Will Stellantis kill off Dodge & Chrysler?? Stellantis has pulled out of North American Auto Shows!

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  • @KevinInPhoenix
    @KevinInPhoenix 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +475

    Just because auto manufacturers have gone "all in" on EVs does not mean their customers will respond and purchase EVs. Some companies have a big surprise coming to them.

    • @peachyclean93
      @peachyclean93 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Exactly and who can afford them? The prices for vehicles have gone out of control! I bought my 1997 Dodge Intrepid in 2005 for $1,800 That thing ran forever! Bought a 2004 Dodge Neon in 2010 had that for 11 years never broke down on me I bought it for 10,995 drove it in the ground with 250,000 miles and now we're stuck with 38 $40,000 base bottom vehicles get out of here it's ridiculous!

    • @gregkelly2145
      @gregkelly2145 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like it or not electric vehicles of one sort or another are the future. We are literally burning up all of our petroleum and the Earth isn't making any more. It will eventually run out or become prohibitively expensive (it already costs $125 to fill up my F250 diesel). Hydrogen is a stupid fuel because of its inherent inefficiencies. And do you really want a 10,000 psi tank filled with explosive fuel in your vehicle? Turning our corn into ethanol is stupid because that starves people. What's left? Car companies that do not invest into EV technology are going to eventually become extinct and I would argue that it is already happening.

    • @Teenagegoogoomuk
      @Teenagegoogoomuk 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      There's goes the mini-van? Damn it man!
      This will be great' hear me out. Who remembers Bud Light the B*tt hurt fight? They will be crying to come back when the money fades away then they come back like a retired 80's Rock Band only to give out free tickets and parts, discounts, service, extd. warrantees, keychains, MOPAR T-Shirts, hats and stickers got to push the merch you know.
      Not to mention that all these "red eyed demon hellcats" are becoming more extinct the way they're getting torn up by officer Byrd but hey makes them more expensive one by one so get your parts and pieces now soon they'll be melted into a Peugeot tomorrow.
      Another 20 years and they'll be collector items just like the "General Lee" hated but loved?
      Stellantis what can I say? I think dylan is looking for work?

    • @steelisthemeal
      @steelisthemeal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Facts indeed

    • @steelisthemeal
      @steelisthemeal 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Teenagegoogoomuk truth

  • @Jag-leaper
    @Jag-leaper 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +126

    We lost the chrysler corporation a LONG time ago

    • @jamesjoslin7586
      @jamesjoslin7586 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Would have been gone a lot longer ago if Iacocca hadn’t come along

  • @edwardpate6128
    @edwardpate6128 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +191

    I spent 12 years at Chrysler as an IT/Network contractor and it is just sickening to see what has happened to this once great company. First with Daimler, then Fiat and now Stellantis. They have bled the company dry of money and lost talent who fled to GM and Ford. I knew it was the beginning of the end a few years ago when they closed the amazing Walter P Chrysler Museum at the Chrysler Technology Center. Oh and Daimler is pronounced Dime-ler.

    • @Timbrock1000
      @Timbrock1000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      If Lee Iacocca was in charge of Chrysler today, NONE of that would have happened.
      Plymouth would still be alive, and garbage from Fiat bring rebadged as Dodge (Hornet) wouldn't be a thing.
      If Iacocca could see what has happened, he would vomit! 🤮

    • @Drmcclung
      @Drmcclung 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Chrysler vehicles have been hot garbage since the early 60's.. Daimler and Fiat didn't do anything Chrysler hadn't already done to cannibalize itself, including the Jeep brand which Chrysler even managed to ruin not long after its acquisition.

    • @steveshattah
      @steveshattah 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@Drmcclungmy uncle had an early seventies mid-size Dodge or Plymouth with 160000 miles and it ran like a new car but he was a fanatic and did absolutely every bit of maintenance that was supposed to be done. A mechanic told me those cars can last almost forever if you do that but nobody does that.

    • @Drmcclung
      @Drmcclung 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yossarian6799 lol

    • @davem8790
      @davem8790 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      It started well before the Daimler takeover. Chrysler was on life support throughout the '70s and had very little or no budget for engineering. The K-car saved their ass. Daimler helped them with the LX platform. Before that, Chrysler was all FWD K-car derived or LH cars. Some of their other most notable cars were Mitsubishi (Diamond-Star) derived with little or no domestic input. So yeah, it's been in the works for some time..

  • @KentTeffeteller
    @KentTeffeteller 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    Chrysler has not been owned by US owners since the sale to Daimler.

    • @lisam4503
      @lisam4503 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      It was owned by Cerebus in between Daimler and Fiat. They are an American Company.

    • @Petoskey116
      @Petoskey116 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Chrysler is foreign now. It was leaked that Stelantis wants to get rid of the brand.

    • @jkmarshall3553
      @jkmarshall3553 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Correct@@lisam4503

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Yes BUT, Daimler-Chrysler was considered a merger. Chrysler brands controlled their products in the US with support from Daimler. When Fiat took over, they continued to allow Chrysler brands to control their own products. Stellantis however is in total control over the products and fate of Chrysler brands.

    • @lisam4503
      @lisam4503 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was supposed to be a merger with Daimler but it became a hostile takeover. Remember Dieter Zetsche? You got everything wrong! @@VAFZone

  • @don66hotrod94
    @don66hotrod94 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +164

    The world is moving past us old Mopar guys. Not much you can do about it. We were just extremely lucky to get the Charger and Challenger back for another 15 year run. So sad.

    • @fredwilliams7893
      @fredwilliams7893 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Not just you guys but all of us v8 domestic owners ! Truck and cars unfortunately i had a 16 scat pack challenger 6 speed manual now own a 6 speed 5.0 mustang and a v8 full size truck die hard v8 guy now look at all new trucks and cars. No v8 option it is sad

    • @abikerinpa
      @abikerinpa 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😢

    • @mikenonya6382
      @mikenonya6382 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I'm not a Mopar guy, but have owned several OLD style Darts, 74 Charger 70 Road runner and a 84 Reliant. The quality has gone down so much I would not purchase anything Stellantis has anything to do with.

    • @dannysdailys
      @dannysdailys 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      It moved past us when they started making Hemi's in Mexico. Believe me.

    • @eriksmith6873
      @eriksmith6873 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      We should count ourselves lucky that Chrysler for so long was able to make the glorious 300C (the American V-8 version) -- one of the finest automobiles ever made. Let Mercedes snobs look down their noses. The 300 was everything a muscular American luxury car ought to be -- and you could keep in good repair for a reasonable price, something that just isn't possible with the German makes. I'm on my second, and I guess I am going to be driving it a long, long, long time.

  • @matthrivnak6572
    @matthrivnak6572 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

    Going electric is NOT the answer!!!!!!

    • @larryjolicoeur7169
      @larryjolicoeur7169 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why

    • @BERZERKERSV4
      @BERZERKERSV4 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@larryjolicoeur7169
      Easy… just ask the CEO of Ford how her trek in a Ford Lightening went…

    • @phileasler5401
      @phileasler5401 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It actually is, clean air is a good thing. The Dodge Stelantis doesn’t want this demographic any more

    • @matthrivnak6572
      @matthrivnak6572 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@phileasler5401 lol

    • @jamesbosworth4191
      @jamesbosworth4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I wish they would have developed a practical alternative fuel that burns cleanly, so that no catalytic converter is required. No catalytic converter means less global warming.

