THIS is the most PAINFUL video request I've ever received! It's Bon Jovi!?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ค. 2024
- As a Bon Jovi fan this is a difficult one! But here it is, we're taking a look at what happened to Bon Jovi's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction performance!
Official Video - • 2018 Bon Jovi Rock and...
Live Performance - • Bon Jovi ROCK and RO...
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0:00 Start
0:28 Request Background
3:53 Isolated Vocal Analysis
5:28 Layering for Comparison
7:09 Pre-Chorus Comparison
9:55 Why Did it Happen? Vocal Fatigue at Event
13:39 Miming Not an Option
14:01 Don't Hate the Player, Hate the Game
15:52 Comparisons and Use of Samples - บันเทิง
"To play a wrong note is insignificant. To play without passion is inexcusable." -Ludwig Von Beethoven
The first rocker.
@@allenswanson2423 yup
Love that.
LVB hard core classical for sure
It's absolutely impossible for Jon Bon Jovi or Bryan Adams to write a lyric that is an original thought and not a cliche. Whether that's a good or bad thing depends on whether you make your living as an accountant...
I met him once, entirely by accident. I was waiting for a dinner date in the piano bar of the Mariott Hotel in Hamburg. Outside, for no reason I knew of, were loads of screaming young girls, faces pressed against the glass! Well, I was just sat there, waiting, and spotted this guy at the bar. So I went over, sat on the stool next to him. I asked him "Any idea what all this is outside"? "Oh, don't ask... " he says, looking very gloomy and staring into his drink. Short guy. So I get him and me another drink, and chat about this and that in typically bloke-ish fashion.
"You here for work?"
"Yeah, sort of"
"Me too."
That type of thing. Anyway, after about ten minutes, my date arrives, waves at me from the door and I bid my sombre drinking buddy good evening. "Sorry I'm late" she says, "Client call went on a bit. Who was that at the bar?"
"Dunno. Just some bar guy. Seemed a bit sad and lonely"
She had a look and said "You know who that is? That's Jon Bon Jovi!"
Suddenly all the screaming girls outside made sense, but I felt a bit sorry for him. If I'd asked him if he'd like to come along I'll bet he'd have said yes. He seemed really sad and lonely, and relieved to talk to someone who didn't know him and didn't want anything from him.
And that's my Jon Bon Jovi story!
Great story Erny. I met a few celebs in my life, by chance and through job - and made it a rule to always treat them like a regular person, practically all of them liked that normal approach. Cheers from a Hamburg guy.
Much like the kicker for the Chicago Bears, who I found myself sitting next to at a bar I used to frequent. When he found out I have no interest in football, he relaxed, and we had a nice conversation. I wouldn't mind being rich, but I'd hate like hell to be famous.
What year is that bro
@@richiebonjovi1 Counting backwards, I guess that would have been 1993. I've never been what you might call a big Bon Jovi fan, but I know when I was there - working with a management consultancy who put us up in the best hotels - happy days!
I've always thought that with fame comes all the misery that accompanies it. Would I ever truly want it? No. Being an unknown and having the freedom to go anywhere and do anything without constant scrutiny is truly a gift. I'd hate to have that snatched away from me, because anonymity never comes back once it's gone.
When Pink Floyd reunited for the live 8 show, I waited all day and watched it live online. During the original stream, Dave and Roger were off multiple times. At some points, it sounded terrible, they were so off vocally. That same night, when I went to rewatch the performance, everything sounded perfect! I searched, but could never find the true live audio from that night. That was my first time noticing the pitch correction thing. Blew my mind.
Excellent example, I waited all day too. It was a very long wait with the promise that they were coming up next….
It doesn't sound like it's pitch corrected, seems like they simply recorded some vocals again.
I had this exact experience with that performance. I thought I was crazy and didn't hear what I know I heard.
We've all been duped. Over and over and over again. I stopped going to concerts in 2022.
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Good for you bc they are putting out h@rmfuI frequencies...
Notice ppl saying they lost their memory of the CONcert
they were just at?
Fil thank you for your kindness. Rather than just trashing him you explain what he was going through on that night and why he struggled. And for helping those of us listening to understand why and how the voice ages.
Hi there, I totally agree. Fil has explained it perfectly, while absolutely and totally not slating Jon. Because as a singer myself, I have been there on many occasions, and sometimes still do!! I hate when people slag off an artist if they don't hit the notes on the money. That's totally their ignorance in not understanding how much pressure a voice can be put under. I have to say in my humble opinion, the untreated vocal still sounds good and raw 😊 If the guitar player or bass player is out of tune, we're in the great position that we can tune our guitars, but it's not that clear cut for a vocalist. I enjoyed reading your comment. Sending blessings from Ireland 🤟☘🤟
Totally!
the voice doesn't age. It's lack of proper training mixed with misuse
I think we should all recognize what a good guy Fil actually is. He went out of his way to explain the less than stellar vocals in this video. I've never cared much for Bon Jovi, but I recognize the real issue of vocal fatigue in artists now that Fil explained it. Good job and thanks for the work.
