What to Practice Ep 7: Groove Independence (Danny Carey - Eulogy)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- For episode 7 of WTP we work on some groove independence. After finding out about this 3/4 Polyrhythmic groove from the Modern Drummer Podcast, I decided to give it a go. As well as try 5's and 7's over it... FUN STUFF! Enjoy!
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With so many guys on YT playing drums, 'I've never seen a Bloke happy to show his mistakes....Thank you. BTW I got a lot out of your Groove Pyramid!!!!!
Oh yeah let’s just take a Danny Carey beat, and then make it even harder!! Fricken sick.
Love the vulnerability and learning on camera. Props!
I'm working on this at the moment, along with the vocal line. Today was the day I first landed it after practicing it during my last few sessions. It's all about those reps until it becomes second nature. This breakdown is great.
It's awesome to see that even the greats can struggle at times too! Brandon your playing is great, really fun to watch.
The hi-hat pattern is actually straight 16th notes, opening on every third note. It ends up giving a similar feel to the pattern you're playing but may be a bit easier to learn. There's an explanation by D.C. in the February, 1997 edition of Modern Drummer.
This is so nasty for a groove. Thanks for sharing.
yo brandon hi its leo and max is at my house. Nice vid btw. so yea. bye
Danielle de Beer Hey Leo! Super fun lesson with you two today to end off the year! Very proud of how much you crazy guys have learned. Have a great holiday and I’ll see you next year!
@@BrandonScottDrums yea see you next year!!! bye!
The whole song is one of Tools best! Again great video! I recommend your content to my drum students, as they see the whole practicing and the effort that goes with it. Keep it up! Awesome channel!
Dirk Sommerfeld Man, this is so great to hear! I’m honored you share my vids with your students. Hopefully they come in handy! Love showing what real practice looks like and hopefully inspire your students to put in the work. Thanks for watching and sharing!
Brandon, sick lesson o the Danny Carry Tool groove. What real drummers like is to watch the struggles to put shit together. Do not change that, that is what sets you aside. Peace
What the HiHat is that?! It sounds good as fu... very good ;P
Nexus PL fr I came to the comments to find someone that talked about the hi-hat
What group of 7 is talking about in this video? Lowkey confused where the 7 is in the written music
Great video, as always!! You did so good this time that clone Brandon didn’t have to pop in to help! ;)
I’m going to practice that! Thanks for the video!
Outlaw Drums It’s definitely a mind melter! Good luck! Thanks for watching.
Kudos to you bro this is really hard! You're right the first measure is not too bad but as soon as you get to the second measure it's like whoa! Thanks for the lesson!
So glad that someone covered this drum beat. I’ve loved it since I was a wee lad
Hey brandon! I just wanna tell you that there is an interesting groove that you can practice. Its a 15/16 groove played by Justin tyson ( and yes, he's a shed type drummer in church background) in a song titled "Resting Warrior" by R+R=Now. You should do a lesson about it cause it sounds Epic!!! Pls read this comment!!!!!!!!
Rieky Samodra hey Rieky! Sweet man I will definitely check it out! Thanks for reaching out! Merry Christmas bro!!!! ✊🏼
I quit.
That first try was soo good already 🔥
I've only subbed to two drummers over many, many years: "Wardrums", and a guy named Andrew McAuley. Wardrums just does really cool covers, and Andrew is a low-key pro who has played with some of my heroes, and he releases tasty little soundbyte material every single day. But you sir, you have earned my sub out of sheer respect for how you make learning easy and fun, and you seem to have plenty of content. I don't think I've seen a single commenter left wanting something you aren't providing. I appreciate your approach, too - so many people just can't be bothered to break things down in a no-nonsense and no showboating type way, they're usually just like, "Here, do it like this" and then they pull off some mind-blowing patterns and never discuss the execution in much detail. But I like how you do things. Thank you, good sir.
Thank god I found someone on TH-cam that actually shows how they practice hard beats for the first time. You're as sloppy as me and considering how good you are, inspired me to be better and committed to practicing better.
works for me as a sloppy drummer too.
Gotta be like Danny...separate the body from the mind!
Why you doing this to me bruh... no i have to go practise😭😭🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️
Thanks brother
Great work. I find when trying new grooves to just play the notes phonetically as you've been doing, before getting serious about counting and tempo. I'm an old self taught player. Just getting the coordination to play this kind of groove drives the determination. Buggered if I'm ever gonna play these in a band.😂
I notice Brandon plays thumb-down on the stick when playing the high-hat, as opposed to palm-down as the default.
Hell yea i remember being blown away hearing dennis chambers play this beat! Real recognize real
Sick man, really really cool video
Thumbs up!
Where did you learn the beat from? Did you get sheet music? Did you learn it by ear? It looks like you're looking off to the side, like you're looking at sheet music. Anyways just want to know how you learned this.
