as the best JRPG that’s nearly tied with Bravely Default) Final Fantasy 6, is yet to be seen.
I'm actually surprised they named the ATB system as i did put that in my UI criticism.
Exactly! The fact they take the feedback so seriously and actually listen is a REALLY good sign!
I love this! This is exactly why you want to do a demo in the first place.
Fantastic work!
Unfortunately, most developers just release a demo a week or so before to boost sales. They don't care about feedback.
Well my issue is they claim to have added a feature that was already a part of the core series before. So they removed that feature only to readd it once people complained about a demo
@@gomamon8439 What feature?
@@DeltathRiylaan yeah... and why would they do something like that?
I don't necessarily agree. It's an interesting use for a demo, sure, but a demo's primary function is for the players who wish to try a game before purchasing. Demos should be designed with that in mind. This is more specifically a demo to gather feedback from players, and did not represent the full game.
More games should do stuff like this.
Agreed!
Ez mode? Maybe dont play games then?
@@chaikagaz Look carefully. There are several Difficulties level.
@paula Yes, it is the same team
If you mean getting feedback through a demo, then that's the entire point of "early access". It's become misconstrued by releasing buggy and unfinished games early, but the point of "early access" is well displayed in games like Baulders Gate 3.
I'm very thankful of how transparent they are with the feedback & their reasoning for their planned adjustments! This is the kind of player & developer relationship games should always strive for. I'm pumped about the changes, but Bravely Default II and Square both just have a lot of bonus good will going in, too!
I think they did the same with Octopath Travel and the first Bravely Default. It is really nice when devs/publishers do this.
@@Drstrange3000 Yup Octopath had the same process and it’s a great thing to do. Daemon X Machina was another one also.
I very much appreciate the fact that they're receptive to feedback.
YES, I love when developers take surveys and take them into account!!! Thank you Takahashi-san for listening to us as well as doing what you think is right at the same time, I'm SUPER excited to continue my journey in the Bravely series with 100% completion in Bravely Default, Bravely Second, and OCTOPATH Traveler I am also going to 100% Bravely Default II
Agree. I've only ever played octopath but it was hella fun and I'm real excited to start a new journey with these characters.
I wasn’t gonna buy the game before this, but all the changes they’ve made is getting me very excited for the game :) im definitely going to be buying this now thank u square enix!
I pre ordered as I'm not going to deal with stores.
I was cautiously optimistic before as someone who saw Octopath as a downgrade from their prior works, but these two trailers removed all doubt from my mind.
I was on the fence. I definitely had some issues with it after the demo, but I felt similarly with Octopath. Great to see they took the time to address concerns again and improve the game. I like all of the changes.
@@rezahydra my biggest problem with octopath was the lack of interesting stories, some had their moments but overall I felt like I was playing through 8 different games
Octopath's final boss is the hardest JRPG boss I've fought to date. I finished prior to it over lvl 60 on all chars which LOOKED like I overleveled but the boss showed me I have to go until 85 or so. I still haven't beaten it. Save is there, needing to grind.
TH-cam and Netflix years ago: No one ever uses any rating other than 1 and 5 stars in anything. Let's remove scaled rating systems.
Bravely Default 2 feedback: VAST MAJORITY of ratings are 2-4 stars.
Also Netflix: Cancels a popular show after 1-2 seasons even when winning awards.
that's only true for acutal feedback sheets and people willing to do a valid feedback. Nobody would do that for a crappy comedy show, or 3 minute youtube video so its redundant in those cases. You have to adapt to what you do and want to achieve and be informative about your expectations.
@@TriageII You're acting like rating something other than absolutely perfect or complete garbage takes more than a couple of seconds to think, or that people won't write novel length Amazon reviews about Plastic Halloween Spiders completely unprompted.
@@DairunCates I think you really are over estimating the general consumer base of both of those platforms. The people who did the full feedback survey put far more time into thinking about it since games tend to be far more complex and the survey asked for more than just a rating; the people who completed it all the way though had a much higher commitment to their feedback than just picking a number and that being it
@@DairunCates I only said what I thought prompted the change. If you want to present a counter point, there is no need to be personal about it. I never said your point is invalid, only that it wasn’t happening, so they implemented a like system. 95% of videos on yt used to have a 5 or 1 point so they changed It.. think that was a valid point to make. If you have a different opinion or knowledge then Please it forward. But considering what you said it probably won’t be interesiting anyway since you think people act by presenting their point..
Genuinely have never felt this listened to by a company
Team Asano are quite legendary in that regard.
It's always nice to see a company genuinely care, it's so rare.
It's "something of a scientist"
@@tracerbullet85 I’ve had this pfp and username for 2 years, trust me I know
@@somethingofascientist7084 Ah gotcha, well while I'm at it "somewhat" is one word if you feel like changing that
This truly shows how much the developers cared for making BD2 the best it could be, they took all the suggestions to heart and applied the best they could.
every doubt i had about it from the demo is now gone
I cant believe they incorporate all major feedback fans ask for. well, at least as far as I can remember obviously...
@@axelus2 Yeah! They actually incorporated a turn order gauge which was something that wasn’t really clear about when someone acts, so I’m really happy about that, I was worried they wouldn’t implement it because of balancing issues.
