I was in love with the 9398 back then and I'm happy my parents saw that. That was one of the best gifts I ever got. One suspension piece is broken, but the spring wasn't, which made the problem able to solve. Awesome set, awesome look.
The geometry on the 9398 is simply better. More clearance, seems like more flex, geared better, better steering. All it needs is set of BuWizz aftermarket motors and it’ll be the best off-roader by a long shot. The chassis is already good, it just needs more power/torque.
I really wished you had done all these tests with swapped gears too. For a real comparison of these two. As for crawling technic hub also offers accelerometer values which is a huge plus
I like my 9398 but wished it had locking diffs and/or crab steering- that’d make a sweet rock crawler. Basically totally independent front/rear steer/power. Was surprised when Lego have done two models since that one and still no 4ws
Killer video. Thanks a lot, Paul. I don't own either the 42099 or the 9398, but I do have the 41999 limited-edition version of the latter. Only ever got it for the dark blue parts and the license plate, never actually built it. Still MISB right behind me. But after watching this I'm quite excited to finally get building. I do remember all the talk back in the day how it was slow but tenacious. Would plough on and on and on. Nice to see it confirmed here. It's been six years and it still pulls more than its weight, both figuratively and literally. Way to go.
@@Renovatio2142 Look at this video by RacingBrick: Swap some gears and it's a beast: "5 minute upgrade - turn the LEGO Technic 42099 4X4 X-treme Off-Roader into a capable crawler!" th-cam.com/video/0-6Gl6AW7KI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the comparison. I fully agree to your conclusion, 9398 was not an ideal crawler but still better than this new Control+ thingy. I just built 42099 up today and tested it inside the house. I am disappointed. Few piece count, too much backlash in the steering so it cannot even go straight forwards and backwards, not enough power (2x XL motors geared up so they have less torque than 2x L motors), the bright light orange parts do not fit to any other technic set and once the simple challenges are completed there is no point in playing with the set any more.
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
The effective Bluetooth range will actually vary, depending on what device you are using and the age of the device, where is for the infrared remote. The version one came with the Sun, maybe in the poorest range, but if you get a newer or even an aftermarket knockoff version remote, you’ll find they actually increase the range quite a lot, depending on both the remote and the receiver. When I first got the Lego set for the control, plus Rockcrawler I had a cheap smart phone had very poor Bluetooth. The range was maybe 3 feet before Bluetooth or just shut off but with my current phone and I’ve got an iPhone 13 Bluetooth range is way more than 40 m, also testing their pulling strength by getting both models to pull one and offer is actually an unfair test on the control plus, the control plus motors are designed so that once a certain level of torque is applied on the motor as to actually stop it from losing. It will actually cut the power to the motor to stop it burning out. Where as the order version had no such system
When (not if) I get a 42099, I'll build it with the transmission gears swapped for gearing down instead of up. I care more about off-road capabilities than speed. Oh, and there's a category missing: looks. I think it's a tie there: the 9398 is a hodge-podge of colours, while the 42099 has a colour unusable in MOCs.
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
I agree with Sariel. The test is great as it compares what you can expect from the set itself. I am just curious if the not-so-big of a difference in diameter of the tires would make observable impact on speed. Great test anyways!
@@searme how about a video trying to mod both sets using vanilla lego parts and see how both of them can be improved and then do another comparison? :)
Makes me glad I bought 9398 all those years ago! Looking at 42099, it definitely wins in the range department, though something like the Buwizz might be able to rival it. The new parts look cool as well, but they might show up in a cheaper set in the future. I'll stick with my 9398 for now :)
honestly if they allowed Control+ to integrate with existing powerfunctions 9398 could have been a better set over the 42099 with one simple mod I hope people at lego see this vid and your reviews and take into consideration the motor stalling
I had the 9398, but it used to be slow but powerful. I also mention the fact that it need 1 bit of grass in the gear assembly to be stopped, I was obliged to destroy it to remove the bit of grass that got stuck in and I never was able to rebuild it and it decieved me a lot because I liked it so much
Got the 42099 and arrived two days after I got laid off from my job due to the cost cutting. An enjoyable build. Took me about 8 hours to finish. Sucks at inclines though
The 42099 would be way better at climbing if you was to switch around certain gears on both axles, it makes it slower but it makes it way better at climbing!
