Assassin's Creed Valhalla - Tombs of the Fallen Part 2 Analysis (Secrets & Ties to the old AC Games)
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- Our Story Analysis of Part 2 of the Tombs of the Fallen activity for Assassin’s Creed Valhalla is finally here! Subscribe to our channel 👉 tinyurl.com/5n6szmkd
In the video we are going to fully focus on the Isu Vault at the end of the activity, the Rah Cel’Eze AI, and how most of the story here revolves around the development, selection and failure of the Second Method of Salvation.
We are also going to discuss the Sword of Eden available at the end of the activity and its ties with Assassin’s Creed Unity, the full story of the Isu Hildr, which comes full circle here, some pretty avoidable lore issues, and the beautiful tribute to Narrative Designer Russell Lees.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:51 Context - Tombs of the Fallen Part 1
03:15 The Lead Up to the Isu Vault
05:14 Meeting The Rah Cel’Eze AI
09:03 The Rings of Eden Initiative & the Second Method of Salvation
12:56 Eivor’s Task in the Eden Ring Station
14:31 An Explanation for Eivor’s Slowness
15:52 The Aftermath of the Second Method Shutdown
18:22 The Full Story of Hildr the Valkyrie
22:11 The Story of the Blazing Sword (Sword of Eden)
25:10 The Isu Timeline Controversy
27:25 The Ending of Tombs of the Fallen
29:20 Is it the Sword of Eden from AC Unity?
SOURCES
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Rings / Shards of Eden Footage via @tetraninja: • ASSASSIN'S CREED 3 REM...
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Assassin’s Creed Unity Prologue via @JamesInDigital: • Assassin's Creed Unity...
Assassin’s Creed Unity Ending via @tetraninja: • Assassin's Creed Unity...
Isu Soldier picture via the Eivor’s Wardrobe mod for Assassin’s Creed Valhalla: www.nexusmods.com/assassinscr...
Assassin’s Creed II ending by @TheGamesHD: • Assassins Creed 2 Ending
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I really got Déjà vu vibes, when I saw the Sword of Eden.
And it came to me, when I saw the big holographic head. That this must how Mimir must have really looked like. If the mythical veil wasn't in Odin's memories.
Great video you guys have done!
Thank you so much! Lots of lore discussion in this one, and lots of interesting Isu content in there as well!
We also discussed the Mimir stuff in there
Btw, in ACIII, in one of the conversations with Shaun, Desmond says that the First CIv knew about the Toba catastrophe hundres of years before it happen. So this is not exactly a retcon, they're just inconsistent. This is from the first time you can leave the animues in the game.
I took that as they didn't take it that seriously and until it finally came up them and tried to come up with several way to avoid destruction. Furthermore judging by what Odyssey and Valhalla was going for the ISU clearly had political issues and infighting which delayed the tasks even more.
@@pixelcount350 yup, all that and the war with the humans
@@PedroReiis Yeah, I forgot about that.
"They asked for the world, then just a country, then just a city--"
They were so caught up in their pettiness they sabotaged each other's attempts at survival and delayed their own progress. After Odin had a solution for himself, he didnt care about his subjects anymore.
lets go to another half hour of lore analysis S2
Ha! It's out at last, been working on this for more than a week 😅
26:22 I wouldn't read too far into it. I'm sure Juno and Minerva meant human centuries when talking.
Also, it's not too much of a stretch to assume the Isu had a different calendar system, but that wouldn't change the length of a year! The Mesoamericans, which had Isu connections, used a base 20 calendar, so they counted years in multiples of twenty: 20 years in a Ka'tun instead of 10 years in a Decade, 400 years in a Bʼakʼtun instead of 100 years in a Century, 8000 years in a Piktun instead of 1000 years in a Millenium, etc. But a Mayan year was still roughly 365 days.
I like the idea that they just keep it vague...keeps the element of mystery to it all. This one line of dialogue could have messed up all past assumptions but also could have just made the mystery more, erm... 🤔 'mysterious' 🤷♂️ and I kinda like that.
Definitely reading too much into it, every thing was kept vague enough that Minerva could have meant they were busy with other things (rather than just the war against humans) before they payed any real care to the catastrophe even if they knew from before.