@@_Cieluim_ the good part is, they still give uncertainty on the turn order (especially for enemy) to give extra difficulties which is brilliant for me. my favourite feedback to be honest are the battle information and - + button. those two almost let me down big time.
@@axelus2 They managed to make a really good blend of uncertainty and strategy, I was worried it would side too much on the player.
The -+ info is great, it felt cluttered before now it feels clear! Overall the UI got some nice changes without sacrificing the aesthetic they’re going for, I’m really happy about that.
REALLY hope this game sells well! I really appreciate when devs listen to their fans and strive to make their games better for them.
Very excited to play Bravely Default 2 next year! 😄
It was sold out on the Walmart online store.
@@barrybend7189 I see that it's still on Amazon but I want to wait to see if there will be any type of collectors edition before I pre-order!
@@eligamerman I'm just happy getting the game.
Day 1 scoop boi😎
@@barrybend7189 Agreed. The game will be wonderful!
I feel like I said something almost word for word on many of those problems on the survey. Very proud of how maturely people answered
Jrpg fans overall are more polite than other gaming communities (which seems like a cliché because japanese people themselves are that way, but they really are)
Also, it's clear they won't be showing in this video the offensive feedback which surely they got
I mean, if you took time out of your day to answer a survey, why would you say something stupid or irrelevant, might as well make some constructive criticism at that point :)
@@terencecaron2922 happy to be apart of it!
@@wesley777y so true
you can tell when dev teams really care about their product more than the money when they do something like this. the dev team for guilty gear did the same, and really happy to see the trend spreading around.
But itll will still probably get meta critic bombed when it releases.
They did the exact same thing for the last entry in the series, too.
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you can tell when dev teams really care about their product more than the money when they do something like this"
That's not true. The dev team isn't losing any money from this. Square, and possibly Nintendo, may have invested additional funds into the project, but the actual dev team wouldn't have to take any cuts to what they were making.
its japanese GAME MAKER we talk about.
Thet put money way behind the product quality & gaming experience itself.
Man I’m so happy that they fixed monster movement on the field! That was honestly my biggest gripe with with the demo, the fact that they just break into a full-on sprint towards you the *exact* moment you come into their view was really annoying.
I played way too much Tales of to notice it.
@@barrybend7189 I've been a long time tales of fan but you can still outrun enemies in those games and the standard difficulty isn't so high so it's not as egregious there in comparison to default 2.
@@hiccupasterisk True, but if you can sneak up on them most enemies aren't that difficult in the Bravely Default II demo, and you can usually manage to nail them with a sword-swing when you sneak up on them. Not saying some improvement wasn't needed, particularly being able to out-run them and getting a visual aid for the stronger ones will be nice, but I found it manageable, at least until I hit the level cap and was trying to finish maxing the job levels of the characters while trying to chase-down super-fast enemies. Then it became down right annoying.
@@Razmoudah that was hilarious when i max leveled.
Yup. In the desert part it wasn’t too bad but the wolves, man...
1:53 The only enemy I felt was unfair to fight were those wasps in the first dungeon.
i hated them wasps
damn wasps
The Vespids?
This doesn't address everything I had problems with, but what is being done is so much more than I was anticipating. The development team is really showing they want this game to be the best it possibly can. So Kudos to them!
Just curious, but what other problems did you have with the demo? Personally, and this is more of an issue I have with the whole series, I wish they would include more battle ost. While I love the Bravely series' ost, Bravely Second only had 7 battle themes, including boss battle themes.
@@rainyparadox6208 who says they arent more?
My main criticisms were with the battle system and to be fair, a lot was addressed. The 3 things that haven't been addressed(as far as I'm aware) are accidental Defaults(it happened more often than not during my demo run), being able to Brave and "Un-Brave" while in the middle of selecting a Job Skill(Weird QoL exclusion since it was the 3DS games and Octopath) and no End of Combat bonuses(both the original game and Octopath had them so I was shocked they weren't in this game).
@@obba40 Well, I hope there are more tracks than in the last games. The soundtrack is one of my favorite parts of these games.
@@brendantjeerdsma492 Second also introduced the feature that abled to fight again, that was nice. Also, there were no auto battles on the demo
Bless all the devs that actually listen to their supporters. Chapeaux.
Unfortunately way too few companies actually do this, so it's very refreshing to see someone do it this thouroughly, especially if it's from one of my favorite series. Makes me want to support them even more.
I was on the fence due to my gripes with the demo but they’ve literally fixed the specific issues I had so now I definitely will be picking it up! I’d love if more companies took this approach.
I'm glad there's finally an indicator of the turn order.
Same. I'm not sure how I feel about the negative BP punishment though. It looks like if you drop to the negatives, your gauge fills up slower, making it feel like too much of a risk to deal with.
@@trainathan Huh; I did not notice that. I suspect that the speed stat also plays a role in how quickly the gauge fills up, which would certainly explain why characters sometimes got multiple turns in a row (like the stupid sandworm boss I kept losing to because I don't like strategies that rely on chance and it would always get something like three turns in a row whenever I came close to finishing it off). Honestly, I don't like either of those.
I do think it would be neat if defaulting raised it more quickly though, as that would further incentivize defaulting.
