@ 4:00 you showed the chief cutoff. I have the exact same tool. With that being said two previous co-workers had that same tool, however one was branded as Matco and the other branded as Cornwell. The 3 tools were all branded differently but we're exactly the same. So I would agree to say that Harbor freight is cloning tools. But so it snap-on, matco, Mac, and Cornwell. Now to say that snap on holds it's value is 100% accurate. But some guys are buying what they can afford. I myself have a lot of Mac and snap on. But Mac tools quality has really taken a dive over the years. I have some USA made pliers and some Taiwan made pliers. Both look identical but you can feel and see the quality difference.
I can't think of any company that makes 100% of their tools in the U.S., be their place of origin China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Vietnam, India, Germany, Czech, Mexico or other countries. They have their standards and must be met before those companies sell them to their customers.
I worked in a professional truck shop for years , when I first started , along with several other young technicians , we were all hard up on snap on tools , giving up half a paycheck every other week to the snap on man , our top lead tech/supervisor used to laugh at us for spending money like that , he's an old timer and all his tools were Craftsman ( the old stuff ) but he did have the specialty tools from snap on and Mac . I learned from him and started saving my money . With harbor freight you definitely have to pick and choose the tools . I've always walked out of harbor freight feeling good about my purchase
There are young mechanics out there spending a years salary on snap on boxes. Like it or not HF has stepped their game up in a big way. Quality tools for 1/4 the price. Warranty and price is where icon competes with the rest of the brands. Pro level tools for shade tree prices!? Hell yeah! Hurray for capitalism!
Cp, what's your opinion on on those icon boxes. Reason I ask. I have been a field mechanic for year largely working out of a truck. Now I'm back in the shop. And need something to put all the tools in. I have a hard time buying another truxk brand box. I did that in 06 and now I cringe thinking about spending that much on a box again
Actually I hate harbor freight fanbois so if you're going to run your mouth say it correctly it's the people that are insufferable that I can't stand stupid little twarwaffles with no life ambition and low emotional intelligence.
My buddy buys and sells Mac ratchets. His friend sells them to him for 30-40 $ and he then resales them for the same msrp as Mac does. Mac sells these ratchets for 120$-140$ that's bullshit just like snapon is bullshit becuz there prices are way to high. That's a snake. I like Mac and snapon ratchets . But the markup is ridiculous. That's bs.
I'm a 15-year veteran and I've had snapon take up to five weeks to warranty a tool I go to Harbor Freight with my broken tool and they give me one off the shelf I use Harbor Freight Tools everyday and they don't let me down and when they do let me down I get a brand new one
So as a 15 yr veteran your ok with president and CEO eric smidt giving the Clinton's 100k in donations for there campaign but yet you think troll me about harbor freight is going to make me change my mind about exporting cheap Chinese knock of tools into the us? Just curious what your thoughts are appreciate your service and time!!
Hi there may I ask what kind of jumó pack did u bought from harbor freight? If u don’t mind me asking and u telling me ? Just wondering, this video popped up as a recommendation video , a lil to late
I was a millwright for close to 15 years. My boxes were full of Snap-on, Armstrong, Williams and the old Craftsman. They saw above average abuse but they were willing to take it and handled it better than the cheap Chinese or Taiwanese junk offered at the time. I agree they were superior products especially at the time. But to say Snap-on is the standard I disagree with. Here is why. I believe brands like Craftsman are the standard and Snap-On, MAC, Wright, Matco, etc are above the standard. Fact is now brands like Icon, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Pro, Craftsman, Kobalt, Etc are fine for entry level guys and guys who don't use their tools every day or abuse them heavily. I've learned over the years as long as your tools are backed by a lifetime guarantee that's one of most important things because even a Snap-on long handled ratchet breaks. I lost alot of my tools a few years back as one of my 20" hand boxes were stolen. I'm actually buying a Harbor Freight "US General" roller cab and buying alot of tools from the Icon line and Craftsman just because I don't use them every day and am now where near as hard on them. But for me to go spend another 400+ on a wrench set is unwarranted and I couldn't justify it. So the cheaper set while not as nice and not as durable in the long run will still be more than adequate for all that I will be using it for. And Snap-On, Matco, Mac and all those tool truck tool companies are just as interested in you as Harbor Freight is interested in its consumers. Otherwise they would make their products more affordable. You can't tell me $209 for a ratchet is even close to being reasonable. Even when I was buying Snsp-On the same ratchet was $120. Even if I went back to being a millwright I wouldn't spend $209 on a ratchet. I'd rather spend less and make 1 or 2 more trips to get it repaired or replaced.
I have a several snap on ratchets lots of sockets and wrenches from them matco and I really like the old style Mac wrenches. That being said I have bought the icon long 3/8 flex ratchet and really like it. That being said snapon is a good company but their customer service has gone to shit it’s no where near the customer service that it used to be.
And I know a few master techs putting their busted snapon ratchets in their junk draws of their tool box. Because the new Snap On dealer and customer service won't warranty their tools. If they don't have the other 3 tool trucks. They're getting Icon.
Hey I have a question. I am thinking about getting a Daytona Jack from harbor freight. What do you think of those? People who turne a wrench for a living on TH-cam actually like them a lot. I think they're probably pretty good because there's not a lot of high tech technology that goes into making a jack and they have to pass safety standards. I would appreciate your insight.
@@CPthetooladdict bahaha like snap on is the only choice! Grab a Pittsburgh, husky, Kobalt, Duralast, Stanley, gearwrench and the list goes on hell I would use cheap China made ratchet from a flea market before I got on that rape van and gave the Snap-on guy a piece of my ass
I couldn't agree with you more Eric is a stand-up guy and definitely someone I looked up to! I've learned a few tricks from him and strive to be as good as him!
I had plenty of snap on products fail on me and some were a disaster. My orange handle breaker bar was a total joke found itself in two pieces. Had to ask another mechanic for his tool to finish the job. Thanks snap on and the replacement was nothing to brag about either took forever
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My area went through like 5 snap on reps. Can’t get one to show up. My Matco guy is in business for 38 years. Snap on made me pay $68 for new tracks on my snap on box lol. Some warranty service lol
Matt, do you have shit for brains?!!!! Does Walmart warranty your broken tool on the spot???? Hell they most likely don’t even stock anything comparable!!
I've dealt with a snap-on tool truck and the rep was 'J-Demars'.. he never serviced my small shop upon his ''route'' and only cared about his big money finance routes. I completely understand that snap-on is suppose to be apart of the mechanical repair society but.. right now in my opinion, they are all independent contractors working for a major corporation pushing ''new'' tools, that don't really need to be sold to them for OVER RETAIL price.
Marcus if you watch my previous videos you would realize that I'm not biased to one brand. I also have 20yrs experience and multiple ASE certificates and currently working on being a master tech I am passionate big difference between that and just buying tools I'm out perfecting my craft.
Felix Martinez just because you can afford snap on or the snap on payments doesn’t mean you’re a good tech. Just means you make enough for that payment.
I have a pre 1927 Snap On 25/32 socket I bought used. I am not a professional, but I do have Snap On stuff. Took it to have the dealer I use look at it and he was super excited. Showed it to everyone in the shop I stopped at. I have never used it and don't plan on it either!
I'm a tech of over 15 years and I love icon tools I have snap on mac and every other brand that a truck sells cant beat walk in walk out warranty . im sick of buying tools off trucks and then waiting weeks for a replacement and then if they don't show up well .... imo hf is hands down the dyi or home shop go too .
My dad was GM paint body and suspension Tech for 25 years my brother was a ASE Certified mechanic Delta tool trucks all the time if a tool broke he had to wait a week Harbor Freight you break it you watching you replace it and you're not a slave to the Snap-on truck paying like $70 for a wrench ridiculous
Been a surface mine mechanic heavy diesel just about my whole working life my dad gave me all my tools they where Wright,Williams,SK,Proto they where heavy and older than i was at the time but those tools i still have in my box to this day the feel they have in hand is quality working art tools today just dont feel the way they do i love snapon but those 400 pounds of assorted wrenches ratchets sockets will never leave me good video keep up the honesty cause that ol buddy is a trait that is dying fast in this ol world
Yes sir I understand completely the mold S&K and Williams Wright tools we're definitely when men were doing some hard-ass work and those memories are priceless!
The coupon thing is frustrating I would go in there and buy a bunch of shop type supplies at one time.and felt i ngot penalized for buying stuff all at once.no 20 percent off and looking for coupons.