Yeah but overall the toher still better the 42099 has shłt clearance worse geometry and one trick pony at a time if you witch to climb it will be even slower then the 9398.... also the shłt app controlled driving isn't halping either if the app works as intended...
Is that second track Panic Cell's "Save Me"?? Sounds so much like it! Creator Expert fan here but this video convinced me to give Lego rockcrawlers a try! Will save up for one now.
Thanks for this comparison. I was thinking of getting this, but after seeing how much of a pavement princess it is, I'll save some money. The kids at our Lego shows really love driving it over the rocks, logs, and toy cars and the new one can't handle that.
The 9398 set is way more geared down than the 42099, which makes him slower and stronger. the 42099 has the disadvantage the the control+ cuts the power and the 9398 has the disadvantage that infra red doesn't work well outside and has much lower range than bluetooth.
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
Do you think LEGO would add an override system to the app so that it won't immediately cut the power when the motors begin to struggle? It seems like quite an issue here.
In your review of the 42099 you stated that there were gears in the drive system that reduced the torque, which allows the 42099 be as fast as it is. Have you tried changing those gears? For example would a 3:1 reduction be enough to allow the 42099 to successfully get to the top of the slope test with the plank? I'm somewhat tempted to get the 42099, but the power shutdown of the engines under stress is putting me off since i'd want to use the parts to either build a self designed 4x4 vehicle or a tank from it. And i like my builds to at least be somewhat capable of going off-road, so just checking if i'd be better off with just getting some PF XL motors
Wydawało by się, że to tylko zwykły test 2 terenówek. Ale bardzo miło i przyjemnie mi się to oglądało. PS kupiłem ostatnio jedną z twoich ksiązek i jest tam duzo ciekawych mechanizmów i duzo ciekawostek. Jest czym się intrygować można się dowiedzieć wielu ciekawych rzeczy na temat lego i zbudować rózne przekładnie itp my broken english!!!!!!! It would seem that this is just a simple 2 roadster test. But it was very nice and pleasant to watch. PS I recently bought one of your books and there are a lot of interesting mechanisms and a lot of curiosities. It is something to intrigue learn many interesting things about lego and build various gears etc.
The new one is just not cool. It does not look desirable, and it doesn’t perform that way either. Maybe without the power cuts it will show its better colors, but we’ll have to see. The rockcrawler, on the other hand, is just so massive and capable, despite the unstability and short range. They’re like a boomer vs zoomer, these two. This has made want to go and resurrect my old 9398 collecting dust on the shelf!
I will always check SARIEL's Brick before buying 95% of my legos. Sometimes I can not be persuaded out of a buy but I always want SARIELS opinion! Thanks for your videos your great.
My connection with the hub of 42099 cuts off frequently, like once in every 3 minutes. I could not find anything on the net yet. Do you face a similar problem?
While I get that the comparison kind of needs to be about the stock models, I feel like a more productive comparison would be with them both having the same control method. The bluetooth controller seems to be the key limiting factor for much of the performance comparison, and it'd be nice to know which one actually has the most oomph
But is the control system of the Powered Up hub/app not the part responsible for cutting power when the motor undergoes too much load? Because if that's the case, the actual gearing needs to be tested under the same conditions (either both with a motor applying constant force, or both with a motor that cuts out under too much strain) Forgive me if I'm just confused, I haven't actually got any of the Powered Up sets to tinker with yet
The 9398 didn't even have the easy to add mods of xl motors and differential deletes. That would make it even better. Add an s brick and it would be super impressive.
Test started well. But think it just repeated itself in some ways The lateral test would go to the 42099, as it's lower did better on my own tests. The gearing is wrong on it too for what it is. Simply switch gearing cogs around and job done. Controls have pros and cons. Wish it was 4 wheel steer too. But prefer it overall. This is before any major mods, so looking forward to that one day
It'd be interesting to see these compete on the same wheels... (is it just the bigger tires make 42099 faster and less powerful?) (the word you wanted was "pendular suspension")
I guess, if you changed the transmission in 42099 to more of a crawl, the performance test may be switched its favor. As you know, there is always a trade-off between speed and torque.
i dont think this is correct comparison. 1. 9398 has 2 motors for wheels which makes him all wheel drive. not like 42099 which has 1 motor to drive. 2. with this of pf control range we better use wire. 3. maybe lego or smbd will make update so the power + will not cut power for motors. and idea if you put cotrol plus to 9398 how it will drive. And need to notice from the release of 9398 too many many years passed and have to follow rules on kids safety. maybe this is influence on different aspect of the toys.