@@matthewmuir8884 Maybe they will also make speed buff better now or they will add a ability that reduces -1 default points recharge. But it will be probaly from a more endgame boss (and you will have to counter him with some time mage).
@@trainathan That might just be to indicate when your next ACTUAL turn is and skip the turns where you are building back your BP. Honestly, the entire system feels less elegant than the original Brave/Default system even with these changes.
@@TheCrescentKnight True; it does overall seem less elegant. That said, I will say that it did seem to have some potential advantages when I played the demo. For instance, the turns being character-based means that easy fights are potentially over more quickly (as you just have to go through one person's turn rather than the whole party's), as well as some potential strategic advantages now that the guesswork's been removed.
this is great! another thing that wasn't mentioned is when speaking to a character, we couldn't speed up the text, so hopefully that was added too :)
It wasnt mentioned because they got feedback from only 22,000 out of the 1 million players who downloaded the demo. So i highly doubt what you want will be addressed
@@chaikagaz no that’s something many people asked for
@@chaikagaz a lot of my friends who played the demo, and people i asked online also noticed it, so they most likely saw it
@@taehn_ they did say this is only some of the updates so who knows!
@@chaikagaz they said they got 22000 responses in the first month. The changes reflected probably entailed the past 7 months and not just the first month responses. I hope there is more changes as well, but we will find out
Gamefreak should really learn from this game and this company.
Got that right!!
While I don't think they should try the demo approach with pokemon since the Sun and Moon demo resulted in a lot of Leaks about the actual game. Town definitly would have benefited from a similar market research based approach.
Edit Little Town Hero I forgot they released the working title and then changed the name which is a sign of poor market research.
@@codystork3008 I can agree. SWSD should learn from this.
:)
@@codystork3008 Isn't the problem of the development team though, not the fact it's a demo? Lots of demos only had what's needed, but it seemed Sun & Moon just carried over practically a beta/testing release on it. Another example is that apparently the demo cartridge given to game sellers of Diamond & Pearl is just a modded Japanese version of it. Pokemon games rarely scrub info (we still see old Key Items in the code even today), which may be a sign of how they don't do as much QA as needed (hence IMO why excuses of some things not being added is due to needing lots of playtesting seems suspect, as they don't seem to have good enough QA for some reason, and seems to be quite cheap for the resources they have).
This was such a good idea for Octopath, and it seems to have worked well here too. More companies should do this.
true
The turn order thing was my biggest grievance so I'm happy they fixed it.
Honestly, I'd rather they fixed it by adding a turn order display at the top of the screen than this unnecessarily complicated "Turn Gauge/Exclaimation Mark" system. Or better yet, just revert to the original round based system.
@@TheCrescentKnight but as they mentioned, it would throw off the balance of the game with the brave and default commands if you knew exactly which enemy was going next. In the first 2 games you didn’t know which enemy would go next, only that they all would. Balance is key here too
I really liked the ATB system they made. It's far more interesting than turn order
it seems more of a bandaid fix tbh... because under this new battle system, braving/defaulting feels very out of place. there's a fair bit of whining found on r/bravelydefault but I sympathise with some of it, where they rightly point out that not being able to default at the beginning of the round means that some of your squishy party members are just going to outright die when a string of 3 or 4 enemies act in sequence
@@alephbunchofnumbers And that's basically what kept happening in the demo. They said that the main complaint was that the game was too hard, but that's not accurate. The problem was that the stat balancing between different enemies was way off. In one encounter, I killed them all with ease, but in the very next battle there will be 3 enemies that not only was able to nearly one shot any class, but also took 4-5 rounds of hitting their weakness to down.
This is honestly super cool, I wish more nintendo games would listen to fan feedback
They do though. Breath of the Wild listened to fan feedback from Skyward Sword. Mario Odyssey listened to fan’s wishes of open-world 3D Mario. Smash Ultimate has a lot of fan-requested characters. Super Mario Party returned to the original Mario Party formula. Luigi’s Mansion 3’s developers went on forums to address the criticisms of dark moon. Metroid Prime 4 was announced early than other Nintendo games purely to make Metroid fans assured that Metroid would be coming after a long absence, and so much more.
@@TheLegoMaster261 I think it's more on the specific game itself before release rather than getting feedback from the previous game, when in theory it should be a separate experience, unless you really count it as only an "update sequel" (this is more like Pokemon, which rarely changes each gen but does try to build up from what was made before, although that is debatable in recent games).
I agree with this statement, but I have to make one change.
>This is honestly super cool, I wish more games would listen to fan feedback
One thing that always bothered me in many Nintendo games is the lack of options in general. The worst offender by far is so many games not even having options for sound mixing.
@@justinfarischon7868 Well, in Nintendo's case, it tends to happen the most, hence why he mentioned them.
I am extremely hyped up for this game.
Such honesty and openness for communication in this announcement, dev definitely deserves some compliments.
My biggest complain was the "Whos turn is it When?" I like the original choose every characters action and depend on speed who will attack when... I think this is more back to basic like old FF games. And kind of ruins bravely default fighting system. I had really good strategy back then when almost oneshoted every boss and got awesome EXP, JP boost. Im happy atleast they added some bonus for killing strong enemies. I will love this game too. RNG aren't always bad. But I miss bonuses after every battle with fast kills. Looking forward to combine jobs to make really good strategies.
