Heaps of vids out there talking about 18v tool batteries but all everyone is doing is copying some one elses plug and play. This is a great vid for people who want to upgrade battery but dont want to sacrifice the motors life. Thanks fir your tips man
This video is great. I've seen several videos on this topic, and your video is the best. You're provide crystal clear, concise information and it's much appreciated! Thank you!
Thanks for showing that speed controller with load. I thought mine was broke because I was trying a 24Vdc battery to a 6v or 8v ride on. And all I kept seeing was 24Vdc out!
When using tool battery, be aware where the battery protection is located. Ryobi batterys have battery protection on the battery side, making them perfect for this. Stopping over draining, and charging issues. Dewalt and others need additional battery protection to prevent over draining, as they have the protection on tool side.
Hello, no I haven't yet, sorry. I will likely do it this spring when it gets a little warmer here. I have 2 24v razor toys for my kids that have dead lead acid batteries... so this mod is needed. It is the same hardware as shown in the video though... but you need 2 ryobi batteries in series.
@@ConorOKeefe99 likely not well. It eldepends on the motor construction, but they typically have a fairly narrow operation range and will generate a lot of heat when running on low voltage.
Great video. Mine is “24v” but has 2 batteries. I can’t find any videos on how to modify this configuration. Did you ever make the 24V video you mention at the end? Thanks
@eunit599 hello, I'm very sorry, but I have not yet. I plan to do it this winter (soon!) However, the 24v ones are not too difficult. It depends on the controller that is used by the product. There is a good chance you can use 2 ryobi batteries in series @36v and it will work fine... but there is a small chance that it won't. I will demonstrate it in the upcoming video. Sorry for the delay!!!
Would you kindly put links to the items required for this transition. I am a 70 yr old grandma trying to please her precious grandson and im not saavy to these things! Perhaps a list written out? Thamk you.
I got a huffy 12v ranger with large tires and it was really slow so I used a dewalt 24 v It worked great at first but now it runs for a few mins then it stops. I wonder if the motors are getting to hot. Thanks
Yes, there is typically a thermal fuse on the original harness that will trip if it pulls too much current for too long. It is very rare though (in my experience)
Great video and good idea on using the pwm DC motor speed controller. I have a 6v? tractor and a peg perego that could use this mod. Those stock bats take way too long to charge. Thanks for the info.
Yes, it is on my list, sorry I haven't gotten to it yet. But it is really easy actually! Most of the larger 24v ride on toys will operate just fine on 36v... so just take ehat you see in this video and put the batteries in series to make 36v..and then you can use the step down converter if you desire but it is not required.
@@beckyjbarker for 24v ride ons, many of them will operate just fine on 36v (which is 2 18v batteries in series) that is what I plan to do. Or you can use 2 18v batteries in series plus a motor controller step down voltage device like I showed in this video.
Thanks for the comment! I'm sorry that it disappointed you. I can show the 24v conversion in detail since others shared your same comment. In the meantime, the 24v is super simple, it uses the same components, but requires 2 batteries in series to make 36v.. and then using the step down dcdc converter to make 24v.
I am the least tech savvy person I know. I couldn't even figure out how to send you a message with questions I have. I hope you can see or will see the comment here. I looked on Amazon and do see the piece you are using here to dial down the voltage but all the ones I'm seeing say 12-34 v. My grandson has a Thomas train that is just 6v so I need to find one that can dial down to that. What is the name of the device you are using here. I looked under your video and didn't see it. I picked up this train 2nd hand . It worked once but now that the battery is dead I'm not sure if it the seller used a friend's charging cable to charge this battery and it's a cord problem or it's just a coincidence the battery only lasted as long as the charge it came with. I was hoping to have it ready for him for Thanksgiving as he'll only be here for the day but can't get anything delivered before Fri. I put out a call on my fb wall to see if any local friends have a charging cable for it that I can borrow to check but I'm old so most of my connections are grandparents who probably don't have these types of things at their place. Any tricks I can incorporate to get what I've got working to get us through Thanksgiving and until I can get a delivery of whatever it is you used?