I would agree with you 100% if I was a full time mechanic. However, since I am just a DIY guy who basically works on a lawn mower every once in a while, or who changes the oil or does basic maintenance on his motorcycles and vehicles, their tools aren't much different than the chinese or Taiwanese Craftsman, Husky, or Kobalt tools. The basic Pittsburg line isn't very good but some of the tools are much better, such as the Doyle or Quinn line. Works great for what I do. But no doubt, if I used my tools for hours and hours a day, every day, I'd get the best quality I could buy. BTW, my first set was a large set from Craftsman USA and I still have those (minus ones my wife and kids lost, lol). I think those 30 year old tools are better than the new tools by a long shot.
As a retired after 44 years mechanic I will respect your opinion . I'm experienced and smart enough to know what you are saying is pretty much pure opinion not fact. Your opinion is just that your opinion. I do own a two tool boxes full of Snap On tools. The last ten years they have just gotten insane in there pricing. So the question is is there a cheaper alternative than Snap On that will get the job done and the answer is yes. Your video comes across as ranting of a tool snob who doesn't understand the difference between tools good enough to do the job and tools that are the best. Snap On is way out of reach for the average DIY guy.
Well let's talk facts inflation is a part of life when's the last time you saw gas prices drop under a dollar it's been since 1997 since I've seen those prices.
@@CPthetooladdict your reply makes no sense at all . Inflation has nothing to do with this conversation. Of course tools cost more now than they used to,everything does. Snap On has always cost way more than other tools true when I started 44 years ago and true today . My point is you don't have to have the best and most expensive tool made to do the job. There is a place for Snap On and there is a place for lower cost alternatives.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. From what I've seen your videos mostly just your opinion and that's fine. I was right there with you 25 years ago. I to was a Snap On fan boy also before I got smart. The world is changing my friend and there are plenty of viable alternatives out there to tool truck tool's.
CP the tool addict you have what the others lack. These guys are doing “reviews” but they are nothing more than aesthetic assessments. Not sure why everyone is so on board without anything being proven. In 6-12 months if Icon is performing well then that’s great, but it’s all an unknown at this point. Guys in the Icon page are saying have 2 PCs everything so there is no down time if/when stuff breaks. Just blind following the blind.
@@Rainmakerlm definitely couldn't agree more I've been burned to many times by this is the latest and greatest and then it's a turd!!! Thanks I appreciate your support!!!
Only certain Snap-On tools are still made in the USA. Most hand tools are still made in their facilities in Milwaukee and other U.S. manufacturing locations, but products like their cordless power drill kit are made in China, among other countries.
To say snap-on takes care of their customers WOW, Where? snap-on needs to backup their tools whether you're the first owner or the 5th owner! And their salesmen should always take back or exchange any of their products that fail.
The icon tool box doesn’t have a market they are to expensive for diyers and professionals are going to buy tool trucks for the financing. And can we please stop comparing icon to snap on . Icon is overpriced compared to box store brands and warranty is not as good . Snap-on, Mac , Cornwall have been made in the USA I realize that not everything they make is still made in the USA but everything icon makes is Chinese. Snap-on, MAC , Cornwell, SK , Proto and Wright tools have been around longer than communist party in China.
I have old 25/32 wrench's and sockets old Craftsman I inherited from my dad I'm 52 and he had them before I was born but I have never used them but I still hang on to them maybe some day I will need it for some old machine.
I had a Mac one which is basically the same as JNC also snap on rebrands the same I seen a lot of good reviews and a buddy of mine said it was great for him so I gave it a shot he told me to make sure I got the 2-year warranty also so you know how it goes sometimes buying tools I have a pretty good mixture of tools if you watch my vids I'm not really loyal to one brand maybe more mac than anything.
Unfortunately I do not follow alot of the people I Mention in this this video anymore talking about different tools is excellent and I am glad you enjoy his channel.
CP the tool addict I look forward to seeing more of your videos I like it that ur not doing it for money or free tools have you seen the new Milwaukee sockets ?
Bud, its a business, your helping them sale their tools an boxs.. Who cares if HF compares their tools to Snap On or any other tool, if they make a better tool than what they have before, its a better tool (than what they have done), regaurdless its a tool, it shouldnt matter if Snap On is king of tools lol, why worry abought a underdog, a ICON tool, if ICON cant hurt /touch Snap On. Im not mad at all... You have your opinion an its important for many folks to see your side.. Warranty's are only as good as the place that has a future.. warrantys some day may not be any good for any tool. Heck, I spend way too much on top of the line machining tools lol, any machinist will tell you, a tool is a tool, its who makes the tool an the percision they take to make a great tool ! Lets not forget, tools dont make a man, a man makes a tool what it is 😁👍👍
You're absolutely right that's why I trust businesses that have been in service for many many years technically Harbor Freight is the little brother in the tool industry they employ twice as many people as snap on are worth the same but send more money overseas then any other company. Icon is a way for them to beat the tariffs and seem loyal to there customers brand loyalty isn't as important to me as people are!! I appreciate your comments very much!!!
Talk about marketing ploy snap-on wrote the book when you pay that much for something that they have made for $5. Nobody got rich because they used snap-on, a whole lot of people made millions because you use snap on.
@@SDMFTommySick I'm not here to stick up for Snap-on okay I'm not a snap on Fanboy but I know what the facts are. Such as air tools are made in North Carolina wrenches are made in Tennessee sockets and ratchets are made in Milwaukee and Wisconsin but you know the people that are hard-working Americans that you want a negate their jobs and say their products are being made overseas shows me that doing research is not something that is in your wheelhouse.
@@CPthetooladdict no I never said anything negative about the tools. My problem with Snap-On is there customer service and sale practices lately. And I never said anything about snap-on's being made overseas you made a comment about harbor freight using the icon series to get around the tariffs and I was asking how they're doing it if they're still made overseas
Harbor Freight is the Dollar store for men. Somethings they sell have come a long way. The Icon box is too expensive. Their other boxes are decent for the price range. Harbor Freight is channeling the weekend warrior who wants a lot of tools for cheap prices. Also newer Mechanics starting out. You can buy cheap tools instead of getting hooked on the tool truck. I can tell you after owning a Snap On box for over 30 years it’s still holding strong.
Harbor Freight does not sell a extended warranty. it is a replacement plan. They will replace anything you bring back within the time frame, no questions asked. It has been explained in several videos on youtube. The harbor Freight near me does not ask if you want an extended warranty, they specifically say "would you like a replacement plan with that?"
That's not what I was told it was a 2 years extended warranty so obviously they need to spend more time training their cashiers the wording makes a big difference obviously you can tell that.
So im not a mechanic, but I do appreciate the video and u speaking the real deal. Im in HVAC and also do some carpentry, the tools i use daily and buy are Milwaukee. The store i get them from are pricy but i feel like any good tool is gonna have some type of price to it. I need a tool box and would've loved to have a Snap On or Mac but i can not afford that. Harbor Freight has a box i like for a reasonable price. I dont expect it'll last a lifetime and maybe someday ill be able to get something better
At 1:26 though you say they set the standard. That is more than likely true, although California set the standard for EPA garbage and looked how that’s turning out for the rest of us... not all standards mean they are good. Snap on still makes good tools don’t get me wrong.
Dude I laughed my ass off when you said 25/32 I have one too it’s an Old made in Chicago “Indestro Super” socket I inherited from my Dad. I ran into it last week and was saying the same exact thing, “ I don’t think I’ve ever seen another 25/32 socket, & I know I’ve never even used this socket.“, So holy shit that made me lmfao I had to pause the video cause I was laughing so hard. I couldn’t believe someone else had one. It most of been more common back in 50s & 60s
Here is a memo from Redemption Garage that Icon (aka HF) is recalling there 3/8 flex head 10 " and 14 ' in the comfort grip and regular as they have a tendency to lock up do to a lack of lubrication. He opened his and added grease and has not had any problems but others have
I don't think Harbor Freight is bad, for the price. You have to remember that they aren't trying to charge a lot for their tools. They are great for homeowners. Obviously, for a pro, Snap On and others should be used. I like Tekton tools, they are a good price and high quality.
They promote bad economic growth in America and support reverse engineering and bait and switch marketing do you really want to spend your money with a company that intentions are to fool you into buying products based on a ad comparison that is strictly money based? they intentionally compare to products that are priced the same but they under preform drastically!! That's my point we have lost the ability to be honest and we lie to everyone now....not me I'm still here to do things right.
@@CPthetooladdict You know what I see whenever I walk into Harbor Freight? I see American Workers earning a living. The stores are actually privately owned and not franchised, and the employees are happy to work there. Now if Harbor Freight went out of business, thousands of workers would lose their jobs. Not to mention the American workers who work in various distribution centers. I can guarantee you that your Snap On tools have Taiwanese and Chinese made components in them. Yes, USA made is better but for the average homeowner, these are decent tools. And as far as I can see, the comparisons are marketing. Of course its not all going to be true. Thats why you go to Harbor Freight and look at the tools.