Happy so many ppl loved the music! Revo is so good!
Actually Bravely Default and Second used the older select an action system of FF 1 through 3. Bravely Default 2 uses the ATB style system of ff4 onward. So in this case its where you now have to plan around the speed of a character than gamble with the speed initiative system. As the Speed initiative system does have a bit of a weird chance of enemies acting first.
This was my one big complaint too. I wish they'd just stuck with the old system of choosing all actions first, it made strategies much easier to plan out. That battle system was literally perfect in BS, there was no need to touch it. I'm glad they've addressed it with the ATB system but still wary about how enjoyable that will be coupled with the Brave and Default system.
@@Baker1000NxD the problem was with how easy the game became in late game. As with the job system it made broken job combinations easier. With ATB it gives every encounter a secondary layer of strategic thinking. Chrono trigger and FF4 had very balanced systems without making final bosses unnecessarily hard( as BD final boss had that issue regardless of cheesimg weakness). In BS case the boss was way to easy as you can out level it by mid game.
@@barrybend7189 Bravely Default boss wasn't that hard... though, I'm comparing the original Japanese-only version to the world released For the Sequel. FTS/world release added a bunch of things that made the game much easier.
They always listened to the players
Back then, Bravely Default and Second had demos too, such a nice thing to see these days
Hope we're going to get more videos on the game, just like Octopath had with the music video and all
I can't wait to play the full game !
Looking at this game just wants me want even more the resurgence of Golden Sun 🥲. This game looks cool too btw, I just miss my Djinn and elemental stuff, don't forget summons 😍 And Like Isaac didn't made it into smash, at least a remake with both original games or heck al three would be something 🥰✅
I don't want to alarm you, but there are some pretty interesting rumors suggesting that may actually happen soon.
@@jackhammer4499 Don't lift me up with such hope... the fall will break me 😭
I really hope so. GS4/Mourning Moon when ...
We Golden Sun fans need to stick together. :D
Billybo10k did a video on it a little while ago. It's... worth taking with a grain of salt, but it does have some seemingly very promising points.
I hate it when they say "newcomers to the series"
Man I ain't a newcomer. But it felt like I had a level one character in an end-game area.
But props to them regardless for listening to the feedback like this. Its quite refreshing.
they did the same thing with the bravely default demo. they gave you a party of level 1 characters and dropped them onto the second area. (actually made me really disappointed with how stupidly easy the game wound up being)
@@FlamingZelda3 I remember 100%ing that demo. Was fine.
Though to be fair I might be remembering it wrong & thinking of Bravely Second.
This is all great that they listened to feedback. Being able to change between difficulty options at any time should be mandatory in all JRPGs. That way we're not locked into something either too easy or too hard. Though, I do wish they made the turn gauge better. Something like Trails of Cold Steel. I love how you can see the order of which team mates & enemies are in.
He did say that they wanted to leave some element of surprise.
I feel like adding the "Turn Gauge" and the "Exclaimation Marks" is a dumb idea to solve the issue of not knowing who turn it is next. All they needed was to show the turn order at the top of the screen. PROBLEM SOLVED. In fact, you could show how many BP each character and enemy has in the corner of their turn icon, and when they Brave just add a icon layered underneath it for effect.
They probably looked at snes era Final fantasy games for the basis to the solution,
although there's probably a reason more modern games have gone with something like what you're suggesting.
@@penguindragon0155 Well the point of the ATB battle system (The System used in the SNES and PS FF games) is that it rewards quick decision making since the enemy's turn gauge will continue to fill while you are selecting your next attack. Games that have a displayed turn order (like FFX for example) do so because certain commands have a value that delays when your next turn is.
BDII doesn't seem to do either of those things which makes the change to the battle system even more baffling.
@@TheCrescentKnight Huh, i am not very much informed about rpgs, so i did not really know about that being FFX's combat system and did not have in depth knowledge about it's common intricacies.
neat
P.S. i also forgot about atb having the enemy still fill their gauge during your decision making
@@TheCrescentKnight There's still some merit in limiting the player in what they know and don't know. Whether that makes the game better or worse is hard to say and depends on what you prefer.
I'm sure they thought about adding an overview of the turn orders, like they did in Octopath, but for some reason they decided not too.
I think that the turn order at the top of the screen wouldn't work specifically because of how the turn order is decided in the first place, and they way that it's altered. Attacks that delay a turn will deplete the meter, having higher speed will mean more turns, ect. I'm having a hard time explaining it unfortunately, but I hope this helps a little bit. Essentially what I'm trying to say is that combat isn't round-based.
I'm concerned that they did not address the major problem of actions being completely lost when you queue them without having BP.
In Bravely Default/Second, you could queue whatever moves you want even if you don't have the BP, and the character would attempt to use the moves, and fail only if they don't have BP at the time of use. If they recovered BP from something like a dancer in the meantime, the move would then work.
In fact I really hate that they've doubled down on the action meter mechanic, the battle system loses a lot of interesting strategies that can only be done by selecting your entire team's actions for the turn all at once.