Agreed. I’m also a little worried he may be upsetting an apple cart belonging to a very powerful machine. You interfere with the money making machine, and they go for the jugular. Some people can handle that, some cannot. It’s like some people can play the stock market without worry. Some people play the stock market and end up with an ulcer, or worse.
It’s important to know yourself.
Fil is an old soul whose parents raised him right.
I agree with what you say about Fil. Also I have never been a fan of Bon Jovi
Whether one likes John Bon Jovi or not, one has to acknowledge the fact that he had kept his marriage together for 32 years - something very unusual for such a famous person. Well done, John.
RJ... I could not agree with you more, regarding Fil; and I've felt that way long before this specific instance. His appreciation for music covers an enormous and very broad landscape, I have found... and he's an excellent player as well.
He has, in this post, gone out of his way to be sure that this was not an attack on the guy's singing capability; but rather a discussion on the technicality issues present in today's popular music scene, and perhaps even the market's expectations from the 'suits' point of view. It was not a 'vocals' critique.
I like the band actually, from an instrumental perspective, but I have always disliked John's 'bubble gum' vocals that have kept me away from any real interest in the group.
I always look forward to Fil's posts and have a great interest in what he has to say. That's why I subbed after the first time checking this channel out.
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Unfortunately, rest or not - Jon's voice is permanently damaged.
There really isn't a good night for him anymore.
I saw Bon Jovi once. Opened for the Scorpions. They literally got boo'd off the stage.
Jon made it worse by crying "This isn't fair. We came all the way out here to play for you guys....." in a really whiney, self-entitled tone of voice.
My friend turned to me and said, "Who the h*** asked him to? We came to see the Scorpions, not this bozo!"
Some time later, I started hearing Bon Jovi on the radio. I couldn't believe it was the same band.
That's why Alice Cooper has always made sure his band and studio musicians don't make the music they're recording so complex and difficult that it's virtually impossible to replicate live. It has to be able to be played live, and played well, he's always said.
Tool…..
Genesis - Supper's Ready, Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick, Pink Floyd - Echoes, Shine on You Crazy Diamond, Dream Theatre - The Dance of Eternity, ... (any one of those bands has 10s of songs that are incredibly complicated)
@@dr_jacko u black?
That explains why his music is so awful.
Glen Cambell is really great then as he was a session musician who transitioned and became arguably the greatest country guitarist live ever.
I'm a big fan of Bon Jovi not only as an artist, but as a wonderful human being. I appreciated he wants to be transparent in his singing. I think he's lost a lot of his vocal range due to all the years of touring, and the fact he is aging. I'm still going to love him. Good or bad. Thank you for the analysis.
Very much agree , but thought I'd share a personal story that i think is also common for vocal issues that few people are aware of. About 15 years ago ( I'm 57) i started losing my singing and talking voice. I had trouble swallowing, was always hoarse , ears popped ,and my range, pitch and tone were declining fast despite being trained on proper technique. I was scoped and no damage was found. Speech therapy didn't help. In the end it turned out to be an issue with my NECK that had to do with misalignment with the atlas bone . In short I wasn't getting proper nerve flow to my throat and ears. The muscles had bound up as well and were squeezing my throat and adams apple. I had the atlas bone adjusted and some deep tissue massage done to loosen things up and all the issues cleared up . I have seen this same thing happen to friends that sing and they had the same great result with the same treatment. So don't forget to get your neck looked at if you are a vocalist .
Thanks for the warning.
Yes it happens...i loved singing but my voice suddenly became horse & it turned out to be my neck...unfortunately mine's due to Rhumatoid Arthritis and cant be fixed...i sing now & then tho lol 🤘🏻
I'm not a trained vocalist but about 20 years ago I started writing music I never I always loved music I just didn't put myself into it and I noticed in the last 5 years maybe more my voice is gone it's like I'm told Jeff and what you just told me is I don't know if you're familiar with fibromyalgia but your muscles and your nerves and everything are all messed up like I'm in pain all the time from a really just under my shoulder blade all the way to the bottom of my foot and I'm very in degrees cuz some days it's not too bad today is really bad that being said those nerves there are nerves and muscles that go you know even the tip of my head from where I'm talking about we're talking about my sciatica in this particular thing I have several issues and I also have chronic fatigue that means my whole body will just stop it'll just feel like I can't go on another second and it can be like a light switch like I can be doing pretty good and then that light switch will turn off and I mean I have to go to bed I'm going to start crying and I'm not aware I really not even for 70 year old lady and so while I probably won't go to an extensive thing to find out about my voice cuz I'm certainly not a professional I'm not even a choir singer in the church but I love to sing and I can hear for myself how bad it is I sing anyway but thanks for the information it's really kind of cool to learn this stuff
Vitamin B1 will help with that. It strengthens the phrenic nerves and extra water for hoarseness!
@@donnahilton471 thank you ✝️🛐💙
Such a clear and concise explanation of vocal fatigue! Fil has the ability to explain what’s happening so well. The explanation of pitch correction was also excellent.
Fil is a gem, he knows how to analyze with utmost Respect & expertise 👌🏽
"As you can tell by my hair". Lol!
I went to an Eagle's concert at Lake Tahoe. It was great. When they sang "In the City" Joe Walsh and someone else both missed their high note twice. They looked at each other and started laughing. On the third round , they nailed it!