Lol you call that a job a company that makes billions and the average income is less then 30k a year snap-on provides higher paying jobs and skilled labor to the economy they aren't even on the same level you just want to justify your cheap garbage like every other tight ass on TH-cam tell me how American a guy that makes billions is but pays minimum wage to thousands eric schmidt also basically killed his father and sued him and had him removed from a company he started. The one thing I know for sure is people like you are just wanting to prove something but at the end of the day you cant fix 100% of your own problems on your vehicle and then have to ask guys like me to help but try to tell me what I should or shouldn't buy!! I've been doing this professional it's my job you're a hack and you only know what you don't know!
@@CPthetooladdict They are still American workers all the same. I'm not telling you to not buy Snap On. I buy Snap On too. I'm just saying that Harbor Freight isn't a bad option for some. Actually, Harbor Freight has a starting wage of $12 an hour, which is a tad higher than the minimum wage in most states. Without minimum wage jobs, this country will not operate. Here you are saying that we should support American jobs, but wait! Only HIGH PAYING American jobs. Your claims about Eric Schmidt are unfounded. I don't even buy most of my stuff at Harbor Freight. I buy lots from companies like Tekton, and like I said, also Snap On. If you are a weekend warrior, why should you go out and spend THOUSANDS of dollars on tools? It just doesn't make sense. By the way, I am very skilled at mechanical work and I am getting into an apprenticeship at a dealership soon. I have ran a small engine repair shop out of my parents house since I was 13 years old, that I have built from the ground up over time and am still building today. And here you go claiming I'm a hack. Wow.
The facts are absolutely founded its was was a court case that is in on record that eric fired and had his own father removed from the board more facts that you just want to argue your a kid that wants respect and you are trying to convince a 20yr professional that has seen all aspects of the tool industry you have no idea about what really goes on in the shadows of the tool industry harbor freight offers nothing that's not ripped off from someone else's hard work they stand for everything that's wrong in buisnesses today....take a hard look at the world not your own wallet and maybe you will begin to understand why this country is falling behind in technology because we have mentality like yours step over a dollar to save a dime. We need more skilled jobs in this country not minimum wage jobs that do not promote education and skill. You're wrong deal with it. I care about America not my bank account.
Hey bud. This is the first video I've seen from you. I'mma tell ya. You reeled me in. I definitely like your delivery maybe it's your style of speaking coming from those years as a mechanic. With that said..I'm gonna bust your balls a little. I'm also a mechanic with a back ground in avionics. Been in my trade for just about 18 years. I found it funny that you were having a lil trouble distinguishing a # 2 Phillips from a #3 to the point where you had to read it. 😂. Hey it's all love. Again I did enjoy your video. I myself have a very healthy mix of tools. Allot of snap on. But Shai the mix of harbor freight stuff. I don't have any icon. Though. What I have been pleased with is the Doyle crimpers and cutters. With a heavy electronics background,. I've had all names channel lock, snap on,. Crescent etc. For sure the Doyle felt the best in my grip. That a personal preference. Anyways. Keep up the great content. Again first video and you got me
Thanks I appreciate it and employ you to heckle me anytime! I definitely know the difference but I'm by no means the best I'm a jack of all trades master of none thanks for watching!!!
Your Grandpa sounds like he was a good man. I get better service from *Snap-On/Matco and MAC.* Great video. Plus the tools from Snap-On/Matco/MAC are made in USA and provide good jobs. Like you said they don't understand.
@@RenegadesGarage Matco does stand behind their warranty and they have a lot of specialty tools available. Their Matco 88 ratchets their design is awesome (aware they may not make everything). As long as they service what they sell I am good with it. 👍
I'm with you. I can't stand Harbor Freight. But i really can't stand the Harbor Freight customer mentality and how they instantly compare it to snap on and how it's "just as good." Like you said they obviously have never been on a tool truck and never held a quality tool in their life. Just because you can buy a 20 piece screwdriver set for 5 bucks using 13 different coupon's doesn't make them better than Snap on. I would rather have 1 great USA made screwdriver than 20 garbage ones. And that goes for all my tools. Quality over quantity! Plus I get to supporting local businesses so it's a win win to me.
I agree with you.. one thing you said that most people can't accept is that you said it's your opinion and your choice to own and buy what you want. I dont have a hf close to me and actually all i have is a lowes. I do however have a snap-on rep and I choose to buy more snap-on than anything. I have a good bit of kobalt and they're decent tools. But the majority of my tools are snap-on and will continue to be. I'm not in debt like people think comes along with tool trucks. You gotta use your head and buy what's in your means. For ME snap-on sets the industry standard on ratchets, sockets, and wrenches. Like you I've been a tool buyer for 20 years for professional use. One more thing I'd like to throw in is when I'm kinda on the fence about a purchase from my rep he always says here take it and use a week. If you like it then buy it but if not no big deal. That's a huge plus imo
As far as hand tools go, I agree, because 90% of my tools are snap on and they will come every week warranty my tools. However when it comes to tool storage, you cannot beat the bang for buck that harbor freight offers. 20 year master certified technician. Lately snap on has been the worst out of all the tool companies on warranties
You can beat buying off the truck by not sacrificing quality with buying a used box I've saw snap-on and macs on Facebook market place in excellent condition for the price of a 72 us general. I like to weight every option anymore you have a ton of options in this world to choose right at your finger tips!! Thank you for the great comment I really appreciate It much love!!
From what I'm seeing SnapOn doesn't warranty tools unless you have proof of purchase. Even Mr.Subaru confirmed this. That's pretty disappointing, I buy high end tools used. But looks like I don't get a warranty. So to be honest, SnapOn and others are using the Lifetime Warranty marketing ploy.
I like the fact you are honest don't like fake people. What I would like to see on any tool replacement if a company is making allot of tools and they are rebranding them and you break a tool that the company made but rebranding they name you should be able to take that tool to any place and have it replaced.
But I got to disagree with you on Snap on being a great company. It took 3 months to warranty a ratchet I sent to them, among with other tools and half of them didnt come back and I'm still waiting for my t50 1/2 socket from March
Snap on are great tools but the only thing on what they're best is marketing and make people to believe that they're number one. Best example are their cordless power tools and any china tools they rebrand
Warranty plans are a common way stored from car dealerships to stores make money. My son bought an expensive TV at Best Buy .They offered him a one or two year warranty he could by. Yet when he was telling us about the TV he said how great their warranty was for the first year. So I asked why would we by a one year warranty ? And the two year warranty became actually a one year warranty. It’s common practice to get in your wallet. It like have two health insurance policies. Only one pays .
You have to admit, HF honors their warranty usually no questions asked. Sears used to do that. As a mechanic you have a better understanding of what's needed. There is room for both HF and Truck tools. You did a great video. Just subbed. My channel makes fun of all this stuff, I wish u would check me out
I agree yes hf took very good care of my warranty on my sockets for the few that I have but the extended warranty was a complete joke I bought 2 warranties in 4 months. Which doesn't make sense when it should go full term.
I have a few Harbor Freight tool, the 24" breaker bar has actually shocked me. I don't think I can break it. But yeah, I hear you on the scam tatics being crap. Sadly that's a big reason I quit working on cars. I worked at a Dealership and what I saw and was expected to be a part of made me sick. People constantly got screwed on extended warranty stuff. I worked on a womans Sienna van that had a broken armrest that just flopped around. She was still under her extended warranty that paid EXTRA for. It turned out that the armrest was not an available replacement part. You had to replace the whole seat. That particular seat cost over $700 dollars. And they just "decided" that it won't be covered under extended warranty. That's just one of many rip offs I saw. Sometimes I wish I still worked on cars, but not at a dealer.
Great video, tire sales does the same thing, when you purchase warranty for the tires and need to replace them due to any circumstance you have to purchase the warranty again on the replacement tire.
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@@CPthetooladdict I wouldn't trade a mac matco or snapon for them either since you can buy the whole icon tool line for the cost of a mac matco snapon ratchet.
@@Moadar that's a pretty foolish statement considering the fact that icon is not that cheap the hundred fifty bucks for a set of Ratchet wrenches and I paid 229 for my Mac ones. But I guess a sucker is born every day.
@@CPthetooladdict I spent $200 for my wrights but they aren't ratcheting. I only buy cheap ratchet wrenches since I barely use them and they are break fairly easy anyway. We both know that we paid a premium.
Pittsburg pro ratchets and sockets are ok. I’ve beat on them pretty hard. The chrome extensions aren’t worth picking up, and the wrenches aren’t much better. Piss poor tolerances and bend and break. Meh.
