HOW TO BREED WHITE CLOUD MOUNTAIN MINNOWS! (EASY AND FUN!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2023
- Today we're going to learn how to breed white cloud mountain minnows, or Tanichthys albonubes. They are a beautiful egg scattering fish and very easy to breed in your aquarium!
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great info! i started with 6 of them in an IBC tote in my greenhouse last spring and ended up with around 500 by the fall, bare bottom IBC tote, no marbles or false bottom (although i may try it this year), since the totes are connected to a 1,000 gallon outdoor pond they got an unlimited supply of infusoria after hatching and they ate that until they were large enough for flake. I will be conditioning adults and feeding fry BBS this spring to try to boost my numbers. These fish are absurdly prolific when kept in a species-only environment
Wow, that's amazing! It's so inspiring to hear different ways of breeding. I like that setup because it almost takes care of itself with that natural food source. I appreciate your comment and I am learning a ton from watching your videos
I’ve read that they make amazing pond fish with their wide temperature range, from freezing cold to warm summer temperatures.
I’m trying them out this year in a 20 gallon tub with medaka rice fish. 3 males (2 gold 1 wild color) and 5 females (1 gold, 4 wild color).
I hope to produce more golds, but through a process called outcrossing. A gold x wild cross produces half and half. I’ll take half of the gold offspring and breed them back to the gold males to produce more golds.
I’ll take the resulting females from that gold x (gold x wild) cross and cross them back to another wild male I have indoors to widen the gene pool of the golden line further, before crossing them back to gold again.
That's going to be an interesting experiment, I would love to know the end result and how you got there! To be completely honest genetics confuse the heck out of me. I need to deepen my understanding of them. I would love to keep rice fish as well!
That’s what I’m doing, I put a group of 11 in my pond and they are already breeding😯
Great vid. thank u. They can survive well in freezing temps too. My family of 17 white clouds just survived winter in NY in a 35 gallon patio pond with de-icer. It went down to -7 this winter. They are now coming out of hibernation, healthy and chipper as ever.. Amazin. Big breeding season ahead.
Wow! I knew they could survive in cold water but I didn't know they could get THAT cold. That's amazing. Thanks for sharing that! I hope you get lots of babies out of them!
Really? I’ve heard that they die when it gets in freezing water
@@kyles5960 I can only speak from my personal experience. Yes, they survived freezing temps. Temps went down to 7 degrees (f) here in NY this past winter.. I believe what is crucial is a de-icer to melt a hole in ice for oxygen transfer. 16 out of 17 have survived entire winter and are vigorous as ever.. they jump to catch lil gnats flying at water level during dawn time.
Love these fish! A friend of mine has them in here outdoor pond which has ice on it during the winter. She started with 8 a few years ago, now it’s a massive school that’s too big to count.
That's awesome! I've heard stories of people keeping them outdoors all year long. Thanks for sharing!
What state do you live in and how big is the pond? I have a pond with some koi and live in Michigan. Do you think they could survive with Michigan (southwest Michigan) winters and Koi?
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Koi will eat fry, and the weather is probably too cold to outdoor all year.
Thanks for sharing this info! Great footage 😊
Thanks Audra! ☺️ I'm just using a cell phone for my videos right now, maybe one day I'll be able to upgrade my camera. Appreciate your comment!
Thanks for the video. I'm looking forward to your fry siphon video - I think the balance between maintaining water quality and not sucking up fry is one of the more stressful parts of breeding fish for me.
Thank you for your comment ☺️ yeah I honestly hate it too. That's why I've rigged and old intake strainer to change water currently but I'm not happy with my setup. I want to build something better and make a video for you guys. I want it to be easy and simple as well!
Nice sharing guys
Thank you 😊
Great video thanks for sharing
Thank you 😊
Left my parents in there, also the two large goldfish! I think the more heavily planted the more likely they won’t cling to the glass
Yeah that's a good point. And the plants will offer a place of refuge as well!
Lovely I just got some Longfin and emerald ( different species) to breed 🎉
Very nice! I want to get a nice group of longfin white clouds here in the states! I'll have to look up the emeralds I'm not familiar!
@@sydneysangels the emeralds have a slightly narrower body and a darker stripe
Lovely little fish.
@@sydneysangelsTanichthys Micagemmae, their more popular common name is the Vietnamese Cardinal Minnow
@@danm8004 thanks for the info!
Hi Dan! Nice short video. I have 8 young ones and waiting for them to mature then breed. Thanks for the tips.
Thank you! I appreciate that. I know you'll be successful! I started with six and I probably have about 60 now at least!
