White Cloud Mountain Minnows are the new guppies
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2020
- White Clouds have long been overlooked as a source for breeding new fish varieties. In this video, I go over the history of this old hobby favorite, how to keep, breed, and raise them, and how to identify traits to provide the foundation for new strains, like guppy breeders did long ago. To save the eggs of gold White Clouds, it helps to have a breeder box, which I described in my earlier video, at • Building a breeder box... .
I just have to leave one more comment. In my humble estimation, this is by far the best and most educationally dense videos on the white cloud that exists. It deserves many more views and I suspect it will gain momentum
Thank you so much! I’m glad you liked it.
I lived and worked in Guangzhou, China for a number of years and visited the Bayun Mountain. Unfortunately, the steams were completely devoid of all aquatic life due to pollution! There have however been two locations on the island of Hainan just of the southern coast of China. Their genetics as far as I’m aware have not been compared with the original strain found by Tan…
I’ve been working with the white clouds for about a year now. I’m attempting to keep the bright blue line that the young have into the adults. I’ve gotten it to the point where it stay longer and I feel with a few more years I’ll be able to have the adults with the blue line still intact.
Nuts For guppies Let me know how it works out. I tried doing that and ended up giving up. I think that as long as they have the bright blue, they can’t breed. I’m not 100% sure, though, and I hope I’m wrong. They would be absolutely beautiful if they kept that blue band.
Iknow someone who was trying to do the same .
Can you make a video of it?
i am after a red line
how is your line going? I see it's been a year
Just starting my white cloud breeding project thanks for the video ❤
In shrimp I feel the Malawa Shrimp should get the same recognition. Over time their bland or colorless bodies transform to gold-speckled morphs, red-banded morph, or even a rusty-red color all over. However, I can't seem to isolate the individual color morphs like with White Mountain Clouds.
Bob, I am sending as many white cloud enthusiasts your way as possible as I am one of them who gained much from this very video. You have inspired me and I thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤️ 👍🏻
Thank you again.
Nice.👍 they are my favourite fish of all time . I've just crossed a male longfin to a golden female shortfin . The fry are normal colour but with a slight golden tint to them I'm going to breed the female fry back to there father . 👍 white cloud dynasty is a great channel he also runs a Facebook group called white cloud mountain minnows .👍✌
love the video!
WhiteCloud Dynasty From you, that means a lot. Thank you!
Really informative video, thanks. I love white clouds, they're so pretty and interesting to watch and I don't know why they're not more popular (I have a theory it might be because they're so cheap to buy and elitists turn their noses up, lol). I'd love to keep some of my own but I'm stuck on what tankmates would be best/how to incorporate them in my main tank with all my favourites (corydoras and other bottom dwellers). I don't want to do a species only tank as I'm so short on space (tiny British house problems!).
They should do fine with your cories. Both like it cool and both like soft, acidic water. And they don’t need much space. A ten gallon tank will accommodate a small group of them.
such gorgeous little fish
Excelente information I ve never see such detaliled explanation, best facundo from Argentina
Muchisimas Gracias!
Nice looking white cloud mountain minnows
Hi Sony, just stumbled into your video & really enjoyed your information. Had the wild type years ago. I've been researching small coldwater fish & decided I'm going to try Gold WC's. My goal is to start small & see if I can improve the gold coloration.
I'm switching from guppies to white clouds hope to learn more from you and your videos.
Thank you for posting, a very interesting video! Love my WCMM's :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Bob. Nice species profile! And I love your fishroom! Thank you for sharing!👍🌿🐟🌱🙏
Mary Paige Flynn Thank You!
Just wanted to say this was a very easy and relaxing video to watch, while being highly informative at the same time! Instantly got me to sub
Thank you. I hope it was helpful.
Loved the video Bob. I still have some of the WCMMs I got from you at a JRAS auction several years ago. Thanks for sharing.
Stephen Ruiz Thanks, Stephen. Nice to hear from you. I hope to get back down there after the Pandemic. I especially miss the pre-meeting dinners at 360 Pizzeria.
What a pleasure to find this channel! So nice to hear from a truly knowledgeable hobbyist who also knows how to edit and make interesting videos.
Thanks very much. That was very nice of you. I’m glad you like the videos.