@@dylanbland5993 yeah basically but the stubby Pittsburgh set that has metric and SAE is a good little light weight set. It seems the bigger the wrench the shittier they get in harbor freight. If you're starting off and want a big complete tool set for a DIY guy Husky sells good 300-400plus peice sets for short money
Basically anything is ok in a stubby wrench. I don’t generally buy hf stuff, but I have some. I bought a big husky set about 4 years ago...mostly for the sockets to put in my service truck. I’ve replaced all but the sockets and extensions (wrenches sucked), but I have no complaints with them.
This is an old video but still valid. Snap-On is the best tool brand hands down. What brand does NASA use, SpaceX, the US Military….Snap-On. The only issue is price. I’ve been looking at ICON for personal use, and tested some in the store but feel they are still Harbor Freight quality or less than. There’s a place for Harbor Freight in your tool lineup, but not the ICON hand tools if your want quality.
So I learned something a long time ago. Right tool for the right job. When I was a tech I would never buy hand tools from Harbor Freight. I went to Sears if I needed a tool and the truck wasnt going to be coming for a few days. Easy to exchange tools and for the most part I never had any issues with them. Now if I found a tool that would break regularly and I saw a tool truck varient that didn't from someone else in the shop I would buy that tool. Now that I do not turn wrenches for a living Harbor Freight has kinda become my new Sears. Hell my big tool box is a US General and that tool box has moved all over the country with 0 issues. I know that their tools are not truck replacements but it's something for me to use with my kids restoring vehicles and thankfully youtube has enough people testing tools to showcase what is and isn't crap.
I find it interesting that you say your us general holds up to multiple moves when we have guys that have them towed into shops from 2 miles away and the drawers break harbor freight is a waste of money in most case its throw away tools anything that says Pittsburgh is junk doyle Quinn and icon are the only thing and those brands are literally the same as everything on market just a different name. I literally can survive without harbor freight in a world where retail stores are going to be gone and warehouses will be the king harbor freight will be gone soon Amazon is killing it.
@@CPthetooladdict I purchased the 72 inch box back in 2015 while I was in the military and I moved 2 times before getting out in October of 2016 and loaded it into a trailer and drove it back to Florida. Since then it has moved 2 more times. I actually have a Pic of my son when he was a baby in one of the deep drawers. All the drawers work like butter and full of snap-on, matco, craftsman and other random brands. I do agree that for many of their tools are throw away. I have not tried the icon brand of tools or Doyle. I just remember how crappy Pittsburg was ages ago. Like I said before, tool wise I generally went to Sears when I didn't get something off a truck but now that they are gone I have been trying to find a tool that is dependable as older craftsman. I am actually for the first time in a while rebuilding some of my tool collection as several of my pliers have gone missing. If you have any recommendations I would love to hear what isn't China shit anymore and doesn't require me hunting down a tool truck here in Orlando.
Because fly-by-night idiots in the automotive repair industry are notorious for skipping out with tools that they never pay for. Try paying cash to a tool man instead of running a bill and see how much better price you can get.
Love your channel. I'm not a pro, just a home gamer. I only buy "things" from HF that I can't yet afford to buy a better or more legit version of. There are of course things as home car guy that I'd only use lightly and sparingly that I find no value in buying a better set. For one example, crow foot sockets. I needed one sized CFS for a rack I was working on so I spend the $20 and bought a set of sae&metric from HF. I'll probaably never use them again. :) (Hopefully I'll never use them again, lol.) I used SK tools in the Military and they are the best USA made value I can find so when I went to replace my older USA made Craftsman, I went with SK. Researching SK is how I found your channel. Keep up the great work.
I appreciate you watching I try to include everyone as a enthusiast buying expensive tools for a one time job is definitely foolish and completely unnecessary so I definitely agree!
I also have a couple 25/32 sockets. One is a bench top the other is a japanese no name. I do have a plomb double box end wrench that was my grandpas. 25/32 and 3/4. I was told years ago that there were alot of the 32nds were popular on aircraft fasteners.
Funny thing is I just can't believe I've had him for all these years and never realized it! That's awesome sure aircraft have some odd sizes maybe I just need to buy a plane now LOL thanks for the comment appreciate it!
Too much being said about icon tools etc.. everyone should be buying tools how they want,who they want to purchase from and the amount they want to spend on a tool. I just want to say thank you 🙏 all out there for the reviews and test runs. Yes it’s a big education for me to hear the review and see the results. Anyways I subscribed.
I want to give thanks to legit guys that support the industry want to continue to make it grow and protect their craft and I know good blue collar guys well! Thanks appreciate you're feedback!
You should have gotten an Atro ONYX cutt-off tool they are the bees knees. I would buy CAT stuff over Snap On for socket and wrench sets even screwdrivers. I love HF I buy all my big box stuff their, ie. presses toolboxes lockers shop supplies ect. Does my opinion count I worked with my dad as a teen at his diesel shop for free. Snappy guy came by every week, he bought me my first Snap On product a tool cart. Nothing special though showed up every week took all my dads money and I still got bitched at for running up the food truck tab. A great group of guys though.
Sweet rant...some good observations about quality companies - was not aware of the HF warranty but I assume most things at HF are one or two and disposable. Cheap is cheap
You're 100% correct but the bar is set by snap on they set a lot of industry standards with inovation and R and D. I promise you I'm not a snap on fan boy.
CP the tool addict 95% of my tools are snap on or Matco. They all make good tools just depends on per job application, but I agree they make a fine hand tool.
@ 4:00 you showed the chief cutoff. I have the exact same tool. With that being said two previous co-workers had that same tool, however one was branded as Matco and the other branded as Cornwell. The 3 tools were all branded differently but we're exactly the same. So I would agree to say that Harbor freight is cloning tools. But so it snap-on, matco, Mac, and Cornwell. Now to say that snap on holds it's value is 100% accurate. But some guys are buying what they can afford. I myself have a lot of Mac and snap on. But Mac tools quality has really taken a dive over the years. I have some USA made pliers and some Taiwan made pliers. Both look identical but you can feel and see the quality difference.
Not everything snapon, matco & Mac make is made in the USA.
Oh I'm more then well aware of that lol!!
I think it's only like 50%
Snap on makes about 85% in the us
Milwaukee makes better battery powered tools than Snap-On ever thought of.
I can't think of any company that makes 100% of their tools in the U.S., be their place of origin China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Vietnam, India, Germany, Czech, Mexico or other countries. They have their standards and must be met before those companies sell them to their customers.
I bought a set of snap-on wrenches back in 2005 and in 4 more years those babies will be paid off and all mine. Pretty sweet
Lol ain't that the truth good stuff
Haha foolish!
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I worked in a professional truck shop for years , when I first started , along with several other young technicians , we were all hard up on snap on tools , giving up half a paycheck every other week to the snap on man , our top lead tech/supervisor used to laugh at us for spending money like that , he's an old timer and all his tools were Craftsman ( the old stuff ) but he did have the specialty tools from snap on and Mac . I learned from him and started saving my money . With harbor freight you definitely have to pick and choose the tools . I've always walked out of harbor freight feeling good about my purchase
There are young mechanics out there spending a years salary on snap on boxes. Like it or not HF has stepped their game up in a big way. Quality tools for 1/4 the price. Warranty and price is where icon competes with the rest of the brands. Pro level tools for shade tree prices!? Hell yeah! Hurray for capitalism!
Life time as long as that company is around
I typically go with harbor freight tools. They seem to throw really well and it doesn’t hurt as bad when I can’t find it after I cool down.
Lmao
Cp, what's your opinion on on those icon boxes. Reason I ask. I have been a field mechanic for year largely working out of a truck. Now I'm back in the shop. And need something to put all the tools in. I have a hard time buying another truxk brand box. I did that in 06 and now I cringe thinking about spending that much on a box again
Not a fan of most things icon
He's a harborfreight hater....
Actually I hate harbor freight fanbois so if you're going to run your mouth say it correctly it's the people that are insufferable that I can't stand stupid little twarwaffles with no life ambition and low emotional intelligence.
@@CPthetooladdict damn bud 🤣 u spend way too much energy on this
It's called passion I give everything 110% something most people don't have the intestinal fortitude to do these days
My buddy buys and sells Mac ratchets. His friend sells them to him for 30-40 $ and he then resales them for the same msrp as Mac does. Mac sells these ratchets for 120$-140$ that's bullshit just like snapon is bullshit becuz there prices are way to high. That's a snake. I like Mac and snapon ratchets . But the markup is ridiculous. That's bs.
I'm a 15-year veteran and I've had snapon take up to five weeks to warranty a tool I go to Harbor Freight with my broken tool and they give me one off the shelf I use Harbor Freight Tools everyday and they don't let me down and when they do let me down I get a brand new one
So as a 15 yr veteran your ok with president and CEO eric smidt giving the Clinton's 100k in donations for there campaign but yet you think troll me about harbor freight is going to make me change my mind about exporting cheap Chinese knock of tools into the us? Just curious what your thoughts are appreciate your service and time!!
