HUGE DEBATE! Jim White, Danny Murphy and Simon Jordan CLASH over the future of VAR in football
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First time I've understood why people don't like Jim.
Jim White constantly interrupting when he is proven wrong classic
How the flying F... did Jim White Get a job like this?
Who you blow
Because he’s a sensationalist.
Bjs lots of bjs
As newsreaders go, hes right up there. The people in charge want you thinking a certain way and his job is to make anything else seem stupid.. bear in mind scrapping var and losing the esl is too much for them to take
Every once in a while he has to twerk for Rupert Murdoch whilst wearing a pink thong
Jim, please stop interrupting. We tune in to listen to Simon and Danny.
Jim White even makes Danny Murphy seem likeable when he's next to him
Jim White is stealing a living tbh
What Jim White knows about football, could be written on the side of a stamp.
Jim being exposed for being a rat. Fair play to Simon for calling him out
I guarantee if Chelsea were 1-0 up and Leicester had 'scored' that 88th minute goal and had it been ruled out, the reaction would be completely different and Jim for a start would be slating VAR.
Thats Spot on.its obvious who he was rooting for..if Leicester had been denied an equaliser White would be incandescent about how they were robbed.
exactly, everyone just wants a leicester fairytale at the expense of a good final.
Well it's funny that they didn't mention the goal that Tielemans scored had a handball in the lead up but VAR didn't overturn that. (I'm not saying it should have been overturned, but nobody knows what is and isn't a handball)
Facts. Here’s an even better one if England get in the semi final or cup of the euros or World Cup and if the situation happened it would cause an uproar of rage everywhere and they would be saying it was a wrong decision I promise you that😂
@@ajrochester9364 We got some revenge at least..
Not Murphys biggest fan but I really feel his frustration when he gets interuppted 5 seconds into his point multiple times!
i've grown to like him more on this. I used to think he was insufferable when he was tethered to the BBC but I think it's pretty clear that he has to temper his views when he's on the BBC whereas this is a medium where he can air his views more openly
@@Matthew-bu7fg I agree. And this show makes me like the presenter even less 🤣
White keeps doing it to win arguments.
"So What", " Diddums" such a childish response. Shows Murphy ignorance really.
Liverpool fan. Was NOT an offside. Linesman WOULD NOT have called it. The fact is, Leicester were a few minutes were winning their first ever FA Cup. In certain big games VAR imo is being used to manipulate the results of games. Similar to NFL.
He was offside though.....
@@benllewellyn1887 in the image they used to measure, the ball was already off of Silva’s foot. In those microseconds, Chilwell could have advanced a couple cm.
So we need to put a microscope on the ball and foot before we go and start drawing lines on defenders and attackers
Murphy is bang on!!
no he's not-there is no right or wrong in this argument
VAR hasn't done anything to stop simulation and conning the ref. You can still punish diving and simulation after the game but VAR is killing the magic of the game.
I can live with a tight offside going against me but I can't live with this flat game where players and fans can't celebrate, the mood is more relief that it's not ruled out rather than elation that your team has scored
Because VAR can't examine yellow card incidents and simulation is a yellow card incident.
Watch the reaction to that Chelsea goal and come back and tell me "players and fans can't celebrate". They all went nuts....
Jim White is having a permanent dementia moment with Jordan. Screw eliminating mistakes if the answer is VAR
Var pays his wages
You can tell Danny Murphy is the real football fan here
dont you just HATE it when a sentence doesn't finish the way you think it testicles?
The plural of ‘testicle’ is ‘testes’
@@tomralph8540 The plural of testis is testes. The plural of testicle is testicles.
Jim White brings nothing to the table besides senseationilsing nonsense
The thing is chillwells arm is useless as it would be handball if was his foot that can be used
Offside with VAR is almost impossible for a human being in game time to stay level. You can only be onside if you give the defender about 5 yards. And how many dodgy penalties are given from VAR this year
@Jim Silverbridge Then when do we say he's on or off? At what point do you say that's too far offside to let it go? Haven't though about that have you....?
@Jim Silverbridge hilarious, you aren't even making a point...
@Jim Silverbridge That's not a point, it's an ignorant statement with no merit, purpose or intellect. "If we have blind assistant referees, nobody is offside. " - wow, great solution. It solves non of the arguments that VAR is bad, it addresses nothing. Congratulations.
@Jim Silverbridge A Statement is a point? haha. You haven't a clue... I'm embarrassed you're an Arsenal fan too.
Var here just have to put up with it!
Jim White really isn’t that bright is he?