@@margerycross8382 I'd be happy to help! Here is the one I bought and highly recommend! It says 7-70v and will work well with 6v toys. a.co/d/0dD0b0e Hope this helps! Good luck!
Hello ponch, thanks for the comment! Yes, I could just hard wire a step down converter but then jt would be locked at one speed. With my kids wide age range, some like it slow, some like it at full 18v (fast) so it is really nice to modify the voltage on the fly as needed for each child.
@@Hayqt hello, it cannot run on 18v... but it can run on 2 18v batteries in series (36v). However, you may want to run it through a motor speed controller like the one I demonstrated in the video to reduce the voltage down to 24v.
@antcap503 it puts more stress on the components. It can ruin the gearboxes faster, but in my experience they hold up very well. Wiring typically doesn't heat up any more than 12v because the current draw is the same. The motors can get hotter but I have never seen any issues as a result.
Hi! btw thank you sharing your setup! I have a 4x4 two seater jeep with 4 motors plus 1 motor for the steering (remote control) currently with the original 12v 7ah x2 (connected in parallel). It is also have a couple of LED lights and radio and its remote controler. I really want to do this setup... but since my jeep is for 12v batteries, cant the motherboad or other stuff get burned or something like that? or is the 30amp fuse there to stop any problems to burn the motherboard? because last thing i want is to have problems re-ordering the motherboard that might not even be easy to find.. what about the motors? can they stand the extra voltage? (but the motors i would say its easier to buy as opposed to the motherboard for this specific car.. any advice would be greatly appreciated :)
Hello and thanks for the comment. The motors can handle 18v with no issues. The plastic gearboxes are typically the first failure point but only if abused. I have had great luck with no failures using stock components. The ones I have don't have a complicated motherboard other than the simple rocker switch. If you have other systems/components that are designed for 12v, you may need to use a dc/dc converter to step down the voltage for those components. I hope this helps! Good luck!
@TugaemBristol I have a 4×4 jeep as well. Did you try the step down converter? I tried the setup in this video but it didn't work on the jeep I have. With the speed controller the jeep would turn on and drive for a few seconds but then stop. I tried to wire it without the controller but wouldn't drive.
I use the 4ah 18v batteries and my kids are on these things all the time. The 1hr is an estimate, but they almost always get bored and switch to something else before the battery runs out. Also, their usage is in grass and is a lot of stop and go.
Just curious before i purchase this, i want to buy the speed adjusting set up for a 6V, with the cables and everything to upgrade my sons. Do you have a link to purchase the items through for you get credit for.
Hello! Sorry, I haven't made the video yet, but I plan to do it this spring. Most of the 24v models can operate on 2 batteries in series (36v) directly with no modifications. I will show that in the video along with a step down voltage option.
Hello! I bought an adapter for a 20v dewalt 4ah battery to power a 12v 100w razor dirt bike. My daughter can only ride maybe 10 minutes before the bike starts shutting off. Do i need this step down piece? (If so, would it make the bike speed slower?) Or would i need a speed control module? Any help is greatly appreciated!😅
@zstinson21 if it is 100w, then a 4ah 20v battery should be able to power it continuously for 0.8hours hour. (4ah*20v=80wh) (80wh/100w=0.8hours of runtime)... however, since you are providing it with 20v instead of 12v, the power is not 100w... but more like 167w... so the battery will drain faster. Doing the same math as above results in a runtime of 0.48hours on a new battery. I would recommend either getting a bigger Amp-Hour battery, or put 2 of them in parallel to increase the capacity. You could also get a speed controller like I showed which would reduce the voltage/power and increase your runtime closer to the maximum of 0.8hrs. I hope this helps! If it were me, I would just get a bigger ah battery to increase runtime.
@@doinkeroni Thanks - I wired mine up (white + to positive on battery) and black - to other negative terminal on battery but now the car runs in reverse compared to how it used to run. What could possibly cause that?
