From what I've seen in them, there actually is no rng. The same move will crit or not and land debuff or not depending on whether you've done the right moves. I've done testing on several of the stages and if you do certain move orders you will always fail to crit on certain enemies in certain scenarios, etc
It's entirely determined by whether or not you've made the right moves. Use the wrong skill on the wrong unit at the wrong time and you won't crit or apply debuffs
realizing this on releaseday, I also commented this already to bagel on the video from this day, but realising this,was helping to solve this Puzzlebattles on release day (allthough I tried some of the battles 5 to 6 times )
My Mock Battle 12 goes wrong when it's for Xiong Fei to attack Halphas with the S3 Kahn goes first and then if I reverse the order for Kahn to kill Neal, Halphas can become invincible. Because it wasn't Nisha's turn to use S3 and so turn 22 is when Nisha's turn comes.
This keeps happening to me as well, i realized that in the video that bagel lands the slow on neal and I dont everytime i play through it. Maybe its a bug because i play it by the book everytime and it just doesnt work
Well it's kinda both sometimes lushen or other mons will use third skill when 1 monster left with 1 hp on a wave and others it's they have third skill but use there first instead so it can go either way
Battle 12 seems to have changed somehow. Dunno if it's possible anymore. It's very similar up until turn 8 where the slow fails to land on all enemies.
To me this content is super annoying since it doesn't give a clear picture how the units work at all since the RNG is basically removed and using the "wrong" skill can cause it to fail even if it would normally be optimal.
I finished the whole Mode on release day, so yeah , when you find out,that RNG is not there in this mode, and everything goes all the same in everytime you try that, you will make it prettyy fast through it. It took me sometimes 5 to 6 tries, because the longer ones are harder to keep track on.
I think it is poorly designed, for example in some scenarios you need to make a bad move in order for the next skill to not be resisted, my mental couldnt bear that anymore after stage 6 or something
Attempted doing these training stages today, some of the attack orders used to clear waves arent working anymore. Is there a up to date version on beating these stages? Stage 12 is rough
There is either rng or things have changed since this video. Have had to look up separate guides for some of these. Example: Mock Battle 11 by turn 11 Velajuel should be dead, have tried multiple times and he is not dead. Causing 1 extra turn every time and messes up the rest of the order for the video
The Neal light lich fight doesn't work, been trying for over 2hrs with these exact attacks and Neal never gets the speed debuff and always gets a purify off and I when turn 23
I literally can’t do magic power withdrawal none of the videos play out the same way mine does and even tho I’m doing exactly what’s done in the video idk what to do
Some of these floors no longer work properly the way you showed them in this video. Due to balance patch changes do you happen to know if floors like 19 have to be done differently now?
Is it worth mentioning that if they get rebalanced in a balance patch, future new players might not be able to complete these puzzles bcs these units might get nerfed ?
For the first turns if u do the way they wanted it u can't miss skills if its right also it always crits same turn same target. If u miss u do something wrong
Anyone else notice that the succubus nightmare doesn't actually give you 3 of them they give you the dark, wind and then hellea. The icon shows a fire succubus.
On battle 11 I literally never get sonnets con damage to vela thus fking up the whole thing. 50% is somehow miraculously 0% for me after 20 resets. I did however change it up a bit to win finally in 18 turns instead of 19 in the video. Please Update. half of these later stages are wrong now
I have only been able to 3 start stage 9 using the guide and even after this, after using the guide, I still have no idea what that one stage was supposed to be about...
I pretty sure the rng is always the same you can try that in the last one rica will always do her 3rd skill and she always going to give Land the same debuff no matter how much you try . But There could be rng if you do it out of order
@@arbitraryanecdotes4521 20 scrolls and 1k crystals. id clear the same 20 stages every month for that. hell id write a script to do it for me like i do toah
the way that I was doing the skogul one was that I was using Lauren to push his attack gauge back and I used tesa to put oblivion on the rest and I still completed it three stars. it was pretty weird to see this way lmao
Can anyone tell me why my elsharion isn’t procing his cont damage on Beth? Idk if it’s the reason im not able to complete it or not but I always miss the target by 1 turn, Floor 10
Mine has multiple times stolen immunity on the first turn, however I was using s3 for Elsharion. Also, Cichlid NEVER stripped anything with skill 3 until I followed instructions.