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments.
Wait its like atb version now and not like before that all actions of everyone is done at once?
hear, hear friend!
What is the tactical difference between faster character (A) boosting slower character (B)'s BP before they use their barrage of commands, and higher ATB character (A) boosting lower ATB character (B)'s BP before using a barrage of commands? Sure it does remove some pre-emptive planning, but it's basically the same amount of strategy, just less relying on mentally noting individual speed stats.
Still ignored the biggest complaint, the battle system being speed based now makes defaulting a whole lot worse and mostly pointless. And didnt talk about the awesome BD mechanic of changing the encounter limit on the fly. Instead of wasting time chasing or running away from monsters, you could in past games just turn it off or ramp it up the encounter rate.
Yeah, I'm worried that we won't be able to adjust encounters anymore, that's a big reason why I loved the first game
@@lagartijamuerta could you do that in the first game? I know you could in the second.
@@angelsheavenlygarden1267 Yeah, you could adjust encounter rates, exp gain and money gain iirc. It's what made the game bearable towards the second half lol
@@lagartijamuerta ah it’s been a very long time since I’ve played bd
@@lagartijamuerta Not in the original version. The For the Sequel/worldwide release added a lot that made the game easy-mode even on Hard.
It´s really nice to see that they took the feedback to heart and tried to improve the game but to be honest, the battle turn order still worries me. The "action bar" and exclamation mark does help but it might no fix the problem with the way turn order is decided in battle.
Like, I remember from the demo how some of the faster enemies could attack one of my characters, only for the same enemy to attack again before I even get the chance to select a action (and I´m not taking about the enemy using Brave, just that they got their turn back really fast). This meant that the speed stat was OP, since you could get multiple chances to attack the enemies before they could act, and the reverse was also true. In the demo I would constantly find myself using brave to defeat the enemies as fast as possible since by the time my characters got their turn (especially the slower tanks), they had already gotten attacked several times without me being able to select default (defend).
In the previous games you chose all of your characters actions at the start and the default command had priority, unlike the BD2 demo. I cannot help but feel that this "real time action bar" thing will limit your options to speedy jobs since slower jobs will get less opportunities to act. Hopefully my worries are in vain and the final game still has similar depth as the previous two games.
So, my biggest concern about this game is how it functions compared to the 3ds games. In those games, you chose everyone's actions first, and THEN then turns happened. This worked really well with the Bravely and Defualt system. Now when you choose an action, it's instantaneous, more akin to something like Octopath Traveler (which this studio also made.) This changes how the games works from the rest from the series, and with how brutally difficult the demo was, i couldn't get a good feeling for it. This still leaves me a bit skeptical, especially since i didn't like Ocotpath all that much (combat was fun, but it was too grindy and repetitive for me), but i'll still have hope this new battle system works.
Edit: also, they have a Gambler class and a class that appers to be an artist! i have no idea what it does, but imma use it when i get it.
Bro that's exactly how i feel. Im still excited for the release and all but it's still kind of a bummer
That was one of my biggest issues as well. In the 3DS games, being able to review your turns was so important. Turn gauges are useful but the turn order still made no sense in the demo. Sometimes one character can move 2 or 3 times before another, and sometimes bosses can move multiple times in a row and get rid of their debuffs instantly.
I also hate that none of the abilities have descriptions in-battle, like you're supposed to have absolutely everything memorized. Or that weapons in shops don't show your actual stats, only what they would change to. Sucks they didn't address either of these.
Think the issue with the old system is it made defaulting way, way too safe. 90% of the time the best course of action when you weren’t quad braving was to default.
Now there’s a lot more strategy involved in knowing the best time to default and it means you actually have to learn enemy attack patterns which I personally really like the idea of.
I like what they're doing with the new system, it's reinventing the way we brave and default and it looks neat. Some of the most broken strategies in Second and the original revolved around abusing a bit of the default defense boost, so I'm glad they're changing that
They jumped from ff3 to ff4 battle styles. Which is ironic as the team responsible for the Bravely series did the DS remasters of Final Fantasy 3 and 4.
I'm really really happy with this, they fixed literally everything I had a problem with in the demo and then some, can't wait till release
Glad they changed the overworld behavior of enemies, you should always have the opportunity to avoid them, if they get to attack you no matter what you might as well go back to random battles. That was my biggest problem with the Demo version, which I still quite liked overall.
Same. I hated how frequent the encounters were since you could accidentally pull three groups at the same time and not get a chance to heal. Hopefully they fixed off screen enemies being able to target the party since that was an issue I had when playing the demo.
Team, don't know if someone will ever see this but we might need LESS glossy-looking character. Some paster/watercolour looking texture and effects would be great.
Yeah it looks too shiny for me too. I prefer the softer watercolor look of the 3ds games. I’ll still end up buying this, but the graphics look a bit less unique now
@@chrisk9613 I agree, when i see the chibi versions of these new characters i feel no drive pushing my curiosity to find out their backstories or personality - however when i see the full water colour art of the characters you cannot help but be intrigued!
I’m so so happy they listened to so any of the major suggestions and demo issues. I love this dev team so much omg this game is gunna be great
This is so cool that they used there demo as a way to improve there game. More games need to do this way.
