I'd love to see the same comparison with Intel processors. Include the Pentium and Celerons as well, and tell me why the latter still exists while you're at it.
the explosion of cpu power thanks to AMD and Ryzen allowed me to fusion my server/nas and my workstation/gaming PC. i have deinitively adopted a GNU/Linux as my daily OS, NAS/Server services are in docker's container, gaming mostly done with a Windows VM and VFIO passthrough. I now have one budget for everything with overall better performance while spending less..
you can also try your hand at WINE + ALSA for sometimes lower latency then in windows. Ex: many rhythm games perform better in linux and alsa has lower letency than windows' sound system.
You have free electricity to use a gaming PC as a home server or it doesn't run 24/7. Also, not very secure to let run untrusted programs even on a VM, the bad alignment of privilege escalations can ruin your whole set. My headless server (NAS, transcoding, router, DNS, firewall) is on a R3 3100 and the root access is made by RS232 from a cheap ARM SBC serving as a mediacenter and as an admin entrypoint for my dev laptop. The gaming rig is completely isolated on its own space, just like the Wifi network.
If Intel had their way, anything above 4 cores would be reserved for HEDT. I'm not a fanboy, but the whole industry benefits from AMD's market disruption.
not really "starting". 3300X or 7700K are still very acceptable for a lot of uses even on actual AAA games. The 4c4t APUs are a bit more dodgy but still perform well on a bunch of games.
@@felipefeldman9149 The plan was to jump to 6 cores for the 8000 series the entire time. Moving to 8 cores on the following lineup was entirely pressure from AMD
My friend was asking me why I wanted an 8 core CPU when the 6 is so much cheaper. I told him- for the same reason you upgraded from the 4 core. The 4 is the base line for most games. But also. I want to do some rendering. And the 8 core is the best priced for the most performance. Especially if you keep in mind the trend for required core count to increase over time.
Except the trend your speaking of, isn't particular fast. Meaning that by the time the 8 cores is the norm, your average mainstream Ryzen 3 chip is faster than your 3700X. You can already see this if you look at the current Ryzen 3000 range against the earlier generations.
@Kapilan Yup, I think that too. But the best value chip of the time and upgrade to its successor, rather than using a higher tier one for 2 generations. I wonder what the resale cost of these chips are and how do they compare across the lineup
@@happily7514 Just because you don't noticed the effects doesn't mean that you're not eating more cyanide than you should. Mild cyanide poisoning is a thing. It's actually quite common in some parts of the world where staple foods have small amounts of cyanide in them (but poisoning from apple seeds is comparatively rare).
How many cores do I need? Is there an upper limit to "make -j" ? It's not the core count alone, as I've learned the hard way on early UltraSPARC T systems. They need some computing power - and don't ever underestimate bus throughputs and L2.
@@kokonaka5577 They are available in Russia as well for some reason. They are quite a bargain if you can buy them. 3600 for 70% of the price without smt
@Jake W yea i did more research, not worth it. Im going to wait until October to see if the 4k chips drop. If they dont then im buying the 3900x, which should go down in price a little bit
Thanks for all the work you guys do! I rewatched this video after watching your Intel family video and noticed there was no 1440p comparison for AMD. It would certainly help to see the performance difference with more load on GPU. Appreciate all of your hard work!
8-core + 16 threads for seriousu gaming....(it needs to be said). 8 cores alone won't cut it. the 9700k intel is a pure 8 core and probably the fastest but it will become a JOKE when the ps5 and xbox2 come out and people start making games which will be core hungry like never before. Nice comparison though!
Don't forget the Threadrippers are as much about lanes as cores. Strap a few NVMEs together on the same machine and not have to worry about your bus being choked. IOPS for days on those bad boys, especially when PCIe4 NVMEs become more common. Or in ELI5 terms: Loading times? What loading times?
@@IvanBelic Did u compare a cpu of a console to a desktop, dam ur stupid, all intel series cpus from the 9th series onwards hit 5ghzt on air no console can do that. PS5 runs at 3.5ghzt and xbox series x runs at 3.8ghzt, console games are Heavily optimized to run on crap.
I would love to see this same lineup benchmarked while multitasking. I feel like a lot of us AMD users intend on that when planning builds. I typically have TH-cam streaming on another monitor and sometimes VLC playing an album softly while gaming. And I would argue that having less than 4 chrome tabs open rarely happens these days. Discord is almost always connected as well. Would be cool to get some benchmarks in this area. Love your content and thanks for all your hard work boys!
Exactly the video I needed, thanks! 3700X seems great, however considering the old i5 still meets my needs after I helped it out with RX5700XT, I'm gonna wait for Zen 3. Hopefully 2020 won't kill us before that happens.
that's not linear, the 3950 don't scale well in most instances and there are also tasks like compilation where the cache is the major bottleneck. Efforts have been made recently but thread count is only one part of the equation.
Conenion i know man, but u need skills to pararellize something that is not obviously parallelizable. Concurrent programimng can be tricky, but yeah, sometimes u just cant make something run in 16 cores. this is good picture, showing cores and speedup: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law#/media/File%3AAmdahlsLaw.svg
i just got me a 1600AF (2600 equivalent) and I'm absolutely fine with it at the moment. My old 6600k somehow had weird issues and stuttered alot, i think the 2 extra cores also help alot with multi-tasking/ having lots of stuff running all the time - i dont experience any significant dips in performance now, even though the framerate isnt really higher, its much much better / more stable and enjoyable. i immediately shaved of more than a minute on a casual 1-hour resident evil speedrun after switching(even though im still horrible), because its so much more consistent. And because i got a b450 mortar max with it, i can grab a 3900x / 3950x in the future, if i feel the need. Great upgrade path AMD enables there :-) No idea how the new intel processors perform now though, i guess they should be pretty good aswell, now that they have plenty of cores - but i like the option to go 16-cores if i need to in the future (productivity)
The one thing I'm missing from this comparison is Multitasking. I got a 6700K today and it works great for most games paired with my GTX1070 if I'm just gaming. But with 3 screens that is rarely something I do, just game. As I recently got back into World of Warcraft a great example are loading screens. They usually last for 5-6 seconds, during which I tend to want to tab out and respond to a message or something similar.... Captain, that is a no go on that multitasking right there. A loading screen basically means a frozen computer for 5 seconds. TH-cam/Video basically freezes solid, text I'm writing appears 5 seconds later. Looking at these charts, I should be fine with a 4 core CPU, but I'm not, far from it. In the future I would also like to stream adding in a third multi task. Where should I aim for this, 8C? 12C? 16C?