Great video my friend! I came back to watch it again 😁 Thank you for sharing so much knowledge on these incredible fish!
I really enjoy learning and I appreciate the time that you took in making this! I hope you have a wonderful day! 🌿🐟🌱🙏
Thanks again, Mary Paige. I'm glad you liked it. They are one of my all time favorite fish, so the video almost made itself.
Breadth of information. very impressed with your efforts to selectively breed the white cloud. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks very much. Glad you liked the video.
Your video was a treat. Thanks!
Sure. Thanks for stopping by. Good luck with the white clouds.
Thanks for the great video! I inherited a batch of White Clouds last year after some were mixed in with rosy cheeked minnows that I bought to control mosquitos in my pond. By the end of summer, I loved seeing all the babies but quickly realized they weren't rosy fry! I brought all of them inside for the winter and raised another batch this summer. I'm setting up a spawning tank now to try breeding them indoors this winter. Lots of good advice in your video!
Thanks! Glad you had good luck with them. They should do well for you indoors, too. The rosy reds are cool, but they need a cave to breed-a flowerpot on its side will do.
Thank you. I just got into these fish. Didn’t like them till I got some in my tank. I definitely see the potential you are talking about.
Thank you!
I just got some fish from Blong and look forward to working with them. Thanks for the great info!
Thank you! Good luck with Blong’s fish.
Excellent video! You’re set to become the Ken Burns of fish breeding. Never worked with white clouds before... now very interested!
Fish Folk Thanks. That’s very nice of you to say that. They are a great species to work with. I can’t recommend them highly enough.
yeah these are great i do find keepers in the UK become a little lazy with them but i have kept them in ponds too
thank you for your work
Thanks very much for watching. I hope you found it helpful.
Thank you for this video, my white clouds have been showing breeding signs for a few days and this was a big help
Good luck with them!
@@sonnysfishroom3241 thank you 😊
Loved this video great info and I’m gonna start my own line. I’ve successfully bread out hmpks bettas and now after getting a few fry from my main white cloud tank I’m gonna work with the best pair and try for new traits later on. The orange tipped looked fantastic and your own work on the lf yellow in really outstanding good job! And white cloud dynasty is also such a good white cloud breeder this fish Forsure needs good traits inforced
Excellent! They’re great fish, aren’t they?
Great video , Mr. Cowherd is local to me. Great person and great breeder. I several types of fish from him. Great information!
Frank is my role model. Thanks for stopping by.
Great video. I’m looking to start breeding mine. I have a few normal colored long fin mashed and quite a few golden white clouds with normal fins. Now that I know I have to breed them back I will keep working at it. They are such fun fish.
Thanks for stopping by. Good luck with your fish.
Very informative and interesting video. I'm liking the White Cloud Mountain Minnows too. Subscribed today. 👍
Thanks very much. Glad to have you aboard.
@@sonnysfishroom3241 you're welcome.
Thank you for this video!
Thanks for stopping by and saying hello. I hope you find it helpful.
Great video!! Very informative! You got yourself a new subscriber! I really like white clouds! I've mixed them with some shrimp in the past. I think I may have to get some more!!
Thanks again. They are a great fish!
Very interesting. I am getting White Clouds tomorrow.
I admit I may be biased, but excellent choice. Glad you liked the video.
Great video
Victor Fox Thank you!
Very cool!!!
CharleysAquaticNook Thanks!
Thanks for the info. I have goldfish, medaka, fathead rosy minnows, and weather loaches. Would love to add some White Clouds!
I’ve got rosy reds and white clouds and have been on the lookout for Melaka for a long time. Glad you liked the video.
I haven't had one of these since I was a kid... over 40 years ago! I plan to set up some or at least one, big tub this summer. I've become aware that there have been no Asian fish imports in two years so as hobbyists, we are responsible for keeping the hobby going! I had a fish room but packed it up about 4 or 5 years ago, little did I know what was going to happen.
Good luck with the summer tub. Don’t let them get too warm-temperatures above 80F are tough on them.
