From what I've seen in them, there actually is no rng. The same move will crit or not and land debuff or not depending on whether you've done the right moves. I've done testing on several of the stages and if you do certain move orders you will always fail to crit on certain enemies in certain scenarios, etc
It's entirely determined by whether or not you've made the right moves. Use the wrong skill on the wrong unit at the wrong time and you won't crit or apply debuffs
realizing this on releaseday, I also commented this already to bagel on the video from this day, but realising this,was helping to solve this Puzzlebattles on release day (allthough I tried some of the battles 5 to 6 times )
Well it's kinda both sometimes lushen or other mons will use third skill when 1 monster left with 1 hp on a wave and others it's they have third skill but use there first instead so it can go either way
My Mock Battle 12 goes wrong when it's for Xiong Fei to attack Halphas with the S3 Kahn goes first and then if I reverse the order for Kahn to kill Neal, Halphas can become invincible. Because it wasn't Nisha's turn to use S3 and so turn 22 is when Nisha's turn comes.
This keeps happening to me as well, i realized that in the video that bagel lands the slow on neal and I dont everytime i play through it. Maybe its a bug because i play it by the book everytime and it just doesnt work
Battle 12 seems to have changed somehow. Dunno if it's possible anymore. It's very similar up until turn 8 where the slow fails to land on all enemies.
To me this content is super annoying since it doesn't give a clear picture how the units work at all since the RNG is basically removed and using the "wrong" skill can cause it to fail even if it would normally be optimal.
Attempted doing these training stages today, some of the attack orders used to clear waves arent working anymore. Is there a up to date version on beating these stages? Stage 12 is rough
Is it worth mentioning that if they get rebalanced in a balance patch, future new players might not be able to complete these puzzles bcs these units might get nerfed ?
I finished the whole Mode on release day, so yeah , when you find out,that RNG is not there in this mode, and everything goes all the same in everytime you try that, you will make it prettyy fast through it. It took me sometimes 5 to 6 tries, because the longer ones are harder to keep track on.
I think it is poorly designed, for example in some scenarios you need to make a bad move in order for the next skill to not be resisted, my mental couldnt bear that anymore after stage 6 or something
There is either rng or things have changed since this video. Have had to look up separate guides for some of these. Example: Mock Battle 11 by turn 11 Velajuel should be dead, have tried multiple times and he is not dead. Causing 1 extra turn every time and messes up the rest of the order for the video
Some of these floors no longer work properly the way you showed them in this video. Due to balance patch changes do you happen to know if floors like 19 have to be done differently now?
For the first turns if u do the way they wanted it u can't miss skills if its right also it always crits same turn same target. If u miss u do something wrong
The Neal light lich fight doesn't work, been trying for over 2hrs with these exact attacks and Neal never gets the speed debuff and always gets a purify off and I when turn 23
I literally can’t do magic power withdrawal none of the videos play out the same way mine does and even tho I’m doing exactly what’s done in the video idk what to do
I pretty sure the rng is always the same you can try that in the last one rica will always do her 3rd skill and she always going to give Land the same debuff no matter how much you try . But There could be rng if you do it out of order
Anyone else notice that the succubus nightmare doesn't actually give you 3 of them they give you the dark, wind and then hellea. The icon shows a fire succubus.
On battle 11 I literally never get sonnets con damage to vela thus fking up the whole thing. 50% is somehow miraculously 0% for me after 20 resets. I did however change it up a bit to win finally in 18 turns instead of 19 in the video. Please Update. half of these later stages are wrong now
It is not a puzzle. Its trial and error. I dont blame anyone for using a guide. At first i was hyped for this content. This was how i envisioned a "skill = knowledge" based puzzle in SW. HOWEVER... It has nothing to do with knowledge. Debuffs will land or not land depending on what action you took that should NOT influence the chance of a debuff landing or not. Example: Praha/Tanya/Vigor/Chloe. First Chloe will buff her team. You decide to steal a buff from Praha with Elsharion. If you then use Cichlid's S3 on praha, you will NOT def break. But, if you dont streal a buff from Praha, Chichlid's S3 will def break. Unless its a hidden mechanic, her defbreak chances are not increased by the amount of debuffs she removes.