What I thought of 4,6,8,12 and 16 core CPUs: 4C: Basic PC functions and gaming 6C: More power and general improvement over 4C, can do light multi-threaded tasks 8C: Powerful enough for acceptable multi-threaded task speed 12C: Even more powerful but don't have enough for 16C 16C: You want a workstation but you also want the AM4 socket
@Nismo Not for long. The new PS5 and Xbox come with 8-core AMD Zen 2 CPUs. Which means the new AAA games will be made to use 8-cores and that's going to be a problem if people wen't for R5 3600 on pc.
4000 won't bring much. 1000 series and 3000 series were the leaps. 2000 and 4000 are just minor improvements. and 4000 is also the end for am4 socket so you might as well wait for 5000 series on am5, with ddr5 and pcie 5.0 support.
$120 3300x Wish we had those prices here. I can get the 3300x, when in stock, for $165. I can get the 3600 for $199 and it's actually in stock. Pricing here is generally kinda high for hardware, though.
I really dont get why you people from wealthy countries complain so much. In my case, 1dollar = R$5 . So everything costs at least 5x what you pay. Not to mention taxes + profit.
I love when you guys make these types of videos. May I make a suggestion, though? I think it would benefit a lot of people if you also included a recommendation for gamers who want to stream and make TH-cam videos. I'm sure there are lots of players who are curious about what processor is recommended to have a great gaming experience while simultaneously playing music, browsing web pages, etc. during their stream. Many people don't stream because they may feel like they need a $2000 pc to do so. It's not something I've seen tech channels talk about, despite the ever growing Twitch and TH-cam gaming community.
Thanks mate. As for the suggestion, I'd say if that's the case, just go off the productivity recommendation, since that's essentially what you're doing.
3900x has been floating aroudn £400 at various retailers for about 4.5 months now uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/tLCD4D/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-36-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000023box?history_days=180 3700x for around £260-£280ish around same time frame uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box?history_days=180
I bought a 3800x, but the 3700x would have done the trick. Oh well, it clocks higher but uses a lot more juice than the 3700x. I bought a x570 board and NVME drive to go with it. It's fast enough and hope it's good enough for five years of use. Now, I have to upgrade my RX480 but don't see the point unless I upgrade my monitor to 1440p. I don't think I'm going to worry about 4k and go with 1440p as I would rather have more FPS for online shooters than 4k. I think that will be the sweet spot versus 4k and I don't have to buy the most expensive graphics card. I'm just waiting for next gen graphics cards to see what to buy, but It can't come fast enough.
The only time i've ever used all 8 of my cores is when rendering a video, but i think that's a good thing, coming from a dual core POS. I never want to be CPU or GPU bound again.
I have a 3900X right now. My current plan is to wait for whatever the final gen of processors compatible with X570 mobos will be, upgrade to that, then use that 3900X for a home server build. 12 cores is really useful outside of gaming.
I'm german too, and just to give you a perspectve: 300$ is about 260€ right now. The 3700x (not 3800x) is ON SALE for 280€ (about 320$) at the moment. So even if you add taxes, I think it's save to say that americans get their parts cheaper than the rest of us, and I know that it's even worse for other parts of the world
So basically Just gaming - 3300X Gaming + streaming - 3600 Gaming + Work - 3700X Gaming + heavy work - 3900X Heavy rendering and bragging - 3950X Edit thx matthew
About the 3300X stock, over here (Poland), our biggest hardware retailers were originally scheduled to have their 3300X backorder supplied to them by July 13th (last Monday). I know this because I wanted to buy one a month ago, and this is what the folks working at one of those retailers gave me as their confirmed 3300X stock resupply date. So it looks like their backorder hasn't never arrived. Looking at what those sites currently list for 3300X, it looks like their backorders might not arrive with them at all.
When it comes to "future-proofing", it's really important to keep in mind that next gen consoles are right around the corner. They're specced with 8 core, 16 thread Zen 2 CPUs. So the 3300X or 3600 may be "enough" for current games, but that could change rather quickly as developers start targeting the PS5/Xbox Series X hardware and making use of up to 16 threads. Even if you get a 3600, you may have to upgrade in the next couple years to keep up. The 3700X is the most "future-proofed" option in that regard.
You do realise this point of comparing console to PC is irrelevant, the number of cores used on PC games scales with what CPUs we have available to us, on PC. For example 4c/4t CPUs have only recently been made redundant because of AMD upping the core count on CPUs as before the mid-range was from intel and was 4c/4t upto 2017, the xbox one and PS4, which launched back in 2013 both have 8 core CPUs, so if what consoles have was even remotely relevant it wouldnt have taken over 5 years for 4c/4t CPUs to be made obsolete becuase they have had 8 core CPU for so long. So why did it take so long? Because PC CPUs did not have that core count, so I am sure 6c/12t will be mainstream for a while now, and probably wont change unless AMD/Intel start making R5/I5 CPUs with, for example, 8 cores
Built a my first pc back at the end February with ryzen 3600 ,sapphire nitro+ 5700 xt on an aorus elite x 570, 16 gb 3200 MHz cl 15. I also managed to snag an AOC 24g2 monitor right before they have become virtually impossible to get at the listing price of 179. Just wanted to say that I love my pc and I owe it all to Hardware Unboxed for helping find the best bang for my buck components. Hats off guys for all the testing and reviews that you do!
buy 8c/16y if you want the cpu to last for a few years. 6c/12t is bare minimum now. next gen consoles gets 8c/16t so games will start using more cpu very soon.
My 3700X has been performing like a champ. I wish I could’ve gone for the 3900X for the better productivity performance as I also do work on the same computer but the 3700X is definitely no slouch in that regard. Could always upgrade in the future if I have to.
excellent job...I went from a quad core i7 7700k oc'd 5ghz to a 8 core 3700x at stock clock 4.3ghz ...this helped me finally be able to stream battlefield 5 with good fps and detail and edit video in half the time...great bang for the buck when coupled with Asus rog strix 450 motherboard. the old quad core was seeing 100% CPU usage which caused stuttering streams
Exactly this. Intel and Nvidia abused their consumers, lied, mislead, deceived and price gouged to extremes, their skulduggery is unsurpassed in the hardware industry and neither will ever get a penny from me (and MANY others) again. Learn from this AMD..... DON'T DO IT.
