Hi Steve, well done for your thoroughness! A reliable assessment. I too have Havana Club 3yo as my white rum workhorse, my only other white rums are Aluna coconut and Wray & Nephew OP. Nick from York
I noticed that Bacardi is really good in cocktails, especially with less amount used. For example in pina colada I had to use 15% more plantation 3 star than bacardi to achieve the same intensity, but plantation was more complex and tasted better..
plantation 3 star is on my list i recently discovered it looking online through my liquor store website and bacardi superior is my current rum i liked it better than capt morgan or others, strange you have to use more of the 3star since its at above 41% and bacardi at 40% so its not the alc punch its the flavour strenght in the bacardi that is the helping factor i am thinking, i even joyed bacardi neat perhaps even chilled might be good i can only imagine plantation being better neat then according to your description and from what i read
Judging by your comparison I have taken the scores and calculated them together to get the mean… (also taking price into consideration) 1:Ron Santiago 2:Havana 3:Duppy Share 4:Bacardi 5:DMF
Ha, cheers mate. You’re not the first to do that. But as I said to the others, the whole reason I don’t add up scores is cos it’s flawed. I couldn’t confidently take RS into the next video, cos Hav3 smashed it on a Daiquiri. Bacardi smashed everything else in a Rum and Coke. So Scores just don’t work. 👍👍
Great video… great content for the home rum lover. Can I suggest that since the results were so spread out between the rums, why not put your best rum in each category up against the premium selection in the category it won in to see how it fares. Usually people watching will have their favourite drink and will be interested to know how the best cheaper brand does in the race against more premium rums, so the result of those contests are much more interesting than seeing how a rum which only did well or ok in most of the categories does. Hopefully that makes sense.
Hah, no wonder you're unsure how to pronounce the winner. I tried calculating one myself, using a bit of voting theory, and there's essentially an unbreakable tie almost however I look at it. Its honestly rather fun to see and work through such a gnarly example of a tie! Taking the individual tests as 'voters' and the rums as candidates, you have a Condorcet cycle (ie rock-papers-scissors kind of situation), with 3 rums -- havana, santiago and duppy that would each win head to head against the remaining two (bacardi and the dead fingers one), and would all tie amongs themselves (making those three be in the so called Smith set). So number of wins is the same for the 3, hence no Copeland winner (which would be the one with most wins), and as there are no losses only ties among those 3, can't even break the tie by comparing the worst defeats. Can't use elimination methods either as they all just get tied again. Using Black's election method, which is to say, using the Borda count when there's a tie like this, there is however the narrowest winner, and is Santiago de Cuba by a hair (11 points vs 10 for the other two). Eliminating the def losers and using the Borda count only among those three is again a tie, so no help there. I see people already tried ranking them by calculating the mean, and it agrees with Santiago as well. Its basically the same thing as a borda count anyhow, as in both cases ranks become points in some straightforward & naive manner. I think 'electing' Santiago by the narrowest of margins is the best one could do in such a situation overall, or else even better if possible, pronouncing it simply a 3-way tie. You do have true (Condorcet) loser however, and that's bacardi; it will lose any head-to-head vs every other rum by 3 to 1. I may use this example later to work through some multiwinner systems as well, perhaps to recommend 2 rums that complement each other, but I'm kinda done w doing math for fun for the evenin' ^^ , and I think the obvious combos are havana & duppy and santiago & duppy as they both give best or second best rums for each cocktail.
a tough question, I think Havana, Santiago, Duppy, Bacardi DMF and Santiago as an all rounder, don't think i'd touch Havana myself, i tend to shy away from the standard bar stock or favourites for some reason. I'm about to try Lazydog silver this weekend and i love the plantation one.
My suggestion is do a few rounds of various rum styles and pit all the winners for top spot. For us in my area Bacardi, Captian, Havana and Plantation three star are same price so I stock havana and Plantation and usually get gifted Bacardi.
Bout ya Steve. You should add up all the places and the rum that has the “lowest” total will be the winner, that will tell you which rum scored the best after all your tests. Good luck if there’s a dead heat lol 😆
For once, we're really fortunate over here cause we can get Plantation 3* and ED 3Y for 16.50 EUR which is roughly £13.70 😀. So a no brainer for me 😋 And no, I don't live in Canadia 😛
El havana club tres años es mejor, mas balanceado y mejor sabor ..un añejo blanco exquisito, agradable a la roca o para mezclar, de hecho es la base alcohólica para la coctelería cubana y muchas internacionales...antes de emigrar bacardi a Puerto Rico, también tenian un carta blanca, un añejo blanco y varios añejos...y ambos eran los más usados...me quedo con el habana 3..