Hi there may I ask what kind of jumó pack did u bought from harbor freight? If u don’t mind me asking and u telling me ? Just wondering, this video popped up as a recommendation video , a lil to late
The 60 dollar one I believe it was pretty terrible
What do you think of their bluepoint line? And do you wrench for a living or just collect tools.
Not a fan of bluepoint unless it's something that it's a great deal usa made or exclusive
I was a millwright for close to 15 years. My boxes were full of Snap-on, Armstrong, Williams and the old Craftsman. They saw above average abuse but they were willing to take it and handled it better than the cheap Chinese or Taiwanese junk offered at the time. I agree they were superior products especially at the time. But to say Snap-on is the standard I disagree with. Here is why. I believe brands like Craftsman are the standard and Snap-On, MAC, Wright, Matco, etc are above the standard. Fact is now brands like Icon, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Pro, Craftsman, Kobalt, Etc are fine for entry level guys and guys who don't use their tools every day or abuse them heavily. I've learned over the years as long as your tools are backed by a lifetime guarantee that's one of most important things because even a Snap-on long handled ratchet breaks. I lost alot of my tools a few years back as one of my 20" hand boxes were stolen. I'm actually buying a Harbor Freight "US General" roller cab and buying alot of tools from the Icon line and Craftsman just because I don't use them every day and am now where near as hard on them. But for me to go spend another 400+ on a wrench set is unwarranted and I couldn't justify it. So the cheaper set while not as nice and not as durable in the long run will still be more than adequate for all that I will be using it for. And Snap-On, Matco, Mac and all those tool truck tool companies are just as interested in you as Harbor Freight is interested in its consumers. Otherwise they would make their products more affordable. You can't tell me $209 for a ratchet is even close to being reasonable. Even when I was buying Snsp-On the same ratchet was $120. Even if I went back to being a millwright I wouldn't spend $209 on a ratchet. I'd rather spend less and make 1 or 2 more trips to get it repaired or replaced.
I also love the fact that after watching this whole video at the end right after a harbor freight ad came on!😂😂😂
They pay me to talk shit about them it's the best thing ever then I can buy more snap-on
@@CPthetooladdict I’m dying!!!🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the great information.. your channel will be one of the best tool channels on TH-cam.. keep up the good work!
I have a several snap on ratchets lots of sockets and wrenches from them matco and I really like the old style Mac wrenches. That being said I have bought the icon long 3/8 flex ratchet and really like it. That being said snapon is a good company but their customer service has gone to shit it’s no where near the customer service that it used to be.
And I know a few master techs putting their busted snapon ratchets in their junk draws of their tool box. Because the new Snap On dealer and customer service won't warranty their tools. If they don't have the other 3 tool trucks. They're getting Icon.
Hey I have a question. I am thinking about getting a Daytona Jack from harbor freight. What do you think of those? People who turne a wrench for a living on TH-cam actually like them a lot. I think they're probably pretty good because there's not a lot of high tech technology that goes into making a jack and they have to pass safety standards. I would appreciate your insight.
buy it its a good price
@@CPthetooladdict Thanks!!
Snap on might not advertise on tv but what do you think those big billboard trucks they drive around are? Advertising!!!!!
That $40 icon ratchet can change the same spark plugs as a $200 Snap On ratchet
No it can't its recalled lol
@@CPthetooladdict bahaha like snap on is the only choice! Grab a Pittsburgh, husky, Kobalt, Duralast, Stanley, gearwrench and the list goes on hell I would use cheap China made ratchet from a flea market before I got on that rape van and gave the Snap-on guy a piece of my ass
@@lukemoser01 "...and gave the Snap-on guy a piece of my ass..." uuuhhh be careful watcha wish for..............hurts about a month !
South main auto is the best auto mechanic youtube channel, in my Opinion
I couldn't agree with you more Eric is a stand-up guy and definitely someone I looked up to! I've learned a few tricks from him and strive to be as good as him!
And his humor.
good friend uses a 25/32 on helicopter he looks after. we found them at a flea market.
I'm not about to ever let a HF tool touch my 8 thousand dollar race engine. LOL.
I had plenty of snap on products fail on me and some were a disaster. My orange handle breaker bar was a total joke found itself in two pieces. Had to ask another mechanic for his tool to finish the job. Thanks snap on and the replacement was nothing to brag about either took forever
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Crazy waffle I Def wouldn't let a guy use harbor freight on my airplane
My area went through like 5 snap on reps. Can’t get one to show up. My Matco guy is in business for 38 years. Snap on made me pay $68 for new tracks on my snap on box lol. Some warranty service lol
Walmart of the tool industry 😂 that’s awesome
Hes not wrong
It's true though lol
Matt, do you have shit for brains?!!!! Does Walmart warranty your broken tool on the spot???? Hell they most likely don’t even stock anything comparable!!
I've dealt with a snap-on tool truck and the rep was 'J-Demars'.. he never serviced my small shop upon his ''route'' and only cared about his big money finance routes. I completely understand that snap-on is suppose to be apart of the mechanical repair society but.. right now in my opinion, they are all independent contractors working for a major corporation pushing ''new'' tools, that don't really need to be sold to them for OVER RETAIL price.
Snap on- been making automotive techs broke since day one. Tools don’t make the man, the man makes the tools.
Marcus if you watch my previous videos you would realize that I'm not biased to one brand. I also have 20yrs experience and multiple ASE certificates and currently working on being a master tech I am passionate big difference between that and just buying tools I'm out perfecting my craft.
Love my snap-on I don't give a fu#k broke or not . It just tells me I'm doing some thing right if I can afford them. I must be a damm good tech lol
Felix Martinez just because you can afford snap on or the snap on payments doesn’t mean you’re a good tech. Just means you make enough for that payment.
Doesn't make me a bad one either. All I know I'm left is with a good product that I can can make a repair a vehicle.
Felix Martinez yes snap on is a good tool. But very over priced.
I have a pre 1927 Snap On 25/32 socket I bought used. I am not a professional, but I do have Snap On stuff. Took it to have the dealer I use look at it and he was super excited. Showed it to everyone in the shop I stopped at. I have never used it and don't plan on it either!
I'm a tech of over 15 years and I love icon tools I have snap on mac and every other brand that a truck sells cant beat walk in walk out warranty . im sick of buying tools off trucks and then waiting weeks for a replacement and then if they don't show up well .... imo hf is hands down the dyi or home shop go too .
I just found a 13/18 and 25/32 wrench ? Old Williams double open end
That's awesome very cool!!
My dad was GM paint body and suspension Tech for 25 years my brother was a ASE Certified mechanic Delta tool trucks all the time if a tool broke he had to wait a week Harbor Freight you break it you watching you replace it and you're not a slave to the Snap-on truck paying like $70 for a wrench ridiculous
Yep how many trips do you make to harbor freight before you could have bought at the same price?
Last years video popped up in my timeline, lol.
Let’s give this a bump.
Been a surface mine mechanic heavy diesel just about my whole working life my dad gave me all my tools they where Wright,Williams,SK,Proto they where heavy and older than i was at the time but those tools i still have in my box to this day the feel they have in hand is quality working art tools today just dont feel the way they do i love snapon but those 400 pounds of assorted wrenches ratchets sockets will never leave me good video keep up the honesty cause that ol buddy is a trait that is dying fast in this ol world
Yes sir I understand completely the mold S&K and Williams Wright tools we're definitely when men were doing some hard-ass work and those memories are priceless!
The coupon thing is frustrating I would go in there and buy a bunch of shop type supplies at one time.and felt i ngot penalized for buying stuff all at once.no 20 percent off and looking for coupons.
You could condense your message in half the time!
I was new at this.
I would agree with you 100% if I was a full time mechanic. However, since I am just a DIY guy who basically works on a lawn mower every once in a while, or who changes the oil or does basic maintenance on his motorcycles and vehicles, their tools aren't much different than the chinese or Taiwanese Craftsman, Husky, or Kobalt tools. The basic Pittsburg line isn't very good but some of the tools are much better, such as the Doyle or Quinn line. Works great for what I do. But no doubt, if I used my tools for hours and hours a day, every day, I'd get the best quality I could buy. BTW, my first set was a large set from Craftsman USA and I still have those (minus ones my wife and kids lost, lol). I think those 30 year old tools are better than the new tools by a long shot.
As a retired after 44 years mechanic I will respect your opinion . I'm experienced and smart enough to know what you are saying is pretty much pure opinion not fact. Your opinion is just that your opinion. I do own a two tool boxes full of Snap On tools. The last ten years they have just gotten insane in there pricing. So the question is is there a cheaper alternative than Snap On that will get the job done and the answer is yes. Your video comes across as ranting of a tool snob who doesn't understand the difference between tools good enough to do the job and tools that are the best. Snap On is way out of reach for the average DIY guy.