@@profd65 nah bro, you are on the wrong side of history. who was its that got fined for anti competitive behavior hmmmmm? not amd. i smell money spending justification on you
Most CPU benchmark videos are useless in a vacuum. This is the best CPU video I've seen by far. So informative and more importantly, CONSICE. Now do it for Intel 10th gen please. Then take the 10600k and 3700x and make them kiss.
The 3700x shreds in productivity applications, the 10600k shreds in gaming. When overclocked, the 10600k shreds in gaming even more but also runs hot as an oven.
Upgrading costs more than the price difference in cpus: Your time through buying, selling, reassembly, P×new settings. People easily forget that or set their worth to 0. Keep it as long as you can attain your desired FPS. :-)
So the 3700X is the sweet spot. What's really interesting is that the increased L3 cache of the 3900X and 3950X doesn't have any effect. I guess game engines just don't make use of it.
@@OverlordActual lol only gaming. Funny joke. I actually do work with my pc. I'm waiting for zen 3 and will probs nab a epyc engineering sample and overclock it. Engineering samples are overclockable if you know what you are doing.
R3 3600= budget R5 3600/3600X=lower midrange R7 3700/3700X/3800X= Midrange-higher midrange(sweet spot for gaming) R9 3900X/3950X= High end-utra high end For amd cpus
In this case there is a good reason for not including intel. If you purely want to look at how many cores you need, you do not look at a 4 core ryzen and a 6 core intel, since there are other factors that differ besides the core count. For instance, remember back in the day of bulldozer and how many "cores" they needed versus intel. Ideally you would have CPUs from both vendors for all core counts, but that would double the time to benchmark and you would make separate suggestions based on the vendor. However, if you are going to do that, then you might as well jsut make 2 videos, 1 for ryzen CPUs and 1 for intel CPUs.
@@matthewsmith2385 that isnt exactly the point of this video right? You dont want to compare a 4 core intel vs a 4 core ryzen. You want to either compare 4 core intel with 6 core intel or 4 core ryzem with 6 core ryzen
I used an i7 2600k from 2011 until 2018. I was able to get a high end Biostar X370 board on clearance for $49 and picked up the plain ryzen 5 2600 because of the lower tdp and higher overclocking headroom. I've had it at 4.2ghz on air since then, originally paired with a r9 fury nitro and now a rx 5700 xt. I've got no complaints and it does everything I'd like to do
ProdigyQb Consoles have 2x4 cores CPU... But PC needs to do more than gaming right? If you only play on PC, I pitty on you (looking at Intel fans) because next gen consoles are getting very very competitive in price/performance
@@MrAdhiSuryana nothing will come close this year or probably next year with price to performance of consoles. Looking forward to getting a PS5 next year sometime, hopefully games have the option for higher fps over resolutions. I would rather have a 1440p image upscaled with 60fps than 4K30 whenever possible
@@imo098765 who runs 4k30? only twats. 4k is overrated and half the time not even worth bothering for. 1080p bog standard and im still hundreds of £'s up from my friends and still having just as much if not more fun on a pc half the cost of there RBG stimulative overloading glam box and especially over people on console paying full brimming prices on games they then hate 2 weeks later and then wondering why they are taking a hit on money. i get cheaper games, more availability in modding and actually changing the game myself through files etc and im not going to go into non gaming application and use. im not trying to say pc is better its not the race debate, but its silly to say a console is overall better in performance, especially when most games get limited when the next successor console gets released (talking about gta 5 when denying heists to 360 owners after the full time of telling them it will run on a 360) so paying £40+ for a game you get told you cant play fully. plus the whole situation of paying that much for a device you technically arent allowed to pry open or modify or change or alter. pretty restrictive on something ive bought. anyways my point of perspective is a console is just too limited in functionality still and still just used for gaming, sure i can watch Netflix and free dodgy film streaming sites, but so can i on a PC, and i can play a game at the exact same time, as well as downloading another game etc as well as running fuck knows how many other applications of different processes, as well as customising parts and flow and structure to my case and its layout, all just for a touch more money.
Very nice video. For compilation benchmarks, would it be possible to include multiple tests with different build systems. Build system is responsible for spreading tasks between cores and way it works can have significant impact on results.
Really nice comparisons!!! Would have liked a visual indication of core/thread increase in procent as well as the score/improvement. E.g. 4c/8t (is baseline) to 6c/12t is +50% thread increase and score is +46% improvement, 8c/16c is 100% thread increase and score is +78% improvement...... etc. (please note above scores are random examples to describe what I am missing)
Here in Germany the Ryzen 2600 is at 140€ While the Ryzen 3600 can be had for 165€ At least for gaming I would definitely invest in the 3600, it's not much more But for workloads I think the performance is much closer?
With next gen consoles now almost arriving, I think games will now use more cores than before, especially now that they are using the same Ryzen 8 cores, albeit tweaked a little so it wont heat that much. Im excited to see on how the consoles will affect gaming in general.
Hi Steve, great video as ever. Been thinking, you've got a decent suite of of production and gaming benchmarks, but would love to see some music production DAW benchmarks (something like a stress test for Cubase or Ableton live). Ever considered it?
This was a really good video. Done right. Percentages and with percentages you can base a value of which product is better. For example, if Product B is 25% faster than Product A for only $100 while Product C is only faster than product B by only 12% for $175+, then the value would be product B. Appreciate it. Thanks!
I noticed in the cost per frame slide the cost of the CPUs were different from the current retail prices on the cost per core slide. Was this just because of a shift in sales prices? I know this wouldn't affect the overall information from the video, I was just curious about it. Excellent video regardless and great information! I was considering buying a Ryzen 3700x as an upgrade from my 2700x in the future, but after seeing the whole picture I understand why the 3900x is more highly recommended and why it makes more sense from a price to performance standpoint. Thanks for the great content!
Great vid Steve, but can you includ OZ pricing as well in your vid? I cant seem to see price drop on these cpu in Oz at all. Maybe even gone up since release?
Hey Steve! Thanks for the great content! You could have added a performance/core index in benchmarks such as cinebench on it graph. I think it would help to visualize the scaling :)
10:25 I think this works the other way round. If you're on a tight budget then thinking long term is exactly what you should do. I'm not saying that this applies to this particular case but generally speaking, spending two times more money on a PC that will serve three times as long is actually money saving and if you can't afford it because of a tight budget then you probably should just wait and save some more instead of pushing it.
Yeah going from the 3300x to the 3600 is worth it for long term. It adds $55 to the total cost of thr system. Yes $55 is something but if you cant afford it then save up the extra as it will end up being worth it in the long run.