Yeah, I considered points... but then if something won on points that wasn't brilliant in a key category...like a Daiquiri, it becomes a flawed system!
😂😂😂😂😂😂….🤦♂️ You’re Funny. But I commend your spelling of “Too” which is a step above the normal boring, hater, mood hoover brigade. Thanks for taking the time to comment though and help me on the engagement front! TH-cam loves that for the Algorithm! 😘
@@StevetheBarmanUK Nice review but it would be much appreciated if you can make it short, simple and interesting and less talking please. Don't take it bad please. We are watching your review and we want to see more action and less talking and simple explanation Steve. It's from critics or let's say advices that we learn and improve. Don't take it bad. We speak English too but your accent is a bit hard for me to understand and I have to listen twice sometimes. Anyway good review. Cheers
Hi Steve, well done for your thoroughness! A reliable assessment. I too have Havana Club 3yo as my white rum workhorse, my only other white rums are Aluna coconut and Wray & Nephew OP. Nick from York
I noticed that Bacardi is really good in cocktails, especially with less amount used. For example in pina colada I had to use 15% more plantation 3 star than bacardi to achieve the same intensity, but plantation was more complex and tasted better..
plantation 3 star is on my list i recently discovered it looking online through my liquor store website and bacardi superior is my current rum i liked it better than capt morgan or others, strange you have to use more of the 3star since its at above 41% and bacardi at 40% so its not the alc punch its the flavour strenght in the bacardi that is the helping factor i am thinking, i even joyed bacardi neat perhaps even chilled might be good i can only imagine plantation being better neat then according to your description and from what i read
Judging by your comparison I have taken the scores and calculated them together to get the mean… (also taking price into consideration)
1:Ron Santiago
2:Havana
3:Duppy Share
4:Bacardi
5:DMF
Ha, cheers mate. You’re not the first to do that. But as I said to the others, the whole reason I don’t add up scores is cos it’s flawed. I couldn’t confidently take RS into the next video, cos Hav3 smashed it on a Daiquiri. Bacardi smashed everything else in a Rum and Coke. So Scores just don’t work. 👍👍
“Neat mojito daiquiri” sounds like something you’d see on a service bar ticket from a clueless server
When you go up the price scale see if you can grab some Pampero Blanco. That’s my jam.
Great video… great content for the home rum lover. Can I suggest that since the results were so spread out between the rums, why not put your best rum in each category up against the premium selection in the category it won in to see how it fares. Usually people watching will have their favourite drink and will be interested to know how the best cheaper brand does in the race against more premium rums, so the result of those contests are much more interesting than seeing how a rum which only did well or ok in most of the categories does. Hopefully that makes sense.
Hey Graham, yeah deffo makes sense. Were having great chats about it in my Discord community and amongst my Membership. Plans are in place.
How about doing a comparison including supermarkets own brands such as Aldi, Lidl and Asda. It would be interesting so see results.
Similar to his kraken video?
hey Bernard, yeah, i have a few videos already like that on the Channel. Spiced and Aged Rums! 👍
Really enjoying this series Steve. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I got the Santiago for £18 at the weekend and I’m really enjoying it,great video again 👍
Hah, no wonder you're unsure how to pronounce the winner. I tried calculating one myself, using a bit of voting theory, and there's essentially an unbreakable tie almost however I look at it. Its honestly rather fun to see and work through such a gnarly example of a tie!
Taking the individual tests as 'voters' and the rums as candidates, you have a Condorcet cycle (ie rock-papers-scissors kind of situation), with 3 rums -- havana, santiago and duppy that would each win head to head against the remaining two (bacardi and the dead fingers one), and would all tie amongs themselves (making those three be in the so called Smith set). So number of wins is the same for the 3, hence no Copeland winner (which would be the one with most wins), and as there are no losses only ties among those 3, can't even break the tie by comparing the worst defeats. Can't use elimination methods either as they all just get tied again.
Using Black's election method, which is to say, using the Borda count when there's a tie like this, there is however the narrowest winner, and is Santiago de Cuba by a hair (11 points vs 10 for the other two). Eliminating the def losers and using the Borda count only among those three is again a tie, so no help there.
I see people already tried ranking them by calculating the mean, and it agrees with Santiago as well. Its basically the same thing as a borda count anyhow, as in both cases ranks become points in some straightforward & naive manner.
I think 'electing' Santiago by the narrowest of margins is the best one could do in such a situation overall, or else even better if possible, pronouncing it simply a 3-way tie.
You do have true (Condorcet) loser however, and that's bacardi; it will lose any head-to-head vs every other rum by 3 to 1.