Regarding players not knowing who's turn it is and when: It'd be more appealing visual and also a more simplified setup if it was like Octopath Traveler's setup for that. It's just little portraits of each character towards the bottom of the screen and then, depending on if the character braves or defaults, the character portrait shifts where it needs to for the reorder.
Oh my god. I love the Brave series since beginning on 3DS. Glad, you made this title coming up even better. I'm frickin exited for this game and thanks for listening to the community.
Just played the demo. It was challenging but fun and rewarding. This fan feedback is exactly what needs to be fixed. This will be my first Bravely Default game and I’m excited.
Im just here for the finished music!
any link to the new tracks?
I just hope this is secretly Bravely Third somehow, this was supposed to be Ringabel’s game dang it.
Same. I'm not buying another Bravely game until they bring back the original turn order and finish off Bravely Default and Second's story.
@@SilverRiMiX the original turn order is what i miss the most. letting you plan out an entire attack strategy before damage starts getting dealt is a very small change but it feels a lot better with the Bravely 1 system.
@@SilverRiMiX They’re probably not changing how combat works at this point since the game is probably balanced entirely around it. As for finishing the story of 1 and 2, remember that they like to do last minute twists with these games, especially with the title. I don’t have the slightest idea what they’re going to do, but it’s likely they reveal at some point that this was Bravely Third all along.
@@MaskedHeroLucky Considering they've stuck with what they've stated in August's interview, they are not going to be continuing the story on 1&2. They even had the audacity to state that if they ever did, they'd make it a mobile game, or even a 3DS game (Wtf, the 3DS is discontinued).
Just wait, the combat system is going to be a complete mess.
@@MaskedHeroLucky I have a conspiracy theory about that actually. They used the Roman numeral II for the title, but what if that’s actually an eleven? If you count Altair in Second(which I kinda do, the guy was taking control of Tiz for a while), then we now have 11 playable characters throughout the series (Tiz, Agnes, Ringabel, Edea, Yu, Magnolia, Altair, and the four from this game). Crackpot theory, I know. But it’s fun to think about
Thank you so much for implementing visuals to help the player see turn order! I can't wait to play this game!
Very impressed with the amount of consideration and effort put into revamping major feedback. Looking forward to the official release even more now! Well done!
l really like that they are open to criticism and feedback and are willing to listen and improve the game before launch, but l kinda have to wonder why stuff like changing difficulty and being able to switch which button is brave/default wasnt there from the start, since it was a standard feature in both the games on the 3ds
They probably had to redo most of their work since it's on a new console, so it makes sense that they didn't implement old mechanics they thought were unnecessary. As long as they're willing to bring them back after realizing fans want them back, it makes sense.
@@Fabiocean2000 that might be it for the button thingie, but not having difficulty options and cleaning up cluttered info-pages kinda seem like a no-brainer to me
I was one of the 9,841 of the US ones. 2:37 my ATB battle system suggestion was used.
You are the chosen one...
1:29 just listen to this battle theme. I'm glad the ost is gonna be godlike as we all expected.
Thank you for taking the time to listen improve and then explain what you have change to give us a better gaming experience
Yessss, so hype for this. Glad they are adding in options, it would be weird to not have any of the quality of life features that the first two games had.
Imagine if ringabel somehow appears in this game
Brooooooo
Imagine if Ringabel is the old man
I'm always down for my bel to get rung! But I wouldn't bank on it.
he wont. they said that somewhere much much earlier months ago, in an interview, the complete old cast is thrown away including all the old worldbuilding because they think bravely:second was not up to its expectations.(which is bs)
i wont buy this game unless they bring the old cast and luxendarc back.
@@Link3000XD Too bad many others are gonna anyway including me
Thank you for taking feedbacks and making adjustments!
This alone just sold me the whole game! Props to you for listening to each and every feedback given!
Yoooo, I’m so hype for this game! It’s old school FF at its best. A lot of people still don’t even realize that BD is technically an OG Final Fantasy spinoff. This isn’t some indie bois, it’s a full on GOTY contender and a lot of cats are sleeping on it. Also, in case you missed the first 2 on the 3DS, if you had game data saved in your memory from the demo, you were rewarded in the retail version with bonus gear and items. I wouldn’t be surprised if they do something like that here. So if you haven’t already, go get the demo now and have fun getting wrecked by that damn sandworm.
Yes, we had to wait a little bit more than they said, but if this time is because they are following our recommendations it's completely fine. Hype to play the game.
Thanks so much for all these changes!
It's really cool when a demo and player feedback is actually used to improve the game, really happy to buy this day one!
I absolutely love seeing developers take so much care and time to appreciate and understand the feedback of their fanbase and players! Keep it up guys, really looking forward to picking up the game day one!
Bro i miss playing this game on my 3ds xl! I remember killing that christmas boss fish and that alien saucer!
Pretty this game wasn't on the 3ds lmao
The first Bravely was but not this one
@@phazonruler3000 that's what he meant
Oh yeah, the Ba'als were awesome, I remember having a hard time killing the snowboard mountain one and how fun it was battling with the umbrella sea urchin
My biggest complaint is now you attack after each character and not all at once. Why couldn't it be the way the original games did it?