I think this "human count" was to justify a hole in the Odyssey script where Aleteia says that humans killed each other with spears more than 100 thousand years ago. When we had access to a document that said that humans were not made that long ago, but in the Xisu era (I don't remember). I think Ubisoft didn't remember this super specific manual that said the Isu war started 10 human years before lol (Google translate) 🇧🇷
Don't you think that the name "Blazing Sword" and the scene with the Valkyrie and the 2 humans could be connected with the biblical episode of Adam and Eve, clothed in animal skins, kicked out from the Eden by a Cherubim holding a flaming sword?
What…. Archangel Michael’s flaming sword……nah…..I watched too much lucifer for the last month
I'd say that's a pretty solid comparison. It definitely fits with the Valkyrie outfit AND the "blazing sword" and cowering humans.
huh yeah, that's a pretty good comparison and theory. We already know that isu technology was associated with biblical lore from the bible hence pieces of Eden, the apple, story of adam and eve (Them being the first humans to revel against the isu). So yeah it would stand to reason this is a good possibility. Valkyries and Angles both could be seen as servants (and/or) warriors to the reigning (head) God(s) in Norse and Christian mythology respectively. The God(s) being higher status and prominent isu members (Odin, Juno, Jupiter, etc). Plus we know how the same isu reference is perceived differently based on the culture and time period of humans. Hence, it stands to reason to the Norse it was a valkyrie with a flaming sword; to the Christians, it was an angel.
@@trinc5621 How dare you call Christianity mythology! jk I think that too
Oh shit I just realized something that makes your theory more plausable. dead on I forgot the sword is located at eden ring station. Eden.... garden of eden idk why this just clicked for me
winged humanoids protecting a place called "EDEN ring station" by using a "blasing sword" and keeping the humans away from it? Doesn't this sound a lot like the biblical stories of angels with blazing swords protecting the gates of Eden and keeping humanity outside?
Sounds like SCP lol
I don't think we need to reconsider what all other Isu said in terms of years. We always assumed that they were speaking to us using our terms to make things a little easier to understand.
Great video❗️thanks for taking the time to make these long analysis videos an show how much the games connect to each other. I got chills when the AC3 music started playing an also when I saw the Blazing Sword
Thank YOU for watching!
We really try our best to discuss all the connections and details and Tombs of the Fallen 2 had lots of those!
we got Eivor having a damn brain at the cost of the whole damn timeline
By far the best content of post game. Sure lorewise it's not precise (Valhalla as a whole isn't precise with it) but it was a breath of fresh air with all the puzzles instead of being nothing but combar
Excellent video, as always! I'm late to the party, but I agree, the TOTF has been the best Post Launch content, in my opinion, followed by the Mastery Challenges. Both of which brought back old-school vibes from traditional AC gameplay of the past. I can always count on the ATA team to deliver any analysis with accuracy and call out reckless inconsistencies/retcons.
Great analysis as always. Love the longer videos!
Love this channel. Love AC lore (when done right) and this channel does it absolutely right 👌
Thank You 🇮🇹🇬🇧
Thank you so much Ryan, glad you enjoy the channel and our videos!
I have been waiting for this one , thank you Markuz
Thank you for watching!
Hope they show ISU perspective of Asgard, like i still wonder is Fenrir is just powerful ISU that its getting Norse perspective as giant wolf, or its actually become a monster like in Odyssey that have ISU artifact that could turn human into monster.
I dont really want to play real ISU game but i still want to know the real ISU cutscene
I don’t think they were actual monsters, but who knows… If Fenrir was a monster that resembled a giant wolf than Jormungandur would have to had been a giant serpent as well, which really doesn’t fit anymore. Not to mention Hel that was their sister, bit she isn’t described or presented as a giant animal. I don’t know, the mythological veil concept is starting to annoy me.
Rah could simply have been an AI put in charge of the project by Idunn.
Ha, true, I guess they could have been both working on the project, though it’s still fuzzy as for who was the author / creator - then again, it’s not a huge deal to begin with 😅
@@AccessAnimus my guess is, Rah invented the eden ring as said. But Idun had thebidea to use it to deflect the solar flare. Becoming the 2nd method. Then, when Idun (i guess with the help of Rah then) created the cault, he used his omage for the AI tonpay him a tribute.
This would make sense lore wise whole still paying Russel Lees a tribute
I'm trying to sort the post launch into a proper Timeline and my best take for this is its just before she head to Norway although it could be after since Eivor doesn't seem all to shocked to see the Isu tech. Great video, this was by far the best batch of free content.