What song was it?
@@lds251 You can't read?
@@mellotronn oh sorry, missed it,
I wish TH-cam had laugh reactions...lol @ comments 😆
Now Henley lip-syncs
Fil, you are a “musician’s musician” and a terrific human being! Never stop doing what you do. The world needs you bro!
Your insight into the challenges that vocalists face during a gruelling tour is an eye opener! I saw Bon Jovi live back in 1987 at Castle Donnington. He was , of course, superb. He even excelled while clambering up the lighting rig!! A great performance by a brilliant band. Thanks Fil for flexing your expertise. Always enjoy your videos. 😊
I saw them that year too. Remember him singing while in a flying rig out over the crowd.
I saw that show. I was stationed there while in the USAF. I remember that all day the bands were more metal. After Dio, I thought Bon Jovi would let me down. But I was impressed.
I too was at that gig and every Monster of Rock after.
Thats when they were young and full of energy..1987 was bon jovis prime
Can remember that and there being more women attending lol
I consider myself fortunate to have seen Bon Jovi live in his prime during the late 80's and early 90's. The power of his voice was mind blowing! You talk about voice fatigue. One of the performances I saw was in pouring rain. His voice powered through perfectly nonetheless.
It's sad that the years seem to have taken a toll on that once mighty voice of his. But it sure hasn't killed the man's passion to rock on! God bless him.
different strokes I guess. I would never consider Bon Jovi a naturally talented elite singer. Certainly a gifted front-man.
Fil, I want to address this to you. I've been a subscriber of yours for awhile now. I have learned much while watching your videos. You make music assessable to people like me. I really appreciate your honesty and integrity and background with all the artists you analyze with all types of music. Please keep up the great work.
Thanks for the kind words!
Yes absolutely. Fil, you’re a wealth of talent and knowledge. Love your reviews. Very chill and relaxing demeanor.
He is just like a friend you have but very knowledgeable and having a good talk/discussion with you. Great person and youtuber imo!
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Well said!
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Aàaa 🔥 thanks 😊
Ah, you really are such a thoughtful, nice guy, Fil! This could easily have gone to a nasty place. Instead, you’re sympathetic & very informative here. Well done, Fil! Btw, I’ve met Jon & he’s also an extremely nice guy. 👍
Thanks, Fil. You do inspire us so! Keep that contagious smile for us? Love you! You are the best!
Perfect analysis, as always , Fil !!!! Thank you so much for all you do 🎵🎶🎶🎵🎶🎵🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟You rock !!!!👍😁🌟❤️
With this explanation I'm even more impressed with performers like Elvis & Janis & so many other "classic" or "old" musicians. Elvis performed 2 or 3 shows a night for WEEKS in Vegas. No auto tune, no sweetening, just pure raw talent. I'm more in awe of real talent as time goes by. We all have "off" days. Jon just had an "off" night! Love the video.
They also died before their voices had time to be wracked by age
Yeah nothing like the older bands & singers. I read a quote from Rick Wakeman where he said a friend of his told him you have to see this new band they sound great to which Rick said yep & they’ll sound the same every night his friend asked what he meant he said a lot of new bands play & sing with backing tracks & pitch correction.
Considering Janis died at 27…
What was the duration of an 'Elvis show' ?.. Around an hour or so per 'show' ?..
@@donaldcook3112 Elvis did 2 shows a night, about an hour and a half, for one month, twice a year. 3 shows sometimes on Saturday night. Tahoe, and grueling road touring in between throughout the 70's. Nobody, ever worked more than Elvis worked. I saw much of it. In the middle he did a Hawaii concert, seen by a billion and a half people via satellite in '73. He could not have lived a long life working as he did. He should not have been on stage the last year, but I saw him December '76 in Vegas, still at it with road shows ahead. And, bless his heart, all the while never turning down autographs of any of his millions of beloved fans. I have hundreds of pictures of him signing. He so loved his fans.
What You said in the intro of this analysis video what set you apart from others on TH-cam. You are an excellent music appreciation teacher of all genre and era of music. 👍🤘 Thanks Fil
Thanks for the kind words!
Fil's an excellent teacher, no doubt about it! He's the BEST! Hope you're feeling better Drew. 🤗
@@cindypowers4993 Hi friend... I am taking each day one by one on the road to recovery. Thanks for brightening up my Friday night I hope all is okay with you. 😊💜✌
@@drewpall2598 Glad to hear that Drew! I am well, thank you! ☮️💙
Wonderful video, Fil. Back in the day, I heard artists that astounded me when I heard them sing live, using limited technology: The Hollies with Graham Nash and later Crosby, Stills and Nash, Linda Ronstadt, Andy Williams, Ella Fitzgerald, Liza Minelli, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, Three Dog Night, Robert Plant (Led Zep, Central Park, 1969) You simply could not fake it back then...you had to be good. No digital witchcraft.
