D2 Steel Super Vid Quad Test!
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Are you watching Kershaw & CRKT
Drop the 8cr13mov , PLEASE.
We need to give Ontario a Big Fat Kiss for opening the flood gates on using D2 in budget folders .... Thank You , Ontario Knife Company.
Brian F Kershaw just released new versions of the cryo and natrix in d2
There's nothing wrong with 8cr13MoV - it depends what you're using your knife for and how often. It's a cheap and cheerful steel that's easy to sharpen/strop. What's not to like at such a low price?
@@sputumtube -- Your right there's nothing wrong with 8cr ,as long as it's the right price , but when Kershaw , CRKT, and Spyderco are charging over $40 for it. , then theirs a problem and I'll take the D2 .
@@brianf9619 Absolutely Brian, I reckon the same goes for AUS8 as well. A few years ago there were a great many knives with AUS8 which we all bought and used (I still use my AUS8 CS Lawman and K-Bar Dozier) until better steels became cheaper and more readily available. The advanced steels are all well and good if you're content to pay two or three times the price of budget steels, but more often than not they're more brittle, easier to break/chip and infinately more difficult to sharpen in the field. I have a few knives with better steels (ZDP189, CTS XHP, Cruwear, V-Toku2 etc) but I don't use them any more than my cheaper knives with 8cr13MoV or AUS8.... 'Horses for courses' you might say..Lol..;)
I agree
Absolutely incredible results,I love my R2d2 even more after watching this.
If someone would have suggested not that long ago that I'd be watching an Aussie on TH-cam cutting yards of rope until he was soaked in sweat, while I air-guitar to the background music, AND enjoyed the total fuck out of it, I would have told them to get bent. Yet...here I am loving these videos for reasons I cannot fully explain.
Big props for the abuse you suffer for us steel nerds, dude. Based on your numerous videos I know exactly what I need, for what job, and when to use it. Personally, I am a big fan of D2; I have numerous knives with that steel and they have always been a workhorse with no issues.
One thing I find odd is people say it is easy to rust, and I will take their word on that, but I live literally 100 feet from the ocean and not one of those blades have a speck of rust. I have never 'oiled' a blade in my life, but I always wipe them off when done, so maybe that is it? I dunno.
i honestly havent had much trouble with D2 rust either! Sounds like another adventure in the ... KNIFE LAB!
*wii sports music*
I think that people tend to exaggerate the effects of rust on steels with higher carbon content. If you're not leaving it soaked in salt water you generally don't have to worry about rust
I’ve stated my love of this steel!!
I’m a KM from beach, A2 rusts, M4 patinas and D2 stays pretty (with little or no oil).
I live a “stone’s throw” away from the ocean too. Even my 1095 ESEE’s don’t rust.
I have you all beat, I live in a pineapple under the sea, and never had a D2 knife rust on me👍!
~FlipFlat square pants🍍✌~
Just for info - the venev diamonds I used were only to 2000grit. But I stropped lightly to a lower grit than Pete.
When even factory is 120+ cuts the steel is gloriously good.
I've had knives from both Travis and Nathan sharpened! Both are top quality. Trav is a freak to be able to do it freehand. The utmost respect! Thanks for the video Pete!
That intro is art
It's not art. It's art itself!
Your high speed rope cutting montages always make me want to take a dump for some reason.
Rope, aka CABLE.
haha! I'm sure half the viewers are watching mid dump at least 50% of the time. It's therapeutic *)
I just looked up your original 20dps worksharp result. Fark 120 cuts. Damn we all smashed that. Awesome.
NJMS EDC oh yeah, proper sharpening kills it
Well done Nathan! May I ask how long it took you to get that edge on there?
@@knifesupport9607 about 15min. The venevs are quite fast.
Yes well done.
With all those calluses I would be extra careful when sharpening your pencil tonight....might lose some critical real estate😎 Thanks for your efforts, that shit ain't easy.