This is the correct comparison of the sets as they come out of the box, without modifications. Which is the only fair way to compare two commercial products.
dude don't look at the ground clearance. Look at what size obstacles they can go over, because as long as both the wheels are infront of the entire wheelbase. and there are not bumps, even with a 1 stud clearance you can go over quite a lot of obstacles
What I got from this video, (I don’t own either but by looks and nostalgia of wanting the older one makes me like it more) the new one has superior suspension and if it had power functions motors, sbrick and the gear switch and slightly better ground clearance it would be the ultimates crawler
Awesome review and music! I'm actually considering to get the 42099. Can anyone tell me if is there any mod to use 9v rechargeable batteries instead of 6x1.5? Cheers and have fun
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
I love the original it’s just a beast. I have both. Sadly two of the original springs broke and they don’t make them anymore. They are sold on eBay but cost like $30 a spring. But I might have to get them. MY BEAST WILL LIVE AGAIN.
It's a shame! Buy a tamiya buggy for less money with more power and be happy when you really want sth to play in the dirt. And you have to build it aswell...
@@someonesomewhere7073 swap just the IR receiver with an SBrick and you get the same range as with the Control+ you can add 4 PF items on the SBrick vs. 2 on the IR receiver. The SBrick app is free and you can download profiles (and create yours) for most sets.
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
they should have made a PF compatible radio module and a proportional radio control system, that would have solved many problems At least the legos would have been filled with proper remotes.
on my lego 9398 4x4 Crawler i change the L motor to a XL motor. (no SBrick btw) it works good a bit too wide and top heavy, but oke. but i do like the tires and range of the 42099, but no B model is kinda bad.
I was in love with the 9398 back then and I'm happy my parents saw that. That was one of the best gifts I ever got. One suspension piece is broken, but the spring wasn't, which made the problem able to solve. Awesome set, awesome look.
Hey, did you sell the set or do you have it?
The geometry on the 9398 is simply better. More clearance, seems like more flex, geared better, better steering. All it needs is set of BuWizz aftermarket motors and it’ll be the best off-roader by a long shot.
The chassis is already good, it just needs more power/torque.
Itd be nice if the new bluetooth system didnt cut the power so much :/
That's one of the reasons that the Extreme off roader failed.
I think the only solution for this problem is modding the software
LEGO did same as Boeing with 737 MAX 8. Rushed to market instead of making it better.
The other thing one could try is flipping the gears on the motor for more torque a s less speed and see if that makes a difference.
If you swap the gears, motors never stall, the problem is that lego choose a fast gear ratio and this crawler has really no torque.
You should combine all the good points of each crawler and combine them to 1 amazing crawler
Edit: thanks for the likes guys/girls
My lord are you insane lad. Doing that would destroy the space time continuum
bruh, look up "Lego truck trials". The stuff they do is insane.
@@LXW-Arts 😂😂 that would be amazing man
you could swap the 2 gears (2 in front and 2 in the rear part) to reduce the speed and increase the offroad capacity
@@MegaCava yeah i know that but like combine every good bit, not only the climbing abilitys/crawling
No reaction from pug - what a beast! xD
I love your reviews Sariel. They are shot with immaculate detail and the production values for your videos are truly amazing. Keep up the good work :)
I really wished you had done all these tests with swapped gears too. For a real comparison of these two. As for crawling technic hub also offers accelerometer values which is a huge plus
I like my 9398 but wished it had locking diffs and/or crab steering- that’d make a sweet rock crawler. Basically totally independent front/rear steer/power. Was surprised when Lego have done two models since that one and still no 4ws
Killer video. Thanks a lot, Paul.
I don't own either the 42099 or the 9398, but I do have the 41999 limited-edition version of the latter. Only ever got it for the dark blue parts and the license plate, never actually built it. Still MISB right behind me. But after watching this I'm quite excited to finally get building.
I do remember all the talk back in the day how it was slow but tenacious. Would plough on and on and on. Nice to see it confirmed here. It's been six years and it still pulls more than its weight, both figuratively and literally. Way to go.
When the box specifically says not to use it outside..lol
shuttup
@@__-ic7si Calm down its just a joke.
After this video I changed my mind buying the new crawler.. It turned to be such a shame.!!!!