In the first two its was Final Fantasy 1 and 3 speed based initiative. In Bravely Default 2 they are using the Final Fantasy 4 and 5 ATB style system which the final boss of Bravely Second used( hence the random actions of the final boss regardless of level).
@@barrybend7189 who cares - this is the Bravely series and this was a part of its charm and what made the games good and appealing in the first place. They should've just stuck to it.
@@mekudu-man3804 BD and BS had one issue that even the older games had. It all involves first turn advantage. By the time you are high enough level you can bum rush enemies( unless you get unlucky in encounter phase). The ATB adds another variable that takes into account of the late game bumrush.
@@barrybend7189 was a good feature, then. Shouldn't have removed that.
@@mekudu-man3804 as long as they dont make it the Kingdom Hearts system I'm good.
I wasn't about to play the game anymore, but I really appreciate the hard work of the devs and that they really listen to the supporters, so I decided to give it a second chance. Staying hyped until the game or another demo releases!😇
This literally fixes all of my major issues with the demo version. Fantastic work, looking forward to the full release!
Call me crazy, but this is the game that most gets me hyped for next year 💙 though I haven't even played the other 2 games
This was the game I was looking forward to the most this year, but now that I see all of the improvements that they are making from the demo I say it is worth the wait. I was a pretty dedicated fan of the Bravely series already though.
If you can, I hope you play the first two as well, they are great! (I keep hoping, though obviously very unlikely, that they somehow get ported up for all those that missed them.)
That demo... For some reason I thought it was released sometime LAST year.
I swear 2020 has messed with the space-time continuum.
That's how every demos should work, congratulations! Listening the feedback and improve everything
so excited to hear all this looking forward to even more now
Still no option to turn off motion blur? What a shame. I hate motion blur because I like being able to see what is around me when I move.
I really hope they just let Octopath be its own thing, and stop trying to mix elements from it into Bravely.
Same. I won't be buying this crap.
Same. Like with the new/old Summoner class being a mashup of the Summoner class and H'annit the Hunter. I want the Summoner to have its own special monsters not Pokemon that I capture on the field.
@@adrii7186 Honestly, Hunter was one of my least favorite classes. It had a really good set of skills, but the collecting the monster part was obnoxious. On top of that, they had limited uses.
Octopath was inspired by Bravely which was inspired by FF
Bravely came before Octopath though
Amazing explanation and great work at showing us how things changed in accordance to feedback; really looking forward to playing it!
I'm very happy to see a lot of the things I struggled with in the demo got addressed and fixed in this feedback vid, I was able to finish the demo but I really didn't want the whole game to be like what I experienced. I greatly appreciate that our words were taken into consideration and didn't fall on deaf ears, I wish more developers did this. One thing I'll say is I did personally like it better that you could input all your party members commands before the round of battle started, like in Bravely Default & Bravely Second, instead of you only inputting on a party member's individual turn. Other than that I love all the changes made and am even more so pumped to play this 😁.
To be honest, I would've preferred the battle system be more or less identical to how it was in Bravely Default and Bravely Second, rather than this odd mix between the brave/default system and individual turn order like in Octopath Traveler. Regardless, I am excited for this game.
The Final boss of Bravely Second uses the Bravely Default 2 battle system.
We won't know how it really feels until we play a few hours, it doesn't look bad, just different.
@@barrybend7189 no? its the same like all other fights
im not. they butched off the complete old cast which many, including me, learned to love and also butchered the complete old worldbuilding.
for that.. i just hate it...
@@Link3000XD And again too bad many others don't.
I'm very sad people said they are okay with the graphics, it is easily the weakest point of the game. High-textures low commitment, it resembles the early lifespan Switch Games like Bomberman that were honestly hard to look at, or worse still; a mobile game. I do hope the final production will see some more artistic value put into the cutscenes and animation outside of combat.
Well, that was a load of stupid...
Thank you for showing love and care for your players!
I haven't heard of this game until this video but seeing how the game makers really cared about making people happy has made me want to check it out. Great job guys!
The first game was amazing. I can't wait for the second.
But... this is the third
first game was horribly written and layed out lmao. you do not know rpg's is all your comment said.
Technically this would be the third. Bravely Second is the second game and a direct sequel of the first.
@@jrapocalypse thats the thing with opinions, just because YOU think this way doesnt mean its true
What happend the bravely default end layer? Did they just forget it ever happened?
I hope the models and cutscenes look a bit better then today's trailer, they look a bit like fan Unreal Engine animations :(
Aside from that, they tackled pretty much every aspect I found negative in the demo except the voice cues when using Bravely or Default, specially when speeding up, I hope those were fixed so they aren't obnoxious
Thank you for the update! This team is awesome, I can't wait to pick up the game on release day
This feels really good, to be heard and see the changes in the game. Great job
My main gripe with the game is probably still how out-of-place the characters look, how stiff they act in cutscenes and the lip sync is just gross.
Beyond that, I hope this one can live up to the previous two.