Very interesting , I keep a few in tubs outdoors here in the UK , the adults even survive with ice on the top so a very low temperure , they appear " happier " with a decent current flow so the tubs have small
filters . As per Rachel O Leary they seem to breed better outdoors . Cheers
Thanks for sharing your observations. I don’t doubt that they do well outdoors. I don’t keep mine outside though, as our hot summers might be too much for them, and then there are the neighborhood raccoons, which previously have eliminated all of my yard fish.
i just started a nice group of white clouds. I may breed them out at some point. really underrated fish.
Yes, great fish! Thanks for watching.
Very interesting and informative video. Thank you. I have two colonies of WCMM. One golden colony and one wild type. I am currently conditioning them and then I will likely use spawning mops
Mountain Goldfish Thank you! I’ve never used mops-only java moss and my breeder box. Could you let me know how it goes?
Yes will do. I plan to move the mops out into a fry tank and leave the parents in the tank and replace the mop with a fresh on in the hopes of them giving me a consistent supply. Obviously things never go to plan though! 😂
Mountain Goldfish well, that’s been my strategy for Fundulopanchax scheeli. Not as good as picking mops, but I keep the line going while I continue to tinker with the cyprinids. Good luck with it!
I really found your video interesting l❤
Thank you. I hope you find it helpful.
Brilliant video
Thanks very much. I’m glad you liked it and hope you found it helpful.
@@sonnysfishroom3241 I’ve being preaching this for years now ever since I started breeding long red fin golden minnow
@@declana5851 Glad to hear there are other people working with these.
There display behavior is fantastic, especially when the males are competing. Best small, starter fish around.
Thanks again for watching.
Could you make a video about breeding in now stock to your line and outbreeding? What they are, and how they're different in what they do?
I just got me some wcm & being they are young & small
their starting to show some colors with the red fins, I have
4 of them in a 75 gal with a small colony of rainbow shiners.
I have talked to white cloud Dynasty about them that's
what got me thinking about getting some to try out &
now in a few months I'm getting a 65 gal tank to start
them in & see how they do with the what they like.
Time to start the research of what makes them thrive.
Good luck!
I got 20 5 years ago , I still have 4 left . They are old but still alive and doing well . They don't need a heater at all . I need to get me some more .
They are a great fish, aren’t they?
Hey,love your Channel.I’m starting a 40 Gal Stock Tub,want to use distilled water,and run it 2 weeks before adding White Clouds.I’m looking for them,most stores are out of stock.
Thank you. I’m glad to hear that. You might add a little tap water to your distilled water-five or ten gallons, maybe-to keep the water from getting too acidic and killing them. I don’t know what their minimum pH tolerance is, but it’s probably not good when it drops into the fives or fours.
I think mine are too old to breed now, they haven't given fry in the community planted or a breeder setup. Great video, though!!
The best video of white cloud mountain minnows on the web so far.
Thank you for that.
I have a question.
What should I expect from crossing male golden × female wild type ?
Odysseas Froilan Thanks very much. I’m glad you think so. From the cross you describe, you could expect all the fry to look like the wild type. Fry would carry one gold gene and one wild type gene. If you cross these fish together, you would expect 25% gold fry and 75% wild type, assuming eggs/fry don’t get eaten.
@@sonnysfishroom3241 I have it clear now. Thank you very much. I used to breed gouldian finches so from what I understand it works the same way as the blue mutation there.
Keep it up. We are looking forward for more videos. Maybe it would be a good idea to make one explaining how the genetics work on WCMMs and what offspring we should expect from every possible cross.
I’ve actually been keeping gold white clouds above 80 for years the tank stays about 79-81 during the summer
Great video! Do you have any updates on your LF White Clouds? I’ve been wanting to get some but can’t seem to find any. Aloha 🤙🏽
Really good video with great information. I just bought a strain of white clouds from of all places Petco of pink bodied fish wih white tipped fins and BLUE eyes. Do you know about this strain?
I haven’t heard of pink bodied white clouds. Good luck with them.
I just started up my old defunct goldfish pond this year. I decided to go with minnows cause they're new to me. I have white cloud, rosy reds and mosquito fish. Fry are starting to pop out all over and I'm hopin some are rosies or white clouds, we'll see. White clouds are the only one that act like the care guides say and I hope they survive winter we'll see I have my doubts.
Good luck! Did you know that rosy reds are cave spawners? They would benefit from an over turned flower pot or two or a crevice under rocks. Males tend the eggs until they hatch.