  • @B0RRAC0
    @B0RRAC0 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    I've said years ago that Stellantis was absolutely going to kill off Dodge! Since the purchase they've only done everything to do just that! 😡

    • @doubledrats235
      @doubledrats235 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I was sad when they removed the Plymouth brand but I didn’t suspect back then that Dodge and Chrysler would be killed off too.

    • @rlsedition
      @rlsedition 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You might to blame Biden, not Stellantis, for killing off ICE performance cars.

    • @dannysdailys
      @dannysdailys 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And I was called pretty nasty names for calling them out. Especially by the Mopar fan boys. It was over the day they started making Hemi's in Mexico and really over when they cancelled the Pentastar. Arguably the finest engine ever made that they purposely ruined with the 2016 "upgrade."

    • @machupikachu1085
      @machupikachu1085 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Like Chrysler hasn't been on the verge of death for almost 50 years now.

  • @kirkjohnson6638
    @kirkjohnson6638 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +136

    Stellantis has a lot of auto brands under their umbrella. While I have heard of all of them, most of them are brands that I'd never consider because they are only tiny niche brands in the US. But if Stellantis is going to stop supporting the Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep/Ram brands, then why did they buy them? And, rather than kill off their iconic models, why not sell the company off so that someone else can utilize the brand recognition?

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Great questions.

    • @thadlm2698
      @thadlm2698 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Imagine paying $70-100k and more for a Dodge, Ram or Jeep vehicle…sheer lunacy.

    • @jamesszalla4274
      @jamesszalla4274 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      Stellantis didn’t buy the Chrysler brands. It inherited them. Stellantis was only created in 2021 when Fiat and Peugot merged. At the time of the merger, the Chrysler brands were part of Fiat. Fiat bought Chrysler out of bankruptcy in 2014.

    • @thinkfaster6451
      @thinkfaster6451 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thadlm2698 Yes it’s crazy.. all by design. They want you leasing them. You will own nothing and be happy thing is happening in real time.. they even tell you when you go in to “purchase” that it makes more sense to lease. 99% people i know dont own a car.. they all on a lease..cheaper monthly payments..

    • @williamg2552
      @williamg2552 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All STELLANTIS ready wanted was JEEP and DODGE TRUCKS…which they renamed RAM.
      Everything ELSE was EXPENDABLE. That’s why they’ve discontinued all Dodge vehicles-
      Journey, Caravan, Challenger, Charger…which Only leaves the Durango, and an Alfa-based
      Hornet. Then they dropped the Chrysler 300…leaving only the Pacifica…which means…
      1) They plan to PHASE OUT ALL CHRYSLER PRODUCTS but RAM & JEEP, or
      2) They plan to REPLACE ALL AMERICAN CHRYSLER PRODUCTS, with Badge-Engineered
      Versions of FIAT, ALFA,CITROEN, and PEUGEOT vehicles…which will SINK lLIKE LEAD BALLOONS in this country, due to their historically POOR CONSTRUCTION.
      Either way, the once-mighty CHRYSLER CORPORATION is DEAD…FOREVER !!
      Good Bye, PLYMOUTH,DODGE, DeSOTO, CHRYSLER, & IMPERIAL…We will Miss You !!
      Good Bye,Slant 6’s, HEMI V-8s, 340s, 440’s & 426 HEMIs…DE SOTO FIREDOME 8s, FIREFLITES and ADVENTURERS, CHRYSLER 300s, NEW YORKERS, and NEWPORTS, IMPERIAL CUSTOMS, CROWNS and LeBARONS, PLYMOUTH
      FURYS, GTXs, BARRACUDAS, PROWLERS,and BELVEDERE/SATELLITES ,
      DODGE POLARAS, VIPERS, DARTS CUSTOM ROYALS, CHARGERS and CHALLENGERS…
      GONE FOREVER…WE’LL MISS YOU !!

  • @elrobo3568
    @elrobo3568 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

    Maybe if they built Jeeps with engines didn't that blow up at 60-70 K miles they would have a better brand. My Rubicon has blown up twice and now I am waiting for an engine replacement and am being told it may take 5-6 months. Great works Stellantis, you ruined one of the best brands in the US by not understanding the US market and customers.

    • @ericplatt7085
      @ericplatt7085 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      This is just 1 of the reasons I switched to all foreign vehicles.

    • @chargrams9906
      @chargrams9906 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      BULL,KEEP BELIEVES THAT GARBAGE,

    • @jamesbosworth4191
      @jamesbosworth4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      @@ericplatt7085 Chrysler IS now a foreign car. It is a French car, and French cars are junk.

    • @TheBandit7613
      @TheBandit7613 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I have 3 vintage Jeeps. My 4.0 powered Wrangler, I-6 CJ7 and a 4.0 XJ.
      I don't want a V-6 Jeep.

    • @ericplatt7085
      @ericplatt7085 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jamesbosworth4191 well I'm driving nissan and Subaru. They have been much more dependable than any American vehicles I have owned

  • @peachyclean93
    @peachyclean93 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    I think the merger between Chrysler corporation and Mercedes-Benz Daimler has got to be the worst in history honestly they drained Chrysler beyond belief they really did.

    • @olikat8
      @olikat8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The exec's at Chrysler had "Golden parachutes" via Daimler to help hide the takeover. My dad worked with Kerkorian in the '90's...trust me "Ma Mopar" brass had no problem trying to screw the shareholders, milk the Mopar fan/simps. I don't hate Mopar, I own 6 vintage ones

    • @tbirdboy
      @tbirdboy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I dunno about that. Before that merger can anyone remember any products they produced? Nobody really cared about the LH platform except rental fleets and government motor pools.
      And of those products the reliability/build quality scores were absolutely atrocious. The Daimler merger did bring improved QA/QC as well as utilizing Mercedes parts bins for some Chrysler products.

    • @peachyclean93
      @peachyclean93 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@tbirdboy Not really if anything it made it worse the neon the PT cruiser all sorts of cars were slated to get standard ABS inside impact airbags and Daimler said no So no not really they're not a good company I don't know how they're still in business!

    • @sstevocamaro
      @sstevocamaro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@peachyclean93They saved Dodge/Chrysler

    • @keither7731
      @keither7731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      When Daimler purchased Chrysler, Chrysler had 22 billion cash which Daimler got & spent on there products, then sold what was left to Cerberus, a finance company. That is when Sergio Marchio ? of Fiat bought Chrysler & paid off the loan from the Federal Govt in 2 years. I did some research on Daimler & they did the same thing to another company. Took all there cash, & then sold it. That's the way to make money.

  • @davem8790
    @davem8790 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    The problem with Stellantis in North America is that they are mostly focused (or have become that way) on niche markets. The only exception being RAM. Jeep has been successful recently but is still considered a niche market and interest in buying $75k Jeeps is waning very fast. So basically they have cornered themselves into a lower production, high margin vehicle lineup with brands that have no justification for being there.

    • @Michael-ur5qb
      @Michael-ur5qb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I disagree. The Compass and Wrangler sales are not niche numbers, those are full fledged volume numbers. 2018-2021 they sold 200k/year. The problem is they are wasting money by spreading over so many brands. They need to forget their 10 year plan and consolidate. In N.A. We don’t need Alfa or Fiat. Ram needs to go back under Dodge with Jeep as the off roading brand (mid range-> high end) and Chrysler as the luxury brand. Enough with the “european styling,” Americans want an American design-blocky and rugged Dodge not a rebrandin Tonale with swoopy lines. They just seem to make this a lot harder than it needs to be.