As a Monitor Sound Engineer for live sound I would also like to add that his pitch problem may have been related a monitor mix problem. It is critical that singers hear themselves at a comfortable level and that they can hear the band mix well for pitch cues. A poor monitor mix can ruin a singers performance. That may be in part what happened at this performance. In addition, as singers get older and have fried their ears from years of listening to loud monitors it can be difficult for them to sing on pitch even with a great monitor mix. Not saying the Bon Jovi has hearing problems but if I were a betting man I would bet that his ears are compromised.
I love my personal monitor. I can turn up any vocalist or instrument in my ear buds as I need to. I use the tar out of it for individual songs.
I was on stage as a drummer and my monitor wasn't on first song..I couldn't hear anything..was a disaster...
Although what you say is 100% true and a good live mix/monitor mix can definitely make a great band sound terrible, that's 100% not what's going on with Jon's voice.
He's mainly deaf
WHAT??? sry cant hear you@@1manshtshowandautobodystuf891
Steve Miller's comments about the RRHOF (2016 induction) Give him a listen. A cut and paste. When asked to elaborate on his criticisms, he revealed that the whole induction process is "unpleasant" and said "they need to respect the artists they say they’re honoring, which they don't."
Steve Miller really ripped RRHOF a new one that night! It should be re - named The Rock & Roll Hall Of Fraud!
@@markmiwurdz202 ...well you have Janet Jackson in the HOF ...but not Badfinger ??
@@marksc1929 Or Mark Farner and Ted Nugent, I wonder why?
@Sick Squid Or Little Feat, or Blue Oyster Cult? Two bands who have been around for 50 years (or nearing for BOC). The powers - that - be at RRHOF are clueless!
@@sicksquid3258 Nugent doesn't fit their narrative.
Saw Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers 4 times and every single time they sounded even better live
Saw Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers 4 or 5 times myself, and can attest to that in every way...✌️
I saw them only once, but it was later in Tom’s life, and he sounded wonderful! Tom had a very easy, sustainable singing style, though.
@@kelleyforeman you are spot on. I love Tom and cover his songs regularly. JBJ had a much more demanding and athletic style which would be much more prone to fail under pressure or due to age.
Saw Tom live 3 times and I agree!
Judas Priest was another band that sounded better live too.
Cool story but they don’t have a song in their catalogue which takes the stamina required to sing parts like the chorus to Living On A Prayer.
"That's exactly how I intend to keep things on this channel". I applaud your honesty and integrity and consistency. Plus you strive to be positive about each artist/act. That's why I keep watching your channel. Although I would like to see you occasionally rip into a bad performance and point out the mistakes in a "not so positive" way.
Was signed to an independent label in Manhattan, mid 80s. Guess about '86. I wanted to increase my range to belt out higher notes. Reluctantly (my falsetto got a lot of attention) my manager sent me to a vocal coach. Several times in a short period my classes were canceled. While venting about it to another student i learned that our coach had been flying out to different cities around the country. Apparently, one of his students was playing stadiums for the first time and was having some difficulties. A few months later i arrived a bit early for my class and the previous student was just leaving. Ripped jeans, shaggy blond hair. Ahhh! It all suddenly added up.
Fil, I appreciate the way you always approach these analysis videos, with tact, understanding, and transparency. Along with your breakdown skills, including situational analysis and impacts, we get to look beyond the results, whether good, bad, or ugly. Anyone who has not played live events cannot fully understand the many things that have to go right to get as close to perfect as possible, including the venue, the tech support & sound and so much more. Thank you Sir!
The hardest part of a singers career is knowing when to stop.
So true. If they don't get it, then somebody needs to tell them.
Case in point: Paul McCartney.
It's hard to tell someone to hand over the car keys because they shouldn't drive anymore, ...or sing......
@@micheladonofrio2285 Whenever I have this same discussion with someone, I use McCartney as the perfect example. He had perfect pitch way back when, but he's absolutely cringe worthy now. Actually for at least 15 years. Remember seeing him on SNL 10 - 20 years ago, and it was painful. That's how awful he was, sad to say.
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I like Paul’s newest.
Yes, he’s older, and his vocals aren’t the same as back in his heyday, but what he’s doing now may be a different vocal attack from what your ears want to hear, but it’s still good art.
That’s not the case. Bruce is way older than him. And there are others. It’s just he was never good.
Thanks for a very interesting video -- love your upbeat and honest approach!
Another great anaysis. I love the way you explain the challenges without tipping over into making excuses
That was very interesting and once again I learned more about music in one of your videos then I have in my entire life. Thank you for sharing.
I do love this channel. You’re so good at what you do, and your delivery is stellar. Well done on this channel.
Another great review, thanks Fil 😊!
Great analysis. Thank you for explaining the situation regarding the strain on an inductees vocal chords, it made a huge difference for me to understand that.
I do love your work - it is a fantastic insight into not only the processes themselves but also where and when they are helpful. I still would love to see someone such as Pavarotti singing, say, Nessun Dorma. This is not just about whether he hits the notes, or perhaps rather how quickly he hits the notes, but, given the software you use, it would fascinating to see what makes his signing voice so special. Your comments would be incredibly helpful. Thanks again for your work.