Where I live the temperature reaches 30°C or more. How can I keep them in a 40 litre aquarium and what kind of filtration do I need
Great video. We need more “in depth” informational videos like this
Thanks for your comment and thanks for watching.
Just getting into white clouds myself.
Welcome to the club.
i see you have some long fins with a different order of red and yellow areas in dorsal
I must have great we'll water. as I only started with two. to see if they will survive. and so far they are coloring up beautifully. and are gorgeous. I'll be getting more in my 10 gallon aquarium. and going from there. I absolutely love them.
I’m glad to hear they’re doing well for you,
Thank you so much I learned a lot from your video on here. I really appreciate it.
@@kasieleow1200 Thank you again. They are a great, under appreciated fish. I hope you have good luck with them.
Thank you so much. They are so beautiful. I wonder why most people don't get them as much as they should.
I have often wondered that. Maybe because of a lot of other, more flashy, species?
Would WCMM be ok in a wildlife pond? Would they potentially eat frogspawn and tadpoles?
I keep golden and white breeds in room temperature of 30 degree Celsius in malaysia, and they are doing fine
My guess is your population may be genetically adapted to the heat. My basement is a lot cooler. Years ago, when I kept them in a heated tank at 80F, they got fungal infections.
Thank you for this informative video! Is breeding Tanichthys micagemmae similar to regular WCMMM’s?
Yes. The same methods work for both species.
Thanks you so much! This video makes me want to buy some now.
I've got a group of golds that layed and hatched without issue. I was surprised to see them actually go near the fry, and then turn away once they got too close. Haven't gotten to intentional breeding triggers myself.
Hunter That has not been my experience. My there’s a difference in fry predation between strains. Seems like yours would be a good one to hold on to.
@@sonnysfishroom3241 Who knows, mine are just petco fish I happened to get cause no one in the area carries them.
This is awesome! I will now try and make a kinda gold dust white cloud like the guppy. I notice on some of my white clouds there is gray scales on the bottom but not on the top. I will try and line breed them! Thanks!
What size of tank would you recommend for a pair or small group of white clouds?
A five gallon would do well for a pair, with room left over. I sometimes breed a pair in a 2 1/2 gallon. For a small group, a ten gallon would be perfect. Keep up with water changes.
Just picked up a free 30 gallon tank how many white clouds do you recommend? Do you recommend any takemates or should I just do straight white clouds?
You could probably do ok with 15 or 20 white clouds. Small barbs or minnows would do OK with them, or a few cories.
That`s the funniest thing I heard lately - new guppy LOL
Interesting. I have a group of fry that are now adults (50+) and I've noticed that the lateral line on some are a gold color and some are purple. Have you heard of this before? And would purple be a desired color? Thanks.
I haven’t noticed that. But If you like a purple lateral line, you should go for it. I’m sure some other people will like it too. Thanks for stopping by.
Do they school directionally like black neons do for example, when there's bigger fish around?
I don’t know for sure. They might, if they’ve scared. Mine only form loose aggregations, as the biggest fish I keep them with are rosy and gold barbs.
Hi Sonny i have a question for you. Can you tell me what is a hifin White Cloud Minnow. Is it a cross between a longfin fish and a short fin fish?
Hi Andre. Sorry, but I am not familiar with high fin white clouds.
Hi were can I buy some fish ?
I love the long finned wild type, so you sell your fish?
No, sorry, I don’t. But I think White Clod Dynasty sells his fish. Thank you for watching.
I have just bought 4 white clouds and one looks lumpy and fat so presumably pregnant.
I am used to platy fish, do I need to put her in a birthing box, will she lay eggs or live fry?
Thank you
They are egg layers that like to spawn in plants.
Can i breed golden white clouds with normal white clouds?
Yes. It’s in the video.
I'm planning on keeping white clouds on a indoor 100L (25 gallon) pond filled with perennial and floating plants. I plan on just leaving them there for months and let them multiply, but I saw that they eat their young. Do you think lots of roots and floating plants will help them breeding and keeping the eggs/fry alive?