@@doinkeroni but do this so the polarity is changed after the potentiometer correct? I assume on the shifting box below the seat. Looks like the motor leads are soldered unless I cut them. Trying to find the easiest option without cutting and splicing.
@ean1806 yes, I would make sure the potiometer is hooked up correctly to the + and - of battery.. but swap the wires coming out of the potentiometer to the other colors on the vehicle. It sounds like they are just backwards. Should be an easy fix. Good luck!
Hello, it likely won't run if you only have 18v. The device I'm using only steps down the voltage. However, if you string 2 18v batteries in series to make 36v then you can use this device to step it down to 24v. Hope this helps! Good luck!
@tarakelderman4496 any size will work. Ah just determines how long it will run for. The bigger the battery, the longer it will run. Inrecommend no smaller than 4ah.
ive been trying to figure this out on my 1989 model bigfoot that had the old 6v 9.5ah batteries in parallel. I bought a dewalt conversion kit and messed with the wiring for hours before I finally got the right wires hooked back. This model has slow and high speed, reverse and forward. Assuming either has two motors or the relay that changes polarity. I got it to work after about 10 popped fuses, but it pops fuse if I change forward/reverse or slow/fast and only lasts about a minute and a half on fully charged known good battery. I just ordered a voltage protection module to see if this prevents over voltage. since there are 4 wires coming to the battery... I had to figure out which wires were positive and which were negative. so two wires go into the battery positive terminal, and two wires go into negative terminal. anyone have any ideas?
Typically the 4 wires are for 2 circuits. 1 for operating the vehicle, and the other for charging the battery. Normally the charging circuit has much smaller wire. Otherwise what you are doing should work fine so I cannot understand why it is popping the fuses or draining the battery fast... sorry. I wonder if those older units had a different wiring configuration.
Heaps of vids out there talking about 18v tool batteries but all everyone is doing is copying some one elses plug and play. This is a great vid for people who want to upgrade battery but dont want to sacrifice the motors life. Thanks fir your tips man
I was about to throw them away, now I can just buy the battery, Thank you!!
This video is great. I've seen several videos on this topic, and your video is the best. You're provide crystal clear, concise information and it's much appreciated! Thank you!
@@JferMello thank you!
Thanks for showing that speed controller with load. I thought mine was broke because I was trying a 24Vdc battery to a 6v or 8v ride on. And all I kept seeing was 24Vdc out!
Have you got list of the stuff needed for convert
That’s what I’m looking for? Did you find a list?
your the only one i see doing this right and knows what your talking about
Do you have a supply list
Can you drop links for all above , below ? :)
This is awesome. Can't wait to upgrade my nephews toys.
This is fantastic
When using tool battery, be aware where the battery protection is located.
Ryobi batterys have battery protection on the battery side, making them perfect for this. Stopping over draining, and charging issues.
Dewalt and others need additional battery protection to prevent over draining, as they have the protection on tool side.
Have you made the video yet hooking these batteries to a 24v system
Hello, no I haven't yet, sorry. I will likely do it this spring when it gets a little warmer here. I have 2 24v razor toys for my kids that have dead lead acid batteries... so this mod is needed. It is the same hardware as shown in the video though... but you need 2 ryobi batteries in series.
If only an 18v battery was hooked up to the 24v toy do you think it would still work, just less power?
@@ConorOKeefe99 likely not well. It eldepends on the motor construction, but they typically have a fairly narrow operation range and will generate a lot of heat when running on low voltage.
Great video. Mine is “24v” but has 2 batteries. I can’t find any videos on how to modify this configuration. Did you ever make the 24V video you mention at the end? Thanks
@eunit599 hello, I'm very sorry, but I have not yet. I plan to do it this winter (soon!) However, the 24v ones are not too difficult. It depends on the controller that is used by the product. There is a good chance you can use 2 ryobi batteries in series @36v and it will work fine... but there is a small chance that it won't. I will demonstrate it in the upcoming video. Sorry for the delay!!!
@ awesome. Looking forward to it. Thanks!