Is'nt a bad set, 5min. Changing some gears make it great whit good torque and crawling capacity
not even able to drive on the grass or blanket....lol rippoff
@@Renovatio2142 Look at this video by RacingBrick: Swap some gears and it's a beast:
"5 minute upgrade - turn the LEGO Technic 42099 4X4 X-treme Off-Roader into a capable crawler!"
th-cam.com/video/0-6Gl6AW7KI/w-d-xo.html
@@octowuss1888 but for 250$ (which is quite a price) it should be expected for it to be great by itself, with no need of an upgrade ...
better buy a real RC crawler (X Crawl from Carson) is way cheaper and way better Offroad
Its nice how the 42099 rolls back on track after a barrel roll
Thanks for the comparison. I fully agree to your conclusion, 9398 was not an ideal crawler but still better than this new Control+ thingy.
I just built 42099 up today and tested it inside the house. I am disappointed. Few piece count, too much backlash in the steering so it cannot even go straight forwards and backwards, not enough power (2x XL motors geared up so they have less torque than 2x L motors), the bright light orange parts do not fit to any other technic set and once the simple challenges are completed there is no point in playing with the set any more.
thats where the mods kick in
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
Do racingbricks gear ratio mods
Superbly shot, superbly edited, superbly Sariel!
The effective Bluetooth range will actually vary, depending on what device you are using and the age of the device, where is for the infrared remote. The version one came with the Sun, maybe in the poorest range, but if you get a newer or even an aftermarket knockoff version remote, you’ll find they actually increase the range quite a lot, depending on both the remote and the receiver. When I first got the Lego set for the control, plus Rockcrawler I had a cheap smart phone had very poor Bluetooth. The range was maybe 3 feet before Bluetooth or just shut off but with my current phone and I’ve got an iPhone 13 Bluetooth range is way more than 40 m, also testing their pulling strength by getting both models to pull one and offer is actually an unfair test on the control plus, the control plus motors are designed so that once a certain level of torque is applied on the motor as to actually stop it from losing. It will actually cut the power to the motor to stop it burning out. Where as the order version had no such system
You monster, now i miss my old 9398 set! Edit: i had to break it for new pieces.
Same here, luckily i got my 41999 set assembled
@@sitsia3808 is that the exclusive one?
Lol did the same to built a 8 x 8 that I never finished
@@trekkergek5865 ye the blue one that got 20 k models built only, and with winch n light's too.
@@guillermoroldan4210 nice
When (not if) I get a 42099, I'll build it with the transmission gears swapped for gearing down instead of up. I care more about off-road capabilities than speed.
Oh, and there's a category missing: looks. I think it's a tie there: the 9398 is a hodge-podge of colours, while the 42099 has a colour unusable in MOCs.
Looks are too subjective.
The quilt test really showed me which set is more fun. It's a shame that the control+ stuff is letting down the new design so much.
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
Now change the gears to give the 42099 more torque and compare them.
The 42099 could be a good crawler with the simplest upgrade.
or even just the tires tbh
Yeah, agreed. Top speed is killing the low end torque on the 42099 - it should have more aggressive gearing.
Motors cut power too quickly-still won't work. And you can do the opposite for 9398 and give it more speed if the gears can fit in the axle hubs
+ 2 XL motors
@@707beats6 no
the 9398 was simply on of my best lego Christmas gift that i've ever gotten.
really cool video. Nice camera work at the category "decent"
With great speed comes no power
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
9498 could do with the other set's tyres
I wonder how faster would it go with the bigger diameter of the tyres
exactly. great test, but they should have same tires, as force to the ground is bigger on smaller tires.
The purpose of this test is to compare unmodified sets. Once we start modding them, there's really no point at which comparison is fair.
I agree with Sariel. The test is great as it compares what you can expect from the set itself. I am just curious if the not-so-big of a difference in diameter of the tires would make observable impact on speed. Great test anyways!
@@searme how about a video trying to mod both sets using vanilla lego parts and see how both of them can be improved and then do another comparison? :)
The smaller diameter wheels in the older set definitely help in high torque situations. The "B-model" in the new set is easier DIY bodies.
Is 42099 performing better when flipped 12t and 20t gears to make it slower and stronger?
It is
Much better. Then it easily outperforms 9398 in most scenarios.
@@RacingBrick have u tested that?
@@ZaidKhan-kt4tk I made multiple videos about it with different gearing combinations, check out my videos
Makes me glad I bought 9398 all those years ago!