@@arbitraryanecdotes4521 20 scrolls and 1k crystals. id clear the same 20 stages every month for that. hell id write a script to do it for me like i do toah
the way that I was doing the skogul one was that I was using Lauren to push his attack gauge back and I used tesa to put oblivion on the rest and I still completed it three stars. it was pretty weird to see this way lmao
I have only been able to 3 start stage 9 using the guide and even after this, after using the guide, I still have no idea what that one stage was supposed to be about...
Can anyone tell me why my elsharion isn’t procing his cont damage on Beth? Idk if it’s the reason im not able to complete it or not but I always miss the target by 1 turn, Floor 10
nope there is no rng involved in this fights. it only depends when do u use the skill. for example the stage with khali - she will not crit on a certain turn. i did every step exactly the same - she never crits that turn / in this particular turn/skill order
Well, if I'm gonna watch this I may as well do this, and if I'm gonna do this I may as well do it on all three Islands. ... why do I maintain three islands, I don't even-
Mine has multiple times stolen immunity on the first turn, however I was using s3 for Elsharion. Also, Cichlid NEVER stripped anything with skill 3 until I followed instructions.
RNG is no factor in this battle, you will always crit in the same turn on the same enemy. You always get the same debuffs on the enem or yourself in certain turns . Just try it for yourself, when you start the battle do it 5 times the same way and you will realize,that all crits and debuffs are allways at the same time.Thats the only way to manage the challenge in a certain amount of time. The ankleshot thing for example ,you wont win if the stun wont work, but you always stun and you always freeze, you allways decrease the atb of konamiya. That makes this gamemode just a big puzzle with multile solutionorders. I repeat, every turn will have predefined buffs,debuffs,crits and so on, also the enemies will always atack the same targets in the respective turns, when you repeat the battles in the same order,you will see that.
Are you sure RNG plays a factor in this? From me do it it seems that you always get the same RNG based on the order you do stuff. Specifically if you're doing stuff in the right order the debuff will always land or always crit when it's supposed to the same way each time. So like if you redo these and follow the guide you should land the same debuffs on the same monsters every time and crit the same monsters at the same time every time.
I just followed seanb to beat it and I got 3 stars in all 20 stages. Its ez everythings in a specific order nothing is rng. The enemys atk pattern Is already set. Edit: btw bagel whens the cam gonna come back on? Ik you prob still have bandages but Im just curious and I hope your doing well
you shouldve honestly used your webcam in this video because every time yu were guessing on wat attack to use i assumed it was correct for when it was wrong considering we couldn't see you were reading the sheet for which attack to use. Done this multiply times and it just kinda frustrated me.
I should've waited, instead I spent 2 hours immediately after the update to beat all of them with 3 stats Actually the most fun I had in SW in awhile, so I guess it wasn't that bad lol.
it must be, otherwise it would not have been a building just for that but an event page or something else that will not have eaten resources each time the game loads.
its so funny to me, that all the maps i found were just obvious from the get go. bagel say's oh dang, this one so hard. then near every one i struggled with, he say's eh. this was easy you just (f(x)±g(x))′=f′(x)±g′(x) ..... kay. o.o
Hay bagel good vid just want to tell you there is no RNG involved its all scripted. That is why if you hit a certain mon on a certain turn you will resist or miss crit but on next turn land everything.
From what I've seen in them, there actually is no rng. The same move will crit or not and land debuff or not depending on whether you've done the right moves. I've done testing on several of the stages and if you do certain move orders you will always fail to crit on certain enemies in certain scenarios, etc
Exactly, feels like they removed rng from these mock battles. You will always sleep or stun etc.
@@Lynxwire or fail
It's entirely determined by whether or not you've made the right moves. Use the wrong skill on the wrong unit at the wrong time and you won't crit or apply debuffs
@@potxtoe like I said: etc.
realizing this on releaseday, I also commented this already to bagel on the video from this day, but realising this,was helping to solve this Puzzlebattles on release day (allthough I tried some of the battles 5 to 6 times )
me: skip skip. let's go. i need the crystals now. LOL Thanks Bagel. haha! :*
Perfect video ! Gives you literally all info you need :D
Bagel- "anytime there's a third skill i just wanna use it" definition of the auto play AI....
