Andrew Taylor: "We're not a goth band, we just wear black, use skulls and pentagram imagery, Forty piece choir's, dry ice and I changed my name to Eldritch. But Goth...? Don't be ridiculous".
Saw Sisters of Mercy about 17 years ago in Philly. Worst show ever. Two guitarists,programmed drums,keyboard samples,no bass at all,and Andrew barely involved and totally disinterested in singing. Of course Patricia was long gone by then so no female vocals at all.The most recognizable song they played in their just a pinch over an hour set was Mother Russia. All of this positively smothered wall to wall with rolling wave after wave of smoke. Actually the smoke machines were the only things on stage that were working hard.Love their records but Ive seen drunk bar bands do better gigs. Really disappointing. Unlike this video on them which I thoroughly enjoyed. Cheers.
I think goth music started with the Velvet Underground, Nico and John Cale. The first Black Sabbath album also is very dark coming out a few years later in 1970.
Of course I needed to watch this one... Fun fact... He never wanted to be a Goth band. His illusion was to be more like Motörhead. That was the band he really looked up to himself. Thanks for the video... and I wish I had seen the band when Patricia played in SoM.
@@piotrmichen2873 mybe they never played, but I wrote I wished I seen that period of SoM. But... SoM was supporterband to her band Gun Club when they toured in UK. So guess that was closest live with them both. And who knows... if Andrew had paid her, mybe she had stayed (at least longer) in the band.
She only appeared in videos and mimed tv appearances for the singles She didn't play on the recordings of any of the songs she mimed to on shows like top of the pops.
Patricia Morrison was used as a face, for aesthetic reason, but she didn’t write or even play on their recordings. He writes everything and definitely is irreplaceable; he is and was the Sisters of Mercy after 1985 (when Gary Marx, then Craig Adams and Wayne Hussey left). He’s not gonna replace himself as vocalist, so your comments regarding that are way off the mark. Patricia Morrison is incredibly overrated; she barely contributed to the Gun Club either and seems to have got by solely on her look. Also, there’s no such thing as a “condensed deep dive.” That’s an oxymoron.
Long time SOM fan and I still have my vinyl that I bought in the 80s. Good video but I can't believe you avoiding mentioning First and Last and Always and Wayne and Craig. Many hardcore SOM fans hate the Mission, I guess, but the SOM in 1985 was the best version of the band when it was actually a band. With all due respect, Pat's talents and contributions were limited and you admitted that she was basically backing vocals and eye candy, an opinion shared by Andrew. She had musical talent to be sure but nowhere close to Wayne Hussey who played 6 and 12 string guitars and wrote quite a bit of the music. Going to see the new version of SOM Oct. 5th and looking forward to it
Never meet Andrew a very cold individual Patricia is Lovely and still Hates him!!! The Sisters Are still playing but a total shadow of their former selves. Wether they are Goth is debatable but they certainly had the look and the sound but of course he will always deny that very informative video you certainly did your research Wayne, Craig and Gary Marx were as big a part of the band as Andrew. Love the Music Hate The bloke has been Nothing but rude to the entire Sisters Audience.He almost got bottled off the stage last time I saw them. Been following them over 30 years! They are certainly to say divide opinions. But I think personally he likes that. Surprised no documentary has ever been made about because they certainly have a very interesting History. 🤔
Loved this deep dive and thank you. The only thing I'd disagree with is that you say every singer is replaceable. The thing about Andrew is that he is SO unique that he's pretty sure as am I, that he actually isn't replaceable. I do believe however that he's a narcissist and geenerally not a nice person to work with, I've just always felt that about him.
Isn't goth, but influenced a lot of goth bands...there are some songs that goths can not do, because they are more gothic songs than the gothic bands, LIGHTS, ALICE, MARIAN, VALENTINE, ANACONDA, ETC....are really strange songs, true gothic bands are for me, BAUHAUS, A FOREST BY CURE, CLAN OF XYMOX, AND THE BEST OF THE BEST......FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM.
I want to say I picked up on them in 85 and though they were cool--but didn't really start to get into their sound until Floodland--circa 87. It wasn't really the "Goth" sound I was attracted to as much as the sort of serious undertone on top of a dance groove, but I just took it for granted they were considered Goth. The thing is folks inspiration for their self expression comes from every direction and is not always obvious. I mean Zeppelin drew inspiration from Near East music; Lemmy loved ABBA; Prince was into New Wave; James Brown got parts of his act from watching wrestling.