Well let's talk facts inflation is a part of life when's the last time you saw gas prices drop under a dollar it's been since 1997 since I've seen those prices.
@@CPthetooladdict your reply makes no sense at all . Inflation has nothing to do with this conversation. Of course tools cost more now than they used to,everything does. Snap On has always cost way more than other tools true when I started 44 years ago and true today . My point is you don't have to have the best and most expensive tool made to do the job. There is a place for Snap On and there is a place for lower cost alternatives.
@@greggpellicer6645 maybe you should watch my other videos because clearly I know this.
@@greggpellicer6645 there's a lot of fact in what I'm saying you're just as opinionated also.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. From what I've seen your videos mostly just your opinion and that's fine. I was right there with you 25 years ago. I to was a Snap On fan boy also before I got smart. The world is changing my friend and there are plenty of viable alternatives out there to tool truck tool's.
Finally someone with some sense. Thank you.
Not all that smart but I'm logical LOL thanks for watching
CP the tool addict you have what the others lack. These guys are doing “reviews” but they are nothing more than aesthetic assessments. Not sure why everyone is so on board without anything being proven. In 6-12 months if Icon is performing well then that’s great, but it’s all an unknown at this point. Guys in the Icon page are saying have 2 PCs everything so there is no down time if/when stuff breaks. Just blind following the blind.
@@Rainmakerlm definitely couldn't agree more I've been burned to many times by this is the latest and greatest and then it's a turd!!! Thanks I appreciate your support!!!
If you like me check out @ resto rods TH-cam hes on the same page!!
Thanks for the video from the tradesman's perspective.
Only certain Snap-On tools are still made in the USA. Most hand tools are still made in their facilities in Milwaukee and other U.S. manufacturing locations, but products like their cordless power drill kit are made in China, among other countries.
Yes I know they are making the air tools in north Carolina which is good!!!
To say snap-on takes care of their customers WOW, Where? snap-on needs to backup their tools whether you're the first owner or the 5th owner! And their salesmen should always take back or exchange any of their products that fail.
You're the second owner of every tool that comes off a tool truck. The guy that drives that has to buy all the crap himself.
Great video. i like to hear your thoughts. take care.
Bottom line, they all get the job done. I prefer to save my money but if snap on was the same price id buy them.
I love the feel of snap on ratchets and ratchet wrenches!! No comparison!!
Every icon toolbox is in a personal garage that I saw. No one using it daily in a shop.
Professional DIY lol
The icon tool box doesn’t have a market they are to expensive for diyers and professionals are going to buy tool trucks for the financing. And can we please stop comparing icon to snap on . Icon is overpriced compared to box store brands and warranty is not as good . Snap-on, Mac , Cornwall have been made in the USA I realize that not everything they make is still made in the USA but everything icon makes is Chinese. Snap-on, MAC , Cornwell, SK , Proto and Wright tools have been around longer than communist party in China.
I have old 25/32 wrench's and sockets old Craftsman I inherited from my dad I'm 52 and he had them before I was born but I have never used them but I still hang on to them maybe some day I will need it for some old machine.
Why but the jump pack from harbor freight? I would have figured you for a snap on jump pack.
I had a Mac one which is basically the same as JNC also snap on rebrands the same I seen a lot of good reviews and a buddy of mine said it was great for him so I gave it a shot he told me to make sure I got the 2-year warranty also so you know how it goes sometimes buying tools I have a pretty good mixture of tools if you watch my vids I'm not really loyal to one brand maybe more mac than anything.
Tools to me like Snap on, Matco, Mac are like the 3 main trucks, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge. It’s all about what you like.
Great Video C Well Said .. I'm Loving This Right Now You Just Hit On Key Points from many different angles
Justin Dow is the man he talks about all tools not just one brand what I like and he seams to give his honest opinion
Unfortunately I do not follow alot of the people I Mention in this this video anymore talking about different tools is excellent and I am glad you enjoy his channel.
CP the tool addict I look forward to seeing more of your videos I like it that ur not doing it for money or free tools have you seen the new Milwaukee sockets ?
@@teresaraney2147 I have not unfortunately i have so many sockets now I tend to over look basic stuff like that anymore lol
At a boy great video! Thanks for sharing 👍
Bud, its a business, your helping them sale their tools an boxs.. Who cares if HF compares their tools to Snap On or any other tool, if they make a better tool than what they have before, its a better tool (than what they have done), regaurdless its a tool, it shouldnt matter if Snap On is king of tools lol, why worry abought a underdog, a ICON tool, if ICON cant hurt /touch Snap On.
Im not mad at all... You have your opinion an its important for many folks to see your side..
Warranty's are only as good as the place that has a future.. warrantys some day may not be any good for any tool.
Heck, I spend way too much on top of the line machining tools lol, any machinist will tell you, a tool is a tool, its who makes the tool an the percision they take to make a great tool !
Lets not forget, tools dont make a man, a man makes a tool what it is 😁👍👍
You're absolutely right that's why I trust businesses that have been in service for many many years technically Harbor Freight is the little brother in the tool industry they employ twice as many people as snap on are worth the same but send more money overseas then any other company. Icon is a way for them to beat the tariffs and seem loyal to there customers brand loyalty isn't as important to me as people are!! I appreciate your comments very much!!!
Talk about marketing ploy snap-on wrote the book when you pay that much for something that they have made for $5. Nobody got rich because they used snap-on, a whole lot of people made millions because you use snap on.
@@CPthetooladdict how's that beating the tariffs? They're still made overseas
@@SDMFTommySick I'm not here to stick up for Snap-on okay I'm not a snap on Fanboy but I know what the facts are. Such as air tools are made in North Carolina wrenches are made in Tennessee sockets and ratchets are made in Milwaukee and Wisconsin but you know the people that are hard-working Americans that you want a negate their jobs and say their products are being made overseas shows me that doing research is not something that is in your wheelhouse.
@@CPthetooladdict no I never said anything negative about the tools. My problem with Snap-On is there customer service and sale practices lately. And I never said anything about snap-on's being made overseas you made a comment about harbor freight using the icon series to get around the tariffs and I was asking how they're doing it if they're still made overseas
Harbor Freight is the Dollar store for men.
Somethings they sell have come a long way.
The Icon box is too expensive.
Their other boxes are decent for the price range.
Harbor Freight is channeling the weekend warrior who wants a lot of tools for cheap prices.
Also newer Mechanics starting out. You can buy cheap tools instead of getting hooked on the tool truck.
I can tell you after owning a Snap On box for over 30 years it’s still holding strong.
Harbor Freight does not sell a extended warranty. it is a replacement plan. They will replace anything you bring back within the time frame, no questions asked. It has been explained in several videos on youtube. The harbor Freight near me does not ask if you want an extended warranty, they specifically say "would you like a replacement plan with that?"
That's not what I was told it was a 2 years extended warranty so obviously they need to spend more time training their cashiers the wording makes a big difference obviously you can tell that.
Just an FYI, 19/32 and 25/32 are machinist sizes
So im not a mechanic, but I do appreciate the video and u speaking the real deal. Im in HVAC and also do some carpentry, the tools i use daily and buy are Milwaukee. The store i get them from are pricy but i feel like any good tool is gonna have some type of price to it. I need a tool box and would've loved to have a Snap On or Mac but i can not afford that. Harbor Freight has a box i like for a reasonable price. I dont expect it'll last a lifetime and maybe someday ill be able to get something better
You are very welcome anything I can do to lend a hand I try!!
At 1:26 though you say they set the standard. That is more than likely true, although California set the standard for EPA garbage and looked how that’s turning out for the rest of us... not all standards mean they are good. Snap on still makes good tools don’t get me wrong.
Harbor Frieght should make bug lights and extra wide camera lenses
Oh and I have my dad's 25/32 wrench. I will have to show it sometime.
I agree with you about the den, I started watching him from the beginning and I was a fan till I figured out what he actually does
Just a dude that does research on the internet and shows tools doesn't actually use them.
Dude I laughed my ass off when you said 25/32 I have one too it’s an Old made in Chicago “Indestro Super” socket I inherited from my Dad. I ran into it last week and was saying the same exact thing, “ I don’t think I’ve ever seen another 25/32 socket, & I know I’ve never even used this socket.“, So holy shit that made me lmfao I had to pause the video cause I was laughing so hard. I couldn’t believe someone else had one. It most of been more common back in 50s & 60s
Here is a memo from Redemption Garage that Icon (aka HF) is recalling there 3/8 flex head 10 " and 14 ' in the comfort grip and regular as they have a tendency to lock up do to a lack of lubrication. He opened his and added grease and has not had any problems but others have
Oldie but a goodie
Good stuff CP!