Not even that's true. Look at how many times Lushen just doesn't amp the waves.
@@nexus6100 then when there's one crystal left with 10% HP lushen with 3rd skill
FALSE. If that were true, I wouldn't hate watching Zaiross try to auto Faimon Hell and spam his first skill over and over.
its the other way around, the reason we blame AI is because they don't use their skills when they have them
Well it's kinda both sometimes lushen or other mons will use third skill when 1 monster left with 1 hp on a wave and others it's they have third skill but use there first instead so it can go either way
My Mock Battle 12 goes wrong when it's for Xiong Fei to attack Halphas with the S3 Kahn goes first and then if I reverse the order for Kahn to kill Neal, Halphas can become invincible. Because it wasn't Nisha's turn to use S3 and so turn 22 is when Nisha's turn comes.
This keeps happening to me as well, i realized that in the video that bagel lands the slow on neal and I dont everytime i play through it. Maybe its a bug because i play it by the book everytime and it just doesnt work
I like how troll2us think the skills work in this game, most of the time the rng fails everything or either gets everything.
Battle 12 seems to have changed somehow. Dunno if it's possible anymore. It's very similar up until turn 8 where the slow fails to land on all enemies.
To me this content is super annoying since it doesn't give a clear picture how the units work at all since the RNG is basically removed and using the "wrong" skill can cause it to fail even if it would normally be optimal.
Bagel,i had to slow you down to .50 just to follow,thanks you and the ppl than make this for us to follow,love you man.
Thanks bro was waiting for you to put this out!!!!!
Attempted doing these training stages today, some of the attack orders used to clear waves arent working anymore. Is there a up to date version on beating these stages? Stage 12 is rough
I cant do it on the battle 12. On the turn 14 it should be the panda attacking, but for me it's the bird (screwing everything up).
Thanks Bagel!, and confirm no RNG on this bec happened to me exactly as yours
thanks bagel this was very helpful
pretty sure level 9 doesn't work the same any more because of the elsharion buff. gonna have to figure it out on my own
Damn, now this helps a lot Bagel!! Thanks a lot!
Is it worth mentioning that if they get rebalanced in a balance patch, future new players might not be able to complete these puzzles bcs these units might get nerfed ?
They would probably change the puzzle then
"It is so easy" ahahahah yes bagel it's not like i've been trying some for like 2 days ahah
I finished the whole Mode on release day, so yeah , when you find out,that RNG is not there in this mode, and everything goes all the same in everytime you try that, you will make it prettyy fast through it. It took me sometimes 5 to 6 tries, because the longer ones are harder to keep track on.
I think it is poorly designed, for example in some scenarios you need to make a bad move in order for the next skill to not be resisted, my mental couldnt bear that anymore after stage 6 or something
There is either rng or things have changed since this video. Have had to look up separate guides for some of these.
Example: Mock Battle 11 by turn 11 Velajuel should be dead, have tried multiple times and he is not dead. Causing 1 extra turn every time and messes up the rest of the order for the video
I was waiting for a video like this to do the tower. Glad I waited. 😉
Some of these floors no longer work properly the way you showed them in this video. Due to balance patch changes do you happen to know if floors like 19 have to be done differently now?
Think they changed some of the stages. I did the ariel, elsharion, priest stage and the turn orders are different
For the first turns if u do the way they wanted it u can't miss skills if its right also it always crits same turn same target. If u miss u do something wrong
when are you doing a guide for the new mock battle floors?
This is what I needed. Some were easy to do others I got stuck on lol 😂
The Neal light lich fight doesn't work, been trying for over 2hrs with these exact attacks and Neal never gets the speed debuff and always gets a purify off and I when turn 23
I literally can’t do magic power withdrawal none of the videos play out the same way mine does and even tho I’m doing exactly what’s done in the video idk what to do
great video for new and F2P players,right on bagelbro!
Poor Armada needs a hug. Aaaw!