Bought a new rig recently. I was concerned a little more about power and futureproofing than on my last rig, circa 2017. I opted for the Ryzen 7 3700X because I wanted somehting that could more comfortably play the latest games, and upcoming titles, as well as optimized capability with future graphics cards. It's probably still more CPU than I really need, but it felt like enough of a value to justify. I certainly didn't need anything with 12 or more cores, and those aren't really good value purchases anyway.
Great comparison. Only thing missing IMO would be the streaming angle. 3700X could hold additional value in a non Nvidia streaming machine when the CPU is used for decoding and game play simultaneously..
Got me a 3300x around April and I regret nothing. For straight up gaming works like a charm, I'll eventually upgrade my PC when needed, don't see it being urgent for at least another year, maybe more depending on the new games.
Great just what i needed Question: I have a Asus B450 MB , RTX 3060 , 16gb ram , M.2 SSD , and a 650w PS so where do I go from here ? What would hardware would you upgrade next ?
Yes! I needed my daily dose of blue bar graphs.
lol me too! It's so funny. i'm stressed at work ... lunch time.. youtube.. yes! blue bars! bring it on!
I am fine with my daily dose of skill, but some extra blue bars from time to time are doing good for me
How about some daily dose of a green and purple bar?
@@SS-ARYAN if you mean gamers nexus? I cannot read any of his charts!
"Welcome back to harbor a box" but what if I've never been to harbor a box before 🤔
You're there now
He he
All hail the king.
Love ur vids
It’s never too late to harbor a box for the first time...
I'd love to see the same comparison with Intel processors. Include the Pentium and Celerons as well, and tell me why the latter still exists while you're at it.
Will do.
A person who knows of the gold Hardware Unboxed produce, while trying to be informed taking AMD and Intel to town
@@Hardwareunboxed this is why the bell is checked
The Celery processors are there for you to keep your drink warm, while you attempt to have your computer load windows.
@@justinpatterson5291 salty huh
the explosion of cpu power thanks to AMD and Ryzen allowed me to fusion my server/nas and my workstation/gaming PC. i have deinitively adopted a GNU/Linux as my daily OS, NAS/Server services are in docker's container, gaming mostly done with a Windows VM and VFIO passthrough. I now have one budget for everything with overall better performance while spending less..
you can also try your hand at WINE + ALSA for sometimes lower latency then in windows. Ex: many rhythm games perform better in linux and alsa has lower letency than windows' sound system.
You have free electricity to use a gaming PC as a home server or it doesn't run 24/7.
Also, not very secure to let run untrusted programs even on a VM, the bad alignment of privilege escalations can ruin your whole set.
My headless server (NAS, transcoding, router, DNS, firewall) is on a R3 3100 and the root access is made by RS232 from a cheap ARM SBC serving as a mediacenter and as an admin entrypoint for my dev laptop. The gaming rig is completely isolated on its own space, just like the Wifi network.
I thought i knew computers... r/whoosh
Explosion of CPU power? LOL. Good joke.
2016 : 4 cores are flagship (consumer) 2020 : 4 cores are starting (consumer)
If Intel had their way, anything above 4 cores would be reserved for HEDT. I'm not a fanboy, but the whole industry benefits from AMD's market disruption.
not really "starting". 3300X or 7700K are still very acceptable for a lot of uses even on actual AAA games. The 4c4t APUs are a bit more dodgy but still perform well on a bunch of games.
@@felipefeldman9149 The plan was to jump to 6 cores for the 8000 series the entire time. Moving to 8 cores on the following lineup was entirely pressure from AMD
@@nap8187 how do you knew that, was there a roadmap for that?
@@felipefeldman9149 Relax there, I bet you don't even need more than 8 cores and AMD was shit for a decade.
My friend was asking me why I wanted an 8 core CPU when the 6 is so much cheaper. I told him- for the same reason you upgraded from the 4 core. The 4 is the base line for most games. But also. I want to do some rendering. And the 8 core is the best priced for the most performance. Especially if you keep in mind the trend for required core count to increase over time.
I have a x570 so I plan to upgrade my 3600 down the road
Well, the price is gonna go down when 4000 comes into play, plus the economy is gonna move towards price being cheaper.
Except the trend your speaking of, isn't particular fast.
Meaning that by the time the 8 cores is the norm, your average mainstream Ryzen 3 chip is faster than your 3700X.
You can already see this if you look at the current Ryzen 3000 range against the earlier generations.
@Kapilan Yup, I think that too. But the best value chip of the time and upgrade to its successor, rather than using a higher tier one for 2 generations. I wonder what the resale cost of these chips are and how do they compare across the lineup
I do it for the e-peen
How many cores do I need? All of them. I even eat the core of an Apple.
Don't eat cores of an Apple! You'll get horrible customer support if you run into any issues with it!
the seeds are known to be poisonous
Apple seeds turn to cyanide in your stomac if you chew them.
@@henrikmelander7361 you'd need to eat an unholy amount of apple seeds before you start to notice the affects
@@happily7514 Just because you don't noticed the effects doesn't mean that you're not eating more cyanide than you should. Mild cyanide poisoning is a thing. It's actually quite common in some parts of the world where staple foods have small amounts of cyanide in them (but poisoning from apple seeds is comparatively rare).
How many cores do I need? Is there an upper limit to "make -j" ?
It's not the core count alone, as I've learned the hard way on early UltraSPARC T systems. They need some computing power - and don't ever underestimate bus throughputs and L2.
I'd say, that the 3700X which I bought for 230€, was a very good deal ;)
A steal!
3900x is $389 atm
Nvm lol
Definitely. Even used is a good deal
Good price. I paid 374€ 09/2019. The price drop here in Sweden isn't great, you have to pay 337€ today.
AMD Ryzen 5 3500/3500X : _"why are we still here, just to suffer...."_
These are for China only why does Trump exist tho?
@@SoriPop it's available in all major Asian markets not just China
They don't even go here
@@kokonaka5577 They are available in Russia as well for some reason. They are quite a bargain if you can buy them. 3600 for 70% of the price without smt
@@kokonaka5577 It's also available in South America (atleast in Argentina and Brazil).
I love this video! I went with a 3900X more because I “want” to rather than any meaningful reason. Lol
When you are done with it, I'd get it for $200 😆
@@anmolagrawal5358 Too bad he won't be done with it for another 20 years.