I have a 10g cherry shrimp tank that I added 6 minnows too. I have a 3/3 mix of males and females. My substraight is sand and today I saw a baby minnow 😳.
That's awesome! I'm sure there will be more!
Bought 12, received 11, tossed them in a well cycled 10 gallon with several plants and just kept feeding them live baby brine and high quality flake and some blood worms and tubifex worms and they started having babies. I transfer them to another tank to grow out that just has some neos and other fry. I only do weekly third water changes lol. That tank is also well established. Might do your method since it will yield me more fry
That sounds like a good setup and I think the high quality food you're giving them is key to egg production! Also the neos in that tank must keep it fairly clean while the well established side of things provides micro fauna for the fry to feast on. Very nice!
Bought six over a month ago. Hopefully mine breed soon!
I'm sure they will! I didn't have to do anything special to have them lay eggs!
They are pretty cool little fish Dan! I've heard you speak of them before but never really looked into them. The red on the males is pretty sweet! I really need to get RO water and sink down in my basement, it definitely would make my maintenance so much easier. I keep talking about it but unfortunately that's all I've been doing! Lol I can sometimes be what some may call a procrastinator! Lol 🤷🏻♂️
Thanks Dave! Well, you're talking to the king of procrastinators so I totally get it! I love having osmosis water downstairs, I have it plumbed into a couple garbage cans with an auto fill valve. I should do a video on it sometime! I know you'll get around to it soon!
@@sydneysangels that would not be a bad video to put together, i know I would really like to see it. Definitely a good subject to show.
@@louieloudog8533 haha well so far I've learned pretty much everything from TH-cam! I watched a great video on that and it inspired me to make a system too
@@sydneysangels I'm sure that's how most people have learned. It nice to see other people's spin on things, even if it's just a small difference.
@@louieloudog8533 I agree! That's one of the things I love about this hobby. We're all learning from each other constantly 😊
Great video! Have 13 of the golden variant for a while now and thought about breeding them. Just a few ones for myself. They live in a rather densely planted tank (mostly Buce) with snails and a pair of trichogaster chuna. Haven't seen any fry yet. Guess they get eaten. Do you think the DIY Automatic egg trap from your other video could work for them too? Cause I really liked that build. If so, marbles or some good old Java Moss as spawning medium? Like I said, don't want to breed huge numbers (yet), just making sure some eggs get the chance to develop and increase my numbers of these beauties. Also never (actively) tried to breed fish before...
Keep up the good work!
Thanks Jan! Oh, I've always wanted the golden variant, they're beautiful! Yes I think that would work, and I would definitely use java moss. Since these fish don't necessarily pick a spot to lay eggs and instead scatter them everywhere, you'll probably catch some! If you have two tanks, removing the fish after a week might also be a good method of letting fry hatch out! Good luck, I hope it works out for you! 😊
@@sydneysangels If no enough java moss at hand,you can also try the mop method with the mop made from acylic yarn placed at the bottom of the tank.
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Thank you!
Wow! This is amazing, I love your commitment to those babies. I just received some minnows, I'm not sure if they are young or just under fed? I'm trying to figure out their sex
Thanks 😊 I appreciate the kind words! Hmm they might just be juveniles? The easiest way for me to sex fish is by body shape. Females seem to be a lot chunkier when they fill up with eggs!
Could you use the egg trap and fry box systems for white clouds?
I think so! assuming the eggs are small enough and non-adhesive.
i have found that they dont tend to eat the fry/eggs unless theres too many fish in the space. i stuck 10 adults in a 20g long w anacharis, moss, and LOTS of salvinia with decently long roots. they bred so much and i never moved the adults out. once the fry got large enough, i got rid of abunch of them and got the colony down to 25-30 fish. i havent seen any new babies in that tank until i moved them all to a different tank. then 3 leftover eggs hatched 😂
Ahh that's interesting! That makes sense, they have less opportunities / pressure to snack on the fry when there's more room in the tank and more places to hide. Good point! I think it's super cool that they bred naturally like that
Will pond snails and or shrimp eat the eggs?
Do they need RO or very soft water to breed? I was gonna buy some and my Pet store said that so I gave up on buying bc my tap has too much Ca
I don't think so, but I also don't think they would like super hard water either. Sometimes too much calcium in the water can influence egg hatch rates
I’ve had them in my planted tank for like three years… have a empty ten gallon to the side really want to try this again. I had tried in the past. Did marbles with moss but no babies maybe they were to young
Yeah I say go for it! Maybe they weren't mature enough you're right. They really seemed to like the baby brine shrimp and frequent water changes for me, but I'm sure there's plenty of ways to get them to spawn
Great video. Im looking for a small fish to breed in with my Hillstream Loaches. Do you think they would be ok together? My other thought was ricefish but it's my first time breeding egg scatterers so these might be nice and easy?