Danny Murphy is spot on. VAR has sucked the joy out of football.
Jim and Simon are clearly not real football fans
I'm with Danny. No longer celebrating when my team scores
With Danny Murphy on this.
Unpopular opinion : we should only consider shoulders or head as part of the offside call only if a player scores with his shoulder or with his head.
My problem with VAR for offside is 1. The camera isn't high enough resolution to confidently decide these precision calls. The picture becomes blurry when they zoom in. 2. The camera isn't perpendicular to the pitch it's often at a 45 degree angle. 3. Because of point 2 the lines they draw across the pitch could be out by a degree or two meaning you can't be confident in the call
Overall the whole thing is ridiculous we can't be confident that the decisions are correct because the set up isn't precise enough. we're better off with the linesman's decision.
Well put. With the offside calls, they've failed to understand that it is an engineering problem just as it was for goal line technology. With fouls, you probably could use the camera angles as they are and make the subjective desicion. An offside call should be objective and the proper technology put in place to give an accurate image for a correct determination. Maybe something close to the photo finish technology used in athletics?
It also has a limited frame rate so when they're trying to determine when a pass is played its always what should be a couple frames later than it should be. So all these mm decisions are actually onside but because the camera they use is only 24 frames per second.
@@russellward4624 good shout forgot about the FPS. That's vital as well
vernon is right i remember when offside came about and im sure if there was any doubt then the advantage was with the attacking team?
As a Chelsea fan I didn’t bother celebrating when the goal went in as I knew var would rule it out I should of been jumping up and down but I wasn’t cause of var
Non of the Chelsea fans should have been celebrating to begin with, he was offside....
@@SueMyChin Not celebrate a goal in a cup final .. thats embarrassingly cringe
@@SueMyChin tielemans goal should've been ruled out for a handball though...
Just another VAR decision that's gone against Chelsea this year (the handball not the offside)
@@jdodger1091 nah, wasn't a handball for me mate...
I think VAR should stay, but the margin for error with offsides needs to be bigger. Offsides need to be obvious because we can't tell the exact frame where the ball left the passer's foot in the super close offside decisions. If it's not obvious, then give the benefit to the attacker. Football wasn't meant to be scientifc.
Couldn't agree more with Danny Murphy!
Thank you Danny Murphy , VAR ruins football , fans can’t celebrate goals , is the next step to make a technology which stops players from making mistakes
Watch the reaction to that Chelsea goal and come back and tell me "fans can’t celebrate goals". They all went nuts and so did the players....
Do it like tennis give the managers one challenge each!! Once it's used that's it and var only gets used twice in one match
@Jim Silverbridge I agree mate
football is sterile now plastic seats ,var,etc etc wouldnt go if i was paid too. oh for the 70s and 80s again proper crowds and atmosphere glad i was alive back then great memories
When the stadiums are full a VAR decision as ludicrously marginal as that is going to cause a riot especially to decide a cup final or a Derby match.
Nah.
Var has made me not care about footy no more
There’s nothing wrong with VAR, the problem is how it’s implemented, with the technology we have these days decisions should be made instantly, there should not be any delays after every single goal and rules like offside need to be changed so that everyone understands it and we’re no longer seeing goals disallowed because someone is a millimetre ahead of their opponent
Fair play Danny Murphy 👏👏👏
My issue isn't with VAR itself but the ridiculous offside rule being used - Offside was designed to stop goal hanging, not rule out a goal because a level striker's knob was 0.1mm offside. I think this could be resolved by amending the rule to being level within a margin of error and using thicker lines in VAR to accommodate for that. Benefit to the attacker but still a fixed rule which is the same for everyone
@Jim Silverbridge I agree but I feel they won't drop the lines since it adds some consistency if we have an agreed margin. But I think at least if they make the lines the thickness of a player it'll mean you'd only be off if the lines don't touch which likely means you're probably clearly ahead of the last man anyway.
Basically the same as just checking if they're level but with an agreed margin so no one can complain
VAR isn't the problem it has been poorly used and refs still make bad decisions with it. The rules need to be looked at with VAR in mind and changed to use it. Whilst a set frame work for decisions so that it is consistent. Plus the images should always been shown when it is being used on the TV and in the stadium so everyone knows what is happening
Solid points
That a common sense approach to the issue.
If they are going to go by mm they need to get the right frame to stop it from what I saw of it the frame they used the ball was already in the air which means they should of used the frame before so would of been inside
There should be a change in the off side rule
The delay is a massive problem for football, we cant celebrate goals anymore which was the greatest part of football
We all wanted Leicester to win but that still shot was an error the ball had already left Thiago foot he was onside
What about all the images of the frame before and him still being offside?