Jon Bon Jovi has absolutely LOST HIS VOICE! Whatever the technical term is does not negate the fact that he’s struggling during every song he sings! Anyone with hearing knows this! I honestly believe that the attempt to have Richie Sambora rejoin the group is a diversion to take the focus temporarily away from Jon’s vocal issues! It’s very sad but, I would say it’s time for Bon Jovi to “hang it up” unless there is some way to resolve his vocal problem!
Yea, I agree.
One of the greatest voices ever in rock is gone. I was shocked last time I saw them. I do believe bringing richie back might help, I don’t hate auto tune for an aging performer , like Brian Wilson in 2012 tour. Loved seeing him and why would you want him to struggle and be embarrassed as he is a genius and if he needed a little help , I’m ok with that.
Maybe it's time but, he could be having vocal problems, lymph node problems, ect. Or a cold or allergies. Sore throat.
I would not write him off just yet.
singers always have off performances or vocal problems. age does not matter.
@@DianeLake-sw3ym Age does matter; voices change. Female mezzo-sopranos become contraltos and male tenors become baritones. Listen to some of the older singers who just can't seem to reach 'those' notes anymore.
He can't get out of the machine 😢
There are rock singers Jon's age whose voices are still in excellent shape, take Tommy Shaw from Styx or Joseph Williams from Toto for example. Jon never had a good vocal technique, which coupled with smoking since the early 90s and near-constant touring from 1985 onward has absolutely shredded his voice.
Absolute incredible content here. Fil always nails it!
Thank you for this explanation on how software plays a huge part. And, being an older man, it's not an excuse but the reality is although we try, many times we just can't perform like we used to. So, like Fil is doing here, let's give Bon Jovi his props for performing the best he could given these difficult circumstances.
Nice job here Wings of Pegasus. You called it down the middle my friend. Let the good times roll!
Fil, I love you and all your videos. Thank you for making them. Your knowledge of music is phenomenal. ❤
I find all this kinda stuff fascinating. Thank you for putting these balanced reviews out there on TH-cam. What a professional.
Fil, a lot of the comments are mentioning old singers needing to give up, which makes me think of the new ABBA album. The vocals by the ladies in their seventies sound not only powerful and accurate, but also very natural to my ears. Particularly the track Bumblebee. Any chance of an analysis? If pitch correction is being used, then it's very good, I'd be fascinated in your findings
I used to work next to an amp repair tech that used "dancing Queen" as his test song. Nothing else, ever. I had to hear it incessantly every day. This is why I think that ABBA should have quit in 1975, and tried for crimes against humanity...
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Joni Mitchell wrote and performed Clouds when she was a teenager. It was brilliant but her performance of the same song in her 60s was sublime.
@@pamwatson5905 and Bowie's Blackstar album could only have been sung by a dying man of his age.
That is because ABBA is ABBA not have ever needed autotune crap they just sing naturally good
You are incredibly knowledgeable...Your analysis is so appreciated. Thank you!
I enjoy your perspective and knowledge in explaining what happened here. Keep up the great work. 👍 ✌
Over the age of 50 singers,they all sound different,some better than others,I saw Bon-Jovi in 1986 with the The Slippery When Wet Tour,and he was great,who cares if they can't do it now,they were still better then than alot of people will ever be.
And still better than anything these days
Imho Rod Stewart got better with age
@@Zach-ls1if no he didn't,he sounded great in the 70's,not so good now.
I've been a full-time acoustic solo for 30 years and at 54, I wouldn't trade todays voice for my 24 or 34 year old voice. I can hit higher notes than ever, have a nice rasp to sing CCR, Springsteen, Rod Stewart stuff and a deeper, fuller bottom end...and my vibrato happens effortlessly and automatic where I used to force it. I play 4 hour+ high energy gigs and during the Summer I play over 100 gigs in a row without a day off and sometimes twice a day. Anyway, not bragging as I'm no one famous but I hate when people thing that you just "lose" your voice after a certain age. Depends on your overall health and habits, lifestyle etc. In my experience weed and beer seem to help lol
@@timzauto I didn’t mean better now, but through the decades after the 70’s. Of course this is matter of opinion, and also he covered more material in the 2000’s than ever, so we got exposed to more of his voice. Anyhow, great voice in the 70’s and still a great voice.
Great job … and so very educational! I totally want to hear my chosen artists “live” and without pitch correction. I’m quite sure Steve Perry with Journey didn’t use and many of the other 70’s rock bands DIDN’T use pitch correction! Thanks, also, for standing up for Jon and pointing out that he had probably done quite a few interviews and had not been able to rest his voice.
thank you so much for all you do!
these are such excellent videos , I have learned so much about vocal processing from this channel , absolutely love the Bert Lahr video , his talent absolutely flew over my head , and I now have the Judy Garland rendition on my rock play list , a very close friend is a vocal teacher having an opera background, he talks about this stuff , but seeing it is brilliant
Yeah, huge respect to Jon, considering his work schedule and the difficulty of the songs he wasn't too bad all things considered for the non-pitch-corrected version. I remember we used to cover a few Bon Jovi songs back when I played in a classic rock band and our singer who was really good hated the Bon Jovi songs because they were so tough for him. Sometimes when we were rehearsing and gigging a lot he'd get us to skip the Bon Jovi songs in the rehersals so he could let his voice recover a bit, or get us to do Living on a Prayer down a half step so he could face that modulation in the last chorus without dying XD
I had never heard of auto tune until I started watching you. Fascinating stuff.