If you start with just one pair, they will probably multiply. I suspect-but can’t prove-that they won’t eat their own young, but will eat the young of other white clouds. They other thing that I think will improve fry survival is lots and lots of cover. Really dense plants, from top to bottom-including a thick carpet of floating plants. Watch my latest video on setting out summer tubs to see what I mean. Good luck.
@@sonnysfishroom3241 thanks for the answer! I've been using water hyacinth because of it's thick root system for my guppy pond, and they've been breeding readily. I've never bred non-livebearing fish before (besides the occasional ember tetra fry that show up in my aquarium), and was wondering if the same method would work. I'll watch your other videos once I get home.
@@arthurheine5631 water hyacinth is the right idea. It likes hard water, though, and it may have problems in the soft water that white clouds need to breed.
I have one white cloud mountain, who ate too much tonight. She’s swimming tilting to one side. I’m very worried about her, is there anything I can do now😢
It’s very hard to say. I’m not a veterinarian, and fish disease and disorders are very hard to diagnose. Plus, I haven’t seen the fish. From your description, my hunch is it’s not related to overeating-maybe it’s a swim bladder issue. I hope it resolves favorably.
Hi I’ve looked at several videos of white cloud minnows and I still can’t figure out which ones are male and female I have a group of 8! Can you explain it?
Yes: females are a little rounder in the abdomen than the males. Their dorsal fins are a little smaller, too. Males display for each other, females don’t. If you’re on Facebook, check out the White Cloud Dynasty page. Someone will be able to post a photo for you.
I bred a few golden white clouds outside in a small water garden but then a snake got some of them. Their color gets much brighter out in the sunlight. Have you tried breeding them outside yet?
Yes. I put some out the year before last, when the fish room was renovated. They did very well.
I think you meant GH and KH about 2-3 instead of 20-30. At 4:09 . Rainwater mix of such hardness can be achieved only by mixing with liquid rock.
1prairiedog I checked the test strip again. The color match was mid way between the first color on the container, 0 and the next one up, 30 and 40, for GH and KH, respectively. So I estimated to 20-30. I’ll look into other kinds of tests for GH and KH. I would expect my rainwater to have lots of particulates in it though, since I’m in a heavily populated area.
i need to know more about albino i have 2
Do you mean the gold morph? I talk about them in the video. I am not familiar with albino white clouds.
My white cloud mountain minnows wont eat anything i give them :( they just spit it out. And you can tell they are starving because they are constantly darting around when they see my hand. They wont eat flakes, pellets or fake blood worms (betta food).
It’s hard to know. They are a tough fish that usually don’t get sick. You might try a dewormer, like levamisole. Without a fish vet to examine them, it’s just guesswork at this point.
I need help , ugh I have a platinum white cloud via breeding.
Really? That sounds like it could be very interesting. I’ve never seen that. Good luck with the fish.
have you tried levamisole for parasites? Most disease begin in fish becouse of parasites or bacteria. I had the same disease as you in one of my tanks and levamisole was the only thing that worked.
Yeah-it was in one of the commercial medicines I treated the rosy reds with. That was before the powerhead and prefilter, though, so they may have reinfected themselves. The other thing-it’s possible that whatever they had needed to be treated internally, and adding dewormer to the water column wasn’t enough.
I have a video I link your channel on. It’s sites you as an inspiration for my White cloud breeding project. My hope is to let your video inspire others as it inspired me. I will remove it immediately if that’s a conflict for you thanks again.
No problem at all. Thanks for the link. I’ve found they don’t form tight schools either. Maybe they would if they were housed with something they were a little afraid of. I keep mine in single species tanks, so I don’t know.
hello, im about to purchase whitecloud online, will they be ok in a group of 5 or should I buy more? thanks!
5 should be ok, but more would be better. If you get six, the odds favor you getting at least one male and one female, if they’re picked at random. Good luck.
@@sonnysfishroom3241 ok thanks! I'll buy 6 whiteclouds together with Cardinal Tetras 😁☺️🥰
@@rustydizon4596 cardinals like it warmer than white clouds. Around 80F. White clouds like it cooler, and may get a fungus infection at that temperature.
Minute 2:00
That is a endlers fish , is not a guppy
shows ender's, not guppies
These fish are endangered in the wild. Mmmm.
There are LOTS of them in retail stores. They are extremely well represented in the hobby.
Is not new guppies is fake neon chines