Kill Team Gallowfall Hearthkyn Salvager Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
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0:00 Intro
4:55 Core Info
11:39 Tactics
16:48 Datasheets
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Great looking team, kinda gutted they aren't 3+ BS though. I would have preferred a 8-9 model team, something similar to Corsairs.
On the topic of Bolter versus Ion: According to KTCalc, Ceaseless does slightly more damage against 5+ and 6+ save targets. But thanks to the Grudge tokens, P1 will do better since you'll be able to get guaranteed AP1. In general, more attacks/hits are better than more crits in Kill Team, but when you can guarantee AP1 on a normal ranged weapon shot thanks to Grudge, the Ion Blaster becomes better in every scenario I tested (kommandos, breachers, intercession, legionaries). And even without Grudge tokens, the Ion Blaster does better against 3+ save targets consistently. To me, this means the Ion Blaster is the go-to choice. Magnetizing would be a good idea I think, a lot of work, but it's the optimal choice. Especially for the leader and the gunners.
I still haven't run the math on the Gunner's weapon options, but from a cursory glance I'd say the magna rail rifle is better than it appears when you factor in Grudge. I know Heavy is annoying, but with the Lugger supporting a gunner you can set up a switch to the rail rifle, and then put a free grudge token on the target with the leader. That means at least 1 guaranteed crit, maybe more, and with 2 crits going through that is a dead Intercessor, and 1 hit and a crit is a dead Legionary. This scenario will be hard to set up consistently on Into The Dark, but on a more open board this will be much more feasible. The plasma beamer and missile launcher seem more useful against softer targets, though. I'll need to do the math and see how it looks, but for now my general rule is that: anything that benefits more from having a crit is always going to be a good choice since you can get them for free with Grudge tokens.
For the melee weapon on the Theyn? This one was a surprise. I only tested this on an Assault Intercessor, but wow. Melee... don't do it. It's not worth it. Against softer targets, maybe go for it? But probably not. The most surprising thing here is that the Axe does just slightly more damage on average, especially with a grudge token, whereas the extra free crit doesn't do that much for the plasma sword by comparison. It means that the Axe is better for offense and the Sword is better for Defense. So I'd say against melee heavy teams or elite teams, take the sword. The more crits you roll and/or guarantee on defense the more likely your Theyn is to survive. Against otherwise soft teams with bad melee, take the Axe for it's consistency. But ultimately, the difference in the two is less than you might think on first glance. Ideally your Theyn never gets into melee. Ever. And because of the free Grudge tokens the Theyn provides you should always work to keep them alive. That 4+ invul save item seems mandatory for that reason--not like you wouldn't take it since you have WAY more equipment points than you need.
In conclusion: Sword for Theyn + Ion Blasters for everyone. Stuff that benefits from having extra crits are very good on this team thanks to Grudge. Ion Blasters are very good here for this reason. It's probably worthwhile to magnetize for some weapon options, at least for the gunners and the Theyn. The Sword is probably your choice because keeping him alive is your best bet. The plasma pistol is kinda mid when you guarantee crits and free AP1 on ion blasters anyway, and you want him as far from enemies as possible and alive for as long as possible, so a long ranged gun is always better.
Never built kyn but I figured (if I get the team) build blasters bc they look cool and say they're funny looking bolters if I need to swap, sounds like magnets for the gunners would be smart, and leader maybe. I'd probably just build him to look cool, and if my opponent is a stickler for wysiwyg just place him next to the lugger and pay the 1ap tax to rearm the leader to the match up specific loadout.
I was kinda hoping more wounds (like 10/11) on 7-8 models shooting at 3+ with a 3+ save, and being a pseudo elite team. Still interested for sure but not as attention grabbing to me as some of the other teams. They've been placed firmly in the "maybe one day" pile with wyrmblade and admech.
@@XDfunnyguy yeah 7/8 wounds just feels *wrong*. At least 8 wounds base would have been nice. 8/9 seems more appropriate, but I hesitate to ask for that sort of buff until we see how this team shakes out after a few months. Grudge has the potential to be really strong and the team has a lot of juicy combos that could be more effective than they seem on paper.
Looking forward to getting Votann , these models look good , let's hope we can actually buy them when released this time.
Good stuff, lots of interesting stuff here. Look forward to playing them
Circle Hello! I’d recommend posting the battle report on only one channel, that way you don’t split the views & upset The Algorithm.
I’m glad I have an extra sprue of Hearthkyn Warriors that I bought ages ago when I thought they’d get the WD treatment after their army released (silly me).
The Theyn's weapon setup shows that they should've done some sort of trade off for pistols rather than them just being worse. Maybe one less shot (in addition to range) but free shoot actions or something along those lines.
W8, did you not put gunners profiles here or am i missing something?
Now that KT has flying confirmation, Cassius KT should be a viable option for KT, thoughts?
The team looks really cool and I've really been looking forward to playing them in KT, but the statlines are real weird. I would've preferred like 8 or 9 operatives with like 9 wounds, 4+ saves, and BS 3+, but idk! Maybe GW did a lot of testing and ran into some balance problems.
I wonder if re-equip can be used to re-stock limited weapon for grenadier - it says re-select, not select different. And if it is selected again, it wouldn't be already used once in the battle (because it would be technically different weapon). Also, it would be within the theme, that there is room for more blast charges in this huge backpack.
20:00 Biggest move if you ignore the Grot's grapple and Gheistskull's boost, both unlimited distance.
Sooooo do the votan come with all helmets? I want to use extra GSC bits to spice them up and put some transfers on them and also cut a few blast holes on the visors to reveal 2 or 3 gsc faces.
17:00 usually, you have to take the pistol if you take the big melee weapon. For the Theyn, does it say you can take one of the rifles if you take gauntlets, and if you take the axe or sword you have to choose a pistol?
Oh No I just saw the Roster page on "Can You Roll a Crit?"'s video, and its just laziness, normally it would be for a meaningful trade-off that you take the weaker ranged weapon, like Assault Intercessor Sergeant where you get plasma pistol if you take chainsword, or heavy bolt pistol if you take power sword.
So can you take any melee weapon with any ranged weapon? Sorry I think I’m missing the point here
When you downgrade a hit from a crit to normal, with any ability that lets you do that, does that prevent any mortal wounds that would have caused, or does it take place after?
Depends on the timing. Crit rules like mortal are in the roll attack dice step. Hardy is in roll defense dice step. So the mortals are already done. And the ploy specifically calls out critical rules are unaffected.
@@villainvoice5143 Oh okay, so its really just to try to make it easier to save against shots that don't do mortal wounds, so instead of needing a 6 to save, you just need 3+, as long as there isn't too many hits or too much armor piercing.
I think you got a small infection problem there buddy
Its fine, medic cleared them.
Why have they given this model FLY when it comes with a terrain taht can't fly on ITD. I mean sure it'll be handy in open board, just seems strange to introduce it in ITD.
in ITD, you can still use fly to ignore traverse and to pass through other models, including hostiles.
They do look kinda spicy
Wheres the narrative stuff ? Rare equipement when?
They will get shot off the board super quick on open maps! :(
Seems like a pretty balanced team…