Looking at 42099, it definitely wins in the range department, though something like the Buwizz might be able to rival it. The new parts look cool as well, but they might show up in a cheaper set in the future. I'll stick with my 9398 for now :)
range yes, but at the same type I like to watch it from up close :)
Dont forget that buwizz also provides WAY higher voltage which make motors UNGODLY powerful (okay maybe i slightly overshot it but still...)
honestly if they allowed Control+ to integrate with existing powerfunctions 9398 could have been a better set over the 42099 with one simple mod
I hope people at lego see this vid and your reviews and take into consideration the motor stalling
I had the 9398, but it used to be slow but powerful. I also mention the fact that it need 1 bit of grass in the gear assembly to be stopped, I was obliged to destroy it to remove the bit of grass that got stuck in and I never was able to rebuild it and it decieved me a lot because I liked it so much
Got the 42099 and arrived two days after I got laid off from my job due to the cost cutting. An enjoyable build. Took me about 8 hours to finish. Sucks at inclines though
Swap the gears and then it can handle just about anything
@@massid3774 ill try that
Moral: make a third version wich has all the advantages of theese ones.
Amazing video Sariel!
The 42099 would be way better at climbing if you was to switch around certain gears on both axles, it makes it slower but it makes it way better at climbing!
Yeah but overall the toher still better the 42099 has shłt clearance worse geometry and one trick pony at a time if you witch to climb it will be even slower then the 9398.... also the shłt app controlled driving isn't halping either if the app works as intended...
Man, I used to drive the 9398 all over my garden. Brings back memories
i remember when i first built 9398 i kept on using all of its parts so now its just the gearbox and wheels
DiamondDoom.YT hook up a motor and battery and you have a working thing
Lets see what the 42099 does if you mod the gearing
What happens, if you exchange the old parts from [the old one] with newer parts. For example suspensions...
Could be interessting...
I’m more curious about what those wheels could do
AWESOME VIDEO!!! Great choice of music!!!🤙🤙
Is that second track Panic Cell's "Save Me"?? Sounds so much like it!
Creator Expert fan here but this video convinced me to give Lego rockcrawlers a try! Will save up for one now.
What's wrong with the front left tire of the 42100 during the Pug test?
There's 42100 in this video? Where?
@@searme My fault: 42099... But still. Is the tire not correctly attached or is something broken?
Looks like I didn't put the tire correctly over the rim.
@@searme OK. Thanks for this video (and alle the others in the past years!). I really appreciate your efforts und reviews etc!
Congratulations on a very interesting comparison, I also tried the Off-road on 42099 and found it pass quite well.
9398 has some rare pieces while 42099 has better range
Music?
Thanks for this comparison. I was thinking of getting this, but after seeing how much of a pavement princess it is, I'll save some money. The kids at our Lego shows really love driving it over the rocks, logs, and toy cars and the new one can't handle that.
Pavement princess. I like that.
The 9398 set is way more geared down than the 42099, which makes him slower and stronger. the 42099 has the disadvantage the the control+ cuts the power and the 9398 has the disadvantage that infra red doesn't work well outside and has much lower range than bluetooth.
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
Do you think LEGO would add an override system to the app so that it won't immediately cut the power when the motors begin to struggle? It seems like quite an issue here.
I don't think so. The set is although called a crawler, not meant for outside.
The first high quality Battle
the 9398 is better if you want more speed change the gears and if control plus dont support this car anymore what would you do?
In your review of the 42099 you stated that there were gears in the drive system that reduced the torque, which allows the 42099 be as fast as it is. Have you tried changing those gears? For example would a 3:1 reduction be enough to allow the 42099 to successfully get to the top of the slope test with the plank?
I'm somewhat tempted to get the 42099, but the power shutdown of the engines under stress is putting me off since i'd want to use the parts to either build a self designed 4x4 vehicle or a tank from it. And i like my builds to at least be somewhat capable of going off-road, so just checking if i'd be better off with just getting some PF XL motors
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@@searme Ok, fair enough enough. But i'm a viewer of your channel, and was half expecting you had already tried it and included in a video ;)
Power Functions are the BEST!!!👍
I agree, but the reciever is a bit bad and if you are trying to make your own creations the battery box is too big.
@@djlevels2892 You can still buy Buwizz (but it costs a lot)
What's the name of the song @ 7:08?? I need for a video
i assume that you havent done a mod to the 4x4 xtreme ofroader to have torque gearing rather than the speed gearing i comes with
Pug not impressed. Pug's got important pug stuff to do.