Fil, thank you for sharing your knowledge, expertise and love for music.
Great job...love the way you break things down..
I seen/heard Bon Jovi in the early 80's. Bon Jovi was the warm up band for Van Halen. When Van Halen came on stage, DLR made a comment that they were going to have to step it up to top that performance. I agreed, at that time I didn't even know of the band Bon Jovi . I'm 54 now, then I was only 'bout 14. How time flies on by.
I appreciate what you do. Gives us all a more appreciation of the arts. Including you as well. Brilliant!
I saw Bon Jovi open for Ratt back in the day. anybody even remember Ratt? That night no one had a clue who this Bon Jovi was but they blew Ratt off the stage. After Bon Jovi Ratt‘s performance seemed rather dull. lol lol. Spoiled we were
Love your channel❤You absolutely did this in the most loving & classy way. 👏 ❤Some of our youth do not realize how manipulated some of their favorite artist have been. There seems to be a massive abuse of autotune & voice manipulation, which is not true music in my opinion, but what do I know🤔?
I have no technical knowledge of music but I find your analyses so interesting and I am learning a lot! Thank you!
I love how u do these videos and explain it! 👍🏻💚
I'm so glad you talked about vocal rest and exhaustion and the challenges of touring and interviews. It's clear listening to him that he was tired.
I guess there's an implication that it's improper to use vocal modification software in live performances. The reality is that the voice has been modified since the introduction of electronics, and before that, in the acoustic design of performance venues. This is why opera singers sing the way they do to be clearly heard in an opera house or concert hall above an orchestra - because they (usually) don't use amplification because they're representing the raw voice and a time where that was the only option. The formants in opera singers have harmonics way above instruments. The introduction of the microphone and amplification allowed singers to sing very differently because they didn't have to compete with their accompaniment and fill a room with their voice and that dramatically changed popular music.
In the end, it's about entertainment and creating good music. We can admire perfect spectacular singing and also musical artistry that moves us. After all, that's the purpose of music. The lines are blurring and perhaps that's okay. It's not all about athleticism. It's only an issue if an artist is misrepresenting themselves.
I think you’ve been very fair to all the artists you’ve analyzed, as you intended. Thank you.
Fantastic review and tutorial Fil. MUCH appreciated. The ‘industry’ as a whole..is madness for a musician/vocalist to say the least. “Thanks” for the complex explanations of how the game’s played brother..Play on!
After watching a pile of your videos, I finally did it! I was able to differentiate between the pitch corrected version & the actual version. I’m getting there. Thank you for informative videos.
Cool!
Well explained, and so true. I appreciate your empathy.
As always, thank you for the musical education. And, more importantly, your kindness. From all accounts, Jon Bon Jovi is a good and giving human. No one wants to be remembered for the moments when their voices failed them.
Well done! I'm impressed. My opinion of your ability to analyze music, just went up substantially, after watching and listening to/watching this video! The graphics that compared the waveforms were excellent and impressive! Again well done and best wishes!
Thanks!
Spot-on, chap!
Love your work, Fil 🤘❤
Is it just me or does any else like "real" live music. No miming, no auto tune, no pitch correct. Just raw music imperfections and all. If I want to listen to musicians sounding like their studio albums than I will just stay home, instead of spending loads of money on tickets, parking, food, & drink. Having to get the day off of work etc...
It's getting harder to find...But I couldn't agree more.
Omg TOTALLY agree!! If they can sing & play the instruments then go for it!! Who knows....they may improve lol Thats why losing great live performers like Stevie Ray Vaughan is even more tragic 🤘🏻
1000%
Dave Matthews Band is better live and they never do the same set list so ya never know which songs they will do. He's all about live versus studio.
Absolutely!
Jon Bon Jovi will be remembered for the songs he wrote and how he performed them, not for being a great singer.
But he WAS a fantastic singer
Agreed. I was never very impressed by his singing. Certainly not one of the greats. Great frontman, yes. Great vocalist, no. Put him alongside Pail Rogers, Chris Cornell (RIP) or Sammy Hagar in his prime - JBJ wasn’t close. I don’t really buy the excuses on his behalf. I’ve heard other performances where he falls very flat. If the pre-performance talking is the cause, then it suggests a lack of professionalism to me. The great singers in their later years generally prioritise their vocal condition/performance above the media circus.
@@edwardjons8684 Richie was THE singer in the group. Saw him perform Stranger in this Town in a small venue in Red Bank, Nj - Wow!! Incredible experience
@@amagickalmeliss ..Richie covered a LOT of the high notes once Jon could no longer hit them. Now Jon just points the mic at the audience to let them cover it.....Richie's not a bad "scratch" guitar player either :-)
And, for being ridiculously hot.
You’re a good egg. Thanks for the honest assessment. Seen Bon Jovi live twice and it was an amazing experience. To paraphrase the post below, they always have passion.