Yeah, BF2 still feels like a 3DS game despite being on the Switch, if that makes any sense.
difficulty and controls were the notable dislikes?
yeah... but also the fact that customization was completely removed... why were enemies added to the overworld?
i preferred random encounters, because in the last TWO games, we could customize the encounter rate, we could fight as often or as little, or even not at all, if we wanted to... that is no longer an option.
not only that, but due to the changes made to how the battle system works now... it just doesn't even feel like a bravely game, anymore... everything i loved about the other two games is gone. :(
it's sad that all of those complaints were just brushed off and completely ignored... because of that, i can't buy this.
it just doesn't feel like the other two games, as far as i am concerned... it's NOT a bravely default game.
The ATB thing is what tripped me the most, but I'm unclear if you input commands for each character when their gauge is filled up or if it's just an indicator of when the command you input will be executed relatively to your other characters.
I for some reason wrongly recalled the encounter rate adjustment as a difficulty slider, but yeah now that enemies are visible on the map, the gauge doesn't make sense...
Alternatively, in games with random encounters I've always thought of enemies actually roaming around but being invisible, so I could probably live up with this one change.
I mean there’s no point to having the same formula. Just because it’s a bravely default game DOESNT mean it’s supposed to be the same as the other two entries. Honestly, just because u had these complaints didn’t mean every one else had the same complaints and I’m sad u feel this way but the truth is they did fix a lot of the stuff the MAJORITY was complaining about not the minority. All games as more entries are added change in terms of battle system, they never stay the exact same. Take for instance Pokémon and dynamitizing, final fantasy 3 vs final fantasy 10 vs final fantasy 14. Final fantasy games are known to be different with each entry, some with completely different battle systems and overhauls. But idk that’s just my opinion
im willing to give this a try now that they made it a bit more easy to tell who acts when, but i agree. what i loved about the past 2 entries was organizing an entire turn all at once, and seeing it go well, or not. with the demo, i found myself not even able to utilize the brave and default functions as well because everyone acts at different times at once and defaulting feels very awkward. im disappointed, but as a fan of the series im willing to give this a try, if not only to see the series continue and finally get a sequel to third that ive been thirsting for years
Agree, 100% agree!
I’m confused you can run away from the enemies in the overworld how is that *not* letting you chose how much you battle
It is so nice to see this I love how much they listened to the feedback :3
Thank you so much for listening to the feedback and implementing changes based on it. This is a perfect example of how demos should work for games. The fact that so many people gave feedback shows how excited and enthusiastic people are for this game, so it's very refreshing to see the game developers equally enthusiastic. Keep up the great work! We all appreciate it!
Unfortunately, I grew very tired of the battle system after a hour of play. Every battle turns into charging up your attacks and unleashing them. That was fun for Monks in FF games, but for every single job in the game? No thanks. I would love to see a return to old school FF jrpg combat in some capacity, but this isn't it for me. What a shame.
Wish Pokémon would do similar things like this. Gamefreak + Pokémon company one of the most tone deaf companies out there right now. Both sword and shield including the DLC’s were not up to snuff. With low quality graphics, weak endgame, lack of game modes, and let’s not even talk about Nat. Dex. The games were just rushed and just poor quality all together
Thank you so much! This update is more than I could have asked for!
Lol they complain that the game needs an easy mode. Damn casuals probably want afk battle mode too..
Don't be such a crybaby, you should be overjoyed and happy that more people can enjoy this game now.
You must really hate this game if you think less people should play it.
Cry more
And it was a demo too. The game tells you that it's harder than normal and they still think that it should be easy. Obviously they weren't gonna make it that hard in the official release.
@@ArceusDX There is no value in playing a game where you will always win no matter what you choose to do, especially when it's turn-based. It renders all of the game's systems irrelevant.
It's genuinely baffling to me that people choose to pick difficulty modes that render all of the design in the game null and void, and you just win by default.
@@steel5897 "You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.
You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.
It's sad you don't know the difference."
This is not good enough. I've never had a drop in anticipation as big as between seeing the announcement of BD2 and playing the demo. Such a disappointment and this did not fix it.
Why break the battle system by turning back into ATB lite when BD's biggest appeal was it's battle system? It doesn't make any sense...
Great improvement! Really happy they actually listened to the surveys. I still wish the camp menu had a dedicated info window instead of pop-up text descriptions.
That’s awesome!! Great work listening to the feedback!! I hope the game is successful!
Thank you for taking back player feedbacks seriously. I loved Bravely Default and I'm very excited to play this game. The way you and your team took player criticism and fixed issues fans had shows how deeply your team cares for this game.
my comment about the turn order made it through!
glad to see we have turn order indicators now. I think the demo had the right amount of difficulty, but not knowing the turn order was really frustrating. I prefer the fixed turn order system like the first bravely game, but we will take any improvement!!
I missed the survey to give feedback, but I’m happy with all the changes they announced
I absolutely adored the first set of games, so to see them take the feedback of players seriously and change so many things from the demo and make the game the best it can be is very heartening to see.
Being able to see who goes next was the biggest change I wanted. Thank you so much for listening to the feedback! I'm looking forward to the game even more!
I always love how they take on feedback like this. If you've never experienced a Bravely game, you're in for a treat.
I've been waiting so long for a new bravely default. I'm ecstatic about this and so glad there's finally a release date!
Thanks for doing this. I will support this game
Good on em for listening & acting on player feedback.