I think it's best to fit it between the Odyssey Crossover and Eivor's journey to Norway. She's introduced to some weird tech in Skye, so she'd be more familiar with seeing ISU tech, but still bewildered by the whole experience.
I suppose you could play it after Vinland and before Norway too, but I prefer to play Vinland after Norway. It just seems like a fitting end when she describes her tales to the Native Americans.
I called an Analysis Video from You guys on JorRaptors channel lol hope to see you guys back to streaming soon 👍🏽 and nice timing with the upload was just about to sleep and you guys upload guess I’m not sleeping for a bit 😂
Haha, you just need to think of an analysis by us, and it will happen!
Take your time though, this is a long one!
Loved this vid
Really enjoy watching your videos and the effort and dedication you put into them. Part 2 had me very giddy with the AC3 music and more Isu lore. The inconsistencies are why I still wish AC had a loremaster the way Star Wars does. Still, it was a touching tribute and a lot more than I was expecting. Descending into the Isu vault was very satisfying and I just had a big grin seeing a floating Isu face talking. :D
Star wars had a lore master? What happened to that with the current movies?
The thing i hate with AC right now, is how Juno is killed on comics instead of video game.
Imagine if someone points out "where the hell is Juno now?" since last time we saw her (in modern times) was at Syndicate ending.
Love we got too more lore of the sword of eden
thank u very much for the work, maybe it can triggered some inconsistencies, but i still can see Idun and Rah Cel'eze being the same elements, the name of how humans eternalize the isu in the folclores isnt the same names of how they were called in they own era, even minerva sayed in Assassins creed 2 vault that 'Minerva' was only one of her names
I understand the worries about how the A.I talk about the "human Centuries" but i think the way th A.I speaks and the way how Juno and Minervas speaks, must be considered as well, Juno and Minervas, are true Isu, capable of more empaty, and speaks in a way how humans can understand, so when they talk about centuries and years, they talking about in human time scale, and the A.I still made a literal distinction betwen the time scales, because it dont worry too much about the manner of how it speak will affect the listener
Maybe just only a few Isu knew about the cataclism centuries before it happens, but they were too more uncertain about the scale of the destruction in te beggining too give a propper attention, maybe they were even completeley doubtfull about the event existence, u know, isu predictions calculations are full of variations and those shit, in abstract, the were in negation until was too late to do something about it, and the wars betwen theselves and even humans made everything more dificult, it was during those wars that the possibility of the cataclism became more in the "public Domain" and every isu knew that they going to die
Times ar always hard in writing.
The ac writers do the smart thing of staying very vague with the isu timeline as that opend up interpretation if ther need to ajust things for plot.
Lore works for plot.
Days and years were propably longer/shorter in the ISU era, because it is very possible that the solar flare change some things in the solar system. The orbits could change etc.
Maybe the ring initiative was ran by two people and considering that the game is kind of filtered through Odins memories of ISU and the mythological veil. Maybe he just thinks that the operation was run by one person instead of a joint project or maybe he simply considered his friend more important, so only believes that she was responsible.
Idun is phonetically similar to Eden...
I wonder if that's where they're trying to claim the name came from. Perhaps Idun eventually became recognized and pronounced as 'Eden.' So Idun is like the overseer or mastermind of the 'Eden technology' (Pieces of Eden) throughout the ISU world. However, Idun is not responsible for the literal creation of each tech. Kind of like a CEO.
Think Elon Musk and his technology. Tesla cars aren't designed by him, but by his Company - Scientists and Engineers. So Rah would be the Engineer behind the Rings of Eden, but Idun would be recognized as the creator or founder of the Rings of Eden project or initiative.
Wake up baby, AtA just posted another video
Ha, it's been sort of a long sleep for us on the channel as well, but we're back!
(Now, to get some actual sleep...)
I was just hoping that it would’ve tied to Odin a little bit more. It wasn’t bad as it was, just not really what I was expecting. I also didn’t like how he had glasses. It just doesn’t look Isu to me.
Can of worms 😆 you get frustrated, I get curious
Thanks for condensing and connecting the lore! Always enjoyable
I've always just assumed the Isu were too advanced for glasses. You know, eye surgeries, genetic modifications, etc. :P
Probably, yeah, though those might be super high tech glasses with augmented reality and stuff :P
But of course, the glasses there are because of the tribute to Russell Lees
Maybe Idunn had previously created the Rings of Eden and _then_ Rah Cel'eze had the idea to use them on a global scale.