It is not a puzzle. Its trial and error. I dont blame anyone for using a guide. At first i was hyped for this content. This was how i envisioned a "skill = knowledge" based puzzle in SW. HOWEVER... It has nothing to do with knowledge. Debuffs will land or not land depending on what action you took that should NOT influence the chance of a debuff landing or not. Example: Praha/Tanya/Vigor/Chloe. First Chloe will buff her team. You decide to steal a buff from Praha with Elsharion. If you then use Cichlid's S3 on praha, you will NOT def break. But, if you dont streal a buff from Praha, Chichlid's S3 will def break. Unless its a hidden mechanic, her defbreak chances are not increased by the amount of debuffs she removes.
Are you sure RNG plays a factor in this? From me do it it seems that you always get the same RNG based on the order you do stuff. Specifically if you're doing stuff in the right order the debuff will always land or always crit when it's supposed to the same way each time. So like if you redo these and follow the guide you should land the same debuffs on the same monsters every time and crit the same monsters at the same time every time.
nope there is no rng involved in this fights. it only depends when do u use the skill. for example the stage with khali - she will not crit on a certain turn. i did every step exactly the same - she never crits that turn / in this particular turn/skill order
Well, if I'm gonna watch this I may as well do this, and if I'm gonna do this I may as well do it on all three Islands. ... why do I maintain three islands, I don't even-
you shouldve honestly used your webcam in this video because every time yu were guessing on wat attack to use i assumed it was correct for when it was wrong considering we couldn't see you were reading the sheet for which attack to use. Done this multiply times and it just kinda frustrated me.
Hay bagel good vid just want to tell you there is no RNG involved its all scripted. That is why if you hit a certain mon on a certain turn you will resist or miss crit but on next turn land everything.
I just followed seanb to beat it and I got 3 stars in all 20 stages. Its ez everythings in a specific order nothing is rng. The enemys atk pattern Is already set. Edit: btw bagel whens the cam gonna come back on? Ik you prob still have bandages but Im just curious and I hope your doing well
RNG is no factor in this battle, you will always crit in the same turn on the same enemy. You always get the same debuffs on the enem or yourself in certain turns . Just try it for yourself, when you start the battle do it 5 times the same way and you will realize,that all crits and debuffs are allways at the same time.Thats the only way to manage the challenge in a certain amount of time. The ankleshot thing for example ,you wont win if the stun wont work, but you always stun and you always freeze, you allways decrease the atb of konamiya. That makes this gamemode just a big puzzle with multile solutionorders. I repeat, every turn will have predefined buffs,debuffs,crits and so on, also the enemies will always atack the same targets in the respective turns, when you repeat the battles in the same order,you will see that.
it must be, otherwise it would not have been a building just for that but an event page or something else that will not have eaten resources each time the game loads.
its so funny to me, that all the maps i found were just obvious from the get go. bagel say's oh dang, this one so hard. then near every one i struggled with, he say's eh. this was easy you just (f(x)±g(x))′=f′(x)±g′(x) ..... kay. o.o
From what I've seen in them, there actually is no rng. The same move will crit or not and land debuff or not depending on whether you've done the right moves. I've done testing on several of the stages and if you do certain move orders you will always fail to crit on certain enemies in certain scenarios, etc
Exactly, feels like they removed rng from these mock battles. You will always sleep or stun etc.
@@Lynxwire or fail
It's entirely determined by whether or not you've made the right moves. Use the wrong skill on the wrong unit at the wrong time and you won't crit or apply debuffs
@@potxtoe like I said: etc.
realizing this on releaseday, I also commented this already to bagel on the video from this day, but realising this,was helping to solve this Puzzlebattles on release day (allthough I tried some of the battles 5 to 6 times )
Perfect video ! Gives you literally all info you need :D
me: skip skip. let's go. i need the crystals now. LOL Thanks Bagel. haha! :*
Thanks bro was waiting for you to put this out!!!!!