Would you kindly put links to the items required for
this transition. I am a 70 yr old grandma trying to please her precious grandson and im not saavy to these things! Perhaps a list written out? Thamk you.
Have you made the video on how to convert 24 volt?
@SpicyItalian4U Sorry, I have not yet. My apologies, but I plan to do it this winter.
So smart and helpful. Thank you!
I got a huffy 12v ranger with large tires and it was really slow so I used a dewalt 24 v It worked great at first but now it runs for a few mins then it stops. I wonder if the motors are getting to hot. Thanks
Yes, there is typically a thermal fuse on the original harness that will trip if it pulls too much current for too long. It is very rare though (in my experience)
Great video and good idea on using the pwm DC motor speed controller. I have a 6v? tractor and a peg perego that could use this mod. Those stock bats take way too long to charge. Thanks for the info.
Totally agree! Thanks for commenting! Good luck with the retrofit! You will not regret it!
@@doinkeroni Thanks!
You going to get around to making the video for the bigger ride on toys?
Yes, it is on my list, sorry I haven't gotten to it yet. But it is really easy actually! Most of the larger 24v ride on toys will operate just fine on 36v... so just take ehat you see in this video and put the batteries in series to make 36v..and then you can use the step down converter if you desire but it is not required.
@@doinkeroniif I have a 24v ride on should I get a larger battery or 24v battery?
@@beckyjbarker for 24v ride ons, many of them will operate just fine on 36v (which is 2 18v batteries in series) that is what I plan to do. Or you can use 2 18v batteries in series plus a motor controller step down voltage device like I showed in this video.
@@doinkeroni I'll just wait till you do it. Single mom. Need to figure it out alone. I'll follow you. Thanks for responding
Is there anything i can use to smooth the torque from initiating power. The gearboxes get chewed up from that initial kick.
@@Kevin-vx3hg there are soft start modules available for these... but I haven't had any issues yet.
Did you ever make the video on 18v to 24v?
@CReed55. sorry, but I have not yet. I have plans to do it this winter.
Watched all 10 minutes to see how you did the 24V conversation. Left still wondering :(. But great video for the 18V and under!!
Thanks for the comment! I'm sorry that it disappointed you. I can show the 24v conversion in detail since others shared your same comment. In the meantime, the 24v is super simple, it uses the same components, but requires 2 batteries in series to make 36v.. and then using the step down dcdc converter to make 24v.
@@doinkeroni I believe you meant two 18V batteries in series, not parallel.
@@T-R0y. yes!!! You are correct! Sorry for the error!
@@doinkeroniso does this mean do exactly what you’re doing in the video, but connect 2 adapters to the wires of the 24v ride on?
@@user-xt2ul2yc5q yes! 2 adapters wired in series.... meaning positive of one goes to negative of the other... and then you should have 36v
Suggestions for ridged battery
Hi Don, yes, you can do the same thing using ridged batteries. Just buy the battery holder off of eBay or Amazon and hook it up the same way.
Did you ever make the video with the 24v models?
@@sgoulet3333 sorry but I have not yet, I plan to do it this winter
I am the least tech savvy person I know. I couldn't even figure out how to send you a message with questions I have. I hope you can see or will see the comment here. I looked on Amazon and do see the piece you are using here to dial down the voltage but all the ones I'm seeing say 12-34 v. My grandson has a Thomas train that is just 6v so I need to find one that can dial down to that. What is the name of the device you are using here. I looked under your video and didn't see it. I picked up this train 2nd hand . It worked once but now that the battery is dead I'm not sure if it the seller used a friend's charging cable to charge this battery and it's a cord problem or it's just a coincidence the battery only lasted as long as the charge it came with. I was hoping to have it ready for him for Thanksgiving as he'll only be here for the day but can't get anything delivered before Fri. I put out a call on my fb wall to see if any local friends have a charging cable for it that I can borrow to check but I'm old so most of my connections are grandparents who probably don't have these types of things at their place. Any tricks I can incorporate to get what I've got working to get us through Thanksgiving and until I can get a delivery of whatever it is you used?