Thanks for doing these tests Pete. Definitely useful info
Manic smile, bedhead, PSA style turnaround with arms folded AND the wink and the gun...this is cinematic perfection!
Thanks for the test Pete .
Thank you for your service. Enjoyed the tunes. You're one dedicated/ curious dude. Just got a D2 bladed knife so am curious too. Will be sharpening it soon ( freehand ) so will see what I can do.
Best opening ever! Now you just started a battle of the sharpeners. Great video as always.
Thank you mate for doing all these. Travis does amazing freehand work, Dude has serious skillz. It's really stellar performance from a "budget" knife. Nothing wrong with D2, that's excellent performance stretched out of it.
his felt the most ‘sticky sharp’ but i think sometimes the board claims those reallt fine apexes. I would wonder how it would go if i repeated it several times
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Great examples, thank you. I have often wondered as a freehander as well, what the comparisons would be. I believe the art and learning the art is so much more important than the mechanical. I do have the razorsharpe system when I need a blistering blade done in 3 minutes or less, but whole heatedly love the freehand style. The Japanese water stones are another area you can spend a lifetime collecting and they are just as much fun as collecting the knives we use them on. Thanks for all you do.
Pretty cool how your humor and style make a sharpening video actually watchable. Seriously, thank you for bringing a little science to all of us.
Thank you to the RAT 2D2 for making my work life simpler. I use mine every day to cut, drip irrigation lines, cordage, copper wire insulation, hard plastic, branches. Stays crazy sharp for a month! I hand sharpen it on small DMT plates to a ragged edge at 20 degrees per side.
I have heard that D2 gets sharper on the DMT than on the Ken Onion because of large carbides in the edge being cut or dislodged respectively. I haven’t done the science though...
Thanks for this informative, fun video.
Maybe give 15 degrees a go, some testing found D2 did best at 15 degrees per side. Most other steels peaked at 12-13 dps for maximum edge retention, though.
Dude that intro absolutely rocks bro!!!! Love it!!!
Thanks Pete for all you do. We luv it. Harry
Hello from California!! Thanks for the many comparisons of performance!!
Just a observation but it would seem that it might help with the stamina if you were to move your seat higher in relation to the table. Personal preference though.
Well done on the testing, gives a somewhat balanced point to judge from as a novice.
Is very interesting to seeing how are the results of different methods of sharpening. Nice video ;D. greetings from Mexico
I have been wondering about the grind shape of the edge bevel, and which was sharper vs more durable: v-grind, convex, freehand, and hollow ground. It would be interesting to see how the Tormek edge would compare.
R2D2 > C3PO
Thx! This was exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you for the blisters!
Awesome test. Thanks so much
Great info bud. Love your channel!👍👍
Best intro haha. Thank you for unique content
been waiting for one like this since the a-z vid. thanks! would be rad if you tried some other makers' D2 as well. curious if steel will's D2 matches up with what you're getting from ontario. i feel like you only tested their m390, and its from a different factory. their cutjack in D2 is a similar price to the rat 2. Big Brown Bear was saying on the DBK podcast that people who like D2 tend to prefer a toothy edge so it would be neat to see some more testing regarding that as well.
thanks again for all your hard work, and really, do us all a favor and take precautions to avoid injury. we need more testing, not an injured pete. who will carry the bro-science torch if you fall apart?
Hey Cedric, I like your videos. It's hard to do scientific knife steel tests because of all the variables, but I appreciate that you're trying to move in that direction. Some things I'd like to see more of are comparing different knives of the same steel to see how blade size and edge geometry factors in; comparing the same knife in different steels (just get a bunch of spyderco mules or continue with shannon steel labs) to isolate the steel performance (then you can fine tune with polish/sharpening/running at different angles); and comparing the same or similar knives in the same steel with different heat treats (shannon steel labs, again, or just finding similar knives of the same steel from different suppliers). You could also do wear tests on the steel without edge testing, i.e. get bars of heat treated steel and drill into them or pass them on a belt sander or disc grinder with the same pressure and see how long it takes to work through it (or how much they eat through the bit/disc). You could also test plastic deformation with bending or blunt pressure, etc. (might be interesting to research industry standard tests).