Bagel,i had to slow you down to .50 just to follow,thanks you and the ppl than make this for us to follow,love you man.
Damn, now this helps a lot Bagel!! Thanks a lot!
I was waiting for a video like this to do the tower. Glad I waited. 😉
thanks bagel this was very helpful
Thanks Bagel!, and confirm no RNG on this bec happened to me exactly as yours
My Mock Battle 12 goes wrong when it's for Xiong Fei to attack Halphas with the S3 Kahn goes first and then if I reverse the order for Kahn to kill Neal, Halphas can become invincible. Because it wasn't Nisha's turn to use S3 and so turn 22 is when Nisha's turn comes.
This keeps happening to me as well, i realized that in the video that bagel lands the slow on neal and I dont everytime i play through it. Maybe its a bug because i play it by the book everytime and it just doesnt work
Bagel- "anytime there's a third skill i just wanna use it" definition of the auto play AI....
Not even that's true. Look at how many times Lushen just doesn't amp the waves.
@@nexus6100 then when there's one crystal left with 10% HP lushen with 3rd skill
FALSE. If that were true, I wouldn't hate watching Zaiross try to auto Faimon Hell and spam his first skill over and over.
its the other way around, the reason we blame AI is because they don't use their skills when they have them
Well it's kinda both sometimes lushen or other mons will use third skill when 1 monster left with 1 hp on a wave and others it's they have third skill but use there first instead so it can go either way
This is what I needed. Some were easy to do others I got stuck on lol 😂
Battle 12 seems to have changed somehow. Dunno if it's possible anymore. It's very similar up until turn 8 where the slow fails to land on all enemies.
To me this content is super annoying since it doesn't give a clear picture how the units work at all since the RNG is basically removed and using the "wrong" skill can cause it to fail even if it would normally be optimal.
pretty sure level 9 doesn't work the same any more because of the elsharion buff. gonna have to figure it out on my own
I cant do it on the battle 12. On the turn 14 it should be the panda attacking, but for me it's the bird (screwing everything up).
I like how troll2us think the skills work in this game, most of the time the rng fails everything or either gets everything.
"It is so easy" ahahahah yes bagel it's not like i've been trying some for like 2 days ahah
I finished the whole Mode on release day, so yeah , when you find out,that RNG is not there in this mode, and everything goes all the same in everytime you try that, you will make it prettyy fast through it. It took me sometimes 5 to 6 tries, because the longer ones are harder to keep track on.
I think it is poorly designed, for example in some scenarios you need to make a bad move in order for the next skill to not be resisted, my mental couldnt bear that anymore after stage 6 or something
great video for new and F2P players,right on bagelbro!
Attempted doing these training stages today, some of the attack orders used to clear waves arent working anymore. Is there a up to date version on beating these stages? Stage 12 is rough
I got Abellio from one of the scrolls. Thanks man. :)
There is either rng or things have changed since this video. Have had to look up separate guides for some of these.
Example: Mock Battle 11 by turn 11 Velajuel should be dead, have tried multiple times and he is not dead. Causing 1 extra turn every time and messes up the rest of the order for the video
Poor Armada needs a hug. Aaaw!
Thank you bagel!
The Neal light lich fight doesn't work, been trying for over 2hrs with these exact attacks and Neal never gets the speed debuff and always gets a purify off and I when turn 23
ppl who disliked; shame on you, he technically beat it for you, all you gotta do is follow
I literally can’t do magic power withdrawal none of the videos play out the same way mine does and even tho I’m doing exactly what’s done in the video idk what to do
Think they changed some of the stages. I did the ariel, elsharion, priest stage and the turn orders are different
Some of these floors no longer work properly the way you showed them in this video. Due to balance patch changes do you happen to know if floors like 19 have to be done differently now?
I managed to get the 3*s for the first 4 on my own. Mostly watching this to give you the watch time as I'll be 3*ing these on my own later
Is it worth mentioning that if they get rebalanced in a balance patch, future new players might not be able to complete these puzzles bcs these units might get nerfed ?