Without the music of artists and bands like Leonard Cohen, The Doors, David Bowie, Suicide, Gary Glitter, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Iggy Pop & The Stooges, Lou Reed & The Velvet Underground, Hawkwind, Motorhead, Alice Cooper Band, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix, Pere Ubu, Joy Division, The Fall, The Psychedelic Furs,...would not exist The Sisters Of Mercy
Sisters of Mercy isn't a goth band (a band related to goth subculture), it isn't even a gothic rock band (which is something totally else). Sisters of Mercy is "a rock'n'roll band. And a pop band. And an industrial groove machine. They are intellectual love gods. They make records, sometimes. They play concerts, sometimes" (a quote from A. Eldritch - Sisters's homepage). That's why they stopped playing gigs on M'era Luna for some time, and that's why their homepage is orange! The Sisters of Mercy fans don't wear funny clothes, don't like castles, Middle Ages, heroes of Tolkien's novels and NeverEnding Story...
You never met goths when u think the last bit doesnt apply to them. Especially Castle's. I will never get why the "goth" label is that hated. Goths are at their core dark romantics in the art and literature sense, both being featured as interests. They dress inspired by punk fashion but also renaissance elements. They are artsy people in general, well read and art nerds. As in goth music, there isn't one sound. Let alone looking at what you mentioned, the Sisters, the Cure, Joy Division, Bauhaus, the Banshees, the pillars, the foundation of the early post punk scene that turned goth. All bands are different, they don't have one sound, you can tell who is who.
Haha. Perfect question. Anything, anything to not be goth. If memory serves, in the Black Planet video, they're under a cloudless sky, pure sun, all dressed in black. #justkpopthings@@JhonNye96
Andrew Taylor: "We're not a goth band, we just wear black, use skulls and pentagram imagery, Forty piece choir's, dry ice and I changed my name to Eldritch. But Goth...? Don't be ridiculous".
Saw Sisters of Mercy about 17 years ago in Philly. Worst show ever. Two guitarists,programmed drums,keyboard samples,no bass at all,and Andrew barely involved and totally disinterested in singing. Of course Patricia was long gone by then so no female vocals at all.The most recognizable song they played in their just a pinch over an hour set was Mother Russia. All of this positively smothered wall to wall with rolling wave after wave of smoke. Actually the smoke machines were the only things on stage that were working hard.Love their records but Ive seen drunk bar bands do better gigs. Really disappointing. Unlike this video on them which I thoroughly enjoyed. Cheers.
I think goth music started with the Velvet Underground, Nico and John Cale. The first Black Sabbath album also is very dark coming out a few years later in 1970.
Of course I needed to watch this one...
Fun fact...
He never wanted to be a Goth band. His illusion was to be more like Motörhead. That was the band he really looked up to himself.
Thanks for the video... and I wish I had seen the band when Patricia played in SoM.
they never played live together
@@piotrmichen2873 mybe they never played, but I wrote I wished I seen that period of SoM.
But...
SoM was supporterband to her band Gun Club when they toured in UK. So guess that was closest live with them both.
And who knows... if Andrew had paid her, mybe she had stayed (at least longer) in the band.
saw both many times live, noone can compare to Lemmy
She only appeared in videos and mimed tv appearances for the singles She didn't play on the recordings of any of the songs she mimed to on shows like top of the pops.
Patricia's voice was never used on any of the recordings.
Original goth here, misty start to the movement but first has and always will be Bela lugosi’s dead - bauhaus
Bugs me when folks who weren't even there think they know everything about the scene, don't you agree?
Patricia Morrison was used as a face, for aesthetic reason, but she didn’t write or even play on their recordings. He writes everything and definitely is irreplaceable; he is and was the Sisters of Mercy after 1985 (when Gary Marx, then Craig Adams and Wayne Hussey left). He’s not gonna replace himself as vocalist, so your comments regarding that are way off the mark. Patricia Morrison is incredibly overrated; she barely contributed to the Gun Club either and seems to have got by solely on her look. Also, there’s no such thing as a “condensed deep dive.” That’s an oxymoron.
Preach.
Long time SOM fan and I still have my vinyl that I bought in the 80s. Good video but I can't believe you avoiding mentioning First and Last and Always and Wayne and Craig. Many hardcore SOM fans hate the Mission, I guess, but the SOM in 1985 was the best version of the band when it was actually a band. With all due respect, Pat's talents and contributions were limited and you admitted that she was basically backing vocals and eye candy, an opinion shared by Andrew. She had musical talent to be sure but nowhere close to Wayne Hussey who played 6 and 12 string guitars and wrote quite a bit of the music. Going to see the new version of SOM Oct. 5th and looking forward to it
I’m going to see them on September 24th and I can’t be more excited!
NC? I was there, too!
@@jeremychapman3435 yeah! I had sooo much fun 🖤
unfortunately, Eldridge is an asshole, but no one can replace him
The Sisters created their own genre, the membership of which is still one.