Much appreciated
I don't think Harbor Freight is bad, for the price. You have to remember that they aren't trying to charge a lot for their tools. They are great for homeowners. Obviously, for a pro, Snap On and others should be used. I like Tekton tools, they are a good price and high quality.
They promote bad economic growth in America and support reverse engineering and bait and switch marketing do you really want to spend your money with a company that intentions are to fool you into buying products based on a ad comparison that is strictly money based? they intentionally compare to products that are priced the same but they under preform drastically!! That's my point we have lost the ability to be honest and we lie to everyone now....not me I'm still here to do things right.
@@CPthetooladdict You know what I see whenever I walk into Harbor Freight? I see American Workers earning a living. The stores are actually privately owned and not franchised, and the employees are happy to work there. Now if Harbor Freight went out of business, thousands of workers would lose their jobs. Not to mention the American workers who work in various distribution centers. I can guarantee you that your Snap On tools have Taiwanese and Chinese made components in them. Yes, USA made is better but for the average homeowner, these are decent tools. And as far as I can see, the comparisons are marketing. Of course its not all going to be true. Thats why you go to Harbor Freight and look at the tools.
Lol you call that a job a company that makes billions and the average income is less then 30k a year snap-on provides higher paying jobs and skilled labor to the economy they aren't even on the same level you just want to justify your cheap garbage like every other tight ass on TH-cam tell me how American a guy that makes billions is but pays minimum wage to thousands eric schmidt also basically killed his father and sued him and had him removed from a company he started. The one thing I know for sure is people like you are just wanting to prove something but at the end of the day you cant fix 100% of your own problems on your vehicle and then have to ask guys like me to help but try to tell me what I should or shouldn't buy!! I've been doing this professional it's my job you're a hack and you only know what you don't know!
@@CPthetooladdict They are still American workers all the same. I'm not telling you to not buy Snap On. I buy Snap On too. I'm just saying that Harbor Freight isn't a bad option for some. Actually, Harbor Freight has a starting wage of $12 an hour, which is a tad higher than the minimum wage in most states. Without minimum wage jobs, this country will not operate. Here you are saying that we should support American jobs, but wait! Only HIGH PAYING American jobs. Your claims about Eric Schmidt are unfounded. I don't even buy most of my stuff at Harbor Freight. I buy lots from companies like Tekton, and like I said, also Snap On. If you are a weekend warrior, why should you go out and spend THOUSANDS of dollars on tools? It just doesn't make sense. By the way, I am very skilled at mechanical work and I am getting into an apprenticeship at a dealership soon. I have ran a small engine repair shop out of my parents house since I was 13 years old, that I have built from the ground up over time and am still building today. And here you go claiming I'm a hack. Wow.
The facts are absolutely founded its was was a court case that is in on record that eric fired and had his own father removed from the board more facts that you just want to argue your a kid that wants respect and you are trying to convince a 20yr professional that has seen all aspects of the tool industry you have no idea about what really goes on in the shadows of the tool industry harbor freight offers nothing that's not ripped off from someone else's hard work they stand for everything that's wrong in buisnesses today....take a hard look at the world not your own wallet and maybe you will begin to understand why this country is falling behind in technology because we have mentality like yours step over a dollar to save a dime. We need more skilled jobs in this country not minimum wage jobs that do not promote education and skill. You're wrong deal with it. I care about America not my bank account.
Hey bud. This is the first video I've seen from you. I'mma tell ya. You reeled me in. I definitely like your delivery maybe it's your style of speaking coming from those years as a mechanic. With that said..I'm gonna bust your balls a little. I'm also a mechanic with a back ground in avionics. Been in my trade for just about 18 years. I found it funny that you were having a lil trouble distinguishing a # 2 Phillips from a #3 to the point where you had to read it. 😂. Hey it's all love. Again I did enjoy your video. I myself have a very healthy mix of tools. Allot of snap on. But Shai the mix of harbor freight stuff. I don't have any icon. Though. What I have been pleased with is the Doyle crimpers and cutters. With a heavy electronics background,. I've had all names channel lock, snap on,. Crescent etc. For sure the Doyle felt the best in my grip. That a personal preference. Anyways. Keep up the great content. Again first video and you got me
Thanks I appreciate it and employ you to heckle me anytime! I definitely know the difference but I'm by no means the best I'm a jack of all trades master of none thanks for watching!!!
Your Grandpa sounds like he was a good man. I get better service from *Snap-On/Matco and MAC.* Great video. Plus the tools from Snap-On/Matco/MAC are made in USA and provide good jobs. Like you said they don't understand.
@@RenegadesGarage Matco does stand behind their warranty and they have a lot of specialty tools available. Their Matco 88 ratchets their design is awesome (aware they may not make everything). As long as they service what they sell I am good with it. 👍
@@RenegadesGarage Thanks Renegade 😁
I'm with you. I can't stand Harbor Freight. But i really can't stand the Harbor Freight customer mentality and how they instantly compare it to snap on and how it's "just as good." Like you said they obviously have never been on a tool truck and never held a quality tool in their life.
Just because you can buy a 20 piece screwdriver set for 5 bucks using 13 different coupon's doesn't make them better than Snap on. I would rather have 1 great USA made screwdriver than 20 garbage ones. And that goes for all my tools. Quality over quantity!
Plus I get to supporting local businesses so it's a win win to me.
Sounds like you've never used any of their tools other than Pittsburgh junk, if you did those words would have never have came out of your mouth.
I agree with you.. one thing you said that most people can't accept is that you said it's your opinion and your choice to own and buy what you want. I dont have a hf close to me and actually all i have is a lowes. I do however have a snap-on rep and I choose to buy more snap-on than anything. I have a good bit of kobalt and they're decent tools. But the majority of my tools are snap-on and will continue to be. I'm not in debt like people think comes along with tool trucks. You gotta use your head and buy what's in your means. For ME snap-on sets the industry standard on ratchets, sockets, and wrenches. Like you I've been a tool buyer for 20 years for professional use. One more thing I'd like to throw in is when I'm kinda on the fence about a purchase from my rep he always says here take it and use a week. If you like it then buy it but if not no big deal. That's a huge plus imo
I've gotten gold tools from hf and junk tools. But it hurts alot more when I buy a tool truck tool and its junk. I like your video.
As far as hand tools go, I agree, because 90% of my tools are snap on and they will come every week warranty my tools. However when it comes to tool storage, you cannot beat the bang for buck that harbor freight offers. 20 year master certified technician. Lately snap on has been the worst out of all the tool companies on warranties
You can beat buying off the truck by not sacrificing quality with buying a used box I've saw snap-on and macs on Facebook market place in excellent condition for the price of a 72 us general. I like to weight every option anymore you have a ton of options in this world to choose right at your finger tips!! Thank you for the great comment I really appreciate It much love!!
From what I'm seeing SnapOn doesn't warranty tools unless you have proof of purchase. Even Mr.Subaru confirmed this. That's pretty disappointing, I buy high end tools used. But looks like I don't get a warranty. So to be honest, SnapOn and others are using the Lifetime Warranty marketing ploy.
Great video man I completely agree
I have just found a 25/32 and standard went here in the UK ages ago!
Subbed like your honesty and humour.👍
I like the fact you are honest don't like fake people.
What I would like to see on any tool replacement if a company is making allot of tools and they are rebranding them and you break a tool that the company made but rebranding they name you should be able to take that tool to any place and have it replaced.
Thanks I Def can't stand people that lie to sell something they don't 1000% believe in
But I got to disagree with you on Snap on being a great company. It took 3 months to warranty a ratchet I sent to them, among with other tools and half of them didnt come back and I'm still waiting for my t50 1/2 socket from March
Snap on are great tools but the only thing on what they're best is marketing and make people to believe that they're number one. Best example are their cordless power tools and any china tools they rebrand
Negative do better research fake news
Warranty plans are a common way stored from car dealerships to stores make money. My son bought an expensive TV at Best Buy .They offered him a one or two year warranty he could by. Yet when he was telling us about the TV he said how great their warranty was for the first year. So I asked why would we by a one year warranty ? And the two year warranty became actually a one year warranty. It’s common practice to get in your wallet. It like have two health insurance policies. Only one pays .
It was a good video bro. Keep up the good work.
You have to admit, HF honors their warranty usually no questions asked. Sears used to do that. As a mechanic you have a better understanding of what's needed. There is room for both HF and Truck tools. You did a great video. Just subbed. My channel makes fun of all this stuff, I wish u would check me out
I agree yes hf took very good care of my warranty on my sockets for the few that I have but the extended warranty was a complete joke I bought 2 warranties in 4 months. Which doesn't make sense when it should go full term.