They would probably change the puzzle then
For the first turns if u do the way they wanted it u can't miss skills if its right also it always crits same turn same target. If u miss u do something wrong
Thank you so much...Bagel!!!!!
Anyone else notice that the succubus nightmare doesn't actually give you 3 of them they give you the dark, wind and then hellea. The icon shows a fire succubus.
Think you should have linked the guide also. Just so we could go there and thank them
May The Face heals
anyone else notice Battle 11, says 3 succubus's but switches fire succubus for dark harpy?
when are you doing a guide for the new mock battle floors?
thank you for this!
There must has been an update or change. The attack order is out of line on some of them.
Block heals not working for me on stage 9 suri to tanya, works on the water mons, but thats it
On battle 11 I literally never get sonnets con damage to vela thus fking up the whole thing. 50% is somehow miraculously 0% for me after 20 resets. I did however change it up a bit to win finally in 18 turns instead of 19 in the video. Please Update. half of these later stages are wrong now
I have only been able to 3 start stage 9 using the guide and even after this, after using the guide, I still have no idea what that one stage was supposed to be about...
actually im pretty sure everything has a set response it just depends on which unit you pick on which turn but it is all set
I pretty sure the rng is always the same you can try that in the last one rica will always do her 3rd skill and she always going to give Land the same debuff no matter how much you try .
But There could be rng if you do it out of order
Thanks for this. Followed the video to get all my rewards from mock fights
Hope the mock battle can be reset every month like TOA 😅🤔😄 lols
Thats a good idea 🤔
Only if they make new ones. Otherwise there wouldn't be a ton of point. It isn't as versatile as toa from a strategy standpoint
It's in the building so i think it's permanent
@@arbitraryanecdotes4521 20 scrolls and 1k crystals. id clear the same 20 stages every month for that. hell id write a script to do it for me like i do toah
@@Andrew..J :D, for the resources, eah I wouldnt mind to repeat this.
the way that I was doing the skogul one was that I was using Lauren to push his attack gauge back and I used tesa to put oblivion on the rest and I still completed it three stars. it was pretty weird to see this way lmao
Can anyone tell me why my elsharion isn’t procing his cont damage on Beth? Idk if it’s the reason im not able to complete it or not but I always miss the target by 1 turn, Floor 10
Like you said there are many ways to do it, for example I did use Nishas third skill first turn and still got 3 stars
These are no longer accurate. Seems like Com2us changed some of the turn order and debuffs that land. Oh well...
wow nice very helpful thanks
the saint
Mine has multiple times stolen immunity on the first turn, however I was using s3 for Elsharion. Also, Cichlid NEVER stripped anything with skill 3 until I followed instructions.
bagel back at it again with changing his name and picture. i mean who is that account you're on
Idk Stage 13 is really not working, i did it 10 times the way its in the Video but the Tetra has more HP than in the Video and lifes...
i love the chika prof
Any idea if this tower reset also? Coz i mean if this shit doesnt reset its absolutely trash for putting it on the game
Just a heads up, video is outdated on certain stages. I ran them over and over with no success. Didn't happen with all the stages, just some.
It is not a puzzle. Its trial and error. I dont blame anyone for using a guide.
At first i was hyped for this content. This was how i envisioned a "skill = knowledge" based puzzle in SW. HOWEVER... It has nothing to do with knowledge. Debuffs will land or not land depending on what action you took that should NOT influence the chance of a debuff landing or not.
Example: Praha/Tanya/Vigor/Chloe.
First Chloe will buff her team. You decide to steal a buff from Praha with Elsharion. If you then use Cichlid's S3 on praha, you will NOT def break.
But, if you dont streal a buff from Praha, Chichlid's S3 will def break.
Unless its a hidden mechanic, her defbreak chances are not increased by the amount of debuffs she removes.
Even when I do exactly the same as shown, sometimes my units are getting their turn out of order, meaning I cant finish in time :
Always steals immunity, never the invincibility. That's why mine stole invincibility on the first try.