  • @manuelsmiley7125
    @manuelsmiley7125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +51

    I blame Lee i acocca for not giving Bob Lutz the top Job st Chrysler Corporation and instead giving it to a GM guy who was focused on getting a big bonus for selling it to Daimler.

    • @joggernerd8148
      @joggernerd8148 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I absolutely agree!

    • @MatthewTheCCMA
      @MatthewTheCCMA 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      110%

    • @vintagehaynesflute
      @vintagehaynesflute 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Amen to that! And then not including Bob Lutz in the merger (he was the ONLY Chrysler board member that spoke German fluently and spent a lot of time in Europe with BMW!) was a prime example of the pettiness of Bob Eaton!

    • @tomjanowski8584
      @tomjanowski8584 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bob Lutz is a conceited jerk

    • @manuelsmiley7125
      @manuelsmiley7125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@easternecho1622 and then he got angry when the board members pushed him out kicking and screaming and he (iacocca) Hired a GM guy from Opel instead of passing the torch over to the president (Lutz) and then forged a alliance with Kirk Kerkorian to take over Chrysler with their stocks, forcing the GM guy to panic and allowing his buddies in Stuttgart to finesse Chrysler Corporation into a backhanded hostile takeover. So Yes, Lee iacocca did save it and then killed it, just my observation.

  • @catlover15301
    @catlover15301 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    Stellantis is also pulling out of the Geneva Auto show in Switzerland on Feb 26- March 3. So, it does appear to be a worldwide decision. But it sure does look like Stellantis is trying to kill of the American brands. Totally agree. They don't understand the American market.

    • @jamesbosworth4191
      @jamesbosworth4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Stellantis is Peugeot. The French hate performance. Fiat wanted to kill off the HEMI engine, but wiser heads prevailed, as the Italians do like performance. No such luck with the French though. Remember the fantastic Citroen DS/ID? Putting a little sewing machine 4 in that car should have been a capital offense.

    • @Embargoman
      @Embargoman 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It seems that, that company doesn't give a shit about nobody.

  • @petehunter2988
    @petehunter2988 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    I have to break this to you, but Chrysler Corporation effectively died in 1975, or at least suffered a fatal heart attack. The Iacocca years, it was a shell of its former self, and the Eaton tenure was total surrender. After that, the foreign ownership just ate the carcass of what was left.

    • @manuelsmiley7125
      @manuelsmiley7125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Chrysler had so much money in the late 90s that it was rumored that they might buy GM, They literally saved Mercedes Benz in the Daimler Chrysler merger because they had more cash than Daimler. They died after they fiat took control in 2014

    • @bc5441
      @bc5441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have a friend who sold at a Chrysler dealership for decades. She said, “Daimler raped us.”

    • @Timbrock1000
      @Timbrock1000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Lee Iacocca saved Chrysler from going under!
      He nixed the slow selling larger models, brought about the K car (Dodge Aries/ Plymouth Reliant), reinvented the LeBaron, and introduced the Dodge Caravan/ Plymouth Voyager/ Chrysler Town & Country.
      All the above became massive successes, and let Chrysler cruise through the 80's and 90's.
      Just before retiring, Iacocca introduced the "cab forward" sedans which also became hot sellers.
      After he retired, things went south.

    • @petehunter2988
      @petehunter2988 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I forgot, so many are restoring K cars, cab forward and mini vans! You hardly see any Viper or Prowler anymore. And don't forget about the Fifth Avenues. Sorry, but everything Lee Iacocca did at Chrysler with his imported Ford sycophants was badge engineered junk. I owned one once, bought his huckster b s " if you find a better car, buy it", which I did after my Dodge continued to vapor lock, burn oil, rust out and the paint kept falling off. You know it was bad when the zone representative told me, after 20 plus times getting the car repaired unsuccessfully and three Attorney General complaints to never buy another Chrysler product. I happily obliged.

    • @manuelsmiley7125
      @manuelsmiley7125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@Timbrock1000 things went south because he hired Bob Eaton from GM instead of giving the job to Bob Lutz.

  • @10100rsn
    @10100rsn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    It's not that they want to get rid of V8 Hemi engines and gas powered vehicles, it's that they are basically being forced to. They are being fined into oblivion because of every ICE vehicle they sell. They failed to meet EPA efficiency standards because those standards are unrealistic. This is also why they've been switching to hybrid vehicles and not EVs, because they know all electric is not realistic for everyone. All electric is an option, but they aren't going to get rid of the ICE completely because they know people would rather drive a car that will still move when the batteries run out.

    • @markseehawer3762
      @markseehawer3762 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Hybreds are no answer when they get older there very expensive battaries will not be replaced and poor people will just drive them on the gas engines, Which are small and under powered. thats only if they function without the battary. I agree that the auto makers would rather stick to ICE vehicles but the eviliists have other plans for us. If they succeed your new car will be the least of your problems. Call me nuts if you want, but this dark time is coming and fast. I wouldn't want any new vehicle even if i could afford it. I just hope i can get diesel fuel for my mechanically injected dodge 5.9 cumins.

    • @keither7731
      @keither7731 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think Stellantis is seeing how well all the other makes are doing, I think some sort of Hybrids are what is needed. I wonder if they could develop a smaller system like the Ramcharger, that is what i would like. No drivetrain. Just a small motor to charge the generator to charge the battery, & the battery power the drive rain. Just my thoughts

    • @10100rsn
      @10100rsn 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@keither7731 That would be Gas/diesel over electric, where an ICE electric generator powers the electric motor. Basically like a freight train, which aren't very fuel efficient. An added battery turns that into a hybrid to increase the fuel efficiency and you don't need a ton of battery for a hybrid. For hybrids it is better to have something like a normal ICE drivetrain but with the added electric motors in the transmission and/or differentials. People just need to be aware that transmissions and differentials have oil that needs to be changed, not as often as engine oil, but more often then you likely do now. An electric motor inside the transmission, which is common on hybrids, means you should be changing that fluid more often than your ICE equivalent vehicle.

    • @IcanDriveIt
      @IcanDriveIt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’ll keep driving my 99 dodge Ram over an EV. I make good money and I can finance a nice vehicle but it’ll never be an EV.

    • @eriksmith6873
      @eriksmith6873 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@markseehawer3762 The 'evillists.' I love it. But yes, the evillists are on the march in California, where the California Air Resources Board is looking at giving local cities the power to ban gas-powered cars. I don't think it has anything to do with pollution. I think it's because they want us all to be driving centrally-monitored, centrally controlled cars linked to road-usage monitoring systems. Cars give us freedom. That threatens them. I think I will be driving my V-8 Chrysler 300 as long as the nuts and bolts hold together and I can still get gas.

  • @magmomwise
    @magmomwise 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Unfortunately Chrysler Corp. has had a tough time keeping it's head above water. I have owned many Dodge pickups and cars and several Chrysler cars and all have been good. The Europeans that bought Chrysler Dodge Jeep do not really understand American consumers. So now at this point yes it Looks like the grave has been dug.

    • @albertcarello619
      @albertcarello619 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @magmomwise: It will be like when the grave was dug for PACKARD and shortly after STUDEBAKER!!

  • @rodneyparkes3405
    @rodneyparkes3405 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    All the chickens come home to roost. The American car companies did the same to alot of car brands around the world.

    • @jeezopeez
      @jeezopeez 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      better to be the fu*ker than the fu*kee. We have lost our balls.