Change the gears from 2:3 to 3:2
you can modify your 2019 model by switching the cogs it will make it slower tho
Thank you. Now I know which to buy.
My friend, I'm afraid too much purple in the video. Seems sth went wrong with the filters. I observe this issue on different devices.
9398: Like a boss!
Me: You are one!
Could you make another minor video with downgeared 42099? 5ou mentioned that changing gears is easy
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Wydawało by się, że to tylko zwykły test 2 terenówek. Ale bardzo miło i przyjemnie mi się to oglądało. PS kupiłem ostatnio jedną z twoich ksiązek i jest tam duzo ciekawych mechanizmów i duzo ciekawostek. Jest czym się intrygować można się dowiedzieć wielu ciekawych rzeczy na temat lego i zbudować rózne przekładnie itp
my broken english!!!!!!!
It would seem that this is just a simple 2 roadster test. But it was very nice and pleasant to watch. PS I recently bought one of your books and there are a lot of interesting mechanisms and a lot of curiosities. It is something to intrigue learn many interesting things about lego and build various gears etc.
Can the lego 9398 easily be modified to get even more torque? For example can I simply swap the gears to obtain more torque in this set?
Yes.
I think the 9398 could be a much better off roader with a SBrick/BuWizz, (mabye better suspension) and other tires.
No, the 42099 is clearly a better crawler., but you need to switch some gears. It will be less fast but more powerful
On my 9398 i put on power puller tires and replaced the IR with an sbrick...
The new one is just not cool. It does not look desirable, and it doesn’t perform that way either. Maybe without the power cuts it will show its better colors, but we’ll have to see. The rockcrawler, on the other hand, is just so massive and capable, despite the unstability and short range. They’re like a boomer vs zoomer, these two. This has made want to go and resurrect my old 9398 collecting dust on the shelf!
A bit of gear reduction on the new one would also improve its performance.
Ah, the 9398, an oldie but a goodie :)
I will always check SARIEL's Brick before buying 95% of my legos. Sometimes I can not be persuaded out of a buy but I always want SARIELS opinion! Thanks for your videos your great.
You forgot about the 42070 as an Off-Roader xD
Haha, that's a good joke ;)
Lego could have made the 42070 so much better (or at least less disappointing)
:-(
Can I modify 42099 and use IR controller from 9398? (If yes, what is needed?) I like 42099 but don't like controlling it via phone...
No, these are two completely different control systems.
My connection with the hub of 42099 cuts off frequently, like once in every 3 minutes. I could not find anything on the net yet. Do you face a similar problem?
Nope. Contact Customer Support maybe?
Thanks now I know wich one to by
They both looks great.
Did you use the gearing modification on the 42099? Gives it much more crawling power.
Nope.
While I get that the comparison kind of needs to be about the stock models, I feel like a more productive comparison would be with them both having the same control method. The bluetooth controller seems to be the key limiting factor for much of the performance comparison, and it'd be nice to know which one actually has the most oomph
The key limiting factor is gearing between motors and wheels, not the controller.
But is the control system of the Powered Up hub/app not the part responsible for cutting power when the motor undergoes too much load? Because if that's the case, the actual gearing needs to be tested under the same conditions (either both with a motor applying constant force, or both with a motor that cuts out under too much strain)
Forgive me if I'm just confused, I haven't actually got any of the Powered Up sets to tinker with yet
The 9398 didn't even have the easy to add mods of xl motors and differential deletes. That would make it even better. Add an s brick and it would be super impressive.
Test started well.
But think it just repeated itself in some ways
The lateral test would go to the 42099, as it's lower did better on my own tests.
The gearing is wrong on it too for what it is. Simply switch gearing cogs around and job done.
Controls have pros and cons.
Wish it was 4 wheel steer too.
But prefer it overall. This is before any major mods, so looking forward to that one day
It'd be interesting to see these compete on the same wheels...
(is it just the bigger tires make 42099 faster and less powerful?)
(the word you wanted was "pendular suspension")
No, it's not the (only slightly) bigger tires, it's the gear ratio, as demonstrated in my review of the 42099.
Why does the 9398 seems to be rlly slow
I guess, if you changed the transmission in 42099 to more of a crawl, the performance test may be switched its favor. As you know, there is always a trade-off between speed and torque.