Are you sure RNG plays a factor in this? From me do it it seems that you always get the same RNG based on the order you do stuff. Specifically if you're doing stuff in the right order the debuff will always land or always crit when it's supposed to the same way each time. So like if you redo these and follow the guide you should land the same debuffs on the same monsters every time and crit the same monsters at the same time every time.
For anyone wondering why this isnt working, mostly outdated. Some monsters got buffs or debuffs u need to look for a new one
Only 1 of the fights had different buffs and procs, but the rest of them are the same.... Btw, I have 27 battles not 20, where can I find the rest?
you are the best ty !!!!!!!
Still no facecam?
How is the schnoz?
You sound just fine!
No nasal voice or something like that.
It won't always steal the immunity btw, his second skill was always taking the Invulnerability
nope there is no rng involved in this fights. it only depends when do u use the skill. for example the stage with khali - she will not crit on a certain turn. i did every step exactly the same - she never crits that turn / in this particular turn/skill order
Well, if I'm gonna watch this I may as well do this, and if I'm gonna do this I may as well do it on all three Islands.
... why do I maintain three islands, I don't even-
these things are not the same anymore, had to do #9 differently as different things keep happening in the order shown and so is #10.. for me at least.
NEW BATTELS
Why I never get defensive breaks???
you shouldve honestly used your webcam in this video because every time yu were guessing on wat attack to use i assumed it was correct for when it was wrong considering we couldn't see you were reading the sheet for which attack to use. Done this multiply times and it just kinda frustrated me.
This is Golden!
Finally whoooo
You da best
when i hit Olivia she still had the defense buff on round 18, how worried do you think i was lol
14 is different now as well as a couple others throughout
stage 11 order does not work
Hay bagel good vid just want to tell you there is no RNG involved its all scripted. That is why if you hit a certain mon on a certain turn you will resist or miss crit but on next turn land everything.
I just followed seanb to beat it and I got 3 stars in all 20 stages. Its ez everythings in a specific order nothing is rng. The enemys atk pattern Is already set.
Edit: btw bagel whens the cam gonna come back on? Ik you prob still have bandages but Im just curious and I hope your doing well
we need BagelCam
ty Bagel
very good.
RNG is no factor in this battle, you will always crit in the same turn on the same enemy. You always get the same debuffs on the enem or yourself in certain turns . Just try it for yourself, when you start the battle do it 5 times the same way and you will realize,that all crits and debuffs are allways at the same time.Thats the only way to manage the challenge in a certain amount of time. The ankleshot thing for example ,you wont win if the stun wont work, but you always stun and you always freeze, you allways decrease the atb of konamiya. That makes this gamemode just a big puzzle with multile solutionorders. I repeat, every turn will have predefined buffs,debuffs,crits and so on, also the enemies will always atack the same targets in the respective turns, when you repeat the battles in the same order,you will see that.
already 100%ed this content WHY am i watching this video
baggel
Well thank you
Sorry to say but monsters move different than this guide on floors 5 10 12 haven't gotten any further than floor 12 atm.
No RNG applies. As long as you do it the correct way, everything happens exactly the same. Even the damage is identical.
does this update every month?
it must be, otherwise it would not have been a building just for that but an event page or something else that will not have eaten resources each time the game loads.
Thanks
where the 21 22 stages
I got Zaiross from mine. (Ancient crystals)
its so funny to me, that all the maps i found were just obvious from the get go. bagel say's oh dang, this one so hard. then near every one i struggled with, he say's eh. this was easy you just (f(x)±g(x))′=f′(x)±g′(x) ..... kay. o.o
Jewbagel gonna have a new face reveal
And it’s gonna be like tetsuo or something ahha
The nose was a big part of his face, it might be a bit shocking to see the rest of his face lol
I saw Jew Bagels new nose! Doesnt look like him at all!
For battle 6 I used Nisha 3rd skill first and got all three stars
Theres actually no rng, its all scripted to do specific things on specific turns
i think there's a bit of rng
@@slimeball4l540 theres no rng at all, they made every single move do a specific thing depending on what turn ur on.
from the 20 MS I got a Teshar, lmao. Didn't have him yet either.
Gz i really want him and everyone seems to have him
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yeah cant get the slow on the light fairy