  • @willmix5044
    @willmix5044 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Very interesting topic! I too agree there are many questions. I find it VERY odd that you cancel two cars and leave the consumer with no replacement. They are still cancelling the Durango after 2024 with no scheduled replacement or prototype concept for us to see. They take the V8 out of the Wagoneer…you can still get a V8 in the GM options. They haven’t discussed a Dodge based Ramcharger return on the Wagoneer platform.
    They’re still making two different Ram truck bodies. The 1500 is a newer body and the 2500/3500/4500 is the older body with the newer 1500 interior.
    It’s a sad time to be a MOPAR diehard.

    • @slapshotjack9806
      @slapshotjack9806 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They have teased a ramcharger but dodge is no longer merged with ram they are both separate now

  • @billsoltys7611
    @billsoltys7611 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Also, Stellantis is seeking a buyer for the Chrysler Tech Center in Auburn Hills, Michigan. The future of Chrysler looks pretty bleak.

  • @jeromebreeding3302
    @jeromebreeding3302 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I worked at Chrysler from 71-86. It was a roller-coaster ride. I was layed off as much as working. It has morphed so much in recent years, it's really sad to see.

    • @machupikachu1085
      @machupikachu1085 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like not much has changed, actually. Fighting bankruptcy since 76...

  • @oldcrook510
    @oldcrook510 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    GM bought Saab and killed it & Stellantis will do the same eventually. Dodge was never known for quality & the only cars they could sell were it's Hemi powered cars for knuckle draggers doing burn outs. Going full EV is guaranteed to end the brand because no one wants the stupid things to begin with..

  • @andrewmclennan5207
    @andrewmclennan5207 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    Prior to the merger PSA wanted to buy Jeep. The deal was dead on arrival. So they worked on merging with the sole goal of obtaining the Jeep brand. They dont care about the rest.
    (Just my opinion from reading all the press releases around the deal.)

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Jeep & Ram are desirable for Stellantis. I don't think Stellantis cares about Dodge & Chrysler.

    • @olikat8
      @olikat8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's all Daimler wanted. The cars & passenger vehicles they viewed as crap, didn't care about pick ups, but Chrysler was the most profitable per unit sold on the planet in the mid-'90's. Took them under 3 years after taking over to turn it 180 degrees, lol

    • @JamesMoore-wy2ud
      @JamesMoore-wy2ud 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's gone full circle. Chrysler did the same thing to AMC. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!

  • @MazichMusic
    @MazichMusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    How Chrysler will survive for 2 years only selling the Pacifica is beyond me. I bought a used Pacifica in January 2023 and I love it. My dealer only sells C and J because other nearby dealers sell all four brands. It's a strange setup. My de as ler recently started selling Moke of America EV's. Not practical road cars for Michigan weather. I wish I had a crystal ball...

    • @markseehawer3762
      @markseehawer3762 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There is plenty of info about big picture plans you just have to look for it. Main stream media does not have what your looking for.

  • @markrudolph683
    @markrudolph683 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Sounds like Sears and Kmart

  • @philliplinkous6393
    @philliplinkous6393 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    That what happen when foreign companies buy American brand

    • @SSinister_Grin
      @SSinister_Grin 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Possibly would've been better if they merged with GM?

    • @jamesbosworth4191
      @jamesbosworth4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@SSinister_Grin GM would have killed their makes off as well. Corporate egos and such.

    • @TheSunnyMaloni
      @TheSunnyMaloni 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I blame American shareholders who will do anything to make a buck. The executive position leaders do not care about the American worker or brand. They’re just in it to collect their bonus checks and go ruin the next business. I don’t see Japanese or German companies doing the same business practices.

    • @jamesbosworth4191
      @jamesbosworth4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@TheSunnyMaloni AMEN, AMEN, AMEN! You are exactly right about American shareholders and CEOs - the shareholders only care about their dividends and their company's quarterly profits, and how much higher they are, and the CEOs will do anything to get their bonus or even a Golden Parachute, after destroying the company.

    • @765kvline
      @765kvline 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The UAW should have taken over the company and made it an employee-owned cooperative company. Many of these are very successful.

  • @DZ-cm5xw
    @DZ-cm5xw 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I think Chrysler and Dodge will be gone, then Jeep and Ram will be the only brands left.

    • @olikat8
      @olikat8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      100%. And most of Jeep is re-hashed Fiats

    • @tommerry2814
      @tommerry2814 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Agree won't get rid of jeep and ram. Too big of moneymakers

    • @olikat8
      @olikat8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tommerry2814 But the lack of quality & cheapening (Tavares was Ghosn's right hand) will...

    • @wturner777
      @wturner777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s because no one’s dumb enough to buy those brands.

    • @olikat8
      @olikat8 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Back to the "Sub prime pool" and Santander loans ​@wturner777

  • @michaelcowan6254
    @michaelcowan6254 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Mopar or No Car
    It looks like no car now.

  • @MrJayrock620
    @MrJayrock620 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    As someone that works for a dealership, I can confirm they have no clue how the North American car market works. And unfortunately we won’t see the Hemi again, as it won’t fit the corporate cafe standard that’s being implemented this year.

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Sad!

    • @jamesbosworth4191
      @jamesbosworth4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It also won't fit in Stellantis's French ideals.

  • @johnnychaos1561
    @johnnychaos1561 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I don't think that the RAM or Jeep brands are going anywhere, they are the drivers for a lot of Stellantis' profitability in NA. They did get rid of some of the Jeep vehicles (the Renegade is a piece of junk).
    Part of leaving the auto shows for Stellantis I believe is a cost cutting move. I am not sure how much they contribute to sales for Stellantis or any other OEM. They might be a bit of a dinosaur concept with so much being done virtually nowadays.

    • @brucebeamon5460
      @brucebeamon5460 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It USED to be you have an array of vehicles from those that introduce new buyers all the way up to luxury NOW they couldn’t give 2 cents about ANY vehicle that is not profitable ~ There ONLY concern is with the well heeled consumer…. The ONLY reason I went to the international auto show ( in Detroit ) last year was in HOPE to see some NEW PRODUCTS… Specifically a NEW Ram DAKOTA that they HAD BEEN procrastinating about bringing back for the last 5 years…. And each time NOTHING …. I did end up looking at that hornet and it’s top version was ok , at least I didn’t bump my head while entering and exiting it as with the Cherokee but other than that I had NO other interest in what was offered with this company…. Also i noticed that there prices for what they were offering was more expensive than competitor ( foreign brands ) I’ve heard people saying they want to move away from the general market up to the luxury market…. IS THAT even possible ?

    • @ronwinkles2601
      @ronwinkles2601 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree Jeep and Ram will survive and actually can thrive with better leadership.

  • @MrHemikid426
    @MrHemikid426 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I think Jeep is safe because there sold overseas. As far as Ram goes it does make a ton of money, so I would assume it's safe. Dodge and Chrysler could be combined into one brand and sell minivans and SUV's. Actually, Chrysler could be a Dodge or Ram luxury model sold as a premium trim level. They did this with the Imperial brand in the 1960's and 70's.

    • @scottysgarage4393
      @scottysgarage4393 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ram made money because of the Hemi and the Cummins diesel. Both are gone now. There is no V8 option at all for their full size trucks. They have never had a decent V6. It is the end of Ram; Chevy/GMC will pick up most of the sales because Hemi people emphatically do not want Ford's boosted mouse-motors, or OHC engines. The LT just got a lot of new converts.

    • @danmorgan3096
      @danmorgan3096 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@scottysgarage4393 LOL the Hemi is available or standard (depending on trim) in the 1500 and the Hemi and Cummins are the only engines you can get in the 2500 and 3500.