Yes
i dont think this is correct comparison. 1. 9398 has 2 motors for wheels which makes him all wheel drive. not like 42099 which has 1 motor to drive. 2. with this of pf control range we better use wire. 3. maybe lego or smbd will make update so the power + will not cut power for motors. and idea if you put cotrol plus to 9398 how it will drive. And need to notice from the release of 9398 too many many years passed and have to follow rules on kids safety. maybe this is influence on different aspect of the toys.
This is the correct comparison of the sets as they come out of the box, without modifications. Which is the only fair way to compare two commercial products.
Awesome videos dude! Are you planning on motorising the creator lego mustang set?
Hasn't somebody done it already?
Sariel's LEGO® Workshop yes but it would have been cool to see what you could have done to it
dude don't look at the ground clearance. Look at what size obstacles they can go over, because as long as both the wheels are infront of the entire wheelbase. and there are not bumps, even with a 1 stud clearance you can go over quite a lot of obstacles
Czyli PF nadal nie do zastąpienia
Lego using an L motor for the servo is nice, should be a lot of torque from the servo
I like that you can turn any motor into servo and even set its limits
But they totally destroyed by making new connectors
What I got from this video, (I don’t own either but by looks and nostalgia of wanting the older one makes me like it more) the new one has superior suspension and if it had power functions motors, sbrick and the gear switch and slightly better ground clearance it would be the ultimates crawler
Range is terrible Excellent torque
What about 42069 extreme adventure with the wheel mod?
the best would be if the new controls where on the old crawler. (and it doesn't cut power}
Hey when will you upload the Liebherr megastructure review?
October. Because it comes out in October.
Ah OK I thought for a second I was due to release yesterday. I’m excited!
please try a test with tires from 42099 to 9398.... I think will be surprize
And I don't think so. The difference in performance comes from difference in gear ratios, not tires, which are almost the same in size anyway.
Awesome review and music!
I'm actually considering to get the 42099.
Can anyone tell me if is there any mod to use 9v rechargeable batteries instead of 6x1.5?
Cheers and have fun
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
Don't use 9v rechargeables lol they suck
I love the original it’s just a beast. I have both. Sadly two of the original springs broke and they don’t make them anymore. They are sold on eBay but cost like $30 a spring. But I might have to get them. MY BEAST WILL LIVE AGAIN.
$30? That's a joke. Have you heard of Bricklink? www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=95292c01#T=S&C=3&O={%22color%22:3,%22iconly%22:0}
It's a shame! Buy a tamiya buggy for less money with more power and be happy when you really want sth to play in the dirt. And you have to build it aswell...
Philip p which is the better crawler, I would say neither of them, go Tamiya, losi, Traxxas, hpi, or ftx 🤘🏻
9398 is much better
Except for the range in sunlight
@@someonesomewhere7073 yeah
@@someonesomewhere7073 swap just the IR receiver with an SBrick and you get the same range as with the Control+ you can add 4 PF items on the SBrick vs. 2 on the IR receiver. The SBrick app is free and you can download profiles (and create yours) for most sets.
There is a simple gear ratio change by Australian Lego Fan (no extra parts needed) to give the 42099 more torque. He even does a comparison and does the gear change in between and with the mod the 42099 smokes the 9398. 9398 still has slightly better suspension and steering tho
Now repeat those tests with the gearing changed on 42099 and see if it's closer.
Of course it's closer but it's no longer out-of-the box product.
Would the glasses go on the headlights or dash?
Asking real questions here ;)
Heh lol
If LEGO could make 9398 control with either radio or blue tooth...
"42099? Eww get lost."
they should have made a PF compatible radio module and a proportional radio control system, that would have solved many problems
At least the legos would have been filled with proper remotes.
It's 200€??? I thought the 2012 model is 600 because once saw for 600
That was it's original price :)
@@enigma1256 oh
Because it's discontinued you can only get it second hand, so it's more expensive than the LEGO sell price.
Faster = Less torque = no power for climbing Hhigh clearance = more likely to turn over that life :) Great video !!!
on my lego 9398 4x4 Crawler i change the L motor to a XL motor. (no SBrick btw)
it works good a bit too wide and top heavy, but oke.
but i do like the tires and range of the 42099, but no B model is kinda bad.
How do you it to go faster? Just change out the gears?
Yup.
Old but gold
You should switch out the system on the new set an dsee how that compairs
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