I was going to just buy the 3900x but then the 3900xt came out. Might as well waste another $100 because i can
@Jake W yea i did more research, not worth it. Im going to wait until October to see if the 4k chips drop. If they dont then im buying the 3900x, which should go down in price a little bit
15:10 First time seeing Steve from this angle
It's strangely triggering my OCD xD
Lmao
@@herr_L. lol right!? It threw me off a bit
I was literally just thinking of a video like this... wow.
Google's got you back
@@lex4play394 True
Me too, shit this is crazy
Same
Woah, same! I wanted exactly this kind of video since I questioned how many cores do we even need in this day and lo and behold!
add modern warfare 2019 to the games, that game is a cpu devourer
Because it has to re-load textures every time you play. Right before it resets your resolution and settings.
@@ZeroSpawn Also Activision:
We removed 2 trees due to a bug = 50 GB update
Warzone specifically.
@@ssg2991 it always stutters on my 2200g
so last year
Thanks for all the work you guys do! I rewatched this video after watching your Intel family video and noticed there was no 1440p comparison for AMD. It would certainly help to see the performance difference with more load on GPU. Appreciate all of your hard work!
4-core: minimum for multitasking productivity / casual gamer
6-core: light content creator / gamer / streamer
8-core: professional content creator / serious gamer / full-time streamer
12- core: light server duties / virtualization / database operations
16- core: medium-large server farms / machine learning
32-core: particle simulation / advanced machine learning
64+ cores: SKYNET
8-core + 16 threads for seriousu gaming....(it needs to be said). 8 cores alone won't cut it. the 9700k intel is a pure 8 core and probably the fastest but it will become a JOKE when the ps5 and xbox2 come out and people start making games which will be core hungry like never before. Nice comparison though!
@@IvanBelic it will be enough.. 8c/16t will stay for atleast 4-5 more years
Don't forget the Threadrippers are as much about lanes as cores. Strap a few NVMEs together on the same machine and not have to worry about your bus being choked. IOPS for days on those bad boys, especially when PCIe4 NVMEs become more common.
Or in ELI5 terms: Loading times? What loading times?
@@IvanBelic Did u compare a cpu of a console to a desktop, dam ur stupid, all intel series cpus from the 9th series onwards hit 5ghzt on air no console can do that. PS5 runs at 3.5ghzt and xbox series x runs at 3.8ghzt, console games are Heavily optimized to run on crap.
Skynet = Nvidia .
Steve:
How many cores do you need?
PCmasterrace:
Yes.
I would love to see this same lineup benchmarked while multitasking. I feel like a lot of us AMD users intend on that when planning builds. I typically have TH-cam streaming on another monitor and sometimes VLC playing an album softly while gaming. And I would argue that having less than 4 chrome tabs open rarely happens these days. Discord is almost always connected as well. Would be cool to get some benchmarks in this area. Love your content and thanks for all your hard work boys!
@ZeroArrival that Bubbles profile pic 👌
Marley Varoy-Larson he is truly my spirit animal lol
You can do all of that, and stream 1080p@60 while playing a CPU-intensive title with even the 3600. No worries.
You: "You need 4 Cores"
My Brain: "You need 12 Cores"
Me: *Buys 3900X*
For creative work 3900x is a beast
@@atharvagangapurkar7688 is 3700x good enough for that? I cant afford 3900x
@@thetechnocrat6388 Yes, yes it is.
My Brain: buys 3950X for minecraft
@@zekrinealfa1113 o
Exactly the video I needed, thanks!
3700X seems great, however considering the old i5 still meets my needs after I helped it out with RX5700XT, I'm gonna wait for Zen 3.
Hopefully 2020 won't kill us before that happens.
Me: AMD, how many cores can you make?
AMD: Yes
Me: Ok, but what is cheapest cpu just for gaming?
AMD: Yes
Intel: 14nm
3300X
@@someguywithmtndew5691 Legends say this CPU is harder to spot than a Unicorn!
Awesome you guys included a DaVinci Resolve & Premiere Pro graph! As always, you guys do excellent work and deserve more Subs!
Me: sees Hardware Unboxed video
geting popcorn ready to watch those beautiful blue graphs
Lovin' that linear scaling on multicore applications.
Thats when u make good software
that's not linear, the 3950 don't scale well in most instances and there are also tasks like compilation where the cache is the major bottleneck. Efforts have been made recently but thread count is only one part of the equation.
@@PainterVierax Of course it's not *perfectly* linear across *all* multithreaded applications, FFS.
@@lowzyyy
It depends. Some problems can`t be parallelized. Or they can, but performance sucks.
Conenion i know man, but u need skills to pararellize something that is not obviously parallelizable. Concurrent programimng can be tricky, but yeah, sometimes u just cant make something run in 16 cores.
this is good picture, showing cores and speedup: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law#/media/File%3AAmdahlsLaw.svg
i just got me a 1600AF (2600 equivalent) and I'm absolutely fine with it at the moment. My old 6600k somehow had weird issues and stuttered alot, i think the 2 extra cores also help alot with multi-tasking/ having lots of stuff running all the time - i dont experience any significant dips in performance now, even though the framerate isnt really higher, its much much better / more stable and enjoyable.
i immediately shaved of more than a minute on a casual 1-hour resident evil speedrun after switching(even though im still horrible), because its so much more consistent.
And because i got a b450 mortar max with it, i can grab a 3900x / 3950x in the future, if i feel the need. Great upgrade path AMD enables there :-)
No idea how the new intel processors perform now though, i guess they should be pretty good aswell, now that they have plenty of cores - but i like the option to go 16-cores if i need to in the future (productivity)
i’m still stuck with a 2400G + 1050 Ti
The one thing I'm missing from this comparison is Multitasking. I got a 6700K today and it works great for most games paired with my GTX1070 if I'm just gaming. But with 3 screens that is rarely something I do, just game. As I recently got back into World of Warcraft a great example are loading screens. They usually last for 5-6 seconds, during which I tend to want to tab out and respond to a message or something similar.... Captain, that is a no go on that multitasking right there. A loading screen basically means a frozen computer for 5 seconds. TH-cam/Video basically freezes solid, text I'm writing appears 5 seconds later. Looking at these charts, I should be fine with a 4 core CPU, but I'm not, far from it. In the future I would also like to stream adding in a third multi task. Where should I aim for this, 8C? 12C? 16C?
Warzone is extremely CPU hungry and memory speeds make a big difference aswell even at 1440p.