Actual decent stuff 🙏
..Nice thx..:)
Idunn is both a goddess and a fancy way to Norse-syncretize the name Eden
we know that Toka from siege of paris dlc collects and exchange swords, i guess that Eivor gave her the eden blade at some point and thats how it ends up in france
I think it's silly how that Ubisoft went with the two female protagonists just because they thought it was more popular.
And I know people mentiom the notes etc that somehow prove that the woman was the original character..
But i can disprove the odyssey one easily..
I can prove Alexios was the original character because if you look closely.. all weapons with all poses are perfect with Alexios.. however.. if you use a spear with Cassandra and climb or bend in certain ways, the spear goes straight through her body, especially when running and climbing, the spear goes right through her butt.. proving that Cassandra was a re skin, and that Alexios was the original character and they filmed all the moves with him.. and not.. Cassandra. And yet they chose to use Cassandra later on in valhalla, just because she was more popular.
And i thought it was especially silly how the well known male Odin is re born as a woman, simply because they thought it'd be more popular like Odyssey..
But its done now.. so we cant do anything about the crappy dlc in valhalla.
But luckily we can choose to be Alexios and Male Eivor so Odin dlcs dont look ridiculous.
i hope the last chapter actually includes a Ragnarok to effectively put and end to both eivors and odins story.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Toba Catastrophe was Ragnarok. Eivor might have some sort of catastrophic event that forces her to leave Ravensthorpe, but it's not going to be on the level of 'Ragnarok.'
@@indiana_holmes I'm talking about some sort of Odin story arc or cut scenes that shows actual Ragnarok, we have the events leading up to it but not the event itself.
Refreshing to see further Valhalla detailing and discussion. Couldn't give a shit about Mirage. Eivor wrecked Basim, that's that.
I think i want an ancient rome ac game. During the transition from republic to empire or something. I want to play as an assassin during the retreat of the brotherhood from england
Great, now we just need the homage to Shroud of Eden from Syndicate lol
Regarding the time difference, we know that Isu have that sixth sense that "we" don't have. Perhaps this is just part of that? I dunno, you'r the expert though and another brilliant video from you, and your team Markuz!
Yeah, that's of course still a possibility, the Isu perceive time differently than humans, the sixth sense etc., so in-lore that could even work. What I was pointing out here is that suddenly changing this within a line of dialogue can have pretty huge ripple effects on the interpretations, statements and timelines that we've had in over 15 years of content ^^
@@AccessAnimus Yeah for sure. Just a lot of more questions than answers. But it wouldn't be Assassin's Creed otherwise, lol
@@AccessAnimus "your centuries" might even be in reference to how the AI itself experiences time.
Suttunger is Saturn, so Juno, Jupiter, and Minerva are based in NEW YORK at the grand temple. So the jotuns are in New York, the fire giant faction in Ragnarok I believe to be Zeus, the leader of the GREEK Pantheon. I have two supporting facts that support that, firstly, that's the only faction that uses Kassandras character model from Odyssey, and in Odysseys map there is ALOT of volcanic activity in that area, Atlantis is under a volcano... Whilst the group of isu that Odin belongs to are located in eastern Europe. Now freyja was vanir so that's another group of isu that we haven't fully seen. My best guess is she either belongs to the Celtic Isu or possibly a South American group. There are 9 realms, 9 different Isu civilizations.
I will correct myself Jupiter is Suttunger. Not Saturn.
i hope see more ISU content in the future. maybe change the game's name so people stop attacking it. there's a great story there.
an anime series could've been fun. like how they did edgerunners with cyberpunk...
I think at the end a city was saved with the 2nd method:
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12:48 Wait, Heimdall was one of Odin's son ?
wait those charges...
look oddly familiar like the ones from hel from the niflheim saga end boss
like, its the exact same
I would be interessted in a personal opinion on this quest
Does anyone else get a bit bored with this electric power being on all the time? There's a better one that shoots out a similar effect but it's more flaming than electric.. and you can turn it off.. available from the helix store. And it looks like a modern version of the well-known mythical sword of Baldr.
To be fair he could have said several of your centuries because as an ai he experiences time differently
That's how I perceived it. An AI wouldn't care about the passage of time as it is perceived by organics.
What the ...
I didn't evennow there was a part tho....