Absolutely fascinating! Thank you so much for this. I learned something today! (Cue “the more you know” rainbow and star)
JBJ has been struggling with those notes for the better part of 25 years now -- this is not a new development. But, he always had Richie Sambora to help him out when he was having a rough night -- until recently, that is, since Richie has left the band. And the not-so-big secret is that Richie was actually the better vocalist. Soulful with great range, and great harmonies. There's nobody in the band now that has as strong of a voice to back Jon up and it shows.
Have you heard Phil X sing ??? .. he's a better singer than the two of them put together .. with all due respect 🤷♂️
@@alexhowatson I've only heard Phil X live with Bon Jovi and his voice is either buried in the mix or just it's just not that apparent. Or maybe he's just not a good vocal compliment for Jon. I'll have to check out some of Phil's other stuff. With Richie, it's almost a Michael Anthony situation - - you don't realize how much he brings until he's gone.
without Richie they are not the same and not as good.
Nah. 2010-2013 he was ok. 2014 something happened. 2019-21 be can't sing anymore.
@@ticatcrash Yeah, something happened around that time, alright -- Richie left the band. Like I said, Richie and Jon complimented each other exceptionally in the vocal department to point where you sometimes couldn't tell them apart. Which was great when Jon was having a bad night. Once Richie was gone, it was laid bare just how bad Jon's voice had gotten over the years. It didn't happen overnight but if you look around, you'll find that Jon was already avoiding a lot of those high notes in the mid-90's.
Hey Fil, I'd be really interested to hear your Pitch analysis of Patsy Kline singing almost anything. She's such a great example of expressive and musical application of non diatonic tones. She slides around all over the place and it sounds great, but may look disordered on screen.
Whaddaya think?
God I love her. Never really occurred to me that she used glissandos all over the place but now you say it I realise how true that is. I’ll never unhear it now. 🧐
In lots of videos I'm not positive I hear the differences you are pointing out with the graphics. This time, I could immediately hear the difference.
I've learned a lot from your videos. Thank you.
Wow interesting breakdown. 👍🏻 Very informative. I never would have thought of all those factors. Maybe you could do something with this year's tour, concerning his vocals. ? Thanks for the hard work
Really really good video mate. You hit the perfect mix of professional analysis and opinion while being an actual fan. Very good information and detail. Well done 👏👏👏
I’m a huge Bon Jovi fan myself - it was Richie Sambora who inspired me to pick up the guitar in the first place (I’m also a fan of Phil X too btw) and I have huge respect for Jon. And today’s music business and how it’s so connected with social media leaves no room for error. If a vocalist (or band etc) gives a bad live performance it’s up online (TH-cam etc) before they even get back to their hotel room. If it’s really bad it could affect concert ticket sales etc. It’s a very serious business so I can understand attraction of bands wanting to product their sound etc as much as they can. There’s a lot resting on it. And especially with Bon Jovi and other 80’s type Rock bands, it’s a very unforgiving genre, hard enough to do when you’re in your prime - not the easiest to recreate night after night when you get older
Thanks!
We all age. With age comes change. This man should be honored for the charitable work he is doing after having a fabulous music career.
Super super interesting video, thanks Fil
just love your channel and your music. thanks
Thanks!
I stumbled on this channel. I love it! Very original honest unbiased content! It shows music has many cheat codes. But we know who the real artists are! Keep the music going!
This is THE example I’d give a non-musician to do an eyes closed test. I, personally, believe a casual listener could distinguish the two on this one.
Absolutely. These two are completely different.
Casual listener here, can't tell the difference 😂 I can see it in the waveforms, as there's the visible lines to compare it to, but still can't hear the difference. It's like my brain immediately forgets what it just heard when the other version starts 😆
I did hear it in the video where Fil autotuned Freddie Mercury, but only when the effect was immediate. The more subtle versions are just too subtle for me. I need to really know a song so well that I know exactly what to expect, only then can I tell if something's off.
@@durabelle Admire the honesty 😂. Interesting point of bouncing between the two, but try closing your eyes on just the first example he plays. I do wonder if I’d have any clue prior to picking up guitar and vocals 15 years ago ha. Bon Jovi’s still a legend in my book!
I guess most singers voices change over time especially in rock music, it must be very tough on the vocal chords.
Thankyou so much for the explanation, you've made sense of it, and you're kindness and understanding towards the musicians featured in your videos is heartwarming. Keep up the good work 👏
I love your respect for the artist and your speaking about some of the pitfalls that a vocalist can encounter. I've loved music my entire life. I grew up singing to my parents' records. Then my brothers and sister's. I was unaware that I could sing well enough that people actually wanted to hear me do it. My 20s and 30s I had a great time playing in church bands and even playing in neighboring towns,etc. And even at that novice level, I was mortified if I was singing below "my capacity". I can't imagine how much more difficult for a professional musician it would be to succumb to fatigue, or overwork, stress, etc. And then factor in the natural aging of your voice. There's notes I can't reach now on a ladder. I still get the opportunity to sing publicly,( karaoke). And folks usually enjoy it as do I. Performing for others is satisfying. Anyway, I'm rambling. You seem to be doing well and I hope to see more of you soon. Peace!
I love this guy, he has been my music hero since the day I saw him in concert in Detroit singing Dead or Alive in 1986 . He has brought a lot of joy to my life. Thanks John !!!