Never meet Andrew a very cold individual Patricia is Lovely and still Hates him!!! The Sisters Are still playing but a total shadow of their former selves. Wether they are Goth is debatable but they certainly had the look and the sound but of course he will always deny that very informative video you certainly did your research Wayne, Craig and Gary Marx were as big a part of the band as Andrew. Love the Music Hate The bloke has been Nothing but rude to the entire Sisters Audience.He almost got bottled off the stage last time I saw them.
Been following them over 30 years! They are certainly to say divide opinions. But I think personally he likes that. Surprised no documentary has ever been made about because they certainly have a very interesting History. 🤔
The Sisters is Andrew and Dr Avalanche. No one else. Lawyers will agree with that.
Loved this deep dive and thank you. The only thing I'd disagree with is that you say every singer is replaceable. The thing about Andrew is that he is SO unique that he's pretty sure as am I, that he actually isn't replaceable. I do believe however that he's a narcissist and geenerally not a nice person to work with, I've just always felt that about him.
Isn't goth, but influenced a lot of goth bands...there are some songs that goths can not do, because they are more gothic songs than the gothic bands, LIGHTS, ALICE, MARIAN, VALENTINE, ANACONDA, ETC....are really strange songs, true gothic bands are for me, BAUHAUS, A FOREST BY CURE, CLAN OF XYMOX, AND THE BEST OF THE BEST......FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM.
I was there. They were Goth!
I want to say I picked up on them in 85 and though they were cool--but didn't really start to get into their sound until Floodland--circa 87. It wasn't really the "Goth" sound I was attracted to as much as the sort of serious undertone on top of a dance groove, but I just took it for granted they were considered Goth. The thing is folks inspiration for their self expression comes from every direction and is not always obvious. I mean Zeppelin drew inspiration from Near East music; Lemmy loved ABBA; Prince was into New Wave; James Brown got parts of his act from watching wrestling.
BEATE AND SIMONE
Sisters, amazing live trust me
The sisters of mercy. No goths allowed.
Without the music of artists and bands like Leonard Cohen, The Doors, David Bowie, Suicide, Gary Glitter, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Iggy Pop & The Stooges, Lou Reed & The Velvet Underground, Hawkwind, Motorhead, Alice Cooper Band, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Jimi Hendrix, Pere Ubu, Joy Division, The Fall, The Psychedelic Furs,...would not exist The Sisters Of Mercy
So many awesome bands on that Melody Maker cover! 🤯
Thank you!
'The Andrew William Harvey Taylor Band' was the name before Gary Marx (Mark Pearman) insisted on the 'Sisters Of mercy' in 1984.....
(not true lol)
Great content, thanks!
Andrew Eldritch was an ego tripper.
Very difficult for Patricia Morrison to work with
I see them as political documentary perspective narratives.
it was totally the 80s that started it
My fav band 🖤
Vey interesting
Sisters of Mercy isn't a goth band (a band related to goth subculture), it isn't even a gothic rock band (which is something totally else). Sisters of Mercy is "a rock'n'roll band. And a pop band. And an industrial groove machine. They are intellectual love gods. They make records, sometimes. They play concerts, sometimes" (a quote from A. Eldritch - Sisters's homepage). That's why they stopped playing gigs on M'era Luna for some time, and that's why their homepage is orange! The Sisters of Mercy fans don't wear funny clothes, don't like castles, Middle Ages, heroes of Tolkien's novels and NeverEnding Story...
Andy, is that you?
You never met goths when u think the last bit doesnt apply to them. Especially Castle's. I will never get why the "goth" label is that hated. Goths are at their core dark romantics in the art and literature sense, both being featured as interests. They dress inspired by punk fashion but also renaissance elements. They are artsy people in general, well read and art nerds. As in goth music, there isn't one sound. Let alone looking at what you mentioned, the Sisters, the Cure, Joy Division, Bauhaus, the Banshees, the pillars, the foundation of the early post punk scene that turned goth. All bands are different, they don't have one sound, you can tell who is who.
@@corinnae.7877I'm fully leaning into the label myself. 😊
Haha. Perfect question. Anything, anything to not be goth. If memory serves, in the Black Planet video, they're under a cloudless sky, pure sun, all dressed in black. #justkpopthings@@JhonNye96
Lol
great report..
First and Last and Always is the greatest album of all time in my opinion. The bass lines are just phenomenal. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
you ruined that comment...
@@ef7480 no they didn't. is it really that crazy to oppose genocide?
free palestine indeed!!!
Free palestine from hamas..?
SISTERS OF MERCY ARE NOT GOTH!