I pretty sure the rng is always the same you can try that in the last one rica will always do her 3rd skill and she always going to give Land the same debuff no matter how much you try .
But There could be rng if you do it out of order
anyone else notice Battle 11, says 3 succubus's but switches fire succubus for dark harpy?
ppl who disliked; shame on you, he technically beat it for you, all you gotta do is follow
I got Abellio from one of the scrolls. Thanks man. :)
Anyone else notice that the succubus nightmare doesn't actually give you 3 of them they give you the dark, wind and then hellea. The icon shows a fire succubus.
There must has been an update or change. The attack order is out of line on some of them.
May The Face heals
Block heals not working for me on stage 9 suri to tanya, works on the water mons, but thats it
I managed to get the 3*s for the first 4 on my own. Mostly watching this to give you the watch time as I'll be 3*ing these on my own later
Think you should have linked the guide also. Just so we could go there and thank them
On battle 11 I literally never get sonnets con damage to vela thus fking up the whole thing. 50% is somehow miraculously 0% for me after 20 resets. I did however change it up a bit to win finally in 18 turns instead of 19 in the video. Please Update. half of these later stages are wrong now
actually im pretty sure everything has a set response it just depends on which unit you pick on which turn but it is all set
It is not a puzzle. Its trial and error. I dont blame anyone for using a guide.
At first i was hyped for this content. This was how i envisioned a "skill = knowledge" based puzzle in SW. HOWEVER... It has nothing to do with knowledge. Debuffs will land or not land depending on what action you took that should NOT influence the chance of a debuff landing or not.
Example: Praha/Tanya/Vigor/Chloe.
First Chloe will buff her team. You decide to steal a buff from Praha with Elsharion. If you then use Cichlid's S3 on praha, you will NOT def break.
But, if you dont streal a buff from Praha, Chichlid's S3 will def break.
Unless its a hidden mechanic, her defbreak chances are not increased by the amount of debuffs she removes.
These are no longer accurate. Seems like Com2us changed some of the turn order and debuffs that land. Oh well...
Hope the mock battle can be reset every month like TOA 😅🤔😄 lols
Thats a good idea 🤔
Only if they make new ones. Otherwise there wouldn't be a ton of point. It isn't as versatile as toa from a strategy standpoint
It's in the building so i think it's permanent
@@arbitraryanecdotes4521 20 scrolls and 1k crystals. id clear the same 20 stages every month for that. hell id write a script to do it for me like i do toah
@@Andrew..J :D, for the resources, eah I wouldnt mind to repeat this.
Any idea if this tower reset also? Coz i mean if this shit doesnt reset its absolutely trash for putting it on the game
the way that I was doing the skogul one was that I was using Lauren to push his attack gauge back and I used tesa to put oblivion on the rest and I still completed it three stars. it was pretty weird to see this way lmao
Idk Stage 13 is really not working, i did it 10 times the way its in the Video but the Tetra has more HP than in the Video and lifes...
Why I never get defensive breaks???
It won't always steal the immunity btw, his second skill was always taking the Invulnerability
Thank you bagel!
stage 11 order does not work
I have only been able to 3 start stage 9 using the guide and even after this, after using the guide, I still have no idea what that one stage was supposed to be about...
Can anyone tell me why my elsharion isn’t procing his cont damage on Beth? Idk if it’s the reason im not able to complete it or not but I always miss the target by 1 turn, Floor 10
Always steals immunity, never the invincibility. That's why mine stole invincibility on the first try.
nope there is no rng involved in this fights. it only depends when do u use the skill. for example the stage with khali - she will not crit on a certain turn. i did every step exactly the same - she never crits that turn / in this particular turn/skill order
Well, if I'm gonna watch this I may as well do this, and if I'm gonna do this I may as well do it on all three Islands.
... why do I maintain three islands, I don't even-
Thank you so much...Bagel!!!!!