@@margerycross8382 I'd be happy to help! Here is the one I bought and highly recommend! It says 7-70v and will work well with 6v toys. a.co/d/0dD0b0e
Hope this helps! Good luck!
Did you ever make the 24v video?
@@ryanb4128 sorry, but I haven't yet. I plan to do it this winter
Why not just get a step down converter and hard wire it into each vehicle so you don't have to adjust the voltage each time you reconnect the battery?
Hello ponch, thanks for the comment! Yes, I could just hard wire a step down converter but then jt would be locked at one speed. With my kids wide age range, some like it slow, some like it at full 18v (fast) so it is really nice to modify the voltage on the fly as needed for each child.
We have a Peg perego 24v car.. can it run on my 18v Dewalt, or?
@@Hayqt hello, it cannot run on 18v... but it can run on 2 18v batteries in series (36v). However, you may want to run it through a motor speed controller like the one I demonstrated in the video to reduce the voltage down to 24v.
So if I have a 24volt system and all wheel drive rzr do I need 2 voltage controllers or just 1. I’ll be using Milwaukee batteries
@bradleypattillo4887 just 1. Hook your batteries in series to make >24v and then use a voltage controller to reduce it back down to 24v
Does going from 14v to 18v or 24 mess up the gearboxes or heat up the wiring?
@antcap503 it puts more stress on the components. It can ruin the gearboxes faster, but in my experience they hold up very well. Wiring typically doesn't heat up any more than 12v because the current draw is the same. The motors can get hotter but I have never seen any issues as a result.
Hi! btw thank you sharing your setup! I have a 4x4 two seater jeep with 4 motors plus 1 motor for the steering (remote control) currently with the original 12v 7ah x2 (connected in parallel). It is also have a couple of LED lights and radio and its remote controler. I really want to do this setup... but since my jeep is for 12v batteries, cant the motherboad or other stuff get burned or something like that? or is the 30amp fuse there to stop any problems to burn the motherboard? because last thing i want is to have problems re-ordering the motherboard that might not even be easy to find.. what about the motors? can they stand the extra voltage? (but the motors i would say its easier to buy as opposed to the motherboard for this specific car.. any advice would be greatly appreciated :)
Hello and thanks for the comment. The motors can handle 18v with no issues. The plastic gearboxes are typically the first failure point but only if abused. I have had great luck with no failures using stock components. The ones I have don't have a complicated motherboard other than the simple rocker switch. If you have other systems/components that are designed for 12v, you may need to use a dc/dc converter to step down the voltage for those components. I hope this helps! Good luck!
@TugaemBristol I have a 4×4 jeep as well. Did you try the step down converter? I tried the setup in this video but it didn't work on the jeep I have. With the speed controller the jeep would turn on and drive for a few seconds but then stop. I tried to wire it without the controller but wouldn't drive.
How are you getting 1hr run time off a battery, I’m barely getn 25mins on 20v dewalt battery
I use the 4ah 18v batteries and my kids are on these things all the time. The 1hr is an estimate, but they almost always get bored and switch to something else before the battery runs out. Also, their usage is in grass and is a lot of stop and go.
@@doinkeroni ok mine on them full throttle till battery go dead
Probably a stupid question but can I run a 40v Ryobi battery with this regulator?
@@matthewmiller4835 yep!
@@matthewmiller4835id like to see that set up!
Would you be able to use the regulator with a 40v battery?
Yep! It work up to 72 volts I think.
Just curious before i purchase this, i want to buy the speed adjusting set up for a 6V, with the cables and everything to upgrade my sons. Do you have a link to purchase the items through for you get credit for.
Hello, I appreciate the opportunity, but I don't have it setup to get credit for links. Thank you though!!
Any update on the 24v conversions?
Hello! Sorry, I haven't made the video yet, but I plan to do it this spring. Most of the 24v models can operate on 2 batteries in series (36v) directly with no modifications. I will show that in the video along with a step down voltage option.
Thanks nice video
Hello!