I have a Kershaw cryo with d2 the edge retention seems way better then I expected.
Could the differances be down to the variation in the hardness of the steel cause there are slight variations
What a great vid! Thank you!
Thanks for putting in all that work for us man! Now we don't have to.
Ganzo have good D2 , my FH922 last forever with 20 degrees per side sharpening . Just doing some honing with ceramic every few weeks
it warms my heart to see foot boy living and thriving in this world. after The War, it's a necessary reminder that everyone deserves a second chance. Godspeed, foot boy.
I just want a Ontario Old Hickory butcher knife in D2! Wouldn't that be awesome!
My grandpa has an Ontario old hickory knife! No idea what steel it is, but it's the only one he freaked out about being in the sink.
Great test Pete. Love me some D2 and the Rat.
I totally think the EDCI in the hair makes you more attractive. 😁
Have ya looked into Diamond Blade's D2 knives yet Pete? Very interesting tech there, I kick myself for not jumping on one a while back for half the price. Would've love to send it, I'll keep looking though. I've handled Knives of Alaska's and Benchmade's D2 and seemed they to stand out from other D2 knives I've had. Good vid to show the diff in sharpening skills & ways and how it impacts use.
Great vid bro!)
Nathan’s edge = about 50% more than yours? Amazing. I think that kind of variation, admittedly w/o scientific method, is very very interesting. To me, it throws into question ALL the “how many cuts” tests out there as being AT LEAST as much about edge characteristics as about steel characteristics. It also makes me think that the good ol’ factory edge can usually be improved upon by about 50% with a really well applied treatment. Your testing also kind of underscored my belief that a good convexed edge is more about field durability and further about ease of field resharpening that about being wicked scary. Lastly...I have both the R2 D2 CF and it’s big bro. There’s no better “value knife” out there IMHO. Well...maybe the Kershaw Link in M390...but that’s a whole new story. Good job here BTW. Many thanks.
Heat treat of D2 is the most important issue as with any steel really. A 30 minute to 45 minute thousand degree temper gives me RC60-61 with very good toughness and no cryo.
Good to know thank you
What is a good manual sharpener that can be easily obtained that gets good results with practice?
I’m always running from d2. Have no blade in that steel. At least now I’m more open to try one out.
What size rope do you use 3/8 or 1/2
Nice ! but we need a test with the Tormek now !
D2 is great steel!
I’m a steel snob but I don’t flinch if a knife is D2, I buy it!!
Not all D2 is the same. There is the CPM version, and China version. But it's the heat treat that will make D2 to be on par with 3V. There was a costume maker with who does his own HT. His D2 out cut Peter's heat treated 3V.
Gadget yoyo I’m only talking German D2, which is used by a custom knife maker Autine. He makes Leuku knives in D2 that after his heat treat (62hrc)is like a 3V. I know this as I own one and got him to make me a custom Bushcraft knife In D2.
Awesome heat treatment, awesome knives. Made in Latvia. Loved by anyone who owns one. I also have a few Italian made D2 knives, Bohler make a great D2.
Chinese d2 wasn’t what I was talking about.
@@scottb.0185 Wow!
What's the song in the cutting montage?
Just curious...does the cutting edge get warm /hot,, from the sequential cutting during the twisted sisal test?
not particularly, i know sometimes after batonning its pretty damn warm though!
Great information, shows how a steels perfomance can vary greatly depending on the users edge finish. Thanks for all the information you get out there.
The direction of grind marks makes a BIG difference in the sharpness durability, inparticular for the courser edges, no one seems to know or talk about it!
What kind of rope do you use?
Question: Do you make this music you use? It always seems to be different and I'm sure the vault with free use music isn't very big. Anyway, sweet vid!
its mostly videogame music which they dont copyright, because of the lets play communities being so good for gaming. Except Nintendo, they claimc but just get the ad revenue which I dont mnd if the track improves the vid.