What I thought of 4,6,8,12 and 16 core CPUs:
4C: Basic PC functions and gaming
6C: More power and general improvement over 4C, can do light multi-threaded tasks
8C: Powerful enough for acceptable multi-threaded task speed
12C: Even more powerful but don't have enough for 16C
16C: You want a workstation but you also want the AM4 socket
@Nismo Not for long. The new PS5 and Xbox come with 8-core AMD Zen 2 CPUs. Which means the new AAA games will be made to use 8-cores and that's going to be a problem if people wen't for R5 3600 on pc.
With AMD touting the 4000 series this year, I'm okay with waiting.
4000 won't bring much. 1000 series and 3000 series were the leaps. 2000 and 4000 are just minor improvements. and 4000 is also the end for am4 socket so you might as well wait for 5000 series on am5, with ddr5 and pcie 5.0 support.
$120 3300x
Wish we had those prices here. I can get the 3300x, when in stock, for $165. I can get the 3600 for $199 and it's actually in stock. Pricing here is generally kinda high for hardware, though.
I really dont get why you people from wealthy countries complain so much. In my case, 1dollar = R$5 . So everything costs at least 5x what you pay. Not to mention taxes + profit.
Welcome back to harbor a box
I love when you guys make these types of videos. May I make a suggestion, though? I think it would benefit a lot of people if you also included a recommendation for gamers who want to stream and make TH-cam videos. I'm sure there are lots of players who are curious about what processor is recommended to have a great gaming experience while simultaneously playing music, browsing web pages, etc. during their stream. Many people don't stream because they may feel like they need a $2000 pc to do so. It's not something I've seen tech channels talk about, despite the ever growing Twitch and TH-cam gaming community.
Thanks mate. As for the suggestion, I'd say if that's the case, just go off the productivity recommendation, since that's essentially what you're doing.
The xt release has done something good. Even more price cuts on existing ryzen cpu. The 3900x is selling for 400 euros and 3700x for around 280.
3900x has been floating aroudn £400 at various retailers for about 4.5 months now
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/tLCD4D/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-36-ghz-12-core-processor-100-100000023box?history_days=180
3700x for around £260-£280ish around same time frame
uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/QKJtt6/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-36-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000071box?history_days=180
I bought a 3800x, but the 3700x would have done the trick. Oh well, it clocks higher but uses a lot more juice than the 3700x. I bought a x570 board and NVME drive to go with it. It's fast enough and hope it's good enough for five years of use. Now, I have to upgrade my RX480 but don't see the point unless I upgrade my monitor to 1440p. I don't think I'm going to worry about 4k and go with 1440p as I would rather have more FPS for online shooters than 4k. I think that will be the sweet spot versus 4k and I don't have to buy the most expensive graphics card. I'm just waiting for next gen graphics cards to see what to buy, but It can't come fast enough.
The only time i've ever used all 8 of my cores is when rendering a video, but i think that's a good thing, coming from a dual core POS. I never want to be CPU or GPU bound again.
I have a 3900X right now. My current plan is to wait for whatever the final gen of processors compatible with X570 mobos will be, upgrade to that, then use that 3900X for a home server build. 12 cores is really useful outside of gaming.
300$ msrp for a 3800x... holy shit I wish i could go partshopping in the US 😭
I always cringe about prices in Germany, because our prices in € are sometimes a lot higher than the prices in $ reee
Prices in US$ are without VAT applied, prices in € are with VAT applied, that may explain (partially) why the latter is higher
I'm german too, and just to give you a perspectve: 300$ is about 260€ right now. The 3700x (not 3800x) is ON SALE for 280€ (about 320$) at the moment. So even if you add taxes, I think it's save to say that americans get their parts cheaper than the rest of us, and I know that it's even worse for other parts of the world
the new code compile test is a super nice addition, thank you
So basically
Just gaming - 3300X
Gaming + streaming - 3600
Gaming + Work - 3700X
Gaming + heavy work - 3900X
Heavy rendering and bragging - 3950X
Edit thx matthew
Gaming plus streaming -3600
About the 3300X stock, over here (Poland), our biggest hardware retailers were originally scheduled to have their 3300X backorder supplied to them by July 13th (last Monday).
I know this because I wanted to buy one a month ago, and this is what the folks working at one of those retailers gave me as their confirmed 3300X stock resupply date.
So it looks like their backorder hasn't never arrived. Looking at what those sites currently list for 3300X, it looks like their backorders might not arrive with them at all.
I'd love to see all the benchmarks with 1440p.
Dude, this is actually so helpful
When it comes to "future-proofing", it's really important to keep in mind that next gen consoles are right around the corner. They're specced with 8 core, 16 thread Zen 2 CPUs. So the 3300X or 3600 may be "enough" for current games, but that could change rather quickly as developers start targeting the PS5/Xbox Series X hardware and making use of up to 16 threads. Even if you get a 3600, you may have to upgrade in the next couple years to keep up. The 3700X is the most "future-proofed" option in that regard.
People keep saying this but I'm not buying it. I'll believe it when I see it.
You do realise this point of comparing console to PC is irrelevant, the number of cores used on PC games scales with what CPUs we have available to us, on PC. For example 4c/4t CPUs have only recently been made redundant because of AMD upping the core count on CPUs as before the mid-range was from intel and was 4c/4t upto 2017, the xbox one and PS4, which launched back in 2013 both have 8 core CPUs, so if what consoles have was even remotely relevant it wouldnt have taken over 5 years for 4c/4t CPUs to be made obsolete becuase they have had 8 core CPU for so long. So why did it take so long? Because PC CPUs did not have that core count, so I am sure 6c/12t will be mainstream for a while now, and probably wont change unless AMD/Intel start making R5/I5 CPUs with, for example, 8 cores
Not likely. One or two cores will be assigned to OS only and that leave us with 6 cores for gaming. Ryzen 5 3600 or Intel equivalent will do.
No only one core will be reserved for the os so it's more like 14 threads available to use
You are freaking dumb i dont know what to say.
Built a my first pc back at the end February with ryzen 3600 ,sapphire nitro+ 5700 xt on an aorus elite x 570, 16 gb 3200 MHz cl 15. I also managed to snag an AOC 24g2 monitor right before they have become virtually impossible to get at the listing price of 179.
Just wanted to say that I love my pc and I owe it all to Hardware Unboxed for helping find the best bang for my buck components. Hats off guys for all the testing and reviews that you do!
8 Cores is Enough For Gaming Nowadays 😊
6*
@@oofig Some games like BF already use 8 Cores, then Ryzen 7 3700X is only choice obvious.
I'd say 8 core is the new quad core. Especially with the new consoles have 8 actually powerful cores and games WILL leverage that.