I think these would work great with Hill streams! They don't have a mean bone in their body
@sydneysangels I hope so. I was given 6 today 🥰
Put 12 in my barrel pond outside. In 4 months I had at least 30.
That's the best because you didn't have to remove the parents right? That's awesome!
Do you know if you can breed these white clouds w/ the Goldens? I have both
To be honest I have no idea! I think the Golden's are just a variation of the white clouds so I would imagine you could
I assume it's probably the same strategy for the golden variety? I have about 20 of those that I really love and plant on putting them on my deck pond this summer.
Yes, I'm sure it's the same exact strategy! I want to get a group of golden white clouds myself, once some tank space opens up lol. I'm sure they'll look beautiful in a deck pond!
@@sydneysangels they do look great. Had them in one for a bit last summer, but this summer I'll start earlier.
@@PlantedElement awesome I can't wait for pond season. Looking forward to it!
An we feed vinegar eel or microworms also
I'm sure they would love any live micro foods you could offer them!
Well I didn't know they predate on their young, I have mines in a fluval spec and just thought they where going through the filter "grill". I counted 10+ in about a weeks time I was down to just 3, and as of my latest count 0. :(
But now I wan to do this properly and I have the the knitting plastic grid stuff, I'll try a false bottom. Mines are 24k gold white cloud mountain minnows btw. I had them for a year. I bred them accidentally this tank didn't get "cleaned" it was mostly filled with algae. So I though I would try cleaning it, that's how I lost a few of my first fry. I added screening to the "grill" but seems it's still to big and fry were going through the filter area? I think it's safe to say the parents ate them all. My last one I lost a few days ago. I love these fish cause besides my guppies they're the only other species to give me fry. I live in the south so outside ponding/tubing isn't really an option (guppies and fatheads do ok in the summer with good aeration in 100°+ days).
A lot of other people will say they don't eat their young but I've seen them do it so that's my experience anyways! Yeah I see what you mean, I would suspect the filter but in this case the parents are probably eating them all. It will be interesting to see how many fry you get now!
do they poop a lot like platies?
I haven't noticed them pooping more than any other tetra that's similar in size
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Thank you Sir! I appreciate that very much. Hello from the the United States!
Can white cloud breed with golden.
I believe so, since I think Golden White clouds are just variations of regular white clouds that were selectively bred!
Do the parents eat frys
In my experience yes, but if you provide tons of room and hiding places I think some fry will survive
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I was thinking about getting some but not sure if they would
go with rainbow shiners, being I'll be getting them in a
few wks If they would go together I'd love to have some.
I'm not sure either, I know white clouds don't have a mean bone in their body but I don't know anything about rainbow shiners unfortunately
@@sydneysangels I'm on aquarium co-op form that I
could ask if the 2 breeds could go together in 1 tank
I also have 6 Leopard Dinio's that they may go with.
@@raisinggoldfishonabudget7058 That's a good idea! Because I've never kept those fish so I'm not sure
Have you ever kept Vietnamese Cardinal Minnows?
No I have not! Have you? I don't know much about those to be honest!
@@sydneysangels yeah, I have some wild caught ones and would love to try to breed them. They're super cool, very similar to white clouds.
@@mtgtomescourer That's really cool! You'll have to let me know if you have any success breeding them! Hopefully they are as easy as standard white clouds!
If you leave the parents with the babies, the parents will definitely eat them….I watched it happen a number of times before I removed the parents. Having said that, if there is enough cover for the babies to hide until they are big enough, it is possible to raise babies with the parents present.
Yeah that's a good point, which is why I think a lot of people find success breeding these fish in ponds!
What do most aquarists do with over populations? That’s a lot of fry, and at some point you have more than you have suitable tank room. Let nature take its course?
Join a local Aquarium club and trade or give them away, sell them to a local fish store, sell them online, sell propagated plants and include 6 free fish with every order! 😅 Try to convince your friends to take up fishkeeping. Make a cichlid tank. Toss a Gourami in there. Buy an axolotl. Make a patio pond. Basically all the same things you do with live-bearers.
Join an aquarium club so you have people to give them to, or trade with. Sell them online. Sell plants and include 6 free fish with the first 100 orders. Convince everyone you know to start a fish tank. Make a predatory fish tank. Toss in a Gourami. Get an axolotl. Stop giving the parents the good food. Put a micro predator in there (to eat the eggs). Make a patio pond. Basically all the same things you do with live-bearers.