@@CPthetooladdict ,agree, it's like a pro rated battery.
@@MajorWeakness exactly
Should be called Extend-able warranty not extended lol
I have a few Harbor Freight tool, the 24" breaker bar has actually shocked me. I don't think I can break it. But yeah, I hear you on the scam tatics being crap. Sadly that's a big reason I quit working on cars. I worked at a Dealership and what I saw and was expected to be a part of made me sick. People constantly got screwed on extended warranty stuff. I worked on a womans Sienna van that had a broken armrest that just flopped around. She was still under her extended warranty that paid EXTRA for. It turned out that the armrest was not an available replacement part. You had to replace the whole seat. That particular seat cost over $700 dollars. And they just "decided" that it won't be covered under extended warranty. That's just one of many rip offs I saw. Sometimes I wish I still worked on cars, but not at a dealer.
I thought this was going to be a unbiased opinion and It really isn't. One thing your right about Is Den of Fools dude Is a total shill.
GREAT VIDEOS !!!!
Great video, tire sales does the same thing, when you purchase warranty for the tires and need to replace them due to any circumstance you have to purchase the warranty again on the replacement tire.
Key Words of Day Great Companies and Businesses Do Not half to advertise #YouAlreadyKnow Take Care of your Customers and your customers will take care of you
I think the icon ratchets are comparable to the tool truck ratchets, you should go check em out on that I got the 1/4 inch
I did check them out I still wouldn't trade any of my snap on Mac or Matco for them I just don't have any need for any more ratchets
@@CPthetooladdict I wouldn't trade a mac matco or snapon for them either since you can buy the whole icon tool line for the cost of a mac matco snapon ratchet.
@@Moadar that's a pretty foolish statement considering the fact that icon is not that cheap the hundred fifty bucks for a set of Ratchet wrenches and I paid 229 for my Mac ones. But I guess a sucker is born every day.
@@CPthetooladdict I spent $200 for my wrights but they aren't ratcheting. I only buy cheap ratchet wrenches since I barely use them and they are break fairly easy anyway. We both know that we paid a premium.
@@Moadar at least the Wrights are USA made and have a proven track record I have nothing bad to say about them
Idk about ICON brand but the Pittsburgh wrenches are complete garbage but their impact sockets are outstanding for the price.
I seen them in the store and they weren’t even straight they looked bowed
My China impacts sockets from harbor Frieght work great
Pittsburg pro ratchets and sockets are ok. I’ve beat on them pretty hard. The chrome extensions aren’t worth picking up, and the wrenches aren’t much better. Piss poor tolerances and bend and break. Meh.
@@dylanbland5993 yeah basically but the stubby Pittsburgh set that has metric and SAE is a good little light weight set. It seems the bigger the wrench the shittier they get in harbor freight. If you're starting off and want a big complete tool set for a DIY guy Husky sells good 300-400plus peice sets for short money
Basically anything is ok in a stubby wrench. I don’t generally buy hf stuff, but I have some. I bought a big husky set about 4 years ago...mostly for the sockets to put in my service truck. I’ve replaced all but the sockets and extensions (wrenches sucked), but I have no complaints with them.
Ur money is ur money mine is mine love it 100% true
This is an old video but still valid. Snap-On is the best tool brand hands down. What brand does NASA use, SpaceX, the US Military….Snap-On. The only issue is price. I’ve been looking at ICON for personal use, and tested some in the store but feel they are still Harbor Freight quality or less than. There’s a place for Harbor Freight in your tool lineup, but not the ICON hand tools if your want quality.
So I learned something a long time ago. Right tool for the right job. When I was a tech I would never buy hand tools from Harbor Freight. I went to Sears if I needed a tool and the truck wasnt going to be coming for a few days. Easy to exchange tools and for the most part I never had any issues with them. Now if I found a tool that would break regularly and I saw a tool truck varient that didn't from someone else in the shop I would buy that tool. Now that I do not turn wrenches for a living Harbor Freight has kinda become my new Sears. Hell my big tool box is a US General and that tool box has moved all over the country with 0 issues. I know that their tools are not truck replacements but it's something for me to use with my kids restoring vehicles and thankfully youtube has enough people testing tools to showcase what is and isn't crap.
I find it interesting that you say your us general holds up to multiple moves when we have guys that have them towed into shops from 2 miles away and the drawers break harbor freight is a waste of money in most case its throw away tools anything that says Pittsburgh is junk doyle Quinn and icon are the only thing and those brands are literally the same as everything on market just a different name. I literally can survive without harbor freight in a world where retail stores are going to be gone and warehouses will be the king harbor freight will be gone soon Amazon is killing it.
@@CPthetooladdict I purchased the 72 inch box back in 2015 while I was in the military and I moved 2 times before getting out in October of 2016 and loaded it into a trailer and drove it back to Florida. Since then it has moved 2 more times. I actually have a Pic of my son when he was a baby in one of the deep drawers. All the drawers work like butter and full of snap-on, matco, craftsman and other random brands. I do agree that for many of their tools are throw away. I have not tried the icon brand of tools or Doyle. I just remember how crappy Pittsburg was ages ago. Like I said before, tool wise I generally went to Sears when I didn't get something off a truck but now that they are gone I have been trying to find a tool that is dependable as older craftsman. I am actually for the first time in a while rebuilding some of my tool collection as several of my pliers have gone missing. If you have any recommendations I would love to hear what isn't China shit anymore and doesn't require me hunting down a tool truck here in Orlando.
If Snap On gave one shit about the mechanic why would they charge you 10K for 2K worth of tools? Its all business dude.
Because fly-by-night idiots in the automotive repair industry are notorious for skipping out with tools that they never pay for. Try paying cash to a tool man instead of running a bill and see how much better price you can get.
Love your channel. I'm not a pro, just a home gamer. I only buy "things" from HF that I can't yet afford to buy a better or more legit version of. There are of course things as home car guy that I'd only use lightly and sparingly that I find no value in buying a better set. For one example, crow foot sockets. I needed one sized CFS for a rack I was working on so I spend the $20 and bought a set of sae&metric from HF. I'll probaably never use them again. :) (Hopefully I'll never use them again, lol.) I used SK tools in the Military and they are the best USA made value I can find so when I went to replace my older USA made Craftsman, I went with SK. Researching SK is how I found your channel. Keep up the great work.
I appreciate you watching I try to include everyone as a enthusiast buying expensive tools for a one time job is definitely foolish and completely unnecessary so I definitely agree!
So glad that I came across your channel. Well done and keep it up.
I also have a couple 25/32 sockets. One is a bench top the other is a japanese no name. I do have a plomb double box end wrench that was my grandpas. 25/32 and 3/4. I was told years ago that there were alot of the 32nds were popular on aircraft fasteners.
Funny thing is I just can't believe I've had him for all these years and never realized it! That's awesome sure aircraft have some odd sizes maybe I just need to buy a plane now LOL thanks for the comment appreciate it!
Den of tools is a den of a fool
Too much being said about icon tools etc.. everyone should be buying tools how they want,who they want to purchase from and the amount they want to spend on a tool. I just want to say thank you 🙏 all out there for the reviews and test runs. Yes it’s a big education for me to hear the review and see the results. Anyways I subscribed.
Good video brother I respect that and appreciate your input.
I want to give thanks to legit guys that support the industry want to continue to make it grow and protect their craft and I know good blue collar guys well! Thanks appreciate you're feedback!
You should have gotten an Atro ONYX cutt-off tool they are the bees knees. I would buy CAT stuff over Snap On for socket and wrench sets even screwdrivers. I love HF I buy all my big box stuff their, ie. presses toolboxes lockers shop supplies ect. Does my opinion count I worked with my dad as a teen at his diesel shop for free. Snappy guy came by every week, he bought me my first Snap On product a tool cart. Nothing special though showed up every week took all my dads money and I still got bitched at for running up the food truck tab. A great group of guys though.
Astro makes amazing stuff no disagreements with you at all!
Sweet rant...some good observations about quality companies - was not aware of the HF warranty but I assume most things at HF are one or two and disposable. Cheap is cheap
There's a lot of people scared to talk bad about a tool company I'm not I'm not here to kiss anybody's ass the truth is all I'm here for.
you have to do what works for you bro!!!!! i dont care for people that would hate on you for liking what they like you go man i like harbor freight
Exactly 💯
Statistically speaking Stanley is the number one tool company in the world. Snap on is tiny compared to Stanley. Feel free to google search it .
You're 100% correct but the bar is set by snap on they set a lot of industry standards with inovation and R and D. I promise you I'm not a snap on fan boy.
CP the tool addict 95% of my tools are snap on or Matco. They all make good tools just depends on per job application, but I agree they make a fine hand tool.
Stanley owns mac tools also. They make a great affordable product