    • @scottysgarage4393
      @scottysgarage4393 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danmorgan3096 Hemi production just ended. An inline six will be the replacement option for Rams. The Cummins was supposed to be discontinued at the same time but I admit I haven't checked to see if 2025 still options them.

    • @danmorgan3096
      @danmorgan3096 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@scottysgarage4393 my statement is based on Ram's website for 2024 model year trucks. Hemi and Cummins are still around for 2024.

    • @scottysgarage4393
      @scottysgarage4393 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@danmorgan3096 And? 2024 is a done deal for the industry. As I said, the Hemi is gone. The last has been made. The big Cummins may hang around a bit longer but its days are numbered. That you are behind on your knowledge is not my fault, nor does it change the facts.

  • @connor_flanigan
    @connor_flanigan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I'd love to have something like a challenger with a stick shift and V8, but at about 3/4 the size and weight of the now discontinued one. the size and weight (4200 lbs for the RT) is ridiculous.

  • @Cuhh346
    @Cuhh346 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Everything lee iacocca did for mopar went in the bin. So sad

  • @tsengp7115
    @tsengp7115 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Dodge/Chrylser/Jeep/Fiat consistently score the lowest in reliability. This is inexcusable. They dig their own graves. Meanwhile, they overpriced their products. They simply don't care about being competitive and successful.

  • @timothyleake8750
    @timothyleake8750 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a long time MOPAR customer, this bit of news, pardon my french, Pisses me off! I've loved Chrysler, Dodge products for the past 30 years or more and currently have a Dodge in my garage, and I love it! I am not now or ever will be an EV fan! I don't trust them, like them or ever intend to own one! As far as I'm concerned, my philosophy is INTERNAL COMBUSTION....THE ULTIMATE ACCESORY!!!!!!!!!! So shove it STELLANTIS!!!

  • @mrgurulittle7000
    @mrgurulittle7000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Great video. I’m glad somebody is addressing this issue on TH-cam. Keep it up.

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Appreciate that!

    • @mrgurulittle7000
      @mrgurulittle7000 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@VAFZone 👌👍

  • @stephenmarcus9601
    @stephenmarcus9601 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    FCA did a better job running these brands. Chrysler brand is toast. Dodge may live on with vehicles like Durango and a home for minivans. Killing Charger/Challenger without an adequate replacement doesn't send a good message.
    Jeep-Ram will, one way or another, live on. Stellantis is second most profitable automaker now focused on margins instead of volume. It's CEO did this on Europe and earned large products. Opel could end up in the US selling the best Stellantis EU products.
    A merger is possible with either Renault or Ford

    • @TheOzthewiz
      @TheOzthewiz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You tell me how Jeep and RAM are going to survive. RAM and JEEP are NOT selling, with 120 days supply of vehicles rotting away on dealer's lots!!

  • @hughjass1044
    @hughjass1044 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I have no special insight into this matter any more than the next person but if I was to make a guess, I'd say that yes, the days are indeed numbered for Chrysler and Dodge. And the reasons I say that two-fold.
    One, the "conglomerate" will want to merge and combine operations as much as possible to increase profitability and two, I think that in fact, they do understand the American car buying public a lot more than we think. It's us old fossils who don't.
    I'm an old car guy from way back and I've watched the evolution of the business for 50 years and from my perspective at least, I haven't encountered more than a handful of people in the last 15-20 years who have an ounce of brand loyalty at all and when they do, it's to one of the Japanese makers.
    The facts are that the segments of the car buying public who give a damn about brand names, particularly the Chrysler brand, which has it's own very checkered history with the public, and anything like what we would call muscle cars is very small and continuing to dwindle.

  • @rodneyat
    @rodneyat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I am sad to see any American brands go down but Jeep and Ram have been keeping the "Chrysler" products afloat for many years. Most of what has been produced by the Plymouth, Dodge and Chrysler nameplates has been total junk for several years. Rather than making the investment in trying to turn around those brands they are slowly killing them and focusing on the profitable Jeep and Ram brands. From a business standpoint, it makes total sense.

  • @Scotty_in_Ohio
    @Scotty_in_Ohio 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    This also could be in response to other economic pressures - basically, people aren't going to auto shows much anymore - car nuts are and motor journalists / content creators but if there's not much interesting or if the venue is filled with vehicles they've already reviewed or shown before not a big reason to show up. I'll likely go to my nearest one even though I've purchased a new car last year and not really in the market but I think I'm in the minority. The trend is also to have several manufacturers and brands on a single campus - they could be different dealerships but you can walk from store to store - that used to be the reason why you went to an auto show was to look at the different brands or where inventory was depleted - not really the case anymore.

    • @jamesbosworth4191
      @jamesbosworth4191 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Today's cars are not really cars at all, they are rolling computers, and car guys just are not into rolling computers. And I am talking about modern gas cars, not just electrics.

    • @JDoors
      @JDoors 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @scotty_in_ohio "people aren't going to auto shows much anymore"
      Chicago's 2023 auto show had an attendance of over 300,000 people, a significant increase from the year before.

  • @BA-dr9pr
    @BA-dr9pr 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As someone who traveled with Ram and Jeep for auto shows for the past 5 years this will be a crazy year

  • @calvincrews3885
    @calvincrews3885 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The power grid wouldn’t last if every car manufacturers are switching all electric vehicles

  • @ak8638
    @ak8638 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When GM did the same exact thing with legendary Swedish automaker Saab, nobody batted an eye. Saabs were (and still are) universally loved here in Northern Europe, but the Americans simply didn't care. Funny how the tables have turned. This being said, I'm a huge fan of the Chrysler 300. It's one hell of a car that looks a lot more expensive than it is. I'd buy one if they came out with a new generation. I hope Chrysler survives so we can continue getting cars like that.

  • @ivortoad
    @ivortoad 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    It's a pity they didn't make a RHD Charger. 😢

  • @warringwarthog
    @warringwarthog 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I'm a little heartbroken that Mopar is taking this path I'm looking to buy a new truck and my whole family was surprised when I started looking at different brands other than ram seeing I only owned mopar since 1990

  • @howebrad4601
    @howebrad4601 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    It sure looks to me like they are going to let dodge and chrysler wither on the vine. They will keep jeep and ram

  • @ralfwasmund9656
    @ralfwasmund9656 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Maybe it is the same thing, like before GM has had no clue about the European car market and almost ruined OPEL brand.

  • @MyerShift7
    @MyerShift7 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I believe so. Neither Daimler, FIAT, nor PSA have invested anything in new product worthwhile at Chrysler. It makes me sick

  • @davidtosh7200
    @davidtosh7200 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1950s and 1960s are the good years for Chrysler Corporation. In the 1950s they have DeSoto from 1928 to 1961, Imperial from 1955 to 1970 without the Chrysler nameplate, Plymouth from 1928 to 2001. And now Chrysler (1924-2024?) and Dodge (1914-2024?) could be demise their brands in the near future. My favorite cars of Chrysler Corporation are: 1953 Chrysler New Yorker DeLuxe V-8, 2 door Newport Hardtop with 2 speed Powerflite transmission, 1954 DeSoto Firedome V-8, 2 door Sportsman hardtop with 2 speed Powerflite transmission, 1954 Chrysler Imperial, 2 door Newport hardtop, 1956 Chrysler New Yorker DeLuxe, 2 door Newport hardtop with 3 tone paint job, 1957 Chrysler New Yorker, 2 door Newport hardtop with 4 headlights, 1957 DeSoto Adventure 2 door hardtop with 4 headlights as standard equipment, and even 1967 Plymouth Sports Fury, 2 door “cantilever” hardtop. Plymouth Fury does built 2 door cantilever hardtop from 1965 through early 1968. Today, Chrysler Corporation is the thing of the past.😢

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Love those old Mopars!