Mine has multiple times stolen immunity on the first turn, however I was using s3 for Elsharion. Also, Cichlid NEVER stripped anything with skill 3 until I followed instructions.
wow nice very helpful thanks
RNG is no factor in this battle, you will always crit in the same turn on the same enemy. You always get the same debuffs on the enem or yourself in certain turns . Just try it for yourself, when you start the battle do it 5 times the same way and you will realize,that all crits and debuffs are allways at the same time.Thats the only way to manage the challenge in a certain amount of time. The ankleshot thing for example ,you wont win if the stun wont work, but you always stun and you always freeze, you allways decrease the atb of konamiya. That makes this gamemode just a big puzzle with multile solutionorders. I repeat, every turn will have predefined buffs,debuffs,crits and so on, also the enemies will always atack the same targets in the respective turns, when you repeat the battles in the same order,you will see that.
Thanks for this. Followed the video to get all my rewards from mock fights
bagel back at it again with changing his name and picture. i mean who is that account you're on
when i hit Olivia she still had the defense buff on round 18, how worried do you think i was lol
Only 1 of the fights had different buffs and procs, but the rest of them are the same.... Btw, I have 27 battles not 20, where can I find the rest?
these things are not the same anymore, had to do #9 differently as different things keep happening in the order shown and so is #10.. for me at least.
Are you sure RNG plays a factor in this? From me do it it seems that you always get the same RNG based on the order you do stuff. Specifically if you're doing stuff in the right order the debuff will always land or always crit when it's supposed to the same way each time. So like if you redo these and follow the guide you should land the same debuffs on the same monsters every time and crit the same monsters at the same time every time.
For anyone wondering why this isnt working, mostly outdated. Some monsters got buffs or debuffs u need to look for a new one
we need BagelCam
where the 21 22 stages
Just a heads up, video is outdated on certain stages. I ran them over and over with no success. Didn't happen with all the stages, just some.
Even when I do exactly the same as shown, sometimes my units are getting their turn out of order, meaning I cant finish in time :
Like you said there are many ways to do it, for example I did use Nishas third skill first turn and still got 3 stars
thank you for this!
I just followed seanb to beat it and I got 3 stars in all 20 stages. Its ez everythings in a specific order nothing is rng. The enemys atk pattern Is already set.
Edit: btw bagel whens the cam gonna come back on? Ik you prob still have bandages but Im just curious and I hope your doing well
14 is different now as well as a couple others throughout
Still no facecam?
How is the schnoz?
You sound just fine!
No nasal voice or something like that.
Sorry to say but monsters move different than this guide on floors 5 10 12 haven't gotten any further than floor 12 atm.
NEW BATTELS
already 100%ed this content WHY am i watching this video
baggel
you shouldve honestly used your webcam in this video because every time yu were guessing on wat attack to use i assumed it was correct for when it was wrong considering we couldn't see you were reading the sheet for which attack to use. Done this multiply times and it just kinda frustrated me.
i love the chika prof
No RNG applies. As long as you do it the correct way, everything happens exactly the same. Even the damage is identical.
the saint
I should've waited, instead I spent 2 hours immediately after the update to beat all of them with 3 stats
Actually the most fun I had in SW in awhile, so I guess it wasn't that bad lol.
22:40 1,337 damage
I got Zaiross from mine. (Ancient crystals)
does this update every month?
it must be, otherwise it would not have been a building just for that but an event page or something else that will not have eaten resources each time the game loads.
its so funny to me, that all the maps i found were just obvious from the get go. bagel say's oh dang, this one so hard. then near every one i struggled with, he say's eh. this was easy you just (f(x)±g(x))′=f′(x)±g′(x) ..... kay. o.o
If you need a laugh, watch this at 50% playback speed.
yeah cant get the slow on the light fairy
Hay bagel good vid just want to tell you there is no RNG involved its all scripted. That is why if you hit a certain mon on a certain turn you will resist or miss crit but on next turn land everything.
I thought there are 60*
For battle 6 I used Nisha 3rd skill first and got all three stars
He got chica as pfp... poggers
I got a fire Slayer from one of my mysticals
This is Golden!
oh my the text for facecam changed... great excitement
Well thank you
you are the best ty !!!!!!!
I pulled a wind demon from the new battle traning
from the 20 MS I got a Teshar, lmao. Didn't have him yet either.
Gz i really want him and everyone seems to have him