I bought an adapter for a 20v dewalt 4ah battery to power a 12v 100w razor dirt bike.
My daughter can only ride maybe 10 minutes before the bike starts shutting off.
Do i need this step down piece? (If so, would it make the bike speed slower?)
Or would i need a speed control module?
Any help is greatly appreciated!😅
@zstinson21 if it is 100w, then a 4ah 20v battery should be able to power it continuously for 0.8hours hour. (4ah*20v=80wh) (80wh/100w=0.8hours of runtime)... however, since you are providing it with 20v instead of 12v, the power is not 100w... but more like 167w... so the battery will drain faster. Doing the same math as above results in a runtime of 0.48hours on a new battery.
I would recommend either getting a bigger Amp-Hour battery, or put 2 of them in parallel to increase the capacity. You could also get a speed controller like I showed which would reduce the voltage/power and increase your runtime closer to the maximum of 0.8hrs.
I hope this helps! If it were me, I would just get a bigger ah battery to increase runtime.
What gauge wires are the SAE connectors you used?
I highly recommend 10awg and using a 30amp fuse. That is the best combination. Thanks!
@@doinkeroni Thanks - I wired mine up (white + to positive on battery) and black - to other negative terminal on battery but now the car runs in reverse compared to how it used to run. What could possibly cause that?
@ean1806 it sounds like the polarity is backwards. I would reco..end trying it the other way.
@@doinkeroni but do this so the polarity is changed after the potentiometer correct? I assume on the shifting box below the seat. Looks like the motor leads are soldered unless I cut them. Trying to find the easiest option without cutting and splicing.
@ean1806 yes, I would make sure the potiometer is hooked up correctly to the + and - of battery.. but swap the wires coming out of the potentiometer to the other colors on the vehicle. It sounds like they are just backwards. Should be an easy fix. Good luck!
Question, can I run my atv (needs 24v) and use the 18v battery? Will it run it if it’s lacking 6v ?
Hello, it likely won't run if you only have 18v. The device I'm using only steps down the voltage. However, if you string 2 18v batteries in series to make 36v then you can use this device to step it down to 24v. Hope this helps! Good luck!
Im having issues i have a 4x4 gator. Any advice that might be helpful.
Sorry, but without knowing what the issue is, it is hard to help diagnose it.
So an 18volt battery but what size ah? Because theres 3, 5 or 7
@tarakelderman4496 any size will work. Ah just determines how long it will run for. The bigger the battery, the longer it will run. Inrecommend no smaller than 4ah.
So the regulator that you linked from amazon looks like it only controls output to motor at 12v, 24v, 48v and 72v. How did you get it to run at 6v?
It can handle 7-80v input and can regulate the output from 0v up to whatever the input voltage is. It is infinitely adjustable. Hope this helps!
@doinkeroni8614 oh I see, the regulator goes from 0v up to input volts. Makes much more sense now. Thanks!
Where are the links
Hi, do you by any chance have the amazon links to the regulator?
Yep! RioRand 7-70V PWM DC Motor Speed... www.amazon.com/dp/B071NQ5G71?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
ive been trying to figure this out on my 1989 model bigfoot that had the old 6v 9.5ah batteries in parallel. I bought a dewalt conversion kit and messed with the wiring for hours before I finally got the right wires hooked back. This model has slow and high speed, reverse and forward. Assuming either has two motors or the relay that changes polarity. I got it to work after about 10 popped fuses, but it pops fuse if I change forward/reverse or slow/fast and only lasts about a minute and a half on fully charged known good battery. I just ordered a voltage protection module to see if this prevents over voltage. since there are 4 wires coming to the battery... I had to figure out which wires were positive and which were negative. so two wires go into the battery positive terminal, and two wires go into negative terminal. anyone have any ideas?
Typically the 4 wires are for 2 circuits. 1 for operating the vehicle, and the other for charging the battery. Normally the charging circuit has much smaller wire. Otherwise what you are doing should work fine so I cannot understand why it is popping the fuses or draining the battery fast... sorry. I wonder if those older units had a different wiring configuration.