  • @troywebb7657
    @troywebb7657 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I can imagine a day when Chrysler and Dodge products are no longer on the market, RAM & JEEP will survive. Mergers are in our future, I wouldn't even rule out a GM / FORD pairing.

    • @GoogleDoesEvil
      @GoogleDoesEvil 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ford's styling is super ugly, at least GM makes nice looking cars.

    • @troywebb7657
      @troywebb7657 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@GoogleDoesEvil IMO, the more likely candidates for merger and or acquisition are; JEEP, RAM, MAZDA, NISSAN and SUBARU. At some point, auto manufacturers will become hybrids. A combination of Tech / Motor Vehicle production. Autonomous, Hybrid and Electric transportation IS the future and some companies are going to be profitable in those segments while others won't.

  • @tetchuma
    @tetchuma 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Chrysler had an ugly ducking that became a golden goose in the AMC Eagle. “The original American Subaru Outback”
    Chrysler bought AMC in 1987 and discontinued the Eagle in 1988.
    I’d be so happy to have a compact-ish 4x4 crossover with locking diffs and high ground clearance. Watching some of these new SUVs (that all look like a baby’s tennis shoe) perform the roller test is just downright embarrassing.
    The ground clearance of the original Cherokee was sooooo satisfying.
    Nowadays, all SUVs and crossovers, you get in them like a minivan. 6” of ground clearance is “acceptable”.
    I miss older SUVs that you sat in the same position as a Corvette or a 300ZX, but you had a foot of ground clearance.

  • @1heavyelement
    @1heavyelement 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    i wont buy anything MOPAR until Stellantis knocks its crap off. really probably wont buy MOPAR until Stellantis is out of the picture completely. i currently own a 1999 300M in showroom condition with 83,000 miles that spent its life in moms garage in southern Arizona. also a 2006 town and country that just hit 227,000 miles that's mostly original except for the consumable parts that go bad on cars. water pump, fuel pump, brakes, tires, etcetera. my daily driver is a subaru forester which im quite happy with and will more than likely buy another in the future. I've always been a dodge/chrysler/jeep guy since child hood. i can honestly say I've owned over 80 cars in my 60 years I've owned all the manufacturers including some that are now extinct. Chrysler corp has always been my favorite though. thanks for the video. i also just subscribed.

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well said!

  • @JasPlun
    @JasPlun 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Look the sales are way down because they are over priced and have a history of quality and reliability issues! People are not going to pay these crazy high prices on products that are inferior to other brands. My company uses Ram trucks so I know from experience they have had lots of reliability issues.

  • @domjohnson2579
    @domjohnson2579 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Stelantis does not understand the NA market. They think they can charge outrageous prices for substandard products. It's the first time ever after purchasing NA cars my whole life that i've been considering buying Toyota. If I'm going to spend over $50k for a vehicle it won't be on the worst company for reliability. In the past they charged value prices for value cars and it was a great niche market. I'm not spending BMW prices for Stellantis products sorry not happening. I don't want a plug -in hybrid and certainly not an all electric. Toyota offers mild hybrid vehicles with more features for CHEAPER than Stellantis all gas vehicles which is insane.

    • @mixedbyfiatcat
      @mixedbyfiatcat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      $50K is the avg cost of a new car, today.

    • @domjohnson2579
      @domjohnson2579 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mixedbyfiatcat Yes nobody said it wasn't.

  • @DoctorHemi
    @DoctorHemi 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm so glad I got my 2022 Challenger R/T when I did.

  • @DavidLittle-y3e
    @DavidLittle-y3e 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Poor Walter P.how many times has Walter rolled over in his grave 🪦🪦🫤🫤

    • @765kvline
      @765kvline 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      --Revolving at several hundred RPM.

  • @unconventionalideas5683
    @unconventionalideas5683 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dodge doesn’t make cars that are terribly compatible with the values of most upcoming younger buyers, many of whom no longer care at all about performance or street-cred. They care about cost, safety, and fuel consumption. These are not necessarily areas where Dodge shines. Meanwhile, older customers may like performance cars, but they may choose to keep familiar vehicles longer and they certainly aren’t going to be around forever. This sets up Dodge for a crisis down the road as younger buyers increasingly forgo Dodge completely.

  • @matthrivnak6572
    @matthrivnak6572 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    NO ELECTRIC CARS!

  • @waldensmith4796
    @waldensmith4796 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We need to protect our North American Brands of Chrysler products. As reported Stellantis has taken over Chrysler affecting the Auto Shows with no Chrysler products. Thanks for the update. I did not know Stellantis took over Chrysler.

  • @sabgab
    @sabgab 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Add to this the PRICE GOUGING by many of the dealers and 5 of the top 10 SLOWEST Selling vehicles in North America are DODGE. Which can't help them either.

  • @Slay0lot
    @Slay0lot 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes there Dodge Hornet already looking bad. Discontinue of so many things like the Hemi, Charger, Challenger a bad sign. This is America not Europe. We like our cars big, loud and proud.

  • @michaelroberts6450
    @michaelroberts6450 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Diamler bought Chrysler and siphoned a lot of its money and sent it over to Germany to help Mercedes at the time, Fiat bought Chrysler for it's engine technologies , now Stellantis has reduced what's left to a shell of it's former self. I drive by the Chrysler (Stellantis) Building in Auburn Hills Michigan every day on my way to work, had family that worked for Chrysler, and we all own Ram trucks , Chrysler cars, and Jeeps. We have done our part, but I think the writings on the wall unfortunately for the end of Chrysler vehicles. Look at how late to the party they are with a electric vehicle and the EV party is about over. Look around Detroit, GM and Ford are curtailing production drastically because the mainstream market just isn't there really . Tesla rules the roost, and the smaller Niche companies who have lower production numbers like Rivian, (who I have done some work for) Polestar and Lucid can cope with financially much better than the big 2 and Euro 1. God I hate to call Chrysler that, but that's who they are now.

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There will be a huge shakeup in the EV market, which is already happening. Brands like Rivian will not survive.

    • @billfunk3168
      @billfunk3168 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Huge battery plants being built Kokomo Indiana. Alliance between Stellantis and Samsung.😊

    • @GoogleDoesEvil
      @GoogleDoesEvil 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tesla isn't even doing very well right now.

  • @perfectlybalanced8995
    @perfectlybalanced8995 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At this point Stellantis is just repeating history like when Chrysler bought American Motors just for the Jeep brand alone while leaving the other brands in the dust.

  • @carzombieeatery3216
    @carzombieeatery3216 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    FCA/Stellantis has been very good to the car guy, and I appreciate that. However, their entire fleets, unfortunately, get the worst overall MPG. They just don't have much that can help balance things out to keep the V8s, That said, the root causes are the EPA and Biden's fascist mandates.
    As for the auto shows, I went to the San Diego International Auto Show, and while Stelantis was there, it wasn't a big effort compared to Ford and GM. 1 Ram, 1 Charger, 1 Hornet, 1 Wrangler, 1 Grand Cherokee and 2 Mini Vans. That said, BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Mazda, Buick and Lincoln didn't even show up.
    Regarding EVs, there's Tesla and then everyone else. EV fans love the Tesla brand, but everyone else's EV sales are terrible. Out of the top 25 vehicles sold in America (2023), only 2 EVs made it, which were the Model Y and 3. ICE Trucks and SUVs Dominate. Mass EV adoption may happen in certain countries, but not in America. Millions live in apartment complexes, along with millions who park their vehicles on the streets in front of their residence. In the end, we're a very diverse and split country.
    Lastly, regarding EVs, those $7,500 subsidies are starting to dry up, and the early EV adoption phase has been coming to an end, and the Federal EV mileage tax (per mile driven) still has to be implemented that was past in Biden's infrastructure bill. And then there's state EV taxes that have been rolling out. And then there's the EV insurance rates that have been eye opening of late. So the EV honeymoon may be coming to an end, though Tesla will be fine.
    OK, I'm done blathering.