I may use this example later to work through some multiwinner systems as well, perhaps to recommend 2 rums that complement each other, but I'm kinda done w doing math for fun for the evenin' ^^ , and I think the obvious combos are havana & duppy and santiago & duppy as they both give best or second best rums for each cocktail.
In Brazil, we are used to drink white cachaça neat. So I really like any neat rum. Havana is my favourite white rum, but I dont even refuse Bacardi.
Doing blind tastings like this, you soon realise Bacardi has a place! deffo!
a tough question, I think Havana, Santiago, Duppy, Bacardi DMF and Santiago as an all rounder, don't think i'd touch Havana myself, i tend to shy away from the standard bar stock or favourites for some reason. I'm about to try Lazydog silver this weekend and i love the plantation one.
I'm dead chuffed, I picked Havana n Duppy out before u started. Havana 3 is a nice white rum. Slurp. Now go for a lie down😀😀
Any supermarket own brand white rums ppl would recommend? Online customer reviews don't seem great on any I've seen so far
My suggestion is do a few rounds of various rum styles and pit all the winners for top spot. For us in my area Bacardi, Captian, Havana and Plantation three star are same price so I stock havana and Plantation and usually get gifted Bacardi.
steve i get the impression from you that you are dreaming of living in the tropics away from cold dreary england
What about Cruzan rum from USVI... that's my choice. Chrystal from PR is also good for cheaper rum. Both come in white and gold. 👍💯🌴🥰
We struggle with Cruzan in the UK, never had a regular supply.
So basically we need to shell out a ton and buy all five! 😂
If You are not a Cuba Libre lover, Havana Club is the best option.
I've usually gone for dark rums, however do the Jamaican white rums get the 'funk' similar to dunage wharehouse aged like the dark rums do?
Yeah...Some deffo do. Rum Bar for example! And obvs Rum Bar overproof and Wray & Nephew!!
Think in future you will have to do points and then the one with less points is overall winner 1point for 1st 5points for 5th then tally up at the end
YEah, I consider points... but then if something won on points that wasn't brilliant in a key category...like a Daiquiri, it becomes a flawed system!
Well, I live in Grenada now and El Dorado White is actually a cheap supermarket option here
Bout ya Steve. You should add up all the places and the rum that has the “lowest” total will be the winner, that will tell you which rum scored the best after all your tests. Good luck if there’s a dead heat lol 😆
I consider points... but then if something won on points that wasn't brilliant in a key category...like a Daiquiri, it becomes a flawed system!
what would you say are the most essential ODK stuff?
How do you mean?? Flavour wise?? If so, Coconut & Passion Fruit. After that, whatever floats your boat.
@@StevetheBarmanUK just meant for *general* cocktailing - gets used the most. thanks.
why would you want to compare white rum to the dark though?
Havana all the way. The Bacardi is boring.
For once, we're really fortunate over here cause we can get Plantation 3* and ED 3Y for 16.50 EUR which is roughly £13.70 😀. So a no brainer for me 😋 And no, I don't live in Canadia 😛
Bloody Canada!!! 😂
El havana club tres años es mejor, mas balanceado y mejor sabor ..un añejo blanco exquisito, agradable a la roca o para mezclar, de hecho es la base alcohólica para la coctelería cubana y muchas internacionales...antes de emigrar bacardi a Puerto Rico, también tenian un carta blanca, un añejo blanco y varios añejos...y ambos eran los más usados...me quedo con el habana 3..
I do get the bacardi and coke thing and been first 🙂
yeah, one of the guys pointed out in Discord, Havana actually market their Especial for Rum and Coke! So need to do a Best Rum & Coke Video!!!
Salud🍻🇲🇽
Choosing the winner must be the one with the most (actually least?) points. Ie 1st place 1 point, etc. ???
Yeah, I considered points... but then if something won on points that wasn't brilliant in a key category...like a Daiquiri, it becomes a flawed system!
Coke Zero , really?
And your problem is…?
Bacardi has no place in this line-up.. yuck
They put work on being good for Cuba LIBRE unlike gov owned Havanna hahahaha
A little long , too much talking and not Majito it's Mojito...must try on the accent
😂😂😂😂😂😂….🤦♂️ You’re Funny. But I commend your spelling of “Too” which is a step above the normal boring, hater, mood hoover brigade. Thanks for taking the time to comment though and help me on the engagement front! TH-cam loves that for the Algorithm! 😘
@@StevetheBarmanUK Nice review but it would be much appreciated if you can make it short, simple and interesting and less talking please. Don't take it bad please. We are watching your review and we want to see more action and less talking and simple explanation Steve. It's from critics or let's say advices that we learn and improve. Don't take it bad. We speak English too but your accent is a bit hard for me to understand and I have to listen twice sometimes. Anyway good review. Cheers
None of those.