Do the copyright deadlock when you want to use Nintendo music.
Throw in a little bit of another tune or jingle you know will get hit by its owner and they both claim it. Revenue can't go to 2 people, so they fight over it. Deadlock.. lol!ftw!
Thanks for the video, the only thing I would of changed is to test the sharpness of the knifes before you cut the rope but great video overall
Yeah, but in his last Q & A, he said that he wasn't going to incorporate BESS testing because his tests have never been meant as a definitive guide to edge retention. It's just his method. It's consistent in terms of the edges makes and the media he cuts. Pete also encourages peeps to check out other edge testing channels that use BESS testers (like NJMS EDC) amongst other methods. In a follow-up though, it might be cool to send the knives to NJMS first so he could test them, then send them to Pete for the cut tests.
Yeah its a rabbit hole which Pete is happy to let other testers go down... like NJMS EDC for example who is the Nathan Stuart who's TSprof got the winning edge on here!
You don't need a new sharpener. You need hand moisturizer. And gloves.
It puts the lotion on its skin...
Haha those new intros are absolutely ingenious! Great video Pete!
Is that an IWC Aquatimer on your wrist? It's my ♡ watch.
Maybe mirror polish also means less friction as the steel would be smoother which equals better edge retention? It sounds correct in theory.🤔
I'm still only 4 minutes in (and read most of the comments before I watched) and I am thinking, "way to look after that shoulder and arm dude". Hehe. Fuggit, I'm gonna send you my Kanetsune Damascus steel Asobi (it roughly translates to play or game) so you can work that shoulder some more...or not. Actually, I'll send it down so you can check it out. You don't need to do a test or even a review. I just think you'll like it based on your liking of your handmade Khukri.
Excellent stuff, Pete. I’m so wanting to get a TSProf!
"Pinned by Cedric and Ada", LOL. Awesome bit of nerdiness as usual. Keep em coming!
Great comparison. Have to admit I'm surprised by the results. This moves D2 to the middle of the pack and it looks like a bargain with the right edge. Of course with a better edge everything likely moves up.
I'd guess the differences have more to do with skill and stones than with the sharpener. Most jig sharpeners are about the same - not sure how they would account for the difference. I could be wrong.
Quite interesting.
Bugger. I was at work. Been looking forward to seeing what you do with these four.
Isn't 15 degrees per side a bit extreme? I mean the KME doesn't go lower then 17 degrees per side without turning the guide upside down.
we truly are a bunch of mad lads
The problem is it's pretty impractical, in almost all usage the edge ends up folding before it wears down when it's so thin... Either way it makes for interesting content
@@antimatter4733 I run most my knives at 15dps. Other than this knife I don't own a D2 user though.
@@EDGEoftheOUTBACK I do as well, and it's completely impractical 😂
@@antimatter4733 I wouldn't say completely impractacle... for light EDC tasks whick this blade size is obviously aimed at, I think its fine...
I can't place the music. I think I've heard it before. It's driving me insane (although it's not a very long drive in my case). Help me Pete!
Its the Grand Cross theme from Final Fantasy IX played by the Black Mages. Last boss in FFIX
wish you had a manly peak in d2,i really think it woul win mine is a beast
Ahhh, D2... My favorite non-powdered steel. I had just finished sharpening my Rat 1 (in D2,) then I hopped onto You Tube to see you'd just uploaded this video. It's kinda creepy how often shit like that happens to me. 0_o
Thanks, I love D2 but would like to see more blade coatings on it , My Steel Will Intrigue has a rust spot but I work outside a lot and it may be from a rainy day. I now store all 4 of my D2's with a light coat of oil.
I miss "the knife laaaaaaaabbbb!! Dadadadadadaaadaaaaaa...."
Is that Ryobi I see back there!? Get that 8CR13MOV tool brand away from me! Hilti or nothing! :P
Also, what do you do with all the rope scrap?