I now make playlists based on the modern drummer podcast and articles, really helping me to dig stuff I don’t know
DavidBcg it’s a GREAT way to find new practice ideas. Love the different segments they feature each week. I get my weekly dose of drum nerd for sure haha
That was freaking sick dude, nice work!
dude, this world sucks while talented musicians like you play in cover bands
Very good.......You have great independence something I got to work on
Becz of u I tried n it was successful 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
I think groups of 5 are the hardest. Which one you think?
This is a great series. Loving these vids.
are we really gonna ignore how good those hi hats sound?
Where can I find the podcast it doesnt seem to be on youtube
What are the hi hats you are using in this video sick
I like the tattoo on your hand, and I want to have it too. But there is no picture.
is there any way to get the transcript, bro?
@ 5:34 I clapped and shouted excitedly for you!!! I'm pretty sure my neighbors heard xD
Bruh what he jump off of
Ohhhhhmeeeegeeeeeeewd. WHY. Is this. so. hard.
5,000th try. I’m almost kinda to the 2nd part.
haha man that was DOPE
Well that 'sgood then. Awesome stuff your doing. I'm really try to work on my fills and you KRL etc. ideas are great.
THAT WAS AWESOMENESS 👌👍😊 Loved it Brandon, well done!!!!
Excuse me, gotta go practice now 😈
Its so hard and funny brandon. Thank for your video. I think these will helpful for beginers like me. 🤗
hope you dont wreck yourself from not realising from from snare hit. Your pressing into snare, good sound but you cold hurt yourself in the long run.
Yeah, i did have some wrist issues during my time on ships. Ive been twaking my technique over the years but After 14 years of trial and error this way seems to be most comfortable for me and I get the sound I'm after. Haven't had any weird wrist pains for a while now!
that was dope
I know that intro song but I can't remember what it's called :|
Nice Job man!! Can you create a groove similar to that but yours?? Or do you think The 'Sound of Muzak " - porcupine tree it's easier??
Dude you have a awesome sounding snare drum...Tell us about it.
Top 40 grooves😁
I was actually rooting for you :D
Awesome concepts!
Nice video
Buguei :/
just subscribed ur channel yesterday and today I got a really great and fun lesson to work on. thank you man 🙏🏻
That was pretty dope. Watching you learn as you go is inspiring.
Mr.Big - Tempramental?
noice...
Muy bueno!!! Podrías compartir la partitura!!!!!
I don't think Tool plays to a click even now...
Amazing! look out for gain stages at you interface. At 6:49 and when you start with the 5's speacially it sounds saturated. Like gain distortion.
Besides that cool concept and amazing grooves!!
Nando Peyton Yeah I’ve been having trouble ducking the audio from my camera and my interface and finding proper levels because they are ALWAYS changing... I really need a Lav mic or some kind of proper vocal mic so I don’t have to adjust audio in post. Any suggestions?
@@BrandonScottDrums What's your setup?. do you use the same mic for the kit and the voice?
if that's the case the only solution is to write a script record drums and voices on different takes.
Sadly if it is saturated from the begginning there's no real solution. If you set the levels for the voice the drums sound saturated if you set levels for the drums the voice doesnt sound.
So yes buy more mics. or do separate takes.
To be honest i do love your approach to show the process of learning and the mistakes. So making separate takes, could take that away.
And i think that is kind of your thing by now. And is amazing, so if it was for me, i leave it like it is until you can buy better mics.
Thanks for the reply!! Much love from uruguay!
I record my drums with 6 mics into my Scarlett 18i20 interface and use my camera audio. In Premier I line up the two audio clips and just cut the camera audio when I’m playing drums.
@@BrandonScottDrums oh, well the thing is you have to set gain EVERYTIME. Other thing that can happen is: Summing up distortion from plugin to plugin, if you use effects, just eq, compression etc. ALWAYS mute everything and see if the output of a plugin matches the gain of the next plugin.
For Example is very common that people have lets say a eq, and then a compressor. They put both plugins and since the output of the compressor is set to less than 0, when you see the output of that channel you dont see it go red, BUT there's the chance that the eq output is saturating, so the compressor lifts up the volume of the channel (eq saturation included), but you dont get any notification on the faders.
What i woould do (and yes is a bit of work) is:
Making a template, having a folder channel (subgroup) for all the drums (to this channel you can put a tape, compression general eq.)
on the master output of the daw use only some kind of spectrogram plugin (like waves PAZ analyzer).
set all channel gains and put all the plugins you usually use.
NOW EVERYTIME you are going to record, you WILL have to set gain, but since you have a template with practice this will only take you five minutes.
Check not only for the gain of every channel but for the gain from the output of one plugin to the other.
And use the analyzer to help you with the EQ so you can see the spread of frequencies by channel.
Sorry for the long answer.