4.
buy 8c/16y if you want the cpu to last for a few years. 6c/12t is bare minimum now. next gen consoles gets 8c/16t so games will start using more cpu very soon.
Excellent content! You guys are leaders in the space! Thank you for the no bs perspective!
My 3700X has been performing like a champ. I wish I could’ve gone for the 3900X for the better productivity performance as I also do work on the same computer but the 3700X is definitely no slouch in that regard. Could always upgrade in the future if I have to.
The 3900X used is gonna be one hell of a deal
Or maybe a zen 3 12+ core?
excellent job...I went from a quad core i7 7700k oc'd 5ghz to a 8 core 3700x at stock clock 4.3ghz ...this helped me finally be able to stream battlefield 5 with good fps and detail and edit video in half the time...great bang for the buck when coupled with Asus rog strix 450 motherboard. the old quad core was seeing 100% CPU usage which caused stuttering streams
How many CPU cores do I need?
All of them!
How many can I afford?
Not many.
TH-cam:it costs 600$ my third country:you sound rich;let me charge you 1000$😭
Over 9000
Great video!
Thanks guys!
intel burnt the bridge and is wondering why we do not visit.🤣✌️
Exactly this. Intel and Nvidia abused their consumers, lied, mislead, deceived and price gouged to extremes, their skulduggery is unsurpassed in the hardware industry and neither will ever get a penny from me (and MANY others) again. Learn from this AMD..... DON'T DO IT.
@@mahoobarc1439Let me translate your comment: "I really really like lntel and Nvidia but I can't afford their products and that makes me so mad."
@@profd65 nah bro, you are on the wrong side of history. who was its that got fined for anti competitive behavior hmmmmm? not amd. i smell money spending justification on you
So good to have such a great Aussie YT channel.
Most CPU benchmark videos are useless in a vacuum. This is the best CPU video I've seen by far. So informative and more importantly, CONSICE. Now do it for Intel 10th gen please.
Then take the 10600k and 3700x and make them kiss.
The 3700x shreds in productivity applications, the 10600k shreds in gaming. When overclocked, the 10600k shreds in gaming even more but also runs hot as an oven.
Managed to acquired the 3600 for USD ~180 (converted), pretty sweet deal.
Next Video: Intel Family Review
intel Fans: Thank You.
you are an absolute moron if you are fanboying for intel at this day and age
That Teddy a referrence to that NZ TechTuber that passed away? He had one similar.
I'm sitting here perfectly happy with my 2600x :D
Upgrading costs more than the price difference in cpus: Your time through buying, selling, reassembly, P×new settings. People easily forget that or set their worth to 0. Keep it as long as you can attain your desired FPS. :-)
Great video! Thanks for the input.
So the 3700X is the sweet spot. What's really interesting is that the increased L3 cache of the 3900X and 3950X doesn't have any effect. I guess game engines just don't make use of it.
Also +12C = 8T in gaming...
I would say that the sweet spot is the 3600. The 3700X is the highest ranking CPU by AMD that makes sense in gaming.
4600
I like the different camera angle at the end, keep that!
16 cores 😆 is my daily
Sad they stopped at 16 cores.
@@tmi1234567 Probably since that is the limit of AM4 currently and that is the platform you should be considering most if you are only gaming.
@@OverlordActual lol only gaming. Funny joke. I actually do work with my pc. I'm waiting for zen 3 and will probs nab a epyc engineering sample and overclock it. Engineering samples are overclockable if you know what you are doing.
@@tmi1234567 Yeah so you obviously aren't looking at AM4 seeing as you seem to have a need (or strong desire) for more cores.
*Threadripper has entered the chat*
Never usually comment on videos like this, just wanted to say thanks for the work you do, very nice presentation and useful as always.
I want all your background 😭
Empty boxes?..... jk
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The 3950x is best for me because it’s the one I’m using right now while watching this video about which CPU is best for you... 🤔.
4C8T and 6C12T for some games, and really I would suggest 6C12T to make sure you are covered for the next ~2 years.
R3 3600= budget
R5 3600/3600X=lower midrange
R7 3700/3700X/3800X= Midrange-higher midrange(sweet spot for gaming)
R9 3900X/3950X= High end-utra high end
For amd cpus
Seems AMD is now enjoying the same type of graphs intel use to love back before ryzen came out. Only comparing their cpus to themselves.
Fair enough I have been seeing them a lot lately
In this case there is a good reason for not including intel. If you purely want to look at how many cores you need, you do not look at a 4 core ryzen and a 6 core intel, since there are other factors that differ besides the core count. For instance, remember back in the day of bulldozer and how many "cores" they needed versus intel.
Ideally you would have CPUs from both vendors for all core counts, but that would double the time to benchmark and you would make separate suggestions based on the vendor. However, if you are going to do that, then you might as well jsut make 2 videos, 1 for ryzen CPUs and 1 for intel CPUs.
@@Jamie95C I agree. It is more case by case but it has become increasingly AMD in the graphs but that makes sense with all the CPUs they have now.
@@Jamie95C but what about 4 core vs 4 core
@@matthewsmith2385 that isnt exactly the point of this video right? You dont want to compare a 4 core intel vs a 4 core ryzen. You want to either compare 4 core intel with 6 core intel or 4 core ryzem with 6 core ryzen
I used an i7 2600k from 2011 until 2018. I was able to get a high end Biostar X370 board on clearance for $49 and picked up the plain ryzen 5 2600 because of the lower tdp and higher overclocking headroom. I've had it at 4.2ghz on air since then, originally paired with a r9 fury nitro and now a rx 5700 xt. I've got no complaints and it does everything I'd like to do
"8 bEcAuSe cOnSoLeS aRe gEtTiNg 8 cOrEs"
ProdigyQb Consoles have 2x4 cores CPU...
But PC needs to do more than gaming right? If you only play on PC, I pitty on you (looking at Intel fans) because next gen consoles are getting very very competitive in price/performance
@@MrAdhiSuryana nothing will come close this year or probably next year with price to performance of consoles. Looking forward to getting a PS5 next year sometime, hopefully games have the option for higher fps over resolutions. I would rather have a 1440p image upscaled with 60fps than 4K30 whenever possible
@@MrAdhiSuryana console is a console, you could stick a golden paint sprayed shit you just took freshly inside and its still just a plastic shitbox.