They always say... gotta suffer for your art... well done as always, Pete!
Brillinat vid Pete! Thanks again for doing this, such a cool lil experiment! Very cool to see how the different systems went... The Ken Onion grinder attachement is certainly nothing to be scoffed at... the edge I put on that took 20min tops! Hats off to Nathan Stuart for blowing us out of the water with the TSProf... I wonder how much time he spent on that bad boy?
D2 vs Sk5 ??
Awesome test as always. It is hard to watch you suffer like that in the last knives 😅
I would love to see Ganzo's new "d2" steel against some d2 of a trusty brand :)
I like your shop, friend. Needs the obligatory Farah Faucet swimsuit poster up in the background though.
~ (Oh, she was a pretty gal made famous in the 1970's, broke many a young lad's heart).
In my opinion D2 is still a solid steel it rusts a little bit but it holds an edge just fine. The average guy who carries a knife never lets it get dull before he resharpens anyway. Seems like most EDC guys don't really need a sharp knife they just want one as a accessory.
Wave racer!
Love the Intro!😝
Tendonitis!..........Get some!
Thanks for the comparison mate! :)
All I can say is: I’m taking a bow! Much respect man! 🎩👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Actually I can say more. Like: “The fuck man! Your shit is bogus! Ain’t science!” But I’m not that much of an idiot. 💩🤮🤐
Your work is good! Keep it up! 👍🏻👍🏻👊🏻👏🏻👏🏻
35.3% Is the percentage increase between the bottom result and the top result... I think lol
How about Buck 112/110 in D2???
I wonder how varied the results would differ on most knives with this similar test. I'm really surprised by the range of difference. Heat treat could be a factor too but would be very difficult to tell.
I was surprised to see that the lesser polished edge of yours Pete was the least performer I would have thought with the bigger carbide structure in standard D2 it would have stayed aggressively cutting longer. But clearly once again you've showed that more acute angles and higher polish makes all the difference really no matter what the steel.
Your edge didn't last as long because it was not as polished as the rest but I applaud you for adding a more coarse edge to the test because now we know d2 likes a good polish. I love your videos because your tests are how I used to test my own knives. When you get a different knife you test it the way we want to see it tested. Keep that up and we will keep watching. In my humble experience edge angle is king thinner edges are always better the higher initial sharpness allowes them to cut longer. If you go too thin and the edge fails that's ok microbevels are easy and quick to apply. Thin edges are always better assuming you use a knife as it was designed and not as a gasket scraper or pry bar. Keep up the awesomeness I will happily keep watching.
I used to test mine on Biltong. True story.
It's interesting but the Venev diamond is only 2000 grit I used. But I lightly stropped to a lower micron that the KME kit.
Rat D2 steel 15 dps free hand convex 280 cuts Vs Bark river cpm 3v convex 198 cuts. Tools steel vs powder tools steel.
Wow goes to show it’s not the steel it’s the edge
Rat 2 D2 where are you!
TOOL steel hehe
Notification squad missed this one for some reason
220 as the base 9% ))220vs 240)) 27% ((220 vs 280)) 54% ((220 vs 340))
I want Gerbers quadrant style with d2
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Invest in some kangaroo skin gloves.
6:30 I thought, "gloves might have been an idea", then at 6:32 ...
Lmfao the intro
I cant sharpen D2 past aggressive butterknife sharpness
1. Practice.
2. Pay somebody to sharpen it for you. Long term #1 is the better option. :)
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congratulations for the videos and the tests. Do you think this type of localized friction quenching is really superior? Have you done any tests to verify? I find it interesting in terms of flexibility, but I don't know if in terms of strength and durability, sharpening and durability can be better. there they say it's more in my logical reasoning it can't be unless the friction somehow improves the forge to become more comprehensive. thank you for your work in unraveling the secrets of steels and the companies that treat and sharpen them. it cost . I'm Brazilian and I translated everything on Google translator. I do not understand English .