@@georgeattfield9824 I recorded the game and pause it when Thiago Silva made contact with the ball and he was onside. I’m wanted a Leicester win but Var got that wrong that’s all
I have to admit that when Tielemans scored I didn't celebrate, I just assumed it would be ruled out by var. It's one of the biggest moments I've watched as a Leicester fan and I just sat there in front of the tv as if nothing happened. It's completely changed the way I react to our goals. I went mental when var ruled out Chelsea's goal though 😂
why would tielemans' goal have been ruled out?
When do they mass debate?
Rumbled the hair and humbled the hounds 🤣 wish I had the bandwidth to remember these phrases
@Brandon Harker elementary stuff
What I don’t understand is why they draw the lines for the offside but don’t zoom in on the exact millisecond the ball leaves the passers boot. As kids we are taught to stay in line with the last man, that can no longer apply and it’s ruining football more than anything, because you can no longer celebrate without waiting for VAR’s response
The offsides rule is bobbins. Should be daylight like it used to be (but they’d find a way to bugger that up too)
I hate those lines and measurements, they are just ridiculous. I think the offside rule should be reviewed to state that an offside can only occur when a persons whole body is ahead of the last defender. That will put an end to all these lines crap.
I approve of VAR for offsides. I disapprove of VAR for fouls. When players collide in slow motion it always seems worst than it was which then escalates the situation.
Why can’t the rule for offside be if you can’t see its offside from the naked eye when there’s a look back at it(you get 10 seconds to find it) then you go with the decision made on pitch by the referee?
VAR has been forced on the game by Sky and BT and other pay per view company's, VAR creates debate and discussion, therefore filling hours and hours of tv schedules, next thing will be, VAR stoppages and delays will be filled with tv adverts.
I don't watch football anymore since the introduction of VAR. Ctid
Wont be missed
@@SueMyChin nutsyourchin.
Danny Murphy is one of the few pundits that speaks sense, a rule to prevent goal hangers and now if your shirts blowing in the wind your offside 🤦🏻♂️
I absolutely detest VAR - it’s created a whole set of new issues and it still get things wrong.
VAR isn’t the problem, the offside rule is! The rule needs to be re-written to say that if the part of the player who is offside can’t give a significant advantage then it’s not offside. Chilwell at the weekend did not get an advantage because his shoulder was offside!
I wonder if Jim White has ever kicked a football in anger. Doubt it. Celebrating a goal is fundamental to the enjoyment of football. Danny is 100% right. VAR is killing that.
VAR got the offside right but it got the handball for the Leicesters goal wrong 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jim white argues for the sake of it
Var should be there but with some minor rectification like offside by hair,finger shirt etc review of yellowcard free kick etc
@@vicvinegar4540partially to do with var adjustung monitor drwawing the line at a right frame and right angle
people forget that before VAR we were all moaning about so many bad decisions on offside by linesman ....what the rules should be is offside should be on a players foot not any other part of the body
Get rid of VAR it’s ruining the game
I throw this out. Where is the technology to calculate when the ball leaves foot of the passer? The ball us a blur. Why is offside not the Torso? An elbow? Players can't calculate this.
What a load of rubbish, VAR is killing the game. Regardless of “current incarnations” there will still be human error, I would rather have human error from refs on the field than some guy sat 200 miles away taking 4 minutes to still get it wrong.
Why can't they just get rid of the lines for offside, give the VAR official 10 seconds to look at the player and make a call. Var should only be there to get rid of the glaring mistakes, not to find out some guys big toe was 3 mm past the defenders sleeve
The problem isn't VAR, the problem is the refs. Even with technology they still make blatant mistakes. We gave them a Ferrari and found out they can't drive.
No the problem is the offside rule (and the application of it, and with the linesman’s use of the flag). But mostly with the rule
Spot on.
@@rusteetrombone4830 exactly the rules are so stupid. What difference does a millimetre of a shoulder make for the attacker having an advantage. Makes no sense
@@rusteetrombone4830 That's down to the refs. Nothing to do with the technology.
@@tharcisse7103 no it’s down to the PGMOL (and FIFA). The officials don’t know which end is up anymore. They do make mistakes of course - sometimes horrific ones. The offside rule in particular has morphed from the sublime to the ridiculous.
Never understand the demand for no mistakes. We are human, controversy creates as many talking points and excitement as a good game. A bad decision can cause a loss, so can a bad pass.