@@imo098765 who runs 4k30? only twats. 4k is overrated and half the time not even worth bothering for. 1080p bog standard and im still hundreds of £'s up from my friends and still having just as much if not more fun on a pc half the cost of there RBG stimulative overloading glam box and especially over people on console paying full brimming prices on games they then hate 2 weeks later and then wondering why they are taking a hit on money.
i get cheaper games, more availability in modding and actually changing the game myself through files etc and im not going to go into non gaming application and use.
im not trying to say pc is better its not the race debate, but its silly to say a console is overall better in performance, especially when most games get limited when the next successor console gets released (talking about gta 5 when denying heists to 360 owners after the full time of telling them it will run on a 360) so paying £40+ for a game you get told you cant play fully.
plus the whole situation of paying that much for a device you technically arent allowed to pry open or modify or change or alter. pretty restrictive on something ive bought.
anyways my point of perspective is a console is just too limited in functionality still and still just used for gaming, sure i can watch Netflix and free dodgy film streaming sites, but so can i on a PC, and i can play a game at the exact same time, as well as downloading another game etc as well as running fuck knows how many other applications of different processes, as well as customising parts and flow and structure to my case and its layout, all just for a touch more money.
Well, yeah. They wouldn't have paid for 8 core 16 thread Ryzen CPUs in the consoles if they didn't think developers would use them.
Very nice video. For compilation benchmarks, would it be possible to include multiple tests with different build systems. Build system is responsible for spreading tasks between cores and way it works can have significant impact on results.
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Really nice comparisons!!! Would have liked a visual indication of core/thread increase in procent as well as the score/improvement.
E.g. 4c/8t (is baseline) to 6c/12t is +50% thread increase and score is +46% improvement, 8c/16c is 100% thread increase and score is +78% improvement...... etc.
(please note above scores are random examples to describe what I am missing)
How many cores do you need?
"Yes"
well said.
Bout tree fiddy
6 only sadly
Just what I was looking for! You guys making amazing videos. Big thumbs up!
Went with a 3600X in March, so happy with it.
Excellent production video!! Liked and subscribed
yes, but 65% price increase is from MSRP price but not from Current Retail price
so from 3300x* to 3600 - 66%
3600 to 3700x -
53
%
3700x to 3900x - 61
%
3900x - 3950x - 66,6%
I think 3700x is sweet spot for gaming and occasionally work
*MSRP price
I picked 2600 from 3100/3300x, I feel more stable FPS on extra cores,and I don't need more than 75hz for now.
Here in Germany the Ryzen 2600 is at 140€
While the Ryzen 3600 can be had for 165€
At least for gaming I would definitely invest in the 3600, it's not much more
But for workloads I think the performance is much closer?
@@herr_L. Here in malaysia 3600 cost 800 and 2600 at 550, it is a significant amount gap here.
With next gen consoles now almost arriving, I think games will now use more cores than before, especially now that they are using the same Ryzen 8 cores, albeit tweaked a little so it wont heat that much. Im excited to see on how the consoles will affect gaming in general.
Hi Steve, great video as ever. Been thinking, you've got a decent suite of of production and gaming benchmarks, but would love to see some music production DAW benchmarks (something like a stress test for Cubase or Ableton live). Ever considered it?
This was a really good video. Done right. Percentages and with percentages you can base a value of which product is better. For example, if Product B is 25% faster than Product A for only $100 while Product C is only faster than product B by only 12% for $175+, then the value would be product B. Appreciate it. Thanks!
I noticed in the cost per frame slide the cost of the CPUs were different from the current retail prices on the cost per core slide. Was this just because of a shift in sales prices? I know this wouldn't affect the overall information from the video, I was just curious about it.
Excellent video regardless and great information! I was considering buying a Ryzen 3700x as an upgrade from my 2700x in the future, but after seeing the whole picture I understand why the 3900x is more highly recommended and why it makes more sense from a price to performance standpoint. Thanks for the great content!
It's the current retail price.
Thank you so much for this benchmark, its very valuable to everyone
Great vid Steve, but can you includ OZ pricing as well in your vid? I cant seem to see price drop on these cpu in Oz at all. Maybe even gone up since release?
R5 3600 User here. Was a big step up from my Room heating FX9590 @ 5ghz hahaha, That said extremely happy with my choice.
Steve throwing us a curveball with that 65 degree angle shot at the end
Hey Steve! Thanks for the great content!
You could have added a performance/core index in benchmarks such as cinebench on it graph. I think it would help to visualize the scaling
:)
Yeah for all of the multitude of AMD processors as supply bounces all around the place.
Great video! Looking forward to your reviews of the Zen 3 products.
10:25
I think this works the other way round. If you're on a tight budget then thinking long term is exactly what you should do. I'm not saying that this applies to this particular case but generally speaking, spending two times more money on a PC that will serve three times as long is actually money saving and if you can't afford it because of a tight budget then you probably should just wait and save some more instead of pushing it.
Yeah going from the 3300x to the 3600 is worth it for long term. It adds $55 to the total cost of thr system. Yes $55 is something but if you cant afford it then save up the extra as it will end up being worth it in the long run.
Just a great comparison. Thank you so much.
Bought a new rig recently. I was concerned a little more about power and futureproofing than on my last rig, circa 2017. I opted for the Ryzen 7 3700X because I wanted somehting that could more comfortably play the latest games, and upcoming titles, as well as optimized capability with future graphics cards. It's probably still more CPU than I really need, but it felt like enough of a value to justify. I certainly didn't need anything with 12 or more cores, and those aren't really good value purchases anyway.
compared to the other big tech channels, this one's content actually matters to many, and is not just comedy or some exotic shenanigans.
love my 3700x + 2070s combo for gaming
Nice, been having some fun while quarantined benchmarking the same sort of thing with cpus ranging from Core 2 Duos from 2006 to Ryzen
quarantine is only for the sick, this is Lockdown of the healthy
Great comparison. Only thing missing IMO would be the streaming angle. 3700X could hold additional value in a non Nvidia streaming machine when the CPU is used for decoding and game play simultaneously..
Got me a 3300x around April and I regret nothing. For straight up gaming works like a charm, I'll eventually upgrade my PC when needed, don't see it being urgent for at least another year, maybe more depending on the new games.
Do an smt on vs off for the same CPUs, it would be interesting to see gaming performance changes in higher core count cpus
Great just what i needed Question: I have a Asus B450 MB , RTX 3060 , 16gb ram , M.2 SSD , and a 650w PS so where do I go from here ? What would hardware would you upgrade next ?
Solid Benchmarking as usual and highly informative for us gamers, ty Steve!!!
Great video! As always, great timing. Just bought a 3700x.