I don't think Kassandra has the ability to destroy this Isu vault
In truth Kassandra could have found and taken the sword in all tranquility instead of Eivor.
Wow Eivor removed the sword, only to be used by those damned Templars centuries later.
Why does rah cel' eze has glasses when the isu never used them?
You fail to undersatnd that leap year and leap day. Originally their was less that 12 months on a calendar. So if you take into consideration that 2 thousand years since the Julian calendar was created under the romans around 53b.c. the date we used wouldnt need to be the same as how the Isu interpret time. For example the original roman calendar was based on the cresent start of a moon cycle. Also consider the effects of not having leap year for 75000+ years. Now also take for example a civilization that got thrown to rock bottom who argued about the earth being flat or the center of the solar system for much of written hystery. How would an ai who is not connected to the grey have a clue how we measure time? We dont count our age by seconds. We dont care that around 33 years we are a billion seconds old so when juno trys to compare time her life would be like comparing yours with an ant. A second becomes irrelevant unless tied to a singularity or event.
Same type of weapon “Hel” uses in “forgotten saga”
Maybe idun fashioned the smaller rings of eden, but rah cel'eze was responsible for the hypothetical planetary expansion of it
That's a possibility indeed - it's not a big deal, and it's not even a proper inconsistency, it could be clarified in multiple ways by stating who came up with the idea and what position both of them had within the Rings of Eden Initiative
This begs the question, when we saw the olympus project subjects, were they real beasts or the drugs and pheromons in the air. Same to the mummies in origins. It may also explain why we never see isu chairs or furniture, just huge slabs of granite and obsidian with glowing parts
The Mummies and Afterlife in Origins were kind of poorly explained as illusions created by the Piece of Eden that was messing with everyone's minds, but the monsters in Odyssey were humans who were literally transformed into monsters by interacting with Pieces of Eden. Only Kassandra (who was part ISU) could safely handle them. Eivor even had some difficulty in the Crossover story, but I'm sure she would have been able to overcome it even if Kassandra hadn't been there.
@@indiana_holmes not those mummies, the ones on the quest you got before the dlc, the one that happens on the isu temple in the desert. And my idea isnt saying they are not human experiments, is to say that they only look so much like mitological creatures because of the drugs, it ma,es us think if thats their true shape
@@cakeassassin6277 it's the same phenomenon. It's an illusion caused by the relic that was stolen. The whole CotP and that pre-quest wasn't very well integrated tbh.
@@indiana_holmes yes, but its not an apple ilusion, so its part of the temples defence sistem.
@@cakeassassin6277 no, it's the artifact that you go pick up in the desert. It's missing when you get to the inside of the temple and you have to go find it. The guy's camel took off with it and wandered into the desert. I suppose it's a combination of the artifact and the temple's defenses affecting anyone near it, but it's because the artifact was removed.
Weird, I had no slowness effect while doing the station, I could move normally throughout.
Haha, I actually meant that Eivor was slow.. in understanding what was happening around her - not physically slow ^^
Once you get the sword, there is an achievement/trophy related, is it bugged for anyone or just me? Regards
I think I did get the achievement - maybe you should write to Ubisoft's Support?
@@AccessAnimus , I already posted in the official forum, hope they answer to me, thanks for answering, congrats on the great videos
Hi, just to update, it already popped up for me, was playing the oskoreia current event, and interacting with the first festival scene have just popped up, now I can relax and wait for the final Eivor quest
There is the possibility that they knew for centuries and started investigating centuries before, but ubris and politics stoped them from acting early, and when they started taking it seriouslly it was too late. ( same as the climate cryssis, not clever writters)
And by human centuries, maybe he is comparing human notion of time with his computer ai or with the notion of time in the gray, we dont exactlly know how much time in the gray, animus, ygdrasil equates to human years.
Or maybe they count their years in hexadesimal.
Yep, that's a possibility, but like I mentioned, if that were the case, it would be inconsistent with Minerva in AC2 stating that they realized there was going to be a catastrophe hitting the Earth only during the Human-Isu war.
As for the notion of time, surely the Isu had a different one, it had already been stated in the lore before - what I was pointing out here is that making such a stark difference now, after 15 years of content, will invalidate or at least scramble many interpretations and parallels that have been done in the past
About time! Popcorn ready
Lee? Charles lee? Where is charles lee?
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Okay, i will stop
will we ever know what happened in eden? will there be ever a game played in the isu capital, feyan?