Nando Peyton DANG! You seem to know your audio stuff. Honestly I record directly into GarageBand. I do a bit of EQ and compression and that’s about it! I don’t even have proper studio monitors to mix this stuff. I always try to set the gain so it’s not peaking but sometimes it’s tough to tell. I’m no audiophile but I should really get deeper into this stuff. It kind of goes hand in hand with what I do. 😂 Thanks a ton for the advice! I appreciate the long answer and your time!!!
Ooohhh, I like that groove! Imma try it out as soon as I get behind my kit.
Great stuff, Brandon!
Really nice work! I loved the 5s with the stack 🤗
Well, what takes you a few tries to get down, will take me months or years.
You're picking up grooves like a vacuum
Ur funny bro 🤣🤣 u play cool by the way 😍😘😘😘
Hey. I'll be 40 in may. I'm a drum teacher as well. Salute to you man. you have to be my number one drummer on TH-cam. And I am a big fan of all type of drummers Dave weckyl Steve gadd Dom famularo and so on. I like the fresh take and the way you break things down and go through it. Keep up the good work
Man thank you so much! I try to keep it light and interesting so it’s great to hear that confirmation every now and then. I appreciate you!! 🙏🏼
@@BrandonScottDrums right on man
Dude that was awesome. Well done.
Yess! I’ve always loved this groove!
Yes!! This drum groove is sick
Hey Brandon, I'm trying to get more into these types of drum beats but I dont feel like it's a good idea to start with something crazy like groupings of 7 like that. What do you suggest to practice first? (I started as a rock drummer, transitioned more into blues, then a mix of psychedelic and jazz and now im trying to get into this type of playing. idk what to call it... funky? gospel-y? hip-hop-ish?) I have pretty much always avoided this because I didnt think I'd need it as a rock drummer (and frankly it scares me) but I need to make a step in a new direction. Also just to get a new style under my belt and become more rounded.
Ruben Spoolder Hey Ruben! Hmmm, have you tried using rudiments in your grooves? Most rudiments are basically mixing singles and doubles. Ever try playing a 16th note paradiddle between the ride (RH) and the hats (LH) and accent the 2 and 4 with the snare? That’s a good intro into mixing singles and doubles while in a groove. If you want more polyrhythmic type grooves than maybe try using 3’s instead of 7’s! 3 is an easy number to work with and repeats after only 3 beats/bars. Check out what a 3 over 4 polyrhythm sounds like and start there! I’m sure there are videos all over TH-cam that will show that. Understanding polyrhythms has helped me SO much recently and it plays a big role in hearing different phrases. Hope this helps man!
@@BrandonScottDrums thanks for the tips man. Nowadays in the band im in im trying to use a lot of syncopated beats and fills, we play odd time and im trying to fit in more and more ghost notes. For both practice, dynamics and fun and im getting good at it. The stuff that im trying to venture into now is like faster versions of BP halftime shuffle and things thomas pridgen would play. I remember one of the first videos i saw on your channel was the studio tour you did years ago. And in that you showed your meinl 16" extra dry sand hats or something, and the beat you played to show those off absolutely blew my mind! And i guess that type of fast ghost note filled playing is what i want to get deeper in to.
@@williamperri3437 who would have thought the key to all the "hip" Instagram drum solos with shedding and blazing fast rudiments would lay in the oldschool stuff. I do notice that i havr been attracted to james brown type beats the last couple months and i can tell its affecting the part that i come up with for my band.
Since a week or 3 ago i started listening to kind of blue to expand my jazz vocab and thats helpful too.
Thanks for the help man
@@williamperri3437 hahaha thats dope
Bill Perri You make great suggestions, but i dont know how this stuff is supposed to help him play like Pridgen. All the gospel chops guys (and pridgen in particular) studied the „new breed“ books like crazy, which is what i also would recommend asap. Especially for independence.
Wow, that was amazing!!!!!
W-I-C-K-E-D. Good stuff!
*Niiiiiiiiiccccee*
This was sick as hell!!!
Strong lesson Star
This is solid af
Sick affffffff
love this
This is a really cool groove, but I’ve listened to the song and that isn’t what Danny is doing. Hi-hat isn’t that busy
He doesn’t play this groove for the whole song, only for a short section around 6:35. I feel like you can definitely hear the busy hihat during this section. Check it out again maybe? If not, let me know what he’s really playing!
Brandon Scott I just hear the open hats on the 3-e (and-a-4-e-and-a). Listened to several versions. Still cool, what you’re doing.
@@RockyTop85 Check the live version. He's definitely playing all notes of the 3/16
Nice! Love Tool :-) Danny Carey is amazing, both him and Maynard blew my mind when I heard them playing live back in 2006! Just how much rhythmical control they have was even more obvious in a live setting :-) Cool practicing idea, I like how you root your practicing in real life music and grooves, it makes it so much more musical and inspiring to practice, not just a concept, but a concept applied to real music, and you end up with three kick ass grooves ;-)
That seven is really groovy