    • @mixedbyfiatcat
      @mixedbyfiatcat 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, they ran the v8 wave as long as possible.

  • @johncarter1137
    @johncarter1137 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Wouldn't the Durango be a model, not a brand? Same with the Hornet, Charger, etc. Your point that Stellantis doesn't understand the American market is a sound one. Stellantis raised the MSRPs on their cars, more than most manufacturers, at a time when the market couldn't bear it and their vehicles are beginning to rot on the lots. It's such a shame, especially for the Charger and Challenger fans, like me, that would buy one if they weren't so ridiculously overpriced.

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes John, you are correct.......Durango, Hornet, Charger, Challenger are Models. Chrysler, Dodge are the car brands.

  • @peacemaker6156
    @peacemaker6156 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The price of my 69 dodge just sky rocketed.

  • @nonde.script
    @nonde.script 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The situation at Chrysler and Dodge is eerily similar to how AMC died after doing business with Renault. However each American Stellantis brand has a model that proves the public is still interested.
    Chrysler Pacifica is #1 in segment and broke all time sales record in 2023
    Dodge Durango broke all time sales record in 2023 for current generation (2011-present)
    Dodge Charger and Challenger remain strong sellers to very end; replacement in pre-production.
    Ram and Jeep are volume sellers despite overpricing. It would be stupid to kill these.
    If anything, it may appear that FCA was grossly mismanaged as a company and starved their own brands of product.

  • @BluBlade-k7b
    @BluBlade-k7b 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Stay the hell away from battery popping electrics. Bring back something on the Neon line , something the regular working guy can afford . Not that many want 100K+ car or truck. So over priced and so stupid .

    • @loki_wolff
      @loki_wolff 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A new Neon would be sick!

  • @intuitive7274
    @intuitive7274 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They are killing the company. Eventually they will go bankrupt

  • @manuelsmiley7125
    @manuelsmiley7125 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    No one is buying Alfa Romeo and Fiat products whatsoever, including Maserati, no one is buying those trash vehicles.

  • @craycray127
    @craycray127 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I would miss the Pacifica, but everyone else could kick rocks. Jeep / Ram have priced themselves out of relevance.

  • @mohammedqayyum1140
    @mohammedqayyum1140 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I agree with you. Any auto show I’ve ever been to Chrysler always had the best show. They always had rides for ram trucks or jeeps, and goodie bags of shirts or backpacks. They always used to stand out, compared to the other brands by far. It’s pretty sad to see them leave. I myself purchased a 23 ram 1500 Laramie this year because of all the memories I’ve had from going to auto shows and riding in those trucks. Sad to see the hemi go and the downfall of the brand.

  • @Kingswood7189
    @Kingswood7189 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    F@$# stellantis. I know dodge/chrysler dont have an outstanding line-up of cars, but they still offer decent vehicles. Id be more inclined to buy a newer one if i could afford it, but i cant. Still rocking my almost 20 year old rigs. :)

  • @jongilroy1449
    @jongilroy1449 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The big mistake that was made when Chrysler was owned part by the UAW and Fiat. The UAW should have never given up their interest in the company. Big big big mistake!!! It's so sad that an American car company being taken over by some foreign car company was an atrocity that should have never happened.

  • @sdrape4964
    @sdrape4964 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Stellantis must have hired Eddie Lampert as a consultant to handle the Chrysler brands.
    (For those who don't know who Eddie Lampert is, look him up.)

  • @3644Darrell
    @3644Darrell 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I went to the international auto show in Atlanta last year and there weren't many manufacturers there at all. It was nothing like previous years.

  • @davinp
    @davinp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Stellantis has cancelled several Chrysler and Dodge models including the Caravan. They say they are planning to electric the Charger and Challenger which ended production in 2023. They Chrysler 300 was also killed in 2023. Also, they have not come out with any new models. It has people wondering will Stllantis kill the Chrysler and Dodge brands

    • @sdc5683
      @sdc5683 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      An electric Charger and Challenger will be a financial disaster.They will not sell enough of them to make any money.

    • @stevenpollard5171
      @stevenpollard5171 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Americans won’t buy and aren’t buying rebadged Fiats and Peugeots as Dodge and Chrysler products. Hornets and Renegades? Nope. And I am a former Dodge owner.

    • @davinp
      @davinp 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@stevenpollard5171 I agree. Americans don't like Italian cars. Chrysler became Italian after they merged with Fiat

    • @johnmcmullen456
      @johnmcmullen456 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Total insanity to stop production of half or more of your current models when their replacements are several months away from being delivered. I can understand not participating in auto shows though with the embarrassment that all you have new to display is the same concept vehicles that made the circuit 2 years ago.

    • @marblox9300
      @marblox9300 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@davinp Nobody likes Italians.

  • @NanuqoftheNorth
    @NanuqoftheNorth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    In the 1990s Chrysler, flush with money, agreed to a "merger of equals" with MB. At that point, Chrysler's piggy bank was raided by MB and whatever independence they had was lost. No money, no power. It is amazing that Chrysler lasted this long, mostly due to Ram trucks and Jeep. Now those aren't doing very well either.

  • @Skittleman2341
    @Skittleman2341 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I feel that Stellantis is not moving away from showing off stuff at the auto shows, I think this is part of a turnaround for the company. Dodge and Chrysler, unlike Jeep and Ram trucks, have not had any updates to their vehicles and the old architecture is getting harder and harder to upkeep. Also, what I remember hearing a while ago, from future plans for the Chrysler group, before the Stellantis merger, there was focus on the Jeep and Ram truck brands being the bread and butter for the Chrysler group. This is just a time where Chrysler and Dodge are getting ready to turn over a new leaf and add new products to their portfolio.

  • @quercus5398
    @quercus5398 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Don’t think so,maybe downsize,there’s talk of cutting Lancia,the auto industry is going through very tough times,what with EV’s
    being pushed by politics...........the American buyers are changing with the times,the younger want changes.

  • @tokuzumi1
    @tokuzumi1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Wouldn't be a surprise to see Chrysler disappear entirely. Kind of crazy that nothing has been added to the Chrysler nameplate in nearly a decade.

    • @wturner777
      @wturner777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same as Dodge. They’ve already killed off the Charger and the Challenger, possibly the Dart. Dodge might as well go under. The quality is crap for the get-go.

    • @tokuzumi1
      @tokuzumi1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wturner777 won't argue the terrible quality part. But isn't there a successor to the charger and challenger?

    • @wturner777
      @wturner777 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tokuzumi1 Good question. As far as Stellantis, I don’t know.

  • @roberthahn3710
    @roberthahn3710 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Dodge Ram and Jeep ALL should be solely AMERICAN OWNED.