Thanks for analyzing, but not dissing!
Seeing Bon Jovi live was a fantastic experience 🙂
Great video! 👍
Eye-opening video, thanks!
The chorus for Livin’ on a Prayer, Jon hasn’t sung the ‘response’ half live for years, even 20+ years ago on that part of the chorus he always held the mic out to the crowd. Obviously at RnR HOF they used the backing track to fill that space because the crowd wouldn’t have been anywhere near the size that Bon Jovi play to on an actual tour date. I think I heard somewhere he wore his voice down or completely blew it out back in the late 80s/early 90s and made the decision not to sing those high belts anymore?
I also noticed he tends to miss the first word of a line, it’s very obvious on the first verse of YGLABN he was skipping the first word on every line.
Fil, you are a true gentlemen! You are always very considerate with all of the talents that you analyze. I agree with several people who commented that anyone, if you sing long enough, can have an off day or for some an off week. We all age differently and so do our voices. I also agree with the people that commented on ELVIS and JANIS JOPLIN. Sadly, neither of them really had to face the hands of time. They did not have the opportunity! But in my heart of hearts, I truely believe that both of their voices would have endured a full lifetime. ELVIS sometimes would do 2 shows in the morning and maybe one longer one at night when he was in Vegas. Heavens, that would kill anybody! I loved them both! I think that ELVIS still sounded good throughout 1976. I can't bring myself to watch anything from 1977. He still sounded good but looked like he was in so much pain. However, I believe that ELVIS, given the opportunity, would never have wanted his voice altered in anyway. I actually wish that auto tune or anything that would take away the authenticity of any voice had never been invented. A beautiful song or voice is a GOD given talent and it almost feels like an imitation or a little cheat when auto tune or improvements are made. As always Fil, you are always spot on and I really enjoy your very authentic reactions. Stay true, we all love you!
How am I just now seeing this one? I’m going to say that Jon just had a bad night! I could tell what was not pitch edited; I just have an ear for that because I still have difficulty understanding your equipment Fil! The last time I saw the group live, which was before the induction, they were phenomenal! Jon was on pitch, the sound was great and didn’t blast my ears like most shows can . . . He was good, he was damn good! 😍
Just watched the 4-part Jon Bon Jovi series on one of the streaming services (in Australia) - I want to say Disney+ but could have been Amazon Prime. It covers this period I think. It must be very hard and emotionally very challenging when the thing you've relied on and have been known for for so long starts to let you down.
According to the series, it was vocal cord atrophy I think, which happens as we age. I'm pretty sure this hall of fame moment was before his corrective surgery, while he was struggling with it. Which would explain the vocal fatigue, which is a symptom (along with reduced volume and some other things).
To be honest, I was never really into Bon Jovi, though I liked a couple of their songs, but I really appreciate your thoughtful and considerate approach to this analysis Fil. In my opinion it took real guts for Jon to get up there knowing his voice wasn't really up to it, and still manage a decent approximation to the song.
Love to see you analyze the various voice stylings of Paul McCartney. His range was amazing from Lady Madonna to Here,There & Everywhere.
Once again, I was thoroughly entertained by this video! I always learn so much from you. When you said that live bands these days use a lot of this technology and you "rarely" will hear the real deal, that was pretty shocking to me. I think that's a shame, really, for younger audiences. Autotune and pitch correction are sort of the audio equivalent of a hologram, aren't they? What you're hearing isn't really there. It's not real. I remember back in the day, you'd be humiliated and drummed right out of the industry if you dared try to fake something live or otherwise. I've gotta say, I liked it that way. So thank you, Fil, for another eye opening video!
Love your videos. I missed this one when it came out. Great voice analysis, but in retrospect we now know Bon Jovi was dealing with some serious vocal problems at that time which eventually led him to recent vocal surgery which will hopefully return his voice to something closer to what it was in his prime.
Thank you for your analysis
These videos are showing that these technologies, although often overused, can have benefits. The correction here has been well done, as Fil says. And whilst it can often remove expression to the detriment of the song, here the corrected version sounds much better. These tools can be used well, and this is an example.
Really admire how Fil can accurately describe something; ie auto tune, almost pulling the words out of thin air , to make something easy to understand.
Interesting channel you have. Well done! I remember when I was younger, so many black and white movies had the sound track changed to someone else's voice. It might be interesting as well to look at old movies and see if the actor is really using his own voice.
Love your channel ❤
Fil my favorite TH-camr!!!
I was fortunate to catch Bon Jovi open for the Scorpions at a big San Diego venue in 83-84(?).
The Scorps' walked out to a very warmed up rocking crowd that night.
I figured then he (Bon Jovi) had a solid career ahead of him. I had just been turned on to "Runaway" the week before. 🤟
Good stuff my man. Thanks for keeping it real and not covering for musicians just because you like them.
Raise all the hopes of everyone you see. phil you are the gentleman of the business & encourage the best performance from everyone you see, meet & & hear.
Thanks for the analysis. I hope that Jon gets well. He's still having problems with his vocals on his current tour. I hope that his voice can recover. I'm saddened that Jonny Lang has severe vocal problems.