That was an offside, being consistent with whats going on all season in the league! It was an offside, because thats how VAR has been interpreting it, many many many offsides were given, and this one was consistent to those offsides. Until there is a better offside rule, its a correct decision, by inches or millimeters or whatever, consistent & right decision!
Offside should be a set standard of the hips of the player. You cannot score with Mane’s arm hair or Chilwell’s elbow. That is not the advantage the rule is supposed to eliminate.
its not VAR thats the problem, its the quality of the refs using it
Is Jim still praising VAR after Werner's first penalty incident last night? That was a clear as day penalty and VAR didn't change the decision.
The problem with VAR is it's inconsistent application rather than the actual decision.
Jim white needs to shut up and let people talk
Can't wait for the discussion when stadiums are full a goal is scored then fans and players don't celebrate. The stadiums may aswell stay empty
VAR will OCCASIONALLY correct a goal decision that otherwise would have been wrong, and that's great. But it will ALWAYS ruin every single goal scored because players and fans won't celebrate wait for the verdict. VAR has to go.
Jim white needs to get off TV and radio. It didn’t get it right! It missed the hand ball on the Tielemans goal!!!! So bias
Are we allowed to talk about the handball that led to a goal in the same match?
VAR is dreadful . Im a longlife football fanatic but i just dont enjoy it anymore with VAR. hate it
Jim is playing the heel on this show haha
I'm a west ham fan and antonio now does not celebrate a goal because he will not be sure if it's going to be given it's stopped celebrating a goal
As Murphy says "Diddums"
The flaws of VAR are based on imperfect technology, but the principle is right
People like Danny Murphy is the reason why VAR is active today because they analysis wrong decisions on a weekly basis on shows like MOTD and slag off a referee/lineman for missing it. Ridiculous
The great combo Jordan n Murphy with master of the ceremony white, right??
If diddnt have var the fa cup final could of gone into ET could of seen more goals and even a pen shootout more football more drama var denied us from this
Ive seen few saints goals disallowed by milimetres. The attackers need to be given 2 cms leeway on feet. Not upper body. Example. Speeding fine! If you do 32mph on a 30mph speed camera they dont send you a speeding ticket!
I get what Danny is saying. No we dont want massive disruptions to the game due to VAR, but then we also want to make sure the correct calls are being made. If it was 0-0, Chelsea score the goal and it's not flagged as offside, Murphy would be on MOTD saying that Leicester had been cheated, officials have got it wrong etc. The principal of VAR is what is needed, but it's execution within the game is woeful. As a rugby fan, you never hear anyone saying "we don't want to celebrate as it might be ruled out". That narrative is utter tripe. VAR needs to be tweaked, and what the referee is seeing should be shown to the fans so everyone is on the same page
I don't mind var but rules have to be changed and it should only be used if the ref isn't sure and not for every decision. Refs don't have the power in games anymore as they're scared they are wrong. Plus it's very inconsistent one game it's offside or. Handball the next game it isn't
Danny is right. VAR is not supposed to be used at all unless it is CLEAR AND OBVIOUS. It is clearly obvious that VAR is not being used in this way. But according to FIFA, it is only supposed to be used in such circumstances. It is NOT supposed to be used in milimetres.
VAR is good it’s just the rules that haven’t kept up. That happens with any technology innovation in any industry...
Well said Danny, you where a fan once you understand the game, these other two spivs don't
The worst is the delay of the lifting of the flag by the linesman (referee)on an offside,it is absolutely awful and it will get somebody seriously injured needlessly by not lifting the flag immediately…..
Jim won't go against his paymaster sky,just there voice piece
As always answer is in the middle, var should be used but drawing lines for offside and slow motion replays of hand balls elongate the process. A freeze frame without a 3D line and one real-time replay for fouls should be enough to decide what is a clear and obvious error by the on field referee.... which is what this technology was brought in for in the first place!!!
Danny Murphy "when has that happened?"
Next words spoken by anyone, also Danny Murphy "one time that happened"
Var is enemy of football , why Man U got penalty after full time whistle , doesn’t make sense
Var got it wrong for Leicester's goal it was handball in build up
You can see Murphy doing overtime...... well come on Jordan is on it
Agree with Murphy here
Fans celebrate when the ball hits the side netting, so what we may have our celebration cut short, 99% correct decisions with VAR, Murphy your completely wrong here, Money & Greed has been killing our sport not VAR!
Should only be used for clear and obvious
There’s 0 wrong with the technology. The rules and framework in applying it have been anti football.
Well said Danny Murphy
loved the passion in dannys voice
I am not sure if Jim is a tool or a wind up merchant. Very much in the Adrian Durham mold ?