  • @ldnwholesale8552
    @ldnwholesale8552 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    If Stellantis want to sell all electric they will be broke in a few months. EVs have been a cycle that is no longer [has it ever] been viable

  • @richardmccaughey5928
    @richardmccaughey5928 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Smart people predicted a steep dropoff in demand for fully electric vehicles some time ago. It would come when all of the "early adopters" had been saturated. The early adopters are individuals who have "off-street" parking and access to charging, e.g., single-family homeowners and renters of same. That clientele has been used up and it's a tough sell to individuals and families that don't have easy access to those things. Note that sales of hybrids (for which, other than "plug-ins", you don't need off-street charging) has remained strong but sales of Stellantis/Dodge's only competitor in that segment, the Hornet, have been underwhelming. The competition in small hatchback/SUV's is fierce, with both the Japanese and Koreans having better offerings.

  • @RipRoaringGarage
    @RipRoaringGarage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Great channel. I didnt know about Dodge pulling out of the auto shows, but I have been talking about the disaster that Mopar was in 2023. Am actually doing an episode, year in review type thing, and man...2023 sucked for Mopar fans.
    Part of me thinks, its better to go the way of Pontiac and Mercury than become who knows what corpo-EV trash.

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Alex!

  • @daveblock4061
    @daveblock4061 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Chrysler not been American owned since 1998 make this no surprise. Their products are consistently at the bottom of quality indexes. The brands have a little or no positive image in most of North America and globally. They have many brands to cover for the 'loss'.

  • @DF-zp1os
    @DF-zp1os 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The CAFE standards killed the loved Mopar brands. 2024 CAFE requires manufacturer fleet fuel average of 40.9 mpg, with each year raising 10% with 2029 49.3 mpg. This number includes trucks and if you look at how any manufacturer will achieve such numbers it's through electrification. Gm and Ford are shells of themselves from past and sell little bubble SUVs that look the same. The car buying Americans may not want electrics, but the government is forcing manufacturers hand by CAFE. It's going to be a s%$# show. The internal combustion vehicles left are going to subsidize the electrics and cover CAFE fines for being in "not efficient" enough. I would not be surprised if we see a Chrysler Pacifica hybrid priced cheaper than a standard ICE Pacifica, and it won't be because they lowered prices on the hybrid Pacifica.

  • @raymondfiandaca
    @raymondfiandaca 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They need to fold Ram back into Dodge and use Dodge as a mainline brand. Chrysler should be the luxury brand with premium products. Jeep should focus on 4x4 SUVs only. They could bring back Plymouth as electric vehicle brand.

    • @kennyangel3607
      @kennyangel3607 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree. That would be smart marketing.

  • @ronbrock6153
    @ronbrock6153 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I seen the thumb nail and had this to share:
    When they spun the Dodge pick ups off to be Rams I knew that was so they could bankrupt the Dodge name and likely write off a crap load of debt.

  • @russelldesabre9530
    @russelldesabre9530 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The thing is ford and gm don’t know what the American buyers want either

  • @wofat6300
    @wofat6300 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This was the plan all along.

  • @ChristianMcAngus
    @ChristianMcAngus 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Chrysler's been on life support for over 40 years. You'd think America would be able to support 3 major car manufacturers - something is wrong with the way American car companies are managed.

  • @WillyMcCoy50
    @WillyMcCoy50 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This is what happens when corporate is headed by rainbo warriors. The round-peg-goes-in-a-square-holers can only destroy.

  • @Zeke2p9
    @Zeke2p9 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No more Spacious Mini Vans? ☹

    • @JamesMoore-wy2ud
      @JamesMoore-wy2ud 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      On my fifth Dodge Caravan. They always were great for me!

  • @Petoskey116
    @Petoskey116 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Chrysler will be gone by 2030. They only offer two cars now, the Pacifica and the 300, if I’m correct. The bad reputation and quality control killed it. I don’t think Dodge will be gone too soon - they’d be smart to market Dodge as a sports car brand. RAM and Jeep are not going anywhere. I’d imagine they make tons of money on those brands.

    • @VAFZone
      @VAFZone  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      2023 was the last year for the 300. Pacifica minivan is all that remains for the Chrysler brand. Stellantis wants the Chrysler brand to go all-electric starting with the "Airflow". That will be the end for them.

    • @TheOzthewiz
      @TheOzthewiz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The "300" is toast as of 2023! You are right about Chrysler "quality". Since the recession in 1958, Chrysler has the reputation of having the WORST build quality. I still remember their products on the showroom floor with wrinkled headliners and the "putty" not cleaned off the front and rear glass when they sealed the windshield and rear window. Also Mopar products usually were starting to rust and had rattles and squeaks when they rolled off the assembly line. This is the reason I would NEVER buy a NEW Chrysler product, however I have purchased USED Valiants as "Winter beaters" because they are SO CHEAP!!

  • @davidluciemable3778
    @davidluciemable3778 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Chrysler stopped caring a long time ago. They have failed to innovate, and they hedged their bets on the old-fashioned gas-guzzling vehicles that appeal to a smaller and smaller segment of the American market. When they tried to make volume sales vehicles (the 200, Dodge Dart, Jeep Renegade, etc.) they were horrendously unreliable - when people can get a ford or a Chevy for a similar price, unless they’re illogically loyal, they’re going to get something decent for their money. Not to mention that Kia and Hyundai, the once really cheap brands, are a lot better than they used to be and are selling like hotcakes. So much so, that they’ve had money to invest in hybrid technology and Electric vehicles. Chrysler and its sister brand Dodge, are going to have to go electric to stay relevant, but if they go all in and screw up, that will be the last nail in their coffin. I personally think hybrid technology and EVs are a good mix, not going full electric; they will necessarily be more expensive, and it will be a problem for many to pay really high prices for a vehicle from what is perceived as a value brand. I mean, look at the Wagoneer, horribly expensive, and nobody is buying them.

  • @JPIndustrie
    @JPIndustrie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sometimes it’s over when it’s over - I had to laugh when you said ‘Chrysler products won’t be seen’ which ones the PT cruiser or the cirrus ? 😂 let’s be real ; this is all self inflicted 😮

  • @dannysdailys
    @dannysdailys 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I've thought this as well. Ever since Dodge cancelled the Charger, Challenger, and the 300 with nothing to replace them except 100,000 dollar EV dreams that was NEVER going to happen. That's a net loss of over 5 billion a year in revenues. The Charger was the best selling 4 door sedan in the world, to absolutely Nothing. What does Chrysler sell now, ONE MINI VAN made in Mexico, and 80,000 dollar Jeeps? Good luck with that.

  • @DigbyOdel-et3xx
    @DigbyOdel-et3xx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I was a Chryco fan for most of my life.
    My first car was a 1965 Plymouth Valiant
    My first new car was a 1984 Dodge Shelby Charger. Loved that lil sporty car
    Then I bought a 1989 Dodge Daytona CS with the 2.5 l turbo and 5 speed. A clean quick for its day car.
    But I wound up buying a 1988 Dodge Daytona Shelby Z with the 2.2 l. Intercooled turbo and 5 speed... Loved everything about that car.
    My all time favorite car and not just a Chryco is the Dodge Viper, any variant but especially the GTS coupe.... Bought many of them in the Gran Turismo video game series.😂
    But since it all became a Frenchy/Italian brand, I nolonger have that Mopar love I use to have.😢

    • @765kvline
      @765kvline 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      --And don't forget the Dodge Dart!

  • @timarm64
    @timarm64 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    All car manufactures can build all the ev's they want. I will not own one nor will i ever own one.

  • @thom-mark6443
    @thom-mark6443 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Chrysler went from being the classy chick until 1998 when it became the party girl being passed around from guy to guy.